Can't help but feel bad for Mary after learning what she endured during her younger years. All in all she can be seen as both a victim and a villain. Mary started out as a victim, but became a villain due to the actions of her vile father. For the majority of her life while Henry VIII was alive, she sought constantly to earn his respect, approval and unconditional love that any normal parent would give their child, but never received any of that from him. It was right at 1:02:00 where she asks "Have I pleased you?" that one can clearly get the idea she wasn't speaking with God but her father.
I love the Spanish in the beginning. I get a real feel for what little Mary would have sounded like. She was half Spanish so she would have spoken it with her Mother and her ladies
She also rejected her husband in a way. She loved him, but she didn't let him overrule her in the matters of the kingdom. Philip tried to manipulate her and have things his way, but even though he was a king in title, Mary made sure he had the role of a consort and her of a monarch. She also passed an act to ensure that future queen regnants have more power than their male consorts. This was one of the main reasons Philip rejected her. And she was much more loved by her people than we are led to believe. Protestant propaganda led people to believe otherwise, but even upon her death she was still popular with a good amount of the english people. Just not as popular as before
@@malcolmabram2957 You're *definitely* right about this, but she also stopped him from doing some of the other stuff. I feel like she prevented him from making her reign 3x worse than it was by putting her foot down at times
A simple well-put statement that sums up a lot. Also, all those Tudor princesses were raised with an absolute belief in monarchial correctness. Unfortunately, they disagreed with each other, and none of them were backing down.
she was both. The only surviving child of Queen Catherine whom many believed was poisoned as she refused to step aside. i always felt it was cruel keeping mpther and daughter separated. Declared a bastard by her father who did finally welcome her back to court once she agreed to accept him as supreme head of the church only to be declared a bastard again y her brother. She became a villian when she became queen though she hadnt wanted to cut off Jane Greys head. A disasterous marriage phantom pregnancies and the constant campaign to turn england Catholic again Ive always believed drove her mad and hastened her death at 42
Don't forget also that the Plantagenet Countess of Salisbury, Margaret de la Pole (the daughter of Edward IV's brother George, the one who was reputedly 'drowned in a butt of Malmsey') was like a second mother to Mary. Henry VIII, with the traditional Tudor paranoia, had her executed when she was in her sixties, a good age for the time. It is said that even the men who witnessed this, brutal as those times were, were shocked at the spectacle as the Countess refused to lay her head on the block, citing her innocence and the executioner had to hack her to death whilst chasing her. Another tragic loss for Mary.
Kym Rawlins she wasn't poisoned they think it was some form of cancer on the heart I think she essentially died of a broken heart due to her child being deperated from her by a man she thought she could trust Catherine was Spanish royalty Henry would never have risked killing her thats why he sent her away instead of doing what he did to Anne Boleyn if he had killed Catherine of Aragon he would have had a nasty war on his hands between Spain and England he wasn't stupid enough to risk that
Victim she has split from her mother and never even get to say goodbye. Plus be treated like a princess then a bastard. Then a princess again. Her life was full of drama.
All kings and queens had a duty to kill those who would oppose and kill them. Mary was a survivalist. And Onlt done what those beneath her forced her into doing. She was not a murderer. She defended hersrlf like any man or woman in her position with strength would do. I am to weak to kill,so i would have built a nice dungeon for the heretics and opposers.
Ok she wasn't cruel to all people. She was doing what she thought was right. We can't really judge them because they lived in such a different time and era than ours. We of course see their story with 21st century glasses.
@@isidroguevara4120 Right. Religion was everything back then and literally marked out everyone's days. It is hard for us to really understand what it was like back then. Mary did think what she was doing was right, although I can't imagine anyone burning a human being alive. Such a cruel and horrendous death which must be offensive to God.
Actually, she was not a monster. She was a saint compared to Henry viii, Elizabeth i and Edward vi. Mary killed 300 people over 5 years. That is about 60 people a year. Elizabeth killed thousands of people, including 450 in ONE day in 1569, more than Mary killed in 5 years. Edward had a few thousand people executed in his 6 year reign, and Henry killed tens of thousands of people. These are all statistical facts. You could say that Mary burned people alive, but Elizabeth and Henry often had them hung, drawn and quartered, which is 3x more brutal.
I have been very unsure of what to think of Mary as a whole, if I should follow the legend of the villainous queen, or be completely sympathetic to the wronged princess. Although Mary had a very tragic childhood after her parents divorced, she became a monster and she turned into the bloody legend that she is remembered as. As a princess Mary was so sweet and beautiful. By the time Mary became Queen of England, she had become a tyrant and became so cruel that she was hated and feared. While I do feel very sorry for Mary, I am sure that killing others for being protestant, being cruel and brutal, and taking your rage anger and frustration as well as wish for revenge was not the answer. I honestly see Mary as a victim and a villain, A victim as a princess and a villain as a queen.
I am a Christian and admire Mary's faith and loyalty to God. She refused to turn away from him, even when her practices re forbidden and I hope I am as brave and faithful as her when it comes to staying by God
Mary was both a victim and a villain and her father set her on that path and made her do terrible things but when Elizabeth came to the throne she showed that a woman can rule effectively and restored England in a way where everyone was happy except for the people who hated the fact she chose to stay a virgin
Wrong. Her father is not responsible for the evil that Mary did. She is not responsible for the evil he did. They both had a choice. They had a choice not to do those things. Yet they still did.
I agree with you 100%. But how could she have known differently? The Bible was in the hands of the pope so she couldn't have learned from it. Her own father killed his wives, so he wasn't a good remodel. And the regents were all for the killings.
