Im 5 months in to my first BEV and I wont EVER go back to ICE so much nicer to drive and so cheap to run as I can charge at home for less than 8p a Kw overnight, its a no brainer :)
Wait until you do a long summer trip or try to charge beyond Exeter going to Cornwall. Local driving is fine for EV's charging at home but a headache when driving further, I know because I had an EV for 2 years and won't go back. I just hope you didn't buy your EV. How long do you think cheap night time energy prices will last when more cars need charging at night ? Supply and demand just like economy 7 was killed off. Good luck.
@@RBcymru I believe that you make 300 miles every day, right? Do you know what the solar panels are and how much do they cost? If the power price rises then it will make sense to add solar panels on the roof, a couple of batteries and voila, you can charge at home for free. Not actually free, but it will be much cheaper than what you say that the price of power will skyrocket. A good bunch of solar panels and 10Kwh batteries cost around 10-20k plus 10-15k to install them and you will have power made on your roof for at least the next 20-25 years. If you spread the cost it looks like it will cost you 1000-1500 for every year of their life. I used to pay more for diesel and I had to pay to service my car too. Oh, I forgot the bonus, you will have free power to your home too. Can you tell me how will you make a liter of diesel or patrol at home? I still remember how the price of the diesel went from £1 to £1.80 in a few monthhs when a war started, or somebody in middle east had a fight with his wife.
@@Man_v_Cars Who told you that? I can charge for 44p at Tesla chargers, that's cheaper than my old patrol car. You can have a subscription that can offers you a huge discount on many chargers. See Electroverse card, that's the firts that came in my mind but there are more. I can charge at work for 40p too.There are many solutions if you want. If you don't want you just stay with your ICE spreading cancer and death every time you turn the engine on. If you think that your selection is above my health, no, I am sorry but you can't have that option. ICE cars are dead.
@@RBcymru Yes, done Cambridge to wales, Cambridge to Cornwall, Cambridge to Yorkshire, Cambridge to lake district several times. Each time, found charger, plugged in, sometimes went for pee, sometimes had a coffee, sometimes had lunch. Never waited more than an Ice car - since I was doing stuff in parallel (fuelling and peeing), while in an ICE car I would have to fill with petrol, move car, go for pee. So yep, no problem, easy, never once had a problem; even in my wifes e208 which has limited range.
Just got my first full EV, gone is my horrid phev, the battery was the best part of it so I went full EV. So far it’s been easier than a petrol, no stopping at dirty garages, just plug in at home in the evening. The very occasional public charging has been a breeze, I was expecting the worse but it was again, easier than petrol. Plug in, tap card, come back after a coffee.
Worst public charging experience I had was last week. Plugged into a charger and strolled across to the pub for lunch. They were full, could not feed us. But in the seven minutes we were in the pub, gained more than enough charge to reach our destination(s). Then topped up in Norwich while shopping.
That's interesting. I can visit any pub any time I like. If it's too busy I can jump back in the car and go to another. It doesn't need any special facilities other than those I want, food and a bathroom. But that sounds a lot of fun.
@@crm114. That's a bit like a guy with a walker saying it's no trouble because he never walks more than 50 yards anyway.. Of course you don't drive very far in your EV, most people don't, for good reason.
Just wanted to finally thank Dave (and EV man) for all the useful info over the last couple of years. After lots of research, I got my second hand Model 3 LR last year ( along with Solar panels, home battery, heat pump & obviously car charger ). We did a 4 week road trip in the summer with stops in France, Switzerland, Italy, Germany & Belgium. Just under 3400 miles in total, including some street charging (Germany) and motorway tolls (France, Switzerland & Italy) came to £412! Needless to say, I would never go back to ICE.
Good that you are enjoying you're EV. Just would like Dave to stop leaving gaps and reading out from some flawed reports, so people can have a balanced opinion and decide what they buy from that! Perhaps more would buy EV's if he and others weeded out the misinformation and not just point out all the pros of EV's!
3,500 miles in a twenty year old car averaging 6 litre per 100km (47 imperial mpg) at £1.3 per litre would have cost £424, with no need to invest tens of thousands into the vehicle, infrastructure, degrading batteries and so on.
Took my MG4 from France where I live to Spain despite the slightly dodgy charging infrastructure in Spain just for the pure pleasure of driving ( on one pedal drive ) thru the Pyrannees . Had one bad experience with a charger where the App was unuseable but soon found another with no problems . Never going back .
You only have to look around as you drive to see the ever growing number of EVs on the roads. People are seeing through the lies and misinformation and realising how cheap they are to run and how nice they are to drive.
Yes, 11 months ago when i moved into my new house I was the only person in the road eith an EV. Today there are 12 EV's in my road....and two hybrids...so niw less than 25% of vehicles in my road are petrol or diesel. The word is obviously getting around!
Finally bought a 2nd hand BEV so I believe this is definitely a tipping point in EV adoption. I represent Mr Average and I believe the time is right with last mile delivery also adopting EVs. Battery storage is possibly the main critical development along with improvements in greater range due to improved battery chemistry. Thanks Dave and please continue to keep us informed.
Our first winter with a EV. It's 40F out and the ev is pumping out hot air immediately after turning it on. Costs $13 to add 200 miles at home. We only charged it with 120 volt - level 1. Average person drives less than 45 miles to work and you can add 45 miles of charge overnight at 120v. Skip waiting for the gas pump to come free and buy an EV.
Great video Dave👍😊 We are in Australia (Brought up,in UK) and have had a EV for 3yrs not going back. We have far less charging infrastructure here than you but in March this year we a drive from one side of Australia to the other and back 12,000km. YES you can do a long drive in an EV. PS our Tesla model 3 is by far the most reliable vehicle we have ever owned (New Dec 2021) and never been back to the garage for anything, our last 5 private cars were all new ICE Toyotas and VWs just so you know… EVs are the future.
Sorry Dave, but all the progressive channels like yours concerning green tech, just attracts the emotional hate trolls. Seemingly going out of their way to comment/watch channels they hate. ‘Confused admirers’ is a kind description I’ve heard, people hate change it threatens their status quo & forces something they detest more than exercise - thinking!
We love these haters, every comment thhey make, every argument they start, it's good for the channel. Yhe YT algorithm counts how many comments every video makes, how many conversations etc and the videos with the best scores are ighher on the search. We love them because they give Dave's channel so much publicity and more and more people come to the channel.
nothing ever changes, the same a hundred years ago or more, walk in front with a red flag etc. ALL my life (I am now 77) we have always regarded ice vehicles as the norm of course. This is the first disrupter in my life time. No wonder everybody is moving into their corners, when I was a teenager in the UK, you had to be a Mod or a Rocker, so this is just the same stuff cloaked in new cloths. Here in NZ we have the privilege of selling most of our foodstuffs to a willing buyer, China, hence no tariffs etc, So we get all their vehicles at quite a reasonable price, as long as you can afford one of course. I have an MG ev and it has been faultless for 2 years. I also own a widtrak and it cost me heaps to run. In the new year I will test drive the new Shark 6 PHEV, the interest here is ballistic to say the least, our local NZ 'ecotricity' channel has had way over 600k views, a record that will be hard to beat in the future. The reason is obvious to us, we all love our 'utes' or pick ups here, and so do the Ausis even more so. This is a turning point, about 80km or more on pure ev and a petrol engine range extender to take it up to about 800km. H3ere we do not have to cross over deserts etc, so it will be a big hit!.
I would like to see Zapmaps math and use cases for those figures; my last ICE was costing me £2250 per year, for barely 1,000 miles; that was possibly the worse case for a big engine, nearly 100% sub 2 mile trips, so the engine never got warm - and in a very hilly area, and rarely fast enough to reach 5th gear. My old EV, on exactly the same route - cost me about £80 per year; even now, driving around 10,000 miles (daughter moved to a school much further away); my estimated yearly cost for electricity is £200; my calculation for that old ICE, is around £2400, even allowing an extra 25% in MPG, due to the engine getting a bit warmer. (Charging at home at 8p per kwh).
Thanks Dave. Great and encouraging information! Could you maybe leave the tables and graphs up a little longer? Maybe I'm slow, but before I'm able to absorb what information is being presented, you're on the next one!
I’m a Tesla owner in Belgium, I love your channel Dave and fully support your pro EV position. It’s so obviously common sense that EVs are the future that it’s frustrating to see the benighted opposition. I understand it though - before getting my model Y company car I too was anti EV. Based on skepticism of climate change politics. I have to say that Sparky my model Y (he has a name) has won me over single handed. All range and charging phobia has been dispelled by experiencing the relative ease and reliability of charging - not perfect but sufficient t to allow long journeys without fear of stranding. Plus all the other cool stuff in an EV. I most definitely will never return to ICE. The thought kind of nauseates me. The technology developments of EVs and their batteries in China are for me exciting and inspiring. Sadly, a lot of the ongoing resistance to EVs is racist - EVs are seen as Chinese, with some justification. That old problem of conservative racism in the U.K. will only be solved one funeral at a time. To end with Churchill’s words, “don’t let the buggers get you down”! Love and peace
Great one Dave, EV sales are going one way and that is up! The figures will start to grow exponentially very soon and it will be totally undeniable to everyone.
Lets ignore dealers pre registering evs to avoid the 'fine' for not meeting targets and Motability pushing users onto electric thanks to the government.
Keep living in your denial corner. I have had 2 EV’ s now but previously had 12 ICE cars including Astra GTE a V6 and Audi A4, A6 and Q5. I have not missed any of them. Acceleration in my EV is so much better, I don’t have to drive to a petrol station to fill up, just letting it charge whilst I sleep. Cost of just over 2p per mile. Also no oil leaks or break pad dust all over the wheels. I will never own another ICE cars. As more people understand the benefits that are in an EV as more friends and relatives get them the more will swap.
@@Man_v_Cars - oh dear, the issue is that the stats show not much extra pre-registration is taking place, after all what with the EV depreciation levels everyone keeps shouting about why would a delear/automaker take on a car they'll have to sell at a big loss. Paying the penalty would be much cheaper for them, which btw analysis has show only the luxury brands will likely be doing this year (and they've factored the cost in to the price of the luxury cars anyway). Most motability users are more than happy for an EV, they're cheaper to run, safer and easier to drive and can be adapted more specifically to their needs plus it's not forced those without the access to charging can choose otherwise.
@GruffSillyGoat And yet the report highlights the discounts being offered and states the cannot continue. £15k 'fine' per ICE car sold if EV targets aren't met, I wonder why they're pre registering EVs. 'on which the sector is offering record discounts. While this is providing some success, the scale of discounting, worth some £4 billion across 2024, is unsustainable and poses a risk to future consumer choice and UK economic growth.' The SMMT report.
Yep some quarters are asking for change to the ZEV mandate but there is a bit of a disagreement between them as to what that is: - some automakers and dealerships, those referenced in the SMMT commentary, are asking for government incentives for EVs (half the rate of VAT for EVs for three years, etc.) to be introduced as they want to restore higher levels of profit on their vehicles seeking for the government (or more accurately the tax payer) to pay for this profit hike. They are having to discount beacuse the price differential between their ICE and EV products is too great, impacting their sales. Also, the depreciation of the EVs due to being overpriced also impacts their financial arms as they bear the leasing risk due to the used market pricing at a more relistic level (the discounts and incentives the automakers mention being leasing tied discounts and lower rates, increasing exposure). This is partly because they are not manufacturing their EVs as efficiently as other automakers, and partly they got the market wrong and timed their entry too late with a half baked strategy, seeking for EVs to still be a premium product it was in the early-adopter phase but the market has moved on. The ZEV mandate is a excuse and influence vehicle to launch their wants and desires at the government. - some automakers, car importers and charge point organisation are lobbying the government to *_not_* change the ZEV mandate as it suits them better. - a number of automakers are on the fence, as they've hit their targets but are saying if the government does change the ZEV mandate then they want a piece of the pie as well or at least any changes performed do not imapct them particularly compared to others. - a few automakers - mainly the premium luxury ones don't really care they'll produce their products anyway and just raise the price - their cliental can afford it anyway. - some dealerships - typically self-represented want the whole thing to go away and go back to the days of yore of having ICE cars they could build good revenue streams off. The government is saying the 2030 date is not changing nor are the ZEV mandate levels, but they will consider other things without saying what - most likely the penalty levels in the early years of the mandate and tweaking some of the rules (such as the converstion level and rate of low CO2 credits from hybrids to ZEV mandate credits). Some of the automakers are moving in the right direction, introducing more affordable smaller EVs rather than larger premium priced models they've done to date - reflecting more what China has done in their EV adoption strategy. For some automakers this is a bit of a uncomfortable approach as it conflicts with their strategy, since before EVs took hold on, of pruning out cheaper smaller ICE models and increasing prices of what remained, driving buyers away from cash/third-party personal loan purchases into the arms of their inhouse finance houses to make more group profit (one of the primary drivers of the shift from private sales to lease sales that has been shifting for years). This is why the SMMT letter to the government was worded the way it was regarding: - _"unsustainable"_ for the automakers to continue with their strategy of selling high priced cars tailored for finance packages, transitioning the ownership model to leasing. The ZEV mandate aids the adoption of EVs that upsets the status quo exposing automakers to direct competition with more affordable Chinese, Korean and pure-EV brands. The automakers cannot offset the loss of revenue by selling increased volumes of higher priced 'premium' ICE vehicles due to the mandate's stepped levels. - _"posing risk to future consumer choice"_ will become difficult to offer ICE cars as is purposefully intended by the ZEV mandate; will be forced to align models that compete with the Chinese, Korean and pure-EV. One where the automakers cannot sidestep the competition by offering ICE models the competition doesn't offer. - _"UK economic growth"_ cheaper cars will generate lower financial service revenue and taxes. This isn't UK production point as the UK is shifting it's production base to making EVs already, many sites already upgraded or underway. Luton's closure being due to the ZEV mandate is more of excuse as it was already being upgraded to EV production - instead Stellantiis is lowering its costs by consolidating its production facilities across Europe (like other automakers are as well). As to this year's ZEV mandate none of the automakers, unless they explicitly intending to be, will face significant penalties under the scheme this year. This is beacuse the scheme has a number of mechanisms in it to offset the impact including being able ot convert overproduction of low CO2 vehicle (hybrid) credits to ZEV mandate credit. Hence the push on hybrid as well as battery EV sales this year alongside the lowering of petrol/diesel sales levels. New Automotion have an analysis of the individualised targets for specific automakers. Pre-registering is a simple answer to a complex question, and not one the automakers/dealership would seek to overuse as it eats significantly into revenue (similar with other 'internsal sales' methods). This has always been the case which is why pre-registration is restricted to a tiny percentage of sales; there were similar claims of petrol cars being pre-registered when they started outselling diesels again a number of years back, but it turned out to be dieselgate was starting to bite.
