Emirates is screwed. Will Airbus come to the rescue?
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Chapters:
Intro - 0:00
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Emirates & the A380 - 2:10
A380 2.0 - 4:22
A380NEO - 6:00
Emirate's best option - 8:36
Outro - 10:43
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The A350-1000 is currently the largest plane Airbus builds. But according to Sir Tim Clark, it’s simply not big enough. In recent months, the long-time Emirates president has been calling on Airbus to think bigger & build a true A380 replacement. To some, these calls make no sense - the A380 was a massive $30 billion boondoggle, and hyper-efficient twins - like the 787 - are just far more economical and far more versatile than massive quadjets. So why, then, does Emirates want a next-generation Jumbo? And, more importantly, will Airbus actually build them one? Let me explain…
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But Coby, what about the A350-2000? Airbus has said it wants to further stretch the A350-1000...could that also be a solution? I'm a train Choo Choo
Great question, Coby Trains! On the surface, this could work For Emirates, this solution means they'd be re-allocating A380 pilots onto the A350, which would be easier than training them on the 777X. And Emirates has A350s on order, so it won't be a huge shock to the fleet.
The problem is that the A350-2000 would be closer to the 777-9 than the 777-10 in capacity. But could be overcome w a 10-abreast layout. What does everyone else think?
bro who is Coby Trains
choo choo
I don't understand why they aren't acquiring used A380s if they really need them so badly. Aren't there a bunch of airlines dropping the A380
Airbus is currently working on the modifications for the A350's fuselage. They are trying to increase the usable cabin width to accommodate 10-abreast configurations on A350. This could add around 30 more economy class seat on A350-1000. This would mean that, A350-1000 would have similar capacity to B777-9.
Airbus won't make A350-2000 since there are no engines from Rolls Royce that accommodate more thrust. If they use the same engines they got on A350-1000, the MTOW and range would be severely reduced, making the A350-2000 underpowered for many long-haul routes Airlines wants to fly.
The A380 trips I took from Dubai to Auckland and back (both roughly a 17 hour flight) were a dream. What a plane
@@facta-non-verba What are we supposed to do with this information
@@facta-non-verba LMAO
@@facta-non-verba do what's easy, not what's easy?
@@facta-non-verba don't use cars. Your gas might be from there.
@言行一致 You're a bit delusional, you know that?
To stretch the 777 any further they would have to make a very tall undercarriage or the tail with hit the ground on take-off .
Just stretch ahead of the wings, like an md80
@@benhart16 you have to maintain the center of gravity within the center of lift. MD 80 had rear engines, so the forward fuselage had to be longer to counter the engine weight
Maybe Emirates itself should consider making an aircraft with airbus’s help
The largest plane being called not big enough sounds funny to me.
All those ultra long haul travelers out there….!!! We all know the A380 was by far the most comfortable long haul aircraft, especially in F/J class.. I really love that plane
Here here!
100%
agreed
My Emirates A380 flight from Melbourne to Dubai was my best flight ever. All 4 middle row seats to use for myself as a bed. Great service and sleep. Arrived fresh as a daisy and all for the price of 1 economy airfare.
@Valentine Stewart Not airlines in countries with cheap oil. Emirates does not have to care about fuel economy.
Airbus should try the concept of the a370 that has existed years ago, a double decker with two engines
A370! basically an A380 with a reduced top deck (like 747) and 3 engines.
I personally LOVE the A380. It matters not to me that its costly, and sure it could do with a redesign, but the aircraft is so beautiful and safe that I cannot help but love it.
The double deck design is actually more tail strike-friendly, bc if the 777-10 will be built, the plane will be so long that u can barely lift up the nose on takeoff, a bit too more and the tail will scrape the ground
The short a380 doesn't have that problem
This is mitigated by training and flying the airplane at the correct speed before rotation.
@@reubenmorris487 But it means the "correct speed" has to be high, which means thrust-to-weight has to be increased, which means worse fuel economy. The downside of a shorter fuselage like the 380, of course, is bigger cross-sectional area which means more drag which means worse fuel economy. Aint no such thing as a free lunch in aircraft design.
Apparently because of the shorter length and overall weight constraint the A380 is not quite as good as the 777 for carrying some freight as well as passengres so the 777-X should have that advantage as well. All aircraft are designed with sufficient length landing gear to enable safe rotation to the correct angle but of course if you over-rotate it will tail scrape. Some of us would implore Airbus to build an A380 neo but it would have to be sure to be profitable because the A380 lost them heaps. Maybe if Emirates committed to 400 of them but can we see that??
having our heads in the clouds for long creates a whole lot of hot air
loved our stay at the Anantara Siam Bangkok in March this year - thank you !
