When I was younger I sometimes sparred with a friend, he was a lot more into kung fu movies than I was. One time he tried swaying and throwing some drunken fist moves he'd seen from the movies, and I am not going to lie, they were really hard to predict. We were not serious or anything, but I could totally see how the moves could work, specially if mixed up with the regular stuff.
I mean, sure if you're against someone who doesn't train, then you're probably faster and are throwing unpredictable moves. But against another person who knows how to fight? Yeah you're probably going to get beat up if they're anywhere close to you in skill.
@@justalurker3489 That's kind of a lot of codified traditional martial arts in a nutshell: They tend to presuppose that you're going up against someone who, if not untrained, is at least not as trained as you are. After all, they weren't developed for combat sports or warfare, they were developed for self-defense and self-mastery, and generally "self-defense" means some malnourished punk who wants to mug you, not a hardened veteran looking for a fight to the death.
@@UrLeingod But I thought a lot of martial arts were actually developed to fight and defend against invaders or to be used in warfare and stuff. I mean ancient warriors before guns would’ve all been using martial arts especially since most traditional martial arts include multiple types of weapon training.
@@ReblazeGaming Most of history is not actually warfare though. Most of history is pretty unremarkable peacetime where the underlying contradictions of society eventually bubble up into wartime. In peacetime warrior traditions and martial arts continue to be practiced, but without actual battlefields where the equipment and soldiers of the time are trained to the most extreme extents, techniques tested etc, they will devolve into what can allow the authorities of these arts to survive. Dojos tend to "devolve" into sport and self defense classes because these are the only real expressions of martial arts in peacetime. This is true of Karate and Muay Thai, Taekwondo and Jiu Jutsu. Without warfare requiring martial arts, martial arts become nothing more than a sideshow. As such the way we experience martial arts as people born in peacetime will always be greatly divorced from how martial arts in the purest expression of combat can look like. Personally I think that's for the best, even as a martial artist.
@@ReblazeGaming some bladed to freehand style are, but hand to hand tend to be on the self defense side of things. in none warfare time when weapon ban are stricter, hand to hand shines.
Even if you can't find any examples of "real" Zuiquan, Emanuel Augustus proved the thesis of the style true. You can in fact zap away the opponent's energy and will to fight with creative evasion, you can also infuriate the judges and have crowds throw trash at them while booing when they refuse to give you the W in fights you thoroughly dominated.
Yes! Emanuel Augustus is an amazing example. I think anyone who studies drunken fist and wants to actually apply it to real combat needs to see breakdowns of his fights. It really sucks what happen to him and I hope he makes a comeback.
Something interesting about Drunken Fist in fiction that I think is worth mentioning: As far as I'm aware, Drunken Fist doesn't *lose* when it's employed... and I think that's part of the trope of the "unbeatable joke character". (Naturally, I can't be certain here, I may have only seen about 10% of it's fictional depictions if we're being generous). I think part of it is because "lovable antics" and "tension" don't mix very well: If our hero is being a goofball in a fight or just having too much fun then it's super entertaining to watch, but there is almost never any tension in the scene. The goofball character is always in control of the fight, and if that character isn't dominant in the fight then it's just not fun anymore. These characters will win every fight you put them in, but will never fight any fight that matters. (This isn't limited to drunken fist, by the way. Zangief is a perfect example in SF5's story: He's just having a grand old time and really doesn't seem to break a sweat in any of his fights, even against capable world warriors like Balrog... but that's because if we were to put Gief up against M.Bison and have Gief lose... well then watching Zangief after that point wouldn't be as much fun.)
A very good observation! The mood of scenes with Drunken Boxing characters rarely lends itself to them losing. I do recall, though, that Rock Lee did lose in Naruto when he first employed Drunken Fist (or at the very least was on the verge of losing before being rescued), and his fight was against one of the more important foes in the series at that time. However, his opponent beat him by finding ways to make him sober up, as it was discovered that he could only use the style while actually drunk. In that way, the only method that an enemy was able to use to defeat a Drunken Fist practitioner was to *remove* Drunken Fist as an option in the fight. In other words, the style itself was still unbeatable!
I think part of the reason it never loses in fiction is because it's pretty much universally a heroic martial art. You just never see antagonistic characters who are practitioners of the style.
I feel like Bo Rai Cho could have been a great character, considering how cool he is conceptually, if he fought like a mix of Po from Kung Fu Panda and Despa from Ranking of Kings . A fighter who has the technique to be an unstoppable badass but his body can’t keep up so he instead melds his knowledge with his weight to take advantage of it with some unorthodox attacks but MK just made him the funny fart and puke man. What’s strange is that those moves could be changed to remove the grossness and still work the same such as breathing a burst of fire to replace the fart and a move where he spills a puddle of his drink to replace the puke. Such Wasted Potential
He was amazing, that's what the fans made him out to be. He's the reason why Liu and Kung can fight. The fucker is capable of crushing your limbs with 2 belly flops.
Lore wise, he's a great fighter. He freaking trained Liu Kang and Kung Lao and even friend with Raiden. Sadly gameplay wise he's discarded as drunken fart puke bastard.
Maybe thats why he stands out more, I guess if one is not a fan of a charcater that imcorporates burfs and farts in a fight but for Bo Rai Cho he stands out from the norm. Everyone else style of drunken kung fu is sorta the same the way you see them, pretty much to catch the opponent off guard by their crazy movements and offence. However some differentiate like Chin Gentsai who somewhat fights with a weapon which is a Sake bottle. And in the case of Bo Rai Cho he imcorporates that by his weight and domeanour. Also the fact some of these characters fighting style and looks are somewhat based on Jackie Chan /Freddy Wong it surprises me when noticing Bo Rai Cho might be imspired by Sammo Hung who also is fat and a great martial artist(& probably Jackie's friends). He maybe disgusting but I still like him. Plus in a game full of blood and gore, burps and farts are nothing.
Ironically outside of combat in mkx, he's actually treated quite seriously and actually does show some dignity. Like, yeah he does make jokes but not the cheap gross out kind that the barfing farty man would but if you only saw his MKX intros, you can buy that he was the master of Liu Kang and Kung Lao
I really like the idea of Drunken Martial Arts in general. It breaks down the "Meta" of martial arts into a circle, you deceive the opponent into making a mistake. And as a Lei Wulong main in most if not all the tekken games, ive bamboozled friends and online due to the seemingly blended togheter moves that can also look like I whiffed by mistake (I didnt).
