Is It Communist? Chicken Run 2: Dawn of the Nugget
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Today we are answering one of the most important questions of the age: Is Chicken Run 2: Dawn of the Nugget Communist? I am treating this very earnestly!
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Hey, I'm curious - are you vegan? If not, why not?
I've done a bit of a search online and don't remember you mentioning anything in the last video either. Given the overt imagery of the film, I thought the total lack of mention surprising
@@yaiirable vegetarian. I haven't managed to get to vegan yet
@eDuncan If I may share my experience - I've been vegan for almost 2 years now and have been grateful at every meal since then.
Every meal has been a conscious choice - one that divests from the direct exploitation of the other beings we share the earth with, as well as significantly reducing the strain that I am placing on the earth's systems.
I'd check out the film Earthlings to see just how bad the dairy/egg industry is. After that, the transition period can be just a few weeks, while you find alternatives to your day to day consumption.
Being vegan has never been easier.
Best of luck!
Edit: Also the dairy industry IS the meat industry. Cows don't get sent off to retirement homes when their milk production drops after a few years or if they are born male...
@@JohntheDuncan Why not? I was also surprised you didn't mention veganism considering how comparable it is with communism
chicken run 2 was 100 minutes of the chickens saying "while there is a soul in prison, I am not free" and establishing a global revolutionary movement
*"We are chickens! We are not beasts, and we will not be beaten and driven as such!"*
None are free until all are free.
Yet, we gotta start somewhere.
I thought YOU were summarizing 'No chicken is an island'; I did NOT expect it to have been a line from the film! That's so radical I love it.
It's my new favorite way to say something blatantly communist without getting weird looks from people. They think it's just a joke... ooh that's why people use dog whistles
Frizzle’s color pallet is literally the lesbian flag that can not be a coincidence
The modern lesbian flag was only designed 5 years after the first magic school bus episode aired. This doesn't actually prove you're wrong, I just think it should be made clear who copied who.
Note: haven't watched the video yet. I'm still probably correct. >:3
@@francegamerfrizzle the chicken
@@francegamer but this movie came out in 2023...and the lesbian flag & Frizzle is a basically 1:1 at this point.
It’s an expression of pain
negawatt
Chickens of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your cages!
Solidarity with all chickens everywhere! 🐔❤️🌹
Maybe you could read the mind-control tech as a critique of how our use of technology for entertainment can distract us, show us a warped view of reality, and keep us from organizing?
I did have an aside playing on "the entertainment" from infinite jest to talk about that point
When the chickens call Duncan answers
Always
The tragedy is, unlike in Chicken Run 2, the Revolution of the Soviet Union is gone, whereas the "Revolution" in Chicken Run 2 still exists in a way.
I'll mention the Holodomor but y'all act like that didn't happen
@@amicableenmity9820nazi lies
@@amicableenmity9820 It did but most historians agree that it wasn't a genocide, and in my opinion, I think it was failed policy rather than outright malice on the part of Josef Stalin.
@@amicableenmity9820It did happen just not in the way some people portray it
Someone needs to edit the Wikipedia pages for Chicken Run and Dawn of the Nugget to include at least a short write-up of your videos. I was reading them to find out if they'd actively declined to have Mel Gibson reprise his role, of if they'd asked and he refused. Thankfully, it seems they didn't ask him, though there was some small controversy surrounding the recasting of Ginger's voice.
Solidarity forever!
Zachary Levi is... not what I'd call an upgrade. He's a talented voice actor, but also an antivax, libertarian transphobe.
@@grackyeck TBH, didn't look into him, but this is worth knowing. Thank you!
Ginger was my hero growing up, and part of why I became an animator in adulthood. I have colleagues who work at Aardman, probably the only company that’s earned my loyalty tbh. I never have high expectations for sequels, especially for a film that’s stuck with me throughout life, but this was a breath of fresh air. Solidarity forever, the revolution awaits!!
I hope the chickens enjoyed is as much as I did. They are absolutely vicious dinosaurs out for blood when they're unhappy.
The whole time I was watching Dawn of the Nugget, I was getting more and more pumped for this video to be made.
