Troy will always have a special place in my heart. That first time working at the ride as an operator, goosebumps. Riding it is amazing, especially during the late opening hours during Halloween. Riding it between 23:00 and 00:00 when its been running for 13 to 14 hours straight. Just amazing.
never let bro cook again. Joke aside it's really interesting to see how people from US think about our coasters, but it really shows how much different your taste is compared to the german coaster community. Thanks for the controversial yet really fun to watch ranking
I never visited the Europapark but this is my personal Top 10: 1. Schwur des Kärnan 2. Taron 3. Colossos 4. Flug der Dämonen 5. F.L.Y. 6. Black Mamba 7. Fluch von Novgorod 8. Karacho 9. Colorado Adventure 10. Krake
Living in the center of a triangle between Holiday Park, Tripstrill and Europa Park, I am glad to see my favourite weekend coasters being so well received by fellow enthusiasts around the globe. Thanks for the list
@@arturobianco848Not only coasters...its also the best spot for indoor water parks and makes me jealous every time as a person from east germany where it is the complete opposite.
@@marzok9632 Yeah i guess Belantis and Plhon are the only 2 real parks you have over there. I'm lucky myself i live near eindhoven in the Netherlands got 5 good parks within a 2 hour drive and 3 more decent ones.
@@arturobianco848 yes and its not even only that. Also if we are looking for smaller parks, there is much(!) more variety in west Germany or the benelux, while BELANTIS on the other hand is by far the worst park in terms of investments (it only added one single attraction in the last 9 years - and this was a tiny kids only top spin, while i'am not even talking about coasters...).
16:52 Damn u ... And I thought there was finally someone who appreciated the qualities of the good ol' Bandit! 🤣 If it's too rough, you're too weak! 😎🎢
Really great ranking and very similar to mine. Taron is still my favourite coaster in the world and the reason for that - you perfectly nailed it - is because it is endless re-rideable and a full package experience only a handful of other coasters can offer.
Great list and nice of you to put Toverland to Germany, it is such a nice and charming park and would be a great addition to germans park list. But it totaly belongs in the nethterlands it has a lot of the typical charme this land has.
I loved this video, I also loved that you reaffirmed my assertion to my six year old daughter that she rode one of the best rollercoasters in the world in voltron this summer!
Nice ranking! Taron is my favorite roller coaster, it got me into being an enthusiast and it's the coaster that makes me so happy even like the 60th time I rode it, I can lap it 13 times and it won't get bored. Even if coasters are objectively better I think taron will be my favorite coaster for ever
I agree on Kärnan, the layout falls off after the first third :/ the first part is really good tho F.L.Y takes the #1 for me. It felt like riding a rollercoaster for the first time again Taron made me a coaster fan. Its often forgotten about but its so great. Every Winter when i get my annual nightrides on it it shoots up the list again, overtaking most of the new credits i made over the year. I love it
Thats I have ridden in Germany 1: Voltron 2: F.L.Y. 3: Kärnan yes this ride has good forcess! 4: Taron 5: Wodan 6: Colossos 7: Star Trek 8: silverstar 9: Blue fire 10: Black Mamba
I love this list as i live in the UK so pretty close to Germany and I'm getting a car soon so that means i can make the 7+ hour drive to all those theme parks❤❤❤
For a second I thought Colorado Adventure was my favorite ride at Phantasialand. But that was mostly because it surprised me that much. Next day I rode taron again, and it obviously beat it.
Awesome video, Teeroy! Voltron , Taron, and FLY are some of the coasters on my bucket list, so it was fun seeing where they rank on your list. I’m curious about your Top 25 Wooden Roller Coasters, especially now that you’re back from Europe.
14:34 I rode this roller coaster before and it was my first time and I was completely blackout I was so scared but I wish to ride it again since I live here in Germany
I‘m so glad that my favorite woody Kolossos at Heide Park is on this list! ..But I missed Star Trek: Operation Enterprise at Movie Park which is a pretty neat Coaster too
Im so glad that live 30 mins away to Holiday Park :D. Thanks for this amazing Top-List Teeroy! From what I can tell you should go to visit Energylandia one Day with their wooden coaster Zadra which I heard is great, and try the Hyperion a great intamin Hyper. (Ofc with a revisit of Germany)
It’s nice you are enjoying my homepark toverland! You should definitely visit it during Halloween because the park stays open till 11 in the evening! You can get insane rides on Troy with the track being so warm you fly out of your seat! It’s honestly amazing!