@@SweBeach2023 I’ve had a couple of diesels and a lot of petrol cars over many years of driving and none of them were capable of driving 1000 miles for £17. But my Tesla can. No service costs, not even a service schedule. I’ve had mine for 4 years in Jan 2025 and the only thing I’ve paid for is a new set of tyres. I’m now on 48,000 miles. I personally would never go back to an ICE vehicle through choice.
Having purchased my next EV in the last week what i can say is many of the car makers are offering good deals on EVs at the moment to try and get thier sales up closer to the government targets before the end of the year.
I recently got my first EV through work and I can honestly say I wouldn't go back to an ICE car. It is much more relaxing to drive and the instant torque is very usable in real-world, pulling gout of junctions, overtaking, etc, and theirs no kick-down during overtakes or lag of any kind. Everyone thinks EV's are expensive, but ICE cars aren't exactly cheap anyway. I had a BMW 330i before lockdown, I couldn't afford the new version now even if I wanted one, but I can afford a Model 3. Legacy car makers have done too little for too long and are simultaneously producing too many different models. To survive they need to move on, embrace EV as the current plan to make both EV and ICE means they are just too expensive and inefficient. And in the case of BMW, overpriced and poorly made. And ugly
Dave, the 30GW figure (8:05) may be reflecting the average rate of energy transferred (power) determined over a month rather than the amount of energy stored within the vehicles on that month (which would be a GWh figure). I'm slightly confused about your commentary about rapid/ultra-rapid chargers the chart at 9:55, you say Instavolt are mainly fast charger and that Tesla are ultra-rapids, but the graph is for rapid/ultra rapids only not fast chargers. If you meant this as a more generalised observation it seems to ignore that Tesla also have a destination slow & fast charger network in the UK. Also, the comparative statement (9:55 & 10:45) that Tesla are 150kW and Instavolt are 50kW is unclear how this was determined, as Instavolt have a much bigger network (sites) in the UK than Tesla that includes rapid (50-149kW) chargers whereas Tesla's doesn't offer rapid chargers. However, using Zapmap it seems that for slow & fast chargers (3 to 49kW) and ultra-rapid chargers (150kW+), where both firms offer facilities, then Instavolt have more sites in both categories. Hence I wonder how you determined the observation that Tesla have more ultra-rapids than Instavolt, have you counted up the individual charge point connections of each provider for example?
I’m in the can’t charge at home group? Even though I charge from home overnight. Why is charging with a three pin plug not classified as charging from home?
(USA) I charge on a 110 volt socket in my garage or take advantage of the free solar powered charge at a local park when I'm out for a walk. Never have a problem. I definitely can charge at home. Not taking into account mooching off the local park, I pay about 2.7 U.S. cents per mile. That''s half of what my Prius used to cost!
@ it costs me 3.4p per mile here 🇬🇧 on a 230v outlet. An average petrol car would cost 14p per mile, however I have a high performance EV an equivalent petrol car would cost 24p per mile.
Because there is no mechanism to count it. All new fixed home chargers have to be 'smart units' which means they monitor usage, and can cancel a charge in dire circumstances. I have had mine years, and is a dumb unit and I like it like that. In the future charging the EV will not be on the same rate as the house - it's already the case with some tariffs from Octopus Energy, at the moment it is cheaper - but I predict it will be more. I also suspect that AC charging will soon be a thing of the past - I am sure the government want control over it the same as they do now with petrol cars. In the next 15 years is my prediction for DC only charging cars. Remember where you heard it first !
Love the shirt Dave! That's a lot of work there Dave putting all the information together - thank you. They always say lies, damn lies and statistics! You can get several points from view from all the data. It will be interesting to see how this progresses over 2025. I feel BEVs may flatline somewhat and PHEVs will continue to grow.
Dave just sold my Toyota C-HR GR Sport and bought a new MG4 Trophy. Couldn’t be happier. Faster, smoother, way cheaper to run. Charger was £1350 and charging it at home. Averaging 3.5 mile/kwh so about 200 range town commute in winter ❄️.
You say sales are up but your data shows registrations? I'm told that manufacturers are having to register cars to meet government targets but a huge percentage of these go to storage sites so they are not actual sales.
A sale for SMMT and Tesla is when a car is registered. A sale according to legacy auto is when a car is transferred to the dealer. Which do you prefer? Pre-reg is used by legacy but is very short term as they soon run out of money and end up owning thousands of used cars that are worth less than they cost to build
I think we will still get the old, good „evs catch fire” or „your battery will die after 2 years” or „” my diesel Passat can drive 700miles without refueling” 😉
Or are these ev sales just mass pre-registrations ? Also could it be that ICE vehicle deliveries have been put back to the new year to reduce manufacturers ZEV mandate fines ? We will have to see the figures in January to find out. I look forward to Dave's video going through the January sales data in the same amount of detail.
Most "sales" are lease and company cars so we need the TRUE sales figures. My local Cupra dealer caused out rage when he sold pre registered Born's from another garage in June this year with up to £7000 off list price because no one was buying them. This devalued thousands of cars bought from them. The dealer now doesn't sell many EV's. Avonmouth docks in Bristol is struggling to store un sold MG 4 EV's.
Pre registrations and held back ice due to targets and fines. I have been convinced by others. The truth will out to some extent when January sales data is released.
But what about all the petrol and Diesel pre regs?......the targets only get stricter next year so there digging a hole if they are holding them back till the new year. I personally think that PHEV"s sales will drop off rapidly soon as all the people who bought them in fear of going full BEV will have realised they almost drive exclusively drive on battery only so might as well make the change
@bwarey52 Sometimes you have to dig a hole and hope something can then be done about it later. I don't know if you have seen the graphs of PHEVs sales from Norway I think. They drop off very fast once people have understood and feel confident with BEVs
Still, if that is the case, theres pent up demand for petrols, which will either push people to EVs, or increase prices for petrols. And on the other side, theres pre registered EVs searching for buyers. The point of the law is to increase EV sales. If its succeeding in a round about way, that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
Why convinced? The logic is flawed, the cost of pre-registering an EV at the volume required would impact the automakers and dealers more than the cost of paying the penalty - what with EV depreciation that is also championed by some quarters then the automakers surely maker a loss on every pre-reg EV eventually sold plus displace another EV sale at nearer to full asking price. Those making the claims also seem to be unaware of the find details of the workings of the ZEV mandate scheme, particularly when there are so many examptions/reliefs in way the ZEV mandate counts work. Automakers can even convert over-production of CO2 credtis from their hybrids to ZEV mandate credits - so why would they hold back sales of these if more sales help them hit the 22% target. Even the press are acknowledging, The Telegrift even, that the pre-reg rate is around 2% presently, not outside of the typical background rate. Plus New Automotion have analysed each automakers exposure and determined for the majority none will be hit by penalties this year, excepting those luxury brands who have just built the penalty into the price of their ICE cars. The noise in the press from the dealers/automakers at the moment is about next years target not this years, otherwise they would have made noise much earlier. Interestingly, some quarters are pushing back with car importers, some automakers and charge point operators arguing that the ZEV mandate shouldn't be changed. Rather it's the dealerships mainly who are arguing for it to be dropped or targets changed, whereas the automakers are asking for more incentives on EVs to help raise sales. All in all a bit of a mess, but it seems the government is holding strong saying it will not be changing the 2030 date nor the ZEV mandate levels but are open on other aspects - perhaps revised penalty levels and tweaking of the rules.
@@bwarey52 They are digging a hole but they are trying to survive today, next year is next year, things can change and if they don't they will have to deal with it then. Nothing complicated.
Have my ev for 3 years now. The best car i have ever had. I dont think its too far away that the penny will drop that ev's are the only one to buy. Most of the haters have never driven or even sat in an ev. They dont know what they are missing. PHEV cars are a mith, most owners never charge the battery, what a waste of money. Love the channel Dave, look forward to more to come. Take care and merry christmas.
Many drivers like me will never own another EV. Unless you are retired and do local driving EV's don't make sense. My 2022 was supposed to do 264 miles then 234 after "new marketing" in 2023 but struggled to do 110 miles on the motorway in winter from 80% to 10% battery so 143 miles from 100% to 0%.
I can't charge at home but just took delivery of an ioniq 5, long range , fast recharge. I only have to charge once a week for 20 to 35 min . It's not really an inconvenience. Ps mu son just bought a 2nd hand tesla model 3 today and he can't charge at home either. I am hoping eventually that technology will catch up and allow me to use public chargers tied to my home electric contract who knows what the future will bring?
you need to make Friends with a local EV driver with offroad parking and come to a mutual arrangement. I get 7p a kWh and our charger is only doing 2 nights a week until my son can afford one.
It's not a tipping point Dave. It's end of year figures skewed by EV quotas. ICE sales are being held back until the new year. Look at the same figures in January and February when ICE cars will catch up and more. Then, the government is looking at reducing the EV quotas going forward. The end of next year will be interesting.
Maybe, but it will also be end of year figures next year and the year after and the year after right up until ICE new sales are banned. I'll take that, thanks
Dave my wife and I both have EVs an love them. I suspect that EV manufacturers have probably been pre registering EV to meet targets and also hold back delivery of new ICE cars until the new year to keep down registrations and meet targets for this years and not pay fines. The government need to encourage people to buy EVs ie lower VAT on new cars and public charging.
They still won’t believe Dave! They are ignorant of any facts that actually prove how good EV’s are! I’ve had one for 4 years and my cost over all those years is just 9.2p per mile! What’s not to like?
Given that the trade has failed to reach the 22% EV requirement every extra ICE car sold this year costs them £15k in fines while every EV sold saves them £53k in fines. It's pretty obvious what is actually going on.
Now go see how many pre-reg ice cars are available…. It’s thousands upon thousands. Now, the biggest problem with the car industry is that they haven’t told their share holders that peak car sales was 2016, and they have been hiding the decline ever since.
@@ColinMill1 When you see an advert on Autotrader that doesn’t show a photo, there could be 10-50 cars behind that, all the same, all not sold. Dealers are refusing to take more stock as they can’t hold it. And to directly respond to your response, the exact same could be said for the pre-reg EVs.
probably not on an ev tariff, 22per kw is about average iirc so dojgn 3miles a kw would be 7p. But 7p is still on par with the most economical ice car. So i dont see the issue with that. I have a cupea born and for the performace, an ice car would be about 20p per mile.
@kcebliks I stand corrected........I still think the vast majority of private owner use the public network far less than that. I haven't purchased my first EV yet but would have only used the public network about once a year over the last 5 years
I don't think these figures are meaningful. They need to be shown as a range, not an average. Home charging ranges from 4p to 35p per KWhr depending on tarrif, like wise remote charging ranges from 33p to 84p without membership discounts and fuel prices range from £1.35 to £1.89 per litre. Using ranges would provide a more meaningful comparison and show that for some, say with work place charging or local Teslas supercharging that they would still be better off than ICE.
Once the vast majority of sales are BEV how do you think the motorist is going to be hammered by the government to make up for fuel duty and tax losses.
My prediction is that before the end of their current term this Government will have laid out the framework for per-mile road pricing. I suspect that we may see this apply to all vehicles. I think fuel duty may be cut at the same time but only to a point where it will be more expensive than EV.
This is a government problem, not an EV v ICE problem. They will shaft us all equally (they’ll probably shaft the ICE a bit more cos of net zero). Make hay whilst the sun shines and BEVs are still taxed more favourably?
Thanks, some amazing stats there, and hard to argue with, but of course the deniers will cling to their interpretation, fleet sales pre reg etc. I am a convert,had an EV for 10 years, but still hard to recommend one to someone without home charging.
Scary figures. The BEV figures only look good because the market as a whole is way down on units sold vs 5 years ago. In reality we're seeing a massive bubble forming with billions of private equity going into charging infrastructure that is betting on ZEV mandates rigging the market so that infrastructure will make a return. If the mandate doesn't hold (and I don't think it will) there's going to be some serious losses
I hate to burst your bubble but the sales arnt going up realistically. dealers are pre registering the cars so they look sold on the system hence why you can get 40% discount on a brand "new" car. also 9 out of ten of them are going to fleets not individuals buying a new car. my company has got 20 EVs in the fleet and 99% who works here drives an ICE car. go to any car park in the country and you can see the numbers.
