hello just a few things i wanna mention! firstly, i forgot to say in this video that this behavior and others are obviously very apparent in other labels with other artists too so if you’re interested in the deep dive of another company please let me know! second, a lot of people are commenting about things i “missed” about one direction that were actually covered, like i said, in another video so check that one out for the full rundown on 1D! ruclips.net/video/n-RDE35BrZ4/видео.html third, i will be doing a video highlighting very specific industry-related issues in general such as racism and misogyny that weren’t fully touched here, there’s so much to cover there and i want enough time to address it last, i know these artists have spoken so much more about issues under syco and not every event was covered, it’s just a long video which is why i encourage different fandoms to share their stories! but thank you again for watching! i hope you enjoy and i’m sure i’ll have to pop up again to clear any mistakes that may arise, i try my best tweet me here! @jaszade and insta here: @jasminezade ily
Something you didn’t mention about little mix was after they toured their second album they made a new album that was set to come out at the end of 2014 but their label told them to scrap the entire album bc it wasn’t good enough. They had to completely redo the album, and got very little say in it. That’s why there was almost a year between the end of the salute tour and black magic (the lead single for get weird) being released
and all the racism that Jade, Leigh-Anne and Zayn faced. Like editing pictures of jade to make her look less arab, literally all the comments about leigh anne and the terrorism jokes surrounding zayn
little mix have never been silent about it, people just kept on ignoring them. As soon as 1d was mentioned then people started paying attention, not hating i'm glad people are FINALLY listening but y'all ignored them for years.
i think it’s so important that you talked about westlife, leona, and rebecca so many people overlook them to talk about LM and 1D only when they’ve had the same experiences too
I’m so glad that people are starting to listen about the things that lm, 1d, 5h, etc went through; because little mix has been exposing syco for years. But no one listened
I find it funny that little mix have achieved so much broken many records but are still really disregard/disrespected, they are one of the only groups where all of them can sing, dance and harmonies + little mix had another album after salute but it got scraped so all their work had to be put into another one which became get weird.
the fact is little mix have been in this industry for almost 10 years and they're still breaking records and making history. they are the biggest girlgroup right now we can't deny it. what more if they were being treated and promoted well by their labels and management?
little mix has never been silent and thats why they never got their america promo. insane how talented and successful they are even without america; they deserve even more broken records. damn shame that colombia records isn't doing anything for them rn either
i remember during their Move era, in 2014 they'll tour in North America but got cancelled. Wasted opportunity. good thing they toured here in Manila once and i missed them.
@@wynignatius9289 it got cancelled because syco wanted them to work on their new album that they then scrapped and forced them to make another one because the first one “wasn’t pop enough”
When Zayn left One Direction they wrote his exit statement about wanting to be " a normal 22 year old" Zayn said he never signed off on the statement and didn't see until it was already posted. He said the reason they posted that statement was to SABOTAGE HIS SOLO CAREER and to a degree it worked. To this day fans say Zayn lied about wanting to live a normal life when he planned to launch a solo career, when he said no such thing.
definitely worked at that time. so many ppl were pissed that he said first he wanted to be normal and then when he went solo they were mad why he didnt stay with the guys. and i was one fo them to an extent, upset about it. and now thinking about it being 24, such a horrible thing of grown (mostly men) to do to a 22 year old guy whos not had time to even figure out anything for himself when his past years have been just work after work.
Exactly! If they had taken the time to watch Zane Lowe’s interview with Zayn, that’s the first thing he addressed. He said he never wrote it but ppl were too far up their own selfishness to realize Zayn was a human being who also had one shot at life. Why must he be miserable just because he makes millions??? Money isn’t the source of happiness
as a little mix fan, I'd like to clarify that Little Mix had to scrap their original 2nd album because syco didn't approve so then "salute" was born. same thing happened with "get weird": by that time, they were missing deadlines and they'd be dropped out of the label if they didn't have a solid single and an album concept as well, that's why there was a long off-period for little mix in 2014- 2015. again, they scrapped the 3rd original album before "Get Weird" was announced. Technically, Black Magic saved their career
Little Mix were literally created to be a visual group. The girls mentioned that they were only put together because they were all the same height not because of their vocals skills. I presume their purpose was to originally just sell their image but I'm glad that their talent got recognised
I honestly credit Kelly Rowland for Little Mix being Little Mix. She was pressed them hard on their harmonies and their vocals because she felt that they blended so well.
35:04 YES! Little mix had so much potential to be the biggest girl group in the world, but their label didn't believe in them. They didn't want little mix to write their songs, and only wanted them to be a bubble gum pop girl group. Everything they have and still will accomplish it's their merit. It doesn't how much you work, if your own label don't invest in you, you can't succeed.
@@naomistein8900 yes, they. But maybe they could've developed a much bigger success if given the chance. I'm talking about number 1 charts all over the world, they said in a recent interview that they don't care about numbers, and I think consistency is far more important than having a lot of views and streams, but I can't help to feel like they were robbed a little bit.
I fucking love Little Mix I've been a proud supporter since there X Factor days and I'm happy they got there popularity, but I wished they really got popular by breaking into the US market
Also little mix got told by syco that they had to only release “bubblegum pop” music bc that’s what would sell from a girl group. Also Perrie opened up in an interview and said that she got such bad anxiety from constantly being in the road that she couldn’t spend 20 minutes at home alone without having a panic attack
@@fearless15 he did after they broke up. she had to stay in her bandmates’ homes interchangeably(she dont want to intrude and stay for too long even though theyre all like sisters) until she had her own home.
@@fearless15 since many people say “shes rich, she can just buy a home. why would you pity her for being homeless?” , i would like to clarify that it is not a 1hr-1week process of having a house. also, because of being kicked out, she developed severe anxiety that she cannot be alone(which has gotten better). so if she’s alone at home, or in a room(anywhere) she will act out, even go as far to a panic attack.
The clip of liam saying that he didnt know who he was and that the band "would've killed him" gets me everytime. Zayn left for his own wellbeing & health and liam openly said it would've killed him of they kept going. Its absolutely insane how people were so money-hungry they put such young people through hell.
liam literally became an alcoholic and zayn was so frail while he was in 1D. As much as I would love to see a reunion with all of them, I don't want to support it if it's just lining the pockets of the people that made them miserable.
@@namjoonie936 I'm a mixer but I didn't know what syco is. I know of Simon Cowell (who doesn't) and X Factor (again who doesn't). I was aware that Little Mix was under him but I had no idea of Syco Entertainment.
Thank you so much for this video Jasmine, and also for including Fifth Harmony in it. I'm a Directioner and a Harmonizer, and while people are ready to talk about One Direction's mistreatment, I often see people conveniently forget that Fifth Harmony was mistreated so badly. All the girls have spoken out a lot about it (there are endless clips of Lauren telling people to "read their contracts" and she talks a lot, especially now, about how she feels like a bird that's been let out of a cage). I've found that people criticize and make fun of One Direction and Fifth Harmony for not writing all of their songs (especially Fifth Harmony who only really have writing credits on their last album) but don't understand that they never really had a choice. Also, you were definitely right about how much all these artists were mistreated, especially when it came to new music and tours- Fifth Harmony's 3rd album was released only 2 and a half years after the release of Reflection, and when asked about what keeps them going, Lauren literally said "our contract". One last thing, Camila's name is pronounced Cam-EE-la, not Cam-ILL-a, just so you know. Thanks for the video!!!
i did see those clips where lauren openly kept mentioning contracts those were brave comments of hers it was clear she was struggling and wasn’t afraid to say it, thank you for the comment and the name pronunciation
@@agirlwhoeatscarrots2211 yeah, that was also so bad. I hope that if there is a reunion, that they're treated well, and if there isn't, then I'm fine with it as long as they're all happy. They never got a break when they were in the band and seeing them happy is all I want.
it is extremely painful for someone like me (who's been a solid Directioner since 2010) to say this, but Harry, Louis, Liam, Niall, and Zayn are literally better off apart than together as a band. they've suffered enough. they were minors (except Lou) when they were made to sign their contracts. imagine the mixed emotions that had overwhelmed them at that point when they practically had no idea just what they were signing up for. our poor lads 💔
exactly! and there’s also just the general excitement of being around 16 and knowing you’re about to achieve your dream of singing and being naive because you haven’t been exposed to the dangers yet :(
Little mix done 3 tours in 2017 which were first the Ariana grande dangerous women tour, then they done their summer shout-out tour and then went into their glory days tour.
i think the reason why little mix is so successful is because all the members of little mix would still be friends with each other even if they all weren't put in a band together, if that makes sense? even when I was younger I could notice that the friendships between the four of them had more of a sincere vibe compared to one direction and fifth harmony. hell even now with jesy gone, they all are still successful and friends
all sycos bands were made to be successful, but little mix was the only one made to last, and the other two band breakups were inevitable. fifth harmony and one direction members had very different ideas of the music they wanted to make and what they wanted to do with their lives while little mix didn't. jesy also left because she had to in a breakup which at least seems calm and on good terms.
Zayn also had eating disordes which gotten to a very VERY dangerous point. We also need to talk about how Louis just annunced that he will start his own music industry and HOW MUCH the fans are proud of him... Thank you for this video! This was really really helpful to see the other side of the bands.
Every time I think of Jedward talking about xfactor, I hear Louis’s voice from the This is Us movie say, “we’ve had so much fun here on the xfactor” in THE MOST sarcastic voice.
