I've read that all brands of trucks are having the same problem with the cams and lifters , are they all buying them from the same supplier? If so then the suppliers should be held liable
Unfortunately, if the supplier priced in liability, then the OEM wouldn't buy them. Most OEMs have a scrap allowance to get the really low prices per part, the supplier makes low margins on a high volume of parts.
7:39 Sums it all up. The lifter "tab" gets stuck because of rotating. EPA nonsense. You only get 1 or 2 mi per gallon at most with mds. If you buy a V8 you want a V8 all the time. Not a V4. If you want fuel economy buy a Toyota. EPA does the thinking for us.
I'd be interested in a 5.0L inline six with a single, twin scroll turbo and manual transmission. Would make for a great towing rig with enough displacement for some decent engine braking.
The Cadillac V8/6/4 was an early attempt at multi displacement. Didn't work well. Try Schaeffers or Lubrication Engineers oil. Their full synthetics are great products.
The 5.7 Hemi has its flaws but the Hurricane engines have their issues too. Time will tell if this was a good move. Oh, the Hemi might be making a comeback so it'll be interesting to see how they leverage it.
When you have to effectively downgrade a hemi to a pre-MDS state to make it reliable, how does that equate with the newer hurricane engine being superior? I like the idea of an inline 6 engine, but the twin turbo setup, along with all the plastic that is bolted onto that engine, and all the sensors... superior isn't how I'd describe it..
I have a like new 2025 Ram BigHorn 1500 with the SO hurricane with 5K miles. Currently in a fight with the dealer because it has been in their possession more than mine due to engine issues, electrical, mechanical, and more. Tell me how it will take over??
I have changed hundreds of Chinese roller lifters and cams in all brands. This hurricane engine uses the same junk Chinese lifters as any other brand vehicle
Thanks for the video. When the 2025 megacab gasoline engine version comes out, that will be interesting for content, especially if it is the Cummins octane engine
If the Hurricane engine was 4 or 5 liters, WITH a dipstick, the engine would be better received. The biggest problem with the Hemi is simply a lack of oil pressure. The Pentastar engines maintain 30psi or more. While the Hemi goes down to 5psi.
I’ve replaced more cams and lifters on the 3.6 by far compared to any Hemi. I’ve never had a cam or lifter issue on any of the 5 Hemis I’ve owned.🤷🏻♂️
@nathansummerville3972 - I currently have two 3.6L powered vehicles. A '20 Dodge Durango and a '23 Jeep JLU. I previously had a '16 Chrysler Town & Country, while my wife had a '14 Ram 1500 Crewcab 4wd 3.6L. None have an issue with the 3.6L other than the recall on the Ram 1500 for the oil cooler (which did not leak). My friend with Hemi engine vehicles before MDS, never had issues with cams and lifters. But the older engines had better oil pressure. My wife got a 6.7L Cummins when she bought her '18 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd. My wife thought the Hemi lacked power for pulling trailers with a camper in the bed of the truck (it is an aerodynamic thing not weight). If you have MDS and have had good service. Your driving style could have a lot to do with it. But still, a Hemi or any engine needs more than 5psi oil pressure at idle. I understand the Hellcat and other supercharged engines run full oil pressure all the time.
@@jameseroh6544 I’ve been in the auto repair industry for over 25 years. When I say I’ve done more 3.6 work I mean professionally. I’ve done maybe 4 Hemi’s and more than 100 3.6. The 3.6 cannot handle heat either. You can overheat a Hemi and it can survive. The 3.6 completely melts down every time. The Hurricane will be even worse.
Plus the magnum v-8s are way more reliable than the 5.7 hemi. Bag the roller lifter crap and use the hydrolic lifters that the magnums have. The hemi block also has very poor oiling ability.
