Having gone through many of these similar upgrades on my GR, I found myself questioning whether many were worth it. The stock headshell is superb and one of the lightest available, great for those mid to higher compliance carts. The KAB damper gave me mixed results. I only found it beneficial for carts whose compliance was too high for my arm, mostly vintage ones. For everything else the damper softened the sound too much, especially with my Hana SL and ML. You can spend thousands on upgrades and perhaps you will hear a tiny difference or perhaps, like me, you will have to try and convince yourself it was worth it. In the end, I returned my GR to mostly stock and sold most of the aftermarkets. The only ones I kept were a Herbies mat, damper for my high comp carts, and higher quality interconnects. I would definitely recommend spending money on a better cartridge or better phono stage before going down the rabbit hole of aftermarkets and diminishing returns.
I agree entirely. My experience with similar upgrades (on the 1200G) is that in some cases there were extremely subtle and barley audible changes -- and in most cases not better, not worse. This applies to the KAB tonearm damper and an external power supply (a tried and tested linear low-noise design that I diy'd myself). I've had a little more success with diy interconnects and tonearm wire. Biggest changes have been though trying cartridges and phono preamps, and getting a record cleaner (washer/vacuum type). I would say, however, that the biggest change in my enjoyment of the turntable has been in buying more vinyl! For the price of the KAB damper and an off-the-shelf external PSU, you can get nearly 40 high quality new vinyl records.
I installed the KAB fluid damper mod and was completely blown away by a much much improved stereo image, it was a huge upgrade!! As was the Achromat And the stupidly expensive pure magnesium Jelco headshell.
Thank you for mentioning our EPS in your video. We would like to point some things out: our EPS is the worldwide only linear PSU with internal current regulation pcb, made by us to exact design as original SMPS pcb mounted on the GAE/G/Gr. All the direct drive decks suffer if current regulation board is located far from the motor, as they need instant power by request, something you cannot achieve with a normal (and cheaper) external circuit. Original SMPS (switching) power supply is clearly audible if you use an external pre-phono (a lot worse if you use a hi-gain step up for MC carts), so we think that the first step in upgrading a near perfect gear as the GAE/G is to eradicate the noise, then you can go to improve the other parts. BTW original tonearm is a piece of art and absolutely stunning in performance, opposite to the cheap RCA cables supplied with the deck. Best, Precision Sound Lab
The only upgrade I've made to my GR is the addition of the Little Fwend tonearm lifter. Lovely little thing. No longer have to rush over at the end of every album.
@@sids2012 yeah, I believe that's the 1200 version. I love it. A bit fiddly to set up but it's so smooth and gentle. Just a gentle press down to reset it after each side is all you need to do once you get it dialed in. A bit pricey but it's extremely well made (all machined parts) and reliable. Vinyl Attack has a video on it, go check it out.
Just installed their “Disco” for Technics version and yea it works great! Recently bought a GR but was tempted by the 1500c mainly due to auto-return feature. Now I’m appreciating the better turntable and no worries more relaxing approach to listening with this brilliant addition. I really had to search hard to find an online retailer who still had this specific Disco model in stock. Seems it’s increasingly difficult to find. Shame as it’s the single biggest simple upgrade so far 👍
KAB Electro Acoustics is a nice place to get Technics parts. I have had good service from them. Buying Technics parts directly from Panasonic Encompass parts on line has worked well for me. I like my Funk Firm mat on my sl1200mK5 Great video!
No Idea why it took me so long to find your channel, but excellent job! I've been drooling over the 1200G for a while now. It's rare to see that level of engineering go into a modern table of that price.
Hi there! Thanks! I've seen also some of your videos and they were excellent, in particular I remember the one on high fidelity classical music labels. Great info!
You can only really do it if you've got a parent company like Panasonic behind you. I think I read that the 1200G and the 1000G are prestige, low volume products that they don't really make much money on but they enhance the brand.
Great video, as always! Even though I have an SL1210 mk2, I found this very interesting. I'm also thinking about changing the RCA cables, and eventually the power cord, although first I need to get a soldering iron (and learn how to use it). I'll be watching your video on homemade high quality cables. But I do have a question, does the height of the feet affect the level of isolation? Is it "better" to have to feet, let's say all the way up, or all the way down in order to reduce the impact of vibration? Regards from Spain!
KAB has a host of upgrades you can do yourself if so inclined. The most labor intensive one is the tonearm cable upgrade, but KAB and others on RUclips walk you through it. Definitely a labor of love.
Hi! Great to see you also still think this is one awesome Japanese masterful engineered machine :) My only mod I've done, is the interconnect cable. I'm even back to the original rubber mat. For most of my none audiophile records I prefer it. But the Teac Washi looks like some I should definitely try. Thanks for sharing the tip. Cheers. /Paul
Absolutely! Please let us know your feedback if you try! Hey everyone, check out Paul's channel he finds amazing vinyl records that you wouldn't even imagine they exist! Amazing recommendations! 👌
Hi Paul! Good to see you again! 😃 I also still use the Technics stock mat after trying various types of mats. I’m still considering the old 6mm Technics mat (twice as thick as the stock mat). The rubber provides excellent damping; it’s the same as the damping rubber at the back of the platter. Mostly because the additional 3mm are useful for some extra VTA headroom with low profile cartridges and high headshells like those from Ortofon.
What great timing for this video to be posted. I just upgraded my headshell to the Orsonic AV-101s as recommended on a previous video. But I broke a rule and changed the headshell, leads, and cartridge at the same time! Definite improvement, but what gave the most improvement I won’t know. I still found I had some albums that didn’t sound as good as I know they should be low bass edgy highs. I played with VTA and could get one album to sound better but then the next would require tweaking. I also thought about tone arm vibrations and tried to think of low cost quick solution. I came up with putting 10 small dental rubber bands on the arm in a staggered distance; spaced far apart towards the base and bunched closer as you get to the headshell. The thought here is to break up the nodes of the vibration. Did not make any calculations for this just visually spaced. This is a-bit ugly, But, resulting sound is more important then good looks, to me!This made a significant difference in the sound it brought down the edgy highs and gave me the bass I was expecting. It may have dulled the vocals (still testing it out). Between this test and your video I’m a believer in needing to address vibrations in the turntable and the arm !! Question, before this I was thinking about the isoacoustics for my speaker. I would need the 2 sets of the Gaia II. Vs purchasing an island for the turntable. What would you recommend doing first, speakers or turntable?
I recently picked up a Technics GR head shell with the tiny screw to adjust azimuth, and I’m underwhelmed; too easy to strip, and hard to loosen it up enough to where you can adjust it on the arm without it being floppy, and then trying to tighten it once you have it right changes the setting.
very good video again. thx. from todays point, would you still spend 4k on this model, or perhaps buy a different turntable? do you have no platter wobble at all?
Because I am curious I will always answer: a different one. But that does not withdraw my enthusiasm and appreciation of this model. Fortunately, no, no wobble.
Brilliant video! I tried an oelback power supply and i have to say it is amazing i could even go as far as saying it is the most important thing along with the cartridge and Wood math. Technics SL 1200 mk 4 is My favourite Model along with the gr g and 1000 ofc its the best.
ANA[DIA]LOG thx for replying so soon! I admire your knowledge on TT-maths and resonance. I will look into the 30 dollar version For My new at2lpx since it has a felt math
What power cable would you recommend? I have the GR and I don't have a large budget to spend on the cable. Would rather save up to get the 1200G. Thanks for you advice. Terry
Nothing fancy, really! Just a well shielded powercord. This 20$ ine seems perfect: qrco.de/bbWtAZ Better invest mainly on the interconnects! Or, I forgot to mention in the video, the cartrdige leads.
Hi, very interesting video. I have the Technics sl1200GR. Which model of feet do you prefer the gaia iii or the funk firm? the wooden plinth with these feet is necessary? Thank you very much and sorry for my bad english. Regards. Pd: what do you think about the Isonoe isolation feet? Thanks again!
The best upgrade I performed on my SL-1200 MK2 was replacing the stock tonearm for a Jelco TK-850S. Night & day difference. Unfortunately Jelco as a company closed and stopped manufacturing due to the pandemic.
What changed to the better? Less vibrations picked up by the cart/arm? And, are you still able to adjust VTA on the fly with the regular VTA ring with the Jelco? It's slightly heavier than the stock Technics arm so I guess it rules out some very high compliance carts. But then again, if you swap tonearms one tables you're most likely to use an expensive MC cartridge and those are generally low to medium compliance.