Coaster Number One: "That ride is Bandit at Movie Park Germany, baby. The best fucking roller coaster I've ever been in my life!" I was shocked for a moment. But it was worth the joke😂
Let's hope that Europa-Park will fix the little problems with Voltron's ride comfort. This would make it even better than it already is. It's absolutely insane, and the only coaster so far which made me smiling even days after I took my first ride on it.
I'm surprised you had Troy so high despite ranking the hansa coasters low due to roughness, but each to their own! Always interesting to see different takes
I can handle wooden coaster roughness a lot more than steel coaster roughness since it’s almost to be expected, and my issue with Kärnan is more about the layout than the roughness, although it definitely could be smoother
interesting, it seems you don't mind rides being quite short and also don't mind a little roughness (e.g. Karacho and Voltron are both famously quite rattly - i find both kind of nasty to ride). I have a total sweet spot for EGF as well. I think it is always a great sign of quality when you watch people coming out of the exit and they are all cheering and laughing - that is kind of my meter how I rate these rides. EGF definitely does that to people, it is a really successful piece of coaster design, maybe indeed one of the best in the world. EGF is also a favorite since when positive Gs get too strong I tend to get nauseous (which is why e.g. "Black Mamba" is not at the top of my list).
Voltron has a top layout. But ther is nothing to compare it with. Funny story at the iaapa 2022 or 21 intamin was announcing a vertical launch. But mackrides thought hold mi beer we go beyond😂
My top ten 10: Fluch von novgorod 9: El toro 8: Colossus 7: F.L.Y 6: Blue fire 5: Voltron 4: Sliver star 3: Expedition GeForce 2: Taron 1: Schwür des Kärnan
Ive seen a few absolute pearls here which received criticism about stuff like restraints or the layout. To me restraints are just restraints and some of these coasters had really nice and even awesome layouts to me. It feels a bit like nitpicking to me. But eh, this once again proves ranking and ''the best'' or ''better then'' is absolutely personal and not a fixed fact.
1. Expedition G-force 2. Blue Fire 3. Hals über Kopf 4. Expedition Enterprise 6. Taron 5. Voltron (too shaky for higher places) 7. Karacho (also even more too shaky for higher places) ...
Man I really disagree with your list, but happy to hear you had such a good time on your trip. Colossos really blows imo. That's not even in my top 15 in Germany.
I like your list, you got some nice but controversal takes. As someone who lives in Germany and has been to all of this parks I need to show my top 25: 25: Winjas 24: Sky Scream 23: Eurosat 22: Colorado Adventure 21: Movie Park Studio Tour 20: Nessie 19: Krake 18: Desert Race 17: Black Mamba 16: Wodan 15: Silver Star 14: Hals über Kopf 13: Blue Fire 12: Star Trek 11: Fly 10: Troy 9: Fenix 8: Flug der Dämonen 7: Fluch von Novgorod 6: Karacho 5: Colossos 4: Expedition GeForce 3: Taron 2: Schwur des Kärnan 1: Voltron
Honestly Kärnans placement doesn’t even seem like as much of a hot take compared to the two coasters placed before it, which I’ve never seen get as much praise
Haven't done voltron yet but i'm pretty sure thats gonna be my nr 1 from the parks you've done to. And either you really don't like gertslauers or you had a bad day in Hansapark both of them are way higher in my opnion. But then my list looks almost completly differnt like cancan caoster wouldn't even made the top 25. Looks like your more airtime focussed then i am. I do agree with most of youre comments on the coasters except for cancan and the 2 Gerstlauers in HansaPark. O and i don't think Krakken is that good still a nice coaster though but i think you have a different opnion of it if you have to wait 45 minutes to ride it. I got lucky and had 10 rides on it without even leaving the station so yeah if that happens its a great experience.
This list is CRAZYYYY the unthemed mess that is Voltron at 1 and no Crazy Bats (Is it an amazing coaster? No! Is it better than Movie Park Studios?? YESSS 😭😭) or Winjas and FLY so low?? Phantasialand was robbed thank god this is just ur opinion LMAOO 🙏💀
The 3 shout-outs to Toverland, I absolutely couldn't agree more, but as we're talking about the Netherlands (not Germany), not to include Baron 1898 on this list is almost a hate crime. Apart from the massive Geography fluff up, awesome video
The video is only based on rides I experienced during my trip, and Toverland was the only Dutch park I visited. I’d love to visit the Efteling some day though!
