Why are we Getting Rid of a Highway in Vancouver?
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2018
- Why are we about to get rid of the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts in Vancouver? It's a complicated and sortof controversial story, but I've tried to boil it down into about... 5 minutes... for you :)
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This sounds a lot like the situation in Copenhagen. In the 1970's they wanted to "modernize" the infrastructure and planned a whole network of highway viaducts going through the city. They managed to build exactly one of those streching about 1 km, but the whole project was dropped after a lot of protests when they wanted the highways to go through richer neighbourshoods.
Instead Copenhagen shifted strategy to build bike lanes instead of more car lanes and in more recent times, an underground metro system.
The one viaduct that was built then still stands today, but they are working on tearing it down, building a tunnel instead and develop the land above. The price tag is about $3 billion.
Sussy
and now it sucks to get around.
@@markbrinton6815it really doesnt, but "mark brinton" isnt exactly a danish name so how would you know?
Remember "London's unfinished motorways" by Jay Foreman?
The history of highway planning back then are apparently similar throughout the world.
TheAmir259 but Londons outcome was way better than this bought out mess
In Boston you can see interchanges where highways were almost built, but cancelled due to community protests.
I'm glad they never tried to build any highways on the middle of my city. A2 runs around it, not through it.
Dang, five or six years later we’re still waiting for the viaduct to be torn down-with seemingly no agenda or schedule ahead. I don’t know if the city, in the wake of the pandemic, has resulted in not having the money to tackle this now, or if the new St. Paul’s hospital project has strategically preempted the Viaducts removal to be undertaken.
It is interesting thaw shuffle game that is happening with the “new” proposed park, and the Carral Street border of it. The False Creek Residents Association has been outspoken about this.
They'll just let the earthquake tear it down.
Keep making more videos on urbanism in Vancouver, this is wonderful stuff.
Thanks so much James! Hoping to put another video out there next week :D
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@C. E. Torchia yes it hides in dark alleys and only comes out at nighttime
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I'm currently studying Urban Studies in the UK and I obviously enjoy the course and the area of study, but watching this video just granted me the first moment where I have literally gotten goosebumps over how exciting it all is. The editing and information in this video is unbelievable. I don't suppose for future videos you could leave references in the end credits or description? I think this video has just swayed me into writing my essay on exemplary public health on Vancouver lol.
The removal of the Embarcadero Freeway in San Francisco is one of the most ambitious of the Freeway Removal projects. You can see the old highway in many old TV shows from the 1970s, like "The Streets of San Francisco." It seems like the primary use of the highway was to provide a location for gun battles below the main road.
Simply the reason. The city and the planners were bought out by the developers. I was working for the city planning when it happened. Believe me.
...also he fails to note that the viaducts were not built in the 70's for the first time ever...they were built to replace a previous Georgia Viaduct built closer to the twenties....I remember driving over th eold viaducts....
how where they bought out? they were paid with money under the table to do as they say?
Rumour has it that the Aqualinis own all the property underneath the viaducts.
lovitz69 Nope, City of Vancouver (East Half) and Concord (West Half). This is confirmed.
it's free real estate....for the developers
Our leaders continue to describe old neighbourhoods as supposedly blighted and in need of renewal. Except now we replace them with highrises instead of freeways. Note that we are not rebuilding Hogans Alley, but simply replacing it with highrises for rich yuppies.
More like highrises to be flipped by foreign speculators.
As residents we need to push city council and developers to include substantial affordable housing in the new buildings. It's doable.
@@J.5.M. Another way of saying it is, "we need to pressure people to give us something for nothing". It's doable.
@@rh6625 Yup. Stay out of Vancouver then if you don't like that concept.
@@J.5.M. supply and demand wouldn't allow that ppl r willing to pay higher prices
i was just about to mention our similar situation here in Halifax!
it’ll be a really good spot for a transit hub because there is a major bus stop that’s very busy right by it, but it’s on a busy road so it slows down traffic a lot and gives little room for all the cars and buses going through.
Originally, they were also planning to build a waterfront highway in Halifax, but it was cancelled because the people didn’t want the historic properties to be destroyed.
