Dorian winning the back double bicep is a joke. His lats have no width and his back flattens out way too much. The width and thickness of Haney's back blows Dorian away in that pose.
Dorian was a mere 3 pounds heavier in 1992 (242 pounds) than he was in 1991 (239 pounds). I am 100% confident that had Lee Haney decided to do the 1992 Mr. Olympia he would have showed up at least 260-265 pounds (he was 259 pounds in 1989) and would have beat Dorian, earning him 9 Mr. Olympias. After all, Lee was still relatively young and we don't know how much more he could have improved, but what we do know is that he was better in 1991 than he had ever been before and he DID do a 1992 guest posing at 265 pounds and looked FREAKY as all hell. We really never saw Lee's full potential.
Dan Maler Lee Haney 259 in 1989?... no. He was 243 at the official weigh-in in 1988. Lee was a 9th year pro in ‘91 and his legs were a major liability. He broke both legs which killed his dreams of a football career so he turned to bodybuilding. He already looked too top heavy and he had maxed out his potential. Dorian overdieted in ‘92 as he wanted to be as shredded as possible, as there were no other big guys. If Lee had turned in ‘92 Dorian would have wiped the floor with him. Dorian won the muscularity round in ‘91 and he also would win that in ‘92 and the pose down, probably the symmetry round as well. Lee had won his 8th Marx Olympia and set a record that has never been beaten. He had nothing to prove at the time. He was practically undefeated, only Dorian has a better record as a pro (never placed lower than 2nd..)
Dorian really didn’t add much size in 1992. Also you’re assuming Lee at 32y/o wouldn’t have improved. Lee beats Dorian in 1992. He just does. 1993 Dorian took it to another level and would have beaten Lee’s 1991 version. Again, new drugs came on the scene that would have been available to Lee so he might have kept his advantage
Lee went out with a bang with one of the best physiques he brought to the Mr.O stage in 1991... Dorian went out with one of the most controversial bullshit robberies in Mr.O history in 1997
Yes it was deffinetly controversial in 97 to Nasser, but Nassers gains that year came from injecting synthol, two most noticeable areas were, arms and calfs, the judges will never choose an obvious synthol taker to be Mr Olympia, to better to have an injured Dorian Yates, as soon as the judges reward a synthol taker it opens the doors for more people to do it and compete, two other clear synthol takers that come to mind are , Flex wheeler and Kai Green, and guess what, they never won a Mr Olympia either.
@Steve Lethal Dorian asked Lee himself to comeback in '92 and Lee has acknowledged this in interviews. Regardless of the reasons, Lee was done competing.
@@mixedpleasure4324 with exception of his biceps tear he was better at some of his of 94 grand prixs, 95 mr olympia and 96 german grand prix. 93 was not Dorian's best as it is commonly considered. His main strenght back was improving every year
Lee Haney would have done his 93 VERSION of himself like DORIAN if he came back in 92!! Charles Glass always said he would have love to see LEE HANEY on the same technology has of DORIAN YATES AND RONNIE COLEMAN
THANKS for putting this up .. BUT .. Your BIAS is INSANE (NO CONTEST Side Chest .. LEE).. Lee KILLS Dorian in the Back Double Biceps pose ( MUSCULARITY, DENSITY and MASS .. EVEN in the Lower Back.. NOTE: Lee CAN'T get XMAS TREE look bcuz of GENETICS) and beats him in Ab & Thighs tho that's CLOSER ( YOU don't like Lee's abs but the separation shows the level of MUSCULARITY he had in them.. MASSIVE LATS with TINY WAIST .. BOTH IMO had GOOD Symmetrical Abs) .. Lee BEATS him from the 1st pic ON .. Dorian DEFINITELY takes the Side Triceps and BETTER SWEEP in his thighs ( Depending on the Pose) and CLOSE Rear Lat Spread ( Dorian's b&w pick from '96 tho .. SEE how you TRIED to compare DIFFERENT Years for Dorian but NOT for Lee? smh ..KEEP it @ '92 then ) .. What you can't show is their POSING (Lee ALSO) .. LEE ALL DAY .. STOP the MADNESS Dude
I think that Lee Haney would also improve in one year prepping, because Lee was just 3 years older than Dorian, so they had almost the same potential about improvements to do, and I think that Haney could easily be a 10/11 times Mr O if he wanted to.