Dragon Princess The Bible was written in Latin, which she knew. She read and understood it, the commoners however, didn't until it was translated. She believed that by burning the protestants alive, she was burning away their sins and purifying them for an afterlife in Heaven. With the exception of Cranmer, she wasn't killing them out of revenge, she truly believed she was saving their souls . She wasn't ignorant and uneducated, she was a fanatic and didn't think that her subjects should be able to make up their own minds and read the Bible themselves. Much like the fanatical muslims of our time.
Mary had one of the saddest stories. Torn from her mother and allowed only to meet once in 5 years to see each other. Was nearly killed by his own father for her supreme faith in GOD. Declared illegitimate by his own father the king Henry VIII. She was only welcome back the moment she compromises her own faith and conscience to save her court and so she professes that the king is the supreme ruler above all? and robbed of her own last will and wishes to be buried next to her own mother. Not given many accolades by the history of course from the Church of England, But highly acknowledge by the history and the universal church. Bloody Mary is an overkill since most of the Tudor family killed and burned people more than Mary did.
Henry ANNULLED his marriage to Katherine of Aragon; Anne Boleyn was NOT his mistress, that’s how she became his wife; and Anne would never have cut off her hair like that. What is happening here? Also, with the exception of Mary, the casting is absolutely horrendous. What IS this?
It was faithfulness to Catholicism... not God. If you don't understand that then you have not grasped the issue that tormented and caused wars in Europe for centuries.
Henry was actually well built until right before he killed Anne.... this actor is PERFECT.... for that time period after. He kept eating like he used to when he wasn’t exercising anymore.... and boy did he eat a lot.
She's a villain, staying true to her faith was great but killing made her no better that the people she said were villains and the evil people she killed. Even if she did have a reason it was not justifiable because she should have accepted the fact that she is too old to have a child or that she wasn't pregnant at all. Even so I feel sorry for her
The One her age had nothing to do with her not bearing a child she had female issues her entire life and probably had a miscarriage or was never able to be pregnant and the swelling was a sign of ovarian or some other cancer in her female organs that time period was also known to be highly vulnerable to illnesses that today would not kill she could have had cancer f her female parts and got a cold or flu there was an influenza epidemic or something mentioned maybe she caught it and coupled with her unknown cancer it killed her 42 is not old to die maybe then it may have been but its not old at all it was the prime of her life or would be today
Very interesting and entertaining. Queen Mary I wasn't to me a victim per say. I think she was a victim of circumstance. The torment she suffered as a child reflected her hardened heart as an adult.
At first when I learned about her before summer holiday in year 5, I was told that she killed those who are a bit naughty, but then few years later I watch this movie and it turns out she was the victim.
Victim most definitely, Mary is one of the most tragic, unfairly treated figures in history. The so called "Bloody Mary" title was essentially a conjured up myth of Protestant propaganda to make her out as some bloodthirsty monster, while completely ignoring the tragic life she was forced to endure before she even became Queen. You could write a freaking book detailing all the horrible things this poor woman endured and struggled with throughout her life. From the way her Father treated her, how he abandoned her mother, being cast out from the line of succession, having to live in fear of being killed by that homewrecker Anne Boleyn, being forced to care for her half sister Elizabeth (humiliation is an understatement) The almost countless times she was denied happiness, as well as all the efforts made to deny her the right to practice her own religion, which was the only thing that helped her endure all of what she went through, she not only suffered psychological trauma but physical illness much of her life as well. It's very likely that she suffered with some form of PTSD. Concerning the Protestants she burned roughly 300, by the way it was the Protestants who did everything in their power to prevent Mary from becoming Queen by manipulating her younger brother Edward to remove her from the succession thus violating the 3rd succession act, passed by Parliament in 1543 and decreed in his father Henry VIII's own will. Then when Mary finally did become Queen she immediately had to deal with at least 2 protestant rebellions even after she initially declared that she would not force anyone to follow the Catholic faith, so she burned those who she believed were heretics. Henry VIII killed almost 60,000 Catholics and Protestants Elizabeth I also executed tens of thousands of Catholics and Protestants Mary killed 300, a fraction of those body counts and yet she's the monster? Again Prodestant propaganda did its job well and proved that history Is written by the winners. Mary was no saint, and I don't condone her actions nor anyone else who kills out of vanity. But seriously history failed to be objective and fair in Mary Tudor's case as it's done so frequently. One more thing, I'm sick of hearing how the Reformation was such a great thing, I don't think the 30 years war that killed around 8 million people was a good thing. And for what? Two corrupt religious factions engaging in who's god had a bigger D!#k . The English reformation in particular(Dissolution of the Monasteries) was similar to the Viking raids of the 8th century, only diffrence was the Vikings when they burned and sacked monasteries and churches they came by ship.
I get annoyed when people act like Elizabeth some innocent queen she locked and killed a few female cousins just because they wanted to get married. She was like a bitter women tbh. Mary kills Protestant which makes her evil but when Elizabeth kills Catholics oh that different. No bitch no it not your punishing people for their religious belief. King and queen all done shitty things that what I want people to understand their no innocent ruler during those times. This Mary vs Elizabeth is stupid who more innocent 🙄
Me too i thought that she is just a horrifying bad spirit but once i watched this film, i realized that she has a horrifying past and i say that she is a victim
lps live in was never scared of her i never feared her every haunted sole has a reason to be torturing or killing people and haunting people no spirit is bad every spirit is good they are just scared
@@Quirky_Ventriloquist It usually happens that when the hair gets older it gets dark, the same must have happened to Elizabeth, but the difference was that Elizabeth had a great propaganda team and also great wigs.
Bloody Mary is a wrong name for her. Poor her, never felt enough love and care she wanted so bad, had to deal with her father, siblings, husband, had a cancer. Killing people is bad but she had Henry's blood and I believe other monarchs kill more people than her. She's both victim and villain. She's a queen. Jeez I just hate how people treat girls back then, if Henry ever stopped to want a son. He never realized what he had, great daughters and feature queens of England.