This video is straight up facts. I can’t understand why people assume just because you become famous you have no problems and aren’t being taken advantage of. When you speak up people assume you have money and signed contracts so you knowingly asked for the abuse. Can you do a video about Taylor and her contracts and touring schedules throughout her time at Big Machine❓
Its easy to hate on rich people. It's easy to print fingers and say... "We have it harder! Stop complaining!😡 At least youre rich!😠" The funny part is that many groups don't even get paid what they're supposed to. I mean look at 5h. The suffering groups go through is just too much. Might as well give up on you're dreams if you're just gonna be treated like an animal.
this video is so well-formatted!! you being able to acknowledge that simon was super, super creative and successful while also emphasizing the ab*se and mistreatment is really important. we can’t overlook the success part because that power is part of the problem. amazing job 💞
I really wanna see you talk about Little Mix and their whole journey w syco cos there is SO MUCH information, like the racism Jade and Leigh-Anne faced, Jesy’s mental health (her documentary, her being bullied so badly on the internet, her leaving because of her mental health,etc); Perrie’s anxiety (especially after the breakup w Zayn), the fact that they were sabotaged on multiple occasions (microphones switched off, earpieces not working, no promo,etc); Jade being made to look as white as possible cos she was white passing, Leigh being forgotten and the fact that she felt invisible; then forced into doing songs that they hated (ex: beep beep, Jade said that she couldn’t believe they still had to do it; oops ft Charlie Puth, etc), also being body shamed on national television, the whole Charlie Puth wouldn’t stop flirting w Jade even tho she was in a relationship, and so much more
they were also forced to do a lot of their collabs touch ft kid ink nmss ft mgk power ft stormzy (i’m not too sure about this,i actually think this is one of the only male features where they actually wanted him on the song,also because of the meaning of his verse) secret love song ft jason derulo (they weren’t forced to make the song itself,the original one was supposed to be the part 2 but the label put jason on it without the girls knowing)
I dunno if anyone else has covered this yet. But I believe Jade from little mix was forced to perform on a tour date the evening she lost a close relative (I believe it might be her grandfather). I think it's shocking that artists aren't even given the chance to mourn a significant loss.
@@abandonedhandrail4581 it wasn’t in 2019 in 2019 they were already under rca but yeah i believe it was her grandmother because her grandfather passed away when she was 13…
Zayn has also written countless songs while in the band that were never released because they didn’t fit the “brand” or the “boy band” type feel/vibe. I’m not sure the exact number of unreleased songs he wrote (correct me if I’m wrong) but I think it’s somewhere around 40 if I’m not mistaken.
Between the time of Little Mix's albums 'Salute' and 'Get Weird.' Which the timeline is: Salute-2013 and Get Weird-2015. Little Mix missed a year of releasing an album because they were almost dropped. So they had to write and record an entire album. They wrote 1 album before 'Get Weird.' They brought that album to the label, Syco, and they said that it wasn't good enough. So they had to do the whole process over again and the result was Get Weird.
You didn't mention that when Louis announced he left Syco last year he received SOOOO MANY congratulations messages (WHY WOULD ANYONE RECEIVE CONGRATS AND SUPPORTING TEXTS WHEN LEAVING THE LABEL? Here's why) ps. you explained it all very well!!!
can you make a video about dark side of fifth harmony and little mix like you did with one direction? I really like listen to you talking about this kind of stuff.
@@faishalb973 Fifth Harmony’s story is literally slept upon, Like Everyone in the comments are talking about Little Mix and One Direction but People don’t realize Fifth Harmony went through so much, before and after Camila left,I’m not comparing or anything but 5h went through a lot more than little mix
@@Bebe-dl5ts u are right, fifth harmony more dark than little mix and 1D, 1D are boys they can helping themself, Little mix is more mature and older than 1D & 5H, but fifth harmony? they very young, they really having a beautiful dream with 5 talented girls but what management do to them? very freaking dirty, they did them as sexual objects, slaves, money machine, and they even trauma for their perform’s schedule, that’s disgusting
Matt Cardle won X Factor in 2010. Rebecca was second and 1D were a distant 3rd in the voting. Simon hated Matt so much for beating 1D that he did everything he could to erase him and at least as far as recorded UK music, he has been successful. But Matt was never interested in being a pop star. He wanted to be a working musician and since he has a small but loyal following, he has been able to continue putting out great music, performing live and more recently via streaming. He has a great new single called We're the Butterflies.
i remember that there was even conversations that none of Dannii's acts should win because over the years a few of her acts had won, it was a shock when he signed 1D as they came 3rd and i don't think that happened before and they became huge.
can we discuss how as soon as Camila Cabello left 5H she got so much backing from the label meanwhile 5H got like 4 promo performances for an entire album cycle
Please I know right No hate to Camila or whatever but The girls deserved better, I feel bad for them, specially after Camila and her annoying fans shaded the girls.
i remember back in 2016, 5H released their album 7/27 on May 27 and not even a month after they started the 7/27 Tour in South America. i went to the 2nd date of the tour and the entire show was the same as the Reflection Tour (their previous tour), with only 6 songs from the new album, and 3 of them were added that same night because on the first date they only performed 3 SONGS FROM THE NEW ALBUM and all the fans were complaining on social media. They literally had to start a new tour with barely any rehearsals (cause after the album came out, they were obviously doing a lot of promo) and had to unexpectedly add 3 songs that they had never performed live and rehearse them on the same day of the show, because their team couldnt give them enough time to prepare a new show. Once that leg of the tour was over, they ended up creating a whole new show with the new album and started doing that one in the next leg of the tour. The entire situation was a whole mess and even tho i don't have any proof, there's no way it was their fault and not their teams fault cause they were constantly working non stop. (also, sorry for my english, its not my first language:))
a worth-while mention would also be Lauren Jauregui's unreleased song, Toy, which gives us way more input (along with all of the many other statements she's made) about the way she had been treated over the years. it's a badass song, but very sad when you think about it. they wanted to mold her into someone she clearly didn't want to be. this video was very informative and incredible !!
Let's not forget that Little Mix's ORIGINAL 3rd album was scrapped because "it wasn't good enough" and the girls had to work on another completely different album, which is Get Weird.
Can we talk about the fact that Little Mix wrote and recorded an entire album after "Salute", but their label scrapped it because it wasn't "good enough". They cancelled the us tour because they had to re-write and re-record a complete new album, which happened to be "Get Weird"
I paid more attention to this video than I do to any of my online lectures. Honestly, if you taught my algebra 2 class I would be a mathematical genius.
Girl groups always have it way worse...the mysoginy is disgusting. As a fan of BLACKPINK and Little Mix... is so sad how their label don't allow them to express themselves, and don't promote them accordingly
Every kpop group is given a certain image by their label to maintain throughout their career but it's better because sometimes their labels gives them solo projects like releasing solo music, magazine covers, events for them to do but they still have to maintain that image that their label has given them for each and every individual
Your faves chose the criminal organisation called YG even though they knew these facts because they wanted the benefits of easy fame due to media play they provide to them.
@@pennybleta2300 every kpop group has a standard and image to maintain, don't make it sound like only BTS doesn't have an image to maintain, every in the industry does have a certain image to maintain ,fellow ARMY
@@pennybleta2300 Blackpink's members became trainees when they were 10-12 years old, and I believe they got signed as artists back in 2016. At that time, YG was known as one of the biggest companies in South Korea (quite literally, the big 3). Much of the mistreatment their artists suffered (especially 2NE1) hadn't come to light yet, and although the big 3 were and are known for overworking, mistreating, and controlling their artists, it is generally thought to be a better career move than to sign with a small company that might do the same, but not bring any payoff. YG was also marketed as a less manufactured company at the time. The turning point for YG's image was the Burning Sun "scandal" (crime), and by then Blackpink, Ikon, and Winner were already signed. Their contracts last about 7 years, and since YG has a problem with being blacklisted by broadcasting agencies anyway, and Blackpink is currently their only breadwinner, it's very probable YG will sink hard if they don't sign with them after that. Point being, all companies Korean or otherwise, will screw you over no matter what their public image is.
Hey! This video was much needed! Side note Ally Brooke of Fifth Harmony talked about her struggling with alcohol during her 5H days in her new book “Finding Your Harmony” due to miss management/ over working from label execs.
didn’t Ally also say didn’t enjoy being in fifth harmony, (on her show) but us fans thought she was only one how enjoyed her time being in the group, that’s hurts a lot knowing we don’t Actually know the girls as we thought.
Jade at one point had a dislocated knee while performing and had to keep going, there was a time where Jesy had to perform in a wheel chair and Leigh-Anne had burned herself really badly but still went on stage after it
Me imagining Simon watching this with his social media team full of marketing experts and other people and how he realises this girl is damn correct.😌😂
It’s so sad that lm were told to “not write and just sing what was given to them” bc that’s literally wat 5H did for their first two albums it’s also why Camila left they only wrote the music on their third album and that’s when their label stopped promoting them :(
i was so scared to find out he took on prettymuch as a group under his label bc of what simon did to all of his other groups, but i’m happy that they’re doing their own thing now bc they’re a great creative collective on their own without him. i want them to find a place that allows them to do that, manages them well, and treats them with RESPECT
PRETTYMUCH, another boy band creation of Simon’s announced earlier this year that they are no longer under his label. They never specified why but after viewing this video, I know the answer. In the five years they’ve been a band, they’ve released 3 EP’s and were the opening act for Khalid back in 2018 but no one would know this because Syco failed in promoting them. They were in the same boat as LM in not having creative control. Members would delete tweets voicing their frustrations on being prohibited in releasing music and if we did get a single, it was generic pop that everyone was supposed to enjoy. Yet, like I said, Syco did a horrible job in getting these guys recognized by music lovers. With their new label called Sire, they have their first album (according to Apple Music), are able to showcase their other talents, and do more popular interviews compared to the ones they did before.