As an owner on several Chrysler vehicles the 5.7 motor is the best motor they produce.. 2006 Chrysler 300C with 300 thousand miles no engine problems at all…That motor was proven…The Hurricane motor is very problematic without the hemi options Stellantis have lost a very loyal customer base..
yet the most popular engine in the best selling pick up is a V6, then a V6, followed by a V8 losing market share to a hybrid V6. Facts. Research them before posting when you don't at best you look ignorant and at worst insecure and ignorant.
@ there’s literally Millions of Hemi engines driving around and some are over 20 years old. Hurricanes will be lucky to be running in 20 years without thousands in repairs if even then… hurricanes haven’t been out long at all, can’t wait to see all the issues that occur long term, it’s a given
If only Mopar had to keep the 5.7 as an option like Ford does with the F150s standard engines would be say 3.6 V6 standard engine Optional 3.0 i6 Optional 5.7 V8
Well now that Carlo Tavares is not with stellantis any more and they brought back tim the mopar Jesus we just have to wait and see what's going to happen they are definitely bringing back the v8 maybe they just keep the inline six just to see how well they do, and fix the problem with parts no plastic parts that's a big problem they also having
The Hurricane engine block is disposable. There is no sleeves for the cylinders. It relies on a plasma arc coating that is about as thick as a human hair. All this to save a few pounds of iron liner weight.
Give the hurricane time. Remeber it's a Stellantis 💩 product. 🤣I wouldn't get my hopes set very high untill they have been on the road for 5 years. It's just another small, boosted engine developed by a bunch of woke engineers looking to minimize production costs, while increasing sales price. Their only goal is to pass EPA emissions with unrealistic dyno numbers, and to make it last long enough it's out of warranty when it grenades.
The Hurricane has plastic parts in the water pump and thermostat that cause failure, the problem is that the replacement parts are the same garbage. @davidporter7051
Those who have bought them and suffered the affects of Maintenance cost and engine defects that have been reported by consumers etc prove they are garbage which is all the all a smog motor is being these 6 cylinders will always be. It for damn sure is fact!!! Plus it's reviews it's getting say so as well I've done my research those motors are absolute trash
@DustinLaBombard you comment literally means little without the facts. You posted none and how many failures in nearly a million units have occurred? I'll save you a lot of mental gymnastics the failure rate isn't exceeding industry averages and is nearly at par with the Hemi which average at best in reliability at best.
Back to their routes, Ram and Ford where big on Inline 6 motors in their trucks. V8's did not show up until later. I would say an inline 6 is a better truck engine, V8's are nice in muscle cars or muscle trucks but if you want a working truck go Inline 6.
The Hurricane keeps the mechanic paid. Overly complex and unnecessary, it's the same in principle as a BMW engine, which means there's tons of plastic and electrical items in critical heat areas. The Hemi can continue if the cam metallurgy and lifter issue is fixed, the Hellcat or Melling spec oil pump is used universally and quality control is improved.
There is zero excuse for building crap in today's world. The ability to build and test an entire vehicle in a computer simulation has been around for a decade or more and only becomes more accurate and less time consuming as advances continue in the computing field. Between that and 100 years of ICE production experience there is absolutely zero reason for failure.
Well we don't care about the power those smoke motors make that's all those hurricanes are we care about that v8 sound that Henry ford introduced to America over 100 years ago. The hemi only enforced that love for such. There will never be "that day" when v8s especially the hemi will ever be "out of demand ". Smoke motors will always be trash and that's all these turbo 6s will always be. Notice the Buick grand national didn't last. Plus these engine manufacturers for these auto brands design these motors to fail just so they can make money at the expense of the customer. From what I've learned from the trump administration those days are numbered. Because they are all gonna be quality manufactured and tested right here in America. Problem solved
They’re always trying to invent the wheel. Just stick with what works. If this is it, so be it. They’ve ALL been overpriced junk that breaks down a lot.
They’re always trying to invent the wheel. Just stick with what works. If this is it, so be it. They’ve ALL been overpriced junk that breaks down a lot.