I say that she is a victim because if she is a villian then she should be killing random people for no reason since at the beginning of the film i mean i could even imagine on what happens if she is a villian. In the beginning, i could imagine that she is killing random people in random places she go...
She made abhorrent choices as queen, but it’s understandable how she became that person. Henry set this whole mess in motion. Factor the religious conflicts of her day, beliefs of the time ... a disaster. Sadly, she genuinely believed she was doing right.
I have always felt sorry for both Mary and Elizabeth. Henry discarded Catherine (Mary's mother) and had Anne (Elizabeth's mother) executed. Both girls were declared illegitimate when their brother Edward was born (in 1553-- later to be Edward VI) I also think that BOTH Henry and Cathrine were remiss in not marrying off Mary to a foreign king when she was young. So that one of her children might have been able to come back to England to be king. She married Philip II of Spain (in 1554) when she was 38 That was too late to reasonably start a family. They should have married her off during the 10+ years before he found Anne Boleyn. During one of Catherine's pregnancies (her last one), Henry impregnated Bessie Blount. Henry and Bessie's child, Henry (1519-1536) was legitimized as Henry FitzRoy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset. He did not grow up with Mary and Elizabeth. He had already died by the time Henry VIII 's and his wife Jane Seymour's son was born (1537 - 1553) Henry's and Jane's son was later known as Edward VI (his rule began in 1547. He ruled for 6 years, coming to the throne when he was 10 years old). Catherine of Aragon (1485 - 1536) Married: Arthur, Prince of Wales (m. 1501--1502) Married Henry VIII (m.1509, annulled 1533) Catherine and Henry married seven (7) years after Arthur's death. *Catherine of Aragon's children with Henry VIII* Daughter: ... 31 January 1510 (Miscarried at about six months gestation Henry: ........ (1 January 1511-- 22 February 1511 (Died suddenly reason not known) Son: ............ c. 17 September 1513 (Either miscarried or stillborn or lived a few hours) Son: ............ November/December 1514 (Stillborn) [Cardinal] Wolsey wrote in a letter on 15 November that Catherine was "to lie in shortly." -- Wikipedia Two letters in December mention Catherine lost a child. -- Wikipedia *Mary:* ...... 18 February 1516 *Became Queen Mary I of England (July 1553-1558)* Died: 17 November 1558 Daughter: ... 10 November 1518 (Stillborn) [Henrry's legitimized son, Henry, Duke of Richmond/Somerset was born 15 June 1519. His mother was Bessie Blount. See above] [ *Henry married Anne Boleyn in 1533* Fifteen (15) years after Catherine's last child died, Seventeen (17) years after the future Mary I had been born. Fourteen (14) years before Henry Fitzroy had been born and three (3) years before Henry Fitzroy (d. 1536) died. Elizabeth (who became Elizabeth I) was born on 7 September 1533 (1533 - 1603) Elizabeth had no known children.]
Basically, she's a victim that was pushed to the limit to become a villain. I mean, all that drama. But I wouldn't have killed..... I'd just prank people or whatever
She was a victim! Just because Henry VIII was headstrong about having a boy heir to his throne! And he unloaded his rage towards Queen Catherine of Aragon, and his own daughter who could’ve been herself a great Queen Of England, but to The King she was just a girl. Mary I carried her warrior blood through her veins through her mother and grandma Isabel I of Castile. Henry VIII’s father was known as the pre tender because it was said he was a bastard of mother lady Margaret Beaufort. She wasn’t able to conceive any children with his “father” Edmund Tudor, 1st Earl of Richmond. Also, it was said According to history since the War of the Roses during Henry VII reign, him and his wife Elizabeth of York, were cursed to never having a male heir due to Henry VII executing the real king to the throne Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York. He, Henry VIII was cursed. And so on the curse followed.
She's a victim and they made her a villian by doing what they did to her. I guess it was just a reaction to how she was treated and we named it being a villian
Mary Tudor was definitely a victim. She truly loved her mother Katherine of Aragon and was forbidden see her. Katherine of Aragon died isolated, sad, and the cause was heart cancer. History tells the story about Mary Tudor being scolded for being against her father and growing into a bitter old sickly woman. Didn’t Mary Tudor have boyfriends as a young adult? Any friends? If her her parents divorce was her only focus...then she was a victim and was groomed to be a despot.
I don't understand why labels are always so black and white- good or bad, villain or victim. I've never met anyone who fits the mold of good or bad; people are more complex and have good and bad traits. The enemy may be the villain to you but they are the hero in the eyes of those who support them and vice versa. Mary was a villain in the eyes of the Protestants but the heroine in the eyes of the Catholics. She was a victim of Henry VIII's and Anne Boleyn's love story and a mass murderer of the Protestants. She wasn't born evil and to a certain degree she was made evil by the circumstances she grew up in. However, the abuse she endured in her formative years doesn't excuse the actions and choices she made as an adult; it does explain why she became such a vengeful and cruel monarch.
The whole history is just ridiculous! Mary is Both a Victim and a Villain, however she has been affected because of her father the King wanting a son and casting her out until he had a son. Then the counsel who had the power to control a young naive king to order Mary of changing her belief (because they see it as a threat to the religion they are part of and the 'power' they have). Therefore, a lot that affected her was constant pressure from others and her not allowing to have the course of change around her and in the end she's been hated by the people, because she wasn't following change of laws. In addition, they found a new better queen even though she eventually has a terrible fate a well. Overall, their history is depressing.
