Everything about the 1.5L Ecoboost ruclips.net/video/cdg0czlZJ74/видео.html New Block Design Explained ruclips.net/video/xIDtbHIZ5iA/видео.html Normal Ecoboost Engine Sounds ruclips.net/video/2-GaaOD7VYo/видео.html Here is how to diagnose them ruclips.net/video/W5Q2HcZNg24/видео.html
I have almost 300k on my 13 2.0 ecoboost mkz i personality use mobil 1 fluids and I either use mobil, chevron or shell gas in 91 octane and just out of curiosity what do you recommend using on these newer Fords ?
I was so glad to see you actually commented on Scotty's video...shows you aren't afraid to put yourself out there to support facts and truth. Thank you for putting out the message you do. It's refreshing to see...please keep up the awesome work!
I get it, you back and believe in the product. However, ford should set the cam buckets so it doesnt sound like a bag of change from factory. Also, 60,000 miles and coolant intrusion is unacceptable. I dont know if they have revised anything to deal with the issue or if they are just throwing new (defective) short blocks into them. I wont own a direct injection car or electric steering. 1.5 gms even need a vacuum pump to assist with power brakes. My 400,000 mile yota has won my dedication and ill pay the extra money they go for.
BTW, that whole section on driving uphill reminded me of my high school auto teacher who said a hill will tell you everything you need to know about the health of the engine and transmission. If you can open it up and back it off while going up the hill and everything stays smooth that's a tight package. If it misses, shudders, surges or fades you've identified area of major concern ... I've noticed this is a pretty solid test with reliable results ...
This was a great video. I normally don’t like videos where somebody just goes on and talks and talks and talks. I have to say, your discourse is very content rich and not boring at all. I feel like I’ve learned a lot about Fords and understand a bit better the diagnosis process. I am an aerospace professional and approach problems very much the same way you do, which is probably why I appreciate your contact. Thanks for posting this!
I went to a transmission shop for a fluid change and they did a transmission flush with the wrong fluid and the wrong amount of fluid. There was a lot of shudder when the lockup clutch engaged. I went to that shop because they were supposed to know what they were doing, but clearly they are not. I had to figure it out myself, I drained the transmission and put the right fluid and the right amount of fluid, that alone fixed the problem. No more shudder at all. It's unbelievable how many amateurs are out there claiming they are specialists. The flush wasn't cheap and they almost screwed up my transmission. At the end, I had to do it myself. I should have done it in the first place. Lesson learned.
I'd rather hear this kind of information from a dealer tech, who knows this engine well, and has worked on many, you are my Ford source of information.
This information is all well and good and I do appreciate it as I've learned a lot however it doesn't help those that are out of warranty, still 10 grand in the hole for a car with a blown head gasket, back pressure in the coolant system and no other vehicle to get to work and back for 2 or 3 months if by some miracle they did have a spare £5000 to replace the short block.
I kept a 5.4 3v serviced for a company I worked for. Yes, the spark plugs could be a problem. Only thing I did to it besides oil and filters was to repair some broken exhaust manifold studs. Had 265k on it when I last saw it and ran well. Using very little oil between changes.
Very nice way you put this video together. Getting first hand info from someone on the ground that's doing the job is priceless. For me, DI, low tension piston rings, poor block design, and turbo's are just a combination for maximum failure. Reminds of another old saying, "There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it right the second time". Lastly, buying the cheapest priced fuel you can find is really asking for problems. Pick a "Top Tier" station, and use it exclusively. You will save money in the long run.
you truly are a professional the way you handle this response video hats off to ya ive learned alot listening to your videos and look forward to learning more
Comment about "good enough" vs " getting it right on a gnat's arse". When Lindbergh had the engine built up for his cross Atlantic flight, a young mechanic assembled the engine right to spec, clearances, etc. The engine's oil tank carried 30 gallons of oil but he used a fraction of that amount because of unexpected low consumption. Also, when he landed in Paris, he still had 8 hours of fuel left in the tanks.
Scotty was a "Chevy Hater", but after he drove a Chevy Spark he no longer HATES Chevys. He couldn't stop raving about how GREAT that Spark was. Go figure!
He also says Hondas are OK. He does call out the problems on those vehicles like oil dilution on 1.5Ts, but wouldn't you say that, on average, the Civic Si (especially the old 2.4L) and Civic Type R (even with gear grinds) were more reliable than the equivalent Focus ST or Focus RS respectively?
I do agree that smaller displacement engines that are turbo charged won't last long. The fact you are doing these engine rebuilds on these cars already is very sad. Thanks for your information.
Many of these turbo engines are using an open deck design. An aluminum block with iron cylinder sleeves is fine if the power and torque is low just to make an economy engine, but still, they should overbuild the little things internally to an extent. People pay too much money for cars nowadays for an engine to blow below 75k miles.
I prefer a nice smooth running 4.9 liter SOHC V8 with mild turbocharging, 70 PSI Bosch port fuel injection, sliding cam variable valve lift, CGI iron block and heads, and precision machined deck and head matching instead of head gaskets. It would sound like a crown Victoria but, with a small amount of turbo sound and more gear shifts.
I personally own a 2017 Ford Escape with a 1.5L engine. I don’t want to say I made a bad purchase because it’s done now. But I’m trying to maintain it the best I can. Drive it good replace trans fluid every 30,000 miles, oil 5-10,000 miles. I just want to know the best stuff I can do to not have costly repairs in the future
I just traded in a 2018 Fusion SE with the 1.5. Short block replaced at 15k for coolant intrusion issue. I wouldn't go anymore than 4k miles on the oil before changing it. From my experience and that of that of others the 1.5 is just a dirty sloppy engine. I could change the oil and within 300 miles it was black again. My other cars would take around 1k miles for it to be that color. Also the tail pipe would just be soot black within a week (sometimes less) of cleaning and polishing it. Again my other cars with chrome tipped exhaust would take months for that. The other issue that crept up prompting me to expedite it's trade in, was at 2/3 or more throttle it would puff out this huge cloud of blue smoke from exhaust when it changed gears at 2/3 or more throttle, but only 2/3+. Regular driving I never noticed it, so if it did it was very slight. Ford Boss Me here did a video on a short block replacement of a 1.5 from an Escape with 30k miles I think. Said the woman had the car brought in for oil change exactly 5k miles each time and he showed how even with a 5k mile oil change, there was so much buildup on the piston rings cause the 1.5 is such a dirty engine.
FANTASTIC job on educating us about the technical diagnostic equipment. I would not have thought of the torque converter or transmission being a cause of such an issue (I know when I don't know, unlike Scotty). This has been VERY enlightening. Thank you for taking the time and making such an elaborate video about the subject.
@@FordBossMe Yup will be interesting to see if Scotty can as humble as you. You did a great video on showing even Scotty can be corrected for coming to early conclusions where more in depth diagnostics could have been useful before jumping to conclusions.
Awesome, I can understand as complicated as these engines are the more sensitive they become to things like poor gas and how it can have a domino effect on other things. Thank you.😁😁👍👍
Ford Boss, I have been following you for years, thank you for the education. I have a 2017 escape 1.5L with 211k miles as of this morning. I change the engine oil and filter every 3k miles and transmission fluid every 30K, timing belt and water pump every 100k. It has been a great car and never left me stranded. The interior still looks new, for me. it has been a great car but I think that may be attributed to maintenance. Thank you for all the advice!
What an awesome video. I love how you don’t pretend the engines are perfect but you cut through the hyperbole and give people information they can actually use.
French dude here. Interesting video ! If I'm right we probably have those engines in France too, because the ford "Kuga" sold here is a ford escape AFAIK. I think the disagreement with old scooty is probably also a "generation" issue. Let's face it, we can try it hard, but no one is perfectly objective, everyone has his own experience. And Scotty, regardless of his respectable experience as a mechanic and caring about customers, he can't be always right. So it's nice to have other people opinion. However, no need to be a mechanic to know "Murphy's law" (even of it's not really what it says) to guess the more complex a machine is, the more chances stuff can break down. However it's not a universal rule. A simple machine poorly made can be less reliable than a complex machine greatly made. But the latter might be more complex and expensive to fix.. However, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this !
Thanks a ton for this! I’ve watched a few of Scotty’s vids, but I would always search through other resources prior to following his recommendations. Nothing beats years of hands on experience, so I appreciate you dissecting his heavily-edited content! Sadly, I do have a 1.5 Eco boost. Not even 130,000 miles (w/ warranty) and I’ve already had the transmission replaced (not even a year into ownership) AND its about to return to the dealer for coolant seeping into the 1st cylinder. Just like with many companies, they’re rushing to produce SOMETHING instead of taking their time to present us good quality. As much as I’ve always been a Ford gal, I’m considering retiring 🥺
A very interesting video. I recently sold my 2018 F150 with a 2.7 and I really liked the truck. It only had 15,000 KM on it and my reason for selling it was because I no longer needed a truck and used truck prices are high. I agree with you on the radiator louvers. I live in Canada and they make a noticeable difference in the warmup time on very cold days. When it is extremely cold in the winter some drivers will use something to block the grille (either cardboard on an old vehicle or a custom grille cover on a nicer vehicle). I recently retired but when I was young my father and I ran an autobody repair business. I remember looking at a Renault that was only a few years old and I noticed that it had radiator louvers as well. That was over 40 years ago! The implementation was a simple, all manual system. There was a lever under the dash that could be pulled to open and close the louvers. Thanks for the video.
Respect both Rich and Scotty. I know nothing about engines except that I expect automotive engineers to design and manufacturers to build reliable engines. I'm shocked at the number of problems experienced on these low mileage 4 year old engines. I was very interested in purchasing a 2022 ford maverick with the 2L EcoBoost.... Based upon research and these videos, I'll likely be forced to pass. What a shame as I do like bother the maverick and the ranger. I currently own a 2009 toyota and 2011 honda and their reliability has been phenominal.
I had Ford buy back my 2014 Escape with the 1.6 liter engine. Coolant loss, and god awful timing belt noise at 13k miles. Ended up with a 2.0 ecoboost escape that was decent. Traded it for a new F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost. At 78k miles I had the one of the turbos replaced, the water pump went out, had to have the plugs and coils replaced, etc. Got rid of it before it finally came apart. Ecoboost engines just aren’t as reliable as other Ford engines, especially the 4 cylinder ones.
Hey, Jesse! I have a 2017 Titanium AWD 2.0 Escape. Bought it with 21,000. 9,000 miles later. Engine light came on. Water Intrusion in #2 cylinder. Long block replacement in 4 weeks. Today is 9 29 2021. I am dumping this Escape right after installation. Before anything else happens. Buying a Toyota Rav4 if I can find one. I was a Ford fan before not anymore. Ford has put me through a Huge ordeal. My Dealership got sold on Oct the 1st. Now. When they get stuck putting in the installation. Will it get put in correctly. Just want this ordeal over. Ford owes me Big time. I have 3 warranty's. But what if I didn't! $8800.00 dollars. They didn't even have a recall for the people who's warranty's ran out. Ford never again! The new Bronco or New F-150 electric model. Thanks for your input. It help alot of people. Shawn.