Amazing video and research! Also wanted to add in Lauren Jauregui from 5h saying in MULTIPLE INTERVIEWS and fan Q and As her best advice to upcoming artists is 'READ YOUR CONTRACTS A THOUSAND TIMES OVER, GET OTHER PEOPLE TO READ THEM TO YOU BUT READ YOUR CONTRACTS' x
i knew someoneone who had business dealings with simon cowell/syco and he said one thing in life you never want to do is join them...he literally said the contract was a slave contract...my mouth dropped open with shock ngl
something else about little mix is before get weird (after the salute tour) they made a new album but syco scrapped an entire album of work and made them create an entire new album which ended up being get weird (jade revealed this in a podcast)
I wonder why he signed with syco again after 1D broke up.. i’m sure they manipulated him into it by telling him he wouldn’t have been successful without them poor baby:(
13:13 beatlemania happened in the 60s actually! the members were not even a band until the late 50s and only actually became "the beatles" in 1960 - they only started getting widely popular in around 1963 :)
You should touch on Simon's first successful boyband. They were called 5ive. They were starting to make it big in the US (went double platinum). And were huge overseas (with 20 million in album sales). But they were over worked. The youngest had a mental breakdown which is what ended the group. And they were considered the bad boys of boy bands. Simon encouraged the bad boy behavior which was the other issue with the group. But before that they backed out of their tour with nsync due to exhaustion.They were so good and their story is interesting. I would have thought Simon would have learned from his mistakes with them. But nope!
36:56 don't even get me started in line distribution in fifth harmony songs, Lauren and Dinah received much less parts compared to the other girls and it's so infuriating! Dinah has a soulful voice and they probably think it didn't fit their bubble gum pop songs, my girl deserved so much better.
I am genuienly SO impressed because this must have taken FOREVER, so a huge applaud to you! You talked about so many artist that I didn't even know about/didn't even know that they were under syco, so thank you for talking about those artists as well, because I feel like people often only just talk about 1D, LM and 5H when talking about this topic and other artists get forgotten
ngl all the good people simon had on his label (FH, 1D, LM WL) and others left which means he wasn't really making no more money from the music. smh I'm glad they left when they did
Omgs I was ranting about homophobia in the music industry just recently with my friends. Thank you for explaining this so well! Now I can just send people this video, it's very useful and informative ❤
Also, I'd love to see a "the dark side of reality show competitions" and don't just talk about singing competitions, include stuff like cooking/baking competitions too!
@@lanadelneighh sorry that’s not what i meant haha, i just wouldn’t want anyone saying “oh it was worse for _____” because i don’t think that’s fair or like possible to even say
@@damonsalvatore7565 ohh i get it. however, the most sabotaged band in terms of career is indeed little mix. they took it professionally by promoting their music THEMSELVES. rewriting and scrapping 2 whole albums cause the label said “not pop enough”. other acts in terms of their musicality weren’t sabotaged as much as little mix.
Something I've always wondered is why did Louis re-sign with Syco for his solo career? Surely after everything they went through in 1D he'd move to a different record label, like all of the other boys did? Maybe I'm just missing something here. If someone could explain to me that'd be amazing! Great video by the way Jasmine, thank you :)
I'm not a directioner, or a Louis fan, idk his personality or heard any of his music; but the first explanation I come up with like with an abusive relationship, even when the victim knows it's bad and not right, they still stay. There's a feeling of "I can't survive/have no where else to go from here" Again IDK anything about Louis or his singing or his place in 1D, but maybe he thought that he couldn't get signed anywhere else? Like he wasn't good enough on his own (or on his own "yet") and believed he was in a "take what I can get" situation. I mean it's hard to get signed and maybe he thought on his own he wasn't enough of a singer like the others to get signed somewhere else so stayed with Syco
im not completely sure about that but as far as i know 1d would have had to be under syco for one more year, but with louis resigning with them the other boys could get out of the contracts a year earlier? not sure if i got that right lmao
I can say( pls dont attack me). Louis pretty much give his freedom to the boys or mostly Harry's. Once they played at a gay bar and Louis and Harry were being touchy so Simon didnt like it and he made Louis flew to LA to sign a contract to basically not be himself. Simon said Louis was drunk but he wasnt, he had some drinks but wasnt drunk. I mean really flew an 19 old in a plane ALONE and then put him sign a contract? You can even see his personality changed. I dont know about you but I am scared rididng the bus alone let alone a plane
Love this content. Lauren Jaregui has also said that when they went on hiatus from Fifth Harmony she had to sign an NDA so she would no longer speak out about her mistreatment.
people always like to talk about the abuse and overwork that kpop idols have but never do with western idols so im glad this video highlights it, because I didn't know half of this info tbh and it's very sad
Yes, saw her video on hey angel just about 1D and people were saying is nothing compared to kpop, or saw a different video( dik if you saw it) is them sleeping in an airport and some say is nothing compared to kpop idols. Not my cup of tea kpop but are the men idols's manager put rummors they slept with x?
@@deliacozo8542 I don't really understand what you mean in the last question, but I would disagree. I don't remember the details since it's been a while since I watched this video, but the disrespect western idols face to kpop idols can get pretty similar. It's true that western idols tend to have more freedom with their relationships and what not, but not always. Look at what happened to britney recently for example. It's why I don't like to compare between the two and I especially hate those dark side of kpop videos that people make while they ignore the mistreatment in their own countries
@@elenagonzalez8463 Ok let me explain the last question. Syco was putting rumors Harry is with a girl or he slept with so many and it happends on kpop idols too?
A group I haven’t heard a lot of people talk about is Pretty Much. They’re so unpromoted and mistreated, and were made very similarly as a kpop group to compete with kpop groups, but Simon Cowell obviously failed.
Camila also tried wanted to write her own music and solo stuff while with the band but the label didn’t allow her to, which also played a factor into why she left
Like how 5H management along with Austin Mahone's management tried to have Camila and Austin date, which only lasted for the length of the tour they were on with him. He even seen confused who him and Camila was supposed to be. Also if you watch some of the touring videos you could see that even though the managements tried to make this weird Justin/Selena clone, that Austin was really into Normani over Camila. Like he stays in Normani's Instagram being thirsty. Hell he even jumped into a twitter chat about how he acts thirsty about Normani.
@@tiggrainmagma8716 also about how their lawyer said that their contract was the worst she has ever seen being that she has worked with industry for years and the boycott they have had, especially in the last era. There is so much, from racism, sexism, harassment, sexualization of minors, homophobia, silencing .... the hole is deep
This video was so interesting! I first thought that 50 minutes are a long time of watching a video about a label, but you did such a good job that it wasn't boring in any way!
I hate how in today's society we even have to justify this kind of abuse. That is what it is, we should not have to brush over these issues because this is how the industry is not. Change needs to happen. Overall a very thought-out video essay on this topic, thank you for this.
would love to see video like this on scooter braun 🤭 not only the taylor swift thing but also other artists he’s behind, like justin bieber and i think demi lovato and ariana grande are under him as well
on the excessively amount of work they put them through, there were also the many times Camila Cabello had to go to the hospital because she was so tired and dehydrated. The first time that happened, Lauren had a breakdown because she was having the worst day/week and then had even more work, and had to figure it all out in such a short time span
i know that jasmine doesn't have to metion every thing on the video but i think its important to say that the first song that Louis Tomlinson released after he left syco was Copy of a Copy of Copy wich is a song that talks about the exactly thing that Jasmine says in the video. About all the struggles working in the industry and how almost all artists that have worked with syco suffered with the similiar things. Anyways i just think it was important to metion that Louis also had something to say about his experience. Thank you for making this video Jasmine
omg!! i totally forgot about him performing copy and the obvious lyrics referring to industry ab*se this is perfect for the section of the video where i talked about not a pop song and shading simon. thank you for bringing it up
@@jasminezade not just cowbell but sony and their entire evil umbrella of shame, AND deceit. But like in their 1D song, 'You and I' Louis helped to write it; and he even put in the line, "NOT even the gods above can separate the two of us." {because they controlled SO much and practically everything they did, wore, ate who they associated with and so on...Louis *according to Harry* used to refer to them as the gods above. One of my favorite Louis Sassy moments was when 1 D had won a special award, that the fat cats *yeah no surprise there all old, rich, white men* were waiting to shake the Boys' hands. Louis SNUBBED them lol. He was and still is really something else. He said on his Twitter on April 19th 2021 Got something BIG planned later this year! It;s going to be special!! Don't know about ya'll but I am SO excited to find out! I know a lot of people have been damaged by syco/modest, sony capital, rca, and the others from that evil umbrella of homophobic hatred, still, i feel , because HE was the one to really piss off simon the most, and the one who talked back the most, and pushed the limits the most, Louis got the brunt of all of 1 D misfortunes. Everything from being taken from Harry through a 3 floor beard situation from Oct 2011 to present; and then in 2015 a Baby Gate situation to present. It is really a sad and sick situation. I have hoped that by late December, his 5 year forced on him lie will have finished, and also the El 3 will be finally finished as well. I found proof positive, that they *the Clarks and Briana* Deep fake Johnny's videos for Mr. Sassy Pants *his you tube* as well as underline Louis' own childhood little boy same age pic's under ALL of Johnny's photos, so that he will look SO much like Louis it is too much, and a beyond a mini me sitch. I am curious though, who else got Baby Gated then besides Louis? If you are curious answer back and i will give you an addy you can check to see for yourself the PROOF, Louis has been screaming at us all along, "The Kid is NOT my son."
As a kid these bands were pumping out music and I’ve recently been realizing musicians release slower than when I was little, but now that you’re breaking down all the dates I know. Thank you so much.
jas, if you see this then i want to tell you that you got me really interested in the music industry and I'm truly considering a career in it like you are. i didn't even know it was really an option before I found you so thank you sm!! ur videos are done so well
I haven't finished the entire video yet so idk of you already explained this but after your explanation of Fifth Harmony's journey, everybody should know that their record label also literally started to ignore them to the point that Lauren's dad had to fight with producers just to give them some help in shooting the music videos, literally after Camila left, their last album wasn't as strong anymore and didn't create as much impact as 7/27 did. There was an obvious favoritism with Camila and the other members were barely given a chance
I’m sorry, but I disagree with the whole Camila was favored. That’s just a fake narrative that y’all made to find a reason for her success and 5H’s downfall. They were all mistreated and not because Camila was the first o e to take action means that she was favored or in the wrong.