Ev,s are the future for car, but that is about it .,because the vans are garbage up to 45% discount on auto trader for ev van not fit for purpose it’s a difficult one because of the weight they have to carry I am very lucky to get 80 miles no weight in it and freeze to death
*Dealerships are delaying the sale of I.C.E vehicles until next year because they are desperate to hit the 22% ZEV Mandate. What percentage of those BEV "sales" were registered to the dealerships ? We might see some incredible "used" electric car sales next year.*
Diesel and petrol down BEV up is a direct result of government policy and as long as the government want EV's it will continue. Don't make the mistake of thinking that that means BEV's are better, it's just the way the market is being pushed. For an example of what happens when mandates are further away, incentives are removed, and BEV owners have to pay their share of the road network - in this case with Road Users Charges at the same rate as diesel - look at New Zealand, sales have crashed in 2024 due to government policy. I'm not in the EV or ICE camp.
@@paulbuckingham15 ICE manufacturers, particularly diesel have massively reduced emissions in the last decade or so. Those improvements have all been forgotten about in the rush to EV's
That’s just because you are not rich enough to buy the land to have one installed. In the same way that people that live in flats cannot afford to buy the more expensive home that has home charging. If you were rich enough and have enough land then you could have a filling station at home.
What a retarded comment. I can get to 4 petrol stations within 10 minutes of my home and fill up in less than 10 minutes. The nearest charger is 15 minutes away, singular.
Selective use of data not really hard data. The SMMT figures are new registrations, not actual sales. DVLA publish figures for new cars applications for road fund licence, albeit rather later than the SMMT and broken down by quarter, but likely to be a more accurate representation of actual sales. These show BEV sales were only just over 12% of total sales for the 2nd quarter. Also no mention made of the 5 December SMMT news release which explains how the November figures were achieved and says demand for BEVs remains weak and likely that the 22% target will not be achieved. Outook for 2025 also looks bleak unless government introduces new incentives. Come on Dave really take it on and don't fudge the issue.
For decades you have accepted that a manufacturer supplying a car to a dealer was a sale. We’re all did. It wasn’t. For decades you accepted dealers registering new cars as demonstrators, which they weren’t. China records new cars insured. Factories record cars produced. There’s a multitude of methods. To me Tesla is the only one I trust. Every sale is to a paying customer and also registered for use on the road. The two figures match exactly.
@davetakesiton So you base your accurate sales data on what just one of the manufacturers does? Why not draw attention to an explanation of the database provided by the reliable experts who collected the data in the first place.
Rubbish. ICE car for me is drive through the petrol station on the way out of the Tesco rather then around it. Stop, insert pay card, pull trigger, finish and on my way. 5 min tops. Battery is 1.) drive to Tesco, put car on charge, walk home, go collect car later on. 10min walk each way. 3 hour limit so need to repeat to fully charge. 44p a unit. 2.) drive to local super charger and sit for 20-20minutes whilst charges at 79p a unit. I cannot home charge and work from home. There is absolutely no way that an EV is more convenient for me. What you meant was for people that can charge at home and most journeys can get out and back without charging away from home then an EV is more convenient.
@ I wasn’t referring exclusively to vehicles. Engines objectively are a bigger pain in the ass to maintain, and operate. imagine having an engine powered drill for example, what a pain in the ass that would be. Charge time is irrelevant if you can plug your car in where it’s parked. Almost nobody in there right mind actually “sits”, and waits for there car to charge. Everybody has to stand, and wait for their car to refuel. Remember, I’ve lived BOTH experiences, in my experience, charging is objectively better than refuelling. Because charging a 99.99 percent passive experience. Takes 5 seconds tops of my time to plug it in. Your place of residence does already have EV “fuel” hooked up to it. The only problem that needs to be solved is: how do you run a cable to where the car is parked. That being said. Yes it would be a minor pain in the ass if I had to use public charging exclusively(the way you HAVE to use public fuel stations exclusively), but actively doing engine maintenance is still a bigger pain in the ass than passively waiting for my car to charge.
@@lyfebehyndbars9729 Well unfortunately for you, this is a channel about EV so it is about vehicles. You also said HARD STOP, so you cannot have IF, BUT or MAYBE in your argument,. I say that as in your response your HARD STOP has now been changed to include an IF So let me break down this reply for you., Engines objectively are a bigger pain in the ass to maintain, and operate - Wrong, for the car owner is a very easy.. I walk up to the car, quick visual check that tyres don't need pumping up. Get in car and push start button. I then use the pedals, steering wheel and indicators to make the car move and let people know where I am going at junctions. This is exactly what my mate does with his EV. Exceptionally FEW cars are maintained by the owner. When needs maintenance they chuck it a trained mechanic at a garage. It has washer liquid, oil top up but rest tends to goto the garage and gets done at service time. Charge time is irrelevant if you can plug your car in where it’s parked - Oh Look we have introduced an IF in here. "if you can plug your car in where it’s parked" I thought you said was more convenient HARD STOP so what is this IF in here for now. As I said clearly I cannot charge my car where it is parked normally. So I don't meet your now introduced IF. Almost nobody in there right mind actually “sits”, and waits for there car to charge - You are 100% right here. People don't. You are right because if people had to wait for the car to charge instead of being able to just charge it when it is parked up then they won't buy one. There is a reason why here in the UK and this is a UK based EV Channel then is about 80% of charging of EV done at home. That is why I don't have an EV because as I clearly explained is either leave it at the supermarket and walk home, then walk back and collect it and repeat this to get fully charged as a 3 hour parking limit, or I have to call in at local super charger and wait whilst the car charges. Am only 10 minutes into my journey so don't need to stop and eat, drink or restroom break. Your place of residence does already have EV “fuel” hooked up to it. The only problem that needs to be solved is: how do you run a cable to where the car is parked. Yes the problem is how do you get it too the other side of the road I live in, not an easy problem to solve as involves closing the road to get the cable in a conduit across. It isn't a small problem. With 300 mile + range cars then very few people will be able to drive 300 miles without stopping. I certainly cannot. Most of my driving is dual carriageway/motorway which is 70mph so on an assumption of driving 70mph constant then 3 hours is 210 miles. I find 2 - 21/2 hours tops before I need to stop whether the car does or not. The problem is that without being able to charge the car whilst it is parked at home then when I drive the 80 mile visit to my parents for which with my ICE car I don't stop other then junctions and lights, I have to stop and charge. I don't need to stop for a drink, I don't need to stop for food, I don't need to stop to go the rest room, on that journey but I will need to stop and charge an EV battery unless gone out of my way to charge it before setting off on the journey, A trip to scotland with my ICE Car. Car is already filled up so no need to worry for a while. I set off and about 1 3/4 to 2 hours later stop just after Birmimgham and have Lunch. Car is sat for 20-30mins whilst I eat I stop off later on for the rest room - 5-10 minutes Stop off later for Dinner - car sat about an hour When going past carlisle I call in at the Tesco on the A69 which is just off the M6/A69 junction. Use the toilets, pick up some drinks/snacks and then on the way out call out and spend 5 minutes filling the car up. Call in at carlisle for fuel again Total wasted time - 15 minutes, 5 min night before, 5 min on way up and 5 min on way back. Now EV where cannot charge where it is parked normally. Well I either do two trips to the Supermarket with 10 min walk each way so 40 minute walk too and from the car. There is nothing to do at the supermarket for 3 hours whilst the car charges hence why walk home. Or can call in at Super Charger and wait for 25-30 minutes whilst charges up the night before. Again nothing at the supercharger location and am on the outskirts of the town I live in, why do I need to go get coffee/food etc. So now have the car charged then set off on the journey the next day Start off the journey and about 1 3/4 to 2 hours later stop just after Birmimgham and have Lunch. Car is sat for 20-30mins whilst I eat - I can top up whilst charging and add miles onto the battery I stop off later on for the rest room - 5-10 minutes - more top up Stop off later for Dinner - car sat about an hour - more top up When going past carlisle I call in at the Tesco on the A69 - again top up. Hotel where stop has a charger so can setoff on the way back with full battery again. Total wasted time either 40 minutes walk or 25-30 minutes wait at supercharger. This doesn't even fact in the 7p a unit Home rate charge vs 44p at supermarket or 89p at the superchargers though apparently it seems if go between 10pm and 6am then get 54p at Instavolt supercharger. However that is not when travelling and would still have to wait. So not sure how a 25-30 or 40 minutes if use the slow charger is more convenient then 15 minutes of waiting. As I cannot charge my car where it would be normally then my car has to be taken and left where it would not normally be parked. Now lets make it so I can home charge Car fully charged overnight whilst parked in normal spot - time 0 minutes I am not going to do seconds it takes to plug in and disconnect. Start off the journey and about 1 3/4 to 2 hours later stop just after Birmimgham and have Lunch. Car is sat for 20-30mins whilst I eat - I can top up whilst charging and add miles onto the battery I stop off later on for the rest room - 5-10 minutes - more top up Stop off later for Dinner - car sat about an hour - more top up When going past carlisle I call in at the Tesco on the A69 - again top up. Hotel where stop has a charger so can setoff on the way back with full battery again. So 0 minutes spent waiting for my car which is even better then the 15 minutes spent refueling the car before, on way up and way back. So yes an EV is more convenient IF you can home charge. However that is not an EV is more convenient HARD STOP is it. IF you can home charge, ie charge where your car is parked anyway, then IF buying a brand new car, it is a no-brainer to go EV. Not only is it more convenient in terms of refuelling but it is also cheaper to operate. This is why I corrected your HARD STOP. It is no coincidence that two of the manufacturers that hitting UK targets are BMW and Mercedes who sell premium priced cars so the people buying them are much more likely to live in houses as opposed to flats and so will have the ability to home charge. This is why the ability to home charge is important to people looking at EV's and when they cannot home charge as in charge cheaply where the car is parked anyway they are much less likely to buy one. Dave himself recognises and has said many times himself that there are people for whom EV;s don't work out, so not only are you disagreeing with me, you are also disagreeing with Dave. As many EV channels say they are not here to convince everyone to buy an EV, they are here to correct the misinformation about EV, and you have put out misinformation in the other direction.
@ I’m not reading your essay. (Impressive by the way) but you’re attempting to drag me into a bottomless pit of semantics. I refuse. I stand by my original statement. Batteries ARE easier than engines. hard F-ing stop. I’m quite confident the free market will continue to prove me right. Engines will continue to drop in popularity. Batteries will continue to increase in popularity. Infrastructure will adapt and improve.
@@lyfebehyndbars9729 so you think 40 minutes of walking too and from a car twice to charge the battery or a 25-30 minute wait at a fast charger is more convenient then a 5 minuet stop at fuel pump. How is that semantics?
I had thought you were quite a calm man…… Most legacy makers have done sweet F A. If you don’t agree with these government figures, you’re wrong, get over it. 😂
Can some give more examples for salary sacrifice I have the option at work but a long range basic Tesla for 3 years 20000 with insurance is £689 out of my take home pay so around £1035 from my untaxed pay … a nurse who lives on my street and only been a full time nurse has a q5 sline on her scheme that must cost more than a Tesla surly are people just paying massive amounts for there cars on the schemes
"HEVs" are of course 100% petrol fuelled. So bracketing them with electric is rather bogus. But anyway, so you're now chanelling Steve Ballmer with 'just the facts'. ....
Great news; EVs are really popular, there are no serious issues with range, charging or battery degradation, everything about them is superior to a normal car. So we no longer need to be forced, we can drop the subsidies and mandates now, and let everyone freely choose which they prefer, right?
You can choose to buy whatever car you like, and will be able to for years to come. Quite agree about the subsidies, currently worth around 10 billion a year in the UK. That's on fossil fuels by the way. Meanwhile, here's a debating point for you. The most practical and efficient way of powering an axle is with an electric motor. Discuss.
@@oldgit15 I hear about these fossil fuel subsidies, but can anyone explain how they are applied? Is it an intrinsic thing in how they don't pay for their environmental or health effects?
Well said Dave. Seems a lot of us EV owners in that 20% category….. I’m looking forward to ordering the Xiaomi SU7 Ultra when it comes available. Insane vehicle
New cars sales... Whilst showing us registrations and given you were in the industry you know that the two need not have much of a realtionship, worse you know this is the primary way manufactures manipulate data (I also know this for much the same reasons) why are you spinning the data to prove something that it doesn't? I stopped watching and down voted as you are just a biased shill. If you want to look at the ports where cars are brought in an the holding areas where cars held before pre-inspection you will find them over flowing with ICE cars. Those ARE sold but their owners can't have them until January and you know why. Please show some balance! Try buying an ICE car - you are not allowed anymore as they cost 15K each in fines. EV sales will only rise now because if you want a car only an EV will be easily purchased and there will be some cracking pre reg deals available. I will be watching the used price of ICE cars I suspect they will be strong and EV used prices will come under pressure as the registered ones actually come onto the market as second hand. After all it's basically on delivery mileage at 60% the price. Good for the consumer, catastrophic for the dealers and manufacturers.
Excellent comment unfortunately Dave is a bit biased in my opinion to EVs, and seems incapable of taking a balanced view, and looking at all the other feeds on RUclips then coming up with a more reasoned argument for EV against ICE. But he is entitled to his view as we are. 😊
@@bwarey52The same report states that the £4b in discounts for EVs is unsustainable, manufacturers are trying to avoid the £15k fine on each ICE car sold even to holding customers orders back until next year.
