@@halliktom1 meta magic adept gives the player 2 sorcery points and you get 2 meta magic options of your choice from the sorcerer class. The "wizard" can just lie and say he gets sorcery points from meta magic adept
While this is a possibility, the fact is Careful Spell still applies half damage as it only makes it a successful save, unlike Scuplt Spell for the Evocation Wizard, which is no damage on top of Successful save
@@JessicaTheEmSorry. I meant it wouldn't make the spell do no damage. you can use metamagic to make a chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving throw against the spell.but even on a succsess firabal does damage.
Unless the rogue secretly wasn't a rogue, or is too low of a level in rogue to have evasion. Considering how the rogue was shocked at not taking half damage despite 'having' evasion and the wizard saying that he set up a careful spell, then he shouldn't be surprised unless he doesn't have Evasion yet, or he's bluffing about being a Rogue. This especially applies if he's a high dex one, like Rogues commonly are. It prob wouldn't be hard to pass the saving throw anyways if he has high dex like I assume.
Plot twist. He's actually a sorcerer, but he thinks he's a wizard. That's why he messes things up, but the magic still works. He's not lying, he's just unaware.
I did this as a character once. His "spellbook" was a book of spell scrolls given to him by his mentor. No matter what anyone tried to do to convince him that he was a Sorcerer, not a Wizard, he just assumed they were confused because *he* had a Spellbook. And everyone knows only Wizards use spellbooks.
@@cub_q you can't "lie" unintentionally. In order to lie you have to know that you aren't telling the truth. Thinking they are a wizard in this case and presenting themselves as such means that they are just wrong and not lying.
@thetrueshadowking because upon slaying a red dragon he used it's blood to make a similacrum of it and forgot to wash his hands causing his blood and the dragons blood to mix in a way most un-fitting of a wizard. Or it's because red dragons are the most iconic of the dragons in dnd
The warlock/Rogue should have evasion, no? A previous video established that he only had a couple levels in warlock and if the party is high enough for 9th level spells then I would think he would have evasion. I think the "Wizard" just gaslit him.
@bastionsea2829 No, I think the wizard said he used a sorcery point so that he automatically succeeded. He could have meant failure, though, I suppose.
@bastionsea2829 from 5ewiki Careful Spell. When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell's full force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a number of those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving throw against the spell.
when someone is so insistent in proving you are wrong you either go all in to make a point. or you are going to have them as a problem for a very long time.
@@erikkesler1739 from what i remember peoples saying They are low level (i think level 5?) and he is a multiclass warlock rogue. So they can't have evasion. Tho yes, if they where it would also work.
@@croissant2434good thing then that the creator has said they are all 9th level. Making Nin-Rogue/Warlock be lv 7/2. Unfortunately he said it under another comment.
I'm willing to bet hat is the joke, though isn't it possible he doesn't have that yet? He is multiclassed with warlock. And I don't know 5th edition well, but in 3.5 rogues got evasion, but it wasn't till a later level, so his rogue level could be low enough to not have it.
@@zogar8526 it was mentioned previously that Edge Lord has 2 levels in warlock. Wizard was asking questions about level 9 spells, which presumably means that they are going to get them in a couple of levels max. Wizards get 9th level spells on character level 17, and CR for Adult Red Dragon is 17 as well. Since they are having active preparation for the boss fight, it means that they are almost ready power-wise. I would assume, level 13 - 15, if not higher. If they are all level 13+, Edge Lord will have 2 levels in warlock and 11+ in rogue. Evasion in 5e is level 7 feature, so yes, he should have evasion
@stasluzgin3212 I thought I'd caught them all, but I missed it saying there are only 2 levels in warlock. Considering they normally call him "warlock", I just assumed that was his highest level class. But with only 2 levels, yeah, definitely has enough rogue levels for evasion.
@@Cinderblocksally I interpreted it like he was actively thinking of which one to choose. I described some of the other factors in my other comment, but the main argument is the fact that they are actively preparing for a fight with CR 17+ bbeg. If they are severely underleveled, just preparation and information about dragons won't help. They need to gain experience, but they are not doing other quests, just dragon research. That's why I assumed that they are higher level
Okay, I know you're doing this on purpose, but if the rogue warlock is at least 7 levels in rogue they have "evasion" and won't take damage from fireball on a successful save.