Now I ain't no biology expert, but it can't be the mothers fault if she has a girl, as females can only pass on "X" chromosomes, whereas the male can pass on either an "X" or a "Y" chromosome
Should have made point to show/mention how she had to serve Elizabeth did not live like princess but loved her despised Anne and close with Edward until huge fight at Christmas
If you are talking about the Calligraphy. It has to be taught. I learned it in 11th grade art class. But couldn't write it today. It definitely takes patience...
I feel sorry for Edward. He was just a sheltered child put on the throne far too young, and did whatever the grown-ups around him told him to do. Basically just a brainwashed bubble boy puppet.
If she had a big heart at all, Elizabeth too suffered much quite the same thing. She's been away from Anne for almost of her life, she's been imprisoned by her own half sister and almost killed in some occasion, by the Catholic! Still, she doesn't burn people just because their beliefs
Poisoning was a possibility for her death but wasn’t proven since it was almost impossible to test for Such back then , it was thought that Katherine of Aragon’s death was caused by poor health ,dirty environments ,molded food and mistreatments
I say that she was a victim she never knew the life of a normal child she was neglected and must of felt that no one loved her no child should ever see their mother getting killed a specially at the age she was I feel she was a villain when older because the things she went through as a child
If Mary is a villain for killing Protestants then so is Henry and “good Queen Bess” for killing Catholics. Henry was vile for separating a child from her mother
she was victim and she have been queen along time ago and the villian part came in to when they treated her so badly. she kept her christian faith in god to me no only surprised me but made me happy that is a jesus believer.
Can't help but feel bad for Mary after learning what she endured during her younger years. All in all she can be seen as both a victim and a villain. Mary started out as a victim, but became a villain due to the actions of her vile father. For the majority of her life while Henry VIII was alive, she sought constantly to earn his respect, approval and unconditional love that any normal parent would give their child, but never received any of that from him. It was right at 1:02:00 where she asks "Have I pleased you?" that one can clearly get the idea she wasn't speaking with God but her father.
Me too 😢
I love the Spanish in the beginning. I get a real feel for what little Mary would have sounded like. She was half Spanish so she would have spoken it with her Mother and her ladies
Rejected by her Dad, rejected by her sister, rejected by her people, rejected by her husband. A very lonely figure.
She also rejected her husband in a way. She loved him, but she didn't let him overrule her in the matters of the kingdom. Philip tried to manipulate her and have things his way, but even though he was a king in title, Mary made sure he had the role of a consort and her of a monarch. She also passed an act to ensure that future queen regnants have more power than their male consorts. This was one of the main reasons Philip rejected her.
And she was much more loved by her people than we are led to believe. Protestant propaganda led people to believe otherwise, but even upon her death she was still popular with a good amount of the english people. Just not as popular as before
@@LepakshiJaideep A lot of the atrocities during her reign were due to her husband. A reign was mild before her marriage.
@@malcolmabram2957 You're *definitely* right about this, but she also stopped him from doing some of the other stuff. I feel like she prevented him from making her reign 3x worse than it was by putting her foot down at times
Can’t she be both? Being the victim turned her into the villain, but I don’t exactly blame her ya know?
I don't blame her either
This presentation was super refreshing. I hope one is done about Elizabeth too. I
think she honestly both a villain and a victim.
Imagine being declared a bastard by your own father at a time when the stain of illegitimacy was a fate akin to death
A simple well-put statement that sums up a lot.
Also, all those Tudor princesses were raised with an absolute belief in monarchial correctness.
Unfortunately, they disagreed with each other, and none of them were backing down.
she was both. The only surviving child of Queen Catherine whom many believed was poisoned as she refused to step aside. i always felt it was cruel keeping mpther and daughter separated. Declared a bastard by her father who did finally welcome her back to court once she agreed to accept him as supreme head of the church only to be declared a bastard again y her brother.
She became a villian when she became queen though she hadnt wanted to cut off Jane Greys head. A disasterous marriage phantom pregnancies and the constant campaign to turn england Catholic again Ive always believed drove her mad and hastened her death at 42
Don't forget also that the Plantagenet Countess of Salisbury, Margaret de la Pole (the daughter of Edward IV's brother George, the one who was reputedly 'drowned in a butt of Malmsey') was like a second mother to Mary. Henry VIII, with the traditional Tudor paranoia, had her executed when she was in her sixties, a good age for the time. It is said that even the men who witnessed this, brutal as those times were, were shocked at the spectacle as the Countess refused to lay her head on the block, citing her innocence and the executioner had to hack her to death whilst chasing her. Another tragic loss for Mary.
Kym Rawlins she wasn't poisoned they think it was some form of cancer on the heart I think she essentially died of a broken heart due to her child being deperated from her by a man she thought she could trust Catherine was Spanish royalty Henry would never have risked killing her thats why he sent her away instead of doing what he did to Anne Boleyn if he had killed Catherine of Aragon he would have had a nasty war on his hands between Spain and England he wasn't stupid enough to risk that
I blame Henry. He was a sorry excuse of a man, father and husband.
Victim she has split from her mother and never even get to say goodbye. Plus be treated like a princess then a bastard. Then a princess again. Her life was full of drama.
Well theirs a drama queen now because she had a drama life but no offence also bloody Mary’s baby was stolen that’s probably why she killed people
All kings and queens had a duty to kill those who would oppose and kill them.
Mary was a survivalist.
And Onlt done what those beneath her forced her into doing.
She was not a murderer.
She defended hersrlf like any man or woman in her position with strength would do.
I am to weak to kill,so i would have built a nice dungeon for the heretics and opposers.
His father was mad like a cow and her stepmother Anne was evil and ambitious.
Carlos Marcial ambitious, yes. But it’s kinda unfair to regard her as evil
If you are going to call Mary a persecutor, you have to give Elizabeth the same moniker.
