In all honesty, I can see Micheal figuring out how to drive on his own. I didn't get behind the wheel of a car until I moved to Puerto Rico when I was 27. The only thing I needed a lesson on was parallel parking.
In the timeline where Strode is Michaels sister, Strode is scary smart. I always thought that Halloween (2018) that came out and her granddaughter is just as smart. Michael is smart!
Michael obviously has regenerating abilities. That's impossible for him to be in such good shapes in the sequels either way. Don't think of him as a regular human, he's supernatural. At least in the first timelines
Well he didn't get shot in the eyes. In Part II, even when the blood is streaming out of the mask's eye holes, his eyes were clearly visible and intact. Maybe the bullets grazed the side of his head, and blood got in his eyes.
@@johnwolffe9590 they did but mainly because they did show the program on TV that actives them. Also I don't think that story is full canon. More of a nod.
@@jaysonpeterson2281 I like the idea that all Halloween films other than the Zombie films are within the same universe. And there is a secret society still working to try to cover up certain events.
@@johnwolffe9590 there's actually multiple lines four five and six are classified as the thorne timeline original, 2, 7 and 8 are the Laurie Strode continuity and then original, 2018 Halloween kills and Halloween ends are the Laurie Strode reset. Now technically the thorns still falls under the Laurie Strode continuity but due to the inclusion of the thorne storyline it's kind of been set to its own little universe.
@@doctornico1759 yes, but the stepfather literally dies at the end of every movie, even the director confirmed that he died at the end of the first film
Something interesting about the kid in the 2018 film, I actually auditioned for that role as an adult. The dialogue didn’t change at all, but it’s interesting that at some point between the first round of auditions and shooting they changed it from an adult and his adult son to an adult and his adolescent son. As a Halloween fan obviously I was disappointed not to get the role, but I felt better when I saw they went a completely different direction lol
Annie Wilkes actually said it best as she recounted her experience going to the 'chapter plays' in Misery. When we see that the paramedic was actually the one Laurie killed in H2O, Annie would have leapt to her feet and screamed 'This isn't what happened in H2O. Have you all got amnesia? It wasn't the COCKADOODIE PARAMEDIC! She didn't KILL a PARAMEDIC!"
We need to see the scene of Michael pulled over, reading maps with a ruler, trying to find the quickest street route back to Haddonfield, Illinois since Smith Grove Sanitarium was 150 miles north of Mikey’s home, with it being 1978, no freeways nor expressways.... Lol....
You think they didnt have freeways in the late 70s? Construction started in the 1950s. 41,000 miles worth of road. What I would want to see is him trying to pay the tolls.
Question for the first film: When Michael kills and takes the mechanics suit, why not steal his truck too? Why continue to drive a stolen government car? Well, the truck probably was a stick shift.
I assume he wasn't thinking that far into it, he was written simply as "the shape" in that first script, after all. No thought process, just pure driven evil, that's honestly the way the character was regarded during the making of that first movie. The Lori character being his sister and all that were all afterthoughts during the writing of the sequels.
@@spaceinvader8791 Lol. Thanks bud. I remember not being sure of the spelling, it's one of those names that is commonly spelled a few different ways. I'm not a die hand fan, so I have probably never seen the spelling. To be honest, I had to think for a second to remember the name. Not that I don't really like it, I think it's the best independent film ever made, it's defiantly one of the most successful, I'm just not all about it.
one thing though when loomis is waiting outside hardware store waiting for bracket myers drives right by him but loomis is facing other way and had he turned would have seen emblem on door of car and then probably go ape ??? the ironic moment would not exist ? i dont know just a thought
I love the theory that Halloween or Samhain is affecting more than just Michael. Would have worked well if the series did become an anthology. Reminds me of movies like Trick ‘r Treat or Tales of Halloween where a bunch of unrelated things are happening in the same town at the same time just because it’s Halloween.
In regards to the lack of burn scars in pt.5, KNB FX actually designed some gnarly makeup effects for the unmasking scene but it was never used. From what I understand, it was like a mix of Freddy and Two Face.
Answer to Question 2: honestly I figure that considering Michael's creepy amount of stealth. He broke in, took everything he needed, stashed this elsewhere then, figuring that he may need a distraction. Goes back and triggers the alarm on purpose. I mean figure how many places this man has broken into. How many places that even the damn dog didn't know. The dude's sneak is 1000
Not only did Laurie have Jamie and John, but she also had her daughter Karen from the Halloween Ends trilogy, whom the state took away from her at the age of 12, and yes I would much rather she be the kind of person who thought that she was protecting Jaimie by letting the Lloyd family raise her, but figured that her son John Tate could handle her brand of crazy because he is a boy. Maybe Jamie does not remember her brother because they have different fathers, and Laurie has always felt after the first two movies that she was too traumatized to be a good mother and let John be raised by his father for a number of years, and for some reason he came back to live with his mother after his father died or otherwise couldn't keep him. Laurie is the kind of extreme person in Halloween 2017 that she would be willing to have all her children living separate lives under assumed names and faking deaths when needed to be safe from Michael, and she is always able to endure making painful decisions like giving up her kids because she sees it as necessary. She is a traumatized veteran of a private war, and knows that Michael will always keep coming. "Can we rationalize it? Well, that's what we do here, so sure!"
I was thinking that Jaime and John were twins and were sent to different houses just in case Michael found Laurie, he'd have a harder time finding both of her kids. She could've even set up a thing where, if one was found by Michael, the other would be told if possible.
