I was at the Holyoke Waterfront when they filmed the live show portions of this vid. They played the song three times to make sure they got enough good footage. The waterfront is such a good venue, the stage is tiny and only raised up like 3ft high and there aren't any (at least at the time) barriers or anything so stage diving and grabbing the mic to sing with them is unbelievably easy to do. I remember going fucking nuts for the first two times they played it, but then being dead af by the third time and had to gtfo of the pit. They didn't ask us to do anything special, didn't fake any stage dives or anything, just told us to go fucking nuts I'm glad these guys are still around and making music, but just like everyone is saying they deserve more recognition. Their guitar riffs are the best in the genre hands down IMO
Was there too!!! Was there for TAS continent CD release and when my children My bride Vanna and our last night when they all filmed videos... Fuckin miss the waterfront days so many amazing bands and performances and these guys I remember when they were just a small band from Westfield lol fat cat shows before this were great too
It doesn't matter what you believe in!!! Think for yourself people, don't listen to anything other than your heart. And if you can't accept someone because of what they believe in, then you are the one with problems.
Id is fantastic but it's too short. Always seems like it's like 25 minutes long. Tbh I like Creature and The Common Man's Collapse a little more. They seem more dense and intricate albums but Invade and [id] have some sick grooves
+Sirjustin101 the shitty vocals are what keep it relegated to deathcore. they would do well to follow their instrumental work or replace the singer than writing their riffs around this earplate clown.
That first album no lie, I discovered and jammed it at work over desktop speakers from the wtr my space page back in the day. When I heard the first album demos and then the album release. I bought the most anticipated first album ever at the time. It was truly next level at the time. I Wore it out and I was hooked since the inception. I remember the build up to album two And I felt like I had finally discovered that band that would change people's lives and I definitely did. Within the ruins still continues to keep that OG style and innovate sound every next Album. It is always the best mix of heavy, melodic, technical, and they just have that sound that brings you back to 16 bit SNES and Sega Days. A Linear polyrhymic re telling of nostalgia. I love it and always will be a fan, in the past and future. \m/_
I'm catholic I like these guys music, I also don't share the same opinion as the lyrics express, But just because I disagree doesn't mean I have to preach to the world and try to make everyone agree with me. just respect people's different opinions man....
Literally one of the sickest albums ever released by any band. In my opinion it doesn't get any better than this. Major props to the band for releasing music that is far from generic. Amazing.
Your point was quite valid other than the fact that no man has a "right" to be angry at God. He gave us all a savior who suffered a beating no one can truly understand and still he cried to heaven declaring that we know not what we do. None of us have a reason to be angry only a reason to be obedient. He also says "I command you" Try telling God what to do and let me know how that works.
I seen within the ruins and the Scarlet lie live in Billings MT I love both bands I listen to within the ruins when I feel like killing someone to calm me down
that melody at 2:30 and then again at 2:55 and then finally to end the song is so damn good, I can't even explain the emotion that I feel when I hear it but I know it is fucking strong and I will probably remember that melody until the day I die
If God DID reveal himself, whether by a miracle, sign, Angel, physical form...would it make a difference? Would it make man clean in his eyes? Nothing will is the point. The only thing that leads to our redemption is to accept the sacrifice Christ gave to us. That doesn't mean that we will miraculously change through Christ, we are always a work in progress. However the realization brings us closer and closer to him, and THAT is the goal, even if we don't live up to him completely.
In regards to "He's watching his greatest creation / die before his eyes," Deuteronomy 31:16-18, "[Mankind] will forsake Me and break the covenant I made with them. On that day I will become angry with them and forsake them... Many disasters and difficulties will come upon them, and on that day they will ask, "Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is not with us?" And I will certainly hide my face on that day because of all their wickedness in turning to other gods."
the comments on this video are just hilarious, this isn't deathcore, but it really doesn't matter. Deathcore is bands like Carnifex if you are looking for the specific sound. Within the Ruins is a badass band who pulls off whatever the hell they want. I've enjoyed every single album, Elite being my favorite. Seen them live, and the performance was astounding. I say, call it metal, sit back and enjoy, or don't. Either way, I don't care.