The pain she went through in childhood turned her heart cold stone
same here im pretty much emotionless now but i can still fake a smile
Ok she wasn't cruel to all people. She was doing what she thought was right. We can't really judge them because they lived in such a different time and era than ours. We of course see their story with 21st century glasses.
@@isidroguevara4120 exactly!
Im a cristhian
@@isidroguevara4120 Right. Religion was everything back then and literally marked out everyone's days. It is hard for us to really understand what it was like back then. Mary did think what she was doing was right, although I can't imagine anyone burning a human being alive. Such a cruel and horrendous death which must be offensive to God.
Childhood trauma and bullying by society literally turned her into a monster but, I feel bad for her
Actually, she was not a monster. She was a saint compared to Henry viii, Elizabeth i and Edward vi.
Mary killed 300 people over 5 years. That is about 60 people a year.
Elizabeth killed thousands of people, including 450 in ONE day in 1569, more than Mary killed in 5 years.
Edward had a few thousand people executed in his 6 year reign, and Henry killed tens of thousands of people.
These are all statistical facts. You could say that Mary burned people alive, but Elizabeth and Henry often had them hung, drawn and quartered, which is 3x more brutal.
I have been very unsure of what to think of Mary as a whole, if I should follow the legend of the villainous queen, or be completely sympathetic to the wronged princess. Although Mary had a very tragic childhood after her parents divorced, she became a monster and she turned into the bloody legend that she is remembered as. As a princess Mary was so sweet and beautiful. By the time Mary became Queen of England, she had become a tyrant and became so cruel that she was hated and feared. While I do feel very sorry for Mary, I am sure that killing others for being protestant, being cruel and brutal, and taking your rage anger and frustration as well as wish for revenge was not the answer. I honestly see Mary as a victim and a villain, A victim as a princess and a villain as a queen.
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I agree with you
Look what the bitch Qween did to the poet Robert Southwell.
@@uncatila Robert Southwell was tortured and killed by Elizabeth.
Much of her atrocity started occur after her marriage to Phillip.
I am a Christian and admire Mary's faith and loyalty to God. She refused to turn away from him, even when her practices re forbidden and I hope I am as brave and faithful as her when it comes to staying by God
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She was actually a catholic
Or maybe I’m wrong don’t know but I am also Christian
Her loyalty wasn't to "God" it was to the catholic faith.
@@dearia7959 Catholics are Christians too.
Of course, she is the villain, but every villain was once a victim.
Accept for Ted Bundy
Agreed
Dhurbo Ahmed no not every villain some had fine childhoods and grew up to be awful people anyways
She may be a victim, she was neglected, ignored, but she had no right to kill. She is a victim and a villian
I agree she is both a victim and villain..
I would very much agree on that claim. Mary was a victim as a princess and was a villain when she became queen.
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Mary was both a victim and a villain and her father set her on that path and made her do terrible things but when Elizabeth came to the throne she showed that a woman can rule effectively and restored England in a way where everyone was happy except for the people who hated the fact she chose to stay a virgin
Wrong. Her father is not responsible for the evil that Mary did. She is not responsible for the evil he did. They both had a choice. They had a choice not to do those things. Yet they still did.
I admire her for staying true to her faith but killing all those people was wrong. I'm Christian, and I know God would not have wanted that.
Isa A ay me too im christian..... i gues but i am
I agree with you 100%. But how could she have known differently? The Bible was in the hands of the pope so she couldn't have learned from it. Her own father killed his wives, so he wasn't a good remodel. And the regents were all for the killings.
No no he would not
Dragon Princess The Bible was written in Latin, which she knew. She read and understood it, the commoners however, didn't until it was translated. She believed that by burning the protestants alive, she was burning away their sins and purifying them for an afterlife in Heaven. With the exception of Cranmer, she wasn't killing them out of revenge, she truly believed she was saving their souls . She wasn't ignorant and uneducated, she was a fanatic and didn't think that her subjects should be able to make up their own minds and read the Bible themselves. Much like the fanatical muslims of our time.
LivingTheSaltLife good point :)
If you hate her it's ok, but she is an incredible historical character and a serie or a movie based on her life can be AMAZING
In one point of view she is a villain in another she is a victim, so she is both
Yes she is villain and victim both also
she was both.a victims,because she suffered in her life,but a villain because she killed people.she’s a lot like her father
Mary had one of the saddest stories. Torn from her mother and allowed only to meet once in 5 years to see each other. Was nearly killed by his own father for her supreme faith in GOD. Declared illegitimate by his own father the king Henry VIII. She was only welcome back the moment she compromises her own faith and conscience to save her court and so she professes that the king is the supreme ruler above all? and robbed of her own last will and wishes to be buried next to her own mother. Not given many accolades by the history of course from the Church of England, But highly acknowledge by the history and the universal church. Bloody Mary is an overkill since most of the Tudor family killed and burned people more than Mary did.
Henry ANNULLED his marriage to Katherine of Aragon; Anne Boleyn was NOT his mistress, that’s how she became his wife; and Anne would never have cut off her hair like that. What is happening here? Also, with the exception of Mary, the casting is absolutely horrendous. What IS this?
Sad, victim turned villian. May she and all those who were ruined in mind, heart and soul during these turbelant times RIP
She was a victim. I respect her faithfulness towards God but i think God would disagree on killing all those people..
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Heresy was burnable.
i agree, she was a victim
It was faithfulness to Catholicism... not God.
If you don't understand that then you have not grasped the issue that tormented and caused wars in Europe for centuries.
@@patgee2139 You are absolutely correct. I've realized that after some time.
Mary is the victim. Henry is the villan
She's a victim of her circumstance.