The only bodybuilder who could of made 10,11,12 Mr Olympia's was Arnold, but I believe he would of come unstuck against the lion of Lebanon, Samir had a very complete package with a back way ahead of the game, but Arnold might of drawfted him standing next to him, would made for a good video.
@Steve Lethal you make some good points my son, but you are forgetting that bodybuilding has evolved over the years, A 1980s Arnold would not beat Samir, Samir had a way better back than Arnold, but Arnold would make him look small and that might be enough to get the win , ok my son let's say he does beat Samir, he would only run into Haney and Haney weights more than Arnold, so how do you think this would this go down? My son
@Steve Lethal Samir had a more complete package than Arnold, Arnold had a weak back, no hamstrings, no traps, weak thighs and forearms and his posing was boring, Arnold only won as many as he did because no one done bodybuilding back then, people thought it was gay and stayed away from it. I think it's time for you to throw the towel in and admit defeat, i'm a clever mother fucker and a tough son of a bitch, people that know me don't mess with me, im a killer when I want to be , I've got a crazy right punch and left uppercut, a lot of people have paid me not to hurt them.
I believe had Haney competed in 1992 (in Helsinki) he would have beaten Dorian again therefore winning his 9th Mr. Olympia. However, I do believe Haney would have had to improve on his 1991 condition to take out Dorian and Flex Wheeler in 1993 for Mr. Olympia number 10.
Lee wasn't willing to go to that level. If he had decided to, he certainly had the frame to add more quality muscle. I'm not sure what it would have done to his symmetry, but he was already carrying 256 lbs at his last Olympia. It's not a stretch to think he could have added another 10 lbs. We have to keep in mind, he didn't train to add size for size's sake. I think he beats '92 Dorian but '93 Dorian beats all the competition.
I don't know about the conditioning in 91 favoring Dorian. Just look at the most muscular. Lee has striations, vascularity all over the place. Dorian may have appeared a tad harder but I don't think he better overall conditioned than Haney was. Too close to call for me. The back lat spread, dorian gave him a challenge but Lee's still looked better, wider and more dramatic with the smaller waist.
I really think Dorian's skin colour and complexion are what help his conditioning and his look, one thing you notice is Mr Olympia's tend to get "Drier" later in their reigns and look more conditioned. I think this is just them getting older and losing collagen. I think Yates was predisposed to have bad skin and collagen, same with branch warren. I also think the lighting tends to hamper darker skinned people because the front lighting can make them look wet, Yates skin being paler shows the glare less.
Dorian won the contest with better legs, lats, back, obliques, calves and triceps. Haney just had a slightly wider chest with a better physique. I always thought everything on Lee Haney was too small for his massive chest.
@@thehomefront1905 Yes in my opinion they should also judge the relax pose and give it Bonus points because its the last picture we keep in mind of the winner .
Growing up, I used to train HIT and was so indoctrinated in Arthur Jones/Mike Mentzer, but the more one looks at training as a whole, the true founder of higher intensity training which puts on more density (it can easily be coined as high density training) was Vince Gironda. And now after all these years, we have truly forgotten how good Lee Haney truly was as his reign of dominance has been overshadowed by the mass monster era, which has completely ruined the sport. Bigger at all costs... that means taking as much gear as possible, even if it means killing yourself.
Lee was a better poser than Dorian and was well liked by the judges, so for that reason id probably pick lee to win in 92. 93 was a different ball game altogether, Dorian changed the world of bodybuilding in 93, and it's only really been matched by one other guy, Ronnie Colman.
Hello Nick, Haney would have deffinetly lost to Yates in 93, Yates had a package that nobody had ever seen in 93, Haney could have beaten Yates in 92, but not 93, Yates changed the game of bodybuilding in 93 and took it to the next level.
@@thehomefront1905 you're probably right, but if Haney had brought in his 91 package again (or a few percent better 😉💪) it would have been a TotaLee awesome fight.