Hehehe My favorite song from them with my favorite lyrics. Dreamland or Invade has got to be second. But then again dreamland doesn't have the singer... Did they go from this to singing about superheroes or something on the new album? Whats that about....
I dont understand why this only has 147k views...seriously what the fuck is wrong with people? This is the only metal i can listen to now because after hearing WTR, all other metal just sounds boring and lacking in creativity in comparison. Keep up the good work fellas
"all other metal just sounds boring and lacking in creativity in comparison" That my friend, is a god damn fact. I tried listening to something else after listening to these for 2 weeks and it just sucks :P
but a "caregiver" should also recognize that in the case he holds the answer to a whole new generation of man, he should present himself so that man can live without such a profound doubt. the reason for all the hate and indecision is that he gives us no true reason to believe. i will never stand by a book that was written by another man, claiming to be the word of a god. but i will stand by a god who presents himself, and provides true unbound love and guidance.
It is the weak of faith who cannot see him...and the worst part is, he is in your life everyday and you are blind to him because you have your eyes closed so hard...I was like you, posting pseudo intellectual comment on the denial of god. Then one day, when I lost it all, I gave him a chance, and now I see him everyday, in everything I do...and believe it or not, i'm a terrible christian. I don't pray, or go to church, but still I see him.
I don't know, last time I got into a discussion regarding organized religion vs being spiritual to God, I was told without Christ I was going to be in Hell with the Muslims, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Pagans, etc. So I say we just make a motto for mainstream organized Christianity; "You're either with us, or your fucked."
Do you want to know why the lyrics changed so much from Creature, to Invade? Even Elite takes on the same concept as Invade did, but with stronger lyrics, and even more intense music. Their old vocalist was still in the band when they released Creature. Everything up to Creature was with their old vocalist, and Invade, and Elite was made with their vocalist now, which is Tim for those who don't know. In my opinion, Tim is so much better of a vocalist, especially live.
I don't need the permission of a deity to do what is best for myself, or what I think is right. At any rate, free will is only acceptable in the eyes of a deity if we use it as the deity intended.
I agree 100% it's not religion itself, it is what people have turned religion into over the years and how they use religion as an excuse to justify their own actions. Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi, Confucius, Muhammad etc all say very similar messages, POSITIVE messages that I agree with 100%, none of them every promoted messages of hate, they proposed GUIDELINES (not rules) to live by. However somehow people have twisted these guidelines into rules to further their own agenda.
its not bashing for no reason. thats what tim believes and writes about. im just wondering, what do you think about the arguments against christianity? i mean, to me, it just seems like there are so many obvious flaws i always tend to argue about it lol. anyways, i have my beliefs and you have yours and thats fine.
@zombiecarnivalco it was uploaded to their label's youtube page first, which got all the views, then they made a VEVO and had to re-upload it and none of the views transfer
false hope is pretty shitty, because no matter what you believe, it all ends the same. if said false hope causes you to tell others how to live, then i'll laugh at the false hope until my lungs give out.
He's not happy about it, actually it makes Him pretty sad. But when someone insists that they're better off without God, He eventually says, 'fine, have it your way'. God usually doesn't have to punish, he just removes his protection and we punish ourselves.
It is technical death metal, there are a few songs where he does deathcore vocals, but for their more known sound they prefer to use death metal vocals.
Heres my simple case that I dont intend upon starting any arguments with. WtR is a great band, love their instrumentals. As for belief, I would rather believe in a God and figure out nothing was there, than to not believe and find out He is there
(by the way he waited 40 years after he wrote the book to publish for fear of what the church might do to him) I'm sure being as smart as you are you also are aware of the burning periods. If a woman single, smart and independent, they church believed they must be a witch, the Christian Church burned an approximated 100,000 woman. Again don't take my word for it read "Witchcraze: A New History of the European Witch Hunt" by Anne L. Barstow.