I agree with this proposal but Vancouver needs to do more and get their infrastructure together. The roads here are a freaking mess and it seems nothing is being does to address the issue.
Well if a majority of people in the lower mainland actually voted in the municipal elections they might have someone who listened
Thank you sooooooooo much for making videos about Vancouver. I’ve been living in this city since 2007, I love Vancouver and since couple years ago, I began to interested in the history of Vancouver. Your videos are so helpful. Hoping forwards to see your new video!
As someone who lives in the Seattle area it is quite a shame that we ever let freeways go right through the city separating neighborhoods. These freeways are bad for property value, create unsafe spaces, and make it more difficult to plan pedestrian friendly areas. Hopefully in the distant future we can possibly put a lid on i5 and reconnect our grid
I disagree I lived in city’s that didn’t have freeways and hated every minute
and when ever I’m in a city that has freeways in the middle I love them
do like the idea of moving freeways underground
did your city had transit? @@dogcat823
Watched the video mentioned in high school. Glad to see that it’s being brought to light! ❤️
Wow. I visited that river in seoul, had no clue that used to be a highway. Btw, great videos! I absolutely love it. I find architecture and infrastructure so interesting and sometimes, they make it physically beautiful too. Keep it up! If you want to really to see peak advancement of infrastructure, just look at Seoul's subways.
I love your videos man. The writing, narration, editing and use of music is tip top. Great work.
welcome to Vancouver, where your 20 km commute will take you 1 hour
Not if you get an e-bike. They go 30+ km/hr.
get a bike
Not lane splitting it don’t. Braap braap bois
As bad as some think our traffic is, our traffic is nothing compared to dozens of others. If one does not like the drive, take public transit or move downtown, or work somewhere else. we all have the same choices.
That's really not that bad lol.
Good to know this history of Vancouver. It just recalled me those railways in EastVan that divide the whole area in pieces and make traffic very hard among those communities.
Great Video. Lived here half my life, and didn’t know the background. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for explaining this project. Love your videos, very informative and well researched.
1 year later, its still here
@T Wilson nothing. they've already sold their soul to Asian investors
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"Asian investors"
*communist invaders
@T Wilson
Honestly if the municipal govts in the LM were dissolved for a spell and management put in the hands of a provincial govt ministry to sort out the jumbled mess of problems would anyone even notice? Most people dont even care to vote in the municipal elections in the LM anyway
Great video! Montreal did this by demolishing part of the Bonaventure Expressway into downtown, extending a main boulevard at ground level and turning the land the elevated expressway once occupied into a public space as the “entré de ville”. There’s also big plans for a large park to be made where a section of Autoroute 20 once was. The 60s was the era of highways, while today we’re in the era of reimagining areas once occupied by highways.
i love the music you use in these videos everytime, not really on-topic but wanted to show my appreciation :)
I'm not from Vancouver (never been), but I still find your videos educational and interesting.
This is high quality! Can't wait to see this channel in a month at 250k
Chengdu double decked their inner ring roads over the last 12 years, with integrated bus lanes in the middle. I think the speeds are only 60 kph. I loved riding my bicycle under/ beside them for 13 weeks in 2015. So few bikes now, so the lanes are a pleasure to ride, though I also lament the passing of the way it was in 2006. They are not ugly or noisy at all. A lot of it has artsy touches and now vines are on some of it. There are also crazy complicated flyover intersections of course.
Really fantastic video! Loved the quality, and well laid-out information.
I keep on coming back to this video. Great stuff man!
Really liking your videos man. Great music choice. Excellent graphics for a small channel. Love it
This was such an amazing video! Thank you for pointing out Hogan’s alley!
Great video..thanks for making this! Interesting to see what Vancouver will look like in the next 5-10 years
Thanks for the informative video. As one that is new to the GVRD, I appreciate the history lesson.
Love this. Very well made. I'm subscribed. Keep it up!
I like the video, very easy to listen to. Good music and you have a very nice voice, smooth and well spoken.