I've seen Halloween 2 hundreds of times over the last 25, 30 years, and it was only about 5 years ago that I realized that it was a razor blade in that kid's mouth. The closeup of it always looked like a huge spit bubble to me. I was blown away when I found out and realized it was a razor.
In the book adaptation of Halloween 2, the ending is different! After the fire is put out, the investigators find only the charred body of Loomis and Michaels melted mask! I know the book is long out of print, but seek it out as it has additional differences as well.
Hey, the intro to Resurrection was actually filmed the day the ending of H20 was filmed. The paramedic fake out was actually planned the whole time. Jamie Lee Curtis even knew ahead of time and was the one who asked to film the intro to the next movie on the same day
Tbh, if I'm armed and hunting a killer dressed like Michael Myers and I see someone dressed like Michael Myers, I'm definitely going to draw on him and take aim. That's not psycho, he had no way to know for sure it wasn't Michael and I definitely don't consider him culpable. Thus, I don't fault him for a lack of remorse.
i think some people forget, carpenter didn't expect and/or want any sequels after 78's film. so, when people look at 78's for foreshadowing and/or tie in's to other films, they're just a coincidence.
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I just figured the hardware store thing was a shop lifting incident. Michael lifted what he wanted, left without paying and the person behind the counter hit the alarm and notified the police.
Your Research is fantastic even showing me things I have missed in horror flicks. Love these timelines. Keep up the great work you’re knocking it out of the park
Wow this has been the best unanswered questions episode yet!!! As always love the humor in these episodes. I commend you for trying to find some rationality in this series. That must have been hard.
Great video. As far as the rope, it was used to make bob swing in the doorway when Laurie walks in the room. But yeah you’re right whoever was in charge of continuity blew it.
So this movie series is set in Illinois & one thing that always bothered me was that at the Wallace house has a laundry room across the yard from the house. Do they not do laundry in the winter? It would be cumbersome to put on your snow suit to do the wash mid February. Just a nitpick.
Thank you for doing this video! you raised alot of interesting questions that I've always asked myself over the years but it seemed that movie-goers simply gave a pass to because of their love of the franchise! I too gave them passes but the continuity of the films were just crazy and all over the place when you really think about the events logically!
In the original "Halloween", when Laurie and Annie were on the way to the Doyle and Wallace houses to babysit, I thought that one of the cuts during that drive was pretty interesting. The cut went from broad daylight to pitch dark, but they were on the same street before and after the cut, or at least in the same neighborhood. The time it would take to go from day to night is alot longer than the drive would take from Laurie being picked up to the time they arrived at the Doyle and Wallace houses. In other words we have some lost time in the original "Halloween". There is no telling what could have happened during this lost time. Mabey Annie realized that she was being followed, and just drove around until the shape stopped following her from so close behind. Perhaps a flashback in "Kills" or "Ends" will finally tie up this loose end.
also at the time part 6 came out, the theatric edition had those green gel fetus babies, so did an episode of X-Files at the same time but nobody ever makes that connection how they were super beings in that episode of X-Files similar to Mike Myers
In my head, Michael had taught himself to drive by first paying attention to his parents driving as a child. The car they drive operates similarly to the one he drives, he was premeditating things even back then. He did use the rope in 78 when he was turning Annie's home into a house of horrors (hanging up that body) and potentially even to do little theatric tricks like closing the door that locked Annie in that room from a distance (not to mention he weaponizes a cut of rope in the intro to Kills after this video was made.) And the only reason he didn't kill that baby, imo despite what DGG says, was either 1) it wasn't old enough to recognize the malevolency that it was about to be put through and/or 2) he wants it to grow up with its family killed by him and potentially come back and torment them when they're older (likely with no true concept that he would be too old himself to do that by that point.)
I think Michel used the ropes to hang up bob when Laurie found him and I think were supposed to infer that the knife probably came from the hardware store
for question number 12, if the paramedic would’ve taken the mask off would Laurie have known who it was? Cause I’m not sure she actually knew what Michael looked like as an adult. She had that small memory of him in the flashback scene in H2 but that’s it. Unless she remembers what he looked like when she pulled his mask off in the final moments of the first film lol.
Considering how much the events of that night scarred her, yes, should would probably remember what he looked like. And the paramedic did not particularly look like he was older than Laurie.
The best Halloween is the most recent one. Thank you for the video. My mom would do what you do in your videos and it cool to see that someone else had similar thoughts about a movie.
he obviously gets the mask before 2PM, he gets it sometime between the night before and the morning after. Probably 11AM-12PM. 4:35 he uses the rope to tie up Bob’s body that swings down on top of Laurie later on, he also uses some of the rope in the beginning of Halloween Kills during the flashback scene, to strangle a police officer.
Michael Myers: One of the most psychotic horror villains ever. Also Michael Myers: Stops a kid as he bounds down some stone steps to keep him from falling over and hurting himself.
Dr Loomis' interactions with people in general from part 4 onwards always reminded me of Ric Flair's wrestling and promo work in his 60s; an over-the-top exaggeration of his better earlier work that, at any point, may turn into an abuse-filled tirade at any one in particular.
For h20 there was a script where it was apart of the thorn trilogy and Michael took laurie head stone and next to hers was Jamie and laurie found out that Jamie died, check out we watched a movie- Halloween 7
Actually, in the end of H20, it was always intended to *Not* be Micheal, as daft as that sounds. You see, they were already Planning the sequel; Halloween Resurrection and obviously wanted H20 to leave it open, but Jamie Lee Curtis wasn't interested, which is why she dies straight away in Resurrection. And it was Her idea to let audiences Think that Micheal is Dead at the end of H20 and Not reveal the Twist until the next film. And the studio obliged.