@@Unknown-om3vf there's a difference between favouritism and mistreatment. Camila was mistreated as well but it was obvious that the label pushed her to be the main focus of the group (i.e. op saying that the rest of the group got ignored after she left.). clearly the label didnt see the rest worthy enough after Camila left hence she was favoured
@@bananacaramel I still disagree, but that’s okay cause that’s your opinion. And even if u think she was favored, that’s not the reason why she’s successful, and y’all constantly want to prove that her success was because of the label; although it’s not; to feel content about knowing there’s a reason to why she’s the most successful one out of the group, and I also don’t get why y’all pin it on her as if it’s her fault. If they really did favor her, then how is it her fault really. Anyways this isn’t directed to you, but to the people who actually blame her and take away her credit just because they can’t accept the fact that she’s successful. Oh and don’t you think they would’ve promoted her last album if they “favored” her??
@@Unknown-om3vf i understand where you're coming from as i still follow her, although not as closely as before :) yeah the comments undermining her success are definitely unnecessary and i believe they're well deserved. it's not her fault her team knows what they're doing to market her and has been successful. my comment was strictly talking about their time in the group. in response to your question, sadly i dont know why she suddenly got no promo on her last album. hope her team can improve, it's a shame that i read a lot of comments that they didn't even know she dropped an album :/
@@Unknown-om3vf idk, I kinda agree that camila was the favored one! Literally a majority of 7/27 is camila singing over all the other four girls! I mean there were points were camila was singing over herself on the tracks… like that’s messy you know?
I've been saying this about Syco for years; even before One Direction became big in fact. I am a huge fan of Joe McElderry, who won X Factor in 2009. I cannot even begin to describe the mistreatment he got from them. For a start, they tried to market him as something he wasn't. On the X Factor he was known for being a ballad singer, he won because of his incredible voice complimenting slower songs (he can do up tempo too but his asset was the ballads imo). He then came out as gay in July 2010, and his debut album immediately became more up tempo disco tracks. Also his debut song that wasn't the winners song was... a cover. A lot of the songs on his debut album were covers actually. Also a point, the runner up that year, Olly Murs, released his debut single BEFORE Joe did, and it wasn't a cover. Guess who Olly was mentored by on the show? Yup, it was Simon. Basically Syco put more effort into promoting Olly then they did Joe, the actual winner. Why? I suspect homophobia was at play here. I don't have any actual evidence for this but the timing of everything leaves a big question mark. Anyways Joe got dropped by Syco in 2011 but was immediately snapped up by Decca Records. He hasn't made it big because his albums are mostly covers (to my frustration), but his tours still sell well and he is generally well liked. He hasn't said anything about being mistreated, probably cause he is wrapped up in contracts as he won the entire show, but it's so obvious really. I've always felt sorry for 1D and Little Mix because I knew what Syco was really like.
Syco better pay for what they have done to Fifth harmony, One direction and Little mix. they did those bands so dirty that most of them have broken up or gone on hiatus or became a trio. Syco should never ever ever come back as a company they should be shut down for good.
i'm so glad you spoke about westlife because i never knew that they went through the same thing as the more modern artists! it's heart breaking that members were fired and friendships were lost all because of simon's obsession with appearance and appeal. and in regards to 1d's branding - like harry being the flirt, liam being responsible etc, i think you can tell when you watch back on interviews and they're asked what roles they play, they list it so easily and almost automatically. one time specifically was when they were doing the this is us promo and they were asked about what spice girl they'd be, and zayn seemed almost tired and kind of upset when he knew he was going to be labelled 'scary spice' and just ended up saying "well that'll be me then, won't it"
Omygod Jedward. Did not expect to hear about them ever again. I still sometimes listen to their Eurovision entry "Lipstick" as it's in my Eurovision bops playlist (i mean it is my Irish duty to have them in there), but did not think they would ever be mentioned again.
hey just wanted to mention that little mix didn't wrote and recorded get weird after canceling the american leg of the salute tour, they actually worked on another album, and after completely finishing it, they just thrown it away and recorded get weird.
i’m sooo ready for louis to put out that documentary. he’s got to be exposing at least a little something. there’s no coincidence that shortly after leaving syco he announces his documentary. (also he kinda blew up a year after walls was released with defenseless and all and i can’t imagine his new label/management didn’t have a hand in that)
hello just a few things i wanna mention!
firstly, i forgot to say in this video that this behavior and others are obviously very apparent in other labels with other artists too so if you’re interested in the deep dive of another company please let me know!
second, a lot of people are commenting about things i “missed” about one direction that were actually covered, like i said, in another video so check that one out for the full rundown on 1D!
ruclips.net/video/n-RDE35BrZ4/видео.html
third, i will be doing a video highlighting very specific industry-related issues in general such as racism and misogyny that weren’t fully touched here, there’s so much to cover there and i want enough time to address it
last, i know these artists have spoken so much more about issues under syco and not every event was covered, it’s just a long video which is why i encourage different fandoms to share their stories!
but thank you again for watching! i hope you enjoy and i’m sure i’ll have to pop up again to clear any mistakes that may arise, i try my best
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Hey jasmine thank you ❤️
I love you too.
we get it love ♡
Something you didn’t mention about little mix was after they toured their second album they made a new album that was set to come out at the end of 2014 but their label told them to scrap the entire album bc it wasn’t good enough. They had to completely redo the album, and got very little say in it. That’s why there was almost a year between the end of the salute tour and black magic (the lead single for get weird) being released
could you talk about scooter/Scott brochetta?
y’all better watch these ads and share this vid so jasmine has enough money to bail out of jail when simon comes knocking
LMFAOOOO so true
😂😂😭
LMAO I ain’t skipping ONE ad, Simon ain’t winning this time💀😭
lmaooo
Did y'all know that Simon was arrested when he was young because he hijacked/or attempted to hijack a car. A psychopath if you ask me
and all the racism that Jade, Leigh-Anne and Zayn faced. Like editing pictures of jade to make her look less arab, literally all the comments about leigh anne and the terrorism jokes surrounding zayn
And fifth harmony’s normani
@@KYRofficial_123 yeah she deserved so much better
@@KYRofficial_123 Yes. Her too.
@@user-ly4gn5ml3j They all did. It's just so unfair.
And Normani
little mix have never been silent about it, people just kept on ignoring them.
As soon as 1d was mentioned then people started paying attention, not hating i'm glad people are FINALLY listening but y'all ignored them for years.
Completely agree
Not a Pop Song
little mid started talking about it when perrie was still with zayn and the 13 year olds didn’t like it so they just ignored them
I’m a directioner bug yes I agree
@@saturnpuff9569 it's totally true
The fact that we almost lost Liam and Jesy because of all the drama of being an artist......oof
Yeah
Ik that clip of Jesy talking about how she almost committed suicide makes me cry😖
Yeah when liam talked about having suicidal thoughts It literally broke my heart
@@rumanbae.2920when was that? (In the video)
Liam saying that "it would've killed me" ALWAYS leads to an intense breakdown of mine, I just can't even help it
ME TOO, PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT ENOUGH
SAME!!
no fr.
Same
"we were just kids man"
i think it’s so important that you talked about westlife, leona, and rebecca so many people overlook them to talk about LM and 1D only when they’ve had the same experiences too
agreed! and cher and even talking about james arthur. she covered every base
I’m so glad that people are starting to listen about the things that lm, 1d, 5h, etc went through; because little mix has been exposing syco for years. But no one listened
exactlyyyy
FACTS!
STREAM CONFETTI.❤
Especially in not a pop song
@@NIGHTMARE-hv2vu YESS!! the mv is almost at 1.1 million views!!!
I find it funny that little mix have achieved so much broken many records but are still really disregard/disrespected, they are one of the only groups where all of them can sing, dance and harmonies + little mix had another album after salute but it got scraped so all their work had to be put into another one which became get weird.
Ikr not to mention in jesys odd one out doc someone told her to go on anti depressants
This comment is SO underrated!
the fact is little mix have been in this industry for almost 10 years and they're still breaking records and making history. they are the biggest girlgroup right now we can't deny it. what more if they were being treated and promoted well by their labels and management?
Their music is just forgetable, something that plays in the mall when you shop for pants
@@moonlightbae333 not really they just had/have a shit team that just uses them to get money
little mix has never been silent and thats why they never got their america promo. insane how talented and successful they are even without america; they deserve even more broken records. damn shame that colombia records isn't doing anything for them rn either
yeah I feel like if they got the America promo they would be way more popular than what they are
I heard that they will be promoted in US
@@s.vi1 they're talking about the past though
i remember during their Move era, in 2014 they'll tour in North America but got cancelled. Wasted opportunity. good thing they toured here in Manila once and i missed them.
@@wynignatius9289 it got cancelled because syco wanted them to work on their new album
that they then scrapped and forced them to make another one because the first one “wasn’t pop enough”
When Zayn left One Direction they wrote his exit statement about wanting to be " a normal 22 year old" Zayn said he never signed off on the statement and didn't see until it was already posted. He said the reason they posted that statement was to SABOTAGE HIS SOLO CAREER and to a degree it worked. To this day fans say Zayn lied about wanting to live a normal life when he planned to launch a solo career, when he said no such thing.
And the fact that "a normal 22 years old" turned into a meme, it's kinda sad. He was literally JUST a 22 year old who was in such a toxic industry :(
definitely worked at that time. so many ppl were pissed that he said first he wanted to be normal and then when he went solo they were mad why he didnt stay with the guys. and i was one fo them to an extent, upset about it. and now thinking about it being 24, such a horrible thing of grown (mostly men) to do to a 22 year old guy whos not had time to even figure out anything for himself when his past years have been just work after work.