I like the higher cabin pressure on the A380. It was comfy, very resistant to turbulence and a quiet plane. Loved it
I flew all the major aircraft ( in biz class) and A380 is by far the most comfortable and enjoyable craft to fly on, however airlines car far more about operational efficiency and profit for which A380 is not a strong design
Absolutely! There is no competition when it comes to passenger comfort and extra cabin space when in the A380! I have traveled on the 747 many times and the 777 but none of them come even close to the A380 in those categories! There is simply no option currently for replacement!
The cabin pressure is no problem for me, but Airbus planes are much quieter than Boeing planes and that is something I (as a passenger) take into consideration.
It is too quiet. You can hear all the noise the other passengers make.
Toilet sizes are great too.
I worked for Emirates some years ago. One thing they are good at is picking routes that are not popular and improving them so loads are very good. Couple of things....the original 777 was designed to have folding wings for easier gate access. Emirates are already the largest A380 customer on the planet, and I expect that benefits costs. Many other airlines got them in small numbers, so they do not gain the numerical advantages. i.e, aircraft needs lots of special maintenance equipment, much like a new design car. With a large fleet, you can spread those costs across many more aircraft (or cars). Emirates do their own maintenance on A380's in house with that philosophy whereas most other A380 operators have to send them to a specialist maintenance facility for heavy maintenance. That is making someone else rich....
Airbus knees to make a airbus a 380 neo for emirates, and if other airlines, see the emirates finds the plane really well. Other airlines may then pick the airbus A380 Neo
Best flight I ever took was on an Emirates A380 from NYC to Dubai. Amazing plane.
Well, Airbus can develop the A390, a plane similar to the abandoned Boeing Y3, since it's both a Double-Decker, and a twin engine jet. But the wing will be modified with a folding wingtip, with the Airbus Sharklet, and the Sharklet will be FIXED with the folding part of the wing, but all made of composite unlike the A380. And the wingspan would be the same as the A380, but with a folding wing, it will take up less space at the gate.
Or perhaps Boeing could rivive the 747 from the grave and build another so-called 747X with the same core design as the 777X wing design with folding wingtips and GE9X Engines, but on the 747 instead of the 777. And they could also put new windows and increase the cabin width on the 747, and also lengthen the fuselage even more to seat 500+ passengers. The 747X could be Reimagined as the 747-9X, which the 747-9X would be an ULTRA-LONG RANGE HGW version of the 747-8i, but with the same GE9X engine on the smaller 777X, but with the exact same fuselage on the 747-8, but slightly redesigned with the interior of the 777X. The 747-9X could have held the record as being The Longest Range Double Decker ever built. The 747-10X is the 747 with the upper deck EXTENDED almost the entire length of the plane, to the front of the tail. The wing tips on the 747X will also fold up, just like the 777X, to ensure the LARGE double decker can fit into smaller Size-E gates. The 747X wings might've ALMOST been the same length as the A380's wings, but when folded up, have the same span as the 777-300ER. The 747-9X can seat up to 467 passengers in a 3-class configuration or up to 605 all economy, just like the 747-8. The 747-10X will seat 496-505 Passengers in a 3-class configuration, or 729 if all economy. Both variants of the 747X would've had the GE9X engines also used on the 777X.
No Airline should dictate the industry.
The a380 is so nice, flew it to san from from London and then 747 on the way back, they where night a day apart, the a380 was quiet and so much nicer!
I mean so many airlines have been bringing back the a380 so there may be some turns in the fate of the super jumbo.
i had my own plans for an a340neo (recently)
I had plans for the antonov b380
I had all sorts of plans for my life.
2 engine A380 with Ultrafans
Enjoy a YomTov of everything good. When Moshiach comes we'll need a lot of seats!
Honestly no more A380 makes me want to cry. It's so comfortable. I've done SYD DXB with the a380 and 777 and I can assure you the 777 was NOT comfortable at all. Sad day for passengers when the A380 ceases 😞
Beautifully narrated and i loved the content. Very informative. Keep it up.