The Street Fighter Wiki lists DF as one of Lee's styles, but I'm not sure if he ever actually uses anything of it in gameplay; especially with his only game being the very first Street Fighter. I don't know anything about any appearances outside of that game and cameos, though.
4:30 funny enough, a boxer by the name of Emanuel Augustus (aka the drunken master...heh) uses the concepts of Zui Quan surprisingly well (considering he's never been trained in the style) with his use of deception and drunken like moves. with his unusual postures, he baits his opponents to make a mistake and attacks in unorthodox angles and it actually works for him, even so far as to almost beating Floyd mayweather jr.
"We're not talking about Bo Rai Cho" FAIR. lol Drunken Master is the first kung fu flick I ever owned, got it from His Master's Voice in London, I remember since I had to have dad buy it for me cause I wasn't 15 yet. To this day one of my favorites in the genre.
After seeing the Tekken gender swap mods about a year ago, I noticed that there isn’t a drunken fist user/practitioner who is a woman in any media, or at least not one I could think of. (edit) Here’s the mod showcase ruclips.net/video/dgCTiFrPuJk/видео.html
Drunken Fist (Zui Quan) is easily one of the most entertaining fighting styles that exists. It's really cool to watch, and it's truly unique by its moves and techniques. I'm gald that, in fighting games, it has some really cool representations. (I hope someday, someone actually provides a female drunken fist fighter too. It'd be actually interesting to see it.)
@@KyeCreates It's not something usual. Normally, you don't see a woman drunk, or acting wild and beating the people with no reason other than just being drunk. It's just a thought of mine.
9:30 Makes sense, you’ve been wanting to cover Capoeira since the show started. Guess you got tired of the vote and decided, “Fine, I’ll do it myself.”
Speaking of Tabletop RPGs, Pathfinder 2e also has the monk, a pretty straightfoward class with the whole idea of martial arts: using inner knowledge and the mix between strength and speed to get the upper hand, and the fight styles are represented by the different stances you can take. Most are either focused on Strength, Dexterity or Wisdom, but the Stumbling Stance differs from it. It is a stance that favors Charisma and Dexterity, Dex to hit the attacks and Charisma to fool your opponents with a well-placed Deception check. When you enter the stance, you gain bonuses to feints and your fists gain the Backstabber trait, dealing more damage against foes who are caught offguard by your bubbling movement, and if you get hit by an enemy, you move yourself in such a way that you are able to make your next attack more precise. You can even feint before doing your Flurry of Blows and beat someone even more! Also, fuck Bo Rai Cho. All my Drunken homies hate Bo Rai Cho.
You know whats interesting here is that a good majority of popular fighting games has a drunken master in it, all except Street Fighter. Which is weird considering the amount of different fighting styles there is in that game karate,ninjitsu,muay thai even some kung fu practitioners like Chun-li,Fei Long,Gen,Yang and Yun. But theres never been one that studies and masters drunken kung fu in them which is sad. Hopefully when SF6 does comes out soon we might get a drunken master but i'll probably doubt it.
If you need to see peak Drunken Fist in fighting games, look no further than Homo-Genius: A History of Gay Inventors Volume 59. Also speaking of Chin, recent KOFs have him have the same "drink meter" mechanic as Shun Di. Characters even point out how he's technically doping.
2:07 man i'd love to hear you talk about Choy Li Fut more on this channel someday. i've practiced it for around 7 years. Though I know it pretty much never shows up in media, no less fighting games
Brad Wong is one of the reasons I LOVE the Dead or Alive series. The fluidity of the movements aren't limited to any one character, which makes Brad a lot of fun to play with. Especially if going against button mashers and projectile fighters. MK and Tekken are too stiff.
Fighting that guy demands calm head and deep thinking.. just spamming kicks and punches, throwing attempts here and there could work but if the fight gotten prolonged, he could easily won that fight... Same goes with the rule playing him..
Fighting games need a petite young female Drunken Boxer for once, just sayin'... It's all old guys except for Lei Wulong, who is very clearly Jackie Chan.
While its not REAL Drunken Fist , there's a pro boxer that used a similar style of fighting and while he didn't have that big of a career most of his loses where because judges just didn't like the fighting style and would deduct points, people call his style drunken boxing but its more like dance boxing xD .the principals where the same, unpredictable movements to catch opponents by surprise . His name was Emanuel Agustus. ruclips.net/video/xL9TDcXvDCw/видео.html
I'm glad you touched on how off-tempo Brad feels among the DOA cast, since it's the reason I've kept him as a secondary for my locals and online. I'm probably a better Momiji/Honoka player, but nothing disrupts the flow of a losing streak like swapping between them and Brad, and vice-versa. He's also just so much fun.
@@XernuhtZwei I am just kidding. :D Mr Mozzarella. 🙈 Jk aside: I am really bad in this game and need to invest a lot more time. Tekken seems a lot easier regarding combos and stuff…
I love Shun Di because he has that aspect of tilting the opponent into making missteps, because he can just sit back and drink. It's a fun animation and makes me feel like a dingus when I just kinda spam it fullscreen
Emanuel Augustus was a pro boxer that people call the “Drunken master”. He never practiced the art. But he did use that loose movement and unpredictably in a dance like movement. Mayweather said he was his toughest opponent.
I love the running gag throughout these whenever Bo' Rai Cho comes up. That is just pure distilled resentment. " _We're not talking about Bo' Rai Cho_ . "
I'm looking forward to seeing Momoko of KOF being spotlighted in your capoeira video. She is highly underrated, but the most accurate to the style in a 2D fighting game.
I bet you're pretty peeved at the announcement of Jamie right after this video came out. For some reason drunken master and drunken boxing has filled my feed lately. Interesting video. Thank you.