@@nickbritten8132I personally like Haney physique over Yates, I think for Haney to have beaten Dorian in 93 he would have had to up the amount of gear he was doing and I don't think Haney would of been willing to risk he's health for another Olympia win when he already had 8, Haney always preached being healthy and staying free of injury.
@yoyo 96 I know but lees flare like a cobra they have a better outer sweep Yates are flat on the outer. Now turn them around and the Mr o Yates has more thickness middle upper back
Seriously? Are we observing the same pics Mutant? Time to get an eye exam...and btw, if Lee competed again, he too very well could have 'improved' even more than 1991.
Ok honestly I know Lee is 8 time Olympia but I literally think most eras have a top 5 where I prefer every single one in the top 5 over Lees physique, am I the only one?
Lee is considered aesthetic now, because anyone with a small waist, wide shoulders and good development is compared to today's cow bellies. But he was always a freak who wasn't the best balanced guy on stage, but had an amazing frame. I think Dorian isn't aesthetic either but his muscle lines are more refined than Lee, who was more about the frame and fullness conditioning and crazy V taper than well shaped muscle cuts (which levrone, wheeler, ray, Paris, etc all were more gifted wirh)
sorry not sorry. still got lee winning all the shots except rear lat spread. i all honesty most of the shot shown here are skewed in lees favor because we dont see dorians legs in most of them.
Come on guys you must be kidding,Look at the Dorian's face the whole skeleton of your face is in the middle, he had incredible condition .Lee haney would not win.
Dorians pecs in the side chest is too slopey. Not evenly developed top to bottom. Also, his FLS his chest isn’t that great and delts don’t look full. And in his BDB his lats look half as wide as Lee’s.
never liked haneys overall appearance when it comes to aesthetics or proportions. this is criticism on a high level but in my opinion he is one of the least impressive mr O's since schwarzenegger
Dorian winning the back double bicep is a joke. His lats have no width and his back flattens out way too much. The width and thickness of Haney's back blows Dorian away in that pose.
Dorian more aesthetic than Lee? Seriously?...
Still debatable in ‘92 but after that in ‘93 game changer.
Dorian was a mere 3 pounds heavier in 1992 (242 pounds) than he was in 1991 (239 pounds). I am 100% confident that had Lee Haney decided to do the 1992 Mr. Olympia he would have showed up at least 260-265 pounds (he was 259 pounds in 1989) and would have beat Dorian, earning him 9 Mr. Olympias. After all, Lee was still relatively young and we don't know how much more he could have improved, but what we do know is that he was better in 1991 than he had ever been before and he DID do a 1992 guest posing at 265 pounds and looked FREAKY as all hell. We really never saw Lee's full potential.
Dan Maler Lee Haney 259 in 1989?... no. He was 243 at the official weigh-in in 1988. Lee was a 9th year pro in ‘91 and his legs were a major liability. He broke both legs which killed his dreams of a football career so he turned to bodybuilding. He already looked too top heavy and he had maxed out his potential. Dorian overdieted in ‘92 as he wanted to be as shredded as possible, as there were no other big guys. If Lee had turned in ‘92 Dorian would have wiped the floor with him. Dorian won the muscularity round in ‘91 and he also would win that in ‘92 and the pose down, probably the symmetry round as well.
Lee had won his 8th Marx Olympia and set a record that has never been beaten. He had nothing to prove at the time. He was practically undefeated, only Dorian has a better record as a pro (never placed lower than 2nd..)
Dorian really didn’t add much size in 1992. Also you’re assuming Lee at 32y/o wouldn’t have improved. Lee beats Dorian in 1992. He just does. 1993 Dorian took it to another level and would have beaten Lee’s 1991 version. Again, new drugs came on the scene that would have been available to Lee so he might have kept his advantage
Comparing Haney’s ‘91 front lat spread vs Dorian’s from 92, it Lee all day. Look at that V-taper
Not only the V- taper but Lee also had better chest and shoulders. Plus his quads had deeper separation. Lee wins that pose.
Lee wins again!!
