@@KeeperCain116 it was a blast and thank you for coming down! I had overexposed the interview part a bit in the camera so I had to do some post-production to bring it down but overall it was an awesome time hanging out and talking with you!
Cain is a great guy, this was a nice relaxed conversation style go this time,, well done guys ! Good to see Cain bopping around all the different groups too !
As somebody who is looking to start breeding and really getting into the ball python game this year, I loved this video. Definitely intimidating but cant wait to get going!
@ awesome of you guys to respond to your comments as well! Truly appreciate it, I think the hardest thing to figure out is just where to start with all the morphs and combinations and such
@ if you send us a message on IG, I can give you my number and we can call and talk about it as that topic might be a bit too big to cover in a comment
@@jonstewart7474 it's an awesome hobby that is very rewarding and I would definitely recommend anybody to join in on, it can be a little overwhelming at first but once you get your mind wrapped around everything with a little bit of time and research it makes it that much better that it has so much depth!!
@@batcaveperformance Atlanta is a pretty cool city normally! Courtney and I are going out for a fancy Valentines Day dinner on Friday night and then you also get the whole weekend to check out the show!
We got in during 2020 and which was right when prices were super inflated and have done well. People who get in now when prices are much more reasonable are in a much better position in my opinion. Regardless, if people primarily want to breed to make money, there are way better ways to make money, but it is very possible to get the breeding hobby to pay for itself which is certainly not true for the other hobbies I have (videography, Pokemon card collecting, book collecting, and mtg).
how do you justify having that many snakes in such little an dark tubs there entire life instead of a more focused scale with enclosures definitely disturbing watching breeding like yourself just aiming to mass produce
Ball pythons can be a bit finicky eaters and tub style enclosures tend to get them to have a stronger feeding response due to the dark sides making them feel like they are hidden and not exposed to potential predators. In addition, tubs have better control over the temperature and humidity and are significantly easier to clean. We also use display style vivs for the animals that are going to pet homes in order to make it an easier transition for pet keepers, but the tub style enclosures generally are better to use for new hatchlings as they will get the new hatchling eating faster which is critical since hatchling can easily starve themselves to death if you don’t get them established fast enough or for breeding animals which tend to go off food during the breeding season. There tends to be a sensationalized debate between tubs and vivs online, but we believe both styles excel at different things. In general, for breeders it doesn’t make much sense to keep ball pythons in an enclosure style that increases the chances that a ball python won’t eat, and for a pet keeper it doesn’t make sense to keep a ball python in a tub where you can’t see them.
Hate to say it but that's 95% of breeders even the ones u look up to amd admire. I spent yrs saying what u r. Then my collection just grew. Now, I'm over it and I'm headed back to being a keeper. Making great snakes is ez, running a business is NOT
Considering ball pythons live up to 50 years and there are almost 4,000 of them on morph market right now i can see the market crashing very soon. It is completely saturated in my opinion. But good luck to you.
Compared to the amount of households that own a reptile in the U.S. (a bit more than 6 million according to the American Pet Products Association) if just 1% of current reptile owners bought an additional ball python, MM would be sold out and that is assuming no new reptile keepers enter the hobby. Personally, I think the availability number on MM is used to make it seem like there is an over production but a bit of context puts it into perspective.
This! I work with the public, and have a reptile "mascot" in my office and I've noticed more and more people are interested in reptiles as pets, much more so than in years past. The stigma of owning a snake is fading which will open the doors for more and more new reptile keepers to join the hobby and therefore increase demand.
Thank you so much for having us we had a blast and really enjoyed the opportunity to talk snakes with both of you!
@@KeeperCain116 it was a blast and thank you for coming down! I had overexposed the interview part a bit in the camera so I had to do some post-production to bring it down but overall it was an awesome time hanging out and talking with you!
Great video
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@@jamesperry459 you are the man! We appreciate you!
Cain is a great guy, this was a nice relaxed conversation style go this time,, well done guys ! Good to see Cain bopping around all the different groups too !
@@morphforge Thank you fam! 🙏🖤
Awesome video
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Thank you so much!!
As somebody who is looking to start breeding and really getting into the ball python game this year, I loved this video. Definitely intimidating but cant wait to get going!
@@jonstewart7474 it is an amazing hobby! Definitely let us know if you ever have any questions!