You're done with MK, I get that. But somehow it manages to keep slipping into these videos here and there the Bajiquan video showed an aspect of 3D MK in general I think is kinda silly. Characters have listed fighting styles, but almost never look at all like the art in question. The style names are legit, but onky Tae Kwon Do looks at all like that, for 3D MK Standards. Hell, for Armageddon a lotnof fighting styles were stripped away and given to someone else. Meaning the arts really meant nothing to who that charafter was outsife of the function. And Li Mei didn't even keep Baji, she kept Lui He Ba Fa. And sometimes it made no sense, like Kali Sticks. When even Sonya kills people, bringing a weapon designed to be a Sword training implement to a fight to the death just doesn't make sense They only started to have characters who looked like they used X martial art (not counting Liu Kang) in MK11, and even then ABI counted that as the last straw
Yeah me too Boxing is my favorite martial art I main Dudley and balrog in street fighter I main little Mac in smash bros I love the rocky movies I love punch out Hajime no Ippo is my favorite anime I think boxing is very overlooked in the FGC so it would be nice to see it get some recognition
You've opened my eyes to a what I think is a *brilliant* mechanic with Brad Wong's walk. The idea that a character's walk cycle is uneven with bursts of forward movement followed by slowdown, or the other way around is... super interesting to think about and gives the character a sort of "passive footwork" that I think has a lot of potential. Sadly, I don't have any Dead or Alive games to try him with, but it's got me thinking of all kinds of mechanics you could use to mess around with it. If this hypothetical character starts slow and has a quick forward move, maybe some moves change his position in the walk for a few frames after you land them, making the first steps you take after using this move be the sudden quick move before slowing down again, and also makes me wonder about what potential we can dig out of non-standard walk cycles for other characters.
I didn't get a chance to showcase it, but Tekken 7's version of Lei Wulong also added movement options to his Drunken Boxing stance. He can do a steady shuffle moving backwards, but his forward walk is a disorienting stumble that starts slow, then suddenly lurches forward swiftly while actually swaying into and out of the foreground/background. It's VERY difficult to keep an eye on him before he suddenly launches an attack out of it, and it looks VERY cool when he does it! A few of those Lei clips actually have it.
@@SugarPunch ya know, now that I think of it, the only other non standard walk cycle I can think of is Parasoul of Skullgirls. Though in this case, it's meant to demonstrate poise and precision, not a lack of control (real or feigned). Her inching forward with calm, controlled steps however still demonstrates character incredibly well.
It seems we can add a new fun addition to the Drunken Master archetype: Jamie from Street Fighter 7. Something I like about how Jamie is introduced is during the custom character story, he actively provides the MC a drink, stating that it ISN'T alcohol, but rather an herbal tea of sorts with a REALLY powerful kick.
I'd like to suggest: Taekwondo (All legs) Muay Thai (art of 8 limbs) Lethwei (art of 9 limbs) Arnis/Kali/Escrima (Why does a culture w/o Hinduism have a Martial Art named after a Hindu Goddess?) Boxing (All Arms) Kobudo Ninjutsu P.S. I'm very fond of strike based martial arts, but indifferent to grappling & throwing.
Grapplers are underrated in fighting games. I'd love to see some breakdowns on Jiu Jitsu, catch wrestling, or Judo fighters. Anyone can land a lucky strike. In grappling, damage can only be really applied by those who truly know what they're doing.
IMO an interesting character to bring up in the capoeira episode would be Bob Wilson from Fatal Fury, specifically in Real Bout 2. Unlike most capoeira characters in fighting games, his mixup potential is super limited, and he's instead a neutral focused character that relies on punishes and frame traps to get big damage
Of course people had to vote this video in before SF6 so we wouldn't get footage with Jamie in it XD Great video all around and definitely favorite series from you
One question I have is about drunkards who fight but not necessarily practitioners of Zui Quan. I've seen some depictions of these kinds of characters taking a sip of their beverages and then spitting it into their swords. Does this have any tactical advantage or historical precedence? The best examples I have are Haomaru, from SamSho, and Juzou the Drunkard from Sekiro
It has to do with the style of the sword. Some swords have a bamboo grip and soaking it makes it easier to hold. There is no significance to it being alcohol as water works just as well, but most depictions in media don't have a badass samurai carrying around a cask of water, haha.
I love Honoka in DOA incorporating Drunken Fist moves, it looks so out of place when none of her other moves move so wildly but isn’t jarring since she enters the stance after doing a move
While I do always enjoy watching the drunken boxing characters, I've never bought its viability as an actual fighting style. It's not that easy to hurt someone with a punch, even as a trained martial artist, and drunken boxing just seems to spend too much effort on weird evasive stances to ever do any real damage.
@@Stroggoii Augustus wasn't literally using a drunken fist kung fu style, he was just an insanely unorthodox boxer who was nicknamed "The Drunken Master", probably in reference to the Jackie Chan movie. Look at all the examples of the Kung Fu styles then compare it to Augustus, they don't look anything alike. And Willie Pep was a defensive genius, but once again look at the tape we have on him and it doesn't look anything like those styles of Kung Fu, also given the time period he lived in it's less likely he would've even been exposed to the concept, let alone be trained in it.
There's 2 other Zui Quan practitioners, but these are pretty obscure. These would be Hong Yuli and Su Qingtao, both from Kensei: Sacred Fist. The game has basically 2 (or sometimes more) characters for each fighting style, making them essentially moveset clones with few differences here and there. Yuli is probably the only female Zui Quan practictioner in a fighting game, and Qingtao is her master (complete with the Beggar So appearance style)
I do like how there isn't a 'oh no it's a mistranslation' sitatuion, it straight up 'yeah there're on the booze and don't know where the floor is. watch out.'
If you ever watch fights, whether official or not, you'll notice one thing that most fights have in common. It's not knockouts. It's whoever gets tired first loses. Knockouts flashy and cool, but even if you are an expert, there is still a level of luck involved to perform a knockout. When tired, fighters' form starts to break down, their reaction time slows down, they become more distracted, their agility lessens, their strength decreases etc. If you've ever sparred or even punch a punching bag for 5 minutes, you know exactly what I'm talking about. This is why boxing, being the most "simplistic" martial arts, works so well. Tae Kwon Do, Drunk Fists, Capoeira and the likes all use a lot of energy, and some of those moves don't translate to hitting the opponent. If you're about the same fitness level as your opponent, you'll tire out more quickly, which means your chances of losing the fight increases.
I love to hate Brad Wong. He's so cool and entertaining, but he keeps kicking my ass. For the capoeira episode, be sure to include Trident from Eternal Champions. He's a strange one, because he's from ancient Atlantis, probably around 2000 years before the style was invented, so how did he learn it...?
