Christo, I was standing ahead of Arnie on the 18th at Wood Ranch Country Club in Thousand Oaks CA (site of the GTE Classic in the mid 1980's). Arnie was in his sixties at the time. His drive went by us ripping through the air...I never heard anything like it before or since, It was truly awesome. He was so far ahead of even where a lot of good member golfers would be on that hole. I moved down the hole close enough to hear his conversation with his caddie and he hit a six iron uphill into a 180 pin. By my calculations he had hit his drive well over 320 yards.
Arnold's swing is unique because he didn't have pelvic extension. No reverse C and he never had back problems. A modern player that swings like is Minjee Lee and Danielle Kang.
I think he has the whirly finish because his hands are “backwards” during the follow through. Most players roll their hands over one another after impact, making a traditional follow through possible. Because of that bowed wrist, you’ll notice his left arm is actually preventing his right arm from flowing across at the finish. Thus, the whirly finish. Try to follow through with your left elbow above your right - you can’t. For us normal golfers, we do the whirly sometimes to prevent a hook or promote a fade/slice. For Palmer, it’s just physics. And I love it!!
The best driving exhibition is Arnold Palmer vs Julius Boros 1968 Shell's Wonderful World of Golf. The match takes place in the Bahamas and Boros is using the British ball with Palmer using the larger American ball. You can find this match on youtube
I love the feel of OTT. There is no trapping of the right elbow. And the body opens so easily and the hips naturally turn rather than slide. So many good things. It is my opinion that the OTT poor swings result from thrusting or casting the club thereby getting steep and outside the plane. And although I often hit wonderful shots with that "perfect feel" I believe I fight getting a little too steep also. In Arnie's transition his wrists are "soft" and the outward push of the club results in the bowing of the left wrist on the downswing. IMO of course. Any suggestions on how to make sure the club is not too steep, but shallows naturally would be appreciated.
I think the whirly bird finish is because he has put everything he has into the downward motion and is catching the energy on the way up where he's not really set up to do that so he picks the most comfortable path to finish. Apparently it's very comfortable because he's able to give everything he has into the start. Otherwise he would be holding back
So Christo you said on MSE TV that the lasso move is the move of the trail shoulder ( blade) that brings your trail atomic elbow automatically down into its Shangri-La slot. Which it does and makes perfect sense to me. So knowing the lasso move can only go in one direction ( clockwise for right handed players) doesn’t that make it a fundamental move in your Miracle OTT Swing? Just wondering. Are their other fundamental moves you might need to consider? What say you. Cheers 😃👍⛳️❤️
The only reason I don't call it a fundamental is because it's not a fundamental to be across the line. The greatest lasso move ever IMO was Calvin Peete. He does it perfectly!
Christo great video, so many players, play their best golf from inside the plane line to on the plane line.That's how I have looked at them, so are you and them OTT or more accurate inside and then on plane line? Wondering
I agree with you, it's just semantics. The hands are looping "over" and not "under" for sure. The difference is where they begin to loop from. Bad OTT players are generally out of position before they begin to loop over. If it's done correctly it's very powerful!
One issue with heavy compression of iron shots-- you're squashing the ball into the ground, and the ground is different on every shot. So you're adding an extra variable that affects distance control. I sweep my irons, but admittedly I play off the white tees on a pretty short course.
Hey Christo! I have adopted your OTT swing, and im making REALLY solid contact with the ball. The one issue i am having though, is that i am over-fading/slicing my long irons. Basically anything over a 7 iron. Any tips?
Great video footage of the King. Balata balls would spin so much it was harder to keep those big hooks and slices from happening. Could the over the top swings just be his fade swing? There were swings in your footage that show him not doing the 'whirly-bird' and those seem to be a draw swing? I am not sure. What do you think?
The footage was incredible because it showed the two shot shapes for Palmer and the extreme difference on his arm levels (Steep or Flat) after he hit the ball. Also, his wrists are in completely different positions at the end of the swing. Too many trade secrets right in front of our eyes and not enough time to decode it...
Yes, I watched Arnie play many times. Once at the Kemper Open, he asked his caddie for a new ball and said I’m going to try to get home in 2 on a par 5. Man did he take a swipe and the ground did shake. I felt it.
Christo, I was standing ahead of Arnie on the 18th at Wood Ranch Country Club in Thousand Oaks CA (site of the GTE Classic in the mid 1980's). Arnie was in his sixties at the time. His drive went by us ripping through the air...I never heard anything like it before or since, It was truly awesome. He was so far ahead of even where a lot of good member golfers would be on that hole. I moved down the hole close enough to hear his conversation with his caddie and he hit a six iron uphill into a 180 pin. By my calculations he had hit his drive well over 320 yards.
Arnold's swing is unique because he didn't have pelvic extension. No reverse C and he never had back problems. A modern player that swings like is Minjee Lee and Danielle Kang.