As far as the break in and alarm thing, it's entirely possible Michael stole the mask earlier in the day, which would explain why we see it in all the scenes before that. He doesn't do any killing until later. This could mean he robbed the store twice, the second time being after school is out when he got the knives and rope, only this time he set off the alarm.
Halloween III redemption arc let's get going! I think part of why I'm softer on Halloween 6 than most is because I prefer thinking that Michael is supernatural to some extent. Though, I'll grant I prefer it in a more generic "he's pure evil personified" rather than being part of a druid cult. I think it makes his ability to survive some things (particularly the end of Halloween II) make more sense. He seems not just as resilient as Jason but to actually have true regenerative properties.
Halloween III in the same world as the other movies? Yes, they could have made a movie about the Babysitter Murders - but we actually SEE Jamie Lee Curtis on the in-world tv. It only works if Laurie Strode went to Hollywood and portrayed herself in that movie.
It's also possible that when real audiences saw the original in 1978, they were actually seeing the fictional world's made-for-TV movie based on the Babysitter Murders, from start to finish.
We all know these movies were given fresh starts and New scenarios just to keep the franchise going but it sure is great to talk about the inconsistencies!
The Easiest Answer to get is "How is the Halloween Movie in Halloween 3?" Its easy because back in the Old Days. They LOVED to make TV Movies of the Week about Real Life Happenings. So they would DEFINATLY have made some cheap money /viewer Grab type of movie about it back then....and played it on a following Halloween. Simple.
Plus it would somewhat explain why they are still selling the same mask years later in Part 4, at least PR wise. "These masks aren't based on what a serial killer wore, it's based on what a movie character wore."
I remember watching Halloween for the first time 3 years after it's launch... Scared the hell out of me so where, we had a big house we lived in I was scared to go in it😊
The only question I’ve got is for part 3. Towards the end of the movie after they escape from Cochran, Ellie attacks Challis and is revealed to be a machine. What happened to Ellie? Was she always a machine? Did she die and they managed to make a full-size duplicate in just a few hours?
The car crash thing but also they show a picture of scissors which Jaime used at end of part four. Those were probably Easter eggs or like you said simitry. Never heard no one debunked it like that before lol. Good job lol!
19:00 Mother's are generally not in the NICU and PICU units of a hospital after the first week. Some mother's may have been in the hospital but would have been in a different unit.
In the first Halloween, I think Michael did break in the hardware store to steal a knife and rope. Maybe the rope could’ve been used to tie up Laurie and bring her back to his home to do some kind of ritual. Most likely after he killed her but never got the chance/abandoned that part of the plan. The masks that were stolen probably were a bunch of teenagers who took advantage of the situation, hence why Ben Tramer had a similar mask to Michael’s. Loomis does lose his sanity as the films progress and he becomes extremely irrational and insane. He’s clearly obsessed with trying to get rid of Michael, even if he inadvertently puts those around him in mortal danger. But in a strange way, those in power around him including the police unwillingly have no choice but to give Loomis autonomy as he’s the only person who knows what Michael Myers is capable and may be the person to actually stop him.
Also the serial killer groupie mentions that 4 students were killed at that school. I guess Michael strolled off to finish family business as Laurie decapitated some unnamed cop. This sequel is a comedy film up there with Scream 😂
The only scene I agree that Michael for sure has the mask early is when he's across from the school. The driving shot, house shot, and breathing shot were all left ambiguous and I believe that is intentional. Admittedly, I did always think that Michael outside the school was just Laurie's imagination.
Question 1 is answered in the novelization that was released. Whether it's canon or not is debatable, but the answer is really simple: Michael is depicted as very very intelligent and actually paid attention to the people driving him back and forth between Smith's Grove and his court-appointed hearings to see if he was competent to stand trial for the murder of Judith Myers. About the alarm, it could be possible that the store had been closed for lunchtime. Mom and Pop stores do often close down for an hour for lunch, so it might not have been open during the day (or it could have been closed due to a family emergency). For H20, there was originally a scene that was cut from the script where a student reads a report on Michael and mentions Jamie's death, which Laurie wasn't aware of, showing a connection to the past films. And for Michael not killing the baby, it could be simple: The baby doesn't provide any challenge. Every other kill had someone attempting to put up a fight either before or during. Maybe he enjoys the fact that his victims struggle before or during his killing them. But then again, Michael is a bit of an enigma, so it's hard to say why he does or doesn't do something.
i feel like the reason michael myers doesn't kill or specifically target unknown children that often is because when he looks at them, it's like he sees his childhood reflecting right back at him. reminding him of what he used to be before he stabbed his sister on halloween night. but it only lasts temporarily before he just kind of... moves on to whatever victim's next.
What I want to know is what is with Deborah Myers "ghost" in Rob Zombie's Halloween 2? I dunno it seems to be a hallucination of Michael but then Laurie can see her too and then she physically restrains Laurie and what is up with that?
Something to support your theory of Cochran being a member of the California offshoot of the Cult of Thorn, is that despite Halloween being a movie within a movie in Halloween III, that actually fits well with the world shown in Halloween H20, where Halloween was also a motion picture! This is evident by the fact Scream 1-2 exists in the world of H20, and Halloween plays a big part in the third act of Scream. So in the world of H20, Jamie Lee Curtis played a fictional version of Laurie Strode, who is believed by the world to have died in a car crash (the authorities know who Kari Tate is, since this sounds like a witness protection cover up).
i like the format of visiting the locations from the movies and the mention of the unanswered questions. considering the flaws and loony crap that all of the halloween flicks have. small or big. some stuff can maybe be over looked. probably easy to just watch halloween and halloween h20 or halloween and halloween 2018. they kept it simple. keep the boogieman simple. i like the character in general. its the movies themselves i like or dont like for whatever reason. only a few of them.