@@ThemeParkTeeroy I'm just pulling your leg. I loved this video. Honestly, get to the Efteling. It's really amazing. The theming is something else. I'm in the U.K. but us Europeans love a park meet-up.
Also, if we're talking about intense terrain B&M inverts like Black Mamba, come to Alton Towers in England to ride Nemesis. Nothing else like it on the planet
I did all of these rides (Except Voltron...) and also most of the major US rides. So... You're excited for El Toro after experiencing Colossos ? WELL YOU CAN BE!!! Colossus doesn't even being to compare to El Toro. Colossus first drop is disappointing as hell because they made it straight track (why....), then you have two great hills, annnd.... the ride is basically over. Like seriously. The U turn is boring, and return trip is too drawn out you don't even get airtime or any decent forces (a little bit on the speed hill I guess), the helix is pointless and the last 3 hills are okay but not fast enough to be great. I was honestly disappointed by Colossos during my 2022 trip. El Toro is going to blow your mind out. The first drop at the back is the scariest and greatest first drop in the world and the whole ride is just a pure monster. Pro tip for El Toro : sit 2nd to last row (middle of last car) on the left. And try to keep some room between you and your restraint. You seems like a big woody fan, done Phoenix @ Knoebels yet ? that thing first row is pure standing airtime bliss. And imo Mystic Timbers @ Kings Island is the best GCI (I haven't done all of them yet tho, but I did a lot). I 100% agree with you about EGF, it's the oldschool king, waaaay ahead of it's time, can't wait to go back. Goliath @ Walibi Holland is a pretty solid too in the same fashion. PS : Nessie back row after the MCBR with some restraint room... wild. Also if you hands up your can kinda lock yourself in Eurofighters restraint with your shoulders (and maybe lean a bit forward), makes things a whole lot better (at least for me, never had these issue you mentioned except with Mystery Mine @ Dollywood... I would even say I prefer the over the shoulder over their new lap bars like Karnan that crush your thighs because the seat aren't long enough to go all the way to your knee bend).
Troy will always have a special place in my heart. That first time working at the ride as an operator, goosebumps. Riding it is amazing, especially during the late opening hours during Halloween. Riding it between 23:00 and 00:00 when its been running for 13 to 14 hours straight. Just amazing.
never let bro cook again. Joke aside it's really interesting to see how people from US think about our coasters, but it really shows how much different your taste is compared to the german coaster community. Thanks for the controversial yet really fun to watch ranking
Who tf let me cook 💀
I never visited the Europapark but this is my personal Top 10:
1. Schwur des Kärnan
2. Taron
3. Colossos
4. Flug der Dämonen
5. F.L.Y.
6. Black Mamba
7. Fluch von Novgorod
8. Karacho
9. Colorado Adventure
10. Krake
Living in the center of a triangle between Holiday Park, Tripstrill and Europa Park, I am glad to see my favourite weekend coasters being so well received by fellow enthusiasts around the globe. Thanks for the list
Thats a nice spot to live if you like coasters or good theming (well holiday park isn't that great at theming but they seem to be improving on it.
@@arturobianco848Not only coasters...its also the best spot for indoor water parks and makes me jealous every time as a person from east germany where it is the complete opposite.
@@marzok9632 Yeah i guess Belantis and Plhon are the only 2 real parks you have over there. I'm lucky myself i live near eindhoven in the Netherlands got 5 good parks within a 2 hour drive and 3 more decent ones.
@@arturobianco848 yes and its not even only that. Also if we are looking for smaller parks, there is much(!) more variety in west Germany or the benelux, while BELANTIS on the other hand is by far the worst park in terms of investments (it only added one single attraction in the last 9 years - and this was a tiny kids only top spin, while i'am not even talking about coasters...).
I live in a similar situation in the UK between thorpe park and Alton towers
I disagree with almost all of your opinions ngl but great video! Love how you're not afraid to express your own opinions:)
That’s the fun part of this hobby! Everyone has different opinions and ways of enjoying things 😊
16:52 Damn u ...
And I thought there was finally someone who appreciated the qualities of the good ol' Bandit! 🤣
If it's too rough, you're too weak! 😎🎢
Really great ranking and very similar to mine. Taron is still my favourite coaster in the world and the reason for that - you perfectly nailed it - is because it is endless re-rideable and a full package experience only a handful of other coasters can offer.