I think he has the whirly finish because his hands are “backwards” during the follow through. Most players roll their hands over one another after impact, making a traditional follow through possible. Because of that bowed wrist, you’ll notice his left arm is actually preventing his right arm from flowing across at the finish. Thus, the whirly finish. Try to follow through with your left elbow above your right - you can’t. For us normal golfers, we do the whirly sometimes to prevent a hook or promote a fade/slice. For Palmer, it’s just physics. And I love it!!
I like the high finish, I whirly bird also when I finish high.
The best driving exhibition is Arnold Palmer vs Julius Boros 1968 Shell's Wonderful World of Golf. The match takes place in the Bahamas and Boros is using the British ball with Palmer using the larger American ball. You can find this match on youtube
I love the feel of OTT. There is no trapping of the right elbow. And the body opens so easily and the hips naturally turn rather than slide. So many good things. It is my opinion that the OTT poor swings result from thrusting or casting the club thereby getting steep and outside the plane. And although I often hit wonderful shots with that "perfect feel" I believe I fight getting a little too steep also. In Arnie's transition his wrists are "soft" and the outward push of the club results in the bowing of the left wrist on the downswing. IMO of course. Any suggestions on how to make sure the club is not too steep, but shallows naturally would be appreciated.
I’m all about keeping my wrists loose now. I don’t think I’ll tip the shaft and get steep if I remember that!
I think the whirly bird finish is because he has put everything he has into the downward motion and is catching the energy on the way up where he's not really set up to do that so he picks the most comfortable path to finish. Apparently it's very comfortable because he's able to give everything he has into the start. Otherwise he would be holding back
I think he’s trying to to avoid a hook!
Fighting the hook absolutely true. Most of his great recovery shots were made from the left side of the fairway-rough- woods....
He sure got that lean going on as he watched his tee shots!
So Christo you said on MSE TV that the lasso move is the move of the trail shoulder ( blade) that brings your trail atomic elbow automatically down into its Shangri-La slot. Which it does and makes perfect sense to me.
So knowing the lasso move can only go in one direction ( clockwise for right handed players) doesn’t that make it a fundamental move in your Miracle OTT Swing? Just wondering. Are their other fundamental moves you might need to consider? What say you. Cheers 😃👍⛳️❤️
The only reason I don't call it a fundamental is because it's not a fundamental to be across the line. The greatest lasso move ever IMO was Calvin Peete. He does it perfectly!
@@MiracleSwingExperience OK; but yours is not as large; nor is mine; but the clockwise direction is the same for all of us. Correct? Cheers👍😊🥂
Christo great video, so many players, play their best golf from inside the plane line to on the plane line.That's how I have looked at them, so are you and them OTT or more accurate inside and then on plane line? Wondering
I agree with you, it's just semantics. The hands are looping "over" and not "under" for sure. The difference is where they begin to loop from. Bad OTT players are generally out of position before they begin to loop over. If it's done correctly it's very powerful!
One issue with heavy compression of iron shots-- you're squashing the ball into the ground, and the ground is different on every shot. So you're adding an extra variable that affects distance control. I sweep my irons, but admittedly I play off the white tees on a pretty short course.
Tom Watson was a sweeper, but most of the guys are using a steep angle of attack per Trackman data from what I understand.
Hey Christo! I have adopted your OTT swing, and im making REALLY solid contact with the ball. The one issue i am having though, is that i am over-fading/slicing my long irons. Basically anything over a 7 iron.
Any tips?
Take the club back deeper to the inside on your backswing!
Can you do a video on Sergio Garcia's swing? He has ridiculous lag that produces tremendous power.
Yes, that’s is a dynamite suggestion!!!
Great video footage of the King. Balata balls would spin so much it was
harder to keep those big hooks and slices from happening. Could the over the top swings just be his fade swing? There were swings in your footage that show him not doing the 'whirly-bird' and those seem to be a draw swing? I am not sure. What do you think?
That could be. I'm no expert on Palmer, but it seemed to me to be a standard finish for him and his standard shot was a draw. Who knows?
The footage was incredible because it showed the two shot shapes for Palmer and the extreme difference on his arm levels (Steep or Flat) after he hit the ball. Also, his wrists are in completely different positions at the end of the swing. Too many trade secrets right in front of our eyes and not enough time to decode it...
@@jimbarr4936 I had an expert just let me know Palmer was one of the finest drivers of the ball of all time!
Yes, I watched Arnie play many times. Once at the Kemper Open, he asked his caddie for a new ball and said I’m going to try to get home in 2 on a par 5. Man did he take a swipe and the ground did shake. I felt it.
No kidding? I've heard that as folklore and it's amazing to hear about a first-hand account! Thanks, Harley!
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And another thing, you watch. When Arnie hit a fairway wood he took a divot. There’s another guy that did that, Ben Hogan.
@@harleywood9588 You are 100% correct. That's the way to do it.
How low left was Arnie? At the end, he has a high finish but did he exit low?
Yes. He exits below the left shoulder which to me is low.
Dude he’s more compressed than DJ