Viewer from Hong Kong here. I think my opinion is in two parts: It's surely a positive act to release the waterfront and restore public space to the city. A swift from a car-oriented policy to a mass transit oriented one also do favour to commuters, traffic and long term urban planning. But I am wary of the idea of redeveloping the waterfront into private buildings or shopping complexes. These examples are all too familiar to Hong Kong citizens.
City Beautiful brought me here. Great quality man keep it up
Subscribed, Im a native vancouverite, been living downtown for about 20 years now since growing up in the suburbs (ridge, poco and the like) I was first upset about the proposal to demolish the viaduct when it was first brought up, and recently hearing about it on the radio again, and watching your video, it does still concern me with how it will affect traffic, having traveled on the viaducts plenty of times, the first intersection (shall i say multiple intersections) caused traffic enough and delay. However I am more on board with it than I was before, and just hoping the project itself won't delay any access in and out of the city. And after talking to deadpool, he says he's sad about it, he wanted to kill more bad guys on the viaduct.
The one cool thing about the Georgia Viaducts is how the SkyTrain swoops underneath
This video is so well done, great work!
Wow just discovered this, like a little news info channel right in Vancouver! :)
Dude your vids are just what im looking for
Love this, your channel is really cool--keep it up!
Thank you for this video! Eager to learn more about urbanism in my city
Loved this video, well done! My first video of yours that I watched and I am subscribing.
Love the editing on your videos!
As usual, five years later and nothing done. Welcome to Vancouver.
Hey these are great videos! Thanks for the research! Hope you can do more.
Wow - you packed a LOT of data in one 5 and 1/2 minute video. It felt much longer (and that's a good thing). Thanks for this.
Earthquakes lolol it's for property to build more unaffordable housing.
Right? Is this dude getting paid by the city for their propaganda? I mean I don’t care much for the viaducts but to suggest they’re tearing it down cause of earthquakes is a joke! In that case, why build more highrises? Let’s get rid of all the old bridges too 🤦♂️
bruh did I even watch the video
@@LDeol Many new buildings have requirements for a certain % of units to be affordable housing. If councillors and residents push developers we could fit a lot public housing in this spot. Which is better than an underutilized, partial highway with empty space underneath if you ask me. Plus a park!
That's better than a highway to nowhere.
@@Jacob-yg7lz it's the literal entrance to the downtown wtf are you on about
this channel is sick i can’t believe i’ve never seen it until now!!
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Great video.
Tokyo is moving forward with plans to take an elevated express way to underground.
The problem here in North America is, we still wanna sell cars like it's the 50's and 60's while adopting city planning practices from friggin' Amsterdam! This would be a great idea if the city planned alternate transport for people from outside Vancouver so they don't have to drive their vehicles to town, whether for work or pleasure. Our public transport infrastructure is just incomparable to that of European cities that we so insist on comparing ourselves to. Bottom line, if a major artery for transport is being torn down to make way for more development and $$ without providing alternative modes of transport, then it's creating more traffic congestion, emissions and stress. Take for instance the WestCoast Express train, it connects a select few communities to Vancouver and it's schedule hasn't been updated since the Flintstones. It runs 2 services in the morning to Van and 2 in the evening from Van. That would pretty much classify as a joke anywhere in Europe. Nice Clip!
The same was done in Madrid as in Boston, the M-30 motorway went underground, and parks and entertainment areas were created on the surface.
This is an amazing channel. I will definitely promote it!
I honestly think cities need to design cars to be as little car dependant as possible and connect areas by high speed electric rail, buses, subway, rail etc. Bike lanes too. Easy walking
Keep up the good work👌🏼
Well researched videos
It will cost more than $ 200 millon dollar to tear them down
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And ensure we own the worst traffic prize
Yea,don't you know trudope has to give that money to illegal immigrants?
Do developers in Vancouver donate funds to the city government to well get guranteed planning permits? Because wealthy developers can cover that cost of $200 million.