Lee went out with a bang with one of the best physiques he brought to the Mr.O stage in 1991... Dorian went out with one of the most controversial bullshit robberies in Mr.O history in 1997
Yes it was deffinetly controversial in 97 to Nasser, but Nassers gains that year came from injecting synthol, two most noticeable areas were, arms and calfs, the judges will never choose an obvious synthol taker to be Mr Olympia, to better to have an injured Dorian Yates, as soon as the judges reward a synthol taker it opens the doors for more people to do it and compete, two other clear synthol takers that come to mind are , Flex wheeler and Kai Green, and guess what, they never won a Mr Olympia either.
@@thehomefront1905 there was excellent guys in that year that beat Dorian for sure.
@@markwood9987 Ok tell me who should of beat Dorian in 97
@Steve Lethal Dorian asked Lee himself to comeback in '92 and Lee has acknowledged this in interviews. Regardless of the reasons, Lee was done competing.
@@thehomefront1905 brother 97 Dorian was worst physique of all time. must not be allowed even to compete. should not be even in top 5
Lee would have won as judges would have given him the edge.
Just as every mr olympia champion has an advantage over his competitors
Because if it were not so jay cutler would only have won two olympia alone, he would never win victor martinez in 2007 and phil and in 2010
El sonbaty would not lose to dorian in 97 if it wasn't for the advantage policies for the champion
If Lee trained another year who knows what he would have brought.
He brought nothing new during his 8 years reign before, how would he improve that much in just 92?
@@levanmuradashvili2769 motivation. He finally had a real threat to push him.
Levan Muradashvili Dorian did not improve much himself after 93 he only became worse
@@mixedpleasure4324 with exception of his biceps tear he was better at some of his of 94 grand prixs, 95 mr olympia and 96 german grand prix. 93 was not Dorian's best as it is commonly considered. His main strenght back was improving every year
@@mixedpleasure4324 yeah,too intense.That's why Haney always said 'stimulate don't annihilate' .Both great though .
Lee: Perfect simetry and class
Dorian: ‘mmmm.....just marketing for IFBB....
Lee Haney would have done his 93 VERSION of himself like DORIAN if he came back in 92!! Charles Glass always said he would have love to see LEE HANEY on the same technology has of DORIAN YATES AND RONNIE COLEMAN
THANKS for putting this up .. BUT .. Your BIAS is INSANE (NO CONTEST Side Chest .. LEE).. Lee KILLS Dorian in the Back Double Biceps pose ( MUSCULARITY, DENSITY and MASS .. EVEN in the Lower Back.. NOTE: Lee CAN'T get XMAS TREE look bcuz of GENETICS) and beats him in Ab & Thighs tho that's CLOSER ( YOU don't like Lee's abs but the separation shows the level of MUSCULARITY he had in them.. MASSIVE LATS with TINY WAIST .. BOTH IMO had GOOD Symmetrical Abs) .. Lee BEATS him from the 1st pic ON .. Dorian DEFINITELY takes the Side Triceps and BETTER SWEEP in his thighs ( Depending on the Pose) and CLOSE Rear Lat Spread ( Dorian's b&w pick from '96 tho .. SEE how you TRIED to compare DIFFERENT Years for Dorian but NOT for Lee? smh ..KEEP it @ '92 then ) .. What you can't show is their POSING (Lee ALSO) .. LEE ALL DAY .. STOP the MADNESS Dude
I think that Lee Haney would also improve in one year prepping, because Lee was just 3 years older than Dorian, so they had almost the same potential about improvements to do, and I think that Haney could easily be a 10/11 times Mr O if he wanted to.
The only bodybuilder who could of made 10,11,12 Mr Olympia's was Arnold, but I believe he would of come unstuck against the lion of Lebanon, Samir had a very complete package with a back way ahead of the game, but Arnold might of drawfted him standing next to him, would made for a good video.
@@thehomefront1905 nope
@@ratopetista4508 nope? Explain my friend
@Steve Lethal you make some good points my son, but you are forgetting that bodybuilding has evolved over the years, A 1980s Arnold would not beat Samir, Samir had a way better back than Arnold, but Arnold would make him look small and that might be enough to get the win , ok my son let's say he does beat Samir, he would only run into Haney and Haney weights more than Arnold, so how do you think this would this go down? My son
@Steve Lethal Samir had a more complete package than Arnold, Arnold had a weak back, no hamstrings, no traps, weak thighs and forearms and his posing was boring, Arnold only won as many as he did because no one done bodybuilding back then, people thought it was gay and stayed away from it.