Hopefully if they decide to bring back the V8 they will fix the existing issues and make it more reliable
I've read that all brands of trucks are having the same problem with the cams and lifters , are they all buying them from the same supplier? If so then the suppliers should be held liable
Unfortunately, if the supplier priced in liability, then the OEM wouldn't buy them. Most OEMs have a scrap allowance to get the really low prices per part, the supplier makes low margins on a high volume of parts.
GMC had lifter cam as well. I suspect they buy from the same supplier.
First Ram 2001 8.0 v10
2nd 2016 3.6 v6
3rd 2023 5.7 Hemi.
My favorite is the 5.7 Hemi
7:39 Sums it all up. The lifter "tab" gets stuck because of rotating. EPA nonsense. You only get 1 or 2 mi per gallon at most with mds. If you buy a V8 you want a V8 all the time. Not a V4. If you want fuel economy buy a Toyota. EPA does the thinking for us.
Yeah. Like health insurance companies telling the DOCTOR no to his choice of meds.
FUBAR
Preventative maintenance: run quality synthetic 5w30, run synthetic oil filter, 6k oci, avoid idling.
Bring back the V8
I always come to the comments to gather all the knowledge from the certified mechanics and engine builders.
No. It was time for Dodge to ditch the MDS system and upgrade the oil pump/oiling system. Then the motor would be amazing
I'd be interested in a 5.0L inline six with a single, twin scroll turbo and manual transmission. Would make for a great towing rig with enough displacement for some decent engine braking.
The Cadillac V8/6/4 was an early attempt at multi displacement. Didn't work well. Try Schaeffers or Lubrication Engineers oil. Their full synthetics are great products.
The 5.7 Hemi has its flaws but the Hurricane engines have their issues too. Time will tell if this was a good move. Oh, the Hemi might be making a comeback so it'll be interesting to see how they leverage it.
I would be surprised if the hemi returns, we will probably see an aluminum block dohc direct injection v8 added to the lineup.
When you have to effectively downgrade a hemi to a pre-MDS state to make it reliable, how does that equate with the newer hurricane engine being superior?
I like the idea of an inline 6 engine, but the twin turbo setup, along with all the plastic that is bolted onto that engine, and all the sensors... superior isn't how I'd describe it..
5,000 psi injectors with plastic parts what could possibly go wrong 😅
Supposedly a v8 is coming back as a option
The problem with the hemi is it's not a parts problem it's an oiling design problem you will always have issues with the cam lifters no matter what
I’ll be curious to see how the Hurricane does long term as well as the coyote with the cylinder deactivation and wet belt for the oil pump.
I heard 2013 -15 5.7ltrs had the faulty lifters I believe they fixed the issue after that, Gm engines are junk they have huge issues
I have a like new 2025 Ram BigHorn 1500 with the SO hurricane with 5K miles. Currently in a fight with the dealer because it has been in their possession more than mine due to engine issues, electrical, mechanical, and more. Tell me how it will take over??
I have changed hundreds of Chinese roller lifters and cams in all brands. This hurricane engine uses the same junk Chinese lifters as any other brand vehicle
Thanks. That will save me $70,000
Thanks for the video. When the 2025 megacab gasoline engine version comes out, that will be interesting for content, especially if it is the Cummins octane engine
Me watching this right after I just got a 6.4... ;)
You're kind of behind the news. V8 is coming back and sooner rather than later.
no it's not. why are you posting straight up lies
If the Hurricane engine was 4 or 5 liters, WITH a dipstick, the engine would be better received. The biggest problem with the Hemi is simply a lack of oil pressure. The Pentastar engines maintain 30psi or more. While the Hemi goes down to 5psi.
Perhaps a higher viscosity oil would be better to use
@mikechevelle3418 - oil at any viscosity needs adequate pressure and flow.