Hmm that’s odd I have a 2013 2.0 eco boost mkz with 298,345 miles on it I drive 114 miles just to go to work and back during the summer it gets up to 120 degrees and is always very dusty I follow what the owners manual says for severe driving condition and maintenance interval and I use mobil 1 fluids for everything People need to start treating these engines like high stress little motors like they are.
@@stevennunez6013 298,345 highway miles is the equivalent to 29,000 city miles. These ecoboost (eco bombs) give up the ghost for mixed driving, and short distance use. If you tow with them, expect turbo issues, and timing chain problems on the pickup trucks.
@@jessieharbinjr.6589 I used to drive from anthem Arizona to flagstaff Arizona 5 days a week so I drive up hill along with elevation changes it gets 120 degrees in the summer here where I live my mkz without me in it weighs 4156 lbs not exactly high way miles for the first 5 years of owning the mkz now I drive from north Phoenix to San tan az so the car spends a lot of time in stop and go traffic on my daily commute
I was told to touch the brake during shudder, if the shudder goes away, its the torque converter. That works for sure for the panther cars. Shudder is caused by the PWM pulsing of the converter. Either spend fluid or bad TCC clutch.
Don’t care for Scotty at all, but the bottom line is the engines are kinda crappy unfortunately. I own multiple older fords and it pains me to say this but I wouldn’t buy a newer one, not that GM or Chrysler are doing any better. Good vid keep em coming.
Different model year perhaps....2014 Fusion, 1 5L. 200k miles. 130 miles per day, 100 highway with cruise control. Threw the codes...yup, coolant in cylinders. EXCELLENT channel sir.
Hi Rich . you are 1000% correct when you say it is not about gloating , such a great statement ! A seasoned Tech or even Scotty can have the best scan tool with the most recent software but if they don't know how to use it or how to read the data being displayed that scan tool may as well be an etch a sketch in their hands . I heard a Tech from another shop that was having an ongoing issue with a vehicle say he was using an 18,000 dollar Snap-On scan tool and should had been able to repair this vehicle by now . I quickly replied back .. it's a scan tool NOT a crystal ball regardless the price !! Watching Scotty use that scan tool reminded me of a gentleman i worked with years ago doing alignments . He didn't have the knowledge to read the alignment screen and know how the vehicle would preform on the road but as long as the 3 boxes on the left and the 3 boxes on the right were green with check marks he felt he did his job . The sad thing about Scotty Kilmer is that he puts these videos out with bad information or misinformation and his viewers end up looking like idiots repeating what he says . Have a GREAT day in the shop Rick ! Thanks for the info !!
Still very relevant even 2yrs on. Bought a 2017 Ford Escape 2.0T Ecoboost and learning a lot. Had it now for 3 weeks and engine light came on but gone again, running really well still. However, booked in at the Local Ford dealer for check anyway. Be Blessed mate!
I like how you kept it respectful, I’ve seen that at work where time is money, they say never trouble shoot with anecdote, then they use anecdote. Even the senior guys. Very informative.
Thank God you found the problem. But no engine should never last less than 200,000. We are heaving the same problem. With mom's dodge dealer. Her keep patrite won't tho codes. I've been thanking it's the transmission.
Very good video. I liked how you didn’t attack Scotty Kilmer. You spoke form your experience and provided actual video proof backing up your explanation. I really liked that you looked for the real cause of the issue of the shutter and showing it was a transmission issue. Keep up the great work. Be blessed.
I lost faith in Scotty when he made the video titled “you should never use this type of oil filter” and it was the canister style filter……..if a car had that wtf else am I supposed to use
Scotty has to make sensational content to keep his followers going. I once heard a biology professor say "Welcome to the world of complex systems!". This is certainly true for modern cars and it needs a specialist to unpack it.
I liked most of what Scotty was doing, but I had to unsubscribe from his RUclips channel because I disliked his sensationalistic clickbait video titles.
I have a 13 Fusion with the 1.5 liter. Got 96 k on it. Never had any problems with it. I change oil and empty the catch can every 3k. Been a decent car for my daughter at college.
It's interesting I can see how a torque converter could act like or seem like a misfire. Your diagnostic tools help a ton... I wish I could get some .. while a simple OBD2 diagnostic tool can help but only to a certain extent.. I had a low voltage misfire due to bad coil packs no check engine light. But couldn't be found with the OBD2 plug and play.. my torque converter is failing and acted just like a misfire tricky stuff.. but having a idea of what to look for helps knowing the vehicle helps too. Proper tools and knowledge help with any repairs. And since I don't have the knowledge to mess with transmissions.. I'm bowing out on the repairs myself and having someone with proper experience take care of it. Your video is a great example of proper diagnostic vs jumping to conclusions.. keep up the awesome job,
@@FordBossMe hey I have a question . You mentioned a fuel check for Quality . You also mentioned knock sensors. Would you also get a lean code for fuel too? I know you mentioned other issues because of bad Fuel I suppose I'm curious if it would throw a code for lean issues because of that. I don't remember you mentioning it . If you did I apologize
@@chrisburrell8489 If you have a bi-directional scanner or FORDSCAN to run off your laptop you can do the tests. He said, "You have to go into a Data Logger and then command your fuel pump on while you have one of the fuel lines off up in the engine and take a sample that way." Honestly if you go to a reputable gas seller like Costco or Chevon it's unnecessary. I was worried because I went to this no-brand gas station in the middle of nowhere with cheap gas because I was low. Turns out it was low quality, but still within okay margins.
A lot of these "problems" occur because their owners realize that these are "disposable vehicles"and treat them accordingly by abusing them with lack of maintenance and just generally driving them into the ground. Any vehicle WILL last if it is RELIGIOUSLY maintained and driven carefully. I own a 2015 Escape with the 1.6L ECO-Boost, vehicle currently has 81,000miles on the clock, with ABSOLUTELY NO issues what so ever! I change MY OWN oil once a year, Whether I drive 4K miles or 1K miles, use Penzoil "ultra-platinum" (lowest "volatility" oil on the market.....keeps intakes cleaner), pre-fill oil filter during changes, also, run a FULL qt of NEW oil through to help get as much dirty oil out of the pan as possible. After, starting the engine (hot or cold), I take it real easy for the first couple miles before going at highway speeds and letting the engine idle a couple minutes after high speed running. I am CERTAIN that what I AM doing is keeping this engine trouble free. There are NO coolant leaks or oil leaks..............OR maybe because the vehicle was built on a Wednesday. With domestic automobiles, middle of the week is a safer bet!
With respect, the 2014 Escape my 'other' just got used was 'fine' at 88k... and at 91k it started gulping coolant. My guess is that the head gasket is toasted, and a quick look around the internet tells me that this is very common, due to a design flaw in the head (coolant grooves between cylinders result in a fail point). I see your post is a year old... maybe you have been fortunate. Us, not so much. Thousands of others, not so much. The idea of a 'disposable' vehicle is fine, if the Ford dealers themselves actually dispose of them instead of reselling them to people who didn't search the Internet to find out why it's a POS. I feel badly for the techs like this guy, who end up making long videos about how the half million problems known to be associated with a particular design really aren't that bad, weren't diagnosed properly, etc. In my now admittedly not so unbiased view, you buy one of these, you better buy a mechanic to go with it...
I hadn’t seen Scotty’s video on this. My son has a 2019 Fusion with a turbo motor, can’t remember what size other than it’s not the high performance version. Last year had the same coolant intrusion problem. Ford said that they’d replace the short block as a recall or something. Service advisor said that it was a wide spread issue. It didn’t take more than a week to get it running again. Nevertheless a used Ford with one one of those EcoBoost will not be on my used car buyers list. The motor is still loud and I wondered if it it was just normal. I like how you discussed how you rebuilt the motor to quiet it down. Reminds me of a guy back in the 80s with an early 80s Ford pickup with a 302. He said that it kept burning oil long after it should have broke in. Dealership did everything they could but didn’t help. He finally pulled the motor, rebuilt it to factory specs - basically blue printed - no high performance parts. It stopped burning oil and ran a whole lot better that it did when the factory had slapped it together. Made better power too.
I have a 2015 GMC Sierra that I recently took to the dealer for some service work. I spoke to the actual mechanic who was working on my truck. He said what you said about fuel quality. He said that I had fuel with 18% alcohol level. He also advised me to run some Chevron Techron through the system and run some mid grade or higher gasoline in it for a while. Now the gov't will push for 15% ethanol level which will make fuel economy worst.
I have a 2013 Ford Focus 2.0L N/A "Flex Fuel " vehicle. I can run E85 (85% ethanol), which I do quite often. My local "filling station" (Kwik Trip) had it for $2.75/gal a month ago, now it's a WHOPPING $3.19/gal. The mileage reduction, worst case, is about 15%, but at the cheaper price , you do come out ahead. The downside is less range on a full tank, my range drops from 450miles to just under 400miles per tankful. The upside is: E85 is equivalent to 105 octane (racing gas), which REALLY makes that Focus scoot because the ECM allows ignition timing to run at full factory spec. But, you're supposed to run "regular gas through it once in a while.
4:04 That explains a lot of things, because some dealers love to cut corners and costs and won't do the repairs as stated on both TSB and Ford PTS (used to be a Ford employee some years ago). I got a 2.0 EcoBoost replaced on my 2018 Escape (funny enough, it lasted near 57k km/ 30k mi, it was built in Germany, and the engine was the european spec, but got an american spec engine instead... which makes me think that also Kugas and Mondeos in Europe are affected as well, which also makes me think that this issue is world-wide and not specific to any market or region). The issue is that I'm getting extremely poor mileage. When it was new, it was getting well over 10km/l (23 mpg) in mostly city driving, and managed to do over 24 km/l (50 mpg) on a highway, barely over sea level, on a warm day. Then, after some time, the fun began... shaking and doing all sorts of weird stuff, and it went to the dealership for 2 months (these idiots even scratched badly the hood of the thing, and didn't want to paint it because it was expensive for them and I left the car for too long with them, when the issue was clearly that these replacement blocks are all on back order... they even took 3 weeks to polish the thing... thanks Ford Picacho in Mexico City for the poor job). Funny enough, I had a chance to look at the engine they took out and the piston head on cyl #3 was clearly cracked (wtf#1), but the other piston heads were alright. Now the thing does less than 8.5 km/l (20 mpg) on a highway, and on the city it gets very bad, even reaching 5 km/l (11.7 mpg - wtf#2). I took it back and they mentioned that this is normal (wtf #3), and it should fix itself over time (wtf #4). They even left me a precious gift of electrical problems, the cowl cover broken, the wipers out of sync, and the audio stopped sounding like an OEM Sony 9 speaker sytem, but some cheap radio from some old public transportation bus (WTF #5). I'm planning to get rid of the thing, as I don't trust this new engine nor the electrical system of the car, as they mentioned that I had already signed that I have accepted the work done on the thing, and the extended warranty won't cover the diagnosis of such delicate repair (wtf#6,7,8...). I feel I got scammed. I also own a 1992 Ford Tempo, 2-door, 2.3L 5-speed manual... I haven't taken the engine apart on the thing after 30 years daily driving it (even when I was driving like a maniac, I always did way more than 14.9 km/l/35 mpg). Guess Ford won't make great cars again, but POSs made to scam customers, just like the other PCM and battery issues of the fugly Mach-E... or that's the impression I've got as an ex-employee. I'll trade the Escape in for an early 2000s 5.4 2v Expedition or Navigator. At least, there is an extremely large number of E-series, F-series and SUVs using this engine out there, and do way better in fuel consumption than this Escape... not to mention, they can easily be converted to use LP Gas or CNG as well and same some bucks on the long run. :(
I’m surprised that Ford have had so many issues with small capacity engines considering they’ve been selling them successfully in Europe for decades. Even the French build small capacity gas/diesel turbo injection engines that last 200,000 kilometres.