I think it's time for you to throw the towel in and admit defeat, i'm a clever mother fucker and a tough son of a bitch, people that know me don't mess with me, im a killer when I want to be , I've got a crazy right punch and left uppercut, a lot of people have paid me not to hurt them.
I am a fan of both Lee and Dorian. Just as Dorian made improvements in 1992 so would Lee have done, had he chosen to compete an additional year.
Lee wins every pose your all wrong Dorian fan
Dorian just kept upping his anabolic’s each year after 91
Lee was better all the way👍👍👍
Lee, the last one of aesthetic, and Yates the beginning of BUBBLEGUT era.
I believe had Haney competed in 1992 (in Helsinki) he would have beaten Dorian again therefore winning his 9th Mr. Olympia. However, I do believe Haney would have had to improve on his 1991 condition to take out Dorian and Flex Wheeler in 1993 for Mr. Olympia number 10.
Agree
Lee is better in back
Haney 💪🏽
Lee wasn't willing to go to that level. If he had decided to, he certainly had the frame to add more quality muscle. I'm not sure what it would have done to his symmetry, but he was already carrying 256 lbs at his last Olympia. It's not a stretch to think he could have added another 10 lbs.
We have to keep in mind, he didn't train to add size for size's sake. I think he beats '92 Dorian but '93 Dorian beats all the competition.
Lee was NOT 256 pounds lol he was a little under 250
So Lee would not have improved after seeing Dorian in 1991? What type of foolish analyst is this person? Total Dorian bottom feeder
I don't know about the conditioning in 91 favoring Dorian. Just look at the most muscular. Lee has striations, vascularity all over the place. Dorian may have appeared a tad harder but I don't think he better overall conditioned than Haney was. Too close to call for me. The back lat spread, dorian gave him a challenge but Lee's still looked better, wider and more dramatic with the smaller waist.
I really think Dorian's skin colour and complexion are what help his conditioning and his look, one thing you notice is Mr Olympia's tend to get "Drier" later in their reigns and look more conditioned. I think this is just them getting older and losing collagen. I think Yates was predisposed to have bad skin and collagen, same with branch warren. I also think the lighting tends to hamper darker skinned people because the front lighting can make them look wet, Yates skin being paler shows the glare less.
Dorian won the contest with better legs, lats, back, obliques, calves and triceps. Haney just had a slightly wider chest with a better physique. I always thought everything on Lee Haney was too small for his massive chest.
Yikes
lee is better in EVERY pose
You are either a teenager, a person with bad eyesight, a Lee Haney wannabee, or just an idiot.
@@thehomefront1905 fuck you
Legs department analysis lacks?
Greatest rear lat spread of all time goes to Ronnie in my book
Yes maybe, but Ronnie standing relaxed looked pregnant, except for Ronnie in 98
@@thehomefront1905
Yes in my opinion they should also judge the relax pose and give it Bonus points because its the last picture we keep in mind of the winner .
@@alhassanait1749 agree my friend
Lee
Growing up, I used to train HIT and was so indoctrinated in Arthur Jones/Mike Mentzer, but the more one looks at training as a whole, the true founder of higher intensity training which puts on more density (it can easily be coined as high density training) was Vince Gironda. And now after all these years, we have truly forgotten how good Lee Haney truly was as his reign of dominance has been overshadowed by the mass monster era, which has completely ruined the sport. Bigger at all costs... that means taking as much gear as possible, even if it means killing yourself.
2:56 That picture of Dorian’s front lat spread is from 1994
An amazing eye for honest detail my friend. Thank you as always-)
For me Dorian Yates is the best posing #1
lee is better than totaly
Yates pic of the rear lats spread is from 94 not 92
Sherief Shalaby correct
Imo lee would have him 92 but by 93 no chance
Lee 9 Olympias!
Lee was a better poser than Dorian and was well liked by the judges, so for that reason id probably pick lee to win in 92.
93 was a different ball game altogether, Dorian changed the world of bodybuilding in 93, and it's only really been matched by one other guy, Ronnie Colman.
