Easily the best videos on the open close technique! Been enjoying working on the open close over the last year and love how it pops up in my playing to help out when you're not expecting it. Gordy you're a gifted teacher!
I'm retired after more than 45 years of playing. That was amazing I worked way to hard for all those years. I'm heals up guy all arm and wrist. I haven't had a lesson since about 1970. Wow that would have been nice to work on. Wonderful job.
Same concept. The Moeller technique gets a whipping motion from the shoulder and this one gets it from the wrist. By using the wrist you can play faster because you don't have to use your whole arm and you're working with smaller muscle groups. But the best bet is to learn the Moeller first so you understand the whipping motion you need for this.
I think your videos are the best. You start with simple ideas and then build upon them one step at a time. You make even MY brain understand. And that's saying something! Thanks!
That was very informative. As a drummer of over 30 years, my technique has gotten sloppy and slow. I'm going back to basics to get my passion back. Thank you for the inspiration.
RH sequence for shuffle on ride cym or hat: Hand opens on the "ah" / closes on the beat. For example - open/close = ah /1 - ah /2 - ah /3 - ah /4. When doing a double shuffle, LH on snare, RH on ride or hat, left wrist must also drop down to add a rimshot on 2 & 4. This is tricky to do and takes time to learn, but it's one of those feels you'll eventually need - especially when playing blues music.
gordy thanks, this is amazing. ive loved the "bounce\snap" or "bounce\bounce\snap" tecnique for years, but this is the next level, cant wait to work on this!.......ted
Great lesson! I especially like how you applied the hand concepts to the set afterwards, providing a context/application for the more abstract technique in a more musical setting!
Great instructive video. Stuff that I will try (with practice pad first) of course. I've seen you with Steve Miller Band more than once and I always come away more than impressed. Great groove drummer! Thank you. pl
This technique is strongest FINGER technique i saw in my life.And i saw a lot,because i am pro drummer and private instructor for 40 years.You built regular gladstone and moeller technique to a new level.DO YOU?
@forbeat100 - Thanks Paul. I studied with Marv Dahlgren, Floyd Thompson, & Elliot Fine. All of them are great teachers, but they did not show me this technique. The stuff shown here is from my own R & D work. I just finished a book which shows how it can be used to play rudiments called "Morphing Double Strokes with Open/Close Technique". Contact me at my website if you are interested, GK-Music.com, and I'll explain how to get a copy. It's not up on the site yet.
@JackFook. When this was shot I was a Promark endorser. I am now an Innovative Percussion endorser. They have made a custom signature stick for me I really like. It's rather beefy with a nice tip for cymbal sound.
Great videos, GK! I've been using what seems to be the 3 Note Stroke for a few years now. I've got a few versions of the "Single 6" on RUclips. I've also been amazed at the possibilities of patterns and grooves when combining the "separate" and "continuous" modes in unison, but offsetting the accents. In other words, starting the cycle of 3's independently between the hands.
I dig your style! Who needs toms when you have a snare like that.. is that bell brass? Also, the material in this video is a lifetimes worth of practice.. bravo man, this is the best video hand technique lesson I have probably ever seen. You should consider playing technical death metal! haha Peace and respect!
great tool. But It seems to work more for those continuos (ala tony williams) ride beats, more than for a single stroke roll. If you have extra hours to study your single roll with this technique, go for it. If not, I recommend you work only with separate hands only...and work on merging this in your funk, pop or brazilian grooves for your leading hand (gordy did it really good with the funk)...and view a dozen videos of tony williams ride beats.... great video, congratulations and thanks!
Without seeing you play it's hard to say what the problem is. While it's normal for the non dominant hand to be developmentally behind the dominant one, good mechanics in both hands is crucial for success. Watch more videos of mine at GK-Music.com, like "Fundamentals of Drum Technique". The info and the visual examples can help out a lot. Use mirror(s) to watch yourself play. This lets you to see your mechanics from another perspective. You might be able to see what your problem is for yourself.
Presentation, explanation, execution, progression...all very well done. Especially dug the opening audio / graphics and closing credit sequence. RUclips would be a much smaller place if instructional videos would have to pass an audition..with this clip being the 'pass' standard.
loving this technique you should make a blast beat vid man haha go 200 bpm then in triplet oh that would be sick and even higher tempos man would love to see that
Hey Gordy, I've been practicing this technique for a while and am just wondering if there's a particular grip that works best with it. ie. using french grip as opposed to a german grip. Great video and thanks!