Pretty proud w/my 850.00 1981 DUAL 1264. After purchasing 'platter matter..wow & flutter went non-existent. Still works/sounds great w/the ULM Tome Arm.
great video!..nice list of upgrades to consider. About 10 years ago I bought a near-mint (basically "unused") Technics SL2-J6 Direct Drive turntable and it's been fantastic. I've been using the Grado black (eliptical) cartridge. I know there are many better (obviously) but I prefer the "classic" vinyl sound as much as possible. However, I'm thinking a Shibata tip moving coil might be my next upgrade. BTW Thanks for the suggestion on that! I don't get much inner groove distortion (unless it's a heavy metal album I'm playing) but maybe the shibata tip will track better on the "squeezed" grooves. I believe the arm is low mass so one thing I like about the Grado is that it's medium mass suits the lightweight arm well. I guess I could even go high mass next time and that would be okay. Right now I'm at 9g total weight (arm + cartridge). One question I have...the (original) Technics manual that came with the player says the "Resonance Frequency" of the player is 12hz. I believe the ideal frequency is closer to 9-12hz, so I'm already on the higher end of the (suggested) range. What type of upgrades should I be cautious of that would not push the 12hz upward? Thanks again my friend, very nice video.
Thank you man! Well, it's always the trick of matching the cart compliance and the arm mass. If they arm is to stay, you must look for the best compliance when searching for a new cart. Here are some details if you haven't seen it: ruclips.net/video/T428mIuw9IQ/видео.html
Thank you for the review of possible upgrades. I like the Funk Firm package they put for Technics SL1200 series (absorbing feet, absorbing rug, houdini cartridge add on). But the weakness of the turntable seems to be the tonearm. The tonearm you recommend for upgrade no longer exists. In fact, it is a struggle to find a tonearm of good quality with a removable headshell. Why is that? There would be a niche market there with significant profits. Technics SL 1200 is by far the most sold turntable. Would you have any tonearm suggestions for 2022-2023?
I confess I agree with you less than a 3rd of the time but still your channel is so valuable to learn about new things, regarding mats I wanted to bury my head in the sand for buying and Achromat (around £70) to my humble belt driven set up. I actually bought it because I hated the appearance of cork so not believing at all in all the so call benefits and ok, it was not miracle but static wen down and music bass gain a lot of control, it lifted my set up. That is a funkfirm product and they make a version for the Sl1200, did you try that one? Btw thanks for the Washi tip. I do not need it now but I get the reason why it should work.
I have a KAB rewired tonearm, using cardas litz cable inside the arm. I feel like this is one of the few places where a cable can make a difference. According to Kevin at KAB, one of the biggest weaknesses of the stock arm, was just the cabling.
Hi, I love sound from vinyl but I haven't and use CD. I'm very impressed with the sound of Japanese CDs UHQCD (Ultimate High Quality CD) + MQA because their sound is very similar to the sound of a vinyl record, very good vinyl record. Greetings from Poland!
Hello from Germany and thank you for your efforts. I got the SL 1210 G in black for my second hand records and for my daughter and her lps as an entry to good analog playback. The washi mat is really good and looks very nice. Pick up is a Ortofon Concorde Club 2 and what can I say - this setup is really good - even in comparison to a legend like the the Sony PSX 9 with original cartridge.
@@danender5555 😂 Yes Sir, I am a real snob 😉 In fact I bought it second hand, being a steal for the money. I need it also for archive purposes and swapping a cartridge is done in minutes. I got about 6500 records, so there is some work to do. Happy listening🙂
@@stefanhooss2822 Well, to taint a $4000 turntable with $200 cartridge is not very snobbish... But for second hand records the consumable cartridge may play well, especially when your daughter use it too... However, you forgot to mention, what is your primary turntable for your mint shaped records? Let me guess... Continuum Caliburn
@@danender5555 🙃Certainly not a Caliburn - for this amount of money I would rather buy a good italian violin or one or two good french violin bows😉The cleaned or mint records are played on a TW Acustic Raven GT with original TW Acustic Raven 10.5 arm and a Dynavector XX MK 2 cartridge. I am not rich - I was a teacher and am now retired - but I like high fidelity and music. Having no expensive car, don't smoking and drinking and not divorced - I could save some money ...😊
I have a SL-1200 MK III, with a SME series III tonearm, this also includes the fluid damper, and wires replacement. It uses Isonoe black isolation feet,. Replaced all the lights with LED’s. Added hinges for the dust cover and last one uses a better cartridge a moving coil one from Hana the SL Series. Everything, but the cartridge was sourced from eBay. Total cost including turntable and cartridge was $2,350 USD Next step will be an external power supply, but maybe I will go with a good power cable. Fluid damper came optional first in the SME Series iii, then it was standard. This SL-1200 sounds really good, as good as my Series 20 (Pioneer) with a SME Series III and a Dynavector 20X2, I purchased this turntable back in 1980, but the cartridge I purchased it last year substituting a Dynavector 17D.
externalising the power supply is more valuable than a power cable. Personally I wouldn't want to have a separate power supply as it would make playing out a pain in the ass as a DJ. But I do want to at least get the strobe disablers and DC regulators from Kabusa.
Good video as usual. Bought a new SL1200 and quite soon it developed a play in the arm bearings and was kind of unstable in the high adjustment of the arm. So, a greate improvement was to adjust the rattling tonarm bearings and fix the tone arm base, not adjustable any more. after some fiddling with that Sl1200 i later bought a SL1000 with SME arm for 150$ (1993)
I am considering to buy the TEAC mat, but my main concern is the thinness. Can I use it directly over the platter and being able to adjust the VTA or should I use it over another mat (cork, felt, rubber,...)?
It isn't as thick as the rubber mat by Technics but surely much more than the Stein. It should be used alone but with something stiff below, like an achromat or something similar IMO it's ok.
Hi thanks for another great video, I have an 1210GAE, with the Nagaoka JT-1210 cartridge, and I love it! This cartridge that was specifically tuned by a joint team of engineers from Technics and Nagaoka. Have you had the oportunity to listen to it, what do you think about it?
Thanks for the tips, especially the tone arm assist block for buffering the tone arm, what a great idea and I'd never heard of that material for a turntable mat, will try the Washi mat for sure. Currently I use a cork mat on my old Technics SL1700 turntable and it made a vast difference over felt(the biggest impact being you don't get fibers coming off onto your vinyl records.) I'm thinking of upgrading to the SL1200 GR model(the G model looks amazing but it's $7000 versus $2750 and is there really that much of a difference for that extra $4250?? Fellow Audiophiles, please let me know what it gives you thmat the standard already high quality model doesn't. It's already a step above the SL1210 MK 7(which is more of a DJ specific model and features options which to be honest just looked like they would add more noise than anything else for the audiophile) and 2 steps above the entry level SL1500C model, so I'm leaning towards it. It represents great value without going into the too much money or dare I say it 'rich and shameless' category but hey if it gets the sound improvements that give you joy, then it's worth it right? I'd also argue that unless your going to get a very expensive phono pre-amp, is the SL1200 G really going to be worth it? Please do enlighten me fellow fans, as there has to be some amazing benefits to be had for that extra money. (You can almost purchase three SL1200GR turntables for the cost of the G model.)
Hallo Guido and everybody, i have a question about the Thecnics SL-1200 GAE. As you know there is also the black limited edition for 55 anniversary (GAENA). Do you think is only a marketing strategy or the black one will have more value in the future? I think that the Real iconic is the silver one, and you? I would like to know your opinion as a technics owner and fan. Thank you very much.
I'm surprised Technics doesn't make a newer suspended platter/ tone arm design like they had back in the 70s and early 80s. I have a Technics SL1800 mk2 that was based on the 1200 but had a full dampened suspension. You can jump up and down, or knock on the plinth and will never hear any thumps. Its a great design.
1200MKII - for "beginner audiophile" - been using several since 1990 - not a beginner, work in professional field , nothing comes close. Use slightly modded models for professional archival service, Vinyl to digital remasters, and my stripped down ones for turntablism and DJ service/ studio work . It's the most versatile and durable turntable out there. Fremer's fancy $25,000 Turntable.. it's pretty and functional but the buyer is paying for the R&D that's why it's so expensive and there are no improvements, especially if you isolate/tweak your 1200 properly. That's another topic as well as proper use of Cartridge / Stylus combos and the basic overhaul of copper cable inside and in headshell / output. Thanks for the video about upgrading the modern 1200 series.
Interesting video, as most of yours usually are. I have a GR and the only thing I really changed, aside from the el-cheapo RCA's, is the mat and the headshell. But I do use the stock headshell for one of my carts. Got the LP Gear Zupreme headshell, it's kinda heavy, but I like it I guess. I changed the mat to an old school 6mm Technics mat, it's heavier and I think it sounds better. The other stuff, I think is ridiculous. The power cable? hell no. The one Technics supplied is super thick and I get no noise. The power supply? No, they redesigned it from the old ones. That company selling them is trying too hard to justify it. The feet? I get almost ZERO feedback or vibration of any kind. The whole point of the 1200 line is that they are soooo resistant to external vibrations. I might change out the arm for fun, as it's really the only "weak link" in the package. I recently Got a Rega RB250 and all the upgrades for it that I was going to put on an older 1200, but now I might just put it on the GR.