Okay, better question about Halloween 2: What happened to all those babies Mrs. Alves was chewing Karen out about when the hospital, you know, exploded? That's a massive, smoke-filled fire with no obvious suppression system and nobody left alive to evacuate the babies.
2 questions remain. Who was Jamie's father, & who was John's father? Also, there's absolutely no way to rationalize or explain how the paramedic could survive both the crash & being pinned between the vehicle & a tree.
Especially since his larynx had already been bruised to the point he couldn't speak, he had to have breathing issues with that, so even if he hadn't suffocated in the bag the crash and tree would've killed 'em.
if you look carefully when the blood starts driping out it coming above his Eyes not from the Eye sockets. which means when Laurie shot him the bullets enter above his eye and eye brows and hit the forhead.. remember Laurie shot him from the floor going up toward the eyes but missing the eye sockets and hit the forhead. so the blood drips down and blinds him.
Great episode! I like your theory of Halloween III being connected to the rest of the series (and the proceeding 'Thorn Trilogy' Halloweens) by connections between the cults - I'd never thought of that and it's a cool theory. Only trouble with it is that in Halloween III the original film can be seen playing on the T.V. ...in Halloween II (81) the scene where Loomis Indirectly causes death of trick-or-treater Ben Tramer has always appealed to my dark sense of humour but what makes it funnier is that the cop who crashes into him and kills him says that he didn't see him. So, did you not see that 20 ft van parked right behind him idiot? Eagerly awaiting the Halloween Dead Last Episode!
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"Making Stuff Up to Cover Holes in Movies is My Jam", I want that T-Shirt
Oh brother, me too!
In all honesty, I can see Micheal figuring out how to drive on his own. I didn't get behind the wheel of a car until I moved to Puerto Rico when I was 27. The only thing I needed a lesson on was parallel parking.
In the novel it explains he learned to drive by watching Loomis when he drove him.
Good point plus I highly doubt he’d follow the rules of the road even if he knew them.
I learned in 2 mins how to drive when I was 11
In the timeline where Strode is Michaels sister, Strode is scary smart. I always thought that Halloween (2018) that came out and her granddaughter is just as smart. Michael is smart!
Desperate times call for desperate measures. If Michael is on a rampage, then he or anyone for that matter would do whatever is necessary
If Laurie didn’t babysit, and went out with Ben Tramer, she’d of gone out with someone dressed exactly like Micheal Myers!
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If only 😫
Right enough.
and still no justice for Ben Tramer!
I think that foreshadows how Mike and Laurie always are connected even if it's familiar
It's always bugged me that Micheal gets shot in the eyes and they basically regrew.
Michael obviously has regenerating abilities. That's impossible for him to be in such good shapes in the sequels either way. Don't think of him as a regular human, he's supernatural. At least in the first timelines
Well he didn't get shot in the eyes. In Part II, even when the blood is streaming out of the mask's eye holes, his eyes were clearly visible and intact. Maybe the bullets grazed the side of his head, and blood got in his eyes.
@@robharris4646 that’s literally what it looks like to me...!🤷♂️👍
The first movie, in my opinion, is the best; dark, eerie and edge of the seat thrill-ride. I also like the 3rd movie; weird, but brilliant.
he got shot like 50 times at the end of part 4. no way none of the bullets hit a main artery or his heart.
Why would a Hospital Hydrotherapy tub even have a "Scalding" level?
For the patients that needed to be taught a harsh lesson, obviously.
@@BulletTooth504 hilarious answer!!
To clean equipment maybe.? 🤔
I'd never even thought of that
I love that Silver Shamrock masks are in Halloween Kills.
They lost their power though.
@@johnwolffe9590 they did but mainly because they did show the program on TV that actives them. Also I don't think that story is full canon. More of a nod.
@@jaysonpeterson2281 I like the idea that all Halloween films other than the Zombie films are within the same universe. And there is a secret society still working to try to cover up certain events.
@@johnwolffe9590 there's actually multiple lines four five and six are classified as the thorne timeline original, 2, 7 and 8 are the Laurie Strode continuity and then original, 2018 Halloween kills and Halloween ends are the Laurie Strode reset. Now technically the thorns still falls under the Laurie Strode continuity but due to the inclusion of the thorne storyline it's kind of been set to its own little universe.
@@jaysonpeterson2281 I that's technically true, but I prefer the expanded cult conspiracy cover up theory.
I love that the Halloween series has its own multiverse because there are so many different continuities now
With all these alternate timelines, Halloween is one of the series with the most unanswered questions x)
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literally all four of the stepfather films happen in a different universe
I would love a Halloween Infinite Crisis movie!
@@root-beer Uh ? I've seen them all. Only the fourth film is a remake. The first 3 movies happen in the same continuity.
@@doctornico1759 yes, but the stepfather literally dies at the end of every movie, even the director confirmed that he died at the end of the first film
Something interesting about the kid in the 2018 film, I actually auditioned for that role as an adult. The dialogue didn’t change at all, but it’s interesting that at some point between the first round of auditions and shooting they changed it from an adult and his adult son to an adult and his adolescent son. As a Halloween fan obviously I was disappointed not to get the role, but I felt better when I saw they went a completely different direction lol
Annie Wilkes actually said it best as she recounted her experience going to the 'chapter plays' in Misery. When we see that the paramedic was actually the one Laurie killed in H2O, Annie would have leapt to her feet and screamed 'This isn't what happened in H2O. Have you all got amnesia? It wasn't the COCKADOODIE PARAMEDIC! She didn't KILL a PARAMEDIC!"