16:40 this is funny because Holiday Park sells merch that says ''I am only here for Expedition Geforce''
And then they say Germanes don't have a sence of humor.
Great list and nice of you to put Toverland to Germany, it is such a nice and charming park and would be a great addition to germans park list. But it totaly belongs in the nethterlands it has a lot of the typical charme this land has.
And Bandit as number one? Yeah! That´s where Bandit belongs.... 🤣
wow krake over Flug Der Dämonen? And Kärnan so low? This Hurts me a bit as someone who lives in Lübeck but still awesome list!
Der Typ hat halt keinen Dunst.kârnan auf 1 ganz klar
I loved this video, I also loved that you reaffirmed my assertion to my six year old daughter that she rode one of the best rollercoasters in the world in voltron this summer!
But Toverland isn’t in Germany xD but agree with almost every take on this list
I know haha but “Top 25 Coasters in Germany and one park in the Netherlands” doesn’t have the same ring to it 😂
@@ThemeParkTeeroy we're actually not completely clear on that ourselves. are the dutch swamp germans, or are the germans mountain dutch?
Maybe because toverland is so close to Germany this maker decided to include it
@@Phasmowatchereven Wildlands Emmen is closer to the border than Toverland.
@@Thrillingexplorer Yeah... 4 km.. Congrats
Nice ranking!
Taron is my favorite roller coaster, it got me into being an enthusiast and it's the coaster that makes me so happy even like the 60th time I rode it, I can lap it 13 times and it won't get bored.
Even if coasters are objectively better I think taron will be my favorite coaster for ever
Always a pleasure to see this beautiful machines ❤
I agree on Kärnan, the layout falls off after the first third :/ the first part is really good tho
F.L.Y takes the #1 for me. It felt like riding a rollercoaster for the first time again
Taron made me a coaster fan. Its often forgotten about but its so great. Every Winter when i get my annual nightrides on it it shoots up the list again, overtaking most of the new credits i made over the year. I love it
Love your content! ❤ Greetings from Switzerland
AWESOME video, man! Every time one of your videos pops up in my feed, it's THE FIRST video I watch! BRILLIANT channel! Cheers!
Thats I have ridden in Germany
1: Voltron
2: F.L.Y.
3: Kärnan yes this ride has good forcess!
4: Taron
5: Wodan
6: Colossos
7: Star Trek
8: silverstar
9: Blue fire
10: Black Mamba
I love this list as i live in the UK so pretty close to Germany and I'm getting a car soon so that means i can make the 7+ hour drive to all those theme parks❤❤❤
I did the same thing but vice versa xD dont be scared to drive on the other side of the road you get used to it after like 10 minutes
@@clubstep8244 lol thanks mate
For a second I thought Colorado Adventure was my favorite ride at Phantasialand. But that was mostly because it surprised me that much. Next day I rode taron again, and it obviously beat it.
Bandit with a deserved number 1. Real recognize real.
16:53 HAHAHA THAT KILLS ME 😂(I am every week at movie park Germany and yeah I ride this coaster every week too…..)
interesting ranking, with some crazy ranks :D
Awesome video, Teeroy! Voltron , Taron, and FLY are some of the coasters on my bucket list, so it was fun seeing where they rank on your list.
I’m curious about your Top 25 Wooden Roller Coasters, especially now that you’re back from Europe.
I plan on doing some ranking videos at the end of the year so that may end up being one of them! 😊
14:34 I rode this roller coaster before and it was my first time and I was completely blackout I was so scared but I wish to ride it again since I live here in Germany
I‘m so glad that my favorite woody Kolossos at Heide Park is on this list!
..But I missed Star Trek: Operation Enterprise at Movie Park which is a pretty neat Coaster too
Im so glad that live 30 mins away to Holiday Park :D.
Thanks for this amazing Top-List Teeroy!
From what I can tell you should go to visit Energylandia one Day with their wooden coaster Zadra which I heard is great, and try the Hyperion a great intamin Hyper. (Ofc with a revisit of Germany)
It’s nice you are enjoying my homepark toverland! You should definitely visit it during Halloween because the park stays open till 11 in the evening! You can get insane rides on Troy with the track being so warm you fly out of your seat! It’s honestly amazing!
Dude you should come to the UK we have great parks like thorpe park and Alton towers
9:04 nice statement! So who builts this in a good way?