8th level total for the party, must be. The rogue has 2 levels in warlock and gets evasion at 7th in rogue meaning he is 6th or lower in rogue however the wizard casts fireball a whole lot implying that they have several spell slots at third or higher meaning just getting to 5th isn’t an option, and they are going to fight an adult dragon which implies they have some level of power which leads me to believe they are on the higher end of the 6th to 8th range and thus they are 8th level
My 3.5 Kobold is a Sorcerer/Wizard multiclass with the Prestige Class Ultimate Magus. He’d definitely pull this kind of shenanigans when people get pedantic about magic when the source literally doesn’t matter when you’re casting the same spells.
So, canonically, the dipstix (name of the party) are between 5th and 6th levels and are going up against a dragon. That would mean the Edgelord wouldn't have Evasion yet... Which means the Wizard IS a Wizard -- One with Metamagic Adept and the training of the School of Evocation.
I had a few players in the past 45 years who tended to tell others how to play their character. Unfortunately it never ended in such a nice in-game situation.
He's actually an infernal Warlock, and he was lying about you taking no damage. However his charisma is high enough to persuade you that you are only _imagining_ your flesh burning.
Two types of dnd players. One: **never uses the potion of maximum power Because** "there might be a bigger baddie" Two: **chugs the damn potion to prove a small point to a fellow player**
The Warlock casts Darkness on the Wizard's spellcasting focus, then moves to within 10ft of the Wizard. Now the wizard can't cast any spells that require him to see the target, and the darkness follows him unless he drops his focus (meaning he can't cast any spells with material components). The Warlock has Devil Sight. The Warlock casts Eldritch Blast until the wizard dies, saving his spell slots to Counterspell any attempts by the wizard to dispell the darkness.
Aren't they a rogue? If they're high enough level succeeding on a dex save would make them take 0 damage due to evasion. Does this fireball really prove anything? I'm not sure what level they are, though, so take my words with a grain of salt
Well without spoiling the fun, if no mistakes where made, i can confidently say that, after some research, i know if the wizard is actually a wizard or not
I feel like theyd both benefit from an actual conversation around this rather than wizard demanding trust. It's hurtful not to be trusted, sure. But demanding trust when there is none only fuels resentment wnd further distrust.
The "wizard" totally has "meta magic adept feat"
That wouldn't work on fireball tho
Or the wizard has multiclassed
@@halliktom1 meta magic adept gives the player 2 sorcery points and you get 2 meta magic options of your choice from the sorcerer class. The "wizard" can just lie and say he gets sorcery points from meta magic adept
While this is a possibility, the fact is Careful Spell still applies half damage as it only makes it a successful save, unlike Scuplt Spell for the Evocation Wizard, which is no damage on top of Successful save
@@JessicaTheEmSorry. I meant it wouldn't make the spell do no damage. you can use metamagic to make a chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving throw against the spell.but even on a succsess firabal does damage.
The thick plottens
Umm actually it's "the plot thickens"
@@dazzlemasseur umm actually they meant to do that
The thick are plotting
@@CreativityNull Trying to avoid getting clapped as usual.
@@CreativityNullif they're plotting to get thicc I approve.
HE IS A SORCERER THE ROGUE HAS EVASION SO WHEN THE SPELL WAS CAREFULLED HE TOOK NO DAMAGE
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that
That's a double bluff ! No ! A triple Bluff !
Unless the rogue secretly wasn't a rogue, or is too low of a level in rogue to have evasion. Considering how the rogue was shocked at not taking half damage despite 'having' evasion and the wizard saying that he set up a careful spell, then he shouldn't be surprised unless he doesn't have Evasion yet, or he's bluffing about being a Rogue.
This especially applies if he's a high dex one, like Rogues commonly are. It prob wouldn't be hard to pass the saving throw anyways if he has high dex like I assume.