Omfg that's evil and it worked. I fell for it
Exactly! If they had taken the time to watch Zane Lowe’s interview with Zayn, that’s the first thing he addressed. He said he never wrote it but ppl were too far up their own selfishness to realize Zayn was a human being who also had one shot at life. Why must he be miserable just because he makes millions??? Money isn’t the source of happiness
as a little mix fan, I'd like to clarify that Little Mix had to scrap their original 2nd album because syco didn't approve so then "salute" was born. same thing happened with "get weird": by that time, they were missing deadlines and they'd be dropped out of the label if they didn't have a solid single and an album concept as well, that's why there was a long off-period for little mix in 2014- 2015. again, they scrapped the 3rd original album before "Get Weird" was announced. Technically, Black Magic saved their career
Yeah but they hate Black Magic to the hell and back especially jesy 😂😂
Didnt they also go on tour with Ariana around that time as the undercard on part of the dw tour?
@@aryaslay715 no they went in 2017, months afte the glory days album release
They’ve even said multiple times they thought they’d get dropped from their label before releasing “Get Weird”. Syco and Simon are pathetic.
@Eunoia Flowersss exactly, salute for instance and LM5 were the albums they put their soul into them and yet they were the less promoted
Little Mix were literally created to be a visual group. The girls mentioned that they were only put together because they were all the same height not because of their vocals skills. I presume their purpose was to originally just sell their image but I'm glad that their talent got recognised
I actually remember this on X Factor. I remember this so vividly. The judges mentioned something about age and size.
One of the judges did say to them seperatly that their voices would suit better a girl group, so it wasn't just that but yeah.
I honestly credit Kelly Rowland for Little Mix being Little Mix. She was pressed them hard on their harmonies and their vocals because she felt that they blended so well.
35:04 YES! Little mix had so much potential to be the biggest girl group in the world, but their label didn't believe in them. They didn't want little mix to write their songs, and only wanted them to be a bubble gum pop girl group. Everything they have and still will accomplish it's their merit. It doesn't how much you work, if your own label don't invest in you, you can't succeed.
They still are the biggest though despite being sabotaged. Their records speak for themselves
Little mix have succeeded. 10 years of consistency... only in the US they haven’t “cracked”
@@naomistein8900 yes, they. But maybe they could've developed a much bigger success if given the chance. I'm talking about number 1 charts all over the world, they said in a recent interview that they don't care about numbers, and I think consistency is far more important than having a lot of views and streams, but I can't help to feel like they were robbed a little bit.
I fucking love Little Mix
I've been a proud supporter since there X Factor days and I'm happy they got there popularity, but I wished they really got popular by breaking into the US market
Well they Are the Biggest gg now... yayy
Also little mix got told by syco that they had to only release “bubblegum pop” music bc that’s what would sell from a girl group. Also Perrie opened up in an interview and said that she got such bad anxiety from constantly being in the road that she couldn’t spend 20 minutes at home alone without having a panic attack
but perrie had that anxiety also because of zayn kicking her out of their house, and she had anxiety of being alone so it made it worse.
@@lanadelneighh mhhhhhmm
@@lanadelneighh Zayn kicking her out? When?
@@fearless15 he did after they broke up. she had to stay in her bandmates’ homes interchangeably(she dont want to intrude and stay for too long even though theyre all like sisters) until she had her own home.
@@fearless15 since many people say “shes rich, she can just buy a home. why would you pity her for being homeless?” , i would like to clarify that it is not a 1hr-1week process of having a house. also, because of being kicked out, she developed severe anxiety that she cannot be alone(which has gotten better). so if she’s alone at home, or in a room(anywhere) she will act out, even go as far to a panic attack.
The clip of liam saying that he didnt know who he was and that the band "would've killed him" gets me everytime. Zayn left for his own wellbeing & health and liam openly said it would've killed him of they kept going. Its absolutely insane how people were so money-hungry they put such young people through hell.
So true
I understand why Liam was mad when zayn left…I bet Liam wanted to leave too but he stayed to keep the group going I believe
liam literally became an alcoholic and zayn was so frail while he was in 1D. As much as I would love to see a reunion with all of them, I don't want to support it if it's just lining the pockets of the people that made them miserable.
I am eight minutes in, and THE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH THIS MISS GURL HAS DONE IS INSANEEE
IKRRRRRR IM ONLY 12 MINUTES IN I JEVER KNEW HALF OF THESE THINGS😭😭
i feel its common knowledge if u where a fan of any of his artists in the past
@@namjoonie936 I'm a mixer but I didn't know what syco is. I know of Simon Cowell (who doesn't) and X Factor (again who doesn't). I was aware that Little Mix was under him but I had no idea of Syco Entertainment.
@@cnstqnce2841 okay?
@@namjoonie936 okay.
Thank you so much for this video Jasmine, and also for including Fifth Harmony in it. I'm a Directioner and a Harmonizer, and while people are ready to talk about One Direction's mistreatment, I often see people conveniently forget that Fifth Harmony was mistreated so badly. All the girls have spoken out a lot about it (there are endless clips of Lauren telling people to "read their contracts" and she talks a lot, especially now, about how she feels like a bird that's been let out of a cage). I've found that people criticize and make fun of One Direction and Fifth Harmony for not writing all of their songs (especially Fifth Harmony who only really have writing credits on their last album) but don't understand that they never really had a choice. Also, you were definitely right about how much all these artists were mistreated, especially when it came to new music and tours- Fifth Harmony's 3rd album was released only 2 and a half years after the release of Reflection, and when asked about what keeps them going, Lauren literally said "our contract". One last thing, Camila's name is pronounced Cam-EE-la, not Cam-ILL-a, just so you know. Thanks for the video!!!
i did see those clips where lauren openly kept mentioning contracts those were brave comments of hers it was clear she was struggling and wasn’t afraid to say it, thank you for the comment and the name pronunciation
Oh and also they did write a lot of their own songs but were not credited on purpose, so that they did not earn through the credits!
@@mannyanayar6778 They wrote alot on 7/27 (which was arguably their best album) but were left with nothing as Lauren said. Paid dust.
like 1d had 5 years together 5 albums and 5 world tours its horrible
@@agirlwhoeatscarrots2211 yeah, that was also so bad. I hope that if there is a reunion, that they're treated well, and if there isn't, then I'm fine with it as long as they're all happy. They never got a break when they were in the band and seeing them happy is all I want.
it is extremely painful for someone like me (who's been a solid Directioner since 2010) to say this, but Harry, Louis, Liam, Niall, and Zayn are literally better off apart than together as a band. they've suffered enough. they were minors (except Lou) when they were made to sign their contracts. imagine the mixed emotions that had overwhelmed them at that point when they practically had no idea just what they were signing up for. our poor lads 💔
True, I dont want a reunion until they are treated properly
exactly! and there’s also just the general excitement of being around 16 and knowing you’re about to achieve your dream of singing and being naive because you haven’t been exposed to the dangers yet :(
Little mix done 3 tours in 2017 which were first the Ariana grande dangerous women tour, then they done their summer shout-out tour and then went into their glory days tour.
Insane
you forgot the get weird tour and move tour
@@wynignatius9289 they were talking about the tours in 2017
they had three tours JUST in 2017
@@miam_k wow iconic! but is it kinda exhausting? 3 tours in one year?
@@wynignatius9289 that’s the point of the comment
i think the reason why little mix is so successful is because all the members of little mix would still be friends with each other even if they all weren't put in a band together, if that makes sense? even when I was younger I could notice that the friendships between the four of them had more of a sincere vibe compared to one direction and fifth harmony. hell even now with jesy gone, they all are still successful and friends
all sycos bands were made to be successful, but little mix was the only one made to last, and the other two band breakups were inevitable. fifth harmony and one direction members had very different ideas of the music they wanted to make and what they wanted to do with their lives while little mix didn't. jesy also left because she had to in a breakup which at least seems calm and on good terms.
“overworked” and “driven apart from each other” sounds like a heartbreaking repetition from a script i’m familiar with as a 1d stan 😶
Zayn also had eating disordes which gotten to a very VERY dangerous point.
We also need to talk about how Louis just annunced that he will start his own music industry and HOW MUCH the fans are proud of him...
Thank you for this video! This was really really helpful to see the other side of the bands.
Every time I think of Jedward talking about xfactor, I hear Louis’s voice from the This is Us movie say, “we’ve had so much fun here on the xfactor” in THE MOST sarcastic voice.
This video is straight up facts. I can’t understand why people assume just because you become famous you have no problems and aren’t being taken advantage of. When you speak up people assume you have money and signed contracts so you knowingly asked for the abuse. Can you do a video about Taylor and her contracts and touring schedules throughout her time at Big Machine❓
Its easy to hate on rich people. It's easy to print fingers and say...
"We have it harder! Stop complaining!😡 At least youre rich!😠"
The funny part is that many groups don't even get paid what they're supposed to. I mean look at 5h.