Yknow, I'm a little surprised that you didn't bring up Soul Calibur's Voldo. While he may not strictly be a practitioner of Drunken Fist, he absolutely follows the tenets of it- being able to attack unexpectedly from quite literally any position- including during rolls and after knockdowns!- his idle animation is infamously a moonwalk with exaggerated motions, and when stripped of the context of "Drunk" many of the moves in a few different styles of Drunked Fist end up looking like this sort of Hellraiser Cenobite nightmare motion with terrifying flexibility, which uh... listen, I think we've all had a nightmare about Voldo at one point or another. Again, certainly not the standard archetype for it, but I think it would have been worth an honorable mention.
MKX revived characters like Tremor and made them absolutely amazing, but I guess they didn’t want to get rid of Bo Rai Cho’s farting and puking. It’s kind of iconic to his character, but also makes him a joke and hated so much. Story wise he’s taken seriously, but someone in the 3D era was on something when designing his moves.
Respect the man's tolerance for alcohol. The problem is the hangover the next day for these guys and texting something they shouldn't have the night before. Beer belly boxing.
There's a boxer named Emanuel Augustus that did the closest thing I've seen to drunken kung fu. He would stumble around and act drunk in boxing matches. He won a lot of fights, and apparently should have won more. But judges often didn't like what he was doing, so he would lose based on that. Lots of clips of him kicking ass, though. Check him out. He's sick.
In Soul Calibur 4 and 5 Yoshimitsu has a secret meter Iron Fist Meter that allows him to randomly access Drunken Fist stance. He becomes invulnerable to any attacks even unblockables. It causes him to switch to any of his stances that have tech dodge built in. For example in drunken fist if you hit him low he will go into dragonfly or flea stance, if you try to hit him high he will go into meditation and other attacks cause him to spin and appear behind you. The only catch is if you are not attacked in the first second then you are stuck in the drunk stance and can now be hit. Basically punishes the opponent for attacking you in drunken fist.
so what your telling me, is the Lucky Chloe is a drunken master style, annoying moves, tilting the opponent, leading up to one mistake or surprise to ruin my day. IDK sounds 1 to 1 to me
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When I was younger I sometimes sparred with a friend, he was a lot more into kung fu movies than I was. One time he tried swaying and throwing some drunken fist moves he'd seen from the movies, and I am not going to lie, they were really hard to predict. We were not serious or anything, but I could totally see how the moves could work, specially if mixed up with the regular stuff.
I mean, sure if you're against someone who doesn't train, then you're probably faster and are throwing unpredictable moves. But against another person who knows how to fight? Yeah you're probably going to get beat up if they're anywhere close to you in skill.
@@justalurker3489 That's kind of a lot of codified traditional martial arts in a nutshell: They tend to presuppose that you're going up against someone who, if not untrained, is at least not as trained as you are. After all, they weren't developed for combat sports or warfare, they were developed for self-defense and self-mastery, and generally "self-defense" means some malnourished punk who wants to mug you, not a hardened veteran looking for a fight to the death.
@@UrLeingod But I thought a lot of martial arts were actually developed to fight and defend against invaders or to be used in warfare and stuff. I mean ancient warriors before guns would’ve all been using martial arts especially since most traditional martial arts include multiple types of weapon training.
@@ReblazeGaming Most of history is not actually warfare though. Most of history is pretty unremarkable peacetime where the underlying contradictions of society eventually bubble up into wartime.
In peacetime warrior traditions and martial arts continue to be practiced, but without actual battlefields where the equipment and soldiers of the time are trained to the most extreme extents, techniques tested etc, they will devolve into what can allow the authorities of these arts to survive. Dojos tend to "devolve" into sport and self defense classes because these are the only real expressions of martial arts in peacetime. This is true of Karate and Muay Thai, Taekwondo and Jiu Jutsu. Without warfare requiring martial arts, martial arts become nothing more than a sideshow.
As such the way we experience martial arts as people born in peacetime will always be greatly divorced from how martial arts in the purest expression of combat can look like. Personally I think that's for the best, even as a martial artist.
@@ReblazeGaming some bladed to freehand style are, but hand to hand tend to be on the self defense side of things. in none warfare time when weapon ban are stricter, hand to hand shines.
Even if you can't find any examples of "real" Zuiquan, Emanuel Augustus proved the thesis of the style true.
You can in fact zap away the opponent's energy and will to fight with creative evasion, you can also infuriate the judges and have crowds throw trash at them while booing when they refuse to give you the W in fights you thoroughly dominated.
Yes! Emanuel Augustus is an amazing example. I think anyone who studies drunken fist and wants to actually apply it to real combat needs to see breakdowns of his fights. It really sucks what happen to him and I hope he makes a comeback.
i was just abut to post something about Augustus lol. can watch him fight all day!!
He was on the side of so many bad decisions it's honestly ridiculous
It also saps your stamina so good luck lol
Shame they robbed him of some fight he definitely won
ABI got tired of Capoeira getting looked over for everything else every vote and just decided "Fuck it i'm just doing it anyways"
"i wanna talk about my kicky dancy fighters, goddammit"
Something interesting about Drunken Fist in fiction that I think is worth mentioning:
As far as I'm aware, Drunken Fist doesn't *lose* when it's employed... and I think that's part of the trope of the "unbeatable joke character". (Naturally, I can't be certain here, I may have only seen about 10% of it's fictional depictions if we're being generous). I think part of it is because "lovable antics" and "tension" don't mix very well: If our hero is being a goofball in a fight or just having too much fun then it's super entertaining to watch, but there is almost never any tension in the scene. The goofball character is always in control of the fight, and if that character isn't dominant in the fight then it's just not fun anymore. These characters will win every fight you put them in, but will never fight any fight that matters.
(This isn't limited to drunken fist, by the way. Zangief is a perfect example in SF5's story: He's just having a grand old time and really doesn't seem to break a sweat in any of his fights, even against capable world warriors like Balrog... but that's because if we were to put Gief up against M.Bison and have Gief lose... well then watching Zangief after that point wouldn't be as much fun.)