@@bwarey52 No idea but it will be large. I will answer another question though next year 72% of all cars sold will be ICE cars because that is the quota it's uneconomic to sell anymore and alot of people will not be allowed to have one. It's already bad, I waited 8 months for mine, with calls every week about how I could swap to an EV and have it in the drive next week. It will get worse only people they like will be allowed an ICE car, bit like Rolex's in the pandemic only the best customers were allowed to buy one.
@martynayshford4318 when you say it's bad,is it really that bad. If this was a operation waiting list or cancer treatment I can see why people might be outraged but this is a car,you just use it to move around from A to B
There is definitely a lull in nay sayers conspiracy theorists and general EV haters on RUclips now, most now realizing that there is probably more money in EV than ice oh how the mighty have fallen (you know who you are )
Just supplied a guy with an new EV, whose own EV had gone back to the retailer after 3 days, 3 months ago. He had a front light cluster go. Requires technical support to get it fixed. Its leased, would he spend his own money on one, a big fat NO.
What, you mean the front light needed coding in? You do realise that's a 'modern car' thing not an 'electric car' thing? Anyway, I rather smell the whiff of BS here, sorry.
Strange story! Never heard of warranty???? Nobody pays for repairs for the first few years and manufacturers and leasing companies are legally obliged to supply a replacement car. Sure sounds like FUD to me
If front light cluster went on a modern BMW ICE you would have to send it back to manufacturer for warranty repair too. Not going to fix a laser light yourself.
😂😂😂 Motability and dealers pre registering EVs to avoid the £15k fine. Zapmap data showing the age group is the prime Motability age. They also get the charger included. Government stats highlight that well over 50% of homes have no ability to charge at home.
@@crm114.And? In the same SMMT report 'EV uptake rises as manufacturers continue unprecedented discounts totalling £4 billion this year' and 'Battery electric vehicle (BEV) registrations, meanwhile, rose for an eleventh successive month, up 58.4% to 38,581 units, representing 25.1% of the overall market but driven by heavy manufacturer discounting. With the best market share since December 2022,2 November is just the second month this year in which BEV uptake has reached mandated levels3, albeit against the backdrop of a declining overall market.'
Yet an RAC study found that around 60% of EV owners do charge at home.... For many EV owners, the ability to charge at home on cheaper off-peak rates, is/was a major factor in their decision to get an EV in the first place....
@@Brian-om2hh Errr, thats EV owners and not households full stop. If you buy an EV then it makes sense you'd be able to charge at home, those that don't no doubt have a workplace charger they are able to use.
This year we got two surveys about EV owners intention to go back to ICE. McKinsey, a consulting company with a dodgy record (see Enron and Oxycontin), said 46% would go back (US number). And GEVA, an alliance of EV enthusiast groups found 1% would (well, they're gonna enthuse, ain't they). Each credulously reported into the FUDosphere (ahem*electricviking** on the latter). The Zapmap numbers at 5:30 seem like actual research- something like 5-15% planning or open to getting another ICE. In line with Tesla loyalty numbers above 90%.
The Electro Viking guy is pushing the Chinese EVs more than it would be reasonably expected from an impartial person. In addition, he’s linked to the solar installers, most of his videos have the solar promo comments pinned.
@ComeJesusChrist Hardly impartial. In addition to sloppy reporting, he always has to get in a dig at non-Tesla EVs. And if and when Xi blockades Taiwan, a Chinese car is the last thing I want in my driveway. He's been priming his public for years.
@@catnaplappdx5001 The guy is clearly funded to cover Chinese models. Every week, there are numerous ‘game-changing’ hopes and fairytales that never really materialise. Who would trust the Chinese, anyway who have plenty of vehicles and minerals to sell, but are well-known to subsidise their I dirty and falsify sales records, putting aside the fact that because they are confiscating mopeds, bicycles, cars and exercise other methods, there is an artificially maintained market for EVs there. When it’s extortionate or very difficult to buy anything else, of course more people opt for EVs.
The cult evangelists on here is so funny. At best guess only 50% of households can charge at home, a stumbling block right there. Add the expense of charging away from home, the depreciation, the cost of replacement batteries/cells and EVs wont be the choice of the majority. Oh, and now youre paying VED and new car tax that will put folk off even more. The SMMT report highlights the discounting on EVs and state it cannot continue.
@@davetakesiton Odd you didn't mention the SMMT report stating the £4b discounting on EVs can't be maintained. Fleet news, the section of industry making the bulk of new EV sales, says 56% of households can potentially charge an EV. Google must know better than an industry paper. The increase in EV registrations has zero to do with the £15k 'fine' being imposed by government, right? The EV evangelists, like you, assume that every comment about EVs comes from a hatred of the tech, it isn't. There is a place for it, but at this time it isn't for everyone and anyone with a modicum of commonsense knows that. The cognitive dissonance from your subscribers is amazing, zealots defending a purchase at any cost. Like all zealots there is no other pathway but the one they follow.
@@crm114.Another zealot. You assume raising concerns equates to being anti EV, which shows you are blinkered to the wider problems of EV ownership. Would you defend, with such fervour, someone saying that certain ICE cars have problems in the longterm that they were wrong? Engines fail, batteries fail but one costs substantially more to repair/replace than the other.
@@crm114. The same tired old - long debunked - nonsense..... And the VED was hardly worth mentioning. My Kia EV has literally saved me thousands of pounds by no longer having to buy petrol during the time I've had it. Even if VED was £300 per year (it won't be) I still won't be ringing the Samaritans if I'm saving well over £2k per year on petrol.
Agghhh! Well....erm...🤔 er 🤔...let me think....🤔...Mmmmm...just a minute, i'll just check-in with the shed driver Geoff & the Mac Master baiter.... back in a mo... ... ... ..... ...... ........Ah yes, thats right....its all because people are buying EV's as cheap CHRISTMAS PRESENTS..🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 it's .....I.C.E CARRNAGGGE 😱😱😱 😂🤣🤣😂
Sometimes I disagree with Dave, but this video is spot on. He didn’t quite say it, BUT IT’S TIME TO STOP PANDERING TO STUPID. I’m quite happy for people to say “I don’t want an electric car”, but now is the time to just shut people down if they are talking bull about electric cars. My current favourite is “I’m sorry that you aren’t clever enough to embrace the change”.
Ultra rapid charging, not so when they are throttled due to high demand. 6.7 KW at Gloucester services this weekend the sign said. Don't think that's very high is it .
Dave the SMMT get their sales data from pre regs that haven't actually been sold,I'm a transport driver and get real info,And I'm not surprised seeing the same ev's at the back of dealers week after week,yesterday i had 12 ice cars on,It's all lies about ev sales🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@ianhamilton3113Again you don't get it do you, EVs are being pre registered to avoid the £15k 'fine' being imposed, ICE are pre registered to meet monthly/annual dealer targets to get financial benefits from manufacturers.
@ Yes, I know. One minute manufacturers are holding back ICE sales till next year and the next they are preregistering them for the dealer discounts. Run with whatever story fits your narrative.
Wow I love hearing the truth about real figures from people in mundane non related jobs (not data collection) expose the professional bodies are lying. BTW a few cars round the back of a specific garage means absolutely nothing
You’ve never driven one then? The response and performance is truly next generation, like steam to petrol. Only genuine reasons for diesel is towing or truly remote work (and I mean the desert rather than the Lake District) Petrol in hot hatches and sports cars are still more fun, but only on a track with corners.
Don't listen to this complete prat. EV sales are not increasing, dealers are pre-registering EVs in order to meet government targets and avoid fines. Pre-registered vehicles count as sales on the statistics, but they're not actually sold. Airfields and storage facilities all over the UK are full of hundreds of thousands of pre-registered EVs that nobody want's to buy. It's a complete mess, and it's destroying the motor trade.
Pre registering vehicles is a tactic that's been going on for years, long before EVs arrived. Why suddenly get all concerned about it now? The motor trade is having to change, in exactly the same way that everything does as technology progresses - don't be scared of it, its going to happen anyway.
@@oldgit15 Pre-registering vehicles has never happened on this scale before. The numbers are truly terrifying. It's crippling the motor industry, and destroying used values in equal measure.
What makes me laugh is this fantasy that you save money on servicing if you own an EV. That's utter rubbish. The manufacturer will require a service every year to maintain the warranty. Nissan wanted £275 to service my Leaf. When I asked what they serviced they told me the pollen filter. Tyres seem to wear out faster on an EV due to heavier cars and more powerful torque. The next quarter will reveal the smoke from the fire when dealers and manufacturers are unable to register any more vehicles. I could be wrong but ......... strap in .............
My Leaf was as expensive to service hence why we didn't buy another. Hyundai is way cheaper than leaf and Skoda it replaced and My model 3 has no requirement.
I get my Leaf serviced every two years whether it needs it or not. Cleevely Motors have mobiles that do it a your home. Last one cost me £160. You need to shop around.
Let’s not ignore the fact that I can SALSAC a EV for £10000 a year including maintenance tyres and insurance and get £4200 tax saved. If I got that tax saving on petrol I’d never ever consider an EV. There are lies and statistics
On to my second BEV and have never regretted switching from ICE (my diesel car burst into flames). Salary Sacrifice through work made the whole process so easy and actually affordable...for a brand new car. Charging at home makes it very cheap to run and a trip to Chester Zoo was remarkably uneventful. And the stats you provided, no surprise the North East is at the bottom of the charger table, we don't even have a proper motorway so everyone uses the M6 over on the West side 🫤
Two weeks into my first EV. Nobody on this earth could persuade me to go back to ICE!
Im 5 months in to my first BEV and I wont EVER go back to ICE so much nicer to drive and so cheap to run as I can charge at home for less than 8p a Kw overnight, its a no brainer :)
Wait until you do a long summer trip or try to charge beyond Exeter going to Cornwall. Local driving is fine for EV's charging at home but a headache when driving further, I know because I had an EV for 2 years and won't go back. I just hope you didn't buy your EV. How long do you think cheap night time energy prices will last when more cars need charging at night ? Supply and demand just like economy 7 was killed off. Good luck.
@@RBcymru I believe that you make 300 miles every day, right? Do you know what the solar panels are and how much do they cost? If the power price rises then it will make sense to add solar panels on the roof, a couple of batteries and voila, you can charge at home for free. Not actually free, but it will be much cheaper than what you say that the price of power will skyrocket. A good bunch of solar panels and 10Kwh batteries cost around 10-20k plus 10-15k to install them and you will have power made on your roof for at least the next 20-25 years. If you spread the cost it looks like it will cost you 1000-1500 for every year of their life. I used to pay more for diesel and I had to pay to service my car too.
Oh, I forgot the bonus, you will have free power to your home too. Can you tell me how will you make a liter of diesel or patrol at home? I still remember how the price of the diesel went from £1 to £1.80 in a few monthhs when a war started, or somebody in middle east had a fight with his wife.
60+% of households cannot charge at home and would have to use commercial charge points, ie more expensive than ICE.
@@Man_v_Cars Who told you that? I can charge for 44p at Tesla chargers, that's cheaper than my old patrol car. You can have a subscription that can offers you a huge discount on many chargers. See Electroverse card, that's the firts that came in my mind but there are more. I can charge at work for 40p too.There are many solutions if you want. If you don't want you just stay with your ICE spreading cancer and death every time you turn the engine on. If you think that your selection is above my health, no, I am sorry but you can't have that option. ICE cars are dead.
@@RBcymru Yes, done Cambridge to wales, Cambridge to Cornwall, Cambridge to Yorkshire, Cambridge to lake district several times. Each time, found charger, plugged in, sometimes went for pee, sometimes had a coffee, sometimes had lunch. Never waited more than an Ice car - since I was doing stuff in parallel (fuelling and peeing), while in an ICE car I would have to fill with petrol, move car, go for pee.
So yep, no problem, easy, never once had a problem; even in my wifes e208 which has limited range.
Just got my first full EV, gone is my horrid phev, the battery was the best part of it so I went full EV. So far it’s been easier than a petrol, no stopping at dirty garages, just plug in at home in the evening. The very occasional public charging has been a breeze, I was expecting the worse but it was again, easier than petrol. Plug in, tap card, come back after a coffee.
Worst public charging experience I had was last week. Plugged into a charger and strolled across to the pub for lunch. They were full, could not feed us. But in the seven minutes we were in the pub, gained more than enough charge to reach our destination(s). Then topped up in Norwich while shopping.
That's interesting. I can visit any pub any time I like.
If it's too busy I can jump back in the car and go to another. It doesn't need any special facilities other than those I want, food and a bathroom. But that sounds a lot of fun.
@@SteveLomas-k6kSo can I in my Tesla as I rarely travel more than 300 miles when I visit a pub.
@@crm114. That's a bit like a guy with a walker saying it's no trouble because he never walks more than 50 yards anyway..
Of course you don't drive very far in your EV, most people don't, for good reason.
@@SteveLomas-k6kFunny, I drove from Salisbury to Warwick and back recently without having to charge and it cost me less than £5 in electrons.
Just wanted to finally thank Dave (and EV man) for all the useful info over the last couple of years. After lots of research, I got my second hand Model 3 LR last year ( along with Solar panels, home battery, heat pump & obviously car charger ). We did a 4 week road trip in the summer with stops in France, Switzerland, Italy, Germany & Belgium. Just under 3400 miles in total, including some street charging (Germany) and motorway tolls (France, Switzerland & Italy) came to £412! Needless to say, I would never go back to ICE.