FDB, FLS, SCh, ST, MM to Haney, BDB, BLS, Ab&T to dorian.
Fls dorian win bro
How would the '93 Dorian do against the 1991 Lee? 😮 could Lee have made 10 Mr Olympias?
Hello Nick, Haney would have deffinetly lost to Yates in 93, Yates had a package that nobody had ever seen in 93, Haney could have beaten Yates in 92, but not 93, Yates changed the game of bodybuilding in 93 and took it to the next level.
@@thehomefront1905 you're probably right, but if Haney had brought in his 91 package again (or a few percent better 😉💪) it would have been a TotaLee awesome fight.
@@nickbritten8132I personally like Haney physique over Yates, I think for Haney to have beaten Dorian in 93 he would have had to up the amount of gear he was doing and I don't think Haney would of been willing to risk he's health for another Olympia win when he already had 8, Haney always preached being healthy and staying free of injury.
Dorian could have beaten lee in 1992 Olympia if lee had competed
Lee wins front lat spread.what are you on about.slso rear Double bis Lee has much more detail.
@yoyo 96 Lee has a much more pleasing shape
@yoyo 96 I know but lees flare like a cobra they have a better outer sweep Yates are flat on the outer. Now turn them around and the Mr o Yates has more thickness middle upper back
Stfu up nobody beats yates when it comes to lats spread u stupid fuck🖕
Lee Haney 1991 vs Kevin levrone 1992
Lee Hanney Champion 😃👍
93-96 Yates crushes Haney!
You are a Dorian Fanboy , lee was superior, period
Lee Haney would have kept improving and would have won 10 Mr. Olympia titles in my opinion.
FLS BDB Lee winning
Seriously? Are we observing the same pics Mutant? Time to get an eye exam...and btw, if Lee competed again, he too very well could have 'improved' even more than 1991.
Ok honestly I know Lee is 8 time Olympia but I literally think most eras have a top 5 where I prefer every single one in the top 5 over Lees physique, am I the only one?
Lee is considered aesthetic now, because anyone with a small waist, wide shoulders and good development is compared to today's cow bellies. But he was always a freak who wasn't the best balanced guy on stage, but had an amazing frame. I think Dorian isn't aesthetic either but his muscle lines are more refined than Lee, who was more about the frame and fullness conditioning and crazy V taper than well shaped muscle cuts (which levrone, wheeler, ray, Paris, etc all were more gifted wirh)
Dorian actually won most poses even in 91 agains Lee Haney
sorry not sorry. still got lee winning all the shots except rear lat spread. i all honesty most of the shot shown here are skewed in lees favor because we dont see dorians legs in most of them.
Where you been?
Come on now...lee is winning front lat spread
dorian also lost too much weight before the contest and dropped size from the year before
Come on guys you must be kidding,Look at the Dorian's face the whole skeleton of your face is in the middle, he had incredible condition .Lee haney would not win.
Lee all day....Dbol v HGH era..... that's litterally it
Dorian Yates is the first mass monster off allll time
Bullshit ........dorian Overrated
Lee Haney way better
Lee poteva vincere anche nel 1992 ma stavolta di un paio di punti... però oggettivamente nel 1993 Dorian lo avrebbe asfaltato!!!
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Dorians pecs in the side chest is too slopey. Not evenly developed top to bottom. Also, his FLS his chest isn’t that great and delts don’t look full.
And in his BDB his lats look half as wide as Lee’s.
Too close to call
never liked haneys overall appearance when it comes to aesthetics or proportions. this is criticism on a high level but in my opinion he is one of the least impressive mr O's since schwarzenegger
You forgot Chris Dickerson☝️
Yeah it's all in the eye of the beholder
You think Dorian and Jay are more proportional and aesthetic than Haney??
Sorry Dorian
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Dorian all day
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Dorian..
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White guys looks more ripped
Tell that to a 2003 Ronnie Coleman
@@geovaniefloresnaturalbodyb701 If you think 03 coleman was ripped then you're absolutely clueless!
@@scottish__beard8856 ripped and lean at 286lbs no one ever is coming close. You're the clueless one here.