Dscheibi1 Yes, watch Morphing Doubles Strokes w/ Open/Close Technique Parts 1, 4, & 5. Here are the links:ruclips.net/video/X63Jq7kxnYIh/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/YxA-xXtb_OQh/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/lzV_ftU-01o/видео.html
Hello! A comment and a question on my side. Question (for Gordy and/or drummers out there having figured this out) Is there by any chance a video on how to get the bounce without moving the wrist? (my body is not wanting to do so). If a video is not available, would you have any tips on how I could get there? I am so far focusing on the 2-note O/C stroke, but would love to get to the 3- and 4-notes strokes eventually. Comment Dear Gordy, your videos are responding, one to one, to all the questions I have had for years now. Not having an answer, not understanding the different strokes, has discouraged me a lot in the past. Now that I have watched (many of) your videos, I cannot wait to have time to sit on the practice pad and start over, from scratch. Many many thanks for your help!
Thanks Mariana! To really answer your question I need to see how you can and can't move. We should do a ZOOM lesson. I charge $100 for the first lesson, allow up to 90 minutes, and $75 per hour for follow up lessons. We should be able to answer this in one lesson. Email me and we can set one up - gordy@gk-music.com.
Unfortunately I do not have any video of the singled four played with traditional grip, BUT check out the Raul Valdes "drumset applications" video at gk-music.com. Click on "video lessons" and scroll down to the end of list. He demos traditional LH grip 2 note stroke in a backbeat application which might be helpful. Check out his "snare applications" video too, he's amazing!
This is great! My instructor has me doing the same exercises from the first half. I am curious, though... With regard to the latter half, what's the big picture? Why practice the 3s and 4s from the second half? Are you any faster/more powerful/ controlled/relaxed when you play singles like that? or is it just to gain more of a command over your hands/sticks?
Go to: GK-Music.com, click video lessons, scroll down and select Raul Valdes Pt. 2 video. Raul demos trad grip during the Backbeat Applications portion (about 1/2 way through). He's amazing, check him out.
Easily the best videos on the open close technique! Been enjoying working on the open close over the last year and love how it pops up in my playing to help out when you're not expecting it. Gordy you're a gifted teacher!
Thanks Chad!
There are lots of good teachers on youtube but this is one of the clearest vids I've seen. Like the the crystal clear breakdown.
I'm retired after more than 45 years of playing. That was amazing I worked way to hard for all those years. I'm heals up guy all arm and wrist. I haven't had a lesson since about 1970. Wow that would have been nice to work on. Wonderful job.
WoW!!
His snare groove is outstanding!!
Your control and technique is simply pleasing to watch
Same concept. The Moeller technique gets a whipping motion from the shoulder and this one gets it from the wrist. By using the wrist you can play faster because you don't have to use your whole arm and you're working with smaller muscle groups. But the best bet is to learn the Moeller first so you understand the whipping motion you need for this.
Thanks for offering your knowledge to the masses!
Wow, probably the best video I've seen on stick technique so far!
This will change my life Wow Im totally blown away. I have been searching for this for a long time. Thank you sir!
I think your videos are the best. You start with simple ideas and then build upon them one step at a time. You make even MY brain understand. And that's saying something! Thanks!
That was very informative. As a drummer of over 30 years, my technique has gotten sloppy and slow. I'm going back to basics to get my passion back. Thank you for the inspiration.
That animation just blew my mind. BLEW IT
Blowing my mind Gordy! Thanks for all these amazing videos.
love that snare. Beautiful
That snare truly sounds amazing!!
RH sequence for shuffle on ride cym or hat: Hand opens on the "ah" / closes on the beat.
For example - open/close = ah /1 - ah /2 - ah /3 - ah /4. When doing a double shuffle, LH on snare, RH on ride or hat, left wrist must also drop down to add a rimshot on 2 & 4. This is tricky to do and takes time to learn, but it's one of those feels you'll eventually need - especially when playing blues music.
gordy thanks, this is amazing. ive loved the "bounce\snap" or "bounce\bounce\snap" tecnique for years, but this is the next level, cant wait to work on this!.......ted
Great lesson! I especially like how you applied the hand concepts to the set afterwards, providing a context/application for the more abstract technique in a more musical setting!