A very good observation! The mood of scenes with Drunken Boxing characters rarely lends itself to them losing. I do recall, though, that Rock Lee did lose in Naruto when he first employed Drunken Fist (or at the very least was on the verge of losing before being rescued), and his fight was against one of the more important foes in the series at that time. However, his opponent beat him by finding ways to make him sober up, as it was discovered that he could only use the style while actually drunk. In that way, the only method that an enemy was able to use to defeat a Drunken Fist practitioner was to *remove* Drunken Fist as an option in the fight.
In other words, the style itself was still unbeatable!
I think part of the reason it never loses in fiction is because it's pretty much universally a heroic martial art. You just never see antagonistic characters who are practitioners of the style.
I feel like Bo Rai Cho could have been a great character, considering how cool he is conceptually, if he fought like a mix of Po from Kung Fu Panda and Despa from Ranking of Kings . A fighter who has the technique to be an unstoppable badass but his body can’t keep up so he instead melds his knowledge with his weight to take advantage of it with some unorthodox attacks but MK just made him the funny fart and puke man. What’s strange is that those moves could be changed to remove the grossness and still work the same such as breathing a burst of fire to replace the fart and a move where he spills a puddle of his drink to replace the puke. Such Wasted Potential
He was amazing, that's what the fans made him out to be. He's the reason why Liu and Kung can fight. The fucker is capable of crushing your limbs with 2 belly flops.
Lore wise, he's a great fighter. He freaking trained Liu Kang and Kung Lao and even friend with Raiden. Sadly gameplay wise he's discarded as drunken fart puke bastard.
He could be much more than a cheap joke character. A great MK game has yet to be made
Maybe thats why he stands out more, I guess if one is not a fan of a charcater that imcorporates burfs and farts in a fight but for Bo Rai Cho he stands out from the norm. Everyone else style of drunken kung fu is sorta the same the way you see them, pretty much to catch the opponent off guard by their crazy movements and offence. However some differentiate like Chin Gentsai who somewhat fights with a weapon which is a Sake bottle. And in the case of Bo Rai Cho he imcorporates that by his weight and domeanour.
Also the fact some of these characters fighting style and looks are somewhat based on Jackie Chan /Freddy Wong it surprises me when noticing Bo Rai Cho might be imspired by Sammo Hung who also is fat and a great martial artist(& probably Jackie's friends).
He maybe disgusting but I still like him. Plus in a game full of blood and gore, burps and farts are nothing.
Ironically outside of combat in mkx, he's actually treated quite seriously and actually does show some dignity. Like, yeah he does make jokes but not the cheap gross out kind that the barfing farty man would but if you only saw his MKX intros, you can buy that he was the master of Liu Kang and Kung Lao
I really like the idea of Drunken Martial Arts in general. It breaks down the "Meta" of martial arts into a circle, you deceive the opponent into making a mistake. And as a Lei Wulong main in most if not all the tekken games, ive bamboozled friends and online due to the seemingly blended togheter moves that can also look like I whiffed by mistake (I didnt).
To be honest, I’m surprised that Street Fighter never did a drunken fist character.
The Street Fighter Wiki lists DF as one of Lee's styles, but I'm not sure if he ever actually uses anything of it in gameplay; especially with his only game being the very first Street Fighter. I don't know anything about any appearances outside of that game and cameos, though.
I think it’s because it would hurt the brand. SF is family friendly, I don’t think that a Drunken fighter would make it.
@@biorobot2 Street Fighter is FAR from family friendly
@@biorobot2 and I don't think a drunken-inspired fighting style would ruin the brand of a game with a huge amount of fighting styles.
@@Daniel_Coffman there's actually some promotional art of him where he's got the typical drunken fist look of Beggard So
4:30 funny enough, a boxer by the name of Emanuel Augustus (aka the drunken master...heh) uses the concepts of Zui Quan surprisingly well (considering he's never been trained in the style) with his use of deception and drunken like moves. with his unusual postures, he baits his opponents to make a mistake and attacks in unorthodox angles and it actually works for him, even so far as to almost beating Floyd mayweather jr.
I’ve heard of this guy
Came here to say this
Street Fighter has heard finally heard the call. Capcom saw your video title, saw your channel logo, then put something together in 2 weeks :P
Perfect timing. SF now has a new Drunken Kung Fu fighter
"We're not talking about Bo Rai Cho"
FAIR. lol Drunken Master is the first kung fu flick I ever owned, got it from His Master's Voice in London, I remember since I had to have dad buy it for me cause I wasn't 15 yet. To this day one of my favorites in the genre.
Meitenkun is kind of a genius idea at his core - his comcept is basically "what if drunken boxer but sleepy instead of drunk"
never think about it that way. that's cool! now I might give the character a chance haha
After seeing the Tekken gender swap mods about a year ago, I noticed that there isn’t a drunken fist user/practitioner who is a woman in any media, or at least not one I could think of.
(edit) Here’s the mod showcase
ruclips.net/video/dgCTiFrPuJk/видео.html
Yeah we are in dire need of a drunken waifu
There's a niche a fighter could fill.
Suika in the Touhou fighter games, I guess? Though that's less drunken fist and more an actual drunk who happens to fist
Ever played Yuli from Kensei Sacred Fist?
Not a fighting game, but Lambretta from Granblue is an example of a drunken fist fighter in that gacha
Drunken Fist (Zui Quan) is easily one of the most entertaining fighting styles that exists. It's really cool to watch, and it's truly unique by its moves and techniques.
I'm gald that, in fighting games, it has some really cool representations. (I hope someday, someone actually provides a female drunken fist fighter too. It'd be actually interesting to see it.)
What's interesting about a female version except from the character just being a woman.
@@KyeCreates It's not something usual. Normally, you don't see a woman drunk, or acting wild and beating the people with no reason other than just being drunk. It's just a thought of mine.
@@Saikyokugen I see, respect it 👍
@@KyeCreates Thnx for comprehend it bro. 💪👍
9:30 Makes sense, you’ve been wanting to cover Capoeira since the show started. Guess you got tired of the vote and decided, “Fine, I’ll do it myself.”
And two weeks later Street Fighter introduces its first Drunken Fist character (where the style actually shows)
And lo and behold, we have a cool ass new character rep in Jamie for SF6!