The suffering groups go through is just too much. Might as well give up on you're dreams if you're just gonna be treated like an animal.
these videos are hey angels older and more mature sisters. and im loving it.
this video is so well-formatted!! you being able to acknowledge that simon was super, super creative and successful while also emphasizing the ab*se and mistreatment is really important. we can’t overlook the success part because that power is part of the problem. amazing job 💞
I really wanna see you talk about Little Mix and their whole journey w syco cos there is SO MUCH information, like the racism Jade and Leigh-Anne faced, Jesy’s mental health (her documentary, her being bullied so badly on the internet, her leaving because of her mental health,etc); Perrie’s anxiety (especially after the breakup w Zayn), the fact that they were sabotaged on multiple occasions (microphones switched off, earpieces not working, no promo,etc); Jade being made to look as white as possible cos she was white passing, Leigh being forgotten and the fact that she felt invisible; then forced into doing songs that they hated (ex: beep beep, Jade said that she couldn’t believe they still had to do it; oops ft Charlie Puth, etc), also being body shamed on national television, the whole Charlie Puth wouldn’t stop flirting w Jade even tho she was in a relationship, and so much more
they were also forced to do a lot of their collabs
touch ft kid ink
nmss ft mgk
power ft stormzy (i’m not too sure about this,i actually think this is one of the only male features where they actually wanted him on the song,also because of the meaning of his verse)
secret love song ft jason derulo (they weren’t forced to make the song itself,the original one was supposed to be the part 2 but the label put jason on it without the girls knowing)
@@miam_k exactly
They did not give Leigh Anne enough lines fr
when jade said it about beep beep??
Can we just all take a moment to bow down to this queen? Like the effort she put into this video. I love you, I really do.
Yesss
YAASS
I dunno if anyone else has covered this yet. But I believe Jade from little mix was forced to perform on a tour date the evening she lost a close relative (I believe it might be her grandfather). I think it's shocking that artists aren't even given the chance to mourn a significant loss.
i think it was her grandmother, and it was maybe in 2019 but it was definitely an apple show to promote LM5 and she cried on stage.
@@abandonedhandrail4581 it wasn’t in 2019
in 2019 they were already under rca
but yeah i believe it was her grandmother because her grandfather passed away when she was 13…
@@miam_k I think I know it was these four walls
Zayn has also written countless songs while in the band that were never released because they didn’t fit the “brand” or the “boy band” type feel/vibe. I’m not sure the exact number of unreleased songs he wrote (correct me if I’m wrong) but I think it’s somewhere around 40 if I’m not mistaken.
i noticed the boys had more writing credit on later albums. all but zayn😢
Between the time of Little Mix's albums 'Salute' and 'Get Weird.' Which the timeline is: Salute-2013 and Get Weird-2015. Little Mix missed a year of releasing an album because they were almost dropped. So they had to write and record an entire album. They wrote 1 album before 'Get Weird.' They brought that album to the label, Syco, and they said that it wasn't good enough. So they had to do the whole process over again and the result was Get Weird.
their two worst albums (they aren’t bad they just lack a little bit of personality) are the ones that were the most forced (gw and gd)
You didn't mention that when Louis announced he left Syco last year he received SOOOO MANY congratulations messages (WHY WOULD ANYONE RECEIVE CONGRATS AND SUPPORTING TEXTS WHEN LEAVING THE LABEL? Here's why)
ps. you explained it all very well!!!
For a hot minute I thought you were talking about Louis Walsh
can you make a video about dark side of fifth harmony and little mix like you did with one direction? I really like listen to you talking about this kind of stuff.
Agreed!!!
The Real Fifth harmony’s story will make you sad so badly🥲
And now the ally podcast will let people know even more crazy things that happened 😖
@@faishalb973 Fifth Harmony’s story is literally slept upon, Like Everyone in the comments are talking about Little Mix and One Direction but People don’t realize Fifth Harmony went through so much, before and after Camila left,I’m not comparing or anything but 5h went through a lot more than little mix
@@Bebe-dl5ts u are right, fifth harmony more dark than little mix and 1D, 1D are boys they can helping themself, Little mix is more mature and older than 1D & 5H, but fifth harmony? they very young, they really having a beautiful dream with 5 talented girls but what management do to them? very freaking dirty, they did them as sexual objects, slaves, money machine, and they even trauma for their perform’s schedule, that’s disgusting
"Not simon being a libra" 💀💀
he’s not that way bc he’s a libra it’s bc of himself
I came for the tea and stayed for the Libra slander 😌😌
That thing about him being a Libra threw me through a loop
He and I have the same birthday 😭
as a member of the libra community, i don’t claim him
I'm about to sleep but this is more important😭😭
Same
I should be studying my lines for drama
Ik it doesn't have alot to do with the video but it feels really good to hear her talk about one direction again
I know right
it was a little slice of heaven, honestly
Matt Cardle won X Factor in 2010. Rebecca was second and 1D were a distant 3rd in the voting. Simon hated Matt so much for beating 1D that he did everything he could to erase him and at least as far as recorded UK music, he has been successful. But Matt was never interested in being a pop star. He wanted to be a working musician and since he has a small but loyal following, he has been able to continue putting out great music, performing live and more recently via streaming. He has a great new single called We're the Butterflies.
i remember that there was even conversations that none of Dannii's acts should win because over the years a few of her acts had won, it was a shock when he signed 1D as they came 3rd and i don't think that happened before and they became huge.
As a mixer, a former harmonizer and someone who appreciates some one direction songs I hate Syco so much with all of me
can we discuss how as soon as Camila Cabello left 5H she got so much backing from the label meanwhile 5H got like 4 promo performances for an entire album cycle
Please I know right No hate to Camila or whatever but The girls deserved better, I feel bad for them, specially after Camila and her annoying fans shaded the girls.
@@Bebe-dl5ts right..
You should make a video about little mix’s mistreatment from their current American label Columbia
@fahima miah they're one of the biggest but not the biggest, probably the biggest english speaking girl group
i remember back in 2016, 5H released their album 7/27 on May 27 and not even a month after they started the 7/27 Tour in South America. i went to the 2nd date of the tour and the entire show was the same as the Reflection Tour (their previous tour), with only 6 songs from the new album, and 3 of them were added that same night because on the first date they only performed 3 SONGS FROM THE NEW ALBUM and all the fans were complaining on social media. They literally had to start a new tour with barely any rehearsals (cause after the album came out, they were obviously doing a lot of promo) and had to unexpectedly add 3 songs that they had never performed live and rehearse them on the same day of the show, because their team couldnt give them enough time to prepare a new show. Once that leg of the tour was over, they ended up creating a whole new show with the new album and started doing that one in the next leg of the tour. The entire situation was a whole mess and even tho i don't have any proof, there's no way it was their fault and not their teams fault cause they were constantly working non stop. (also, sorry for my english, its not my first language:))
a worth-while mention would also be Lauren Jauregui's unreleased song, Toy, which gives us way more input (along with all of the many other statements she's made) about the way she had been treated over the years. it's a badass song, but very sad when you think about it. they wanted to mold her into someone she clearly didn't want to be. this video was very informative and incredible !!
Also Lauren Jauregui wrote and sang a song called "Toy" about how she was treated as a toy under syco/epic
Hi fellow desi😂 and it's so sad shes not releasing it💔
@@gooogle3053 she might release it in the future. I can't wait for her to release Always Love
@@HarpreetKaur-qo6nw she said it herself that she wont . But we can still hope 🙌😭 and yas ! That's my most awaited song from her 😭
@@gooogle3053 she might write another song that’s similar, we all know lauren
@@Bebe-dl5ts hope she does
Let's not forget that Little Mix's ORIGINAL 3rd album was scrapped because "it wasn't good enough" and the girls had to work on another completely different album, which is Get Weird.
Can we talk about the fact that Little Mix wrote and recorded an entire album after "Salute", but their label scrapped it because it wasn't "good enough". They cancelled the us tour because they had to re-write and re-record a complete new album, which happened to be "Get Weird"
I paid more attention to this video than I do to any of my online lectures. Honestly, if you taught my algebra 2 class I would be a mathematical genius.
same, someone make her my teacher, although I am exactly the same age as her, idc
If only she was good at math.
Girl groups always have it way worse...the mysoginy is disgusting. As a fan of BLACKPINK and Little Mix... is so sad how their label don't allow them to express themselves, and don't promote them accordingly
Every kpop group is given a certain image by their label to maintain throughout their career but it's better because sometimes their labels gives them solo projects like releasing solo music, magazine covers, events for them to do but they still have to maintain that image that their label has given them for each and every individual
@@Samuel-qy3ck That's why I only stan BTS.
Your faves chose the criminal organisation called YG even though they knew these facts because they wanted the benefits of easy fame due to media play they provide to them.
@@pennybleta2300 every kpop group has a standard and image to maintain, don't make it sound like only BTS doesn't have an image to maintain, every in the industry does have a certain image to maintain ,fellow ARMY
@@pennybleta2300 Blackpink's members became trainees when they were 10-12 years old, and I believe they got signed as artists back in 2016. At that time, YG was known as one of the biggest companies in South Korea (quite literally, the big 3). Much of the mistreatment their artists suffered (especially 2NE1) hadn't come to light yet, and although the big 3 were and are known for overworking, mistreating, and controlling their artists, it is generally thought to be a better career move than to sign with a small company that might do the same, but not bring any payoff. YG was also marketed as a less manufactured company at the time. The turning point for YG's image was the Burning Sun "scandal" (crime), and by then Blackpink, Ikon, and Winner were already signed. Their contracts last about 7 years, and since YG has a problem with being blacklisted by broadcasting agencies anyway, and Blackpink is currently their only breadwinner, it's very probable YG will sink hard if they don't sign with them after that.
Point being, all companies Korean or otherwise, will screw you over no matter what their public image is.
Hey! This video was much needed! Side note Ally Brooke of Fifth Harmony talked about her struggling with alcohol during her 5H days in her new book “Finding Your Harmony” due to miss management/ over working from label execs.
YES!!
didn’t Ally also say didn’t enjoy being in fifth harmony, (on her show) but us fans thought she was only one how enjoyed her time being in the group, that’s hurts a lot knowing we don’t Actually know the girls as we thought.
Little Mix also toured with Ariana Grande for the dangerous woman tour as her opening act!
They also toured with Demi who also had 5H on the tour also. I think it was the Neon Light's tour.
Can you do a separate video on Fifth Harmony and what went on behind the scenes
yes!