And those night.rides at Voltron during Halloween season should be next level!
You kill me, with Kärnan at 10th place.😪
I rode 13 of them. My favourites are (no order): Colossos, Dverwelwind, Silverstar, Star Trek Operation Enterprise
Coaster Number One: "That ride is Bandit at Movie Park Germany, baby. The best fucking roller coaster I've ever been in my life!" I was shocked for a moment. But it was worth the joke😂
Let's hope that Europa-Park will fix the little problems with Voltron's ride comfort. This would make it even better than it already is. It's absolutely insane, and the only coaster so far which made me smiling even days after I took my first ride on it.
I love Voltron nevera so much!
I'm surprised you had Troy so high despite ranking the hansa coasters low due to roughness, but each to their own! Always interesting to see different takes
I can handle wooden coaster roughness a lot more than steel coaster roughness since it’s almost to be expected, and my issue with Kärnan is more about the layout than the roughness, although it definitely could be smoother
@@ThemeParkTeeroymakes sense, karnan seems a bit like marmite to be fair I’ve heard a lot of people aren’t a huge fan
interesting, it seems you don't mind rides being quite short and also don't mind a little roughness (e.g. Karacho and Voltron are both famously quite rattly - i find both kind of nasty to ride). I have a total sweet spot for EGF as well. I think it is always a great sign of quality when you watch people coming out of the exit and they are all cheering and laughing - that is kind of my meter how I rate these rides. EGF definitely does that to people, it is a really successful piece of coaster design, maybe indeed one of the best in the world.
EGF is also a favorite since when positive Gs get too strong I tend to get nauseous (which is why e.g. "Black Mamba" is not at the top of my list).
I already knew what would be #1 before watching 😂 my guess was correct 😂
Voltron has a top layout. But ther is nothing to compare it with. Funny story at the iaapa 2022 or 21 intamin was announcing a vertical launch. But mackrides thought hold mi beer we go beyond😂
Fly at night is unbelievable
5:00 i know that feeling
Voltron First Row is insane
28 mins ago
My recommended page likes you haha
I have to agree concerning Kärnan (though you are so wrong about Novgorod;-)). It looks great, but it beats you up sooo bad.
My top ten
10: Fluch von novgorod
9: El toro
8: Colossus
7: F.L.Y
6: Blue fire
5: Voltron
4: Sliver star
3: Expedition GeForce
2: Taron
1: Schwür des Kärnan
My List:
1. Voltron Nevera
2. Kärnan
3. F.L.Y.
4. Taron
5. Expedition Geforce
6. Colossos
7. Karacho
8. Silverstar
9. Flucht von Novgorod
10. Black Mamba
I live in the netherlands and i got to toverland and i thought the fenix was a kids ride😂😅(i was 7)
Ive seen a few absolute pearls here which received criticism about stuff like restraints or the layout. To me restraints are just restraints and some of these coasters had really nice and even awesome layouts to me. It feels a bit like nitpicking to me. But eh, this once again proves ranking and ''the best'' or ''better then'' is absolutely personal and not a fixed fact.
1. Expedition G-force
2. Blue Fire
3. Hals über Kopf
4. Expedition Enterprise
6. Taron
5. Voltron (too shaky for higher places)
7. Karacho (also even more too shaky for higher places)
...
Man I really disagree with your list, but happy to hear you had such a good time on your trip. Colossos really blows imo. That's not even in my top 15 in Germany.
I like your list, you got some nice but controversal takes. As someone who lives in Germany and has been to all of this parks I need to show my top 25:
25: Winjas
24: Sky Scream
23: Eurosat
22: Colorado Adventure
21: Movie Park Studio Tour
20: Nessie
19: Krake
18: Desert Race
17: Black Mamba
16: Wodan
15: Silver Star
14: Hals über Kopf
13: Blue Fire
12: Star Trek
11: Fly
10: Troy
9: Fenix
8: Flug der Dämonen
7: Fluch von Novgorod
6: Karacho
5: Colossos
4: Expedition GeForce
3: Taron
2: Schwur des Kärnan
1: Voltron
What about Freischütz?
Well don't just leave us hanging...what's the one ride in the world you like better than Voltron?