Love the A 380 flown it many
times with Emirates
0:21 i too have watched the same a380 documentary far to many times
I’ve been lucky to fly the A380 many times, a wonderful passenger aircraft 👏👏
I agree, quieter and more comfortable than any more recent aircraft. Also fabulous if lucky enough to travel Emirates upstairs.
From a passengers point of view, the A30 is the most comfortable, most roomy and most quiet airliner I've ever flown on. My number one favourite.
Airbus would have to be mad at this point to go into developing a new superjumbo what with the lack of demand and the 777X right around the corner. Makes much more sense stretching the A350 and looking forward to what their next brand new jet should be.
I think there's always a place for super jumbos in the world but we might have to wait a few decades for the next one.
I didn't expect to like the A380, but recently flew in it to and from Chicago last month.
It was comfortable and fast.
The return trip was the quickest I have had.
Love four engines.
Chicago from/to where? The distance of your flight makes a big difference regarding your experience.
@@londonalicante to and from ohio
Don’t forget that the 777 picks up all the (very large) crumbs that the A380 drops, and so saves the airline from the accountants.
The tv screen in the currrent a380 is 480p at best. Hope they make if at least 1080p
Definitely should build a380 neo.
I'm sure Airbus will be happy to build Tim a next generation a380, if he's happy to pay for it. More likely a dig at Boeing 777 non-delivery I reckon
A380 is a pure engineering marval, a lot of technology needs to create in order to make it fly. That helped Airbus in the NEO and XWB program.
Honestly A380 Neo... LOVE IT!! If only someone from Airbus is watching
Thank you for sharing.
A 380, o avião mais belo e importante da história da aviação!!!!!!
Airbus could opt for a retrofit idea to extend the operation life of the A380 by fitting new engines (Royals Royce) to the discarded A380, going around the need for designing a new model
I feel like Emirates should really just make the “Switch!”
Bring back the 747!
Your on-screen graphics have really improved tremendously, and make the commentary much easier to understand. Well done!
On the pilot shortage note, even though the A380 only needs 2 pilots to operate, they still need multiple sets of pilots on the aircraft for rest requirements on longer flights.
Yes, but that is true for any aircraft. If you need more planes, you need more pilots, independently of the size of the aircraft.
@@andreaseufinger4422 Well yes obviously, however I was just pointing out that any flight thats more than 8 hours in duration would require 4 pilots. 4 pilots to move the same amount of passengers on 2 narrow body aircraft, which would also be 4 pilots…
@@tatoween1 I'm not sure Andreas's point has been fully recognised: a long haul on *each* of the narrowbodies would require 4 pilots, so to carry the same amount of passengers in total as the widebody to the same distant destination, you'd need a total of 8 pilots on the narrows (because you need two flights) and only 4 on the wide.
We are used to seeing double the amount of pilots on widebodies than thins only because fats typically fly longer. But if thins go longer routes, they'll require double numbers of pilots, too, even though they've still half the passengers. (And appropriately for the wides on short routes doing without the relief.)
@@villiamo3861 I understand what you’re saying, however, theres no company doing 18 hour flights on a 737/A320 so the argument of the amount of pilots needed to crew the flight is invalid. You still end up paying more for a wide body long haul crew. Not only in the amount of pilots but the pay rate. This isn’t to include the cabin crew either.
@@tatoween1 You have to compare the same things. If the passenger wants to a destination 10 hours away you can't tell him "Why not taking this 4 hour flight?"
Unless the 4 hour flight would be on a Concorde of course
Build a longer , more cost efficient Jumbo. Everyone wants to see 747s in the sky again ! 😢
The ball is literally in the court of Airbus...
Talk amongst yourselve's...
I hope for this so much, seeing how my town's economy relies on the Everett Factory
Boeing is screwing your hometown.
@@mikedineen7857 yeah, not very many other options tho… my town is building a new industrial center tho, which is ok
@@mikedineen7857 and people like you, Mike, are screwing our world. TIME TO... ya know.. "MOVE ON" old man!
@@vtjake3761 VT Jake must be one of the morons in SC screwing up the Boeing brand.
with emirates being a big customer, airbus/boeing should be careful, lockheed may want to put their hand up, build an 380 equivalent and also branch into smaller 320's. Competition is always there to pick up the scraps that sometimes turn into bigger things.
Honestly which competition?
I got to see a beautiful Emirates A380 when flying back Home from London
Airbus on the A380 been there done that I think airbus is probably still stinging over the amount of money they lost on that!!