@@earlscheib7754 That’s very true, but the video was talking about eco boost engines needing short and long block replacement at half that distance and less than two years old. My 2008 Renault 1.5L turbo diesel has 182,000 kilometres on the clock and the only engine parts requiring replacement were the timing belt, water pump/accessory belt and the water pump. My point remains that Ford has made such small capacity engines for the European market for decades and they haven’t needed new short blocks at 60,000 miles.
Actually Ford has had quite a few issues with their ecoboost engines in Europe. Especially their 1.0 liter 3 cyl. I have the 1.5 in my 2018 Escape. Coolant intrusion at around 30k. Replaced block. No issues since, now at 80k(knock on wood🤣)
@@FordBossMe It makes a huge difference. Sensationalism might get views but detailed analysis, explanation in plain English, showing not telling, yeah that's fantastic. And using real world smarts to diagnose problems rather than just using the computer... 👍 Thank you again.
All the fanciest tools in the world doesn't beat life experiences. The tool gives you a direction, a starting point, not easy shotgun solution that some believe they do. It takes education and experience combined with tool feedback and the though grasp of how the system operates to make the right call.
I’m a big Scotty fan but no one is perfect and anyone that blindly listens to anything one person says will be disappointed at least occasionally. Now I have two highly qualified people whose opinions I can listen to for free. SUBSCRIBED!
I find a lot of the stuff that Scotty says on the older vehicles really good but when he talks about the newer vehicles and the new technology most of the time he's way off and it's not even close to being correct
Kilmer is one of those youtoobers who designs his borderline dishonest content around fabricated drama and unrealistic hysterics. He’s the YouToob automotive equivalent of a tabloid.
Im gonna say this: I have threatened to never speak to people again after they referenced a video from Scotty. As far as timing belts go, I have a little more freedom with this. If I take the belt off, they are paying for a new one. If not, go somewhere else. The price of a timing belt as a part, doing a repair that requires removal, thus no extra labor, is very cheap insurance. My average car repair with a belt removal is going to be an 05-2010 3.5 dodge charger, say a water pump replacement. The belt is 50 bucks tops. That belt being replaced could prevent a lawsuit. I feel more confident in my work, and my customers save some money in the future. 50 bucks now or 600 in 30k miles for example. To most working class people, its an easy decision. Now, some cars have directional timing belts. If whatever car you're working on doesn't, and you don't mark rotation direction, what happens to an aging belt that just changed direction? I'd guess teeth being torn off. Not willing to flip one and find out for sure. That's my 2 cents.
If you ever have a reason to not be here all I ask is that you just don't show up and don't tell me because there's no reason for you to not show up because of a video I reference and if I am referencing a video it's important
@@FordBossMe I've said it before and I'll say it again. Anyone that says use laundry detergent on a catalytic converter is so far from sanity it ain't funny. I might be overly cautious on the timing belt thing though. Also, you and me aren't publishing farewell videos twice a week.
@@FordBossMe part 2, to be clear: I have had people show me Scott's cat video and ask me to put lacquer thinner in their gas tank. Well, being 22 and stupid, I tried to limp my way to the gas station running on thinner. I had to choke the car to death with a rag cause it kept running with the ignition off. This was a carburetor points car. Its only going to cause many more problems on an obdii car. After that nugget of nonsense, yeah, Scotty and his videos are kryptonite.
I totally agree with you on the belt. Mileage isn't the only factor in them. Contamination is HUGE! Oil and coolant kills the life of a belt once it comes into contact with them. Like you said (and I do to) you are already there, it's a couple bucks in parts only, saves 100 headaches and a customer that will tell 100 people what a hack you are if it fails because they didn't want to spend the extra money.
@@FordBossMe - I think you might’ve misunderstood what McGee meant? Sounded to me like McGee meant customers or people who use Kilmer’s videos as a knowledgeable source and use them for suggesting things to McGee…..which you absolutely do not. Maybe I misunderstood, doesn’t matter. Kilmer is a clown. You aren’t.
We have these at work - Junk Evap problems on about 1/2 of the fleet. After warranty expires it runs $1k - $3k depending on how much they change. Also cracked flywheels and some transmission “ears” that break a bunch and cause vibration.
Back in the early 2000’s I argued that small, stressed, forced-induction engines weren’t the way to go for ordinary cars and trucks. That’s why they weren’t in widespread use back then. They still should not be in widespread use.
It depends on the region. Overhere in Europe a lot of cars and I really mean a lot have small downsized engines. Basic VW Golf has either a 999cc 3 cilinder of a 1.5 4 cilinder. Ford mostly has 3 cilinder gasoline engines in the Focus mk4. They are either 1 L or 1.5 L. The 1L is available up to 155bhp as a mHEV. The only 4 cilinder engines in the current Focus are the diesels and ofcourse the ST. The same goes for most other manufacturers.
@@meeder78 yes, Europe has always been different. In the hands of American drivers on American soil those cars would probably also be regarded as weak and troublesome.
@@meeder78 You fella's over there (and Australia) have some pretty odd government regulations, taxes & restrictions when it comes to engines, and engine sizing. That's why all the "go fast" stuff for I6's and 4 bangers comes from your side of the pond. Here if we want more, we just go big block V8 and call it day.
Thankyou Rich for diagnostic. Exactly what my 2016 for exploder 2.3 ecoboost is doing. I've replaced all plugs, coils, turbo(bushing gone, oil in intake), solenoid stretegy for reverse gear, and transmission fluid. Looks bad, very dirty trans fluid. Waited way too long 100k.
I had a 2018 Escape, 1.5L and no way he was averaging 30 in the hills. I got 29mpg once on flat ground averaging 60-65mph. I traded it because of this car crisis and got $22,000 before the coolant became an issue. It had 20,500 miles and the coolant was below the low line in the tank. Plot twist. My new neighbor who just moved into town bought it from the dealer. Lol
We had the same with our 1.5 Ecoboost. Coolant was low and all the dealership would do was top off the coolant level and send us on our way. We ended up selling the car which was a bit sad since it was a great car to drive and the engine still ran great although thirsty.
Love listening to you analyze this stuff. Scotty gets too fired up for my tastes and then goes off the reservation with his engineering generalities. I believe that calm and thoughtful is the way to go working on these newer drivetrains. We kept our 2014 Fusion with 1.5 ecoboost for 7 years and had no issues from it Now we're driving a 2020 Edge and 22 Maverick with the 2.0 ecoboosts. 17k and 1.4k miles on them respectively so far. Both run flawlessly.
Scotty is OK with older stuff but not very bright with thos newer stuff And if you notice he's a flip flopper and contradiction is huge with him, he's also very money driven with the stuff he pushes I just get annoyed by him
It’s hot in Texas and for the first time I saw smoke coming out the exhaust and I didn’t think anything of it until later . My car pulls back on it’s on without my foot being on the gas. So much more I can’t afford to be without the car so I don’t get it fixed idk what to do . Thank you for your videos though .
EXCELLENT video. You responded in a factual, non-offensive, non-malicious manner. I myself, have done HUNDREDS of these 1.5 short blocks now, including on that's in my bay right now, to be up and running tomorrow. Having done that many of these, it's inevitable to have some "issues" either immediately or shortly after repair. What's most important at the end of the day, is correcting it for the customer. I am curious though, as to why Ford will replace a long block on a 2.0L for this very concern, but only a short block if it's a 1.5L. Why not just make it a long block for both? If cost is the reason, well I can't say that Ford doesn't have some control over the pricing of the parts to some degree. Back in the day, cam sensors for 7.3 diesels were an astronomical price of $300. Fast forward to 2007 when recall 07S57 was issued, cam sensors conveniently dropped in price to only $18?
I'm glad that Ford USA is doing a responsible job with replacing these engines. Ford Europe is sadly still in complete denial of the issues that could arise with these engines.
@@meeder78 Ford Australia learned the hard way about good customer support. Their handling of the powershift transmission debacle led to a class action lawsuit. which led to an investigation by the ACCC and then subsequently getting sued by the said ACCC. They now provide an unlimited KM 10 year warranty on those transmissions now. But the damage was already done. Ford's Australian manufacturing ceased the same year that they stopped putting that transmission in their cars. Without the admittedly, aging Falcon and Territory to boost their declining sales figures. The downward spiral of cost cutting was going to happen. They are now at a point where they only sell 3 SUV models, 1 car, and 4 performance vehicles. In total across all of those, they have barely managed to sell 5000 units over the whole year. Ranger is the only vehicle that sells here and sold just under 4000 in the month of August. If Ford's commercial vehicle sales start to collapse. They will end up like Holden. Gone.
I just got a 2023 for a company car. So not my pick. I have a fuel card so I’m going to run 93 octane only. Hopefully that helps keep it running smooth.
I think I posted something similar on another video. I was considering downsizing from my Honda minivan with the venerable 3.5L V6 VTEC to a new Ford Maverick with the 2.0L EcoBoost. The kids are bigger and we don't need all the room, the bed would have plenty of space to put luggage into. I'm just used to Toyota and Honda engines that go for 200k miles and beyond with no work needed aside from the timing belt kit every 100k miles on the Hondas. My Odyssey has 176k on the original engine and transmission. I also need a tow hitch and there's so much underbody rust on the Odyssey that I can't get a hitch on there, I know most Mavericks come with the 4k tow package. But I dunno. An engine shouldn't have to be rebuilt at ~70k miles. I take care of my cars and I do all the maintenance myself, I even use 0W-20 for the winter months on cars that normally take 5W-20 like my Odyssey. I could wait another year to see how the Mavericks do.
Personally, I think the 1.5 EB should only be in a small car like the fiesta or focus. Excape needs the 2.5 four liter or 2.0EB. nothing wrong with the 1.5 just a bit underpowered for a crossover like that
I've watched Scotty for years and saw the video in question. I appreciate seeing a different take on this engine. I had a 2016 Ford Escape SE with the 1.5L. The transmission would slam into gears while climbing any incline trying to find a gear. When taking off from a stop, the engine would rev and the transmission would hesitate. I now have a 2019 Escape Titanium with the 2.0L with zero issues. That 1.5 seemed very underpowered.