I really loved how Nick and Fetcher continued their growth in the sequel. They're portrayed in the first movie as not caring at all about the oppressor's rules, but being individualistic and self-serving in trying to survive under them. The way they find their own liberation in joining the flock is built on nicely by how willing they are to put themselves in danger for Molly, there's a strong message there about the importance of connection and making decisions that benefit future generations. Loved it.
Nick and Fletcher will always have a place in my heart
Howard the Duck gave us "No duck is an island" and this tells us chickens are the same. Bit of a weird coincidence that 2 movies have said a different type of fowl is not an island.
Come to think of it, “freedom lovers” tend to idolise the eagle… a typically loner animal that tends to hunt many rodents and other small birds…
Is it possible that there are other birds that also are not islands?
Your costume was very convincing! My partner and I watched this together and we enjoyed it very much. Thank you for spending your time creating this during such an academically busy time in your life. :)
An injury to one is an injury to _all_ nuggets
Sad that until I saw the thumbnail for this video I didn't even realize that there was a Chicken Run sequel! I'm going to have to watch it. I think I also need to re-read Brave New World at some point (along with a lot of other books from high school english). If I recall correctly, the theme of family abolition was also present as one of the anxieties of the time that Brave New World came out, as it featured a very dystopian take on the concept. But I guess that kind of shows how family abolition isn't really possible under a capitalist system because in the Year of Our Ford (or whatever they called it sorry it's been over 10 years) the only alternative to a nuclear family is infants who are produced and programmed in a factory to be Good Workers.
Yeah I think family abolition has to be inherently revolutionary
Better than Dune part 2
Peck without rhythm
21:30 This looks like imagery directly from Logan's Run, (if you haven't seen it) a dystopian 70's film where people reach a certain age and are made to think that they are transcending by going into this machine, but they're actually just being killed.
Ooo good point!
Came here to say this.
I didn't expect the original could be matched, but this is truly a masterpiece and I am so delighted. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this video it brings joy.
Another true Duncanist masterpiece!
Yo!!! TBSkyen!?
Chicken Run 2 is a great addition to the series, and a very vital and timely exploration of the politburo debates on revolutionary strategy of the mid 1920s between the left faction around Trotsky and the prevailing tendency within the Soviet leadership as articulated by Joseph Stalin. It is, in essence, Chicken socialism in one chicken country Vs Chicken Proletarian Socialist Internationalism. This is the central theme and driver of the main character arc of the protagonists. Of course the debate plays out differently to real life in that it's framed as a generational conflict (not that I minded, a gentle critique of the tendency is some established revolutionary situations towards ossification and revisionism) and also the correct line actually wins this time.
There's also some nice stuff in there once they get to the factory about ideology and false consciousness that seems to take a leaf from the Frankfurt School.
I also don't hate that they replaced Mel Gibson because ffffffffff.....
Just cause im an unbearable tech dork i wanted to point out that the chickens on the island retained the wonderful gift they have for invention and innovation. Ethically sourced, communal technology for the benefit of all on the island. I know its mostly aardman's love of machinary but it makes me happy to see it used to great effect. Suppose theyd need to be clever to keep free, thought.
30 seconds in and I'm already losing it. Thank you for a very needed laugh ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
17:08 Do like that the tech was shown to be only as bad as the purposes it is put to.
I literally love this video so much. Thanks for dissecting this movie.
They clipped your wings on the first flight?
They fear the truth
3:14 it was at this timestamp, during the first live stream, that someone finally made a remark that this video's audio was not in sync.
3.14159
I don't want to be a pi!
what about Shaun the Sheep? Another Aardman classic.
I've never actually watched Shaun the Sheep. Was a bit old for it when it first came out I think
I now want a read of Wallace and Gromit where all of Wallace's machines are slowly disenfranchising factory workers and weakening the power of organised labour.
the sequel we all needed
I am very convinced!!! Dear chickens!!! Solidarity!!! Dawn of the Revolution!!! (Please don’t break legs)
The way I ran to watch this after finally watching this movie tonight. Great job
Hell yeah! Thanks Mandy!
I missed you chicken 🐓 man 🧍♂️ ❤❤❤
The one we've all been waiting for...
Literally jumped when I saw this in my feed. Thanks
This is an utterly brilliant follow up.