He's a rogue/warlock multiclass so he doesn't have evasion.
@@hirolivingstonstanbery3545so you know for a fact he's low level? He only took two levels in warlock.
Betcha the hat lets him use that ability once a day and he's actually a bard.
Actor bard, acts like a wizard for his magic to work (?)
Said it before and I'll say it again: Bard with cool hat.
@@rikospostmodernlife He's just a lore bard.
Plot twist. He's actually a sorcerer, but he thinks he's a wizard. That's why he messes things up, but the magic still works. He's not lying, he's just unaware.
He would be lying unintentionally
I did this as a character once. His "spellbook" was a book of spell scrolls given to him by his mentor. No matter what anyone tried to do to convince him that he was a Sorcerer, not a Wizard, he just assumed they were confused because *he* had a Spellbook. And everyone knows only Wizards use spellbooks.
@@cub_q you can't "lie" unintentionally.
In order to lie you have to know that you aren't telling the truth.
Thinking they are a wizard in this case and presenting themselves as such means that they are just wrong and not lying.
@@edwardhealey591 Agreed. What they were arguing was “unintentional lying” was just “being wrong”.
That sounds like a very fun character to play. You're a dude, playing a dude who thinks he is a different dude.
Damn, Evoker coming in hot and ready to shake down
"did he use a potion of maximum power to prove the point ?"
BADAS WISARD. like half of omni man
What makes this even better is he could still be lying because at level 9 (rogue 7 warlock 2) the rogue would have evasion
Little do they know, he is ALSO a sorcerer, red dragon to be specific
Why red. Gold and bronze dragons are also fire element dragons.
@thetrueshadowking because upon slaying a red dragon he used it's blood to make a similacrum of it and forgot to wash his hands causing his blood and the dragons blood to mix in a way most un-fitting of a wizard.
Or it's because red dragons are the most iconic of the dragons in dnd
He could be pure sorcerer assuming they are above or ay level level 9. Evasion exists (the rogue has 2 levels of warlock)
He could just be pure sorcerer and the rogue has evasion
I just love this story
The warlock/Rogue should have evasion, no? A previous video established that he only had a couple levels in warlock and if the party is high enough for 9th level spells then I would think he would have evasion. I think the "Wizard" just gaslit him.
If they have 7 levels in rogue, they have evasion.
Evasion halves the damage of a failed throw,he automatically failed the throw, but took no damage
@bastionsea2829 No, I think the wizard said he used a sorcery point so that he automatically succeeded. He could have meant failure, though, I suppose.
@@loscreed Edgelord automatically failed by not trying to dodge. Given that he was surprised,he didn't even try
@bastionsea2829 from 5ewiki
Careful Spell. When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell's full force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a number of those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving throw against the spell.
Oh shit we getting good
He's just in a silly mood
I thought the twist was going to be that edge lord didn't take half damage because of evasion.
Sounds like a typical night at my table
when someone is so insistent in proving you are wrong
you either go all in to make a point.
or you are going to have them as a problem for a very long time.
He didn't prove his point the rogue likely has evasion
@@erikkesler1739 from what i remember peoples saying
They are low level (i think level 5?) and he is a multiclass warlock rogue.
So they can't have evasion.
Tho yes, if they where it would also work.
@@croissant2434good thing then that the creator has said they are all 9th level. Making Nin-Rogue/Warlock be lv 7/2.
Unfortunately he said it under another comment.
@@croissant2434Kleut69's comment.
@@dustgraystone9448 i stand corrected then
I didn't saw that comment, so thanks for letting le know.
Bro forgot he was a Rogue. (Evasion makes it so you avoid all damage on a successful save)
I'm willing to bet hat is the joke, though isn't it possible he doesn't have that yet? He is multiclassed with warlock. And I don't know 5th edition well, but in 3.5 rogues got evasion, but it wasn't till a later level, so his rogue level could be low enough to not have it.
@@zogar8526 it was mentioned previously that Edge Lord has 2 levels in warlock. Wizard was asking questions about level 9 spells, which presumably means that they are going to get them in a couple of levels max. Wizards get 9th level spells on character level 17, and CR for Adult Red Dragon is 17 as well. Since they are having active preparation for the boss fight, it means that they are almost ready power-wise. I would assume, level 13 - 15, if not higher.