We need to see the scene of Michael pulled over, reading maps with a ruler, trying to find the quickest street route back to Haddonfield, Illinois since Smith Grove Sanitarium was 150 miles north of Mikey’s home, with it being 1978, no freeways nor expressways.... Lol....
You think they didnt have freeways in the late 70s? Construction started in the 1950s. 41,000 miles worth of road. What I would want to see is him trying to pay the tolls.
🤣🤣. Both of you are hilarious. Now I can’t unsee Michael putting on his reading glasses and reading a map while paying tolls
Um by 78 there was plenty of highways....there not that new
Most folk just don't think of those things when it comes to movies.
Question for the first film: When Michael kills and takes the mechanics suit, why not steal his truck too? Why continue to drive a stolen government car? Well, the truck probably was a stick shift.
I always loved that car as a kid and wanted an exact model of it. It might of been the logo on the door.
I assume he wasn't thinking that far into it, he was written simply as "the shape" in that first script, after all. No thought process, just pure driven evil, that's honestly the way the character was regarded during the making of that first movie. The Lori character being his sister and all that were all afterthoughts during the writing of the sequels.
@@guybroyles48 *Laurie
@@spaceinvader8791 Lol. Thanks bud. I remember not being sure of the spelling, it's one of those names that is commonly spelled a few different ways. I'm not a die hand fan, so I have probably never seen the spelling. To be honest, I had to think for a second to remember the name. Not that I don't really like it, I think it's the best independent film ever made, it's defiantly one of the most successful, I'm just not all about it.
one thing though when loomis is waiting outside hardware store waiting for bracket myers drives right by him but loomis is facing other way and had he turned would have seen emblem on door of car and then probably go ape ???
the ironic moment would not exist ? i dont know just a thought
I love the theory that Halloween or Samhain is affecting more than just Michael. Would have worked well if the series did become an anthology. Reminds me of movies like Trick ‘r Treat or Tales of Halloween where a bunch of unrelated things are happening in the same town at the same time just because it’s Halloween.
That was apparently the idea originally, which explains Halloween 3, and apparently The Fog was supposed to be an idea
In regards to the lack of burn scars in pt.5, KNB FX actually designed some gnarly makeup effects for the unmasking scene but it was never used. From what I understand, it was like a mix of Freddy and Two Face.
Question #1: In the context of the original, Michael is pure evil,, very resourceful so he can operate any vehicle and any other machinery.
Answer to Question 2: honestly I figure that considering Michael's creepy amount of stealth. He broke in, took everything he needed, stashed this elsewhere then, figuring that he may need a distraction. Goes back and triggers the alarm on purpose. I mean figure how many places this man has broken into. How many places that even the damn dog didn't know. The dude's sneak is 1000
Crazy smart!!!
That was fun to watch. Thanks for the modern tour while you talked about Halloween. Was awesome.
Not only did Laurie have Jamie and John, but she also had her daughter Karen from the Halloween Ends trilogy, whom the state took away from her at the age of 12, and yes I would much rather she be the kind of person who thought that she was protecting Jaimie by letting the Lloyd family raise her, but figured that her son John Tate could handle her brand of crazy because he is a boy. Maybe Jamie does not remember her brother because they have different fathers, and Laurie has always felt after the first two movies that she was too traumatized to be a good mother and let John be raised by his father for a number of years, and for some reason he came back to live with his mother after his father died or otherwise couldn't keep him. Laurie is the kind of extreme person in Halloween 2017 that she would be willing to have all her children living separate lives under assumed names and faking deaths when needed to be safe from Michael, and she is always able to endure making painful decisions like giving up her kids because she sees it as necessary. She is a traumatized veteran of a private war, and knows that Michael will always keep coming. "Can we rationalize it? Well, that's what we do here, so sure!"
I was thinking that Jaime and John were twins and were sent to different houses just in case Michael found Laurie, he'd have a harder time finding both of her kids. She could've even set up a thing where, if one was found by Michael, the other would be told if possible.
I've seen Halloween 2 hundreds of times over the last 25, 30 years, and it was only about 5 years ago that I realized that it was a razor blade in that kid's mouth. The closeup of it always looked like a huge spit bubble to me. I was blown away when I found out and realized it was a razor.
In the book adaptation of Halloween 2, the ending is different! After the fire is put out, the investigators find only the charred body of Loomis and Michaels melted mask! I know the book is long out of print, but seek it out as it has additional differences as well.
Awesome video as usual. I for one would love to see you tackle Unanswered Questions for Total Recall next!
Hey, the intro to Resurrection was actually filmed the day the ending of H20 was filmed. The paramedic fake out was actually planned the whole time. Jamie Lee Curtis even knew ahead of time and was the one who asked to film the intro to the next movie on the same day
Yeh everyone forgets that but they should have left that in the final film instead of leading us on
Really like this channel. Been going through the back catalogue.
Question # 3: The kid with razor blade in his mouth is basically "trick or treat" mischievous stunt.
Question#2: Michael stealing a rope from the drugstore was to drag Judith Myers tombstone.
And to hang bobs body that why it swings down when Lori finds it
Tbh, if I'm armed and hunting a killer dressed like Michael Myers and I see someone dressed like Michael Myers, I'm definitely going to draw on him and take aim. That's not psycho, he had no way to know for sure it wasn't Michael and I definitely don't consider him culpable. Thus, I don't fault him for a lack of remorse.