Good that you are enjoying you're EV.
Just would like Dave to stop leaving gaps and reading out from some flawed reports, so people can have a balanced opinion and decide what they buy from that!
Perhaps more would buy EV's if he and others weeded out the misinformation and not just point out all the pros of EV's!
3,500 miles in a twenty year old car averaging 6 litre per 100km (47 imperial mpg) at £1.3 per litre would have cost £424, with no need to invest tens of thousands into the vehicle, infrastructure, degrading batteries and so on.
Took my MG4 from France where I live to Spain despite the slightly dodgy charging infrastructure in Spain just for the pure pleasure of driving ( on one pedal drive ) thru the Pyrannees . Had one bad experience with a charger where the App was unuseable but soon found another with no problems . Never going back .
To Spain, or ICE?
Kidding!
You only have to look around as you drive to see the ever growing number of EVs on the roads. People are seeing through the lies and misinformation and realising how cheap they are to run and how nice they are to drive.
Yes, 11 months ago when i moved into my new house I was the only person in the road eith an EV.
Today there are 12 EV's in my road....and two hybrids...so niw less than 25% of vehicles in my road are petrol or diesel.
The word is obviously getting around!
Finally bought a 2nd hand BEV so I believe this is definitely a tipping point in EV adoption. I represent Mr Average and I believe the time is right with last mile delivery also adopting EVs. Battery storage is possibly the main critical development along with improvements in greater range due to improved battery chemistry. Thanks Dave and please continue to keep us informed.
Our first winter with a EV. It's 40F out and the ev is pumping out hot air immediately after turning it on. Costs $13 to add 200 miles at home. We only charged it with 120 volt - level 1. Average person drives less than 45 miles to work and you can add 45 miles of charge overnight at 120v. Skip waiting for the gas pump to come free and buy an EV.
A great video, keep them coming Dave 👏
Just about to pull the plug on my first EV, Genesis GV60, thanks for the info ℹ️ and updates 👍🏽
Are there similar data / charts for the US, EU, Australia and Asia? Thank you!
Great video Dave👍😊 We are in Australia (Brought up,in UK) and have had a EV for 3yrs not going back. We have far less charging infrastructure here than you but in March this year we a drive from one side of Australia to the other and back 12,000km. YES you can do a long drive in an EV. PS our Tesla model 3 is by far the most reliable vehicle we have ever owned (New Dec 2021) and never been back to the garage for anything, our last 5 private cars were all new ICE Toyotas and VWs just so you know… EVs are the future.
Sorry Dave, but all the progressive channels like yours concerning green tech, just attracts the emotional hate trolls. Seemingly going out of their way to comment/watch channels they hate. ‘Confused admirers’ is a kind description I’ve heard, people hate change it threatens their status quo & forces something they detest more than exercise - thinking!
They don't think they just re-arrange their prejudices
Perhaps we see the skimming over of dealers pre registering EVs and Motability pushing EVs onto users.
We love these haters, every comment thhey make, every argument they start, it's good for the channel. Yhe YT algorithm counts how many comments every video makes, how many conversations etc and the videos with the best scores are ighher on the search. We love them because they give Dave's channel so much publicity and more and more people come to the channel.
Says the cult member.@@stevenbarrett7648
nothing ever changes, the same a hundred years ago or more, walk in front with a red flag etc. ALL my life (I am now 77) we have always regarded ice vehicles as the norm of course. This is the first disrupter in my life time. No wonder everybody is moving into their corners, when I was a teenager in the UK, you had to be a Mod or a Rocker, so this is just the same stuff cloaked in new cloths. Here in NZ we have the privilege of selling most of our foodstuffs to a willing buyer, China, hence no tariffs etc, So we get all their vehicles at quite a reasonable price, as long as you can afford one of course. I have an MG ev and it has been faultless for 2 years. I also own a widtrak and it cost me heaps to run. In the new year I will test drive the new Shark 6 PHEV, the interest here is ballistic to say the least, our local NZ 'ecotricity' channel has had way over 600k views, a record that will be hard to beat in the future. The reason is obvious to us, we all love our 'utes' or pick ups here, and so do the Ausis even more so. This is a turning point, about 80km or more on pure ev and a petrol engine range extender to take it up to about 800km. H3ere we do not have to cross over deserts etc, so it will be a big hit!.
I would like to see Zapmaps math and use cases for those figures; my last ICE was costing me £2250 per year, for barely 1,000 miles; that was possibly the worse case for a big engine, nearly 100% sub 2 mile trips, so the engine never got warm - and in a very hilly area, and rarely fast enough to reach 5th gear.
My old EV, on exactly the same route - cost me about £80 per year; even now, driving around 10,000 miles (daughter moved to a school much further away); my estimated yearly cost for electricity is £200; my calculation for that old ICE, is around £2400, even allowing an extra 25% in MPG, due to the engine getting a bit warmer.
(Charging at home at 8p per kwh).
Thanks Dave. Great and encouraging information! Could you maybe leave the tables and graphs up a little longer? Maybe I'm slow, but before I'm able to absorb what information is being presented, you're on the next one!
Point taken I’ll try to leave them up longer
I’m a Tesla owner in Belgium, I love your channel Dave and fully support your pro EV position. It’s so obviously common sense that EVs are the future that it’s frustrating to see the benighted opposition. I understand it though - before getting my model Y company car I too was anti EV. Based on skepticism of climate change politics. I have to say that Sparky my model Y (he has a name) has won me over single handed. All range and charging phobia has been dispelled by experiencing the relative ease and reliability of charging - not perfect but sufficient t to allow long journeys without fear of stranding. Plus all the other cool stuff in an EV. I most definitely will never return to ICE. The thought kind of nauseates me. The technology developments of EVs and their batteries in China are for me exciting and inspiring. Sadly, a lot of the ongoing resistance to EVs is racist - EVs are seen as Chinese, with some justification. That old problem of conservative racism in the U.K. will only be solved one funeral at a time. To end with Churchill’s words, “don’t let the buggers get you down”! Love and peace
Great one Dave, EV sales are going one way and that is up! The figures will start to grow exponentially very soon and it will be totally undeniable to everyone.
Lets ignore dealers pre registering evs to avoid the 'fine' for not meeting targets and Motability pushing users onto electric thanks to the government.
Keep living in your denial corner. I have had 2 EV’ s now but previously had 12 ICE cars including Astra GTE a V6 and Audi A4, A6 and Q5. I have not missed any of them. Acceleration in my EV is so much better, I don’t have to drive to a petrol station to fill up, just letting it charge whilst I sleep. Cost of just over 2p per mile. Also no oil leaks or break pad dust all over the wheels.
I will never own another ICE cars. As more people understand the benefits that are in an EV as more friends and relatives get them the more will swap.
@@Man_v_Cars - oh dear, the issue is that the stats show not much extra pre-registration is taking place, after all what with the EV depreciation levels everyone keeps shouting about why would a delear/automaker take on a car they'll have to sell at a big loss. Paying the penalty would be much cheaper for them, which btw analysis has show only the luxury brands will likely be doing this year (and they've factored the cost in to the price of the luxury cars anyway).
Most motability users are more than happy for an EV, they're cheaper to run, safer and easier to drive and can be adapted more specifically to their needs plus it's not forced those without the access to charging can choose otherwise.
@GruffSillyGoat And yet the report highlights the discounts being offered and states the cannot continue. £15k 'fine' per ICE car sold if EV targets aren't met, I wonder why they're pre registering EVs.
'on which the sector is offering record discounts. While this is providing some success, the scale of discounting, worth some £4 billion across 2024, is unsustainable and poses a risk to future consumer choice and UK economic growth.' The SMMT report.
Yep some quarters are asking for change to the ZEV mandate but there is a bit of a disagreement between them as to what that is:
- some automakers and dealerships, those referenced in the SMMT commentary, are asking for government incentives for EVs (half the rate of VAT for EVs for three years, etc.) to be introduced as they want to restore higher levels of profit on their vehicles seeking for the government (or more accurately the tax payer) to pay for this profit hike. They are having to discount beacuse the price differential between their ICE and EV products is too great, impacting their sales. Also, the depreciation of the EVs due to being overpriced also impacts their financial arms as they bear the leasing risk due to the used market pricing at a more relistic level (the discounts and incentives the automakers mention being leasing tied discounts and lower rates, increasing exposure). This is partly because they are not manufacturing their EVs as efficiently as other automakers, and partly they got the market wrong and timed their entry too late with a half baked strategy, seeking for EVs to still be a premium product it was in the early-adopter phase but the market has moved on. The ZEV mandate is a excuse and influence vehicle to launch their wants and desires at the government.
- some automakers, car importers and charge point organisation are lobbying the government to *_not_* change the ZEV mandate as it suits them better.
- a number of automakers are on the fence, as they've hit their targets but are saying if the government does change the ZEV mandate then they want a piece of the pie as well or at least any changes performed do not imapct them particularly compared to others.
- a few automakers - mainly the premium luxury ones don't really care they'll produce their products anyway and just raise the price - their cliental can afford it anyway.
- some dealerships - typically self-represented want the whole thing to go away and go back to the days of yore of having ICE cars they could build good revenue streams off.
The government is saying the 2030 date is not changing nor are the ZEV mandate levels, but they will consider other things without saying what - most likely the penalty levels in the early years of the mandate and tweaking some of the rules (such as the converstion level and rate of low CO2 credits from hybrids to ZEV mandate credits).
Some of the automakers are moving in the right direction, introducing more affordable smaller EVs rather than larger premium priced models they've done to date - reflecting more what China has done in their EV adoption strategy. For some automakers this is a bit of a uncomfortable approach as it conflicts with their strategy, since before EVs took hold on, of pruning out cheaper smaller ICE models and increasing prices of what remained, driving buyers away from cash/third-party personal loan purchases into the arms of their inhouse finance houses to make more group profit (one of the primary drivers of the shift from private sales to lease sales that has been shifting for years).
This is why the SMMT letter to the government was worded the way it was regarding:
- _"unsustainable"_ for the automakers to continue with their strategy of selling high priced cars tailored for finance packages, transitioning the ownership model to leasing. The ZEV mandate aids the adoption of EVs that upsets the status quo exposing automakers to direct competition with more affordable Chinese, Korean and pure-EV brands. The automakers cannot offset the loss of revenue by selling increased volumes of higher priced 'premium' ICE vehicles due to the mandate's stepped levels.
- _"posing risk to future consumer choice"_ will become difficult to offer ICE cars as is purposefully intended by the ZEV mandate; will be forced to align models that compete with the Chinese, Korean and pure-EV. One where the automakers cannot sidestep the competition by offering ICE models the competition doesn't offer.
- _"UK economic growth"_ cheaper cars will generate lower financial service revenue and taxes. This isn't UK production point as the UK is shifting it's production base to making EVs already, many sites already upgraded or underway. Luton's closure being due to the ZEV mandate is more of excuse as it was already being upgraded to EV production - instead Stellantiis is lowering its costs by consolidating its production facilities across Europe (like other automakers are as well).
As to this year's ZEV mandate none of the automakers, unless they explicitly intending to be, will face significant penalties under the scheme this year. This is beacuse the scheme has a number of mechanisms in it to offset the impact including being able ot convert overproduction of low CO2 vehicle (hybrid) credits to ZEV mandate credit. Hence the push on hybrid as well as battery EV sales this year alongside the lowering of petrol/diesel sales levels. New Automotion have an analysis of the individualised targets for specific automakers.
Pre-registering is a simple answer to a complex question, and not one the automakers/dealership would seek to overuse as it eats significantly into revenue (similar with other 'internsal sales' methods). This has always been the case which is why pre-registration is restricted to a tiny percentage of sales; there were similar claims of petrol cars being pre-registered when they started outselling diesels again a number of years back, but it turned out to be dieselgate was starting to bite.
My EV is a company car (1 year old) and I love it so much I plan on buying it off the company when I retire in two years time.
If EVs came out years ago, offering something related to what they do nowadays, would anyone be queuing up for an ICE vehicle? Probably not?
I think electric vehicles did come out first but the batteries where not up to much back then.
It would all come down to running and capital cost. The difference EV vs ICE with automatic gearbox is tiny.
@@SweBeach2023 I’ve had a couple of diesels and a lot of petrol cars over many years of driving and none of them were capable of driving 1000 miles for £17. But my Tesla can. No service costs, not even a service schedule. I’ve had mine for 4 years in Jan 2025 and the only thing I’ve paid for is a new set of tyres. I’m now on 48,000 miles. I personally would never go back to an ICE vehicle through choice.
@ yes, you’re absolutely right - maybe I should have phrased it better.
Yep, electric vehicles were around before internal combustion but they weren’t popular.
Having purchased my next EV in the last week what i can say is many of the car makers are offering good deals on EVs at the moment to try and get thier sales up closer to the government targets before the end of the year.