Speaking of Tabletop RPGs, Pathfinder 2e also has the monk, a pretty straightfoward class with the whole idea of martial arts: using inner knowledge and the mix between strength and speed to get the upper hand, and the fight styles are represented by the different stances you can take. Most are either focused on Strength, Dexterity or Wisdom, but the Stumbling Stance differs from it. It is a stance that favors Charisma and Dexterity, Dex to hit the attacks and Charisma to fool your opponents with a well-placed Deception check. When you enter the stance, you gain bonuses to feints and your fists gain the Backstabber trait, dealing more damage against foes who are caught offguard by your bubbling movement, and if you get hit by an enemy, you move yourself in such a way that you are able to make your next attack more precise. You can even feint before doing your Flurry of Blows and beat someone even more!
Also, fuck Bo Rai Cho. All my Drunken homies hate Bo Rai Cho.
Everything I hear and read about 2e sounds so cool. I need to get my group to play it.
A shame they didn't include it in Path of the Righteous.
You know whats interesting here is that a good majority of popular fighting games has a drunken master in it, all except Street Fighter.
Which is weird considering the amount of different fighting styles there is in that game karate,ninjitsu,muay thai even some kung fu practitioners like Chun-li,Fei Long,Gen,Yang and Yun. But theres never been one that studies and masters drunken kung fu in them which is sad.
Hopefully when SF6 does comes out soon we might get a drunken master but i'll probably doubt it.
Well, we definitely do now. Jamie looks pretty cool, honestly.
We got Jamie now
If you need to see peak Drunken Fist in fighting games, look no further than Homo-Genius: A History of Gay Inventors Volume 59.
Also speaking of Chin, recent KOFs have him have the same "drink meter" mechanic as Shun Di. Characters even point out how he's technically doping.
That fight was so embarrassing for krauser that he never joined another kof tournament
2:07 man i'd love to hear you talk about Choy Li Fut more on this channel someday. i've practiced it for around 7 years. Though I know it pretty much never shows up in media, no less fighting games
nerd
Looks like this video might get updated soon.
It would be nice to see a drunken fist character that is a drunk party girl
Brad Wong is one of the reasons I LOVE the Dead or Alive series.
The fluidity of the movements aren't limited to any one character, which makes Brad a lot of fun to play with.
Especially if going against button mashers and projectile fighters.
MK and Tekken are too stiff.
Fighting that guy demands calm head and deep thinking.. just spamming kicks and punches, throwing attempts here and there could work but if the fight gotten prolonged, he could easily won that fight... Same goes with the rule playing him..
And when he is an opponent it's almost impossible to make counters against him.
I respect the integrity of a person who puts a disclaimer in their video that has it demonetized in China.
Just in, SF6 Has a drunken fist character!
Fighting games need a petite young female Drunken Boxer for once, just sayin'...
It's all old guys except for Lei Wulong, who is very clearly Jackie Chan.
Just here to comment on the insane timing of this video coming just 2 weeks before the SF6 reveal featuring a drunken boxer with hints of capoeira
Glad we’re getting a capoeira video, had no clue why it was getting out-matched in voting
Shun Di in Virtua Fighter is the best drunken fist character. That drink mechanic is super fun to use.
And in Shun Di's case we know that he is actually drunk and not pretending as happens with Brad and Lei.
Hearing about the drunken monk beat 30 other monks reminded me of Cartman claiming to jump a skateboard over 30 homeless people. LOL
While its not REAL Drunken Fist , there's a pro boxer that used a similar style of fighting and while he didn't have that big of a career most of his loses where because judges just didn't like the fighting style and would deduct points, people call his style drunken boxing but its more like dance boxing xD .the principals where the same, unpredictable movements to catch opponents by surprise . His name was Emanuel Agustus.
ruclips.net/video/xL9TDcXvDCw/видео.html
In the fighting game "Jackie Chan's Fists of Fire" you can play as drunken jackie for the other represent of the style
I'm glad you touched on how off-tempo Brad feels among the DOA cast, since it's the reason I've kept him as a secondary for my locals and online.
I'm probably a better Momiji/Honoka player, but nothing disrupts the flow of a losing streak like swapping between them and Brad, and vice-versa. He's also just so much fun.
🧀 detected. 🤪 No seriously: I am not able to hold/block any attacks off him. His movement set is literally 🍌. 🙈
My main is rather Bayman or Kokoro. 🥸
Hes super fun.
@@ThePianist51
Is it cheese if I actually take the time to lab out routes with him? If so, my name is now Mozza.
@@XernuhtZwei I am just kidding. :D Mr Mozzarella. 🙈 Jk aside: I am really bad in this game and need to invest a lot more time. Tekken seems a lot easier regarding combos and stuff…
I love Shun Di because he has that aspect of tilting the opponent into making missteps, because he can just sit back and drink. It's a fun animation and makes me feel like a dingus when I just kinda spam it fullscreen
It also forces the opponent to commit to approaching Shun Di, because if you just let him drink, he becomes extremely powerful very fast.
Emanuel Augustus was a pro boxer that people call the “Drunken master”. He never practiced the art. But he did use that loose movement and unpredictably in a dance like movement. Mayweather said he was his toughest opponent.
I love the running gag throughout these whenever Bo' Rai Cho comes up. That is just pure distilled resentment.
" _We're not talking about Bo' Rai Cho_ . "
I'm looking forward to seeing Momoko of KOF being spotlighted in your capoeira video. She is highly underrated, but the most accurate to the style in a 2D fighting game.
she doesn't even know how tp gingar! look for maria miranda maia for a 2d capoeira fighter
@@fabriciodesi Never heard of the character. What game is she from?
Shun Di is THE Drunken Master in fighting games. Most of the moves from the Jackie Chan DM films are in VF... plus more 😂
I bet you're pretty peeved at the announcement of Jamie right after this video came out. For some reason drunken master and drunken boxing has filled my feed lately. Interesting video. Thank you.
You're done with MK, I get that. But somehow it manages to keep slipping into these videos here and there
the Bajiquan video showed an aspect of 3D MK in general I think is kinda silly. Characters have listed fighting styles, but almost never look at all like the art in question. The style names are legit, but onky Tae Kwon Do looks at all like that, for 3D MK Standards.
Hell, for Armageddon a lotnof fighting styles were stripped away and given to someone else. Meaning the arts really meant nothing to who that charafter was outsife of the function. And Li Mei didn't even keep Baji, she kept Lui He Ba Fa.