@ awesome of you guys to respond to your comments as well! Truly appreciate it, I think the hardest thing to figure out is just where to start with all the morphs and combinations and such
@ if you send us a message on IG, I can give you my number and we can call and talk about it as that topic might be a bit too big to cover in a comment
@@jonstewart7474 it's an awesome hobby that is very rewarding and I would definitely recommend anybody to join in on, it can be a little overwhelming at first but once you get your mind wrapped around everything with a little bit of time and research it makes it that much better that it has so much depth!!
That’s my dude!!! KeeperCain is one of the best!!!
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@@btsradicalboasandpythons Cain is awesome!
Thanks for sharing, and see you there SOUTH EAST EXPO
@@fredenglish9431 🖤
We can’t wait! SERE is gonna be amazing!
Nice job
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Thank you friends!!
As always great land informative video and great interview
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@@patrickalilbitofeverything5181 you are the man Patrick!
Boom 💥
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Very informative! Literally have the same story so far. Havnt even hatched the first clutch yet😅
@@GadsdensFamilyReptiles thank you for watching! Cain crushed it!
Glad you enjoyed it!!
I like KeeperCain’s advice about don’t jump in too fast, but I could have used that about a year ago…
@@batcaveperformance 95% of us learn the hard way 😅🖤
Did you eat at the frog place?
@@SmallTownXotics we tried but they didn’t have any open reservations. You have to come down sometime soon so we can all go there again!
@ for sure!!
No but the place they took us had some of the best salmon I've ever eat!!
Do you have any advice on how to talk my wife into believing that a trip to Atlanta for a show on Valentines weekend is “romantic”????
@@batcaveperformance Atlanta is a pretty cool city normally! Courtney and I are going out for a fancy Valentines Day dinner on Friday night and then you also get the whole weekend to check out the show!
Step 1: DONT.
It has worked out pretty well for us, but there definitely are a lot of people who didn’t get what they wanted when they tried to start a business
How to start in 25? Dont. Market needs 0 more breeders too many animals as it is
We got in during 2020 and which was right when prices were super inflated and have done well. People who get in now when prices are much more reasonable are in a much better position in my opinion. Regardless, if people primarily want to breed to make money, there are way better ways to make money, but it is very possible to get the breeding hobby to pay for itself which is certainly not true for the other hobbies I have (videography, Pokemon card collecting, book collecting, and mtg).
how do you justify having that many snakes in such little an dark tubs there entire life instead of a more focused scale with enclosures definitely disturbing watching breeding like yourself just aiming to mass produce
Ball pythons can be a bit finicky eaters and tub style enclosures tend to get them to have a stronger feeding response due to the dark sides making them feel like they are hidden and not exposed to potential predators. In addition, tubs have better control over the temperature and humidity and are significantly easier to clean.
We also use display style vivs for the animals that are going to pet homes in order to make it an easier transition for pet keepers, but the tub style enclosures generally are better to use for new hatchlings as they will get the new hatchling eating faster which is critical since hatchling can easily starve themselves to death if you don’t get them established fast enough or for breeding animals which tend to go off food during the breeding season.
There tends to be a sensationalized debate between tubs and vivs online, but we believe both styles excel at different things. In general, for breeders it doesn’t make much sense to keep ball pythons in an enclosure style that increases the chances that a ball python won’t eat, and for a pet keeper it doesn’t make sense to keep a ball python in a tub where you can’t see them.
Agree, don't let anyone tell you different.
Hate to say it but that's 95% of breeders even the ones u look up to amd admire. I spent yrs saying what u r. Then my collection just grew. Now, I'm over it and I'm headed back to being a keeper. Making great snakes is ez, running a business is NOT
Considering ball pythons live up to 50 years and there are almost 4,000 of them on morph market right now i can see the market crashing very soon. It is completely saturated in my opinion.
But good luck to you.
Compared to the amount of households that own a reptile in the U.S. (a bit more than 6 million according to the American Pet Products Association) if just 1% of current reptile owners bought an additional ball python, MM would be sold out and that is assuming no new reptile keepers enter the hobby. Personally, I think the availability number on MM is used to make it seem like there is an over production but a bit of context puts it into perspective.
This! I work with the public, and have a reptile "mascot" in my office and I've noticed more and more people are interested in reptiles as pets, much more so than in years past. The stigma of owning a snake is fading which will open the doors for more and more new reptile keepers to join the hobby and therefore increase demand.