I recently got my first EV through work and I can honestly say I wouldn't go back to an ICE car. It is much more relaxing to drive and the instant torque is very usable in real-world, pulling gout of junctions, overtaking, etc, and theirs no kick-down during overtakes or lag of any kind. Everyone thinks EV's are expensive, but ICE cars aren't exactly cheap anyway. I had a BMW 330i before lockdown, I couldn't afford the new version now even if I wanted one, but I can afford a Model 3. Legacy car makers have done too little for too long and are simultaneously producing too many different models. To survive they need to move on, embrace EV as the current plan to make both EV and ICE means they are just too expensive and inefficient. And in the case of BMW, overpriced and poorly made. And ugly
Dave, the 30GW figure (8:05) may be reflecting the average rate of energy transferred (power) determined over a month rather than the amount of energy stored within the vehicles on that month (which would be a GWh figure). I'm slightly confused about your commentary about rapid/ultra-rapid chargers the chart at 9:55, you say Instavolt are mainly fast charger and that Tesla are ultra-rapids, but the graph is for rapid/ultra rapids only not fast chargers. If you meant this as a more generalised observation it seems to ignore that Tesla also have a destination slow & fast charger network in the UK.
Also, the comparative statement (9:55 & 10:45) that Tesla are 150kW and Instavolt are 50kW is unclear how this was determined, as Instavolt have a much bigger network (sites) in the UK than Tesla that includes rapid (50-149kW) chargers whereas Tesla's doesn't offer rapid chargers. However, using Zapmap it seems that for slow & fast chargers (3 to 49kW) and ultra-rapid chargers (150kW+), where both firms offer facilities, then Instavolt have more sites in both categories. Hence I wonder how you determined the observation that Tesla have more ultra-rapids than Instavolt, have you counted up the individual charge point connections of each provider for example?
I’m in the can’t charge at home group? Even though I charge from home overnight.
Why is charging with a three pin plug not classified as charging from home?
Yep, we've got two EV's and charge with a 3 pin socket. .
(USA) I charge on a 110 volt socket in my garage or take advantage of the free solar powered charge at a local park when I'm out for a walk. Never have a problem. I definitely can charge at home. Not taking into account mooching off the local park, I pay about 2.7 U.S. cents per mile. That''s half of what my Prius used to cost!
@ it costs me 3.4p per mile here 🇬🇧 on a 230v outlet. An average petrol car would cost 14p per mile, however I have a high performance EV an equivalent petrol car would cost 24p per mile.
Because there is no mechanism to count it. All new fixed home chargers have to be 'smart units' which means they monitor usage, and can cancel a charge in dire circumstances.
I have had mine years, and is a dumb unit and I like it like that. In the future charging the EV will not be on the same rate as the house - it's already the case with some tariffs from Octopus Energy, at the moment it is cheaper - but I predict it will be more.
I also suspect that AC charging will soon be a thing of the past - I am sure the government want control over it the same as they do now with petrol cars. In the next 15 years is my prediction for DC only charging cars. Remember where you heard it first !
Surely if the 3 pin socket you use to charge is at your home, then you must be charging at home. I can't see how you are not....
Love the shirt Dave!
That's a lot of work there Dave putting all the information together - thank you.
They always say lies, damn lies and statistics! You can get several points from view from all the data.
It will be interesting to see how this progresses over 2025. I feel BEVs may flatline somewhat and PHEVs will continue to grow.
Dave just sold my Toyota C-HR GR Sport and bought a new MG4 Trophy. Couldn’t be happier. Faster, smoother, way cheaper to run. Charger was £1350 and charging it at home. Averaging 3.5 mile/kwh so about 200 range town commute in winter ❄️.
You say sales are up but your data shows registrations? I'm told that manufacturers are having to register cars to meet government targets but a huge percentage of these go to storage sites so they are not actual sales.
Be quiet you, the cult members don't think EVs get pre registered. 😅
A sale for SMMT and Tesla is when a car is registered. A sale according to legacy auto is when a car is transferred to the dealer. Which do you prefer? Pre-reg is used by legacy but is very short term as they soon run out of money and end up owning thousands of used cars that are worth less than they cost to build
But if these cars supposedly go to storage sites, then where did last Month's stored cars end up? And where will the next Month's cars go?
@@Brian-om2hhThe same place ICE cars go, storage sites.
@@Brian-om2hh By all accounts the sites are just getting bigger.
Kris need to be better at picking , cheaper public chargers...😊 thanks dave great work
After your massive data presentation I can just imagine the well-reasoned and convincing rebuttals you will get such as "No" and "BS".
I think we will still get the old, good „evs catch fire” or „your battery will die after 2 years” or „” my diesel Passat can drive 700miles without refueling” 😉
Or are these ev sales just mass pre-registrations ? Also could it be that ICE vehicle deliveries have been put back to the new year to reduce manufacturers ZEV mandate fines ?
We will have to see the figures in January to find out. I look forward to Dave's video going through the January sales data in the same amount of detail.
@@daveyjack1959 - bingo, the pre-reg one appeared shortly after the video came up.
@GruffSillyGoat 🤣😂🤣
Soooo predictable!
So the reason now is... because 🎄IT'S CHRISTMAS 🎄😂
Most "sales" are lease and company cars so we need the TRUE sales figures. My local Cupra dealer caused out rage when he sold pre registered Born's from another garage in June this year with up to £7000 off list price because no one was buying them. This devalued thousands of cars bought from them. The dealer now doesn't sell many EV's. Avonmouth docks in Bristol is struggling to store un sold MG 4 EV's.
Dave in Sheffield we have Tesla chargers but only for Tesla cars, how can we get them open to all event seen a Tesla charging in months.
Pre registrations and held back ice due to targets and fines. I have been convinced by others.
The truth will out to some extent when January sales data is released.
But what about all the petrol and Diesel pre regs?......the targets only get stricter next year so there digging a hole if they are holding them back till the new year. I personally think that PHEV"s sales will drop off rapidly soon as all the people who bought them in fear of going full BEV will have realised they almost drive exclusively drive on battery only so might as well make the change
@bwarey52 Sometimes you have to dig a hole and hope something can then be done about it later.
I don't know if you have seen the graphs of PHEVs sales from Norway I think. They drop off very fast once people have understood and feel confident with BEVs
Still, if that is the case, theres pent up demand for petrols, which will either push people to EVs, or increase prices for petrols.
And on the other side, theres pre registered EVs searching for buyers.
The point of the law is to increase EV sales. If its succeeding in a round about way, that doesn't seem like a bad thing.
Why convinced? The logic is flawed, the cost of pre-registering an EV at the volume required would impact the automakers and dealers more than the cost of paying the penalty - what with EV depreciation that is also championed by some quarters then the automakers surely maker a loss on every pre-reg EV eventually sold plus displace another EV sale at nearer to full asking price.
Those making the claims also seem to be unaware of the find details of the workings of the ZEV mandate scheme, particularly when there are so many examptions/reliefs in way the ZEV mandate counts work. Automakers can even convert over-production of CO2 credtis from their hybrids to ZEV mandate credits - so why would they hold back sales of these if more sales help them hit the 22% target.
Even the press are acknowledging, The Telegrift even, that the pre-reg rate is around 2% presently, not outside of the typical background rate. Plus New Automotion have analysed each automakers exposure and determined for the majority none will be hit by penalties this year, excepting those luxury brands who have just built the penalty into the price of their ICE cars. The noise in the press from the dealers/automakers at the moment is about next years target not this years, otherwise they would have made noise much earlier.
Interestingly, some quarters are pushing back with car importers, some automakers and charge point operators arguing that the ZEV mandate shouldn't be changed. Rather it's the dealerships mainly who are arguing for it to be dropped or targets changed, whereas the automakers are asking for more incentives on EVs to help raise sales. All in all a bit of a mess, but it seems the government is holding strong saying it will not be changing the 2030 date nor the ZEV mandate levels but are open on other aspects - perhaps revised penalty levels and tweaking of the rules.
@@bwarey52 They are digging a hole but they are trying to survive today, next year is next year, things can change and if they don't they will have to deal with it then.
Nothing complicated.
Have my ev for 3 years now. The best car i have ever had. I dont think its too far away that the penny will drop that ev's are the only one to buy. Most of the haters have never driven or even sat in an ev. They dont know what they are missing. PHEV cars are a mith, most owners never charge the battery, what a waste of money. Love the channel Dave, look forward to more to come. Take care and merry christmas.
Many drivers like me will never own another EV. Unless you are retired and do local driving EV's don't make sense. My 2022 was supposed to do 264 miles then 234 after "new marketing" in 2023 but struggled to do 110 miles on the motorway in winter from 80% to 10% battery so 143 miles from 100% to 0%.
@@RBcymru What EV is that?
Ev's are 6-8 year throw aways end of story.
Your just ignorant. End of story.
@@jamie-hb8gyget a life, that argument is old, tired and has been debunked so many times it's not funny anymore
I can't charge at home but just took delivery of an ioniq 5, long range , fast recharge. I only have to charge once a week for 20 to 35 min . It's not really an inconvenience. Ps mu son just bought a 2nd hand tesla model 3 today and he can't charge at home either. I am hoping eventually that technology will catch up and allow me to use public chargers tied to my home electric contract who knows what the future will bring?
Large repair bills and depreciation is your future
@@mblake0420 Get a life. All you're doing is trolling. Nobody is going to take you serious.
@@mblake0420I’d like to see your data
you need to make Friends with a local EV driver with offroad parking and come to a mutual arrangement. I get 7p a kWh and our charger is only doing 2 nights a week until my son can afford one.
@@mblake0420 yawn, this the best you can come up with?
Most odd, the top models has the vw golf and polo yet we ship way more tiguans than golfs and polos combined.
'We'?
@ ‘We’ deliver VWs for lease.
Charging at home is $0.16 per kilowatt-hour. At a public charger is $0.29 or 0.39 or 0.69. Save big by charging at home.
Now go check out the costs in the UK and be grateful.
It's not a tipping point Dave. It's end of year figures skewed by EV quotas. ICE sales are being held back until the new year. Look at the same figures in January and February when ICE cars will catch up and more. Then, the government is looking at reducing the EV quotas going forward. The end of next year will be interesting.
Maybe, but it will also be end of year figures next year and the year after and the year after right up until ICE new sales are banned. I'll take that, thanks
Dave my wife and I both have EVs an love them.
I suspect that EV manufacturers have probably been pre registering EV to meet targets and also hold back delivery of new ICE cars until the new year to keep down registrations and meet targets for this years and not pay fines.
The government need to encourage people to buy EVs ie lower VAT on new cars and public charging.
A sensible EV owner, exactly what is happening. The same report alludes to it too.
I have a BYD which is a Chinese car, I also had a home charger. I will never go back to ice cars I can help you.
They still won’t believe Dave! They are ignorant of any facts that actually prove how good EV’s are! I’ve had one for 4 years and my cost over all those years is just 9.2p per mile! What’s not to like?
Given that the trade has failed to reach the 22% EV requirement every extra ICE car sold this year costs them £15k in fines while every EV sold saves them £53k in fines.
It's pretty obvious what is actually going on.
Sshhhhh, the cult members don't want to hear it. They don't believe pre registering EVs is a thing. 😅
Now go see how many pre-reg ice cars are available…. It’s thousands upon thousands. Now, the biggest problem with the car industry is that they haven’t told their share holders that peak car sales was 2016, and they have been hiding the decline ever since.
@@Man_v_CarsAnother stupid response from the cult of stupid
@@Muppetkeeper That has to be considered in the context of the volumes going out. 5000 cars represents less than 1 days new car sales in the UK.
@@ColinMill1 When you see an advert on Autotrader that doesn’t show a photo, there could be 10-50 cars behind that, all the same, all not sold. Dealers are refusing to take more stock as they can’t hold it. And to directly respond to your response, the exact same could be said for the pre-reg EVs.
Why are Jon and Rosa paying 7p per mile when charging at home, it's it 7p per kW so so more like 1.7pence per mile?
probably not on an ev tariff, 22per kw is about average iirc so dojgn 3miles a kw would be 7p.
But 7p is still on par with the most economical ice car. So i dont see the issue with that. I have a cupea born and for the performace, an ice car would be about 20p per mile.
The illustration assumes they only do 80% charging at home and 20% on public chargers, which would bring their average cost per kwh to over 20p kwh
@StephenButlerOne it say's the average overnight EV tariff is 7.6p at the bottom, it's like they've forgotten to devide the mpkw👍
@kcebliks I stand corrected........I still think the vast majority of private owner use the public network far less than that. I haven't purchased my first EV yet but would have only used the public network about once a year over the last 5 years
I don't think these figures are meaningful. They need to be shown as a range, not an average. Home charging ranges from 4p to 35p per KWhr depending on tarrif, like wise remote charging ranges from 33p to 84p without membership discounts and fuel prices range from £1.35 to £1.89 per litre. Using ranges would provide a more meaningful comparison and show that for some, say with work place charging or local Teslas supercharging that they would still be better off than ICE.
Once the vast majority of sales are BEV how do you think the motorist is going to be hammered by the government to make up for fuel duty and tax losses.
Road Pricing a.k.a. pay per mile.
My prediction is that before the end of their current term this Government will have laid out the framework for per-mile road pricing. I suspect that we may see this apply to all vehicles. I think fuel duty may be cut at the same time but only to a point where it will be more expensive than EV.
EVs are being taxed from April 2025.
This is a government problem, not an EV v ICE problem. They will shaft us all equally (they’ll probably shaft the ICE a bit more cos of net zero). Make hay whilst the sun shines and BEVs are still taxed more favourably?
@@Man_v_Cars Most EV owners expected to pay VED at some point...
Thanks, some amazing stats there, and hard to argue with, but of course the deniers will cling to their interpretation, fleet sales pre reg etc.
I am a convert,had an EV for 10 years, but still hard to recommend one to someone without home charging.