And sometimes it made no sense, like Kali Sticks. When even Sonya kills people, bringing a weapon designed to be a Sword training implement to a fight to the death just doesn't make sense
They only started to have characters who looked like they used X martial art (not counting Liu Kang) in MK11, and even then ABI counted that as the last straw
MKX Kung Lao seemed authentic to me.
You need to update this since Jamie is Drunk boxing in SF6
I’d love to see a style select on boxing
Yeah me too
Boxing is my favorite martial art
I main Dudley and balrog in street fighter
I main little Mac in smash bros
I love the rocky movies
I love punch out
Hajime no Ippo is my favorite anime
I think boxing is very overlooked in the FGC so it would be nice to see it get some recognition
what about ashita no joe
You've opened my eyes to a what I think is a *brilliant* mechanic with Brad Wong's walk. The idea that a character's walk cycle is uneven with bursts of forward movement followed by slowdown, or the other way around is... super interesting to think about and gives the character a sort of "passive footwork" that I think has a lot of potential. Sadly, I don't have any Dead or Alive games to try him with, but it's got me thinking of all kinds of mechanics you could use to mess around with it. If this hypothetical character starts slow and has a quick forward move, maybe some moves change his position in the walk for a few frames after you land them, making the first steps you take after using this move be the sudden quick move before slowing down again, and also makes me wonder about what potential we can dig out of non-standard walk cycles for other characters.
I didn't get a chance to showcase it, but Tekken 7's version of Lei Wulong also added movement options to his Drunken Boxing stance. He can do a steady shuffle moving backwards, but his forward walk is a disorienting stumble that starts slow, then suddenly lurches forward swiftly while actually swaying into and out of the foreground/background. It's VERY difficult to keep an eye on him before he suddenly launches an attack out of it, and it looks VERY cool when he does it! A few of those Lei clips actually have it.
@@SugarPunch ya know, now that I think of it, the only other non standard walk cycle I can think of is Parasoul of Skullgirls. Though in this case, it's meant to demonstrate poise and precision, not a lack of control (real or feigned).
Her inching forward with calm, controlled steps however still demonstrates character incredibly well.
@@VillainousHanacha there's also big band's steps that have similar rhythm but instead it's to sell how heavy he is
Thank you for saying "Chwan/Ch'uan" and not "Kwan/Qwan"!
Three kingdoms taught me Q is pronounced with a CH. thanks Sun Quan
It seems we can add a new fun addition to the Drunken Master archetype: Jamie from Street Fighter 7.
Something I like about how Jamie is introduced is during the custom character story, he actively provides the MC a drink, stating that it ISN'T alcohol, but rather an herbal tea of sorts with a REALLY powerful kick.
I'd like to suggest:
Taekwondo (All legs)
Muay Thai (art of 8 limbs)
Lethwei (art of 9 limbs)
Arnis/Kali/Escrima (Why does a culture w/o Hinduism have a Martial Art named after a Hindu Goddess?)
Boxing (All Arms)
Kobudo
Ninjutsu
P.S. I'm very fond of strike based martial arts, but indifferent to grappling & throwing.
Grapplers are underrated in fighting games.
I'd love to see some breakdowns on Jiu Jitsu, catch wrestling, or Judo fighters.
Anyone can land a lucky strike. In grappling, damage can only be really applied by those who truly know what they're doing.
The best part is that Bo Rai Cho is like "Borracho" the spanish for Very Drunk
and now we got jamie
When you get so wasted that you invent a new kung-fu style
IMO an interesting character to bring up in the capoeira episode would be Bob Wilson from Fatal Fury, specifically in Real Bout 2. Unlike most capoeira characters in fighting games, his mixup potential is super limited, and he's instead a neutral focused character that relies on punishes and frame traps to get big damage
" I am just a nerd who likes Fighting Games and Kung Fu. "
Same, bro. Same.
And now Jaime continues the tradtion
I clicked for Brad Wong and I. wasn't. disappointed! Thank you for making this video!!
I love the element of Bo Rai Cho's name being a play off of the Spanish word "borracho" that means drunkard/drunk man.
Of course people had to vote this video in before SF6 so we wouldn't get footage with Jamie in it XD
Great video all around and definitely favorite series from you
As an mk fan “we’re not talking about bo’rai’cho” hurt, but I can completely understand it.
I don't get it
One question I have is about drunkards who fight but not necessarily practitioners of Zui Quan. I've seen some depictions of these kinds of characters taking a sip of their beverages and then spitting it into their swords. Does this have any tactical advantage or historical precedence? The best examples I have are Haomaru, from SamSho, and Juzou the Drunkard from Sekiro
It has to do with the style of the sword. Some swords have a bamboo grip and soaking it makes it easier to hold. There is no significance to it being alcohol as water works just as well, but most depictions in media don't have a badass samurai carrying around a cask of water, haha.
@@KingSigy interesting. That kind of invalidates Juzou, though. When he spits sake into his sword, it's so he can deliver a venomous attack
@@arthurpprado i mean, it does hurt like a BITCH to get alcohol in an open wound...
As for you have explained, I think Suika Ibuki from Touhou also uses this technic in the fighting games Touhou 7.5, 10.5 and 12.3
I love Honoka in DOA incorporating Drunken Fist moves, it looks so out of place when none of her other moves move so wildly but isn’t jarring since she enters the stance after doing a move
You have a RUclips vid of this can’t find one?
@@rayjaytay8442 of Honoka’s moveset? There’s gotta be one out there somewhere. If not just play Dead or Alive 5 or 6 lol
Shun Di is the drunken master GOAT in fighting games.
If you want more info for capoeira, I recommend reading batuque manga , It’s a great read and the fight chorography it’s excellent
You missed ol' Dirty Bastard in Wu-Tang Shaolin Style on the original PlayStation.
Was hoping to see this mentioned too!
While I do always enjoy watching the drunken boxing characters, I've never bought its viability as an actual fighting style. It's not that easy to hurt someone with a punch, even as a trained martial artist, and drunken boxing just seems to spend too much effort on weird evasive stances to ever do any real damage.
Look up Emanuel Augustus and Willie Pep. You can in fact thoroughly annihilate an opponent's will to fight through evasion alone.