I do have adblock too but I disable it on certain pages I wan't to support because with adblock they won't get ad revenue at all and if everyone uses it they don't have a choice but to stop making content or do whatever they do
you don't have agree with the message but this is true art and who are we to judge each other some fucked up shit happens to people to have this kind of perspective.
In my opinion religion is giving hope to people who lost everything in their live and they are still be able to believe that times are getting better in the future.Nobody can promise you that but you ever have a reason to go on. But people are often not that smart so they do what the church want to them to do and thats not the sense of a religion.The church acts more like a political thing but not everyone sees that.( sorry for spelling mistakes)
Or like me.. I was jealous my friend could play some awesome guitar riffs from bullet for my valentine, so I had to show him I could do that as well. Now there's almost a certain need for aggressive vocals on aggressive music :p
First of all We don’t have libertarian free will, and second of all that’s a cop out . What about newborn babies dying or getting cancer or some shit? They haven’t “chosen” anything . God just lets that happen? Makes no sense seeing as it’s also supposedly a creation he loves . Nonsense. Which is why I lean toward god not existing . But of course I don’t KNOW. I’m agnostic on that front but I’m an agnostic atheist because I do not believe in god as it’s been proposed and that’s due to lack of any evidence .
I can see why there'd be religious fights on videos like this, just because of the lyrics. Why it has to be on other band's videos that have no intentions of spreading religious messages, though, completely surpasses me.
Why do we always have to bring in religion everyone focuses on faith and beliefs that bring us apart rather than the kick ass music that brings us together.
Damn , all of yall talking about religion , just relaxe fellas . Anyways , just started listening to these guys today , already one of my favorites . {:
I think God is real, but he isn't some giant dude in the sky that watches to see if we're good or not. I think He just made us with the ability of free will, and then turned away to let us shape ourselves. And we used that free will to choose violence.
Within the ruins deserves to be more popular.
+Kerath 100% agreed, as Erra who play Progressive Metalcore as well \m/
+Kerath they would be if they'd replace this run of the mill deathcore dorkass on vocals spouting his unfocused self affirmation tough guy lines.
Jeremi Mayer bruh this is straight up djent not metalcore
the problem is there's a million musical acts in America, the pie is being cut too thin
I was at the Holyoke Waterfront when they filmed the live show portions of this vid. They played the song three times to make sure they got enough good footage. The waterfront is such a good venue, the stage is tiny and only raised up like 3ft high and there aren't any (at least at the time) barriers or anything so stage diving and grabbing the mic to sing with them is unbelievably easy to do. I remember going fucking nuts for the first two times they played it, but then being dead af by the third time and had to gtfo of the pit. They didn't ask us to do anything special, didn't fake any stage dives or anything, just told us to go fucking nuts
I'm glad these guys are still around and making music, but just like everyone is saying they deserve more recognition. Their guitar riffs are the best in the genre hands down IMO
Was there too!!! Was there for TAS continent CD release and when my children My bride Vanna and our last night when they all filmed videos... Fuckin miss the waterfront days so many amazing bands and performances and these guys I remember when they were just a small band from Westfield lol fat cat shows before this were great too
My cat died, and I came straight to this song, because it's how I feel about the situation.
It doesn't matter what you believe in!!! Think for yourself people, don't listen to anything other than your heart. And if you can't accept someone because of what they believe in, then you are the one with problems.
This ENTIRE album and ID by Veil of Maya are 2 of the greatest tech metal albums ever released and will probably never be beaten
Id is fantastic but it's too short. Always seems like it's like 25 minutes long. Tbh I like Creature and The Common Man's Collapse a little more. They seem more dense and intricate albums but Invade and [id] have some sick grooves
ID was one of my favorite albums
Now i have to listen to it in its entirety, thanks
Damn why can't more Deathcore bands sound this good?
I agree!
Because this is not Deathcore lol
Winning Designs is deathcore, not generic deathcore
+Norxo Castro other than this song they're unbelievably generic. Carnifex , All Shall Perish, Despised Icon and OLD Whitechapel do it BEST!