@@mickanvonfootscraymarket5520 technically yes. The city will FORCE the developer as a part of their building permit to fund the necessary works needed for off-site (public) construction. This includes roads, underground utilities like water and sanitation as well as electrical and communications like streetlighting and traffic signals and city comm networks. So essentially, the developers are donating to the city. Just not directly. If I am not mistake the city is covering some of the project too. But it's been mostly paid for by the developers. Which is also why those condos will only ever be used to launder dirty money from overseas because nobody who has lived here their whole life will ever reasonably be able to afford it. My advice, as shitty as it is take the train into downtown still.
@@TheGhjgjgjgjgjg really? Tell me how the chineses jumped the wall to Vancouver.
I love your videos! These are great!
You have to acknowledge that developers are in on this. Lobbying city hall for more towers, more people, and making it harder to get around.
cool video, you should do one about the MASSIVE overhaul going on in Montreal ATM. The 720 highway, the Turcot interchange, the new Champlain bridge, the REM transit system are the biggest projects, but there's loads of others too.
I am here from City Beautiful.
Vancouver, a more expensive and boring Asia. What a place!
@@ktowniecity7269 I like Vancouver now. It is a lot nicer
They were already destroyed in Deadpool 2 lol
I used to go there on Sundays. Stanley Park was my hangout.Urban renewal was black removal.
Love this type of content! it's like the Vancouver version of Vox videos!
your videos are very well made!!!! almost like vox??? good quality, you deserve more subs!!!
I live in Surrey and we have many of our own traffic issues here but great videos on vancouver maybe you could do some on surrey as well :)
Keep it up, i like these kind of channels
Thanks to CityBeautiful for the promo. Otherwise I’d never have found your excellent and interesting channel. Keep it up!
I’m not even from Canada but i know what everything here is because of Arrow and The Flash
Deadpool?
Great research! Thank you
Relocating > redesigning the highway strikes me that the motive isn't to make Vancouver more people-friendly. No, instead I suspect it's simply to justify residential redevelopment (special interests, perhaps?). After all, like he said, they never looked great.
Tearing down the highways and building more residential is a noble goal in and of itself. Highways are, in general, a terrible thing for a city's livability. HOWEVER, if the city council doesn't also decide to improve public transit and bicycle facilities alongside, it'll probably end up terrible.
Higher downtown density provides more opportunity for a living city where people want to be, but it does, of course, need to be planned out properly.
There is, however, also an effect called Induced Demand, which causes traffic to become worse when highways are opened. Closing down a highway may just improve traffic, even without building a replacement highway. But of course, people still need to get from A to B, so again, infratstructure for public transit and bicycles will need to be improved alongside the removal of the highway.
Its all about the real estate tycoons.
Id like to see the real estate profession killed brutally in BC. Im not a socialist but if we must put real estate into governments hands so be it. These greedy real estate developers have been a thorn in the ass of the good people of BC for too long
@@user-xg8yy7yl1d Isn't it the case that much of Canadian real estate is owned my foreigners - namely the Chinese?
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I don’t know (or care) about Canada but it’s the case in BC or specifically Vancouver at least for now
awesome knowledgeable videos! do not stop! :)
Just discovered your channel, I like your style subscribed
Sounds like Seattle's Alaskan Way Viaduct. They're tearing down the waterfront double decker freeway and building a new tunnel.
~ Which holds half the traffic. What was the freeway, three, four lanes each way and now the tunnel only has two lanes. 🙄
Sigman Floyd it was three each way and actually needed more capacity than it does now because it served the downtown community. Now the 99 tunnel just bypassed downtown all together. The 99 was rendered obsolete when the I-5 was built anyway.
@@calvinrovinescu6166 ~ Thanks
Dude you got my sub cause you hands down deserve. Love supporting home grown talent, I'm waiting for more videos!
awesome video! there not enough videos about Vancouver.
Very cool...driven those ducts many a times playing gigs as a rock n roll band... Tear the dangerous things down! Lets see some progress!
I wish you would have talked more of what a parasite highways are to the city considering how much of a tax sink they are while also creating insane traffic jams on streets they connect to and like you said robbing important strategical land in prime city location from being used as something productive like businesses,offices,parks or homes. I highly recommend Strong Town which is an American advocacy which has fought against poor traffic engineering and city planning practices in US which has caused many of them to go bankrupt.