I didn’t even know there was a Chicken Run 2.
This video essay is even MORE amazing than the groundbreaking reading of the OG Chicken Run. I don't know how you keep on doing it, but you did. Thank you so much! 😊 🖤
GREAT ANALYSIS COMRADE
This is literally the video ive been waiting for. Thank you.
This is what I've been waiting for!
Did my comment get deleted or was I just to drunk to actually send it either way some videos are made just for me thank you G you’re the man
Didn't delete your comment! It might have been caught in a youtube filter? Regardless, cheers!
@@JohntheDuncan hilarious dog thanks
THE WAIT IS OVER
Solidarity Forever means Solidarity Forever 🖖🏾💖✨
When watching this sequel my main worry was would it live up to the message of the first and it absolutely did
I see NO CHICKEN 🐔
I see NO RUN
Hm, haven't seen this one, but now I have to. Thanks!
I think the creators of CR recognised that the ending of the movie presented a dangerous isolationist fantasy and sought to rectify it via the sequel. A small utopian communist haven isolated from the outside world is a fantasy many leftists turn to when they get overwhelmed by the oppressive force of capitalism, or don't have sufficient imagination to dream of global revolution. You can see this in cottagecore, some self sufficient living communities, eco villages, communes, etc. so many people I know (me included) have said "my dream is to live in a commune with my friends, somewhere close to nature". The dawn of the nugget says NO. That's not enough. You living a happy stress free life in a small isolated community is not a revolution. We need to work together to liberate everyone.
Great video!
One minute twenty six seconds before it's interrupted with a fucking advert. Fuck youtube.
Before I actually watch your video.
I felt like the island was a metaphor for Cuba and how Fidel and Che Guevara looked at Angola and south Africa. And the destruction of the Apartheid.
But I'll, come back after watching your analysis.
Yo Dr. JtD, how much I gotta pledge on Patreon for you to do a video on 1995's Jumanji which is about community building, class solidarity, colonialism, and intergenerational trauma?
I have been waiting for this video! This is like the second coming of christ
Bawk Comrade
.... what the fuck did that chicken just say to me?
Seems we can rest easy that Chicken Run continues the revolutionary spirit of the original and is poised to continue to do so into future sequels, while of course recognizing it as a capitalist product commodifying the critique of capitalism.
the ending seems more anarchist than communist to me. They're going around and breaking up the capitalist division of the commons to give back to the chickens, but I dont see them encouraging and supporting other chickens to have internal revolutions and start their own bubbles of communism.
Just a thought basing on what I saw in this vid so maybe I just missed it.
It's Trotskyism
I think it’s open ended, imo the first movie is the liberation of the immediate community and the second is national liberation. Ginger saying it’s just the beginning at the end of the movie means either possibility (anarchist or communist, or both) is likely, with regards to the exportation of the revolution (international liberation). We won’t know unless there’s a third movie, which I wish I could help write cuz I have so many ideas 👀
Great video!
What I wonder after every (more or less resent) video: Is the FD Signifier a patreon of yours?
Also: I would love to see a video where you critic historical materialism from a Marxist perspective. Not that I have no critics of it, but not from a Marxist perspective.
Here is my critique of this communist masterpiece:
First of all, I read the romanticized vision of Ginger as revolutionary hero as totally sincere. That is, I did not see it as Rocky telling the audience a knowingly romanticized version of the story, but as the filmmakers themselves establishing for an audience who may not have seen the original movie what they thought its point was. This opening was not a conscious critique of "Socialism in One Country" or naive dictatorship and cults of personality, but a sincere misunderstanding of the point of the original film. In reality, it was not that Ginger rescued the chickens from slavery, but Ginger who served as a true leader by showing Chickens how to forge solidarity, cooperate and lean on each other for survival in such brutal conditions. This misunderstanding is further compounded by the genuine reverence and authority Ginger seems to have over the chickens: She truly rules by unquestioned diktat. Gone is the management of humans' natural inclination towards conservatism and sticking to "the devil you know," no longer is Ginger the most respected figure of a community (first among equals if you will)--Ginger now literally dictates policy to the masses. If Ginger says we hide, we hide.