You know they're not very good engine but the things that he was saying and how he was going about diagnosing them and calling the technicians clowns it was uncalled for and it shows a lack of education and lack of skill set when it comes to looking at engines that you don't specialize in and I wasn't trying to bash him I was just giving a different angle on a professional that works I need everyday that can actually teach people about them
@@FordBossMe and I really did appreciate the professional viewpoint on this engine specifically. It's by no means the worst engine I've ever had. Scotty takes things too far at times, but he just hates seeing shoddy workmanship. I think he was more going at the engineers and less the mechanics. He HATES engineers.
I remember encountering Reacquired Ford vehicles with the 1.6L/1.5L and 2.0L Ecoboost that had warranty repairs done relating to engine coolant consumption, but whatever dealership that worked on it before would forget to transfer the engine dowel pins over to the new engine block and end up breaking the flex plate and transmission.
Seems to me it's not about the make and model of the vehicle, It's about putting out wrong information on diag and fixing it right the first time.Good job Rich for backing up what you do and giving people quality info. And for misleadingScotty with the guessing parts cannon.
Not just the engine, 6F35 Transmission's are dropping like flies at 85K because of warn solonoid regulator valve " AFL" . 2-6 and 4-5-6 clutches have repeat failure due to this problem . TRANSGO sells a S.K. and a reamer to allow install of larger valve to stop crossleak . O.H. starts at ... More than vehicle is worth .
He has probably also seen vehicles of other makes come in as a Preowned service ticket. He’d probably roast Scotty no matter what brand. I agree though, he’d have more resources for Ford, for obvious reasons. Scotty might have been a technician before, however it’s pretty evident he wasn’t around these newer vehicles much in his prime with all the new technology and computer systems in them. It seems like he always goes straight for parts when he’s diagnosing things. That’s not bad, however it can also be a wide variety of other things causing the concern.
@@laxbeach2381 Agreed and good response! It’s crazy the level of diagnostic resources and knowledge techs have now in compared to just ten years back. As a novice I’m constantly learning from FBM and I’ll admit sometimes it’s way above my head. I think Scotty knows a lot, but he has shifted from auto mechanic to YT auto commentator and built a successful business doing that. I get FBM’s frustration, he is the guy at the end of the line trying to explain that the reason why your car won’t start is not because of the windshield wiper blade like Scotty said.
@@LLAMA-LLAMA yep, I’m not in the industry, I did work a little at a Toyota dealer as a service lane helper, and I can also speak on other things I’ve experienced with my personal vehicle as well. One time for example, I was like crap, there’s something wrong with my AC, they’ll probably have to replace something. I get to the dealer, they reprogrammed the HVAC module and so far so good, from a few years ago. Who knows what Scotty or someone like him would’ve done.
you are good and knowledgeable, and we all learn, love and appreciate what you do. a huge thanks from us all, 'cept scotty i'm sure.. that said? i still don't like that engine. it's not that i'm a chevy guy either. but give me an old 350 4 bolt main.. even if the mains go.. no biggie. drop a crank in it with new bearings? good to go, and a still kinda easy job. guess that goes with most old engines. these new ones? we all have to be as good as you to work on them, no matter who makes it...
Hey, Ford Boss me. Got a call from the Dealership yesterday. My 2.0 long block came in. 1.5 weeks after ordering. My wife and I are going to the Dealership to see the long block and get some ordering numbers and paper work. It's still 4 weeks away from installation. We were wondering if you drive your 2017 2.0 while waiting for the new long block installation. What kind of damage does it do to the turbo and the exhaust system? That anti freeze went some where. Also after the new installation. If these components go bad is that going to be covered under the warranty. We were told to Keep driving the Escape till the long block came in for installation. Because of the rental car shortages. Is this something that's normal procedure? Great video. You have been with us from the start of the leak down test and more. Just need to get it done. Before the snow flies. The 2017 Ford Titanium AWD 2.0 Escape is still a great Platform. But, Ford could have knock it out of the Park if these issue's were taken care of with a Recall and honesty. It's been a long journey with the 2017 Escape Titanium AWD 2.0. I have learned a great deal from you and your videos. I would have been lost out here. Without your advice. Even though my Escape ordeal is not over. I hope your viewers realize. How tough it would have been without it. Always, Great full. Shawn.
@@FordBossMe Thanks, Ford Boss me! You are going places! Stay true to one's self. Don't ever sell out. Don't let the troll's even get started. Stop them butt cold! They will leave you alone. To many people staying home getting paid. Wish you nothing but the best. Someone has to Lead! Do it! Shawn.
Not bashing on Scotty Kilmer one bit. He is good at what he does as far as RUclips goes. He’s an entertainer, and mechanic, sure. But you are absolutely right when it comes too needing to be more in depth when diagnosing drivability issues. We only see what Scotty wants us to see. This is why I love you’re channel and others like Bernie from ATS, Scanner Danner, etc. More in depth from start to finish. Being in the field 10 plus years, I can relate more to you and other like you, how I would go about diagnosing drivability concerns, so on and so forth. One day would love to see an actual case study from Scotty.
Scott reminds me of somebody I knew 30 years didn't like him either. Check all factors before you start talking bad about something Scotty. Thank you for this video.
I just wish Ford would offer extended warranty on these for those of us that have the engines going out of warranty soon and haven't had the issue yet. My wife's 17 fusion has been a great car but will probably get traded off next year when the powertrain is up.
Rich, thanks for taking the time to explain real world situations with these vehicles so we can all learn. I strongly dislike Scottys way of making videos. It’s all about clickbait with titles like ‘your stupid if you drive this car…’ There is no valuable information. He just makes up a quick answer based on nothing (the scan tool shows the value in red). Did he actually confuse ignition timing with valve timing?? I absolutely agree it would be obvious if the timing belt was improperly installed (off a tooth), the engine would hardly run if at all. Sometimes you have to look at the big picture…(restricted cat, trans problem, fuel quality, etc..). Thanks for setting the record straight and providing helpful information!! 👍
Fuel quality. Have you ever run into the wrong fuel being in it? I ended up with a newer Acura mdx few years ago, cranks no, start. It's got a milkshake in the oil. It's getting a motor. I pull and replace the motor. Starts and sits there and idles for 45 minutes. I go to drive around the block and its pinging like hell. Great. Long story short, someone had put diesel in the damned thing. I didn't smell it when I took it apart, it smelled like gas. I don't even know how someone got diesel in it. This was a used car trade in bought from another dealer and not running and that's how I got it. Good times
Great video Rich. I like how you used the facts to respectfully explain how Scotty was mistaken in his diagnoses. Scotty however was very condescending to the person who did the 1.5 short block. I do not miss having to get the parts all together for those 1.5 short block jobs. A lot of parts needed and there was always at least two or three on back order.
Scotty is a "car guru". He is the only "mechanic" (been working on cars for 60yrs) that could replace that Escape engine in 15min, thanks to time-lapse video. LOL
Yeah it’s crazy how noisy these direct injection motors are I used to have a 1987 Ford ranger 2.3 L all cast-iron overhead cam with the five speed that was a great little truck had about 500,000 miles on it when the frame finally snapped from all the rust from being up here in Ohio The old 2.3 L was so quiet you couldn’t even hear it when the hood was shut
But why is Ford having so many engines having block problems and allowing coolant to leak. Again, Ford engineering is terrible! They are going way too cheap and building them to not last so they can sell more. Ford needs to build quality long last vehicles if they want be profitable in the long run.
So this was predominantly between 2015 and 2019 and I think the first few years they didn't really know what the hell is going on even though they said they did they didn't because I remember back when these first started happening nobody knew what to do they were replacing head gaskets with that wasn't fixing anything and then they eventually learned with the 1.5 L it was just the block but the 1.6 L and the 2.0 L they were actually having issues with how they were routed into the cylinder head as well so that had to be designed different
Scotty Kilmer seems to be the car Caren of mechanics. Whining, righteous, and flat out wrong. 🙄 If Scotty is going to dispence advice like lollies, You would think he would make some attempt to be accurate. But no! Thank you Rick 🙏for standing up for decent hard working Techs. 👍😊
There seems to be a problem with turbos on engines across all brands now. Even on Toyota‘s new tundra, The new engine in that is a twin turbo v6 and I read they’re having problems with the turbo on that now
Everything about the 1.5L Ecoboost
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New Block Design Explained
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Normal Ecoboost Engine Sounds
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Here is how to diagnose them
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You have such a wealth of knowledge on these engines. Thanks for sharing it all.
I have almost 300k on my 13 2.0 ecoboost mkz i personality use mobil 1 fluids and I either use mobil, chevron or shell gas in 91 octane and just out of curiosity what do you recommend using on these newer Fords ?
I was so glad to see you actually commented on Scotty's video...shows you aren't afraid to put yourself out there to support facts and truth. Thank you for putting out the message you do. It's refreshing to see...please keep up the awesome work!
I get it, you back and believe in the product. However, ford should set the cam buckets so it doesnt sound like a bag of change from factory. Also, 60,000 miles and coolant intrusion is unacceptable. I dont know if they have revised anything to deal with the issue or if they are just throwing new (defective) short blocks into them. I wont own a direct injection car or electric steering. 1.5 gms even need a vacuum pump to assist with power brakes. My 400,000 mile yota has won my dedication and ill pay the extra money they go for.
Lots of good technical info in this video
BTW, that whole section on driving uphill reminded me of my high school auto teacher who said a hill will tell you everything you need to know about the health of the engine and transmission. If you can open it up and back it off while going up the hill and everything stays smooth that's a tight package. If it misses, shudders, surges or fades you've identified area of major concern ... I've noticed this is a pretty solid test with reliable results ...
Hats off for being calm on this one. I know you get worked up on his stuff. Definitely comes off better being calm and explaining like you did
This was a great video. I normally don’t like videos where somebody just goes on and talks and talks and talks. I have to say, your discourse is very content rich and not boring at all. I feel like I’ve learned a lot about Fords and understand a bit better the diagnosis process.
I am an aerospace professional and approach problems very much the same way you do, which is probably why I appreciate your contact. Thanks for posting this!
Exactly ford boss me explains shit and why it’s wrong or right while also showing the videos in question!
I'm glad to see you have made it to 156k subscribers. Thanks for keeping us in the loop on Ford's offerings.
I went to a transmission shop for a fluid change and they did a transmission flush with the wrong fluid and the wrong amount of fluid. There was a lot of shudder when the lockup clutch engaged. I went to that shop because they were supposed to know what they were doing, but clearly they are not. I had to figure it out myself, I drained the transmission and put the right fluid and the right amount of fluid, that alone fixed the problem. No more shudder at all. It's unbelievable how many amateurs are out there claiming they are specialists. The flush wasn't cheap and they almost screwed up my transmission. At the end, I had to do it myself. I should have done it in the first place. Lesson learned.
I'd rather hear this kind of information from a dealer tech, who knows this engine well, and has worked on many, you are my Ford source of information.
Tyvm
I 2nd this comment!
Agreed 100%
This information is all well and good and I do appreciate it as I've learned a lot however it doesn't help those that are out of warranty, still 10 grand in the hole for a car with a blown head gasket, back pressure in the coolant system and no other vehicle to get to work and back for 2 or 3 months if by some miracle they did have a spare £5000 to replace the short block.
same here deelers knows these cars they work on them none stop scotty i swear talks out of his butt
Regardless of what Scotty says, lets face it, the 1.5 EB along with the 5.4 3v are two of ford's worst engines.