Jade at one point had a dislocated knee while performing and had to keep going, there was a time where Jesy had to perform in a wheel chair and Leigh-Anne had burned herself really badly but still went on stage after it
you have no idea how excited i am for this video
Me imagining Simon watching this with his social media team full of marketing experts and other people and how he realises this girl is damn correct.😌😂
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It’s so sad that lm were told to “not write and just sing what was given to them” bc that’s literally wat 5H did for their first two albums it’s also why Camila left they only wrote the music on their third album and that’s when their label stopped promoting them :(
I just want to say Thank-you for helping me with my mental health Jas ❤️ you have no idea how much I appreciate you
Hi Mackenzie
@@mackenziemetcalf2893 oh hii Mackenzie
Now if these artists are overworked, i REALLY wanna know what goes on behind the kpop idols’ mind
You don’t want to know, trust me.
Great video! I wish you had talked about Jesy Nelson, her depression about body image and all of that she wss dealing with while still working.
thank you
i was so scared to find out he took on prettymuch as a group under his label bc of what simon did to all of his other groups, but i’m happy that they’re doing their own thing now bc they’re a great creative collective on their own without him. i want them to find a place that allows them to do that, manages them well, and treats them with RESPECT
YYYYEEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!! I love watching salmon cowbell fail
Also I would like to add 5SOS got out of their contract with modest recently
I'm so happy that they are fin finally free from that stupid company
SALMON COWBELL BAHAHAHAHAHA YESSSSSSS
Also I'm happy 5sAucE is free, as a directionner, mixer and 5SOS fan!
They did? Hell YEAH!
@@moonlight.z6543 yup. very recently
I'm really really happy that Lou could peace out of Syco, so proud of him!
PRETTYMUCH, another boy band creation of Simon’s announced earlier this year that they are no longer under his label. They never specified why but after viewing this video, I know the answer. In the five years they’ve been a band, they’ve released 3 EP’s and were the opening act for Khalid back in 2018 but no one would know this because Syco failed in promoting them. They were in the same boat as LM in not having creative control. Members would delete tweets voicing their frustrations on being prohibited in releasing music and if we did get a single, it was generic pop that everyone was supposed to enjoy. Yet, like I said, Syco did a horrible job in getting these guys recognized by music lovers. With their new label called Sire, they have their first album (according to Apple Music), are able to showcase their other talents, and do more popular interviews compared to the ones they did before.
I’ve heard about PRETYMUCH just recently because I’ve been seeing RUclips videos of them. I thought they existed just last year or something
Fun fact : Sire Records is home label for Queen of Pop, Madonna. omg
Amazing video and research! Also wanted to add in Lauren Jauregui from 5h saying in MULTIPLE INTERVIEWS and fan Q and As her best advice to upcoming artists is 'READ YOUR CONTRACTS A THOUSAND TIMES OVER, GET OTHER PEOPLE TO READ THEM TO YOU BUT READ YOUR CONTRACTS' x
i knew someoneone who had business dealings with simon cowell/syco and he said one thing in life you never want to do is join them...he literally said the contract was a slave contract...my mouth dropped open with shock ngl
something else about little mix is before get weird (after the salute tour) they made a new album but syco scrapped an entire album of work and made them create an entire new album which ended up being get weird (jade revealed this in a podcast)
Oooh what was the podcast?
the content you make is so creative like no one makes videos like these and it’s just so informative and original. keep being amazing
if u like this type of video I rly recommend Hailey Elizabeths channel !!
@@altheastomfelt4749 ty for the recommendation!! i just subscribed :)
Waiting for Day Louis will do one interview and expoae simon modest syco
The management company is coming, so is the documentary. Simon better be watching
I wonder why he signed with syco again after 1D broke up.. i’m sure they manipulated him into it by telling him he wouldn’t have been successful without them poor baby:(
13:13 beatlemania happened in the 60s actually! the members were not even a band until the late 50s and only actually became "the beatles" in 1960 - they only started getting widely popular in around 1963 :)
You should touch on Simon's first successful boyband. They were called 5ive. They were starting to make it big in the US (went double platinum). And were huge overseas (with 20 million in album sales). But they were over worked. The youngest had a mental breakdown which is what ended the group. And they were considered the bad boys of boy bands. Simon encouraged the bad boy behavior which was the other issue with the group. But before that they backed out of their tour with nsync due to exhaustion.They were so good and their story is interesting. I would have thought Simon would have learned from his mistakes with them. But nope!
Omg they sang "baby when the light go out" right? Such a bop
@@jenniboo9441 Yes! They up there on the list for one of my favorite boybands cause they actually had a lot of bangers like that.
36:56 don't even get me started in line distribution in fifth harmony songs, Lauren and Dinah received much less parts compared to the other girls and it's so infuriating! Dinah has a soulful voice and they probably think it didn't fit their bubble gum pop songs, my girl deserved so much better.
PERIOD.
Normani got dust. Literally barely got parts in any of the song and faced so much racism
yes yes and yes
I am genuienly SO impressed because this must have taken FOREVER, so a huge applaud to you!
You talked about so many artist that I didn't even know about/didn't even know that they were under syco, so thank you for talking about those artists as well, because I feel like people often only just talk about 1D, LM and 5H when talking about this topic and other artists get forgotten
Not a Pop Song was such a bop tho, thank you for this really informative video Jasmine
ngl all the good people simon had on his label (FH, 1D, LM WL) and others left which means he wasn't really making no more money from the music. smh I'm glad they left when they did
Omgs I was ranting about homophobia in the music industry just recently with my friends. Thank you for explaining this so well! Now I can just send people this video, it's very useful and informative ❤
Also, I'd love to see a "the dark side of reality show competitions" and don't just talk about singing competitions, include stuff like cooking/baking competitions too!
It’s worse for little mix bc they had 3 tours in one year. The GD tour, the summer hits tour, and they also opened for Ariana Grande for the DW tour
um let’s not compare lmao
@@damonsalvatore7565 no one is comparing
@@lanadelneighh sorry that’s not what i meant haha, i just wouldn’t want anyone saying “oh it was worse for _____” because i don’t think that’s fair or like possible to even say
@@damonsalvatore7565 ohh i get it. however, the most sabotaged band in terms of career is indeed little mix. they took it professionally by promoting their music THEMSELVES. rewriting and scrapping 2 whole albums cause the label said “not pop enough”. other acts in terms of their musicality weren’t sabotaged as much as little mix.
@@lanadelneighh oh yes, def most sabotaged was little mix haha
Something I've always wondered is why did Louis re-sign with Syco for his solo career? Surely after everything they went through in 1D he'd move to a different record label, like all of the other boys did? Maybe I'm just missing something here. If someone could explain to me that'd be amazing! Great video by the way Jasmine, thank you :)
I'm not a directioner, or a Louis fan, idk his personality or heard any of his music; but the first explanation I come up with like with an abusive relationship, even when the victim knows it's bad and not right, they still stay. There's a feeling of "I can't survive/have no where else to go from here"
Again IDK anything about Louis or his singing or his place in 1D, but maybe he thought that he couldn't get signed anywhere else? Like he wasn't good enough on his own (or on his own "yet") and believed he was in a "take what I can get" situation. I mean it's hard to get signed and maybe he thought on his own he wasn't enough of a singer like the others to get signed somewhere else so stayed with Syco
im not completely sure about that but as far as i know 1d would have had to be under syco for one more year, but with louis resigning with them the other boys could get out of the contracts a year earlier? not sure if i got that right lmao
I can say( pls dont attack me). Louis pretty much give his freedom to the boys or mostly Harry's. Once they played at a gay bar and Louis and Harry were being touchy so Simon didnt like it and he made Louis flew to LA to sign a contract to basically not be himself. Simon said Louis was drunk but he wasnt, he had some drinks but wasnt drunk. I mean really flew an 19 old in a plane ALONE and then put him sign a contract? You can even see his personality changed. I dont know about you but I am scared rididng the bus alone let alone a plane
Love this content. Lauren Jaregui has also said that when they went on hiatus from Fifth Harmony she had to sign an NDA so she would no longer speak out about her mistreatment.
omg do you remember where did she say that?
people always like to talk about the abuse and overwork that kpop idols have but never do with western idols so im glad this video highlights it, because I didn't know half of this info tbh and it's very sad
very insane to me how most managment from all over the world is just absolutely shitty. Something needs to change :(
Yes, saw her video on hey angel just about 1D and people were saying is nothing compared to kpop, or saw a different video( dik if you saw it) is them sleeping in an airport and some say is nothing compared to kpop idols. Not my cup of tea kpop but are the men idols's manager put rummors they slept with x?
@@deliacozo8542 I don't really understand what you mean in the last question, but I would disagree. I don't remember the details since it's been a while since I watched this video, but the disrespect western idols face to kpop idols can get pretty similar. It's true that western idols tend to have more freedom with their relationships and what not, but not always. Look at what happened to britney recently for example. It's why I don't like to compare between the two and I especially hate those dark side of kpop videos that people make while they ignore the mistreatment in their own countries
@@elenagonzalez8463 Ok let me explain the last question. Syco was putting rumors Harry is with a girl or he slept with so many and it happends on kpop idols too?
@@deliacozo8542 Oh no kpop idols tend to be restricted with who they date though it's becoming more liberated in recent years
A group I haven’t heard a lot of people talk about is Pretty Much. They’re so unpromoted and mistreated, and were made very similarly as a kpop group to compete with kpop groups, but Simon Cowell obviously failed.
okay but can i thank your mama for giving you life?
I needed a video like this oneeee
Camila also tried wanted to write her own music and solo stuff while with the band but the label didn’t allow her to, which also played a factor into why she left
Let’s not forget little mix wrote an entire album that was scrapped, then they wrote get weird. So they actually wrote two albums at that time
Oh 🤯
@Eunoia Flowersss ope, I didn’t know that, Thanks for the info!
Why was it scrapped?