@@Stroggoii Augustus wasn't literally using a drunken fist kung fu style, he was just an insanely unorthodox boxer who was nicknamed "The Drunken Master", probably in reference to the Jackie Chan movie. Look at all the examples of the Kung Fu styles then compare it to Augustus, they don't look anything alike.
And Willie Pep was a defensive genius, but once again look at the tape we have on him and it doesn't look anything like those styles of Kung Fu, also given the time period he lived in it's less likely he would've even been exposed to the concept, let alone be trained in it.
@@justalurker3489 Function>Form, specially when there's no examples of the form functioning outside of fiction and propaganda exhibitions.
There's 2 other Zui Quan practitioners, but these are pretty obscure. These would be Hong Yuli and Su Qingtao, both from Kensei: Sacred Fist. The game has basically 2 (or sometimes more) characters for each fighting style, making them essentially moveset clones with few differences here and there. Yuli is probably the only female Zui Quan practictioner in a fighting game, and Qingtao is her master (complete with the Beggar So appearance style)
I appreciate the disclaimer you have included in this work of yours Mister.
Thank you so much.
I do like how there isn't a 'oh no it's a mistranslation' sitatuion, it straight up 'yeah there're on the booze and don't know where the floor is. watch out.'
I am now going to study Golden Bowl and Iron Chopstick
Technically you need not be a drunk to learn the various Drunken Fist styles.
If you ever watch fights, whether official or not, you'll notice one thing that most fights have in common. It's not knockouts. It's whoever gets tired first loses. Knockouts flashy and cool, but even if you are an expert, there is still a level of luck involved to perform a knockout. When tired, fighters' form starts to break down, their reaction time slows down, they become more distracted, their agility lessens, their strength decreases etc. If you've ever sparred or even punch a punching bag for 5 minutes, you know exactly what I'm talking about. This is why boxing, being the most "simplistic" martial arts, works so well. Tae Kwon Do, Drunk Fists, Capoeira and the likes all use a lot of energy, and some of those moves don't translate to hitting the opponent. If you're about the same fitness level as your opponent, you'll tire out more quickly, which means your chances of losing the fight increases.
A completely out of left field Drunken Master character that performed the style well was Flavor Flav from Def Jam: Fight For New York. 😁
I see a DOA character I click!
hema: i can break your bones under armor even without a weapon
df:dont hold my beer
The random left turn to make a venomous comment about le ebil ccp was such a reddit moment
Huh?! The Whistle Theme! Hopefully an upcoming video will analyze the combat of Francis York Morgan.
So, are we getting an amended version of this video that analyses SF6's newcomer Jamie? Because it's now something of an obvious gap.
The fact that some of the defenses of these characters just being an absolute pain to even hit made me laugh tells me the fantasy is working.
I love to hate Brad Wong. He's so cool and entertaining, but he keeps kicking my ass.
For the capoeira episode, be sure to include Trident from Eternal Champions. He's a strange one, because he's from ancient Atlantis, probably around 2000 years before the style was invented, so how did he learn it...?
The intro when dude was getting beat up 😭 I love it.
The boxer Agustus Emanuel is ironically the best example of these ideas.
Yknow, I'm a little surprised that you didn't bring up Soul Calibur's Voldo.
While he may not strictly be a practitioner of Drunken Fist, he absolutely follows the tenets of it- being able to attack unexpectedly from quite literally any position- including during rolls and after knockdowns!- his idle animation is infamously a moonwalk with exaggerated motions, and when stripped of the context of "Drunk" many of the moves in a few different styles of Drunked Fist end up looking like this sort of Hellraiser Cenobite nightmare motion with terrifying flexibility, which uh... listen, I think we've all had a nightmare about Voldo at one point or another.
Again, certainly not the standard archetype for it, but I think it would have been worth an honorable mention.
Pretty good timing for this video to drop and then a couple weeks later Capcom drops Jamie
Dude how am I just finding this channel? I love fighting games and Kung Fu. This is dope. (Also pronunciation on point. Good job!)
What the? This is so well made, i forgot i was watching a fighting game video.
MKX revived characters like Tremor and made them absolutely amazing, but I guess they didn’t want to get rid of Bo Rai Cho’s farting and puking. It’s kind of iconic to his character, but also makes him a joke and hated so much. Story wise he’s taken seriously, but someone in the 3D era was on something when designing his moves.
Well, what do you expect when drink too much alcohol?
Great video, I am not a nerd nor am I interested in fighting games but I watched every second.
okay, but the chinese communiat party is pretty cool
I like the fact that it actually shows up in Jade Empire as well.
I do NOT regret clicking this when it popped up on my feed. Subbed!
drunken fist: we do a lil trollin
Respect the man's tolerance for alcohol. The problem is the hangover the next day for these guys and texting something they shouldn't have the night before. Beer belly boxing.
there is a disturbing lack of asleep nayuki from efz in this video
came here after seeing Jamie's introduction in SF6
There's a boxer named Emanuel Augustus that did the closest thing I've seen to drunken kung fu. He would stumble around and act drunk in boxing matches. He won a lot of fights, and apparently should have won more. But judges often didn't like what he was doing, so he would lose based on that. Lots of clips of him kicking ass, though. Check him out. He's sick.
You missed out ol' dirty bastard in Wu tang: shoalin style
In Soul Calibur 4 and 5 Yoshimitsu has a secret meter Iron Fist Meter that allows him to randomly access Drunken Fist stance. He becomes invulnerable to any attacks even unblockables. It causes him to switch to any of his stances that have tech dodge built in. For example in drunken fist if you hit him low he will go into dragonfly or flea stance, if you try to hit him high he will go into meditation and other attacks cause him to spin and appear behind you. The only catch is if you are not attacked in the first second then you are stuck in the drunk stance and can now be hit. Basically punishes the opponent for attacking you in drunken fist.
"Man literally too drunk to lose", the fighting style
Bro do you know someone at capcom? I got recommended this the day after the SFVI trailer that revealed a new Drunken Fist character
so what your telling me, is the Lucky Chloe is a drunken master style, annoying moves, tilting the opponent, leading up to one mistake or surprise to ruin my day. IDK sounds 1 to 1 to me
I think my favorite drunken fist depiction in a game has to be Def jam Fight for NY's MA+SF+WR combo that is a direct drunken fist style.