So cool seeing all the different locations today. Definitely something I wanna do if Im ever in the area. Awesome video Josh!
i think some people forget, carpenter didn't expect and/or want any sequels after 78's film. so, when people look at 78's for foreshadowing and/or tie in's to other films, they're just a coincidence.
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I just figured the hardware store thing was a shop lifting incident. Michael lifted what he wanted, left without paying and the person behind the counter hit the alarm and notified the police.
Your Research is fantastic even showing me things I have missed in horror flicks. Love these timelines. Keep up the great work you’re knocking it out of the park
Theory - Loomis used to be part of the cult and rebelled and that's why he's so crazy.
It's no question which is the best Halloween-film. It's the 2nd one.
Question? Which 2nd one?
That was a really relaxing 30 minutes.
"Whenever you notice something like that? A wizard did it . . ."
Wow this has been the best unanswered questions episode yet!!! As always love the humor in these episodes. I commend you for trying to find some rationality in this series. That must have been hard.
I'm just relieved to know I'm not the only one who needs these answers...
Great video. As far as the rope, it was used to make bob swing in the doorway when Laurie walks in the room. But yeah you’re right whoever was in charge of continuity blew it.
So this movie series is set in Illinois & one thing that always bothered me was that at the Wallace house has a laundry room across the yard from the house. Do they not do laundry in the winter? It would be cumbersome to put on your snow suit to do the wash mid February. Just a nitpick.
Good point
RIP DONALD PLEASENCE 🙏🏻
Thank you for doing this video! you raised alot of interesting questions that I've always asked myself over the years but it seemed that movie-goers simply gave a pass to because of their love of the franchise! I too gave them passes but the continuity of the films were just crazy and all over the place when you really think about the events logically!
My theory on the Michael/break-in connection is that it was Plot Trope 419: The Red Herring.
Who broke into the hardware store? BEN TRAMER.
And I still think you can work H20 in with the rest of the series. It's a rough fit, but it can be done. Kinda moot at this point.
No it was Michael, i swear
@@bentramer682 I swear does ANYBODY in this town die when you set them on fire?
In the original "Halloween", when Laurie and Annie were on the way to the Doyle and Wallace houses to babysit, I thought that one of the cuts during that drive was pretty interesting.
The cut went from broad daylight to pitch dark, but they were on the same street before and after the cut, or at least in the same neighborhood.
The time it would take to go from day to night is alot longer than the drive would take from Laurie being picked up to the time they arrived at the Doyle and Wallace houses.
In other words we have some lost time in the original "Halloween".
There is no telling what could have happened during this lost time. Mabey Annie realized that she was being followed, and just drove around until the shape stopped following her from so close behind.
Perhaps a flashback in "Kills" or "Ends" will finally tie up this loose end.
I agree, Loomis kills Michael at the end of 6 and the Toymaker is another member of the Cult of Thorn.
Michael Myers getting driving lessons from a deranged cultist I need to see that
also at the time part 6 came out, the theatric edition had those green gel fetus babies, so did an episode of X-Files at the same time but nobody ever makes that connection how they were super beings in that episode of X-Files similar to Mike Myers
In my head, Michael had taught himself to drive by first paying attention to his parents driving as a child. The car they drive operates similarly to the one he drives, he was premeditating things even back then.
He did use the rope in 78 when he was turning Annie's home into a house of horrors (hanging up that body) and potentially even to do little theatric tricks like closing the door that locked Annie in that room from a distance (not to mention he weaponizes a cut of rope in the intro to Kills after this video was made.)
And the only reason he didn't kill that baby, imo despite what DGG says, was either 1) it wasn't old enough to recognize the malevolency that it was about to be put through and/or 2) he wants it to grow up with its family killed by him and potentially come back and torment them when they're older (likely with no true concept that he would be too old himself to do that by that point.)
I think Michel used the ropes to hang up bob when Laurie found him and I think were supposed to infer that the knife probably came from the hardware store
for question number 12, if the paramedic would’ve taken the mask off would Laurie have known who it was? Cause I’m not sure she actually knew what Michael looked like as an adult. She had that small memory of him in the flashback scene in H2 but that’s it. Unless she remembers what he looked like when she pulled his mask off in the final moments of the first film lol.
Wow brilliant. That actually slipped through the cracks. Makes perfect sense.
Great point! Why would she think it was anybody else?👍
Considering how much the events of that night scarred her, yes, should would probably remember what he looked like. And the paramedic did not particularly look like he was older than Laurie.
I think maybe she would’ve thought Michael wouldn’t have taken off his mask, that’s not something Michael does
@@JCMProductions yup
I'm picturing Michael Myers practicing parallel parking at midnight in an empty mall parking lot.
Question #14: Did Jamie every get that damn ice cream?
SHE'LL GET THE DAMN ICE CREAM WHEN SHE FIXES THIS DAMN DOOR!!!!!
@@MrParkerman6 I’m weak asf😂😂😂😂😂
Your channel rocks dude!
The best Halloween is the most recent one. Thank you for the video. My mom would do what you do in your videos and it cool to see that someone else had similar thoughts about a movie.
he obviously gets the mask before 2PM, he gets it sometime between the night before and the morning after. Probably 11AM-12PM.
4:35 he uses the rope to tie up Bob’s body that swings down on top of Laurie later on, he also uses some of the rope in the beginning of Halloween Kills during the flashback scene, to strangle a police officer.