Top tip. Clean the contacts in the head shell with switch cleaner. It's a simple thing but I am sure you will notice the difference. Your audio chain is only as good as the weekest link.
@@anadialog Sorry , for me is too hard to calculate, i know the 1200G tonearm mass is about 12gr (right?), the complience standard of the Koestu black is 13x10 and is mass is 12,1 , so i dont know ho to calculte the rigth mass of the heashell...
The tonearm without headhsell is 10g. Sum all the rest, weigh your headshell, screws and cart and then go back to my video and use the application to calculate the compliance/resonance linked in the video description. Done!
My advice to you Matteo Noli is I recommend the one it comes with, you can spend a lot of money on these so called upgrades but unfortunately your hearing is no where near sensitive enough to detect it, that's why all these so called experts have to run these things thru computer programs to detect any difference, buy the G model fit a decent cart and then just play your favourite tunes 😉.
IMHO if you buy a turntable (any turntable) then spend a fortune on upgrades or improvements, then you've bought the wrong turntable in the first place.
Thank you for this video. I just ordered a new SL1210-GR not the top of the line like yours but is still a very good TT. I am going to do some of the upgrades you mentioned like good RCA output cables, better power cord for sure as a start. However I need to consider cartridges and phono Pre-s do you you have a video on these? Or recommendations. I was considering either a Whest Two.2 or a Sutherland 20/20 per phono stage and a Hana ML cartridge. Thoughts?
The Hana ML is an extraordinary cartridge for the money. I've lost count of the number of MC carts I've used but I've had at least a dozen that cost more than the Hana but none that were better. I've also got their Umami Red which is better again but not by much. The ML is the standout value in the range. Funnily enough I've also had Whest and Sutherland phono stages, not those models though. Mate of mine has a Limetree which, if you ditch the wall wart PSU in favour of a linear one, is very good indeed - far better than you'd expect for £800.
@@anadialog Well I went with the Whest two.2 and a AT 740ML MM cartridge. There were mixed reviews on which is better and the consensus was both are great. I saved more cash on the Whest and being this was my first cart and pre gave it a shot. So far no regrets.
Little off topic but...If I was going to replace the GRs footers with gaia 3s...then put the table on a wood isolation platform(plinth)...what should go under the platform? Couple or decouple the platform to rack shelf(spikes/cones) or sorbathane)
A good isolation platform is a good idea. Decoupling is always better than damping in this case. Even though a true decoupling is very difficult to achieve with a simple platform, in most cases IMO it is more a combination of these.
I haven't tried it and I changed my turntable a few months ago but the groovemaster is a fine peace of gear and I am pretty sure you will be happy with it. The tonearm is the weak part of Technics IMHO...but absolutely decent.
Nice Video a few items are questionable upgrade from an already almost perfect turntable at $3900. However people like to tweak and improve anything if they can. Hence Automobiles as an example. I am considering this turntable or a VPI Prime. Not sure which would provide the best sound and utility. I am thinking the Technics being it is so well engineered for plug an play.
How are you getting your VTA set with such a thin mat? I have a Funkfirm mat on my 1200g and I’m all the way down and I’m still not perfectly parallel. Great video!
@@anadialog You replied! Thank you so much! I ordered the Washi mat after seeing this and got a nice ADC magnesium headshell a while back, too. Love this channel!
Generally good advice on the upgrades, some of which I have done ( mat, feet, isolation platform & headshell ) to my own recently bought Technics SL1200gr. However, 2 of the upgrades ( changing the tonearm & using an external power supply) I would only consider if I wanted to use an exotic, low compliance moving coil cartridge ( like a Koetsu or Kiseki )and would prefer to upgrade the turntable to the g version rather than use an external PSU due the fact the gr internal psu is a switch mode type, which produces no noise or vibration. Also cheaper direct drive ( from Hanpin ) are far better than you have indicated. I also use a Reloop rp7000 mk2 ( tweaked similarly to my gr ) which is nearly as capable as the sl1200. Lower end direct drive turntables, nowadays, can perform very well in domestic audio systems. After all they have been designed to operate, reliably, in the very hostile environment of dance clubs. Therefore, they're far more robust, vibration resistant and less fussy to maintain than most belt drives. They can be excellent value for money alternatives to the much lauded belt drive offerings from Pro-ject, Rega, etc.
Nothing new here; I had an original SL120 with an SME 3009 series ii detachable head shell complete with the original FD200 fluid damper and an ADC magnesium head shell. I used various cartridges; ADC XLM, Stanton 681EEE, Shure V15. Ortofon M20 FL. This was before moving coil cartridges became popular. This was over 40 years ago, what goes around comes around?
Will rounded housed power cables fit the technics? I saw you recommended one in another video, but wasn't sure if that would fit the turntable since they plug is at the bottom. or what would you recommend that's not too expensive. Need at least 3 meters or more..
That is the least important upgrade. Just get a well shielded quality cable, doesn't have to be hifi cable. I am not familiar with the cable you mentioned in the beginning...I am Italian!
i watched the video on the go and i might have overheard it but i couldn't find anything in the notes. what kind of headshell are you using? manufacturer, model, etc? regards!
@@anadialog oh heck! tx for the reply. i immediately did a search on that subject and it seems it is no longer being produced. all i could find were used sales. there's so many headshells out there i wonder what would be your bet if you hadn't one already? regards
Good video. I’m about to fit a Funk FX3 to mine, just waiting for an arm board. I borrowed a 1200G with FX3 first with an AT Art1000 on it, absolutely stunning. I also compared it to an SMEV and it easily beat it for way under half the price. The carbon fibre cross in the tube seems to me a game changer. I had the KAB 1000 on the standard arm and would recommend it. I also installed the Timestep power supply. The pic you showed is the old one, the new one has a switch in the front. I made recordings before and after, it does make a significant difference. I’m using a 5mm Achromat on mine. Big improvement over rubber. While I use the Gaia under my Martin Logan CLX Arts, I think they have too much damping for the turntable. Their platform or a Townshend Seismic Sink or more cheaply and just as effective, the Funk Boings. I have all three in different places in my systems! I made my own silver shielded litz interconnect, better than anything else I have tried from VDH QED or Neotech. I tried AT Art9 but its not a good match for the arm 6.5Hz resonant frequency, sounded very bright even with extreme VTA!
Actually, you are wrong on direct drive with the flywheel affect and servo of the 1100A on a test using Brüel & Kjær back in 1975 was vastly superior to the Linn LP-12 in every analog test as mine had a rumble of ..025 and weighted of -78 and unweighted of -59db. We did this at a Linn Dealer that though they would show the world it was wrong. The flywheel affect along with 3 dimensional balancing of the table itself proved in EVERY case from the SL 1350 to the SP10, they were all superior. Physics is left to those who understand it. By the end of the run of the SP-10mkIII it is actually better than the current reference system and had arm combinations that were beyond anything one can get today except perhaps Graham Engineering. The arm that was by far the best other than the SP-10 arms of later models (for god sake they had titanium nitride and boron arms with silver wiring and ruby bearings), were the SME 3009 II and III with no removable head shell and also was wired with silver wire. The tracking of the older cartridges of either MC or MM actually exceeds most every cartridge today. The older Ortofons were capable of tracking at 90-95 and frequency response that was not seen again for 20-30 years. The fools that took the platter off do not understand physics as the motor was absolutely dead on perfect and was used by cutter systems in every master since the early 70s and are still in demand.
Word. My $30 1988 Stanton 500s sounded just as good as these overpriced Ortofon Concorde things. Or maybe I was 20 years old and my hearing was better. Lol
@@jimovergaard1254 Excellent information! I have a 40 year old TECHNICS 1200SL MK2 and have 2 STANTON D60EE Cartridges and doubt I will ever upgrade as I"m 69years old,with 69 years old ears!!
good information. I measure about -90 db of rumble in my SP 10 and there is no way we can hear that through the music. Would love to se a MkIII. but I guess none were sold in my country. Saw one in Japan many years ago but was prised like a new car...No way the rumble is a problem in a sl1200, at least compared to the horrible Thorens 124 and Lenco's which are real rumble machines with that middle-wheel and can't understand why people pay crazy money for a 124.
