Honestly, Rock Bottom makes the most sense to me as a Q3 imo Q3s are generally items that are almost always good to have, but need extra support to be hard carry items, while Q4 items are generally items that on their own result in your run becoming much better almost instantly Rock Bottom falls cleanly on the higher end of Q3 or the low end of Q4 tbh, it's a carry item if you get good stats for it or temp stat up items like Star of Bethlehem, but generally doesn't help as much if you get it later in a run It's not a power spike like most Q4 items are, basically
@@Alsry1 y e a h those two are the reason I included "generally" in that statement lol Void can be low end Q4 bc of the ability to combine actives, but Abyss sucks
@@Alsry1 void and abyss are actually good on their own. They make useless q0-2 into something useful. Void, for example, can give you an amazing stat boost that you will only get if you're lucky with q3-4. Abyss on the other hand can give you a dps up in early game or even late game if you don't find d6, dInfinity or spindown. The fact that there are some really amazing and overpowered q4 doesn't make abyss and void lesser quality. BUT I'd give some q4 a q5 quality
Rock bottom doesn't do anything without either temporary stats or stat manipulation. Those who take the best advantage of that are all q4. Items like mega mash, proptosis, ipecac, polyphemus and magic crown. All are amazing in their own right and become amazing with rock bottom Some items fit that description in q3 are great with rock bottom and fine but not game breaking on their own. Like Star of Bethlehem and death touch The items in lower quality that do it are terrible without rock bottom and the likelihood you'd take them prior to it is low. Like experimental treatment, soy milk or libra So while rock bottom can be amazing with the right items. If you don't get those items it is really underwhelming. And if you remove q4 items you take a lot of the rock bottom viability I'd say that because of rock bottom needing other great items to be great. And not being good enough on its own right. Is enough for it to not fit q4
Honestly, I know I may seem new here, but I've been watching your videos for a bit, and you've inspired me to re-get Isaac after a long time, so I've got to thank you. Thank you for reinspiring myself to play Isaac again. I really appreciate it!
You should try d100 in a run at some point. Not so much as a challenge run, but in the same way tmtrainer gets to be the "what could stop me at this point" item, if it shows up, run it for a bit. Gives variety that only items you would never pick up otherwise can give.
How about doing a glorified pica run? You start with BFF, hive mind and mom's box but you change the rules so every item turns into a golden trinket that you automatically swallow when you pick them up.
Hey. How do i donate coins really fast to donate machine. like. it takes me 2 seconds to put next coin in the machine. and other people is putting 1-3 coins each 0.5 second
glitch crown is bugged anyways with the rule mod, when it tries to put a quality 0, 1, 2 or 4, in this case it will immediately replace it with a random q3 item and makes the item pool infinite...
So I am pretty sure you took Birthright, and that spirit of the night spawned, but maybe I'm dumb and transformation items are unaffected by birthright.
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yes i changed the title
also, let me know if you're enjoying these slightly shorter but faster paced/higher effort videos!!
Dude please get some sleep
Why no sleep.
New challange: Do only 1 quality item only
Maybe it slow it down ah little? I love watching your thought process throughout the video.
i do like them a lot but
try to sleep ma dude
Honestly, Rock Bottom makes the most sense to me as a Q3 imo
Q3s are generally items that are almost always good to have, but need extra support to be hard carry items, while Q4 items are generally items that on their own result in your run becoming much better almost instantly
Rock Bottom falls cleanly on the higher end of Q3 or the low end of Q4 tbh, it's a carry item if you get good stats for it or temp stat up items like Star of Bethlehem, but generally doesn't help as much if you get it later in a run
It's not a power spike like most Q4 items are, basically
Void and abyss:
@@Alsry1 y e a h those two are the reason I included "generally" in that statement lol
Void can be low end Q4 bc of the ability to combine actives, but Abyss sucks
@@Alsry1 void and abyss are actually good on their own. They make useless q0-2 into something useful. Void, for example, can give you an amazing stat boost that you will only get if you're lucky with q3-4. Abyss on the other hand can give you a dps up in early game or even late game if you don't find d6, dInfinity or spindown.
The fact that there are some really amazing and overpowered q4 doesn't make abyss and void lesser quality. BUT I'd give some q4 a q5 quality
Rock bottom doesn't do anything without either temporary stats or stat manipulation. Those who take the best advantage of that are all q4. Items like mega mash, proptosis, ipecac, polyphemus and magic crown. All are amazing in their own right and become amazing with rock bottom
Some items fit that description in q3 are great with rock bottom and fine but not game breaking on their own. Like Star of Bethlehem and death touch
The items in lower quality that do it are terrible without rock bottom and the likelihood you'd take them prior to it is low. Like experimental treatment, soy milk or libra
So while rock bottom can be amazing with the right items. If you don't get those items it is really underwhelming. And if you remove q4 items you take a lot of the rock bottom viability
I'd say that because of rock bottom needing other great items to be great. And not being good enough on its own right. Is enough for it to not fit q4
Yea but when that one q3 item in question is more sought after then most q4 items that’s a different story
i feel like someone just watched a Sinvicta video :D
Wdym
@@insane7rebel524 sinvicta did something like this with
Only ql 4
No ql 4
And ql 1and 2 to
And only ql 0 intens to beat the game.
LOL
Look at the tags
@@thetideturner2187 LOL x2
8:59 "You can't normally get it without spindowns"
Eden's Birthright: am I a joke to you?