Michael Myers: One of the most psychotic horror villains ever.
Also Michael Myers: Stops a kid as he bounds down some stone steps to keep him from falling over and hurting himself.
Dr Loomis' interactions with people in general from part 4 onwards always reminded me of Ric Flair's wrestling and promo work in his 60s; an over-the-top exaggeration of his better earlier work that, at any point, may turn into an abuse-filled tirade at any one in particular.
12:14 HAHAHAHA!!
MOST EXTREME ELIMINATION CHALLENGE I used to watch that all the time.
Haha I was crawling through here just to see if anyone else grabbed that solid MXC joke.
Questions 11 and 12 have the same answer: Resurrection was an irredeemable turd that had no business being filmed and should be ignored.
Agreed
"Right you are, Ken!" lol nice
For h20 there was a script where it was apart of the thorn trilogy and Michael took laurie head stone and next to hers was Jamie and laurie found out that Jamie died, check out we watched a movie- Halloween 7
Actually, in the end of H20, it was always intended to *Not* be Micheal, as daft as that sounds.
You see, they were already Planning the sequel; Halloween Resurrection and obviously wanted H20 to leave it open, but Jamie Lee Curtis wasn't interested, which is why she dies straight away in Resurrection.
And it was Her idea to let audiences Think that Micheal is Dead at the end of H20 and Not reveal the Twist until the next film. And the studio obliged.
As far as the break in and alarm thing, it's entirely possible Michael stole the mask earlier in the day, which would explain why we see it in all the scenes before that. He doesn't do any killing until later. This could mean he robbed the store twice, the second time being after school is out when he got the knives and rope, only this time he set off the alarm.
I think the answer to 13 is that the intended victim must be able to comprehend fear of him. The fear he creates gives his evil power.
I believe micheal has some.dort of healing factor that allows him to heel from wounds
My head cannon for the baby is that the baby is going to grow up to be evil and Michael can sense it
just watched! Love the content
I’m ready for the Dead Last episode for Halloween 👀
Me too!
Oh yeah! That's gotta be coming, right?
FRIDAY!!!
@@movietimelines how about Hammer Horror of the mummy?
The movies?
Halloween III redemption arc let's get going! I think part of why I'm softer on Halloween 6 than most is because I prefer thinking that Michael is supernatural to some extent. Though, I'll grant I prefer it in a more generic "he's pure evil personified" rather than being part of a druid cult. I think it makes his ability to survive some things (particularly the end of Halloween II) make more sense. He seems not just as resilient as Jason but to actually have true regenerative properties.
He just needs a year-long nap in a hobo's cabin every now and then.
Halloween III in the same world as the other movies? Yes, they could have made a movie about the Babysitter Murders - but we actually SEE Jamie Lee Curtis on the in-world tv. It only works if Laurie Strode went to Hollywood and portrayed herself in that movie.
Very meta.
It's also possible that when real audiences saw the original in 1978, they were actually seeing the fictional world's made-for-TV movie based on the Babysitter Murders, from start to finish.
We all know these movies were given fresh starts and New scenarios just to keep the franchise going but it sure is great to talk about the inconsistencies!
The Easiest Answer to get is "How is the Halloween Movie in Halloween 3?" Its easy because back in the Old Days. They LOVED to make TV Movies of the Week about Real Life Happenings. So they would DEFINATLY have made some cheap money /viewer Grab type of movie about it back then....and played it on a following Halloween. Simple.
Plus it would somewhat explain why they are still selling the same mask years later in Part 4, at least PR wise. "These masks aren't based on what a serial killer wore, it's based on what a movie character wore."
They would have for sure. Burt Young as Dr. Loomis, Charlene Tilton as Laurie and Ed Asner as Sheriff Brackett.
That would only work if Laurie Strode went to Hollywood and played herself in that movie. It actually shows Jamie Lee Curtis's face.
@@robharris4646 Or Jamie Lee just looks a lot like Laurie, same way Jennifer Tilly looks a lot like Tiffany
I remember watching Halloween for the first time 3 years after it's launch... Scared the hell out of me so where, we had a big house we lived in I was scared to go in it😊
The only question I’ve got is for part 3. Towards the end of the movie after they escape from Cochran, Ellie attacks Challis and is revealed to be a machine. What happened to Ellie? Was she always a machine? Did she die and they managed to make a full-size duplicate in just a few hours?
The car crash thing but also they show a picture of scissors which Jaime used at end of part four. Those were probably Easter eggs or like you said simitry. Never heard no one debunked it like that before lol. Good job lol!
The newspaper clippings in the beginning of H20 features a pair of bloody scissors which references Jamie Lloyd and Danielle Harris
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Mother's are generally not in the NICU and PICU units of a hospital after the first week. Some mother's may have been in the hospital but would have been in a different unit.
22:17 i heard the Loomis scream is taken from the Producers cut after hes Cursed by Wynn.
yep it is.
In the first Halloween, I think Michael did break in the hardware store to steal a knife and rope. Maybe the rope could’ve been used to tie up Laurie and bring her back to his home to do some kind of ritual. Most likely after he killed her but never got the chance/abandoned that part of the plan. The masks that were stolen probably were a bunch of teenagers who took advantage of the situation, hence why Ben Tramer had a similar mask to Michael’s.
Loomis does lose his sanity as the films progress and he becomes extremely irrational and insane. He’s clearly obsessed with trying to get rid of Michael, even if he inadvertently puts those around him in mortal danger. But in a strange way, those in power around him including the police unwillingly have no choice but to give Loomis autonomy as he’s the only person who knows what Michael Myers is capable and may be the person to actually stop him.