+Sirjustin101 the shitty vocals are what keep it relegated to deathcore. they would do well to follow their instrumental work or replace the singer than writing their riffs around this earplate clown.
One of my favorite songs by Within The Ruins
That first album no lie, I discovered and jammed it at work over desktop speakers from the wtr my space page back in the day. When I heard the first album demos and then the album release. I bought the most anticipated first album ever at the time. It was truly next level at the time. I Wore it out and I was hooked since the inception. I remember the build up to album two And I felt like I had finally discovered that band that would change people's lives and I definitely did. Within the ruins still continues to keep that OG style and innovate sound every next Album. It is always the best mix of heavy, melodic, technical, and they just have that sound that brings you back to 16 bit SNES and Sega Days. A Linear polyrhymic re telling of nostalgia. I love it and always will be a fan, in the past and future. \m/_
I'm catholic I like these guys music, I also don't share the same opinion as the lyrics express, But just because I disagree doesn't mean I have to preach to the world and try to make everyone agree with me. just respect people's different opinions man....
Literally one of the sickest albums ever released by any band. In my opinion it doesn't get any better than this. Major props to the band for releasing music that is far from generic. Amazing.
Rings of saturn.
+Brandon Jeffers
Throes,
The Raven Autarchy
Shadow Of Intent
The Greatness Design
Ordinance
You are welcome.
All those bands blow, The greatness design is the worst on that list.
Your point was quite valid other than the fact that no man has a "right" to be angry at God. He gave us all a savior who suffered a beating no one can truly understand and still he cried to heaven declaring that we know not what we do. None of us have a reason to be angry only a reason to be obedient. He also says "I command you" Try telling God what to do and let me know how that works.
Another classic .. "There is a war outside , So wake up"
This band has got me grooved up.. im a little sweaty and full from the tasty caloric complexity of the the style they offer, what a lovely tea party..
Love this song and the album.
got to play a show with them back in the day with my band great band
I seen within the ruins and the Scarlet lie live in Billings MT I love both bands I listen to within the ruins when I feel like killing someone to calm me down
Hit with nostalgia pretty hard from this one.
This is my buddy's favorite within the ruins song.
that melody at 2:30 and then again at 2:55 and then finally to end the song is so damn good, I can't even explain the emotion that I feel when I hear it but I know it is fucking strong and I will probably remember that melody until the day I die
this band really kicks ass. drummer is awesome and the guitarist does some really tight stuff.
Murder face murder face murder face
Came back to this gem ❤ 2023
If God DID reveal himself, whether by a miracle, sign, Angel, physical form...would it make a difference? Would it make man clean in his eyes? Nothing will is the point. The only thing that leads to our redemption is to accept the sacrifice Christ gave to us. That doesn't mean that we will miraculously change through Christ, we are always a work in progress. However the realization brings us closer and closer to him, and THAT is the goal, even if we don't live up to him completely.
this band are unbelievable
In regards to "He's watching his greatest creation / die before his eyes,"
Deuteronomy 31:16-18, "[Mankind] will forsake Me and break the covenant I made with them. On that day I will become angry with them and forsake them... Many disasters and difficulties will come upon them, and on that day they will ask, "Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is not with us?" And I will certainly hide my face on that day because of all their wickedness in turning to other gods."
Beautiful song
Amazing music and lyrics!!!!
still here in 2023
Prove he's real and we'll believe.
the comments on this video are just hilarious, this isn't deathcore, but it really doesn't matter. Deathcore is bands like Carnifex if you are looking for the specific sound. Within the Ruins is a badass band who pulls off whatever the hell they want. I've enjoyed every single album, Elite being my favorite. Seen them live, and the performance was astounding. I say, call it metal, sit back and enjoy, or don't. Either way, I don't care.
2022, Im calling you out!!
i want to see them live sooooo bad
Hehehe My favorite song from them with my favorite lyrics. Dreamland or Invade has got to be second. But then again dreamland doesn't have the singer...