Why do people have Taron so high its absolutely forceless, it has great theming though but I was so extremely underwhelmed by this ride :(
Honestly Kärnans placement doesn’t even seem like as much of a hot take compared to the two coasters placed before it, which I’ve never seen get as much praise
Haven't done voltron yet but i'm pretty sure thats gonna be my nr 1 from the parks you've done to. And either you really don't like gertslauers or you had a bad day in Hansapark both of them are way higher in my opnion. But then my list looks almost completly differnt like cancan caoster wouldn't even made the top 25. Looks like your more airtime focussed then i am. I do agree with most of youre comments on the coasters except for cancan and the 2 Gerstlauers in HansaPark. O and i don't think Krakken is that good still a nice coaster though but i think you have a different opnion of it if you have to wait 45 minutes to ride it. I got lucky and had 10 rides on it without even leaving the station so yeah if that happens its a great experience.
I agree with bandit, the best fucking ride in the whole world
Where is Ba-a-a Express? number 1 no?
Ah shit you’re right, I’ve gotta delete this vid and reupload it with the correct list
Voltron is just fun
Novgorod on 21 is definitive criminel i rode this coaster at least 70 times and i had propably 2 times headbanging
This list is CRAZYYYY the unthemed mess that is Voltron at 1 and no Crazy Bats (Is it an amazing coaster? No! Is it better than Movie Park Studios?? YESSS 😭😭) or Winjas and FLY so low?? Phantasialand was robbed thank god this is just ur opinion LMAOO 🙏💀
EGF ❤
Fluch von Novgorod on 21 and Schwur des Kärnan on 10th is inhumane.
The 3 shout-outs to Toverland, I absolutely couldn't agree more, but as we're talking about the Netherlands (not Germany), not to include Baron 1898 on this list is almost a hate crime. Apart from the massive Geography fluff up, awesome video
The video is only based on rides I experienced during my trip, and Toverland was the only Dutch park I visited. I’d love to visit the Efteling some day though!
@@ThemeParkTeeroy I'm just pulling your leg. I loved this video. Honestly, get to the Efteling. It's really amazing. The theming is something else. I'm in the U.K. but us Europeans love a park meet-up.
Toverland is in the Netherlands
Voltron NEVERA is cooked asf i ride it that was goddamn crazy Europa park in Rust is the best themepark in germany trust me❤
Toverland is in the netherlands
Blue fire diserves more
Also, if we're talking about intense terrain B&M inverts like Black Mamba, come to Alton Towers in England to ride Nemesis. Nothing else like it on the planet
Germany conquered Toverland
Can Can über Silverstar ist Crazy hahahahahah -100 Aura
I did all of these rides (Except Voltron...) and also most of the major US rides.
So... You're excited for El Toro after experiencing Colossos ? WELL YOU CAN BE!!!
Colossus doesn't even being to compare to El Toro.
Colossus first drop is disappointing as hell because they made it straight track (why....), then you have two great hills, annnd.... the ride is basically over.
Like seriously. The U turn is boring, and return trip is too drawn out you don't even get airtime or any decent forces (a little bit on the speed hill I guess), the helix is pointless and the last 3 hills are okay but not fast enough to be great.
I was honestly disappointed by Colossos during my 2022 trip.
El Toro is going to blow your mind out. The first drop at the back is the scariest and greatest first drop in the world and the whole ride is just a pure monster.
Pro tip for El Toro : sit 2nd to last row (middle of last car) on the left. And try to keep some room between you and your restraint.
You seems like a big woody fan, done Phoenix @ Knoebels yet ? that thing first row is pure standing airtime bliss.
And imo Mystic Timbers @ Kings Island is the best GCI (I haven't done all of them yet tho, but I did a lot).
I 100% agree with you about EGF, it's the oldschool king, waaaay ahead of it's time, can't wait to go back. Goliath @ Walibi Holland is a pretty solid too in the same fashion.
PS : Nessie back row after the MCBR with some restraint room... wild. Also if you hands up your can kinda lock yourself in Eurofighters restraint with your shoulders (and maybe lean a bit forward), makes things a whole lot better (at least for me, never had these issue you mentioned except with Mystery Mine @ Dollywood... I would even say I prefer the over the shoulder over their new lap bars like Karnan that crush your thighs because the seat aren't long enough to go all the way to your knee bend).
I mean, why so positive about Troy, it has become extremely rough and lame over the years and it isn't even a top 10 for me anymore
Mammut not that enjoyable to ride when your legs are too long and you bang your knee at the front the whole ride.
Venom