@@ifixmycarmyself2502 I used to have an SP10mkII and while it was impressively quiet and super convenient to use, the motor control was intrusive - there was an unpleasant aspect to the sound in the upper mids that made everything a bit clinical, digital sounding almost. I think it's down to the governor checking the speed many times a second and making tiny adjustments. Been through a number of turntables since then. Now I have an extensively modified Garrard 301 ('50s design but 21st century engineering) but also a Technics 1200G. I love them both for different reasons - the difference in their sound is analogous to valve vs solid state. My heart loves the idler, my head prefers DD.
Very nice video.. as in one of your shows you said good things about clearaudio concept.. after hearing that, I have clearaudio concept with satisfy tonearm, will you be able to suggest some upgrades.. as I understand from this video power supply and feet will apply same as your technics..thank you !!
@@anadialog I am very happy to have a turntable in my system which has a place in audio enthusiast like you.. when I start it make a noise like the motor is trying to start after that perfect.. clicks and pops has reduced dramatically comparing to audio technica, realistic 420 and pioneer pl41 I have .. I have started and exploring vinyl a lot after this upgrade.. looking forward to get black cube phono suggested by you too.. Finding in USA is hard.. I would like some nice feet or platform for turntable.. And anything else you can suggest.. example cartridge keeping jazz and classical as well as vocal genre in mind.. Your reviews and suggestions are very informative.. thank you
Glad to hear that. The cart and the preamp are the most important. I have changed several phono preamps but the black cube with the separate PSU still remains one of my favorites. For the cart it ain't simple...what budget?
Thank you for reply Sir!! Budget for right now maybe 300 to 500. There is a clearaudio virtuoso wood for 400 which retails about 1000.. used for couple hours.. black cube is something I would like to try.. you as well as some other reviewers has talked very highly about that cube. Rest of my system is dynaudio excite x36, musical fidelity a3.2 integrated amp.. I have other vintage receivers and amp i can use for synergy like Marantz 2245, sansui au517, kenwood kr9600.. thank you!!
Thanks! Another great video! I’ll put on my list to change my Technics SL-3350 RCA cables they look very old school. And may get the fiber mat you suggested too. Just put ArmorAll on the old “rubber” one, looks great now! From your past Video: I already got the Nagaoka sleeves, ZERODUST stylus tip cleaner and should get the AudioQuest brush today😀🙏. I found a “great” thing! From Amazon HD Music when you choose your DAC there is an “Exclusive Mode” option. Seems it prevents noise from other apps etc... For a budget method, I will record directly from Amazon HD - Mac 🖥 - Modi - Nakamichi BX-300 without something like Audirvana and see if it is ok. Any thoughts? Also something funny I just got new old stock Mandarin Chinese language CASSETTE TAPES! HA HA! Thanks Again!🙏
Hi Sam! Thank YOU! Wow, seems you a true fan...thanks! Makes my day! :-) I like your cassette recording chain. Tell us how its sounds! Seems very reasonable and effective. Audirvana is good but not fundamental.
Unrelated topic: Did you see the new SL-1210GAE NAGAOKA JT-1210? Probably not as nice as yours. But still nice! At least I have the NAGAOKA anti-static sleeves. 😉
in this video you prefer OCC silver cable for your turntable. In two other videos about interconnect cables you mentioned that OCC copper cables. This is confusing for me - what do you think is better ( your personal opinion - sure)
Dont get hung up on cable,.cable = capacitance = very subtle tone filtering that can easily be negated by the tone stack control on your amp,.i build guitar effects and amp emulators and if we thought sliver coated wire (over copper anyway!) would make circuits sound better we would be doing it,its utter snake oil, copper is cool to use!
Wow $300 for a turntable mat will the record sound better I'm just wondering I use the Rubber from the turntable when I'm only listining to my collection of records lp cus it will not scratch the record n it take out the hauling noise when I blast the music at a loud valume with base just wondering thank you like all your videos sir
I have the GR version and noticed that the rubber mat is about half as thin as the old technics 1200 mats. I went on eBay and bought an original (thicker) technics rubber mat. I actually like their rubber mats. 🤷🏻♂️
The mat that is advised here doesn't seem to have an indentation (lower part) at the center where the label of the LP resides. So the LP more or less floats in an instable manner above the mat, only making contact with the mat via the label. How can that be a good thing?! I use the Funk Firm Achromat which has such an indentation for the label; I like the relaxation of the sound it provides (Turntable VPI Scoutmaster Signature).
I have the acromat. Good but not the best for the Technics. The mat is so thin that it doesn't influence the label. With a standard clamp you can be sound in that if it concerns you.
I just bought the 1200g and I'm having an issue balancing the tonearm and getting the correct tracking force I am using a ortofon blue ortofon headshell I'm not using the aux weight , when I balance the tone arm and set I set the I set the dial to zero on the counter weight then adjust to 1.8 for xorrect counter forcer weight when I check with scale I am 1.4 tracking force instead of 1.8 what can it be please help
They do not. The PLX-1000 is built for Pioneer by Hanpin. The majority of the non-Technics turntables that look like the 1200 are made by Hanpin in China or Taiwan. They're able to use the design because it's a fairly common design, and whatever patents Technics may have held are no longer active. But Technics would NEVER allow someone else's name to go on their gear, nor would their parent company, Panasonic.
Wow that rubber base of your G is pitchblack and shiny. Do you do anything special treatment or clean them with a special product? Find mine to be a bit more faded and grey after a while.
Indeed, adding noise. Don't take my word for it. Here is a scientific article that should help: www.dropbox.com/s/sgd9bszsbkqvp6a/Capacitors_for_Reduced_Microphonics_and_Sound_Emis.pdf?dl=0 I made a dedicated video on the subject. Check also the other docs in the video description: ruclips.net/video/UYMbi7v2pNU/видео.html
Thanks for this video, I think it's the best so far and I like the intro! I have the GR to which I have added some upgrades, in particular the perfect interface from Stein music. I found that it was even better by keeping the original mat underneath, the sound seems warmer to me. Other upgrade, the Delos from isoacoustics is not bad too!
Two years ago I had the chance to try and compare the Stein mat on my Roksan Xerxes 20+ and happily use it since then. It just sounds musically "right". The price for this flimsy piece of equipment might be insane but Holger Stein has done an impressive job by developing this mat@@anadialog
I have the same TT in black 1210G.I'm using MNPCTEC height adjustment feet in silver with sorbothane isolation. There one lb a peice. I love the way thet look. Alsoim considering using a Ikea chopping board for a plinth.
Better an isolation platform. Even the moderately priced Zazen is a good solution. Here is a video with three different budgets I made: ruclips.net/video/v3r5ubI3Tgo/видео.html
I got my technics 1200gr and I notice that the antiskate is way off . I have my tracking force at 1.8 and when I sent the tracking force to the same I try to cue the tone arm to listen to a song and it moves towards the right is there a way to fix that
The Technics antiskate is far from precise. I discovered that with a test disc. Try playing with it and possibly use a test disc like that by hifi+ and don't set it to the corresponding tracking force as you have discovered that does not work.
Once you heard the all new Mcintosh MCD-12000 Tube CD Player with DAC your never want to go back to Vinyl again at any price ! 😇Audio Heaven..as close as Analog as it gets 😉
Great vid. I’d like to add that KAB makes a very nice external PSU for around $250 USD, and as far as feet go, Isonoe also makes some great ones. As for mats, I personally like the Herbies or Funk Firm Achromat, which they make specifically for all the 1200 models. Thanks again for the excellent vid!
I have the Isonoe feet on my 1200G, it’s important that you buy the 25kg version, because the regular suspension version is not able to support the 18kg of the 1200G/GAE.
@@guerrillavinyl3178 Rich people? lol. Not quite, just very passionate about HiFi. I also don’t drive a fancy car, drink, eat at fancy restaurants, etc., etc. I just put my priorities in place, and my main hobby is HiFi, so I put my money into that. You can absolutely bet that I’d drive a nicer car, etc. if I were rich. All the best to you, guerilla vinyl! ✌️🎶🙂🔊
Just need to check the website better. Right here, under accessories: eu.teac-audio.com/en-GLOBAL/audio-hifi/turntables/turntables/turntable-accessories/ta-ts30un/p/156681
Hi, maybe you can help me, I bought an 1210GR in United States, I took the turntable to my country where we have 220v, the label in the back reads 120v, but in the page I can see they are multi voltage, do you know if I can plug my GR directly to 220v without using a step down transformer? Thanks in advance
Hi i have a 1200 mk 2 since 1989, just used for listening and serviced twice, and it’s still amazing. Just out of curiosity, are you italian? Best regards from Italy anyway, love your vids. Giova
Just upgraded my 1200GR to a1200G... Guess it's a good upgrade😃 Also waiting for my KAB TD1000 I initially ordered for my GR which will now be my first upgrade for the G...