Great instructive video. Stuff that I will try (with practice pad first) of course. I've seen you with Steve Miller Band more than once and I always come away more than impressed. Great groove drummer! Thank you. pl
Only my favorite snare drum of all times. A work of art.
This technique is strongest FINGER technique i saw in my life.And i saw a lot,because i am pro drummer and private instructor for 40 years.You built regular gladstone and moeller technique to a new level.DO YOU?
What an amazing technique! Just plain awesome.
@forbeat100 - Thanks Paul. I studied with Marv Dahlgren, Floyd Thompson, & Elliot Fine. All of them are great teachers, but they did not show me this technique. The stuff shown here is from my own R & D work. I just finished a book which shows how it can be used to play rudiments called "Morphing Double Strokes with Open/Close Technique". Contact me at my website if you are interested, GK-Music.com, and I'll explain how to get a copy. It's not up on the site yet.
@JackFook. When this was shot I was a Promark endorser. I am now an Innovative Percussion endorser. They have made a custom signature stick for me I really like. It's rather beefy with a nice tip for cymbal sound.
Wow. Incredible shuffles
Incredible. Thank you, Gordy.
wow this was something I needed to watch! so good, THANKS GORDY YOU RULE
Very impressive finished product and the instruction is very clear. Very well done.
wow, just wow! so well broken down and executed!
Excellent stuff Gordy. A very enjoyable video, impressive and useful demonstration. Cheers, Seb
Great videos, GK! I've been using what seems to be the 3 Note Stroke for a few years now. I've got a few versions of the "Single 6" on RUclips. I've also been amazed at the possibilities of patterns and grooves when combining the "separate" and "continuous" modes in unison, but offsetting the accents. In other words, starting the cycle of 3's independently between the hands.
I just had the same idea after watching this, almost ten years later. I hope those years were good to you!
your technique is amazing!
Thanks indeed its the best drums teaching in YT
a true master of your craft.
thanx Gordy
you're really good with your hands there my good sir! fantastic technique!
I dig your style! Who needs toms when you have a snare like that.. is that bell brass? Also, the material in this video is a lifetimes worth of practice.. bravo man, this is the best video hand technique lesson I have probably ever seen. You should consider playing technical death metal! haha Peace and respect!
Another brilliant lesson. Outstanding job teaching! :-)
what a very good teacher you are! Nice lesson!
Really helpful video! This technique is really good for blast beats!
great tool. But It seems to work more for those continuos (ala tony williams) ride beats, more than for a single stroke roll. If you have extra hours to study your single roll with this technique, go for it. If not, I recommend you work only with separate hands only...and work on merging this in your funk, pop or brazilian grooves for your leading hand (gordy did it really good with the funk)...and view a dozen videos of tony williams ride beats.... great video, congratulations and thanks!
Without seeing you play it's hard to say what the problem is. While it's normal for the non dominant hand to be developmentally behind the dominant one, good mechanics in both hands is crucial for success. Watch more videos of mine at GK-Music.com, like "Fundamentals of Drum Technique". The info and the visual examples can help out a lot. Use mirror(s) to watch yourself play. This lets you to see your mechanics from another perspective. You might be able to see what your problem is for yourself.
Great playing!
Thanks, we used only a shotgun mic about placed 8 feet away. The room we were in was fairly live, which added ambience to the sound.
hey man you're great! thanx a lot! very good groove on the drumset by the way, and the end is totally amazing :D :D
Fantastic demonstration, very practical, thanks for sharing.
Wow great lesson thank you, very inspiring, beautiful snare too.
Brilliant technique,amazing)
Presentation, explanation, execution, progression...all very well done.
Especially dug the opening audio / graphics and closing credit sequence.
RUclips would be a much smaller place if instructional videos would have to pass an audition..with this clip being the 'pass' standard.
Really impressing!
Amazing.
I love the ending!!!!
Impressive technical display - thanks for sharing
muito, gostei! vou estudar. estou a tempos procurando por um tutorial explicativo como o seu. obrigado.
@TheSaneMe. It's a custom Real Feel made about 12 years ago.
A very useful video. Great examples and explanations. Thanks!
Outstanding work!
Perfect...!!!! Many many thanks...!!!
That just rocked my world.
Agreed! It´s very inspiring and seems to be easy but, man, we have to work a lot to get this... Thank you very much!
very interesting and useful!