Henry was actually well built until right before he killed Anne.... this actor is PERFECT.... for that time period after. He kept eating like he used to when he wasn’t exercising anymore.... and boy did he eat a lot.
She's a villain, staying true to her faith was great but killing made her no better that the people she said were villains and the evil people she killed. Even if she did have a reason it was not justifiable because she should have accepted the fact that she is too old to have a child or that she wasn't pregnant at all. Even so I feel sorry for her
The One her age had nothing to do with her not bearing a child she had female issues her entire life and probably had a miscarriage or was never able to be pregnant and the swelling was a sign of ovarian or some other cancer in her female organs that time period was also known to be highly vulnerable to illnesses that today would not kill she could have had cancer f her female parts and got a cold or flu there was an influenza epidemic or something mentioned maybe she caught it and coupled with her unknown cancer it killed her 42 is not old to die maybe then it may have been but its not old at all it was the prime of her life or would be today
Very interesting and entertaining. Queen Mary I wasn't to me a victim per say. I think she was a victim of circumstance. The torment she suffered as a child reflected her hardened heart as an adult.
The contemporary interview style is unusual, but I thought it worked here. Very nice.
I found it pretty funny
At first when I learned about her before summer holiday in year 5, I was told that she killed those who are a bit naughty, but then few years later I watch this movie and it turns out she was the victim.
Victim most definitely, Mary is one of the most tragic, unfairly treated figures in history. The so called "Bloody Mary" title was essentially a conjured up myth of Protestant propaganda to make her out as some bloodthirsty monster, while completely ignoring the tragic life she was forced to endure before she even became Queen.
You could write a freaking book detailing all the horrible things this poor woman endured and struggled with throughout her life. From the way her Father treated her, how he abandoned her mother, being cast out from the line of succession, having to live in fear of being killed by that homewrecker Anne Boleyn, being forced to care for her half sister Elizabeth (humiliation is an understatement) The almost countless times she was denied happiness, as well as all the efforts made to deny her the right to practice her own religion, which was the only thing that helped her endure all of what she went through, she not only suffered psychological trauma but physical illness much of her life as well. It's very likely that she suffered with some form of PTSD.
Concerning the Protestants she burned roughly 300, by the way it was the Protestants who did everything in their power to prevent Mary from becoming Queen by manipulating her younger brother Edward to remove her from the succession thus violating the 3rd succession act, passed by Parliament in 1543 and decreed in his father Henry VIII's own will. Then when Mary finally did become Queen she immediately had to deal with at least 2 protestant rebellions even after she initially declared that she would not force anyone to follow the Catholic faith, so she burned those who she believed were heretics.
Henry VIII killed almost 60,000 Catholics and Protestants
Elizabeth I also executed tens of thousands of Catholics and Protestants
Mary killed 300, a fraction of those body counts and yet she's the monster?
Again Prodestant propaganda did its job well and proved that history Is written by the winners.
Mary was no saint, and I don't condone her actions nor anyone else who kills out of vanity. But seriously history failed to be objective and fair in Mary Tudor's case as it's done so frequently.
One more thing, I'm sick of hearing how the Reformation was such a great thing, I don't think the 30 years war that killed around 8 million people was a good thing. And for what? Two corrupt religious factions engaging in who's god had a bigger D!#k . The English reformation in particular(Dissolution of the Monasteries) was similar to the Viking raids of the 8th century, only diffrence was the Vikings when they burned and sacked monasteries and churches they came by ship.
DarkSektori she didn’t have to kill Protestant children that is where she becomes a Villain
I get annoyed when people act like Elizabeth some innocent queen she locked and killed a few female cousins just because they wanted to get married. She was like a bitter women tbh. Mary kills Protestant which makes her evil but when Elizabeth kills Catholics oh that different. No bitch no it not your punishing people for their religious belief. King and queen all done shitty things that what I want people to understand their no innocent ruler during those times. This Mary vs Elizabeth is stupid who more innocent 🙄
@@QOP13 👏 I've been saying that for years.
Anne was not a homewrecker do you research
AAAWWWW now I feel bad for being scared of her
Me too i thought that she is just a horrifying bad spirit but once i watched this film, i realized that she has a horrifying past and i say that she is a victim
lps live in was never scared of her i never feared her every haunted sole has a reason to be torturing or killing people and haunting people no spirit is bad every spirit is good they are just scared
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Me to I thought she was a satanic person
same
I believe that she was a villain because she was feared and killed many people but I also believe she was a victim.
Now I certainly feel bad for being scared of Mary...
As a fellow Catholic, Mary's faith and devotion was very admirable but killing those people for beliefs is inexcusable.
Ira Wiliamson she really believed if she did not do it it would be done to her
Yes it is excusable
The little 'Mary' looked more like Elizabeth 1
In fact Mary was a red hair just like Elizabeth, her mother Queen Catherine of aragon was red hair and also her father King Henry the VIII.
@@camijaque2291 I thought Mary had brown hair because of her portraits
@@Quirky_Ventriloquist It usually happens that when the hair gets older it gets dark, the same must have happened to Elizabeth, but the difference was that Elizabeth had a great propaganda team and also great wigs.
@@camijaque2291my hair did the opposite. I had brown hair and then, when I hit 30, the Celtic genes kicked in and now my hair is auburn/ginger 😂😂😂😂😂
Bloody Mary is a wrong name for her. Poor her, never felt enough love and care she wanted so bad, had to deal with her father, siblings, husband, had a cancer. Killing people is bad but she had Henry's blood and I believe other monarchs kill more people than her. She's both victim and villain. She's a queen. Jeez I just hate how people treat girls back then, if Henry ever stopped to want a son. He never realized what he had, great daughters and feature queens of England.
just search about her. she was a brave, brilliant woman. and she had so much mercy
Damn, I don't understand every word! But i already know that Mary is a victim!