Forgot about the 1.6 as well.
@@alextran8188 1.6 ? is that a lawn mower engine ?
@@MrBigtime1986 if it is, Scotty already has it diagnosed. The timing belt is on wrong, even if it’s correct.
I kept a 5.4 3v serviced for a company I worked for. Yes, the spark plugs could be a problem. Only thing I did to it besides oil and filters was to repair some broken exhaust manifold studs. Had 265k on it when I last saw it and ran well. Using very little oil between changes.
The other one is the 4.6, and 6.0 diesel, those were bad
Very nice way you put this video together. Getting first hand info from someone on the ground that's doing the job is priceless. For me, DI, low tension piston rings, poor block design, and turbo's are just a combination for maximum failure. Reminds of another old saying, "There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it right the second time". Lastly, buying the cheapest priced fuel you can find is really asking for problems. Pick a "Top Tier" station, and use it exclusively. You will save money in the long run.
you truly are a professional the way you handle this response video hats off to ya ive learned alot listening to your videos and look forward to learning more
Tyvm
Comment about "good enough" vs " getting it right on a gnat's arse". When Lindbergh had the engine built up for his cross Atlantic flight, a young mechanic assembled the engine right to spec, clearances, etc. The engine's oil tank carried 30 gallons of oil but he used a fraction of that amount because of unexpected low consumption. Also, when he landed in Paris, he still had 8 hours of fuel left in the tanks.
I appreciate the professionalism in your video. No slander or nonsense just pure information and fair criticism.
Rich you couldn’t have been more respectful. Thanks for sharing. Hopefully your words of wisdom don’t fall on deaf ears.
Nice to hear from a real expert. I trust your opinion, as I am Master tech of just over 40 years. Good job.
Tyvm sir
Honda and other manufacturers have the same issues. I chose the 2.0 naturally aspirated in my 22 civic over the 1.5 turbo and glad I did so.
the thing about scotty is, unless you own a toyota, you have the wrong vehicle 😂🤣. love the content here
Scotty was a "Chevy Hater", but after he drove a Chevy Spark he no longer HATES Chevys. He couldn't stop raving about how GREAT that Spark was. Go figure!
He also says Hondas are OK. He does call out the problems on those vehicles like oil dilution on 1.5Ts, but wouldn't you say that, on average, the Civic Si (especially the old 2.4L) and Civic Type R (even with gear grinds) were more reliable than the equivalent Focus ST or Focus RS respectively?
I do agree that smaller displacement engines that are turbo charged won't last long. The fact you are doing these engine rebuilds on these cars already is very sad. Thanks for your information.
Many of these turbo engines are using an open deck design. An aluminum block with iron cylinder sleeves is fine if the power and torque is low just to make an economy engine, but still, they should overbuild the little things internally to an extent. People pay too much money for cars nowadays for an engine to blow below 75k miles.
@@Dcc357 My SHO did the same thing. 74k the left turbo began to leak. The was meticulously maintained. Shame as it was a fun car.
I prefer a nice smooth running 4.9 liter SOHC V8 with mild turbocharging, 70 PSI Bosch port fuel injection, sliding cam variable valve lift, CGI iron block and heads, and precision machined deck and head matching instead of head gaskets. It would sound like a crown Victoria but, with a small amount of turbo sound and more gear shifts.
I personally own a 2017 Ford Escape with a 1.5L engine. I don’t want to say I made a bad purchase because it’s done now. But I’m trying to maintain it the best I can. Drive it good replace trans fluid every 30,000 miles, oil 5-10,000 miles. I just want to know the best stuff I can do to not have costly repairs in the future
I just traded in a 2018 Fusion SE with the 1.5. Short block replaced at 15k for coolant intrusion issue. I wouldn't go anymore than 4k miles on the oil before changing it. From my experience and that of that of others the 1.5 is just a dirty sloppy engine. I could change the oil and within 300 miles it was black again. My other cars would take around 1k miles for it to be that color. Also the tail pipe would just be soot black within a week (sometimes less) of cleaning and polishing it. Again my other cars with chrome tipped exhaust would take months for that.
The other issue that crept up prompting me to expedite it's trade in, was at 2/3 or more throttle it would puff out this huge cloud of blue smoke from exhaust when it changed gears at 2/3 or more throttle, but only 2/3+. Regular driving I never noticed it, so if it did it was very slight.
Ford Boss Me here did a video on a short block replacement of a 1.5 from an Escape with 30k miles I think. Said the woman had the car brought in for oil change exactly 5k miles each time and he showed how even with a 5k mile oil change, there was so much buildup on the piston rings cause the 1.5 is such a dirty engine.
FANTASTIC job on educating us about the technical diagnostic equipment. I would not have thought of the torque converter or transmission being a cause of such an issue (I know when I don't know, unlike Scotty). This has been VERY enlightening. Thank you for taking the time and making such an elaborate video about the subject.
One thing I agree with scotty is newer vehicles are CRAP!!
So I wasn't bad-mouthing Scotty here I was just adding more to his Diagnostics to show people it's much more than just what was shown by Scotty
@@FordBossMe I agree ford boss me! The next comment is watch scotty if you like drama!
I'll admit OBD-2 makes my job a lot easier (independent shop) but there's a lot more that can break on modern cars.
Yeah small tiny engines with turbos in big suvs... who's dumb idea was this
@@FordBossMe Yup will be interesting to see if Scotty can as humble as you. You did a great video on showing even Scotty can be corrected for coming to early conclusions where more in depth diagnostics could have been useful before jumping to conclusions.
Awesome, I can understand as complicated as these engines are the more sensitive they become to things like poor gas and how it can have a domino effect on other things. Thank you.😁😁👍👍
Ford Boss, I have been following you for years, thank you for the education. I have a 2017 escape 1.5L with 211k miles as of this morning. I change the engine oil and filter every 3k miles and transmission fluid every 30K, timing belt and water pump every 100k. It has been a great car and never left me stranded. The interior still looks new, for me. it has been a great car but I think that may be attributed to maintenance. Thank you for all the advice!
What an awesome video. I love how you don’t pretend the engines are perfect but you cut through the hyperbole and give people information they can actually use.
Thank you very much!
French dude here. Interesting video ! If I'm right we probably have those engines in France too, because the ford "Kuga" sold here is a ford escape AFAIK. I think the disagreement with old scooty is probably also a "generation" issue. Let's face it, we can try it hard, but no one is perfectly objective, everyone has his own experience. And Scotty, regardless of his respectable experience as a mechanic and caring about customers, he can't be always right. So it's nice to have other people opinion. However, no need to be a mechanic to know "Murphy's law" (even of it's not really what it says) to guess the more complex a machine is, the more chances stuff can break down. However it's not a universal rule. A simple machine poorly made can be less reliable than a complex machine greatly made. But the latter might be more complex and expensive to fix..
However, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this !
Thanks a ton for this! I’ve watched a few of Scotty’s vids, but I would always search through other resources prior to following his recommendations. Nothing beats years of hands on experience, so I appreciate you dissecting his heavily-edited content!
Sadly, I do have a 1.5 Eco boost. Not even 130,000 miles (w/ warranty) and I’ve already had the transmission replaced (not even a year into ownership) AND its about to return to the dealer for coolant seeping into the 1st cylinder.
Just like with many companies, they’re rushing to produce SOMETHING instead of taking their time to present us good quality. As much as I’ve always been a Ford gal, I’m considering retiring 🥺
A very interesting video. I recently sold my 2018 F150 with a 2.7 and I really liked the truck. It only had 15,000 KM on it and my reason for selling it was because I no longer needed a truck and used truck prices are high. I agree with you on the radiator louvers. I live in Canada and they make a noticeable difference in the warmup time on very cold days. When it is extremely cold in the winter some drivers will use something to block the grille (either cardboard on an old vehicle or a custom grille cover on a nicer vehicle). I recently retired but when I was young my father and I ran an autobody repair business. I remember looking at a Renault that was only a few years old and I noticed that it had radiator louvers as well. That was over 40 years ago! The implementation was a simple, all manual system. There was a lever under the dash that could be pulled to open and close the louvers. Thanks for the video.
Yeah the 2.7 liter F-150 is probably the most reliable platform outside of the regular naturally-aspirated line
Respect both Rich and Scotty. I know nothing about engines except that I expect automotive engineers to design and manufacturers to build reliable engines.
I'm shocked at the number of problems experienced on these low mileage 4 year old engines.
I was very interested in purchasing a 2022 ford maverick with the 2L EcoBoost.... Based upon research and these videos, I'll likely be forced to pass. What a shame as I do like bother the maverick and the ranger.
I currently own a 2009 toyota and 2011 honda and their reliability has been phenominal.
The design phase isn't the issue - it's the bean-counter engineering which follows.
Great video, I recently purchased a 2017 Ford Escape SE with the 1.5 with 60 thousand miles .so far so good after 3 month of owning.
I had Ford buy back my 2014 Escape with the 1.6 liter engine. Coolant loss, and god awful timing belt noise at 13k miles. Ended up with a 2.0 ecoboost escape that was decent. Traded it for a new F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost. At 78k miles I had the one of the turbos replaced, the water pump went out, had to have the plugs and coils replaced, etc. Got rid of it before it finally came apart. Ecoboost engines just aren’t as reliable as other Ford engines, especially the 4 cylinder ones.
Hey, Jesse! I have a 2017 Titanium AWD 2.0 Escape. Bought it with 21,000. 9,000 miles later. Engine light came on. Water Intrusion in #2 cylinder. Long block replacement in 4 weeks. Today is 9 29 2021. I am dumping this Escape right after installation. Before anything else happens. Buying a Toyota Rav4 if I can find one. I was a Ford fan before not anymore. Ford has put me through a Huge ordeal. My Dealership got sold on Oct the 1st. Now. When they get stuck putting in the installation. Will it get put in correctly. Just want this ordeal over. Ford owes me Big time. I have 3 warranty's. But what if I didn't! $8800.00 dollars. They didn't even have a recall for the people who's warranty's ran out. Ford never again! The new Bronco or New F-150 electric model. Thanks for your input. It help alot of people. Shawn.
Hmm that’s odd I have a 2013 2.0 eco boost mkz with 298,345 miles on it I drive 114 miles just to go to work and back during the summer it gets up to 120 degrees and is always very dusty I follow what the owners manual says for severe driving condition and maintenance interval and I use mobil 1 fluids for everything
People need to start treating these engines like high stress little motors like they are.
@@stevennunez6013 298,345 highway miles is the equivalent to 29,000 city miles. These ecoboost (eco bombs) give up the ghost for mixed driving, and short distance use. If you tow with them, expect turbo issues, and timing chain problems on the pickup trucks.