Also some numbers regarding the construction of highway vs these redevelopment plans would be great. For example for context the plans to repair the Gardiner Expressway in Toronto that runs next to our coast is projected to be 2 billion dollars. Compared to that the prices for these highway demolitions (excluding the big dig example which was a shit show) is nothing.
Came across your page from the beautiful city page. Great job! Interesting.
Please keep making videos, fantastic channel. Are you studying urban planning in school or something like that?
Boston had plans for addition highways throughout the city in the 1960’s, but local residents managed to get them stopped. Now, the city has awesome traffic problems with stop and go traffic during rush hour. There are no real plans to address the problem. Also the big dig in Boston was very expensive. It was necessary since the old highway was not up to modern safety and design standards. But the city could have leased the land above the highway to help recoup costs instead of making it into parks. That was done in nyc when the rail roads buried their lines underground. Those air right leases are still in place today.
Why everything in this video so well put together :O
I hope it's the one I always got lost on when I was driving truck.
A similar plan was proposed for Edmonton in 1969. Six freeways cutting into the city (NE, E, SE, SW, W, NW) meeting at a loop around downtown. Freeways as wide as a block is long, running in the valley along the river, through neighbourhoods like Rossdale, Cloverdale, Grandin, Oliver, Chinatown, Boyle Street ... and on and on. The first part of the first stage was actually built: the MacDonald Bridge, Low Level Bridge, Connors Road, Scona Road interchange. Thankfully Edmonton was late to the game of freeway-ifying cities so by the time that interchange was done experiences elsewhere were already making it clear that freeways through the heart of the city were a bad idea.
A search for "Metropolitan Edmonton Transportation Study" should turn up some of the plans.
Thats great to hear. Edmonton dodged a massive disaster
Awesome video! Curio as to what the song at the very end was?
Subscribed. Fantastic video.
Another one was the Seattle viaduct as much as i remember it well it ended up adding a bunch of new ped and bike space
The highway itself (highway 1A and 99A) is not being gotten rid of it is just being returned to its original routing. When the viaducts are gone just go up main to Hastings and make a left turn which was what the highway did for years before it was put on the viaducts to give them something to do.
Similar story as to the Alaskan way viaduct in Seattle (remember that?). Earthquakes meant the end of that too. Now we have a nice tunnel.
Subscribed. Looking forward to more videos. Maybe some on making more urban spaces for people? Plazas, robson square, pedestrian only type stuff. Nice work!
Thanks! More coming soon for sure :D
Are there any recent updates on this subject? Would be great to hear the rest of the story at some point.
Why? Because of real estate interests. A link between the downtown escarpment and false creek existed long before there were freeways in Vancouver. In fact, two of them...
The viaducts are also nearing the end of their design life, and to keep functional would require expensive upgrade projects.
So looking at the most recent comments, it seems that nothing has actually been done nor no word of it
Seattle just took theirs down and the waterfront south of Yesler looks gorgeous at sunset now with it's brick buildings exposed.
Great video! Earned a sub
maybe if cities didn't half ass transit people would use it. either go all in on transit and make it not worth it to have a car or leave the cars alone. they just opened an lrt here and it crosses every major street in my city. you'll have literally 50-100 cars waiting at rush hour for 20 train passengers to go by. real environment saver.
Memet Rush transit and cycling are huge in downtown van
Memet Rush you cannot see all the pax that go on the Canada line as it is below ground, so how do you get those numbers. Plus thousands are travelling by bus and sky train.
@@chriswilliams6568 im talking about kitchener
Where I live, in Kansas City, Missouri, they built all the highways they could, and continue to expand them without any opportunity for opposition. The traffic on all roads is now much greater and worse than it has ever been. It's obvious that people live on one side of town and work on the other.
I dont live in vancouver. Hell I live in Philly, freeways are everywhere. I just love this channel
Same thing is happening with the Gardener in Toronto and Bonavanture in Montreal
I learned a lot in this video