Hi there, just to let you know... The KAB TD1000 arrived yesterday and for me it has a huge impact. The seperation of single instruments and voices improves alot but most of all the bass is so controlled now... Awesome... Didn't expect it to have such an impact. Btw I use an Audio Technica AT150MLX cartridge with a nagaoka magnesium headshell! Thanks alot for this tip even it didn't have the same positive effect for you!
Did you compare the sound quality of 1200G and GR before you take the more expensive ones? The difference is 2000 EUR. What's about the sound quality from your personal point of view? You can spend these money e.g. for much better cartridges. Thanks for your video For me it is interesting why you choose this technics model and not other products like e.g. VPI .... For me the technics looks good and I will upgrade my turntable this year.
I haven't compared them side by side but the upgrade is quite significant. I do not like direct drive turntables but when they are well conceives like this they really go up in turntable heaven and can be compared to models tha cost at least twice as much. In fact, that is why Michael Fremer did that comparison with his Caliburn. As I said in the video, Caliburn wins but the Technics is right behind it and we are talking of a 125.000$ machine! I don't even like much the estethics but the sound is precise, controlled and subtle where needed. Check out this wobble issue. Some models have it more than others. If you intend to spend 2000$ on a cart and get a GR insted of a G then I think it is a wise choice since the cart IMHO is much more important. Nevertheless, the turntable is likely to remain for several years, while you van always upgrade to a better cart. Make your choice!
Ciao, dopo aver venduto il mio Rega RP 8 sto seriamente pensando di acquistare un Technics, ma non ho esperienza con questi giradischi, magari puoi darmi un consiglio. Quale considereresti migliore tra un 1200GR nuovo o un SP15 con base originale e braccio SME3009? Grazie!
Io ho venduto is mio Technics ma confermo che è un ottimo giradischi. Ho preso un EMT 948 e un Kuzma stabi R. Il punto un po' debole del Techmics è in effetti il braccio m a cmq di alto livello. SP15 lo conosco solo di Fama ma potrebbe essere una buona soluzione con cotanto braccio. A naso il GR dovrebbe cmq essere meglio...
@@anadialog Grazie per la risposta. Difficile decidere senza poter fare prove di ascolto comparate. Del GR se ne parla bene per quanto riguarda il motore, ma viene molto criticato il braccio, e sembra che telaio e piedini siano inferiori anche ai vecchi 1200mk2, quindi meno isolanti. Intanto mi sono fatto prestare un 1200mk2 da un amico e montato la mia Benz Micro Glider SL per farmi un'idea. Devo dire sono sorpreso, per me per l'80% delle cose suona meglio del mio vecchio Rega RP8, gli manca solo un pochino di trasparenza e di silenzio di fondo, ma considera che sono con i cavi stock di quaità bassissima e uno shell da 20 euro.
Ciao alla fine ho cambiato direzione, ho preso un Garrard 401 in ottimo stato con braccio SME3009. Sono contentissimo, questa macchina è semplicemente magica! Produce un suono musicalissimo e di una potenza disarmante, veramente imponente. Non ho sentito i technics sp15 o 1200gr, ma ho avuto in prestito il 1200mkII di un mio amico mi era piaciuto molto perché precisissimo e stabile, però un po’ freddino e poco coinvolgente. Sono molto contento dell’acquisto per ora.
Having gone through many of these similar upgrades on my GR, I found myself questioning whether many were worth it. The stock headshell is superb and one of the lightest available, great for those mid to higher compliance carts. The KAB damper gave me mixed results. I only found it beneficial for carts whose compliance was too high for my arm, mostly vintage ones. For everything else the damper softened the sound too much, especially with my Hana SL and ML. You can spend thousands on upgrades and perhaps you will hear a tiny difference or perhaps, like me, you will have to try and convince yourself it was worth it. In the end, I returned my GR to mostly stock and sold most of the aftermarkets. The only ones I kept were a Herbies mat, damper for my high comp carts, and higher quality interconnects. I would definitely recommend spending money on a better cartridge or better phono stage before going down the rabbit hole of aftermarkets and diminishing returns.
I agree entirely. My experience with similar upgrades (on the 1200G) is that in some cases there were extremely subtle and barley audible changes -- and in most cases not better, not worse. This applies to the KAB tonearm damper and an external power supply (a tried and tested linear low-noise design that I diy'd myself).
I've had a little more success with diy interconnects and tonearm wire. Biggest changes have been though trying cartridges and phono preamps, and getting a record cleaner (washer/vacuum type).
I would say, however, that the biggest change in my enjoyment of the turntable has been in buying more vinyl! For the price of the KAB damper and an off-the-shelf external PSU, you can get nearly 40 high quality new vinyl records.
well said.....
I installed the KAB fluid damper mod and was completely blown away by a much much improved stereo image, it was a huge upgrade!!
As was the Achromat
And the stupidly expensive pure magnesium Jelco headshell.
thanks for the tips, appreciated
Nicely done on the intro! The sound and video effects were cool, your best yet! Keep up the great work!
Thank you for mentioning our EPS in your video. We would like to point some things out: our EPS is the worldwide only linear PSU with internal current regulation pcb, made by us to exact design as original SMPS pcb mounted on the GAE/G/Gr. All the direct drive decks suffer if current regulation board is located far from the motor, as they need instant power by request, something you cannot achieve with a normal (and cheaper) external circuit.
Original SMPS (switching) power supply is clearly audible if you use an external pre-phono (a lot worse if you use a hi-gain step up for MC carts), so we think that the first step in upgrading a near perfect gear as the GAE/G is to eradicate the noise, then you can go to improve the other parts. BTW original tonearm is a piece of art and absolutely stunning in performance, opposite to the cheap RCA cables supplied with the deck.
Best,
Precision Sound Lab
Thank you for giving us extra information.
That intro was pretty cool. Good video.
The only upgrade I've made to my GR is the addition of the Little Fwend tonearm lifter. Lovely little thing. No longer have to rush over at the end of every album.
WOW! Didn't know something like this existed! Do you use their "Disco" fwend (weird name though) and how is it shaping up?
@@sids2012 yeah, I believe that's the 1200 version. I love it. A bit fiddly to set up but it's so smooth and gentle. Just a gentle press down to reset it after each side is all you need to do once you get it dialed in. A bit pricey but it's extremely well made (all machined parts) and reliable. Vinyl Attack has a video on it, go check it out.
Just installed their “Disco” for Technics version and yea it works great! Recently bought a GR but was tempted by the 1500c mainly due to auto-return feature. Now I’m appreciating the better turntable and no worries more relaxing approach to listening with this brilliant addition. I really had to search hard to find an online retailer who still had this specific Disco model in stock. Seems it’s increasingly difficult to find. Shame as it’s the single biggest simple upgrade so far 👍
Did buy the Washi Teac Mat, fantastic on the Platter of Technics SL 1500c. Better than the Linn-Mat or a Carbon-Mat. Thanks for the good Infos.
Truly enjoyed this video.
KAB Electro Acoustics is a nice place to get Technics parts. I have had good service from them.
Buying Technics parts directly from Panasonic Encompass parts on line has worked well for me.
I like my Funk Firm mat on my sl1200mK5
Great video!
Thanks for the recommendations!
No Idea why it took me so long to find your channel, but excellent job! I've been drooling over the 1200G for a while now. It's rare to see that level of engineering go into a modern table of that price.
Hi there! Thanks! I've seen also some of your videos and they were excellent, in particular I remember the one on high fidelity classical music labels. Great info!
You can only really do it if you've got a parent company like Panasonic behind you. I think I read that the 1200G and the 1000G are prestige, low volume products that they don't really make much money on but they enhance the brand.
I think you may be right...and I like both your alternatives. Use the remaining money for a super cart and/or phono stage!
Awesome turntable. My dream. I have only the sl1500c,
And most probably couldn't tell a difference in a blind test. Seriously.
Usefull & interesting as usual!!
Great video, as always! Even though I have an SL1210 mk2, I found this very interesting. I'm also thinking about changing the RCA cables, and eventually the power cord, although first I need to get a soldering iron (and learn how to use it). I'll be watching your video on homemade high quality cables. But I do have a question, does the height of the feet affect the level of isolation? Is it "better" to have to feet, let's say all the way up, or all the way down in order to reduce the impact of vibration?
Regards from Spain!
you use the feet adjustment to level the turntable - the height doesn't make much difference.
KAB has a host of upgrades you can do yourself if so inclined. The most labor intensive one is the tonearm cable upgrade, but KAB and others on RUclips walk you through it. Definitely a labor of love.
Great info ....Have safe and great weekend
Hi! Great to see you also still think this is one awesome Japanese masterful engineered machine :) My only mod I've done, is the interconnect cable. I'm even back to the original rubber mat. For most of my none audiophile records I prefer it. But the Teac Washi looks like some I should definitely try. Thanks for sharing the tip. Cheers. /Paul
Absolutely! Please let us know your feedback if you try!