It is this shift away from collective action and forging of solidarity, and towards revolution as something enacted by an elite cadre of skilled individuals, that is my chief problem with the movie.
Molly, then, is not portrayed in the movie as the standard bearer of revolution. Rather, she is portrayed as youthful and naive, and the film consciously admonishes Ginger for wanting to shelter her from the world, because by refusing to show her the dangers of Liberalism (which, in the text of the film, is simply the danger of being eaten), she naively walks into the new security state.
I also did not like the depiction of surveillance capitalism and consumerism, because the movie did not actually critique it. In the movie, the problem with surveillance capitalism is not that chickens are given apparent freedom with strict limits, and policed if they cross invisible lines within those freedoms (as it is in reality). Far from it: The chickens are literally hypnotized by magic technology and watched by the equivalent of the personal NSA agent meme. The problem with such critiques of things which are not actually happening is that far from attacking real systems of power, they create fantasy worlds in which bad guys do overwhelmingly evil things. There is no tension of the chickens who say "but we've always laid eggs, why should we change" as there was in the first movie, and as our modern day systems of consumption really work. The chickens have been literally fully deprived of their agency. The movie in using this plot device is falsely setting the limits of when revolution is justified: "When capitalists behave so evil as to literally control your brain with collars, then rebellion is appropriate."
And the movies final issue (and cardinal sin), I would summarize as: They do not build the plane. Think about that collective action of building the plane in the original movie, the thrill of clandestine solidarity, of workers coming together to snatch the freedom that is their right from under the boss' nose. How does that work out in Rise of the Nugget? The vanguard of five or so chickens break in and singlehandedly fix the problem. Then Ginger gives a rousing speech summarizing the new party tenets, and everyone claps. Who could ever believe something so phony? What's more, this is a direct echo of what the movie told us was Ginger's role in the beginning: Ginger is the hero, the visionary leader, the bravest chicken there ever was. Ginger and her care for chickenkind are what matters. Other chickens barely factor in at all. This is not a story of collective action and solidarity, but uniquely skilled heroes who have risen to the top of a heirarchy and dictate the future according to their personal will. I can't think of anything that offends my sensibilities more.
And yes, the characters were flanderized, and I have no idea where they got the catch phrase of "cock a doodle doo" from, I don't recall that one being in the original. It felt like a cynical set-up for franchising, gross capitalist exploitation of people's memory of the original. I did not like it.
This is reminding me of analysing animal farm in year 8 English. Hated it a bit less thus time round lol
ok but who else watched this and thought Mrs Tweedy was kinda lowkey gorgeous now
Sounding very Reginald Smith here
XD And yet I'm a broad@@JohntheDuncan It's the thigh high go-go boots that get me
Forever using these videos to force your real content on my friends
Are YOU maxmunich? Because you did a very good job on this one.
I haven't seen it nor do I want to be spoiled, but the idea of a Eisensteinian movie like Chicken Run getting a legacy sequel is hella hypocritical
Chicken run moment
Wait, one of your patreons is FD Signifier?
The only content I've ever watched of yours has to do with Chicken Run
(that's not true, but part of me thinks you could be a Chicken Run-only channel)
Coming back to continue this at 21:00 while eating meatballs was... not a great choice.
wyatt shears of the garden is in this movie
Where get mao poster want
do it yourself comrade. revoke overconsumption and consumerism, all obstacles are in your mind
@@zljmbo I agree that consumerism is bad however I could also argue that if the poster was made by a small artist I have no problems with supporting them in our capitalist hellscape 😊 I can and do make art myself, but I always enjoy hanging and supporting the work of others in my circle
@@AbanOnPC yes this is valid point, and after I left my comment I double checked that poster and you're right, it's great I want it too
Based movie for children
and to think we almost kill close to 100bil/year a uncountable amount of chickens for a commodity we don't even need that being eggs and meat.
if you ever met a cat or a dog you know they are someone. they have a personality. same with the animals used to create products that some may partake in out of a choice.
everything is a choice but that does not mean a choice is a good one. especially if it involves a victim, is unquestioned, learned at a young age.
if you give a fluffy bunny to a kid and the kid enjoys torturing and killing the bunny you would think the kid needs help.
when people work their life in a death factory that causes mental anguish and leads to ptsd you have the option to make a choice. do you believe your taste buds are worth more than the lifes of countless individuals.
we can't have a just world when we blindly standby injustice. follow your heart. my most loved trait in many humans is their ability for empathy and compassion. but we also have a problem with greed. don't let greed win over compassion for others
Boost
you are a gem, sir! can wait to see you at the revolution, comrade🫡
Bro... what's with all the Trotskyist undertones??