Gordy is awesome! I was lucky to go to Music tech (thats the old name of the school) and study with him.
love the endings
oh my God
this is so perfect
great technique and great vid - many thanks!
Excellent educational material.
thank you a lot, i appreciate it and learn a lot from them
Beautiful practice
i love the intro
this was very helpful! thank you.
Seriously awesome video
Fantastic!
A Paiste /Jeff Ocheltree Snare made from Paiste Cymbal metal.
You play awesome!
Insane hand technique... wow.
excellent, love it!! thank you ! my best !!
Many thanks!!
Thank you for this lesson! :)
awesome!!! tnx
hola muy buena esa técnica, pero tengo una pregunta, al involucrar las muñecas con los dedos perdemos velocidad?
Excellent lesson, thanks very much
loving this technique you should make a blast beat vid man haha go 200 bpm then in triplet oh that would be sick and even higher tempos man would love to see that
Do you have any videos showing open/close technique with traditional grip?
Check out this video @ 1:00 - ruclips.net/video/iGahEd_zaf8/видео.html.
Thanks Gordy! I've played traditional grip for 40 years and still learn new ways of proper technique and angles of the drumset.
This man does more than anyone with 2 drums!
Hey Gordy, I've been practicing this technique for a while and am just wondering if there's a particular grip that works best with it. ie. using french grip as opposed to a german grip. Great video and thanks!
Gordy this rules!!!
Hey! First of all a really nice way to get fast on the drumset. But isnt it possible to play double stroke rolls with the open close t.?
Dscheibi1 Yes, watch Morphing Doubles Strokes w/ Open/Close Technique Parts 1, 4, & 5. Here are the links:ruclips.net/video/X63Jq7kxnYIh/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/YxA-xXtb_OQh/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/lzV_ftU-01o/видео.html
A Paiste Jeff Ocheltree Snare
You are a machine... Wow.
I want to get that fast so I can blow up too!!! Great lesson !
Awesome video thank you!
The animation was obvioisly made by a drummer :)
Very helpful video.
Hello! A comment and a question on my side.
Question (for Gordy and/or drummers out there having figured this out)
Is there by any chance a video on how to get the bounce without moving the wrist? (my body is not wanting to do so). If a video is not available, would you have any tips on how I could get there? I am so far focusing on the 2-note O/C stroke, but would love to get to the 3- and 4-notes strokes eventually.
Comment
Dear Gordy, your videos are responding, one to one, to all the questions I have had for years now. Not having an answer, not understanding the different strokes, has discouraged me a lot in the past. Now that I have watched (many of) your videos, I cannot wait to have time to sit on the practice pad and start over, from scratch.
Many many thanks for your help!
Thanks Mariana! To really answer your question I need to see how you can and can't move. We should do a ZOOM lesson. I charge $100 for the first lesson, allow up to 90 minutes, and $75 per hour for follow up lessons. We should be able to answer this in one lesson. Email me and we can set one up - gordy@gk-music.com.
Unfortunately I do not have any video of the singled four played with traditional grip, BUT check out the Raul Valdes "drumset applications" video at gk-music.com. Click on "video lessons" and scroll down to the end of list. He demos traditional LH grip 2 note stroke in a backbeat application which might be helpful. Check out his "snare applications" video too, he's amazing!
i am going to use this vid allot , thanks!
man this is freaking me out
Open/close......stroke must finish in position of control.
Hi Gordy, thanks a lot for the videos. Very nice and detailed :)
I'm curious do you apply the same principal for your feet ? in a heel/toe technique ?
You are welcome. Yes, you can apply the same concept to the feet.
Brilliant.
This is great! My instructor has me doing the same exercises from the first half. I am curious, though... With regard to the latter half, what's the big picture? Why practice the 3s and 4s from the second half? Are you any faster/more powerful/ controlled/relaxed when you play singles like that? or is it just to gain more of a command over your hands/sticks?
bah! now i have to learn this! gonna take a while :P
Gordy,
How can I play this technique with my left hand using traditional grip?
Go to: GK-Music.com, click video lessons, scroll down and select Raul Valdes Pt. 2 video. Raul demos trad grip during the Backbeat Applications portion (about 1/2 way through). He's amazing, check him out.
Gordy Knudtson Thank you, Gordy!