I'd like to see you do a "quality x" only run, but not with the filters. It's up to you to reroll and get enough items to be able to win
Honestly, I know I may seem new here, but I've been watching your videos for a bit, and you've inspired me to re-get Isaac after a long time, so I've got to thank you. Thank you for reinspiring myself to play Isaac again. I really appreciate it!
Leaving dead eye behind like that made me want to cry.
being unlucky yet lucky at the same time in a nutshell:
1:01 "I don't feel like crying anymore"
**loses the ability to attack**
*"wwait NO!"*
6:48 the comedy gold of getting knockout drops mid explanation
Perfect channel to listen to while falling asleep
Ah yes.
The universe where there is only one crying rock to rule them all.
You should try d100 in a run at some point. Not so much as a challenge run, but in the same way tmtrainer gets to be the "what could stop me at this point" item, if it shows up, run it for a bit. Gives variety that only items you would never pick up otherwise can give.
you can repeat the seed to get a funny run of issac (you can get crikets head, poly, sacred heart, R key and brim XD)
How about doing a glorified pica run? You start with BFF, hive mind and mom's box but you change the rules so every item turns into a golden trinket that you automatically swallow when you pick them up.
Just in time to help me relax before bad, thanks cas!
Randow question, I need the dlc repentance to play local multiplayer on the same pc?
now it's time for a quality 1 run
I like how the star dipped during mega satan fight
what about only 0,1 and 2 qualities, but every found pedestal will spawn 2 additional items?
Fun to know lavencas also watches sinvicta. That'd be a fun partner episode
I don’t actually watch any isaac content on youtube… I just saw his thumbnail for the q4 items thing and decided to do something similar
Oh. Shameless content grab! At least you gave credit though. Good vid.
my fav isaac ytber
finally you have a normal run without youtuber luck
how do you get to mega satan if angel key was been placed and you use forget me now?
Damn thats a boss melt set up
I’m stupid so I need clarification. What is the mod that has the glass dice machines?
epiphany
I'm already looking forward to Q1 and Q0 items only
Hey often when your chose between two items theres music from super metroid whats the musics name agin
ngl i forgot he had ed6 up until when he failed the ultra secret room reroll
Really hope you do this for all the rarities!
oh my god finally ive been waiting all night
4:44 item i want is rock bottom is now
"all quality 3 items" (all items based on luck)
Gets rid of all q4
Becomes a flamethrower
4:07 so smart
who had the feeling that when you first watched the video you thought it was just edited
How is everything jar a q3 item?????
Ah, the title. Aka most of my runs
3am again, and I’m up at 3am to see it lol 🥱
Hey. How do i donate coins really fast to donate machine. like. it takes me 2 seconds to put next coin in the machine. and other people is putting 1-3 coins each 0.5 second
I think fastmachines mod
Something like that, but it's a mod
Q3's are still too ez. Hardly fair to call that a "challenge." Q2 run! :D
Gone. reduced to atoms. I used the 4's to destroy the 4's.
NOO GLICH CROWN MY BELOVED
glitch crown is bugged anyways with the rule mod, when it tries to put a quality 0, 1, 2 or 4, in this case it will immediately replace it with a random q3 item and makes the item pool infinite...
I didnt know my average run was a challenge lmao
you wassup been watcing you for the last half a year amazing content
There are about 29 quality 3 active items (at least from what I can count)
Quality 3 is the new Quality 4 💅
Only stats up items, but you start with libra?)
Now try Q2 challenge (My average run in this game)
Curse of the lavencas
Hurray!!!🎉
wait wasn't ghost pepper a Q4 now?
Ghost pepper got switched back to q3
lavencas can you make a tutorial to make this mod pls?
So I am pretty sure you took Birthright, and that spirit of the night spawned, but maybe I'm dumb and transformation items are unaffected by birthright.
i love this
how not to sleep all night
Isn't ghost pepper quality 4?
now do it with q2 items only, i feel that's a more real challenge
All the way to Q0. This is when the real game begins
Day 6 gotta keep it consistent until red key is put in the spot light
8:29 song?
What about quality 0 run?:D
Maybe with Damocles?
Tbh i prefer the longer vids, the shorter faster videos dont feel satisfying. You should just do fiend folio instead of challenges. Great vids overall
Starway its not q4????
Budget lost contact run haha
Continuum is only quality 2? That’s criminal
q4 -> q3 -> q2 -> q1 -> q0
Rock Bottom Moment
now you gotta do all Q-0
Q3 items >>>>> Q4 items
Are the q4 really the Best ítems? This game was absurdably BROKEN with Quality 3
Why are some of your item qualities funky? Ghost pepper is supposed to be Q4 now, and I've seen other items of yours with old quality values as well
Ghost pepper got switched back to quality 3.
Day 268 of keeping up the Hype Train.
I enjoy your daily uploads.
Maplestory is down..sadge.
3am again
3:18 why i hear baby crying?
4:10 whose face?
i eated all the q4s, sorry
No items?(
no cheat vid soon?
Asi que subiendo videos a las 3 de la mañana xd
Day 187: of asking for the Monty Python intermission theme
amongus
Now do quality 2s
lol still get flight item
q0 only run could be funny
tragic
So early I love if
:)
Hi lav i love you
I'm so tired...
hi
Hi
what
Tbh I don’t like tmt trainer
D:
fourth
lavencas will you marry me
how annoying you are with the qualities of the items
first time being so early hope you my like my comment hehe
Neptunus hard carried tbh
Ok, 1 year of isaac for me became boring, i think i'll search some modded isaac content as fiend folio ecc