Hey everyone, check out Paul's channel he finds amazing vinyl records that you wouldn't even imagine they exist! Amazing recommendations! 👌
@@anadialog Thanks for the shout out! For sure am curious to the possibilities the Washi gives.
Hi Paul! Good to see you again! 😃
I also still use the Technics stock mat after trying various types of mats.
I’m still considering the old 6mm Technics mat (twice as thick as the stock mat). The rubber provides excellent damping; it’s the same as the damping rubber at the back of the platter.
Mostly because the additional 3mm are useful for some extra VTA headroom with low profile cartridges and high headshells like those from Ortofon.
What great timing for this video to be posted. I just upgraded my headshell to the Orsonic AV-101s as recommended on a previous video. But I broke a rule and changed the headshell, leads, and cartridge at the same time! Definite improvement, but what gave the most improvement I won’t know. I still found I had some albums that didn’t sound as good as I know they should be low bass edgy highs. I played with VTA and could get one album to sound better but then the next would require tweaking. I also thought about tone arm vibrations and tried to think of low cost quick solution. I came up with putting 10 small dental rubber bands on the arm in a staggered distance; spaced far apart towards the base and bunched closer as you get to the headshell. The thought here is to break up the nodes of the vibration. Did not make any calculations for this just visually spaced. This is a-bit ugly, But, resulting sound is more important then good looks, to me!This made a significant difference in the sound it brought down the edgy highs and gave me the bass I was expecting. It may have dulled the vocals (still testing it out). Between this test and your video I’m a believer in needing to address vibrations in the turntable and the arm !! Question, before this I was thinking about the isoacoustics for my speaker. I would need the 2 sets of the Gaia II. Vs purchasing an island for the turntable. What would you recommend doing first, speakers or turntable?
Cool tweak! I would start with the speakers.
Dude, this video is badass! I wish I could afford a technics! I used to be "vinyl city 2" btw!
i changed the 1200g to my mt 2 mcintosh who had a humming problem,,this technics is awesome
I recently picked up a Technics GR head shell with the tiny screw to adjust azimuth, and I’m underwhelmed; too easy to strip, and hard to loosen it up enough to where you can adjust it on the arm without it being floppy, and then trying to tighten it once you have it right changes the setting.
very good video again. thx. from todays point, would you still spend 4k on this model, or perhaps buy a different turntable? do you have no platter wobble at all?
Because I am curious I will always answer: a different one. But that does not withdraw my enthusiasm and appreciation of this model.
Fortunately, no, no wobble.
Brilliant video!
I tried an oelback power supply and i have to say it is amazing i could even go as far as saying it is the most important thing along with the cartridge and Wood math.
Technics SL
1200 mk 4 is My favourite Model along with the gr g and 1000 ofc its the best.
Thanks for sharing your experience! A lot of people are skeptical about tye power supply and your first hand experience is precious!
ANA[DIA]LOG thx for replying so soon! I admire your knowledge on TT-maths and resonance.
I will look into the 30 dollar version For My new at2lpx since it has a felt math
What power cable would you recommend? I have the GR and I don't have a large budget to spend on the cable. Would rather save up to get the 1200G.
Thanks for you advice.
Terry
Nothing fancy, really! Just a well shielded powercord. This 20$ ine seems perfect: qrco.de/bbWtAZ
Better invest mainly on the interconnects! Or, I forgot to mention in the video, the cartrdige leads.
Hi, very interesting video. I have the Technics sl1200GR. Which model of feet do you prefer the gaia iii or the funk firm? the wooden plinth with these feet is necessary?
Thank you very much and sorry for my bad english.
Regards.
Pd: what do you think about the Isonoe isolation feet? Thanks again!
I have only experienced the Gaia and other isoacoustics products do to their positive effect on other contexts so I can't really make a distinction.
The best upgrade I performed on my SL-1200 MK2 was replacing the stock tonearm for a Jelco TK-850S. Night & day difference. Unfortunately Jelco as a company closed and stopped manufacturing due to the pandemic.
What changed to the better? Less vibrations picked up by the cart/arm? And, are you still able to adjust VTA on the fly with the regular VTA ring with the Jelco? It's slightly heavier than the stock Technics arm so I guess it rules out some very high compliance carts. But then again, if you swap tonearms one tables you're most likely to use an expensive MC cartridge and those are generally low to medium compliance.
Pretty proud w/my 850.00 1981 DUAL 1264. After purchasing 'platter matter..wow & flutter went non-existent. Still works/sounds great w/the ULM Tome Arm.
Thanx for your time !! Very interesting clip ...Subscribed 😊
Thank YOU!
great video!..nice list of upgrades to consider. About 10 years ago I bought a near-mint (basically "unused") Technics SL2-J6 Direct Drive turntable and it's been fantastic. I've been using the Grado black (eliptical) cartridge. I know there are many better (obviously) but I prefer the "classic" vinyl sound as much as possible. However, I'm thinking a Shibata tip moving coil might be my next upgrade. BTW Thanks for the suggestion on that! I don't get much inner groove distortion (unless it's a heavy metal album I'm playing) but maybe the shibata tip will track better on the "squeezed" grooves. I believe the arm is low mass so one thing I like about the Grado is that it's medium mass suits the lightweight arm well. I guess I could even go high mass next time and that would be okay. Right now I'm at 9g total weight (arm + cartridge).
One question I have...the (original) Technics manual that came with the player says the "Resonance Frequency" of the player is 12hz. I believe the ideal frequency is closer to 9-12hz, so I'm already on the higher end of the (suggested) range. What type of upgrades should I be cautious of that would not push the 12hz upward?
Thanks again my friend, very nice video.
Thank you man! Well, it's always the trick of matching the cart compliance and the arm mass. If they arm is to stay, you must look for the best compliance when searching for a new cart. Here are some details if you haven't seen it: ruclips.net/video/T428mIuw9IQ/видео.html
Thank you for the review of possible upgrades. I like the Funk Firm package they put for Technics SL1200 series (absorbing feet, absorbing rug, houdini cartridge add on). But the weakness of the turntable seems to be the tonearm. The tonearm you recommend for upgrade no longer exists. In fact, it is a struggle to find a tonearm of good quality with a removable headshell. Why is that? There would be a niche market there with significant profits. Technics SL 1200 is by far the most sold turntable. Would you have any tonearm suggestions for 2022-2023?
What do you think about the Pioneer PL 630?
I confess I agree with you less than a 3rd of the time but still your channel is so valuable to learn about new things, regarding mats I wanted to bury my head in the sand for buying and Achromat (around £70) to my humble belt driven set up. I actually bought it because I hated the appearance of cork so not believing at all in all the so call benefits and ok, it was not miracle but static wen down and music bass gain a lot of control, it lifted my set up. That is a funkfirm product and they make a version for the Sl1200, did you try that one? Btw thanks for the Washi tip. I do not need it now but I get the reason why it should work.
I have a KAB rewired tonearm, using cardas litz cable inside the arm. I feel like this is one of the few places where a cable can make a difference. According to Kevin at KAB, one of the biggest weaknesses of the stock arm, was just the cabling.
I agree, especially if we are talking direct cable!
Hi, I love sound from vinyl but I haven't and use CD.
I'm very impressed with the sound of Japanese CDs UHQCD (Ultimate High Quality CD) + MQA
because their sound is very similar to the sound of a vinyl record, very good vinyl record.
Greetings from Poland!
I think MQA is a scam. But just from reading about it.
Hello from Germany and thank you for your efforts. I got the SL 1210 G in black for my second hand records and for my daughter and her lps as an entry to good analog playback. The washi mat is really good and looks very nice. Pick up is a Ortofon Concorde Club 2 and what can I say - this setup is really good - even in comparison to a legend like the the Sony PSX 9 with original cartridge.
Nice! Thanks for sharing that.
You got $4000 turntable for second hand records...
@@danender5555 😂 Yes Sir, I am a real snob 😉 In fact I bought it second hand, being a steal for the money. I need it also for archive purposes and swapping a cartridge is done in minutes. I got about 6500 records, so there is some work to do. Happy listening🙂
@@stefanhooss2822 Well, to taint a $4000 turntable with $200 cartridge is not very snobbish... But for second hand records the consumable cartridge may play well, especially when your daughter use it too...
However, you forgot to mention, what is your primary turntable for your mint shaped records? Let me guess...
Continuum Caliburn
@@danender5555 🙃Certainly not a Caliburn - for this amount of money I would rather buy a good italian violin or one or two good french violin bows😉The cleaned or mint records are played on a TW Acustic Raven GT with original TW Acustic Raven 10.5 arm and a Dynavector XX MK 2 cartridge.