Loved the Video very informative but you are wrong on one count.... the A380 is best suited for long haul flights over 10 hours... Most airlines as well as countries require flights over 8 hours require more pilots and flight attendants to cover breaks needed for the crews...
imagine having to double that for 2 planes instead of 1 to move the same amount of pax, the point made in the video still stands, you will still need double the pilots, whether it's 2 or 4 per plane, if long haul needs more crew, the problem is even worse with smaller planes (instead of needinh 2 extra pilots, you would need 3 or 4 perhaps)
I think a retro fit of better engines on the 380 - even without a frame or wing upgrade - would extend their economic life. In the end - someone will have to make a new jumbo, so maybe that buys enough time. The airframe life can be extended.
Do you think someone will have to build a new jumbo or will long range and small efficient jets render super hubs like Dubai obsolete?
@@kadafi4lyf Well it depends on whether you think people want to sit in miserable shit boxes like 777s and 787.
The bad seats are up to airlines - not the plane, so I don't see that difference in this discussion. I recently traveled on a 380 on an airline I will not name and it was the worse seat I've ever had to endure. I do think that there are enough airlines that need the hub style and can use the seat capacity of a 380 style plane.
@@robstein67 haha, what a load of bollocks. You've never even been on a plane
Instead of FORCING Airbus to produce more Neo 380s, Emirates should buy up all the remaining 380s from all other operators at a discount.
WIN WIN for all !!
In my opinion they should make a double decker twin jets
I'd love an A380Neo. As a passenger, nothing beats the quietness of the existing A380, so a more silent one would be simply wonderful. I know it's unlikely but if Airbus gambles and if the Indian aviation market grows enough there may be a business case for it. Lots of ifs, VERY unlikely but dreamers like me will dream.
MK KM - "a more silent one would be simply wonderful". Late Dec '78 was on one much quieter than that flown by Delta. They called it "TriStar", we ran outta gazz over Marrietta, & when cleared thunderstorm, it was quiet all the way to ATL, you'd a loved it!! This was on the ATL - ATL segment via DTE, O'Hare, Cleveland, Philly - ATL! Flight originally West Palm - Tampa - ATL - DTE, but liner ahead slid sideways crushing gear at 1st dry spot. Capt pulled up, gear up, lifted left wing missing tail by about 12'. Alit at foote, heavy brakes, kidde corner rt at 1st exit, same to left on taxiway, heavy brakes, slid across AMR apron pulling in empty AMR Gate. When airspeed slacked, lost amps from RAT so blacked out, Fire-Rescue lost us. Four AMR ground crews put out our tire fires & our Captain announced. "Welcome back to Atlanta, Home of Delta"! Capt stayed on plane as no anything available at ATL, so until PIC left, nobody could evict us!! Sorry that right there was where your dream flight ended. Passengers & crew so frickin' glad to be still alive after 1st dead stick landing of any Jumbo even in testing, so AMR threw us a party all night. AMR happy as ATL only had only 1 runway due to construction and per AMR Senior Pilot, "We had mega tons of tin up there circling, and all were rootin' for ya'll!"
You must not have been in a 787 then.
Currently unattainable. The a380 needs 4 engines and no current 2 engine option exists that provides enough thrust while providing the efficiency it needs to go against its sleaker cousins
@@MrElmostudios Yup. Why I called it a dream.
You're thinking too far inside the box. Most Emirates A380s are powered by paltry EA GP7270s, which produce about 75 000 lbf at take-off, for 300 000 lbf total. And guess what? GE makes engines, notably the GE9X, that produce over 100 000 lbf per unit. If you really want to cut engines for fuel efficiency, you figure out how to mount three GE9X engines onto the plane. The GE9X is more efficient per unit thrust than then GP7270 already, as well as the RR Trent 900s used on the A380. Not as efficient as one of the XWB-97s on the A350-1000, but those cap out at 97 000 lbf, under what we'd need to make a 3-engine configuration.
Now sure there would be complexities, but most of those would come from figuring out the third engine mounting in the middle like a 727. Also I don't think Airbus usually works with GE (most of the modern planes either run Engine Alliance or Rolls-Royce), so that relationship might need to be opened up, assuming that GE doesn't have some kind of exclusivity contract with Boeing on the GE9X engines. Of course they could also see if RR could squeeze another few thousand lbf from the XWB project to put it over 100 000 per engine, which would be enough for the passenger version at least.