I’ve replaced more cams and lifters on the 3.6 by far compared to any Hemi. I’ve never had a cam or lifter issue on any of the 5 Hemis I’ve owned.🤷🏻♂️
@nathansummerville3972 - I currently have two 3.6L powered vehicles. A '20 Dodge Durango and a '23 Jeep JLU. I previously had a '16 Chrysler Town & Country, while my wife had a '14 Ram 1500 Crewcab 4wd 3.6L. None have an issue with the 3.6L other than the recall on the Ram 1500 for the oil cooler (which did not leak). My friend with Hemi engine vehicles before MDS, never had issues with cams and lifters. But the older engines had better oil pressure. My wife got a 6.7L Cummins when she bought her '18 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd. My wife thought the Hemi lacked power for pulling trailers with a camper in the bed of the truck (it is an aerodynamic thing not weight).
If you have MDS and have had good service. Your driving style could have a lot to do with it. But still, a Hemi or any engine needs more than 5psi oil pressure at idle. I understand the Hellcat and other supercharged engines run full oil pressure all the time.
@@jameseroh6544 I’ve been in the auto repair industry for over 25 years. When I say I’ve done more 3.6 work I mean professionally. I’ve done maybe 4 Hemi’s and more than 100 3.6. The 3.6 cannot handle heat either. You can overheat a Hemi and it can survive. The 3.6 completely melts down every time. The Hurricane will be even worse.
Duty cycle❗-> there is no replacement for displacement. Larger V8 wins and keeps winning.
Tell that to a Ford I6 300....
Plus the magnum v-8s are way more reliable than the 5.7 hemi. Bag the roller lifter crap and use the hydrolic lifters that the magnums have. The hemi block also has very poor oiling ability.
@@joncarpenter984You're an idiot. Both the magnum and hemis use roller lifters.
As an owner on several Chrysler vehicles the 5.7 motor is the best motor they produce.. 2006 Chrysler 300C with 300 thousand miles no engine problems at all…That motor was proven…The Hurricane motor is very problematic without the hemi options Stellantis have lost a very loyal customer base..
My family has owned a dozen 5.7’s, exhaust tick and manifold fix yes, lifter/cam issues, zero
5.9 Magnum at 290k no issues
Also it's a 96
After all these new age problems, I'm guessing Mike has a 5 speed manual, 12 valve cummins, ram 3500.
I want to see GM recall work on the software failure issue repairs
Taking away a V8 motor in a full size truck is just stupid, but it's Stellantis, we should expect stupid garbage from them.
Toyota did too
Ford and Chevy are doing the same thing
@@joncarpenter984
they both still offer the V8 option.
@@iuyozx And how is that working out for them?
yet the most popular engine in the best selling pick up is a V6, then a V6, followed by a V8 losing market share to a hybrid V6. Facts. Research them before posting when you don't at best you look ignorant and at worst insecure and ignorant.
Hurricane motors already having tons of issues. The thermostat housing is a joke
The Hurricane engines are having no more issues than that of the Hemi did in its infancy !!! Hell Hemi still wipeout cams and break exhaust studs.
@ there’s literally Millions of Hemi engines driving around and some are over 20 years old. Hurricanes will be lucky to be running in 20 years without thousands in repairs if even then… hurricanes haven’t been out long at all, can’t wait to see all the issues that occur long term, it’s a given
Every engine has problems it's not a surprise....
If only Mopar had to keep the 5.7 as an option like Ford does with the F150s standard engines would be say
3.6 V6 standard engine
Optional 3.0 i6
Optional 5.7 V8
It's not the type of engine. It's the quality of the parts.
Never 👎
HEMI will ALWAYS be superior!
Ya ok 👌👌
Why is it when they make a good engine and then screw it up.
Well now that Carlo Tavares is not with stellantis any more and they brought back tim the mopar Jesus we just have to wait and see what's going to happen they are definitely bringing back the v8 maybe they just keep the inline six just to see how well they do, and fix the problem with parts no plastic parts that's a big problem they also having
The Hurricane engine block is disposable. There is no sleeves for the cylinders. It relies on a plasma arc coating that is about as thick as a human hair. All this to save a few pounds of iron liner weight.