Did they go from this to singing about superheroes or something on the new album? Whats that about....
The new album is based off of Action/cominc heros and villans.. It fits so perfectly with there sou d
Their best was creatures
I dont understand why this only has 147k views...seriously what the fuck is wrong with people? This is the only metal i can listen to now because after hearing WTR, all other metal just sounds boring and lacking in creativity in comparison. Keep up the good work fellas
agree 1000%
DaveFromChicago1 couldnt agree more. even makes me want to try and learn there music.
"all other metal just sounds boring and lacking in creativity in comparison"
That my friend, is a god damn fact. I tried listening to something else after listening to these for 2 weeks and it just sucks :P
listen to After The Burial, these two bands kill live
Why in heaven's name does this only have fourteen views?
1:25
this is their trademark sound
1:25
This is why I love WTR
but a "caregiver" should also recognize that in the case he holds the answer to a whole new generation of man, he should present himself so that man can live without such a profound doubt. the reason for all the hate and indecision is that he gives us no true reason to believe. i will never stand by a book that was written by another man, claiming to be the word of a god. but i will stand by a god who presents himself, and provides true unbound love and guidance.
It is the weak of faith who cannot see him...and the worst part is, he is in your life everyday and you are blind to him because you have your eyes closed so hard...I was like you, posting pseudo intellectual comment on the denial of god. Then one day, when I lost it all, I gave him a chance, and now I see him everyday, in everything I do...and believe it or not, i'm a terrible christian. I don't pray, or go to church, but still I see him.
PERFECTO.
How do you discover the edge of something that is continually expanding?
yes. sickest track ever!!
I don't know, last time I got into a discussion regarding organized religion vs being spiritual to God, I was told without Christ I was going to be in Hell with the Muslims, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Pagans, etc. So I say we just make a motto for mainstream organized Christianity; "You're either with us, or your fucked."
Do you want to know why the lyrics changed so much from Creature, to Invade? Even Elite takes on the same concept as Invade did, but with stronger lyrics, and even more intense music. Their old vocalist was still in the band when they released Creature. Everything up to Creature was with their old vocalist, and Invade, and Elite was made with their vocalist now, which is Tim for those who don't know. In my opinion, Tim is so much better of a vocalist, especially live.
that guitarrist is so badass
I´m seeing them LIVE SOON! CAN´T FUCKING WAIT!!
@zombiecarnivalco When you search for them, it's toward the bottom of the video list.
these guys are pretty good
Good riffs, good vocals, and most importantly; good lyrics. UMADCHRISTANS?!
I don't need the permission of a deity to do what is best for myself, or what I think is right. At any rate, free will is only acceptable in the eyes of a deity if we use it as the deity intended.
Still fucking fire
Your so right!! I think
on a side note, this bands music is awesome!
I agree 100% it's not religion itself, it is what people have turned religion into over the years and how they use religion as an excuse to justify their own actions. Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi, Confucius, Muhammad etc all say very similar messages, POSITIVE messages that I agree with 100%, none of them every promoted messages of hate, they proposed GUIDELINES (not rules) to live by. However somehow people have twisted these guidelines into rules to further their own agenda.
its not bashing for no reason. thats what tim believes and writes about. im just wondering, what do you think about the arguments against christianity? i mean, to me, it just seems like there are so many obvious flaws i always tend to argue about it lol. anyways, i have my beliefs and you have yours and thats fine.
@zombiecarnivalco it was uploaded to their label's youtube page first, which got all the views, then they made a VEVO and had to re-upload it and none of the views transfer
Xxxcelent!
damn great song
Very true.
Nice I like it
my bad I guess i didn't see it, Im glad we could agree on this
Come to Holland and play "Invade" in 1 set please. thank you
very true, i dont even remember writing this comment hahah too much time and too much beer probably. but you are right
2019👽🖤
these lyrics are fucking perfect. this band destroys. I'M CALLING YOU OUT!
false hope is pretty shitty, because no matter what you believe, it all ends the same. if said false hope causes you to tell others how to live, then i'll laugh at the false hope until my lungs give out.