Metaphysics Julius!!!!
This is a joke, right?
It’s just about chicken nuggets bro
Are you telling me that the man in the chicken outfit might be doing a little bit of a goof?
Why did the chicken crossed the road?
To take back the means of production.
Also, it took me until watching this video to realise that Ginger "hiding the island" is basically an allegory for the Iron Curtain. Great work!
The history of all hitherto chicken coops, is the history of chicken struggles.
Solidarity with all chickens everywhere! 🐔❤🌹
CR2 is lesss revolutionary than CR, but is just as important in its message that Socialism In One Coop is doomed to failure, and that the revolution is forever.
I really didn't think they'd manage it twice, but damnit, they _did._ Those glorious bastards _understand_ and I love it.
1. Frizzle? Like Miss Frizzle of the Magic School Bus, portrayed by queer icon Lily Tomlin? I'm not sure those are undertones
2. Mrs. Tweedy survived?!
3. The chosen chicken is 314, and there's a pi(e) joke in there somewhere.
4. I was worried that the sequel wouldn't hold up, but both your essay and the movie work.
Not a joke but a grim call back to the pie machine id figure!
It's really jarring for this topic to get two fast food ads mid sentence one promoting meat products.
I've set my VPN to Austria so it's bitcoin, the Halo movie, some chocolate brand not sold here, the Halo movie, Lidl and the Halo movie
edit: final midroll ad was for Greenpeace, go figure
The dainty flutter of a single chicken‘s wings becomes the mighty swing of revolution once all their voices cluck in solidarity.
Although I‘d argue this film falls pray to great hen mother history theory a bit by placing ginger‘s character arc as so central to the revolution, it kinda leaves the rest of the chickens as a collective in solidarity by the wayside.
Which is why I think the opening of her as the big hero in Rocky’s retelling is presented without criticism. But that is more down to the structure of a move focusing in character relationshios rather than any ideological position - a reminder that the medium of a story fundamentally shapes it. There‘s no way to make a sequel to a movie with both returning and new main characters without overinflating the importance of the returning ones in the original story, I think.
Chicken comment for the chicken gods.🐔
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Honestly, your Chicken Run video was convincing enough that I spent the whole of Dawn of the Nugget sitting there like 'Is this communist enough?'. I think I landed on about half the points (I'm not as familiar with 60s media so I was using the trope of story telling/history from your first video and comparisons to Hilda [a similar plot with the actress who plays Molly] to track the scepticism of the nuclear family) so this was a really good build on both my understanding of global revolutionary art, and my understanding of Chickens.
I just watched it with my daughter and was doing the same, except I was thinking "I hope he mentions Brave New World."
Pretty good, but I feel the video is distinctly lacking in the chicken voices that so bolstered the original's arguments.
They were too busy organising
I've been waiting for this video ever since the second one was announced yessssss
Chicken Run 2: Solidarity with All Workers Forever!
Chicken algorithm 🐓🐔
Honestly living for these breakdowns.
Some videos are made just for me I guess thank you
I love the synchronicity in this video. The perfect balance of light and sound.
I just learned through your video that there is a Chicken Run 2. I need to watch it. Right now. BRB
How did Mrs tweedy survive a door fall on her head
Pure hatred
chicken run 3 will reveal the tweedy cloning machine that sends copies of her all over the world and it'll be about expansionist occupation and regime change by colonial powers
So true though lol
Glad to see I’m not the only one to appreciate the best joke in the film
Very awesome. Super fun.
another masterpiece. also some big names in the patreon list 👀
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere
It's great hearing you reference 'One Dimensional Man', I need to re-read that book, loaned it to someone years ago and never got it back.
18:30 WAS THAT FETHERS MCGRAW?