The report he quotes also says the £4b in discounts for EVs in the same period cannot continue.
Great news for our air quality ❤❤
Scary figures. The BEV figures only look good because the market as a whole is way down on units sold vs 5 years ago. In reality we're seeing a massive bubble forming with billions of private equity going into charging infrastructure that is betting on ZEV mandates rigging the market so that infrastructure will make a return. If the mandate doesn't hold (and I don't think it will) there's going to be some serious losses
I hate to burst your bubble but the sales arnt going up realistically. dealers are pre registering the cars so they look sold on the system hence why you can get 40% discount on a brand "new" car. also 9 out of ten of them are going to fleets not individuals buying a new car. my company has got 20 EVs in the fleet and 99% who works here drives an ICE car. go to any car park in the country and you can see the numbers.
The irony is that SMMT isn’t exactly pro-EV either 😂
Ev,s are the future for car, but that is about it .,because the vans are garbage up to 45% discount on auto trader for ev van not fit for purpose it’s a difficult one because of the weight they have to carry I am very lucky to get 80 miles no weight in it and freeze to death
*Dealerships are delaying the sale of I.C.E vehicles until next year because they are desperate to hit the 22% ZEV Mandate. What percentage of those BEV "sales" were registered to the dealerships ? We might see some incredible "used" electric car sales next year.*
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Keep up the good Work Sir. ICE are history.
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Diesel and petrol down BEV up is a direct result of government policy and as long as the government want EV's it will continue. Don't make the mistake of thinking that that means BEV's are better, it's just the way the market is being pushed.
For an example of what happens when mandates are further away, incentives are removed, and BEV owners have to pay their share of the road network - in this case with Road Users Charges at the same rate as diesel - look at New Zealand, sales have crashed in 2024 due to government policy.
I'm not in the EV or ICE camp.
I want less exhaust pipe toxic emmisions. I'm fine however thats done.
@@paulbuckingham15 ICE manufacturers, particularly diesel have massively reduced emissions in the last decade or so. Those improvements have all been forgotten about in the rush to EV's
@@DaveG7920Not enough.
Anyone who tells me they can’t have an EV because they can’t charge at home get the reply…Do you have a petrol/diesel station at home.
That’s just because you are not rich enough to buy the land to have one installed. In the same way that people that live in flats cannot afford to buy the more expensive home that has home charging.
If you were rich enough and have enough land then you could have a filling station at home.
@@michaelmcnally2331 Assuming you could get the necessary licencing and permits......
What a retarded comment. I can get to 4 petrol stations within 10 minutes of my home and fill up in less than 10 minutes. The nearest charger is 15 minutes away, singular.
Selective use of data not really hard data. The SMMT figures are new registrations, not actual sales. DVLA publish figures for new cars applications for road fund licence, albeit rather later than the SMMT and broken down by quarter, but likely to be a more accurate representation of actual sales. These show BEV sales were only just over 12% of total sales for the 2nd quarter. Also no mention made of the 5 December SMMT news release which explains how the November figures were achieved and says demand for BEVs remains weak and likely that the 22% target will not be achieved. Outook for 2025 also looks bleak unless government introduces new incentives. Come on Dave really take it on and don't fudge the issue.
For decades you have accepted that a manufacturer supplying a car to a dealer was a sale. We’re all did. It wasn’t. For decades you accepted dealers registering new cars as demonstrators, which they weren’t.
China records new cars insured. Factories record cars produced. There’s a multitude of methods. To me Tesla is the only one I trust. Every sale is to a paying customer and also registered for use on the road. The two figures match exactly.
@davetakesiton So you base your accurate sales data on what just one of the manufacturers does? Why not draw attention to an explanation of the database provided by the reliable experts who collected the data in the first place.
A battery/motor powered device is more convenient than a gasoline powered device. Hard stop.
Rubbish. ICE car for me is drive through the petrol station on the way out of the Tesco rather then around it. Stop, insert pay card, pull trigger, finish and on my way. 5 min tops.
Battery is
1.) drive to Tesco, put car on charge, walk home, go collect car later on. 10min walk each way. 3 hour limit so need to repeat to fully charge. 44p a unit.
2.) drive to local super charger and sit for 20-20minutes whilst charges at 79p a unit.
I cannot home charge and work from home.
There is absolutely no way that an EV is more convenient for me.
What you meant was for people that can charge at home and most journeys can get out and back without charging away from home then an EV is more convenient.
@ I wasn’t referring exclusively to vehicles.
Engines objectively are a bigger pain in the ass to maintain, and operate. imagine having an engine powered drill for example, what a pain in the ass that would be.
Charge time is irrelevant if you can plug your car in where it’s parked. Almost nobody in there right mind actually “sits”, and waits for there car to charge. Everybody has to stand, and wait for their car to refuel. Remember, I’ve lived BOTH experiences, in my experience, charging is objectively better than refuelling. Because charging a 99.99 percent passive experience. Takes 5 seconds tops of my time to plug it in.
Your place of residence does already have EV “fuel” hooked up to it. The only problem that needs to be solved is: how do you run a cable to where the car is parked.
That being said. Yes it would be a minor pain in the ass if I had to use public charging exclusively(the way you HAVE to use public fuel stations exclusively), but actively doing engine maintenance is still a bigger pain in the ass than passively waiting for my car to charge.
@@lyfebehyndbars9729 Well unfortunately for you, this is a channel about EV so it is about vehicles. You also said HARD STOP, so you cannot have IF, BUT or MAYBE in your argument,. I say that as in your response your HARD STOP has now been changed to include an IF
So let me break down this reply for you.,
Engines objectively are a bigger pain in the ass to maintain, and operate - Wrong, for the car owner is a very easy.. I walk up to the car, quick visual check that tyres don't need pumping up. Get in car and push start button. I then use the pedals, steering wheel and indicators to make the car move and let people know where I am going at junctions. This is exactly what my mate does with his EV. Exceptionally FEW cars are maintained by the owner. When needs maintenance they chuck it a trained mechanic at a garage. It has washer liquid, oil top up but rest tends to goto the garage and gets done at service time.
Charge time is irrelevant if you can plug your car in where it’s parked - Oh Look we have introduced an IF in here. "if you can plug your car in where it’s parked" I thought you said was more convenient HARD STOP so what is this IF in here for now.
As I said clearly I cannot charge my car where it is parked normally. So I don't meet your now introduced IF.
Almost nobody in there right mind actually “sits”, and waits for there car to charge - You are 100% right here. People don't. You are right because if people had to wait for the car to charge instead of being able to just charge it when it is parked up then they won't buy one. There is a reason why here in the UK and this is a UK based EV Channel then is about 80% of charging of EV done at home. That is why I don't have an EV because as I clearly explained is either leave it at the supermarket and walk home, then walk back and collect it and repeat this to get fully charged as a 3 hour parking limit, or I have to call in at local super charger and wait whilst the car charges. Am only 10 minutes into my journey so don't need to stop and eat, drink or restroom break.
Your place of residence does already have EV “fuel” hooked up to it. The only problem that needs to be solved is: how do you run a cable to where the car is parked.
Yes the problem is how do you get it too the other side of the road I live in, not an easy problem to solve as involves closing the road to get the cable in a conduit across. It isn't a small problem.
With 300 mile + range cars then very few people will be able to drive 300 miles without stopping. I certainly cannot. Most of my driving is dual carriageway/motorway which is 70mph so on an assumption of driving 70mph constant then 3 hours is 210 miles. I find 2 - 21/2 hours tops before I need to stop whether the car does or not. The problem is that without being able to charge the car whilst it is parked at home then when I drive the 80 mile visit to my parents for which with my ICE car I don't stop other then junctions and lights, I have to stop and charge. I don't need to stop for a drink, I don't need to stop for food, I don't need to stop to go the rest room, on that journey but I will need to stop and charge an EV battery unless gone out of my way to charge it before setting off on the journey,
A trip to scotland with my ICE Car.
Car is already filled up so no need to worry for a while.
I set off and about 1 3/4 to 2 hours later stop just after Birmimgham and have Lunch. Car is sat for 20-30mins whilst I eat
I stop off later on for the rest room - 5-10 minutes
Stop off later for Dinner - car sat about an hour
When going past carlisle I call in at the Tesco on the A69 which is just off the M6/A69 junction. Use the toilets, pick up some drinks/snacks and then on the way out call out and spend 5 minutes filling the car up.
Call in at carlisle for fuel again
Total wasted time - 15 minutes, 5 min night before, 5 min on way up and 5 min on way back.
Now EV where cannot charge where it is parked normally.
Well I either do two trips to the Supermarket with 10 min walk each way so 40 minute walk too and from the car. There is nothing to do at the supermarket for 3 hours whilst the car charges hence why walk home.
Or can call in at Super Charger and wait for 25-30 minutes whilst charges up the night before. Again nothing at the supercharger location and am on the outskirts of the town I live in, why do I need to go get coffee/food etc.
So now have the car charged then set off on the journey the next day
Start off the journey and about 1 3/4 to 2 hours later stop just after Birmimgham and have Lunch. Car is sat for 20-30mins whilst I eat - I can top up whilst charging and add miles onto the battery
I stop off later on for the rest room - 5-10 minutes - more top up
Stop off later for Dinner - car sat about an hour - more top up
When going past carlisle I call in at the Tesco on the A69 - again top up.
Hotel where stop has a charger so can setoff on the way back with full battery again.
Total wasted time either 40 minutes walk or 25-30 minutes wait at supercharger. This doesn't even fact in the 7p a unit Home rate charge vs 44p at supermarket or 89p at the superchargers though apparently it seems if go between 10pm and 6am then get 54p at Instavolt supercharger. However that is not when travelling and would still have to wait.
So not sure how a 25-30 or 40 minutes if use the slow charger is more convenient then 15 minutes of waiting. As I cannot charge my car where it would be normally then my car has to be taken and left where it would not normally be parked.
Now lets make it so I can home charge
Car fully charged overnight whilst parked in normal spot - time 0 minutes I am not going to do seconds it takes to plug in and disconnect.
Start off the journey and about 1 3/4 to 2 hours later stop just after Birmimgham and have Lunch. Car is sat for 20-30mins whilst I eat - I can top up whilst charging and add miles onto the battery
I stop off later on for the rest room - 5-10 minutes - more top up
Stop off later for Dinner - car sat about an hour - more top up
When going past carlisle I call in at the Tesco on the A69 - again top up.
Hotel where stop has a charger so can setoff on the way back with full battery again.
So 0 minutes spent waiting for my car which is even better then the 15 minutes spent refueling the car before, on way up and way back.
So yes an EV is more convenient IF you can home charge. However that is not an EV is more convenient HARD STOP is it.
IF you can home charge, ie charge where your car is parked anyway, then IF buying a brand new car, it is a no-brainer to go EV. Not only is it more convenient in terms of refuelling but it is also cheaper to operate. This is why I corrected your HARD STOP.
It is no coincidence that two of the manufacturers that hitting UK targets are BMW and Mercedes who sell premium priced cars so the people buying them are much more likely to live in houses as opposed to flats and so will have the ability to home charge.
This is why the ability to home charge is important to people looking at EV's and when they cannot home charge as in charge cheaply where the car is parked anyway they are much less likely to buy one. Dave himself recognises and has said many times himself that there are people for whom EV;s don't work out, so not only are you disagreeing with me, you are also disagreeing with Dave.
As many EV channels say they are not here to convince everyone to buy an EV, they are here to correct the misinformation about EV, and you have put out misinformation in the other direction.
@ I’m not reading your essay. (Impressive by the way) but you’re attempting to drag me into a bottomless pit of semantics. I refuse.
I stand by my original statement.
Batteries ARE easier than engines. hard F-ing stop.
I’m quite confident the free market will continue to prove me right.
Engines will continue to drop in popularity.
Batteries will continue to increase in popularity. Infrastructure will adapt and improve.
@@lyfebehyndbars9729 so you think 40 minutes of walking too and from a car twice to charge the battery or a 25-30 minute wait at a fast charger is more convenient then a 5 minuet stop at fuel pump. How is that semantics?
I had thought you were quite a calm man……
Most legacy makers have done sweet F A.
If you don’t agree with these government figures, you’re wrong, get over it. 😂
I thought that was calm
Can some give more examples for salary sacrifice I have the option at work but a long range basic Tesla for 3 years 20000 with insurance is £689 out of my take home pay so around £1035 from my untaxed pay … a nurse who lives on my street and only been a full time nurse has a q5 sline on her scheme that must cost more than a Tesla surly are people just paying massive amounts for there cars on the schemes
Dave deleting posts he doesn't like. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
"HEVs" are of course 100% petrol fuelled. So bracketing them with electric is rather bogus. But anyway, so you're now chanelling Steve Ballmer with 'just the facts'. ....
Great news; EVs are really popular, there are no serious issues with range, charging or battery degradation, everything about them is superior to a normal car.
So we no longer need to be forced, we can drop the subsidies and mandates now, and let everyone freely choose which they prefer, right?
Sure.
There were no rebates on the last two EVs I owned.
Just the price.
Let's also add a similar tax to both types.
@@SweBeach2023 VAT? The same already I think.
You can choose to buy whatever car you like, and will be able to for years to come. Quite agree about the subsidies, currently worth around 10 billion a year in the UK. That's on fossil fuels by the way.
Meanwhile, here's a debating point for you. The most practical and efficient way of powering an axle is with an electric motor. Discuss.