I am not rich - I was a teacher and am now retired - but I like high fidelity and music. Having no expensive car, don't smoking and drinking and not divorced - I could save some money ...😊
The Funk Carbon component mate on my Dual 1229 is marvelous
I have a SL-1200 MK III, with a SME series III tonearm, this also includes the fluid damper, and wires replacement.
It uses Isonoe black isolation feet,. Replaced all the lights with LED’s. Added hinges for the dust cover and last one uses a better cartridge a moving coil one from Hana the SL Series. Everything, but the cartridge was sourced from eBay. Total cost including turntable and cartridge was $2,350 USD
Next step will be an external power supply, but maybe I will go with a good power cable.
Fluid damper came optional first in the SME Series iii, then it was standard.
This SL-1200 sounds really good, as good as my Series 20 (Pioneer) with a SME Series III and a Dynavector 20X2, I purchased this turntable back in 1980, but the cartridge I purchased it last year substituting a Dynavector 17D.
externalising the power supply is more valuable than a power cable. Personally I wouldn't want to have a separate power supply as it would make playing out a pain in the ass as a DJ. But I do want to at least get the strobe disablers and DC regulators from Kabusa.
Good video as usual. Bought a new SL1200 and quite soon it developed a play in the arm bearings and was kind of unstable in the high adjustment of the arm. So, a greate improvement was to adjust the rattling tonarm bearings and fix the tone arm base, not adjustable any more. after some fiddling with that Sl1200 i later bought a SL1000 with SME arm for 150$ (1993)
I am considering to buy the TEAC mat, but my main concern is the thinness. Can I use it directly over the platter and being able to adjust the VTA or should I use it over another mat (cork, felt, rubber,...)?
It isn't as thick as the rubber mat by Technics but surely much more than the Stein. It should be used alone but with something stiff below, like an achromat or something similar IMO it's ok.
Can this aslo work for a tech 12 from the early 90's??? I HAVE two of them and they are in perfect condition
Most of them, yes. Che the KAB website they have several mods.
Hi thanks for another great video, I have an 1210GAE, with the Nagaoka JT-1210 cartridge, and I love it! This cartridge that was specifically tuned by a joint team of engineers from Technics and Nagaoka. Have you had the oportunity to listen to it, what do you think about it?
I haven't! But Nagaoka is a great brand
Thanks for the tips, especially the tone arm assist block for buffering the tone arm, what a great idea and I'd never heard of that material for a turntable mat, will try the Washi mat for sure. Currently I use a cork mat on my old Technics SL1700 turntable and it made a vast difference over felt(the biggest impact being you don't get fibers coming off onto your vinyl records.) I'm thinking of upgrading to the SL1200 GR model(the G model looks amazing but it's $7000 versus $2750 and is there really that much of a difference for that extra $4250?? Fellow Audiophiles, please let me know what it gives you thmat the standard already high quality model doesn't. It's already a step above the SL1210 MK 7(which is more of a DJ specific model and features options which to be honest just looked like they would add more noise than anything else for the audiophile) and 2 steps above the entry level SL1500C model, so I'm leaning towards it. It represents great value without going into the too much money or dare I say it 'rich and shameless' category but hey if it gets the sound improvements that give you joy, then it's worth it right? I'd also argue that unless your going to get a very expensive phono pre-amp, is the SL1200 G really going to be worth it? Please do enlighten me fellow fans, as there has to be some amazing benefits to be had for that extra money. (You can almost purchase three SL1200GR turntables for the cost of the G model.)
I have the TEAC washi with a technics sl1600 . Is it okay to use on top of original mat? My tt does not have vta adjustments
Sure, it's very thin!
Would the Gaia III work with the 1500c?
Would you know the thread size of the Isoacoustics Gaia 3 feet suitable for the SL1200 GR ?
Hallo Guido and everybody, i have a question about the Thecnics SL-1200 GAE. As you know there is also the black limited edition for 55 anniversary (GAENA). Do you think is only a marketing strategy or the black one will have more value in the future?
I think that the Real iconic is the silver one, and you? I would like to know your opinion as a technics owner and fan. Thank you very much.
I think the black will definitely hold and increase its value. It's beautiful and I think it looks even better than the silver edition!
Hello again! What phono pre do you use now? Again, what headphone amplifier do you use? Thx!
I am currently using a SPL phonos and for headphones the one of my Primaluna Prenium Dialog HP and the one of my RME DAC Adi 2 Pro FS with high power.
ANA[DIA]LOG fantastic.
I'm surprised Technics doesn't make a newer suspended platter/ tone arm design like they had back in the 70s and early 80s. I have a Technics SL1800 mk2 that was based on the 1200 but had a full dampened suspension. You can jump up and down, or knock on the plinth and will never hear any thumps. Its a great design.
True!
1200MKII - for "beginner audiophile" - been using several since 1990 - not a beginner, work in professional field , nothing comes close. Use slightly modded models for professional archival service, Vinyl to digital remasters, and my stripped down ones for turntablism and DJ service/ studio work . It's the most versatile and durable turntable out there. Fremer's fancy $25,000 Turntable.. it's pretty and functional but the buyer is paying for the R&D that's why it's so expensive and there are no improvements, especially if you isolate/tweak your 1200 properly. That's another topic as well as proper use of Cartridge / Stylus combos and the basic overhaul of copper cable inside and in headshell / output. Thanks for the video about upgrading the modern 1200 series.
No improvements needed , correct .
1200 Mk2 the only maintenance needed is a bit of lube for the flywheel after decades of use .
Hi, what you think about Pioneer Plx1000?
Interesting video, as most of yours usually are. I have a GR and the only thing I really changed, aside from the el-cheapo RCA's, is the mat and the headshell. But I do use the stock headshell for one of my carts. Got the LP Gear Zupreme headshell, it's kinda heavy, but I like it I guess. I changed the mat to an old school 6mm Technics mat, it's heavier and I think it sounds better. The other stuff, I think is ridiculous. The power cable? hell no. The one Technics supplied is super thick and I get no noise. The power supply? No, they redesigned it from the old ones. That company selling them is trying too hard to justify it. The feet? I get almost ZERO feedback or vibration of any kind. The whole point of the 1200 line is that they are soooo resistant to external vibrations. I might change out the arm for fun, as it's really the only "weak link" in the package. I recently Got a Rega RB250 and all the upgrades for it that I was going to put on an older 1200, but now I might just put it on the GR.
Solid advice
Thanks
Top tip. Clean the contacts in the head shell with switch cleaner. It's a simple thing but I am sure you will notice the difference. Your audio chain is only as good as the weekest link.
I agree, I use the deoxit series in all contacts and cables: ruclips.net/video/nPRmEa2PB1U/видео.html
Hi, great video.
I need some advice: I'm about to get a 1200G, I already have a Koetsu Balck, which headshell do you recommend?
It all boils down to the compliance. Here is a video I made that may help you: ruclips.net/video/T428mIuw9IQ/видео.html
@@anadialog Sorry , for me is too hard to calculate, i know the 1200G tonearm mass is about 12gr (right?), the complience standard of the Koestu black is 13x10 and is mass is 12,1 , so i dont know ho to calculte the rigth mass of the heashell...
The tonearm without headhsell is 10g. Sum all the rest, weigh your headshell, screws and cart and then go back to my video and use the application to calculate the compliance/resonance linked in the video description. Done!
My advice to you Matteo Noli is I recommend the one it comes with, you can spend a lot of money on these so called upgrades but unfortunately your hearing is no where near sensitive enough to detect it, that's why all these so called experts have to run these things thru computer programs to detect any difference, buy the G model fit a decent cart and then just play your favourite tunes 😉.
IMHO if you buy a turntable (any turntable) then spend a fortune on upgrades or improvements, then you've bought the wrong turntable in the first place.
Agreed
Thank you for this video. I just ordered a new SL1210-GR not the top of the line like yours but is still a very good TT. I am going to do some of the upgrades you mentioned like good RCA output cables, better power cord for sure as a start. However I need to consider cartridges and phono Pre-s do you you have a video on these? Or recommendations. I was considering either a Whest Two.2 or a Sutherland 20/20 per phono stage and a Hana ML cartridge. Thoughts?
Great choices there! I would go with the Sutherland all the way, Hana included!
The Hana ML is an extraordinary cartridge for the money. I've lost count of the number of MC carts I've used but I've had at least a dozen that cost more than the Hana but none that were better. I've also got their Umami Red which is better again but not by much. The ML is the standout value in the range.
Funnily enough I've also had Whest and Sutherland phono stages, not those models though. Mate of mine has a Limetree which, if you ditch the wall wart PSU in favour of a linear one, is very good indeed - far better than you'd expect for £800.