If they are all level 13+, Edge Lord will have 2 levels in warlock and 11+ in rogue. Evasion in 5e is level 7 feature, so yes, he should have evasion
@stasluzgin3212 I thought I'd caught them all, but I missed it saying there are only 2 levels in warlock. Considering they normally call him "warlock", I just assumed that was his highest level class. But with only 2 levels, yeah, definitely has enough rogue levels for evasion.
@@stasluzgin3212 is daydreaming about 9th level spells an indicator that you are close to getting them?
@@Cinderblocksally I interpreted it like he was actively thinking of which one to choose.
I described some of the other factors in my other comment, but the main argument is the fact that they are actively preparing for a fight with CR 17+ bbeg. If they are severely underleveled, just preparation and information about dragons won't help. They need to gain experience, but they are not doing other quests, just dragon research. That's why I assumed that they are higher level
Loving the series bro
Tiefling warlock eating that fireball for breakfast
A wizard with Metamagic Adept just to mess with him lol😊
I love a Wizard saying "I cast mage armor" like he's cocking a shotgun.
Plot twist, he’s a fiendish warlock and knew the rogue had evasion and 50/50d him taking damage or ‘proving’ he’s an evocation wizard
All your stuff is awesome, but these are my new favorites, good work man,
Meanwhile the Barbarian: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!*
Ok, this reminds me of the fun builds where one class acts like another.... for instance the monastic barbarian or the barbaric monk.
Oh, he cast the mage armor on rougelock
Dude I love the little tag still dangling on the wizard hat lmao
Well what about him not having a Spell book?
I love this
"I cast true polymorph. You are a now a copper coin. Have fun being passed around by grubby little hands for eternity"
"Maybe we shouldn't do this."
"Hold on a minute, this whole thing was your idea."
Okay, I know you're doing this on purpose, but if the rogue warlock is at least 7 levels in rogue they have "evasion" and won't take damage from fireball on a successful save.
If they have 7 levels in rogue, that is all very true.
Dragon: "I'm being polite. I'm being very polite right now"
Really enjoying this new format.
This Warlock has a very different appraisal of his relationship with that particular Wizard.
Necromancer in secret.
Paladin: I know what you are "wizard". Zone of truth.
I need more of this!
Best conclusion!!! Keep them coming!!
“I have no secrets,” and “I am a wizard,” are incompatible statements.
That's unhinged
Was expecting him to say he got the sorcery points from the feat Metamagic Adept
Lmao! This is awesome ❤.
He's still a sorcerer and probably the BBEG
Plot twist, he is a sorcerer but from the 2024 player handbook who traveled back in time without realising
8th level total for the party, must be. The rogue has 2 levels in warlock and gets evasion at 7th in rogue meaning he is 6th or lower in rogue however the wizard casts fireball a whole lot implying that they have several spell slots at third or higher meaning just getting to 5th isn’t an option, and they are going to fight an adult dragon which implies they have some level of power which leads me to believe they are on the higher end of the 6th to 8th range and thus they are 8th level
In the new PHB Evocation Wizard's Sculpt Spell has been moved up higher than when the Rogue gets evasion
Had a guy who's was an evocation wizard that dude was casting fireball with us in it burning the BBEG and not us😂
Has nobody thinked that he can be a multiclass?
Sorcerer + Warlock = Sorlock.
Wizard + Bard = Wizard.
He's multiclassing in plain sight and nobody knows...😂
That is petty and i appreciate that. 😂
As Long as tge power the wizard has being used towards my goals i couldn't Care less what secrets he had
Plot twist this is when the players are too metagamy for the table
The thing about trust is that it ceases to be trust once evidence is provided/ needed
"I cast April Fool's."
Casting fireball while the Marshals are in melee is the only thing that the evocation subclass is used for. (other than magic missile).
Does anybody else hear the crackling of the fireball from the start of the video?