I'm an airline pilot (>30 years experience) and I've been hearing the "pilot shortage *lie*" since the day I took my first flying lesson. 🤣
the shortage is lie ?
@@alexgreat3349 it's not really a shortage as in not enough pilots. It's that the training and flight hours needed is soo long and difficult to get hours that you don't have enough qualified pilots, similar in medicine with surgeons and docgors
@@MrElmostudios that's literally a shortage.
The problem I hear is airlines trying to cut-price and dissect their pilots by outsourcing them and trying to undercut their pay.
Poor industry practice indeed...
It's not a lie
@@MrElmostudios so a shortagem
Airbus should go with a blended wing-body airplane.
If EK want a "next generation jumbo" they should buy the 748 then and problem solved! And it doesn't even need to be designed. Go to Boeing and order.
As much as I love the Airbus A380 and want it back in production, along with the outgoing Boeing 747 production. The Boeing 777-10 seems the only feasible option. I just hope they don’t make it cramped and more difficult for passenger comfort, as aircrafts already have been !
Whaf if the A380NEO is an A380 with XWB engines?
Does a plane with 4 engines make sense in the year of 2022 economically?
That could work as the XWB-84 has relatively similar thrust output as the Trent 900, however it's somewhat bigger and heavier so that could impact CG and may require strengthening
@@pflaumenhaggis If you are from one of the richest countries in the world, maybe
@@Haywood-Jablomie maybe, but it's not environmental friendly. I think some European customers will boycott it... There are other planes which are great. B787, B777X, A350 etc.
@@pflaumenhaggis nobody boycotts, also if they fill it up fully it would be just as environmentally friendly
An A380 successor would be nice and for sure smart!
Build them on Arab ground in a joint venture, risk on their side…….
Also the 777 has only 2 engines BIG SAVINGS
A380 lovely aircraft flew on it a couple weeks back.
Airbus should consider a lengthened A350neo version that can compete with any B777x ...
This is the point that pretty much everybody forgets (incl. Coby): An A350neo will come!
It's very likely that by the time a 777X-10 will fly with passengers, Airbus will offer an A350neo.
I don't understand why this fact is ignored in such comparissons. The 777X long-term competitior is the A350neo!
@@Luke_Go I didn't forget, I made a video on the A350neo a couple years back ◡̈
@@cobyexplanes I watch all of your videos :-) My comment was related to this video where I missed an A350-1100neo (which is currently somewhat as likely as a 777X-10).
Also: hydrogen or hybrid by 2040 would fit the current Airbus timeline for its ZEROe program. With hydrogen, the size of a super jumbo might even be good. A very simplified idea would be to stretch the A380, use the extra space for hydrogen storage, and give it a "neo-upgrade." Who knows? Maybe Emirates might even chip in $5 billions? :D
@@Luke_Go One of the big problems with hydrogen though is that you need a huge storage space to hold it - much larger than normal fuel tanks. So a plane the A380's size and weight would hold a ton of hydrogen and not nearly as many passengers, which would kind of defeat the purpose I think
@@cobyexplanes I did consider non-fuel tank storage and thought that an A380 stretch would give extra room in the back over two decks.
No clue if that would be enough space. However, I do know that Airbus has designed at least one A380 stretch variant and that part of such a fuselage stretch engineering is done.
Of coure, I agree that such a hypothetical A380 isn't a real long-term solution. It's pretty much just maximizing current plans until a new clean-sheet airplane is financed.
I also agree with you that until recently an A380neo (or other upgrade) didn't make financial sense, but that the market has now changed. So, who knows how the market will look like in 2035 or 2040? I guess it will be with hydrogen, but, honestly, I don't know.
The only way I see for a a A380 replacement, is if it could be made as a 2 engine airplane. Maybe with the RR Ultra Fan engine? Continuing using 4 engines, wiil not achieve the economy a 2engine solution can, resulting with the same problem the A380's have!
If they want more why don’t they just purchase all the ones going other airlines are dumping?
I think they should make an a380neo, plus or even an blended wing with the capacity of an a 380 or abouth. In case of an blended wing design, they would have the worlds first blended wing in thier fleet, which would have a much higher range. But then, there would be the problem withe the emergency exits... they could solve this with an V-design like that on the flying v, but with some extra exits on the inside.