In Halloween resurrection, one of the nurses says “Laurie’s son doesn’t visit anymore.”🤔 c’mon, son!😁
Also the serial killer groupie mentions that 4 students were killed at that school. I guess Michael strolled off to finish family business as Laurie decapitated some unnamed cop.
This sequel is a comedy film up there with Scream 😂
The only scene I agree that Michael for sure has the mask early is when he's across from the school. The driving shot, house shot, and breathing shot were all left ambiguous and I believe that is intentional. Admittedly, I did always think that Michael outside the school was just Laurie's imagination.
Question 1 is answered in the novelization that was released. Whether it's canon or not is debatable, but the answer is really simple: Michael is depicted as very very intelligent and actually paid attention to the people driving him back and forth between Smith's Grove and his court-appointed hearings to see if he was competent to stand trial for the murder of Judith Myers.
About the alarm, it could be possible that the store had been closed for lunchtime. Mom and Pop stores do often close down for an hour for lunch, so it might not have been open during the day (or it could have been closed due to a family emergency).
For H20, there was originally a scene that was cut from the script where a student reads a report on Michael and mentions Jamie's death, which Laurie wasn't aware of, showing a connection to the past films.
And for Michael not killing the baby, it could be simple: The baby doesn't provide any challenge. Every other kill had someone attempting to put up a fight either before or during. Maybe he enjoys the fact that his victims struggle before or during his killing them. But then again, Michael is a bit of an enigma, so it's hard to say why he does or doesn't do something.
i feel like the reason michael myers doesn't kill or specifically target unknown children that often is because when he looks at them, it's like he sees his childhood reflecting right back at him. reminding him of what he used to be before he stabbed his sister on halloween night. but it only lasts temporarily before he just kind of... moves on to whatever victim's next.
What I want to know is what is with Deborah Myers "ghost" in Rob Zombie's Halloween 2? I dunno it seems to be a hallucination of Michael but then Laurie can see her too and then she physically restrains Laurie and what is up with that?
I don't like Zombie's take on the theme. The originals were better in my opinion.
I was so ready for this! What's next, Texas chainsaw?
Carpenter's original; ominously nasty.
Michael uses the rope to hang the 1 dude in the 3rd act. I believe he also uses rope in the flashback from Kills
But Halloween 4 when Myers climbs up on that truck, the one guy looks straight ahead the whole time while Michael kills the other two lol
Love the channel bro, glad to see you're in my area lmao
LA or South Pas?
@@movietimelines LA, but I was raised in South Pas
Something to support your theory of Cochran being a member of the California offshoot of the Cult of Thorn, is that despite Halloween being a movie within a movie in Halloween III, that actually fits well with the world shown in Halloween H20, where Halloween was also a motion picture! This is evident by the fact Scream 1-2 exists in the world of H20, and Halloween plays a big part in the third act of Scream. So in the world of H20, Jamie Lee Curtis played a fictional version of Laurie Strode, who is believed by the world to have died in a car crash (the authorities know who Kari Tate is, since this sounds like a witness protection cover up).
i like the format of visiting the locations from the movies and the mention of the unanswered questions. considering the flaws and loony crap that all of the halloween flicks have. small or big. some stuff can maybe be over looked. probably easy to just watch halloween and halloween h20 or halloween and halloween 2018. they kept it simple. keep the boogieman simple. i like the character in general. its the movies themselves i like or dont like for whatever reason. only a few of them.
Halloween and Halloween 2 work simple together. It was all surposed to end there anyway.
Okay, better question about Halloween 2: What happened to all those babies Mrs. Alves was chewing Karen out about when the hospital, you know, exploded? That's a massive, smoke-filled fire with no obvious suppression system and nobody left alive to evacuate the babies.
I never realized what a psycho Loomis was. Maybe he was Billy's grandfather.
2 questions remain. Who was Jamie's father, & who was John's father? Also, there's absolutely no way to rationalize or explain how the paramedic could survive both the crash & being pinned between the vehicle & a tree.
Especially since his larynx had already been bruised to the point he couldn't speak, he had to have breathing issues with that, so even if he hadn't suffocated in the bag the crash and tree would've killed 'em.
if you look carefully when the blood starts driping out it coming above his Eyes not from the Eye sockets. which means when Laurie shot him the bullets enter above his eye and eye brows and hit the forhead.. remember Laurie shot him from the floor going up toward the eyes but missing the eye sockets and hit the forhead. so the blood drips down and blinds him.
Great episode! I like your theory of Halloween III being connected to the rest of the series (and the proceeding 'Thorn Trilogy' Halloweens) by connections between the cults - I'd never thought of that and it's a cool theory. Only trouble with it is that in Halloween III the original film can be seen playing on the T.V. ...in Halloween II (81) the scene where Loomis Indirectly causes death of trick-or-treater Ben Tramer has always appealed to my dark sense of humour but what makes it funnier is that the cop who crashes into him and kills him says that he didn't see him. So, did you not see that 20 ft van parked right behind him idiot?
Eagerly awaiting the Halloween Dead Last Episode!
I do tend to believe that h2o exists in the Thorn timeline and I don't count resurrection or the Rob zombie films. They're just hot garbage.
So Laurie just forgets about Jamie?
I just ignore Resurrection, since it sucked so badly. That solves the issue of the paramedic with the crushed windpipe.
I didnt even know halloween 2 had a different version for tv lmao also I miss chiller
Always knew prt.6 answered tht question! Wynn is the man who taught him how 2 drive!
"Right you are, Ken"