DIDNT WATCH, all i could think of, was putting a toy goldfish on the end of that hook 🐟 😂😂😂
plot twist. it was an illusion spell.
My 3.5 Kobold is a Sorcerer/Wizard multiclass with the Prestige Class Ultimate Magus. He’d definitely pull this kind of shenanigans when people get pedantic about magic when the source literally doesn’t matter when you’re casting the same spells.
The wizard hat has a plot hook.
The petty is strong with this one
Just waiting for the Dragon to call the Wizard "son."
That’s so badass holy shit
Yo, is this my new favorite show now? 🎉😂😂😂❤
Thou starteth none, there shalt BE none. The true law of adventuring.
YES!!!! FINALLY someone points out evocation wizards!!! AHHHHH SERIOUSLY PEOPLE!!
he's obviously a wizard
he wears a pointy hat
Sorcerer rolls a nat 20 deception. 👌
So, canonically, the dipstix (name of the party) are between 5th and 6th levels and are going up against a dragon.
That would mean the Edgelord wouldn't have Evasion yet...
Which means the Wizard IS a Wizard -- One with Metamagic Adept and the training of the School of Evocation.
Hes a clockwork soul sorcerer I would know my sorcerer brothers anywhere
Take him up on the threat. If he dies to 1d4 going outside dmg, he's a wizard.
Clearly wizard is multiclassed wizard and sorcerer.
He's actually using the Charlatan Prestige Class
Wizards are nerds, sorcerers are gifted, warlocks are cultists
A maximum power point you might say?!
Hmm I did not know if this ability... Good to know
Tbf him using one specific fireball combo doesn't necessarily invalidate all past occurrences being weird depending on the specific scenarios
To do a power move, you need maximum power 👍🏻
the whole thing was an illusion.
I had a few players in the past 45 years who tended to tell others how to play their character. Unfortunately it never ended in such a nice in-game situation.
The forshadowing OT
He's actually an infernal Warlock, and he was lying about you taking no damage. However his charisma is high enough to persuade you that you are only _imagining_ your flesh burning.
I HAVE THAT WIZARD HAT
Last time a warlock (me) fought woth a wizard (other party member), the fight ended with one turn of eldritch blast lol
Two types of dnd players.
One: **never uses the potion of maximum power Because** "there might be a bigger baddie"
Two: **chugs the damn potion to prove a small point to a fellow player**
The hell does a potion of maximum power do?
Makes your next spell deal max damage instead of rolling dice.
I say he's also a warlock.
The Warlock casts Darkness on the Wizard's spellcasting focus, then moves to within 10ft of the Wizard. Now the wizard can't cast any spells that require him to see the target, and the darkness follows him unless he drops his focus (meaning he can't cast any spells with material components).
The Warlock has Devil Sight.
The Warlock casts Eldritch Blast until the wizard dies, saving his spell slots to Counterspell any attempts by the wizard to dispell the darkness.
I WOULD WALK AWAY FROM A TABLE WITH THE WIZARD
video potions 1/2 off or free with a transmutation specialty
Used a potion of maximum power to prove a point? Definitely a wizard
I think the potion let him do that and he is actually a sorcerer
Aren't they a rogue? If they're high enough level succeeding on a dex save would make them take 0 damage due to evasion. Does this fireball really prove anything? I'm not sure what level they are, though, so take my words with a grain of salt
He’s a rogue warlock, if he’s got evasion, sculpt spell and careful spell would both result in him taking no damage
Rick and Morty type shit
Great content.
As far as 5e, they screwed up the spell casters. In 3.5 you could be a wizard or a sorcerer and use sculpt spell.
The gaslighting is thick in this one
The hat is the Wizard and the guy wearing it is just some low level Apprentice.
Well without spoiling the fun, if no mistakes where made, i can confidently say that, after some research, i know if the wizard is actually a wizard or not
He isn't a real wizard, he would have died from 1D4 "do I really have to prove I'm a wizard?" damage.
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I feel like theyd both benefit from an actual conversation around this rather than wizard demanding trust. It's hurtful not to be trusted, sure. But demanding trust when there is none only fuels resentment wnd further distrust.