Boeing should just make a 707-90 to complete against the 777-9 and the Cessna 172
707 is discontinued
@@FlatEarthKiller r/whoosh
@@ImpendingJoker go away redditor! If this was a joke, there was no sarcasm value and if 707-90 existed, I havent learned of it.
After flying in a A380 even in Economy, all other types feel like riding a fkn Greyhound bus.
Fascinating!
All your articles are good but I think this is one of your best. Well written, balanced and very informative. Keep up the good work
Thanks Colin!
Emirates should buy up all the other A380s airlines do not want and storing them where conditions are ideal. Then rotate those with the existing fleet to keep individual airframe hours and cycles low to stretch the life of the fleet for years longer. Then 777s when the A380 fleet has been stretched to the limit.
Good idea. Most airlines would be glad to get rid of their 380s .
Dubai or UAE is a poor place to store aircraft. High humidity in the summer, and high heat. So many stored 380s, that didn't fly in the pandemic, will not fly again. Due corrosion, damaged interiors.
But they need so many departures between the big destinations still. They need to move more people in each flight.
I agree because there's alot of them out there, like the Ethiad A380s for example.
A380 is inefficient. Cant survive.
🇮🇪 brilliant video sharing very good
Thank you very much!
Great explanation/analysis 👍👍
we recently flew Emirates from Auckland to Heathrow, 777 to Dubai, them A380 to UK, from a passenger point of view the 777 is a truck in comparison to the A380
Trucks can be luxurious lol
please give more details.
777 is a cash cow compared to the A380.
@@vasopel it was very noisy, mostly the ventilation system, even with airbuds in it was too loud
@@mumbles2000 oh I see.
But would the 777-10 have the same range as the 777-9 or the 787s (which has excellent range for a Boeing product ngl)?
I heard that , they could bump up the MTOW of the -9X to improve range , since the -8X passenger varient may not enter into service. The -10X could get something similar.
Maybe , I don't know, but something like that
@@mmm0404 interesting, but i can say that if they can get a high MOTW of the-9 variant, they would probs get more orders tbf
Excelent question. I don't think it will be possible.
@@mmm0404 The MTOW is a matter of wing efficiency and structure. With all the difficulties Boeing is dealing to get the 777X certification, I don't think they are thinking about reenginnering any variant...
@@MarceloTrindade1 Yaa , for now they have alot on their plate.
But remember they managed to stretch the 787 twice with the same 788 wing and are working on both a HGW of the 787-9 and -10...
If they managed to do that with the 787 it is possible with the 777X . Obviously right now is not the time for that , bit it is possible
Interesting thought 777-10 🤔 makes economic sense and also provides flexibility moving forward.
A380neo we pray
The issue with better engine technology in the future that makes them more efficient, such as 20% more efficient like you said on the video, will make the a380 use less fuel, but that same new engine being put on a single story plane like the 777, will still get better fuel efficiency, so it's a wash.
Emirates can always do what Qantas did - retire a couple of A380s and strip them for parts. There are plenty around that everyone else is trying to sell.
747 with the UltraFan. Even Looonger Live the Queen!
i wish the 747-8 would become even larger
I enjoyed flying in the A380 business class so much room. It was so much more comfortable that 1st class in a 747.
did you sit upper deck on the 747?
The 47 is a way better plane top to bottom. Boeing1
It was the engine manufacturers that saw the unprofitable development of a new engine. If RR is willing to do a reduced fan sized engine for a A380NEO, like GE did for the 747-8, then it might be a possibility.
The other factor would be the fact that Emirates would have to finance them as no lease company would take the A380 on especially as Emirates would want to dispose of then around the 12 year mark and there is no secondary market for this type.
Plus that the A380 project was actually a net loss of Airbus due to the huge development cost and low sales figures. They'd want at least enough sales locked in to make it profitable, and Emirates has already been willing to break order deals in the past, having canceled orders on A350s because they didn't like the A350-1000 design.
They should build a successor.
Airbus has always been struggling in widebody whereas Boeing struggling for the narrow bodies
Add 4x RR Trent 895 off B772ER.
More thrust but less overall fuel burn - 3-ish tonne per engine per hour.
A380 burns 13 tonne per hour so shall drop to 12 tonne but allow 380 to lift more!
Huge issue with 380 is its too heavy.
Imagine the amount of walking the pax or crew would have to do if they stretch the 777 any further.