@@stevennunez6013 Even if it’s bulletproof I treat my engines like they’re made of glass and that’s why I believe they’ll last forever. Haha
@@jessieharbinjr.6589 I used to drive from anthem Arizona to flagstaff Arizona 5 days a week so I drive up hill along with elevation changes it gets 120 degrees in the summer here where I live my mkz without me in it weighs 4156 lbs not exactly high way miles for the first 5 years of owning the mkz now I drive from north Phoenix to San tan az so the car spends a lot of time in stop and go traffic on my daily commute
I was told to touch the brake during shudder, if the shudder goes away, its the torque converter. That works for sure for the panther cars. Shudder is caused by the PWM pulsing of the converter. Either spend fluid or bad TCC clutch.
Love this vid, glad that both you and Scotty are looking out for the customers! Sure miss ford's reliability that I grew up with...
Good to see that there is a decent mechanic (and human being) in the world that wants to educate people on problems and how to fixe them
Don’t care for Scotty at all, but the bottom line is the engines are kinda crappy unfortunately. I own multiple older fords and it pains me to say this but I wouldn’t buy a newer one, not that GM or Chrysler are doing any better. Good vid keep em coming.
Pick your poison
Different model year perhaps....2014 Fusion, 1 5L. 200k miles. 130 miles per day, 100 highway with cruise control.
Threw the codes...yup, coolant in cylinders.
EXCELLENT channel sir.
Tyvm
Scotty Kilmer is one of the main reasons I wish RUclips had a block feature.
But he’s right I have that truck and it’s happening to me right now
Hi Rich . you are 1000% correct when you say it is not about gloating , such a great statement ! A seasoned Tech or even Scotty can have the best scan tool with the most recent software but if they don't know how to use it or how to read the data being displayed that scan tool may as well be an etch a sketch in their hands . I heard a Tech from another shop that was having an ongoing issue with a vehicle say he was using an 18,000 dollar Snap-On scan tool and should had been able to repair this vehicle by now . I quickly replied back .. it's a scan tool NOT a crystal ball regardless the price !!
Watching Scotty use that scan tool reminded me of a gentleman i worked with years ago doing alignments . He didn't have the knowledge to read the alignment screen and know how the vehicle would preform on the road but as long as the 3 boxes on the left and the 3 boxes on the right were green with check marks he felt he did his job .
The sad thing about Scotty Kilmer is that he puts these videos out with bad information or misinformation and his viewers end up looking like idiots repeating what he says .
Have a GREAT day in the shop Rick ! Thanks for the info !!
Tyvm
I somehow knew this was coming. Great response.
Still very relevant even 2yrs on. Bought a 2017 Ford Escape 2.0T Ecoboost and learning a lot. Had it now for 3 weeks and engine light came on but gone again, running really well still. However, booked in at the Local Ford dealer for check anyway. Be Blessed mate!
I like how you kept it respectful, I’ve seen that at work where time is money, they say never trouble shoot with anecdote, then they use anecdote. Even the senior guys. Very informative.
Tyvm
Thank God you found the problem. But no engine should never last less than 200,000. We are heaving the same problem. With mom's dodge dealer. Her keep patrite won't tho codes. I've been thanking it's the transmission.
Very good video. I liked how you didn’t attack Scotty Kilmer. You spoke form your experience and provided actual video proof backing up your explanation. I really liked that you looked for the real cause of the issue of the shutter and showing it was a transmission issue. Keep up the great work. Be blessed.
I lost faith in Scotty when he made the video titled “you should never use this type of oil filter” and it was the canister style filter……..if a car had that wtf else am I supposed to use
Scotty has to make sensational content to keep his followers going. I once heard a biology professor say "Welcome to the world of complex systems!". This is certainly true for modern cars and it needs a specialist to unpack it.
When I hear sensational critiquing, I scroll past.
I liked most of what Scotty was doing, but I had to unsubscribe from his RUclips channel because I disliked his sensationalistic clickbait video titles.
Bro if my Ford ever has troubles, you are the man I want fixing it. Sucks that I live in Germany.......
I have a 13 Fusion with the 1.5 liter. Got 96 k on it. Never had any problems with it. I change oil and empty the catch can every 3k. Been a decent car for my daughter at college.
It's interesting I can see how a torque converter could act like or seem like a misfire. Your diagnostic tools help a ton... I wish I could get some .. while a simple OBD2 diagnostic tool can help but only to a certain extent.. I had a low voltage misfire due to bad coil packs no check engine light. But couldn't be found with the OBD2 plug and play.. my torque converter is failing and acted just like a misfire tricky stuff.. but having a idea of what to look for helps knowing the vehicle helps too. Proper tools and knowledge help with any repairs. And since I don't have the knowledge to mess with transmissions.. I'm bowing out on the repairs myself and having someone with proper experience take care of it.
Your video is a great example of proper diagnostic vs jumping to conclusions.. keep up the awesome job,
Tyvm brother
@@FordBossMe hey I have a question . You mentioned a fuel check for Quality . You also mentioned knock sensors. Would you also get a lean code for fuel too? I know you mentioned other issues because of bad Fuel I suppose I'm curious if it would throw a code for lean issues because of that. I don't remember you mentioning it . If you did I apologize
@@chrisburrell8489 If you have a bi-directional scanner or FORDSCAN to run off your laptop you can do the tests. He said,
"You have to go into a Data Logger and then command your fuel pump on while you have one of the fuel lines off up in the engine and take a sample that way."
Honestly if you go to a reputable gas seller like Costco or Chevon it's unnecessary.
I was worried because I went to this no-brand gas station in the middle of nowhere with cheap gas because I was low. Turns out it was low quality, but still within okay margins.
@@Asdeer101 I don't have a laptop at this time.
Bad quality fuel can do all kinds of things ping and knock should be a indicator of that as well.
A lot of these "problems" occur because their owners realize that these are "disposable vehicles"and treat them accordingly by abusing them with lack of maintenance and just generally driving them into the ground. Any vehicle WILL last if it is RELIGIOUSLY maintained and driven carefully. I own a 2015 Escape with the 1.6L ECO-Boost, vehicle currently has 81,000miles on the clock, with ABSOLUTELY NO issues what so ever! I change MY OWN oil once a year, Whether I drive 4K miles or 1K miles, use Penzoil "ultra-platinum" (lowest "volatility" oil on the market.....keeps intakes cleaner), pre-fill oil filter during changes, also, run a FULL qt of NEW oil through to help get as much dirty oil out of the pan as possible. After, starting the engine (hot or cold), I take it real easy for the first couple miles before going at highway speeds and letting the engine idle a couple minutes after high speed running. I am CERTAIN that what I AM doing is keeping this engine trouble free. There are NO coolant leaks or oil leaks..............OR maybe because the vehicle was built on a Wednesday. With domestic automobiles, middle of the week is a safer bet!
With respect, the 2014 Escape my 'other' just got used was 'fine' at 88k... and at 91k it started gulping coolant. My guess is that the head gasket is toasted, and a quick look around the internet tells me that this is very common, due to a design flaw in the head (coolant grooves between cylinders result in a fail point). I see your post is a year old... maybe you have been fortunate. Us, not so much. Thousands of others, not so much. The idea of a 'disposable' vehicle is fine, if the Ford dealers themselves actually dispose of them instead of reselling them to people who didn't search the Internet to find out why it's a POS.
I feel badly for the techs like this guy, who end up making long videos about how the half million problems known to be associated with a particular design really aren't that bad, weren't diagnosed properly, etc. In my now admittedly not so unbiased view, you buy one of these, you better buy a mechanic to go with it...
I hadn’t seen Scotty’s video on this. My son has a 2019 Fusion with a turbo motor, can’t remember what size other than it’s not the high performance version. Last year had the same coolant intrusion problem. Ford said that they’d replace the short block as a recall or something. Service advisor said that it was a wide spread issue. It didn’t take more than a week to get it running again. Nevertheless a used Ford with one one of those EcoBoost will not be on my used car buyers list. The motor is still loud and I wondered if it it was just normal. I like how you discussed how you rebuilt the motor to quiet it down. Reminds me of a guy back in the 80s with an early 80s Ford pickup with a 302. He said that it kept burning oil long after it should have broke in. Dealership did everything they could but didn’t help. He finally pulled the motor, rebuilt it to factory specs - basically blue printed - no high performance parts. It stopped burning oil and ran a whole lot better that it did when the factory had slapped it together. Made better power too.
Every time I watch more of these videos I think more and more why I'm glad I'm not buying a modern Ford
I have a 2015 GMC Sierra that I recently took to the dealer for some service work. I spoke to the actual mechanic who was working on my truck. He said what you said about fuel quality. He said that I had fuel with 18% alcohol level. He also advised me to run some Chevron Techron through the system and run some mid grade or higher gasoline in it for a while. Now the gov't will push for 15% ethanol level which will make fuel economy worst.
I have a 2013 Ford Focus 2.0L N/A "Flex Fuel " vehicle. I can run E85 (85% ethanol), which I do quite often. My local "filling station" (Kwik Trip) had it for $2.75/gal a month ago, now it's a WHOPPING $3.19/gal. The mileage reduction, worst case, is about 15%, but at the cheaper price , you do come out ahead. The downside is less range on a full tank, my range drops from 450miles to just under 400miles per tankful. The upside is: E85 is equivalent to 105 octane (racing gas), which REALLY makes that Focus scoot because the ECM allows ignition timing to run at full factory spec. But, you're supposed to run "regular gas through it once in a while.
Appreciate the calm, cool, level headed responses to Kilmer's wild arm flapping yapping. Time for Kilmer to retire.
I don't even know if he's really a mechanic. I think sometimes he's just an actor... and does that Celica even run.... I think it's a stage prop
4:04 That explains a lot of things, because some dealers love to cut corners and costs and won't do the repairs as stated on both TSB and Ford PTS (used to be a Ford employee some years ago). I got a 2.0 EcoBoost replaced on my 2018 Escape (funny enough, it lasted near 57k km/ 30k mi, it was built in Germany, and the engine was the european spec, but got an american spec engine instead... which makes me think that also Kugas and Mondeos in Europe are affected as well, which also makes me think that this issue is world-wide and not specific to any market or region). The issue is that I'm getting extremely poor mileage. When it was new, it was getting well over 10km/l (23 mpg) in mostly city driving, and managed to do over 24 km/l (50 mpg) on a highway, barely over sea level, on a warm day. Then, after some time, the fun began... shaking and doing all sorts of weird stuff, and it went to the dealership for 2 months (these idiots even scratched badly the hood of the thing, and didn't want to paint it because it was expensive for them and I left the car for too long with them, when the issue was clearly that these replacement blocks are all on back order... they even took 3 weeks to polish the thing... thanks Ford Picacho in Mexico City for the poor job). Funny enough, I had a chance to look at the engine they took out and the piston head on cyl #3 was clearly cracked (wtf#1), but the other piston heads were alright. Now the thing does less than 8.5 km/l (20 mpg) on a highway, and on the city it gets very bad, even reaching 5 km/l (11.7 mpg - wtf#2). I took it back and they mentioned that this is normal (wtf #3), and it should fix itself over time (wtf #4). They even left me a precious gift of electrical problems, the cowl cover broken, the wipers out of sync, and the audio stopped sounding like an OEM Sony 9 speaker sytem, but some cheap radio from some old public transportation bus (WTF #5). I'm planning to get rid of the thing, as I don't trust this new engine nor the electrical system of the car, as they mentioned that I had already signed that I have accepted the work done on the thing, and the extended warranty won't cover the diagnosis of such delicate repair (wtf#6,7,8...). I feel I got scammed.