Same dude
I say that she is a victim because if she is a villian then she should be killing random people for no reason since at the beginning of the film i mean i could even imagine on what happens if she is a villian. In the beginning, i could imagine that she is killing random people in random places she go...
being a victim in your youth dont exuse or erase the villany done in her adulthood
Both, but I’m leaning towards the victim side...she was still my sister and didn’t deserve any of the things that happened to her 🥺💔😭
A victim of many wrongs -isn't that what makes a magnificent villain?
This is an exceptional production 🖤
MY BIRTHDAY IS IN THIS FILM... I’m not going to say which one though
She made abhorrent choices as queen, but it’s understandable how she became that person. Henry set this whole mess in motion. Factor the religious conflicts of her day, beliefs of the time ... a disaster. Sadly, she genuinely believed she was doing right.
I have always felt sorry for both Mary and Elizabeth. Henry discarded Catherine (Mary's mother) and had Anne (Elizabeth's mother)
executed. Both girls were declared illegitimate when their brother Edward was born (in 1553-- later to be Edward VI)
I also think that BOTH Henry and Cathrine were remiss in not marrying off Mary to a foreign king when she was young. So that one
of her children might have been able to come back to England to be king. She married Philip II of Spain (in 1554) when she was 38
That was too late to reasonably start a family. They should have married her off during the 10+ years before he found Anne Boleyn.
During one of Catherine's pregnancies (her last one), Henry impregnated Bessie Blount. Henry and Bessie's child, Henry (1519-1536)
was legitimized as Henry FitzRoy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset. He did not grow up with Mary and Elizabeth. He had already
died by the time Henry VIII 's and his wife Jane Seymour's son was born (1537 - 1553) Henry's and Jane's son was later known as
Edward VI (his rule began in 1547. He ruled for 6 years, coming to the throne when he was 10 years old).
Catherine of Aragon (1485 - 1536) Married: Arthur, Prince of Wales (m. 1501--1502) Married Henry VIII (m.1509, annulled 1533)
Catherine and Henry married seven (7) years after Arthur's death.
*Catherine of Aragon's children with Henry VIII*
Daughter: ... 31 January 1510 (Miscarried at about six months gestation
Henry: ........ (1 January 1511-- 22 February 1511 (Died suddenly reason not known)
Son: ............ c. 17 September 1513 (Either miscarried or stillborn or lived a few hours)
Son: ............ November/December 1514 (Stillborn)
[Cardinal] Wolsey wrote in a letter on 15 November that Catherine was "to lie in shortly." -- Wikipedia
Two letters in December mention Catherine lost a child. -- Wikipedia
*Mary:* ...... 18 February 1516 *Became Queen Mary I of England (July 1553-1558)* Died: 17 November 1558
Daughter: ... 10 November 1518 (Stillborn)
[Henrry's legitimized son, Henry, Duke of Richmond/Somerset was born 15 June 1519. His mother was Bessie Blount. See above]
[ *Henry married Anne Boleyn in 1533* Fifteen (15) years after Catherine's last child died, Seventeen (17) years after the future
Mary I had been born. Fourteen (14) years before Henry Fitzroy had been born and three (3) years before Henry Fitzroy (d. 1536)
died. Elizabeth (who became Elizabeth I) was born on 7 September 1533 (1533 - 1603) Elizabeth had no known children.]
I feel bad for Elizabeth because of her past
Sharon Tackett still she doesn't take vengeance, so I must say she has a good heart compared to Mary I
DontGiveup no but I know she knows her mother killed, but of course, I can see why she was so vengeful. . Mary I mean
Ima Karimah id say otherwise Mary did not deserve what she got
@@kim7990u know nothing of Mary girl had a huge heart
She is a victim...THE POOR LITTLE GIRL!!!!!!
Basically, she's a victim that was pushed to the limit to become a villain. I mean, all that drama. But I wouldn't have killed..... I'd just prank people or whatever
She was a victim! Just because Henry VIII was headstrong about having a boy heir to his throne! And he unloaded his rage towards Queen Catherine of Aragon, and his own daughter who could’ve been herself a great Queen Of England, but to The King she was just a girl. Mary I carried her warrior blood through her veins through her mother and grandma Isabel I of Castile. Henry VIII’s father was known as the pre tender because it was said he was a bastard of mother lady Margaret Beaufort. She wasn’t able to conceive any children with his “father” Edmund Tudor, 1st Earl of Richmond. Also, it was said According to history since the War of the Roses during Henry VII reign, him and his wife Elizabeth of York, were cursed to never having a male heir due to Henry VII executing the real king to the throne Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York. He, Henry VIII was cursed. And so on the curse followed.
And don't forget, her husband neglect her.
didnt she burn people or something
Now I feel bad about being so scared about her she is a little queen
BTW it's victim
She died at 41 Mary I
@@keobooks it's 42 😊
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I happen to think she was both victim and villian. We are shaped by how we live.
She's a victim and they made her a villian by doing what they did to her. I guess it was just a reaction to how she was treated and we named it being a villian
complete victim
That is what antisemites say about Hitler
33:56 this is how the Dab was created by the guards in the background
This film should be shown in film school on what not to do
If my father done me like Mary’s did, I’m afraid I’d probably be a villain!
I not Christian but I believe in God and I pray to him along with my grandad
What?
Bloody Mary is a victim at the same time a villain.
I understand her feelings. She would like to share her pain when her mother died she became so cruel.
Mary Tudor was definitely a victim. She truly loved her mother Katherine of Aragon and was forbidden see her. Katherine of Aragon died isolated, sad, and the cause was heart cancer. History tells the story about Mary Tudor being scolded for being against her father and growing into a bitter old sickly woman. Didn’t Mary Tudor have boyfriends as a young adult? Any friends? If her her parents divorce was her only focus...then she was a victim and was groomed to be a despot.