You should make a video about little mix and fifth Harmony. The things are quite big and scary in many aways. (Ps: sorry for the bad English)
Like how 5H management along with Austin Mahone's management tried to have Camila and Austin date, which only lasted for the length of the tour they were on with him. He even seen confused who him and Camila was supposed to be. Also if you watch some of the touring videos you could see that even though the managements tried to make this weird Justin/Selena clone, that Austin was really into Normani over Camila. Like he stays in Normani's Instagram being thirsty. Hell he even jumped into a twitter chat about how he acts thirsty about Normani.
@@tiggrainmagma8716 also about how their lawyer said that their contract was the worst she has ever seen being that she has worked with industry for years and the boycott they have had, especially in the last era. There is so much, from racism, sexism, harassment, sexualization of minors, homophobia, silencing .... the hole is deep
This video was so interesting! I first thought that 50 minutes are a long time of watching a video about a label, but you did such a good job that it wasn't boring in any way!
I wanna give all of those artists ESPECIALLY one direction a big hug and let them know that they will get through this ☹🥺
more to the fact that 'not a pop song' was about simon, NOT THAT IT WASNT CLEAR, the girls released on his b day LOLLL
“i dont do what simon says”
they ANNOUNCED it on his b-day
they released it two day later tho
I hate how in today's society we even have to justify this kind of abuse. That is what it is, we should not have to brush over these issues because this is how the industry is not. Change needs to happen. Overall a very thought-out video essay on this topic, thank you for this.
would love to see video like this on scooter braun 🤭 not only the taylor swift thing but also other artists he’s behind, like justin bieber and i think demi lovato and ariana grande are under him as well
also Carly Rae Jepsen and Cody Simpson
on the excessively amount of work they put them through, there were also the many times Camila Cabello had to go to the hospital because she was so tired and dehydrated. The first time that happened, Lauren had a breakdown because she was having the worst day/week and then had even more work, and had to figure it all out in such a short time span
i know that jasmine doesn't have to metion every thing on the video but i think its important to say that the first song that Louis Tomlinson released after he left syco was Copy of a Copy of Copy wich is a song that talks about the exactly thing that Jasmine says in the video. About all the struggles working in the industry and how almost all artists that have worked with syco suffered with the similiar things. Anyways i just think it was important to metion that Louis also had something to say about his experience. Thank you for making this video Jasmine
omg!! i totally forgot about him performing copy and the obvious lyrics referring to industry ab*se this is perfect for the section of the video where i talked about not a pop song and shading simon. thank you for bringing it up
@@jasminezade not just cowbell but sony and their entire evil umbrella of shame, AND deceit. But like in their 1D song, 'You and I' Louis helped to write it; and he even put in the line, "NOT even the gods above can separate the two of us." {because they controlled SO much and practically everything they did, wore, ate who they associated with and so on...Louis *according to Harry* used to refer to them as the gods above.
One of my favorite Louis Sassy moments was when 1 D had won a special award, that the fat cats *yeah no surprise there all old, rich, white men* were waiting to shake the Boys' hands. Louis SNUBBED them lol.
He was and still is really something else. He said on his Twitter on April 19th 2021 Got something BIG planned later this year! It;s going to be special!!
Don't know about ya'll but I am SO excited to find out! I know a lot of people have been damaged by syco/modest, sony capital, rca, and the others from that evil umbrella of homophobic hatred, still, i feel , because HE was the one to really piss off simon the most, and the one who talked back the most, and pushed the limits the most, Louis got the brunt of all of 1 D misfortunes. Everything from being taken from Harry through a 3 floor beard situation from Oct 2011 to present; and then in 2015 a Baby Gate situation to present.
It is really a sad and sick situation. I have hoped that by late December, his 5 year forced on him lie will have finished, and also the El 3 will be finally finished as well. I found proof positive, that they *the Clarks and Briana* Deep fake Johnny's videos for Mr. Sassy Pants *his you tube* as well as underline Louis' own childhood little boy same age pic's under ALL of Johnny's photos, so that he will look SO much like Louis it is too much, and a beyond a mini me sitch. I am curious though, who else got Baby Gated then besides Louis?
If you are curious answer back and i will give you an addy you can check to see for yourself the PROOF, Louis has been screaming at us all along, "The Kid is NOT my son."
@@yaoifunfun4094 my god ,I didn't understand the briana portion dear can u pls explain
As a kid these bands were pumping out music and I’ve recently been realizing musicians release slower than when I was little, but now that you’re breaking down all the dates I know. Thank you so much.
jas, if you see this then i want to tell you that you got me really interested in the music industry and I'm truly considering a career in it like you are. i didn't even know it was really an option before I found you so thank you sm!! ur videos are done so well
Same, but idrk how to start. I think that I want my own management or something like that
Just remember not to destroy us who will be artists and to not become the new Satan Cowbells lol
I haven't finished the entire video yet so idk of you already explained this but after your explanation of Fifth Harmony's journey, everybody should know that their record label also literally started to ignore them to the point that Lauren's dad had to fight with producers just to give them some help in shooting the music videos, literally after Camila left, their last album wasn't as strong anymore and didn't create as much impact as 7/27 did. There was an obvious favoritism with Camila and the other members were barely given a chance
I’m sorry, but I disagree with the whole Camila was favored. That’s just a fake narrative that y’all made to find a reason for her success and 5H’s downfall. They were all mistreated and not because Camila was the first o e to take action means that she was favored or in the wrong.
@@Unknown-om3vf there's a difference between favouritism and mistreatment. Camila was mistreated as well but it was obvious that the label pushed her to be the main focus of the group (i.e. op saying that the rest of the group got ignored after she left.). clearly the label didnt see the rest worthy enough after Camila left hence she was favoured
@@bananacaramel I still disagree, but that’s okay cause that’s your opinion. And even if u think she was favored, that’s not the reason why she’s successful, and y’all constantly want to prove that her success was because of the label; although it’s not; to feel content about knowing there’s a reason to why she’s the most successful one out of the group, and I also don’t get why y’all pin it on her as if it’s her fault. If they really did favor her, then how is it her fault really. Anyways this isn’t directed to you, but to the people who actually blame her and take away her credit just because they can’t accept the fact that she’s successful. Oh and don’t you think they would’ve promoted her last album if they “favored” her??
@@Unknown-om3vf i understand where you're coming from as i still follow her, although not as closely as before :) yeah the comments undermining her success are definitely unnecessary and i believe they're well deserved. it's not her fault her team knows what they're doing to market her and has been successful. my comment was strictly talking about their time in the group. in response to your question, sadly i dont know why she suddenly got no promo on her last album. hope her team can improve, it's a shame that i read a lot of comments that they didn't even know she dropped an album :/
@@Unknown-om3vf idk, I kinda agree that camila was the favored one! Literally a majority of 7/27 is camila singing over all the other four girls! I mean there were points were camila was singing over herself on the tracks… like that’s messy you know?
I've been saying this about Syco for years; even before One Direction became big in fact. I am a huge fan of Joe McElderry, who won X Factor in 2009. I cannot even begin to describe the mistreatment he got from them. For a start, they tried to market him as something he wasn't. On the X Factor he was known for being a ballad singer, he won because of his incredible voice complimenting slower songs (he can do up tempo too but his asset was the ballads imo). He then came out as gay in July 2010, and his debut album immediately became more up tempo disco tracks. Also his debut song that wasn't the winners song was... a cover. A lot of the songs on his debut album were covers actually. Also a point, the runner up that year, Olly Murs, released his debut single BEFORE Joe did, and it wasn't a cover. Guess who Olly was mentored by on the show? Yup, it was Simon. Basically Syco put more effort into promoting Olly then they did Joe, the actual winner. Why? I suspect homophobia was at play here. I don't have any actual evidence for this but the timing of everything leaves a big question mark. Anyways Joe got dropped by Syco in 2011 but was immediately snapped up by Decca Records. He hasn't made it big because his albums are mostly covers (to my frustration), but his tours still sell well and he is generally well liked. He hasn't said anything about being mistreated, probably cause he is wrapped up in contracts as he won the entire show, but it's so obvious really. I've always felt sorry for 1D and Little Mix because I knew what Syco was really like.
I liked Joe it’s sad he never got the attention/fame he deserved
Syco better pay for what they have done to Fifth harmony, One direction and Little mix. they did those bands so dirty that most of them have broken up or gone on hiatus or became a trio. Syco should never ever ever come back as a company they should be shut down for good.
i'm so glad you spoke about westlife because i never knew that they went through the same thing as the more modern artists! it's heart breaking that members were fired and friendships were lost all because of simon's obsession with appearance and appeal.
and in regards to 1d's branding - like harry being the flirt, liam being responsible etc, i think you can tell when you watch back on interviews and they're asked what roles they play, they list it so easily and almost automatically. one time specifically was when they were doing the this is us promo and they were asked about what spice girl they'd be, and zayn seemed almost tired and kind of upset when he knew he was going to be labelled 'scary spice' and just ended up saying "well that'll be me then, won't it"
Omygod Jedward. Did not expect to hear about them ever again. I still sometimes listen to their Eurovision entry "Lipstick" as it's in my Eurovision bops playlist (i mean it is my Irish duty to have them in there), but did not think they would ever be mentioned again.
hey just wanted to mention that little mix didn't wrote and recorded get weird after canceling the american leg of the salute tour, they actually worked on another album, and after completely finishing it, they just thrown it away and recorded get weird.
nope
they didn’t just throw it away
the label listened to it and completely scrapped it (except i love you) because it “wasn’t pop enough”
i’m sooo ready for louis to put out that documentary. he’s got to be exposing at least a little something. there’s no coincidence that shortly after leaving syco he announces his documentary.
(also he kinda blew up a year after walls was released with defenseless and all and i can’t imagine his new label/management didn’t have a hand in that)