I also own a 1992 Ford Tempo, 2-door, 2.3L 5-speed manual... I haven't taken the engine apart on the thing after 30 years daily driving it (even when I was driving like a maniac, I always did way more than 14.9 km/l/35 mpg). Guess Ford won't make great cars again, but POSs made to scam customers, just like the other PCM and battery issues of the fugly Mach-E... or that's the impression I've got as an ex-employee.
I'll trade the Escape in for an early 2000s 5.4 2v Expedition or Navigator. At least, there is an extremely large number of E-series, F-series and SUVs using this engine out there, and do way better in fuel consumption than this Escape... not to mention, they can easily be converted to use LP Gas or CNG as well and same some bucks on the long run. :(
I’m surprised that Ford have had so many issues with small capacity engines considering they’ve been selling them successfully in Europe for decades. Even the French build small capacity gas/diesel turbo injection engines that last 200,000 kilometres.
200k kilometers is 125,000 miles...that's nothing for American drivers.
@@earlscheib7754 That’s very true, but the video was talking about eco boost engines needing short and long block replacement at half that distance and less than two years old. My 2008 Renault 1.5L turbo diesel has 182,000 kilometres on the clock and the only engine parts requiring replacement were the timing belt, water pump/accessory belt and the water pump. My point remains that Ford has made such small capacity engines for the European market for decades and they haven’t needed new short blocks at 60,000 miles.
Actually Ford has had quite a few issues with their ecoboost engines in Europe. Especially their 1.0 liter 3 cyl. I have the 1.5 in my 2018 Escape. Coolant intrusion at around 30k. Replaced block. No issues since, now at 80k(knock on wood🤣)
I can back this up. My wifes 1.6 liter sounds just like this and she just had the long block replaced around a month ago.
Thank you for editing this, a lot of work went into this video. Much appreciated
Yvw
Thank you for this video, and I much prefer the calm approach based on facts and documentation from Uncle Henry.
You're very welcome!
@@FordBossMe It makes a huge difference. Sensationalism might get views but detailed analysis, explanation in plain English, showing not telling, yeah that's fantastic. And using real world smarts to diagnose problems rather than just using the computer... 👍 Thank you again.
Rev up your engines!!! Be interesting to see how this plays out.
That only works for Scottys Toyota Celica
I still think of my Pintos every time I hear something about replacing timing belts...
All the fanciest tools in the world doesn't beat life experiences.
The tool gives you a direction, a starting point, not easy shotgun solution that some believe they do.
It takes education and experience combined with tool feedback and the though grasp of how the system operates to make the right call.
I’m a big Scotty fan but no one is perfect and anyone that blindly listens to anything one person says will be disappointed at least occasionally. Now I have two highly qualified people whose opinions I can listen to for free. SUBSCRIBED!
I find a lot of the stuff that Scotty says on the older vehicles really good but when he talks about the newer vehicles and the new technology most of the time he's way off and it's not even close to being correct
Kilmer is one of those youtoobers who designs his borderline dishonest content around fabricated drama and unrealistic hysterics. He’s the YouToob automotive equivalent of a tabloid.
Im gonna say this: I have threatened to never speak to people again after they referenced a video from Scotty. As far as timing belts go, I have a little more freedom with this. If I take the belt off, they are paying for a new one. If not, go somewhere else. The price of a timing belt as a part, doing a repair that requires removal, thus no extra labor, is very cheap insurance. My average car repair with a belt removal is going to be an 05-2010 3.5 dodge charger, say a water pump replacement. The belt is 50 bucks tops. That belt being replaced could prevent a lawsuit. I feel more confident in my work, and my customers save some money in the future. 50 bucks now or 600 in 30k miles for example. To most working class people, its an easy decision. Now, some cars have directional timing belts. If whatever car you're working on doesn't, and you don't mark rotation direction, what happens to an aging belt that just changed direction? I'd guess teeth being torn off. Not willing to flip one and find out for sure. That's my 2 cents.
If you ever have a reason to not be here all I ask is that you just don't show up and don't tell me because there's no reason for you to not show up because of a video I reference and if I am referencing a video it's important
@@FordBossMe I've said it before and I'll say it again. Anyone that says use laundry detergent on a catalytic converter is so far from sanity it ain't funny. I might be overly cautious on the timing belt thing though. Also, you and me aren't publishing farewell videos twice a week.
@@FordBossMe part 2, to be clear: I have had people show me Scott's cat video and ask me to put lacquer thinner in their gas tank. Well, being 22 and stupid, I tried to limp my way to the gas station running on thinner. I had to choke the car to death with a rag cause it kept running with the ignition off. This was a carburetor points car. Its only going to cause many more problems on an obdii car. After that nugget of nonsense, yeah, Scotty and his videos are kryptonite.
I totally agree with you on the belt. Mileage isn't the only factor in them. Contamination is HUGE! Oil and coolant kills the life of a belt once it comes into contact with them. Like you said (and I do to) you are already there, it's a couple bucks in parts only, saves 100 headaches and a customer that will tell 100 people what a hack you are if it fails because they didn't want to spend the extra money.
@@FordBossMe - I think you might’ve misunderstood what McGee meant? Sounded to me like McGee meant customers or people who use Kilmer’s videos as a knowledgeable source and use them for suggesting things to McGee…..which you absolutely do not. Maybe I misunderstood, doesn’t matter. Kilmer is a clown. You aren’t.
We have these at work - Junk
Evap problems on about 1/2 of the fleet. After warranty expires it runs $1k - $3k depending on how much they change. Also cracked flywheels and some transmission “ears” that break a bunch and cause vibration.
Back in the early 2000’s I argued that small, stressed, forced-induction engines weren’t the way to go for ordinary cars and trucks. That’s why they weren’t in widespread use back then. They still should not be in widespread use.
It depends on the region. Overhere in Europe a lot of cars and I really mean a lot have small downsized engines.
Basic VW Golf has either a 999cc 3 cilinder of a 1.5 4 cilinder.
Ford mostly has 3 cilinder gasoline engines in the Focus mk4. They are either 1 L or 1.5 L. The 1L is available up to 155bhp as a mHEV.
The only 4 cilinder engines in the current Focus are the diesels and ofcourse the ST.
The same goes for most other manufacturers.
@@meeder78 yes, Europe has always been different. In the hands of American drivers on American soil those cars would probably also be regarded as weak and troublesome.
@@meeder78 You fella's over there (and Australia) have some pretty odd government regulations, taxes & restrictions when it comes to engines, and engine sizing. That's why all the "go fast" stuff for I6's and 4 bangers comes from your side of the pond. Here if we want more, we just go big block V8 and call it day.
Thankyou Rich for diagnostic. Exactly what my 2016 for exploder 2.3 ecoboost is doing. I've replaced all plugs, coils, turbo(bushing gone, oil in intake), solenoid stretegy for reverse gear, and transmission fluid. Looks bad, very dirty trans fluid. Waited way too long 100k.
I saw Scotties face and I almost instinctively hit the don't recommend channel. Good thing I double checked. Good breakdown.
Excelent video. I thank you very much. Scotty does get carried away.
I had a 2018 Escape, 1.5L and no way he was averaging 30 in the hills. I got 29mpg once on flat ground averaging 60-65mph. I traded it because of this car crisis and got $22,000 before the coolant became an issue. It had 20,500 miles and the coolant was below the low line in the tank. Plot twist. My new neighbor who just moved into town bought it from the dealer. Lol
We had the same with our 1.5 Ecoboost. Coolant was low and all the dealership would do was top off the coolant level and send us on our way.
We ended up selling the car which was a bit sad since it was a great car to drive and the engine still ran great although thirsty.
Check your axle ratio
I have to go with Scotty. The fact you rebuild and replace engines at 60000 says it all.
Love listening to you analyze this stuff. Scotty gets too fired up for my tastes and then goes off the reservation with his engineering generalities. I believe that calm and thoughtful is the way to go working on these newer drivetrains. We kept our 2014 Fusion with 1.5 ecoboost for 7 years and had no issues from it Now we're driving a 2020 Edge and 22 Maverick with the 2.0 ecoboosts. 17k and 1.4k miles on them respectively so far. Both run flawlessly.
Scotty is OK with older stuff but not very bright with thos newer stuff
And if you notice he's a flip flopper and contradiction is huge with him, he's also very money driven with the stuff he pushes
I just get annoyed by him
Scotty is an idiot. I learn nothing from his rants. I don't know how he has a following. I follow this guy, SMA, Ivan, and other real techs.
I've learned 2 things. Regular oil changes/maintenance and keep putting 93 gas in my 1.5l eco boosted bronco sport lol thanx 👍
Scotties videos should be considered as "entertainment".
Not a realistic depiction of reality.
His video's should have a label that it is for entertainment purposes only and it should not be considered truthful information 😬
I agree, I see more like another "Jeremy Clarckson" than anything else, just to have laugh more than anything else.
He’ll recommend you a Toyota celica hahaha
The disturbing reality is that it is all real to Scotty !!!
@@meeder78 You could say the same about the mainstream media.
Very good critique, great learning opportunity
You know, Scotty keeps putting these farewell videos out. I keep waiting for the one that actually is the last video of his.
4 moulin Scotty subscribers can’t be wrong
It’s hot in Texas and for the first time I saw smoke coming out the exhaust and I didn’t think anything of it until later . My car pulls back on it’s on without my foot being on the gas. So much more I can’t afford to be without the car so I don’t get it fixed idk what to do . Thank you for your videos though .
EXCELLENT video. You responded in a factual, non-offensive, non-malicious manner. I myself, have done HUNDREDS of these 1.5 short blocks now, including on that's in my bay right now, to be up and running tomorrow. Having done that many of these, it's inevitable to have some "issues" either immediately or shortly after repair. What's most important at the end of the day, is correcting it for the customer. I am curious though, as to why Ford will replace a long block on a 2.0L for this very concern, but only a short block if it's a 1.5L. Why not just make it a long block for both? If cost is the reason, well I can't say that Ford doesn't have some control over the pricing of the parts to some degree. Back in the day, cam sensors for 7.3 diesels were an astronomical price of $300. Fast forward to 2007 when recall 07S57 was issued, cam sensors conveniently dropped in price to only $18?
Tyvm brother
I'm glad that Ford USA is doing a responsible job with replacing these engines. Ford Europe is sadly still in complete denial of the issues that could arise with these engines.
@@meeder78 Ford Australia learned the hard way about good customer support. Their handling of the powershift transmission debacle led to a class action lawsuit. which led to an investigation by the ACCC and then subsequently getting sued by the said ACCC. They now provide an unlimited KM 10 year warranty on those transmissions now. But the damage was already done. Ford's Australian manufacturing ceased the same year that they stopped putting that transmission in their cars. Without the admittedly, aging Falcon and Territory to boost their declining sales figures. The downward spiral of cost cutting was going to happen. They are now at a point where they only sell 3 SUV models, 1 car, and 4 performance vehicles. In total across all of those, they have barely managed to sell 5000 units over the whole year. Ranger is the only vehicle that sells here and sold just under 4000 in the month of August. If Ford's commercial vehicle sales start to collapse. They will end up like Holden. Gone.