You're trying to tell people the hemi isn't a parent bore disposable block either?
Give the hurricane time. Remeber it's a Stellantis 💩 product. 🤣I wouldn't get my hopes set very high untill they have been on the road for 5 years. It's just another small, boosted engine developed by a bunch of woke engineers looking to minimize production costs, while increasing sales price. Their only goal is to pass EPA emissions with unrealistic dyno numbers, and to make it last long enough it's out of warranty when it grenades.
if there was really development they would improve the hemisphere
Tavares never spent enough money for components, the engine has his finger prints all over it, the thermostats are just the tip of the iceberg.
The hurricane engines are junk
you aren't qualified to make that statement
The Hurricane has plastic parts in the water pump and thermostat that cause failure, the problem is that the replacement parts are the same garbage. @davidporter7051
Those who have bought them and suffered the affects of Maintenance cost and engine defects that have been reported by consumers etc prove they are garbage which is all the all a smog motor is being these 6 cylinders will always be. It for damn sure is fact!!! Plus it's reviews it's getting say so as well I've done my research those motors are absolute trash
@DustinLaBombard you comment literally means little without the facts. You posted none and how many failures in nearly a million units have occurred? I'll save you a lot of mental gymnastics the failure rate isn't exceeding industry averages and is nearly at par with the Hemi which average at best in reliability at best.
So what your saying is ram engines are only average at best in reliability @@davidporter7051
Sound so proud that it's a Mopar re-man part funny how they replace junk with junk
Im not even a dodge fan but if i buy a full size truck i want a v8. Just fix the failures with the v8
Considering all the blown head gaskets, nope.
Ram 6 cyl garbage...be out of business ...funny their motto is...'we do trucks',,,,just put a damn v8 in the thing Ram...
Back to their routes, Ram and Ford where big on Inline 6 motors in their trucks. V8's did not show up until later. I would say an inline 6 is a better truck engine, V8's are nice in muscle cars or muscle trucks but if you want a working truck go Inline 6.
The Hurricane keeps the mechanic paid. Overly complex and unnecessary, it's the same in principle as a BMW engine, which means there's tons of plastic and electrical items in critical heat areas. The Hemi can continue if the cam metallurgy and lifter issue is fixed, the Hellcat or Melling spec oil pump is used universally and quality control is improved.
3.6 pentastar is bether too de Hemi . Hurricane turbo Nice technologie after 200000km turbo is dead
The Hemi is officially coming back, and the i6 hurricane is riddled with reliability problems due to too many plastic parts. 🤦♂️
The HEMI isn’t officially coming back .
There is zero excuse for building crap in today's world. The ability to build and test an entire vehicle in a computer simulation has been around for a decade or more and only becomes more accurate and less time consuming as advances continue in the computing field. Between that and 100 years of ICE production experience there is absolutely zero reason for failure.
Well we don't care about the power those smoke motors make that's all those hurricanes are we care about that v8 sound that Henry ford introduced to America over 100 years ago. The hemi only enforced that love for such. There will never be "that day" when v8s especially the hemi will ever be "out of demand ". Smoke motors will always be trash and that's all these turbo 6s will always be. Notice the Buick grand national didn't last. Plus these engine manufacturers for these auto brands design these motors to fail just so they can make money at the expense of the customer. From what I've learned from the trump administration those days are numbered. Because they are all gonna be quality manufactured and tested right here in America. Problem solved
They’re always trying to invent the wheel. Just stick with what works. If this is it, so be it. They’ve ALL been overpriced junk that breaks down a lot.
They’re always trying to invent the wheel. Just stick with what works. If this is it, so be it. They’ve ALL been overpriced junk that breaks down a lot.