I don't understand why labels are always so black and white- good or bad, villain or victim. I've never met anyone who fits the mold of good or bad; people are more complex and have good and bad traits. The enemy may be the villain to you but they are the hero in the eyes of those who support them and vice versa. Mary was a villain in the eyes of the Protestants but the heroine in the eyes of the Catholics. She was a victim of Henry VIII's and Anne Boleyn's love story and a mass murderer of the Protestants. She wasn't born evil and to a certain degree she was made evil by the circumstances she grew up in. However, the abuse she endured in her formative years doesn't excuse the actions and choices she made as an adult; it does explain why she became such a vengeful and cruel monarch.
Poor mary .....😔
The whole history is just ridiculous!
Mary is Both a Victim and a Villain, however she has been affected because of her father the King wanting a son and casting her out until he had a son. Then the counsel who had the power to control a young naive king to order Mary of changing her belief (because they see it as a threat to the religion they are part of and the 'power' they have). Therefore, a lot that affected her was constant pressure from others and her not allowing to have the course of change around her and in the end she's been hated by the people, because she wasn't following change of laws. In addition, they found a new better queen even though she eventually has a terrible fate a well. Overall, their history is depressing.
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Now I ain't no biology expert, but it can't be the mothers fault if she has a girl, as females can only pass on "X" chromosomes, whereas the male can pass on either an "X" or a "Y" chromosome
Well they didn’t know they back then. They always blamed the woman.
15th Century English didn't have much knowledge of the human reproduction system...
RIP queen mary 😭😭😭 I almost cried
Should have made point to show/mention how she had to serve Elizabeth did not live like princess but loved her despised Anne and close with Edward until huge fight at Christmas
I like her writing, how do u write like that???😂😄😆❤
If you are talking about the Calligraphy. It has to be taught. I learned it in 11th grade art class. But couldn't write it today. It definitely takes patience...
“Thou shalt not kill.”
She claimed to know the Bible and the Ten Commandments, yet she murdered hundreds of innocent people over a “religion.”
You cut loads out of this version.
Elizabeth was right to end the tudor dynasty
And by not having children
Also... was it a curse or a blessing that Edward VI died at a young age
So pretty much, it boils down to Catholics focus is on Christs death, and Christians focus on the Resurrection...
She's a victim and a villan💔
Btw is bloody mary and human or a ghost?
PERFECCTT ANGEL [FERINS] She was a human...
Liphy yeah but now she's a ghost
smile smile! ,
She was a human, But now she's a ghost
PERFECCTT ANGEL [FERINS] both
At times, I felt as though I was watching a play.
This is both very interesting and sad.
This IS a play/film/video that is based on historical documents.
And, yes, it is sad and interesting contemporaneously.
She's a victim
She really went through a lot...i guess she just lost it in the end...the husband and baby thing just threw her over the edge!!!
I feel sorry for Edward. He was just a sheltered child put on the throne far too young, and did whatever the grown-ups around him told him to do. Basically just a brainwashed bubble boy puppet.
Poor her .. I think she was a victim .. Maybe her childhood was bad .. May cause her future
Being burnt alive is one of the worst ways to die in history
i say victim
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Me too think she is a victim
She is a víctim because of her fat her and his evil other wife the bad queen
Poor Mary :( I’m pretty sure she was a victim
If she had a big heart at all, Elizabeth too suffered much quite the same thing. She's been away from Anne for almost of her life, she's been imprisoned by her own half sister and almost killed in some occasion, by the Catholic! Still, she doesn't burn people just because their beliefs
You're right, Elizabeth doesn't burn anyone, simply execute, torture, decapitate thousands, and thousands of Catholics.
That poor victim turned into a villain.
Truley a sad story ... the way her mother was killed that was not the right ... exactly .. she was a victom!!😣😭😢
pink newyork Katherine of Aragon wasn't murdered. She was sent to live in a cold, damp castle which aided her demise but she wasn't murdered.
@@smithamy1982 she was poisoned
Poisoning was a possibility for her death but wasn’t proven since it was almost impossible to test for Such back then , it was thought that Katherine of Aragon’s death was caused by poor health ,dirty environments ,molded food and mistreatments
Henry and his children where monsters..Mary Elizabeth and Edward..
The historians talking weren't around at that time so how can they speak their experiences?or is it others?
theyre just acting
She is a victim she neglected and been ignored
Imo, bloody mary was both
Where is Lady Jane Grey in this thing and they don’t mention Henry killed protestants to .
and also catholics and so did Edward, and Lady Jane Grey cutted the ear of a boy who said she was no legitimate queen.
14:04 I'm starting to cry she is about to cry do you see her face
I say that she was a victim she never knew the life of a normal child she was neglected and must of felt that no one loved her no child should ever see their mother getting killed a specially at the age she was I feel she was a villain when older because the things she went through as a child
If Mary is a villain for killing Protestants then so is Henry and “good Queen Bess” for killing Catholics. Henry was vile for separating a child from her mother
I say victim
I really can't understand how you managed to forget about Queen Katherine Howard
the movie was focusing on mary, and i dont think her and katherine howard had much of a relationship
She was a victim who turned into a villain.
Mary Tudor was a disturbing example of reactive abuse and religious activism.
Mary as a child- orange hair and blue greenish eyes
Teenager - brown hair and brown eyes
Me- surprised Pikachu face
Best story.. it makes me cry about Mary. God Bless her soul !!
she was victim and she have been queen along time ago and the villian part came in to when they treated her so badly. she kept her christian faith in god to me no only surprised me but made me happy that is a jesus believer.