777 sucks
And hit the tail on take off
@@TheGecko213 well, they have tail strike detection systems already.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 One of the best selling aircraft in the world, so that is solely your own uninformed opinion. haha
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 777 >>>
can you run a programme on costs of running an airline
Airbus already discard an A380neo as it wouldn't be profitable for them and for engine manufacturers. Airbus did announce an A380plus but Emirates didn't order it as it was 'not good enough'.
I mean, what:s good enough for them? If they can’t accept a 380 NEO or plus, then they just have to choose an extremely expensive 3-floor aircraft.
@Bob smacked 216 I think Boeing could also take advantage for this by creating a new aircraft, but another A380 would cost millions.
Exactly. That was just typical Timmy shooting off his mouth.
Wait and see. New customers can change the deal.
There is a reason the A380 has ceased production, the market is not there. Airbus focus is on SA variants.
Well, Coby, Emirates was the launch customer for 777X and because of the delays in delivery their relationship soured a bit. Boeing really needs to show that they can come up with what they promise "on time" this time.
Boeing has severe management and labor issues.
@@abeninan4017considering they have more sales deliveries than Airbus they are fixing the issues😂
A380 is like the Rolls Royce of the sky
The A380 was a vanity project, a monstrosity and a white elephant. Airports had to be redesigned to take it. It slowed down airport operations due to wake turbulence and if you've ever arrived just after one, you'll know the nightmare they are at airports. I'm glad they are not being made anymore
I believe the A380 was designed to be longer than the version in production. A stretched A380 with the RR ultra fan engines and more composite structures would be a winner! However Im looking forward to seeing the flying wing Airbus, if I live that long.
That was the goal, and a stretched A380 would've had better operating economics. But airlines struggled to fill the smaller A380-800, so there was no change Airbus would be able to stretch it and fill it
I worked at Heatgrow on upgrading taxiways for A380s. All weight considerations were for an aircraft 20% heavier that the current aircraft so the expection was always that there would be a bigger A380. I thought that one of the issues relation to the A380 was the limited number of airports that it could fly to. There would need to be massive investment programmes, not just adding 2 tier air bridges. That severely limited routes that the A380 could be used on.
Limited airports it can serve, twins like the 777x and 350 stretch are the way to go , 2 less engines to maintain, great range and more airport access
While I have to say that the a380 was by far the most comfortable long haul aircraft I’ve ever flown in, the A350 is a close second and very comfortable as well. I do not like the 787 though. Airbus just seems to be wiping the floor with Boeing recently when it comes to passenger satisfaction
Never saw an aircraft that begged for a stretch more than the A380. Fantastic beast. Wonderfully clever cockpit positioning too, my first time up front I was amazed to see just how similar to the A320's it was in every way, it really doesn't feel like the monster it is. Flying the 747 is like trying to land a flying skyscraper from the 10th Floor in comparison.
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A jumbo renaissance? Nope. Its about efficiency now. 2 engines is much more efficient. I fly for a carrier that operates the 747 and 777 and the triple is just a much more efficient bird.
Go with the 747 update. The plane is reliable and can be economical with todays engines and technology.
As a long term Emirates customer, the A380 is my all time favourite passenger jet. Especially in business class. No other jet has the bar at the back or showers in 1st class. It really is in a class of it's own. I hope they continue with the A380 for as long as possible. A twin deck jumbo successor would be my favoured replacement.
Now how big does an aircraft have to be to only need 2 engines?
Could there be a A380 twin jet hybrid?
I like your idea. The A380 was designed for an extension. Airbus could create an A390 with new hybrid engines.
At first only two hydrogen engines and with maturing technology switch to 100% hydrogen.
@@Luke_Go interesting. I mean I understand engineering to a decent level but I'd like to know the parameters for twin engine flight. Height Vs length. Look at the Airbus Beluga, twin engine but huge volume, be interesting to see some feasible designs
@@LukeGilhamHere As hydrogen engines are still hypothetical, I cannot answer this. If you know details, I'm sure Airbus would be very, VERY interested in your engineering skills!
On a basic level, I would guestimate that the inner two engines will be upgraded Rolls-Royce Trent 900 turbofans and the outer engines would run on hydrogen.
Airbus could also produce an A380 with 6 engines (2 of them at the place where they currently test the hydrogen engine / this won't be a long-term solution)
@@Luke_Go very interesting! Thanks for the breakdown! Hydrogen will be interesting to see her implemented
No, B747-400 is the only one that could be fitted with 2 engines since the combined thrust required to power B747-400 is close to B777-300ER.