I just got a 2023 for a company car. So not my pick. I have a fuel card so I’m going to run 93 octane only. Hopefully that helps keep it running smooth.
I bet ole scotty thinks the idler arm controls the idle too 🤣🤣
Good one ! 😋
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I think I posted something similar on another video. I was considering downsizing from my Honda minivan with the venerable 3.5L V6 VTEC to a new Ford Maverick with the 2.0L EcoBoost. The kids are bigger and we don't need all the room, the bed would have plenty of space to put luggage into. I'm just used to Toyota and Honda engines that go for 200k miles and beyond with no work needed aside from the timing belt kit every 100k miles on the Hondas. My Odyssey has 176k on the original engine and transmission. I also need a tow hitch and there's so much underbody rust on the Odyssey that I can't get a hitch on there, I know most Mavericks come with the 4k tow package. But I dunno. An engine shouldn't have to be rebuilt at ~70k miles. I take care of my cars and I do all the maintenance myself, I even use 0W-20 for the winter months on cars that normally take 5W-20 like my Odyssey. I could wait another year to see how the Mavericks do.
80,000 miles huh? Reminds me of the Chevy Vega. If you could get 75,000 miles out of a Vega, you pulled a miracle.
Personally, I think the 1.5 EB should only be in a small car like the fiesta or focus. Excape needs the 2.5 four liter or 2.0EB. nothing wrong with the 1.5 just a bit underpowered for a crossover like that
I've watched Scotty for years and saw the video in question. I appreciate seeing a different take on this engine. I had a 2016 Ford Escape SE with the 1.5L. The transmission would slam into gears while climbing any incline trying to find a gear. When taking off from a stop, the engine would rev and the transmission would hesitate. I now have a 2019 Escape Titanium with the 2.0L with zero issues. That 1.5 seemed very underpowered.
You know they're not very good engine but the things that he was saying and how he was going about diagnosing them and calling the technicians clowns it was uncalled for and it shows a lack of education and lack of skill set when it comes to looking at engines that you don't specialize in and I wasn't trying to bash him I was just giving a different angle on a professional that works I need everyday that can actually teach people about them
@@FordBossMe and I really did appreciate the professional viewpoint on this engine specifically. It's by no means the worst engine I've ever had. Scotty takes things too far at times, but he just hates seeing shoddy workmanship. I think he was more going at the engineers and less the mechanics. He HATES engineers.
My daughters Fusion does this. She took it into the dealer and was told the transmission shutter was within specs and wouldn’t do anything about it.
I remember encountering Reacquired Ford vehicles with the 1.6L/1.5L and 2.0L Ecoboost that had warranty repairs done relating to engine coolant consumption, but whatever dealership that worked on it before would forget to transfer the engine dowel pins over to the new engine block and end up breaking the flex plate and transmission.
Early in this did happen
Wow
Seems to me it's not about the make and model of the vehicle, It's about putting out wrong information on diag and fixing it right the first time.Good job Rich for backing up what you do and giving people quality info. And for misleadingScotty with the guessing parts cannon.
Not just the engine, 6F35 Transmission's are dropping like flies at 85K because of warn solonoid regulator valve " AFL" . 2-6 and 4-5-6 clutches have repeat failure due to this problem . TRANSGO sells a S.K. and a reamer to allow install of larger valve to stop crossleak . O.H. starts at ... More than vehicle is worth .
I have a feeling if you guys ever meet it’s best you both talk about Chevys. Learned a lot, thanks. How’s the medicine doing?
He has probably also seen vehicles of other makes come in as a Preowned service ticket. He’d probably roast Scotty no matter what brand. I agree though, he’d have more resources for Ford, for obvious reasons. Scotty might have been a technician before, however it’s pretty evident he wasn’t around these newer vehicles much in his prime with all the new technology and computer systems in them. It seems like he always goes straight for parts when he’s diagnosing things. That’s not bad, however it can also be a wide variety of other things causing the concern.
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@@laxbeach2381 Agreed and good response! It’s crazy the level of diagnostic resources and knowledge techs have now in compared to just ten years back. As a novice I’m constantly learning from FBM and I’ll admit sometimes it’s way above my head. I think Scotty knows a lot, but he has shifted from auto mechanic to YT auto commentator and built a successful business doing that. I get FBM’s frustration, he is the guy at the end of the line trying to explain that the reason why your car won’t start is not because of the windshield wiper blade like Scotty said.
@@FordBossMe 💪
@@LLAMA-LLAMA yep, I’m not in the industry, I did work a little at a Toyota dealer as a service lane helper, and I can also speak on other things I’ve experienced with my personal vehicle as well. One time for example, I was like crap, there’s something wrong with my AC, they’ll probably have to replace something. I get to the dealer, they reprogrammed the HVAC module and so far so good, from a few years ago. Who knows what Scotty or someone like him would’ve done.
you are good and knowledgeable, and we all learn, love and appreciate what you do. a huge thanks from us all, 'cept scotty i'm sure.. that said? i still don't like that engine. it's not that i'm a chevy guy either. but give me an old 350 4 bolt main.. even if the mains go.. no biggie. drop a crank in it with new bearings? good to go, and a still kinda easy job. guess that goes with most old engines. these new ones? we all have to be as good as you to work on them, no matter who makes it...
Hey, Ford Boss me. Got a call from the Dealership yesterday. My 2.0 long block came in. 1.5 weeks after ordering. My wife and I are going to the Dealership to see the long block and get some ordering numbers and paper work. It's still 4 weeks away from installation. We were wondering if you drive your 2017 2.0 while waiting for the new long block installation. What kind of damage does it do to the turbo and the exhaust system? That anti freeze went some where. Also after the new installation. If these components go bad is that going to be covered under the warranty. We were told to Keep driving the Escape till the long block came in for installation. Because of the rental car shortages. Is this something that's normal procedure? Great video. You have been with us from the start of the leak down test and more. Just need to get it done. Before the snow flies. The 2017 Ford Titanium AWD 2.0 Escape is still a great Platform. But, Ford could have knock it out of the Park if these issue's were taken care of with a Recall and honesty. It's been a long journey with the 2017 Escape Titanium AWD 2.0. I have learned a great deal from you and your videos. I would have been lost out here. Without your advice. Even though my Escape ordeal is not over. I hope your viewers realize. How tough it would have been without it. Always, Great full. Shawn.
I've never seen any of the components fail because of it but there's definitely enough concern to be worried about the catalytic converter
Think you're going to be fine
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Not bashing on Scotty Kilmer one bit. He is good at what he does as far as RUclips goes. He’s an entertainer, and mechanic, sure. But you are absolutely right when it comes too needing to be more in depth when diagnosing drivability issues. We only see what Scotty wants us to see.
This is why I love you’re channel and others like Bernie from ATS, Scanner Danner, etc. More in depth from start to finish. Being in the field 10 plus years, I can relate more to you and other like you, how I would go about diagnosing drivability concerns, so on and so forth. One day would love to see an actual case study from Scotty.
The problem with Scotty is he has become so corporate bought out and he's an Entertainer now not really a mechanic at all anymore
Scott reminds me of somebody I knew 30 years didn't like him either.
Check all factors before you start talking bad about something Scotty.
Thank you for this video.
This is why my wife’s escape has a bullet proof 2.5L 124000 miles run perfect not even a oil leak any where
I like Scotty for being so energetic for his age, but some of the stuff he says from a technical standpoint is debatable.
I just wish Ford would offer extended warranty on these for those of us that have the engines going out of warranty soon and haven't had the issue yet. My wife's 17 fusion has been a great car but will probably get traded off next year when the powertrain is up.
Rich, thanks for taking the time to explain real world situations with these vehicles so we can all learn. I strongly dislike Scottys way of making videos. It’s all about clickbait with titles like ‘your stupid if you drive this car…’ There is no valuable information. He just makes up a quick answer based on nothing (the scan tool shows the value in red). Did he actually confuse ignition timing with valve timing?? I absolutely agree it would be obvious if the timing belt was improperly installed (off a tooth), the engine would hardly run if at all. Sometimes you have to look at the big picture…(restricted cat, trans problem, fuel quality, etc..). Thanks for setting the record straight and providing helpful information!! 👍
You mentioned timing belt. Are you saying that timing belt is better than a timing chain.
Fuel quality. Have you ever run into the wrong fuel being in it? I ended up with a newer Acura mdx few years ago, cranks no, start. It's got a milkshake in the oil. It's getting a motor. I pull and replace the motor. Starts and sits there and idles for 45 minutes. I go to drive around the block and its pinging like hell. Great. Long story short, someone had put diesel in the damned thing. I didn't smell it when I took it apart, it smelled like gas. I don't even know how someone got diesel in it. This was a used car trade in bought from another dealer and not running and that's how I got it. Good times
Great video Rich. I like how you used the facts to respectfully explain how Scotty was mistaken in his diagnoses. Scotty however was very condescending to the person who did the 1.5 short block. I do not miss having to get the parts all together for those 1.5 short block jobs. A lot of parts needed and there was always at least two or three on back order.
Scotty is a "car guru". He is the only "mechanic" (been working on cars for 60yrs) that could replace that Escape engine in 15min, thanks to time-lapse video. LOL
Yeah it’s crazy how noisy these direct injection motors are I used to have a 1987 Ford ranger 2.3 L all cast-iron overhead cam with the five speed that was a great little truck had about 500,000 miles on it when the frame finally snapped from all the rust from being up here in Ohio The old 2.3 L was so quiet you couldn’t even hear it when the hood was shut
But why is Ford having so many engines having block problems and allowing coolant to leak. Again, Ford engineering is terrible! They are going way too cheap and building them to not last so they can sell more. Ford needs to build quality long last vehicles if they want be profitable in the long run.
Forget about long run. This happens to someone, and they don't buy another Ford.
So this was predominantly between 2015 and 2019 and I think the first few years they didn't really know what the hell is going on even though they said they did they didn't because I remember back when these first started happening nobody knew what to do they were replacing head gaskets with that wasn't fixing anything and then they eventually learned with the 1.5 L it was just the block but the 1.6 L and the 2.0 L they were actually having issues with how they were routed into the cylinder head as well so that had to be designed different
1.6 Ecoboosts were notorious for fires. Many recalled in Spain, South Africa and New Zealand.
Scotty Kilmer seems to be the car Caren of mechanics. Whining, righteous, and flat out wrong. 🙄
If Scotty is going to dispence advice like lollies, You would think he would make some attempt to be accurate. But no!
Thank you Rick 🙏for standing up for decent hard working Techs. 👍😊
There seems to be a problem with turbos on engines across all brands now. Even on Toyota‘s new tundra, The new engine in that is a twin turbo v6 and I read they’re having problems with the turbo on that now
Yep and having to pull the cab to service them