@@oldgit15 I hear about these fossil fuel subsidies, but can anyone explain how they are applied? Is it an intrinsic thing in how they don't pay for their environmental or health effects?
Have you persuaded your wife to get an EV yet? 😁
Is that how you see your role in a marriage? Telling or persuading the wife what she should do? Our relationship is not like that.
@@davetakesiton You preach telling people how good EVs are. Yet you cannot even convince your wife. That's pretty pathetic.
@@keithdenton8386 A lot of assuming in there......
Wow, lots of pensioners buying EVs. Lots of spare cash, charging at home.
Pensioners on Motability, they are pushing EVs to those able to get the benefits required.
Weird you think 45-55 year olds are pensioners
Well said Dave. Seems a lot of us EV owners in that 20% category….. I’m looking forward to ordering the Xiaomi SU7 Ultra when it comes available. Insane vehicle
New cars sales... Whilst showing us registrations and given you were in the industry you know that the two need not have much of a realtionship, worse you know this is the primary way manufactures manipulate data (I also know this for much the same reasons) why are you spinning the data to prove something that it doesn't? I stopped watching and down voted as you are just a biased shill.
If you want to look at the ports where cars are brought in an the holding areas where cars held before pre-inspection you will find them over flowing with ICE cars. Those ARE sold but their owners can't have them until January and you know why. Please show some balance! Try buying an ICE car - you are not allowed anymore as they cost 15K each in fines. EV sales will only rise now because if you want a car only an EV will be easily purchased and there will be some cracking pre reg deals available. I will be watching the used price of ICE cars I suspect they will be strong and EV used prices will come under pressure as the registered ones actually come onto the market as second hand. After all it's basically on delivery mileage at 60% the price. Good for the consumer, catastrophic for the dealers and manufacturers.
Excellent comment unfortunately Dave is a bit biased in my opinion to EVs, and seems incapable of taking a balanced view, and looking at all the other feeds on RUclips then coming up with a more reasoned argument for EV against ICE. But he is entitled to his view as we are. 😊
@@martynayshford4318 so what's your January EV sales percentage prediction then with this impending surge in ice car sales?.....
@@bwarey52The same report states that the £4b in discounts for EVs is unsustainable, manufacturers are trying to avoid the £15k fine on each ICE car sold even to holding customers orders back until next year.
@@bwarey52 No idea but it will be large. I will answer another question though next year 72% of all cars sold will be ICE cars because that is the quota it's uneconomic to sell anymore and alot of people will not be allowed to have one. It's already bad, I waited 8 months for mine, with calls every week about how I could swap to an EV and have it in the drive next week. It will get worse only people they like will be allowed an ICE car, bit like Rolex's in the pandemic only the best customers were allowed to buy one.
@martynayshford4318 when you say it's bad,is it really that bad. If this was a operation waiting list or cancer treatment I can see why people might be outraged but this is a car,you just use it to move around from A to B
There is definitely a lull in nay sayers conspiracy theorists and general EV haters on RUclips now, most now realizing that there is probably more money in EV than ice oh how the mighty have fallen (you know who you are )
I'd go check the same report and how it states the £4b in discounts cannot be continued.
Just supplied a guy with an new EV, whose own EV had gone back to the retailer after 3 days, 3 months ago. He had a front light cluster go. Requires technical support to get it fixed. Its leased, would he spend his own money on one, a big fat NO.
What, you mean the front light needed coding in?
You do realise that's a 'modern car' thing not an 'electric car' thing?
Anyway, I rather smell the whiff of BS here, sorry.
Strange story! Never heard of warranty???? Nobody pays for repairs for the first few years and manufacturers and leasing companies are legally obliged to supply a replacement car. Sure sounds like FUD to me
If front light cluster went on a modern BMW ICE you would have to send it back to manufacturer for warranty repair too. Not going to fix a laser light yourself.
😂😂😂 Motability and dealers pre registering EVs to avoid the £15k fine. Zapmap data showing the age group is the prime Motability age. They also get the charger included.
Government stats highlight that well over 50% of homes have no ability to charge at home.
Funny , looking at autotrader, there are an aweful lot of new ICE cars (clearly pre-registered) for sale.
@@crm114.And? In the same SMMT report 'EV uptake rises as manufacturers continue unprecedented discounts totalling £4 billion this year' and 'Battery electric vehicle (BEV) registrations, meanwhile, rose for an eleventh successive month, up 58.4% to 38,581 units, representing 25.1% of the overall market but driven by heavy manufacturer discounting. With the best market share since December 2022,2 November is just the second month this year in which BEV uptake has reached mandated levels3, albeit against the backdrop of a declining overall market.'
@@Man_v_CarsThe affordable EVs are just beginning to arrive. We’ll see what happens in 2025, won’t we?
Yet an RAC study found that around 60% of EV owners do charge at home.... For many EV owners, the ability to charge at home on cheaper off-peak rates, is/was a major factor in their decision to get an EV in the first place....
@@Brian-om2hh Errr, thats EV owners and not households full stop. If you buy an EV then it makes sense you'd be able to charge at home, those that don't no doubt have a workplace charger they are able to use.
They are rubbish!
If I brought a ev van I couldn't get to work.
No not if you fill it with diesel!
Couldn’t get to work? What are you? A deep sea fisherman?
Nice of you to highlight a post of mine 😂
This year we got two surveys about EV owners intention to go back to ICE. McKinsey, a consulting company with a dodgy record (see Enron and Oxycontin), said 46% would go back (US number). And GEVA, an alliance of EV enthusiast groups found 1% would (well, they're gonna enthuse, ain't they). Each credulously reported into the FUDosphere (ahem*electricviking** on the latter).
The Zapmap numbers at 5:30 seem like actual research- something like 5-15% planning or open to getting another ICE. In line with Tesla loyalty numbers above 90%.
The Electro Viking guy is pushing the Chinese EVs more than it would be reasonably expected from an impartial person. In addition, he’s linked to the solar installers, most of his videos have the solar promo comments pinned.
@ComeJesusChrist Hardly impartial. In addition to sloppy reporting, he always has to get in a dig at non-Tesla EVs. And if and when Xi blockades Taiwan, a Chinese car is the last thing I want in my driveway. He's been priming his public for years.
@@catnaplappdx5001 The guy is clearly funded to cover Chinese models. Every week, there are numerous ‘game-changing’ hopes and fairytales that never really materialise. Who would trust the Chinese, anyway who have plenty of vehicles and minerals to sell, but are well-known to subsidise their I dirty and falsify sales records, putting aside the fact that because they are confiscating mopeds, bicycles, cars and exercise other methods, there is an artificially maintained market for EVs there. When it’s extortionate or very difficult to buy anything else, of course more people opt for EVs.
The cult evangelists on here is so funny. At best guess only 50% of households can charge at home, a stumbling block right there. Add the expense of charging away from home, the depreciation, the cost of replacement batteries/cells and EVs wont be the choice of the majority. Oh, and now youre paying VED and new car tax that will put folk off even more. The SMMT report highlights the discounting on EVs and state it cannot continue.
The anti-EV crowd so predictable. Depreciation, battery ….. so old, so pathetic. Is that really the best you can do? 😂😂😂
Try Google one day. Their facts don’t match your figures
@@davetakesiton Odd you didn't mention the SMMT report stating the £4b discounting on EVs can't be maintained. Fleet news, the section of industry making the bulk of new EV sales, says 56% of households can potentially charge an EV. Google must know better than an industry paper.
The increase in EV registrations has zero to do with the £15k 'fine' being imposed by government, right? The EV evangelists, like you, assume that every comment about EVs comes from a hatred of the tech, it isn't. There is a place for it, but at this time it isn't for everyone and anyone with a modicum of commonsense knows that.
The cognitive dissonance from your subscribers is amazing, zealots defending a purchase at any cost. Like all zealots there is no other pathway but the one they follow.
@@crm114.Another zealot. You assume raising concerns equates to being anti EV, which shows you are blinkered to the wider problems of EV ownership. Would you defend, with such fervour, someone saying that certain ICE cars have problems in the longterm that they were wrong? Engines fail, batteries fail but one costs substantially more to repair/replace than the other.
@@crm114. The same tired old - long debunked - nonsense..... And the VED was hardly worth mentioning. My Kia EV has literally saved me thousands of pounds by no longer having to buy petrol during the time I've had it. Even if VED was £300 per year (it won't be) I still won't be ringing the Samaritans if I'm saving well over £2k per year on petrol.
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The £4b in discounts for EVs is unsustainable according to the same report, but let's ignore that.
Note increasing numbers of private motorists are realising that leasing is more sensible and cost effective than any form of purchase.
New car sales or registrations. Any data can be manipulated for a reason.Ho hum roll on 2025. I think I might have to go EV.
Sometimes I disagree with Dave, but this video is spot on. He didn’t quite say it, BUT IT’S TIME TO STOP PANDERING TO STUPID. I’m quite happy for people to say “I don’t want an electric car”, but now is the time to just shut people down if they are talking bull about electric cars. My current favourite is “I’m sorry that you aren’t clever enough to embrace the change”.
I'd look at the same report he selectively quotes, down to discounts that cannot last and pre registering cars.
My first Two EVs were called Trigger and Hercules.
Dame lies and statistics Dave sure you have heard this great quotation 😊
Ultra rapid charging, not so when they are throttled due to high demand. 6.7 KW at Gloucester services this weekend the sign said. Don't think that's very high is it .
Dave the SMMT get their sales data from pre regs that haven't actually been sold,I'm a transport driver and get real info,And I'm not surprised seeing the same ev's at the back of dealers week after week,yesterday i had 12 ice cars on,It's all lies about ev sales🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
So pre-registering of ICE vehicles doesn't happen? Really?
@@ianhamilton3113Again you don't get it do you, EVs are being pre registered to avoid the £15k 'fine' being imposed, ICE are pre registered to meet monthly/annual dealer targets to get financial benefits from manufacturers.
@ Yes, I know. One minute manufacturers are holding back ICE sales till next year and the next they are preregistering them for the dealer discounts. Run with whatever story fits your narrative.
Wow I love hearing the truth about real figures from people in mundane non related jobs (not data collection) expose the professional bodies are lying. BTW a few cars round the back of a specific garage means absolutely nothing
@davetakesiton A few?I'm talking 30-40 ev's that have been there for weeks unsold.facts!!!
Yes wait till government gets out of way, diesel would be number one without governments, there is a reason military uses them, they are the best
Ha ha ha ha ha
You’ve never driven one then? The response and performance is truly next generation, like steam to petrol.
Only genuine reasons for diesel is towing or truly remote work (and I mean the desert rather than the Lake District)
Petrol in hot hatches and sports cars are still more fun, but only on a track with corners.
When does government ever get out of the way?
Yes. Tanks and Armoured Personnel Carriers - they're the future! 😂
@@anonemouse6677 My mates tank engine makes less torque than my EV
Don't listen to this complete prat. EV sales are not increasing, dealers are pre-registering EVs in order to meet government targets and avoid fines. Pre-registered vehicles count as sales on the statistics, but they're not actually sold. Airfields and storage facilities all over the UK are full of hundreds of thousands of pre-registered EVs that nobody want's to buy. It's a complete mess, and it's destroying the motor trade.
Pre registering vehicles is a tactic that's been going on for years, long before EVs arrived. Why suddenly get all concerned about it now? The motor trade is having to change, in exactly the same way that everything does as technology progresses - don't be scared of it, its going to happen anyway.
@@oldgit15 Pre-registering vehicles has never happened on this scale before. The numbers are truly terrifying. It's crippling the motor industry, and destroying used values in equal measure.
@@matthewgodwin3050 "and destroying used values in equal measure" Brilliant! So used EV's are a real bargain. That's the good news.
Bye bye ICE. Going the way of horses... open your eyes Matthew
If he’s such a prat and you hate EVs why do you watch his channel?😂😂😂😂
What makes me laugh is this fantasy that you save money on servicing if you own an EV.
That's utter rubbish.
The manufacturer will require a service every year to maintain the warranty.
Nissan wanted £275 to service my Leaf.
When I asked what they serviced they told me the pollen filter.
Tyres seem to wear out faster on an EV due to heavier cars and more powerful torque.
The next quarter will reveal the smoke from the fire when dealers and manufacturers are unable to register any more vehicles.
I could be wrong but ......... strap in .............
My Leaf was as expensive to service hence why we didn't buy another. Hyundai is way cheaper than leaf and Skoda it replaced and My model 3 has no requirement.
You are wrong, at least on the frequency of servicing. My Skoda first service was at 2 years. Tesla intervals are even longer.
I get my Leaf serviced every two years whether it needs it or not. Cleevely Motors have mobiles that do it a your home. Last one cost me £160. You need to shop around.
Oh! and my tyres needed replacing at 42k. Bloody pot hole damage.
My BMW is every 2 years and still has original tyres at 30,000 miles.
reliable,,,,l,ha ha ha jha ha , government tools
Let’s not ignore the fact that I can SALSAC a EV for £10000 a year including maintenance tyres and insurance and get £4200 tax saved. If I got that tax saving on petrol I’d never ever consider an EV. There are lies and statistics
On to my second BEV and have never regretted switching from ICE (my diesel car burst into flames). Salary Sacrifice through work made the whole process so easy and actually affordable...for a brand new car. Charging at home makes it very cheap to run and a trip to Chester Zoo was remarkably uneventful. And the stats you provided, no surprise the North East is at the bottom of the charger table, we don't even have a proper motorway so everyone uses the M6 over on the West side 🫤