There exist metal that promotes god too. I don't care personally for the lyrics. I like this song for its music.
He's not happy about it, actually it makes Him pretty sad. But when someone insists that they're better off without God, He eventually says, 'fine, have it your way'. God usually doesn't have to punish, he just removes his protection and we punish ourselves.
It is technical death metal, there are a few songs where he does deathcore vocals, but for their more known sound they prefer to use death metal vocals.
Heres my simple case that I dont intend upon starting any arguments with. WtR is a great band, love their instrumentals. As for belief, I would rather believe in a God and figure out nothing was there, than to not believe and find out He is there
They actually just discovered the edge of the universe.
Is this it?
I loved this song before I knew what it was about...
Now IT'S FUCKING GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can respect that.
still the most brutal song on the fucking planet. 2 years later...lol
i bet if this song was about any other religon everyone would hate this song.
He was putting it in context of what the religious think.
0 dislikes so far, WINNING
@AbrahamGomz, its more like just a song? i just don't wanna label this incredifuckingawesome group.
(by the way he waited 40 years after he wrote the book to publish for fear of what the church might do to him) I'm sure being as smart as you are you also are aware of the burning periods. If a woman single, smart and independent, they church believed they must be a witch, the Christian Church burned an approximated 100,000 woman. Again don't take my word for it read "Witchcraze: A New History of the European Witch Hunt" by Anne L. Barstow.
I do have adblock too but I disable it on certain pages I wan't to support because with adblock they won't get ad revenue at all and if everyone uses it they don't have a choice but to stop making content or do whatever they do
you don't have agree with the message but this is true art and who are we to judge each other some fucked up shit happens to people to have this kind of perspective.
Good response bro! You come up with that one all on your own?
i agree.
In my opinion religion is giving hope to people who lost everything in their live and they are still be able to believe that times are getting better in the future.Nobody can promise you that but you ever have a reason to go on. But people are often not that smart so they do what the church want to them to do and thats not the sense of a religion.The church acts more like a political thing but not everyone sees that.( sorry for spelling mistakes)
You have a good head on your shoulders man
@foogledoo32 it definitely has been go do some research if i could post a link i would but its not letting me
Or like me.. I was jealous my friend could play some awesome guitar riffs from bullet for my valentine, so I had to show him I could do that as well. Now there's almost a certain need for aggressive vocals on aggressive music :p
2:05 fucking sick moment
I don't want to start an argument, but that's the point of free will.
First of all We don’t have libertarian free will, and second of all that’s a cop out . What about newborn babies dying or getting cancer or some shit? They haven’t “chosen” anything . God just lets that happen? Makes no sense seeing as it’s also supposedly a creation he loves . Nonsense. Which is why I lean toward god not existing . But of course I don’t KNOW. I’m agnostic on that front but I’m an agnostic atheist because I do not believe in god as it’s been proposed and that’s due to lack of any evidence .
@BLUNTHOUND Why is this one of the top comments on this video? Come on youtube, seriously??
Is that Michael Barr?
I can see why there'd be religious fights on videos like this, just because of the lyrics. Why it has to be on other band's videos that have no intentions of spreading religious messages, though, completely surpasses me.
This song was made for this times 25/03/2020
They have instrumentals
Why do we always have to bring in religion everyone focuses on faith and beliefs that bring us apart rather than the kick ass music that brings us together.
That qoute made me lol...
I just posted that shit on my fb page. Fucking nice man. Props.
Damn , all of yall talking about religion , just relaxe fellas .
Anyways , just started listening to these guys today , already one of my favorites . {:
because they started using vevo thats why so it like reset it had like almost 50,000 should definately have millions o.0
I think God is real, but he isn't some giant dude in the sky that watches to see if we're good or not. I think He just made us with the ability of free will, and then turned away to let us shape ourselves. And we used that free will to choose violence.
true, which means that they are technically an agnostic band