@@anadialog Well I went with the Whest two.2 and a AT 740ML MM cartridge. There were mixed reviews on which is better and the consensus was both are great. I saved more cash on the Whest and being this was my first cart and pre gave it a shot. So far no regrets.
@@leehazlewoodism I think I will get this as a second cartridge down the road. So far liking my MM AT740ML.
Where did You get the Counterweight from?. Every picture I have seen of this TT has the Normal one fitted.
It's the normal one, it just has the extra, smaller weight, screwed in.
@@anadialog Thanks.
Little off topic but...If I was going to replace the GRs footers with gaia 3s...then put the table on a wood isolation platform(plinth)...what should go under the platform? Couple or decouple the platform to rack shelf(spikes/cones) or sorbathane)
A good isolation platform is a good idea. Decoupling is always better than damping in this case. Even though a true decoupling is very difficult to achieve with a simple platform, in most cases IMO it is more a combination of these.
@@anadialog basically...Something like the gaia lll would be a tool used for "decoupling"...and spikes/cones would be used to "couple"?
What’s your opinion on the The GrooveMaster II Tonearm as an upgrade for the SL1200GR. It’s price is about the same as the 1200GR.
I haven't tried it and I changed my turntable a few months ago but the groovemaster is a fine peace of gear and I am pretty sure you will be happy with it. The tonearm is the weak part of Technics IMHO...but absolutely decent.
Nice Video a few items are questionable upgrade from an already almost perfect turntable at $3900. However people like to tweak and improve anything if they can. Hence Automobiles as an example. I am considering this turntable or a VPI Prime. Not sure which would provide the best sound and utility. I am thinking the Technics being it is so well engineered for plug an play.
How are you getting your VTA set with such a thin mat? I have a Funkfirm mat on my 1200g and I’m all the way down and I’m still not perfectly parallel. Great video!
Nope, impossible. But hey, the sound is better. It is really obvious!
@@anadialog You replied! Thank you so much! I ordered the Washi mat after seeing this and got a nice ADC magnesium headshell a while back, too. Love this channel!
Great! Give us some feedback!
Have you tested the antiskate? Do you have to set it to the same and the cartridge weight ?
Of course, perfectly calibrated with a test record
Generally good advice on the upgrades, some of which I have done ( mat, feet, isolation platform & headshell ) to my own recently bought Technics SL1200gr. However, 2 of the upgrades ( changing the tonearm & using an external power supply) I would only consider if I wanted to use an exotic, low compliance moving coil cartridge ( like a Koetsu or Kiseki )and would prefer to upgrade the turntable to the g version rather than use an external PSU due the fact the gr internal psu is a switch mode type, which produces no noise or vibration. Also cheaper direct drive ( from Hanpin ) are far better than you have indicated. I also use a Reloop rp7000 mk2 ( tweaked similarly to my gr ) which is nearly as capable as the sl1200. Lower end direct drive turntables, nowadays, can perform very well in domestic audio systems. After all they have been designed to operate, reliably, in the very hostile environment of dance clubs. Therefore, they're far more robust, vibration resistant and less fussy to maintain than most belt drives. They can be excellent value for money alternatives to the much lauded belt drive offerings from Pro-ject, Rega, etc.
Reloop 7000 mk2 excellent looking deck , I wouldn't say no to one .
@@peterstudley1804 Also excellent sounding. Even though its price has risen to almost twice the price I paid, it is still excellent value for money.
Which of the three models is the one you show in the video? The SL1200G, SL1200GAE or SL1200GR ? Thanks!
The SL1200G
It's the Professor, where's Tokyo ? Great upload.
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Nothing new here; I had an original SL120 with an SME 3009 series ii detachable head shell complete with the original FD200 fluid damper and an ADC magnesium head shell. I used various cartridges; ADC XLM, Stanton 681EEE, Shure V15. Ortofon M20 FL. This was before moving coil cartridges became popular. This was over 40 years ago, what goes around comes around?
Love it that your paying attention to the cabling , it very important, great video👍
Will rounded housed power cables fit the technics? I saw you recommended one in another video, but wasn't sure if that would fit the turntable since they plug is at the bottom. or what would you recommend that's not too expensive. Need at least 3 meters or more..
That is the least important upgrade. Just get a well shielded quality cable, doesn't have to be hifi cable. I am not familiar with the cable you mentioned in the beginning...I am Italian!
@@anadialog Thanks for your reply.
i watched the video on the go and i might have overheard it but i couldn't find anything in the notes. what kind of headshell are you using? manufacturer, model, etc? regards!
In the video I am using an Orsonic AV101s
@@anadialog oh heck! tx for the reply. i immediately did a search on that subject and it seems it is no longer being produced. all i could find were used sales. there's so many headshells out there i wonder what would be your bet if you hadn't one already? regards
I got mine on eBay and its a replica. The quality is quite good.
Good video. I’m about to fit a Funk FX3 to mine, just waiting for an arm board. I borrowed a 1200G with FX3 first with an AT Art1000 on it, absolutely stunning. I also compared it to an SMEV and it easily beat it for way under half the price. The carbon fibre cross in the tube seems to me a game changer. I had the KAB 1000 on the standard arm and would recommend it. I also installed the Timestep power supply. The pic you showed is the old one, the new one has a switch in the front. I made recordings before and after, it does make a significant difference. I’m using a 5mm Achromat on mine. Big improvement over rubber.
While I use the Gaia under my Martin Logan CLX Arts, I think they have too much damping for the turntable. Their platform or a Townshend Seismic Sink or more cheaply and just as effective, the Funk Boings. I have all three in different places in my systems!
I made my own silver shielded litz interconnect, better than anything else I have tried from VDH QED or Neotech. I tried AT Art9 but its not a good match for the arm 6.5Hz resonant frequency, sounded very bright even with extreme VTA!
What program do you use to make the intro
I just bought SL1200GR and am planning to join ANALOG group, thank you for your suggestion.
Welcome!!
Congratz on the best TT available in This pricegroup IMO.
Actually, you are wrong on direct drive with the flywheel affect and servo of the 1100A on a test using Brüel & Kjær back in 1975 was vastly superior to the Linn LP-12 in every analog test as mine had a rumble of ..025 and weighted of -78 and unweighted of -59db. We did this at a Linn Dealer that though they would show the world it was wrong. The flywheel affect along with 3 dimensional balancing of the table itself proved in EVERY case from the SL 1350 to the SP10, they were all superior. Physics is left to those who understand it. By the end of the run of the SP-10mkIII it is actually better than the current reference system and had arm combinations that were beyond anything one can get today except perhaps Graham Engineering. The arm that was by far the best other than the SP-10 arms of later models (for god sake they had titanium nitride and boron arms with silver wiring and ruby bearings), were the SME 3009 II and III with no removable head shell and also was wired with silver wire. The tracking of the older cartridges of either MC or MM actually exceeds most every cartridge today. The older Ortofons were capable of tracking at 90-95 and frequency response that was not seen again for 20-30 years. The fools that took the platter off do not understand physics as the motor was absolutely dead on perfect and was used by cutter systems in every master since the early 70s and are still in demand.
Word. My $30 1988 Stanton 500s sounded just as good as these overpriced Ortofon Concorde things. Or maybe I was 20 years old and my hearing was better. Lol
@@jimovergaard1254 Excellent information! I have a 40 year old TECHNICS 1200SL MK2 and have 2 STANTON D60EE Cartridges and doubt I will ever upgrade as I"m 69years old,with 69 years old ears!!
Agreed . The noise and rumble argument is rubbish. Iv had belt drive and direct drive and I'm direct drive all the way
good information. I measure about -90 db of rumble in my SP 10 and there is no way we can hear that through the music. Would love to se a MkIII. but I guess none were sold in my country. Saw one in Japan many years ago but was prised like a new car...No way the rumble is a problem in a sl1200, at least compared to the horrible Thorens 124 and Lenco's which are real rumble machines with that middle-wheel and can't understand why people pay crazy money for a 124.
@@ifixmycarmyself2502 I used to have an SP10mkII and while it was impressively quiet and super convenient to use, the motor control was intrusive - there was an unpleasant aspect to the sound in the upper mids that made everything a bit clinical, digital sounding almost. I think it's down to the governor checking the speed many times a second and making tiny adjustments.
Been through a number of turntables since then. Now I have an extensively modified Garrard 301 ('50s design but 21st century engineering) but also a Technics 1200G. I love them both for different reasons - the difference in their sound is analogous to valve vs solid state. My heart loves the idler, my head prefers DD.
Very nice video.. as in one of your shows you said good things about clearaudio concept.. after hearing that, I have clearaudio concept with satisfy tonearm, will you be able to suggest some upgrades.. as I understand from this video power supply and feet will apply same as your technics..thank you !!
Cool! Well tell me, are you happy with that jewel? Be honest. I have a soft spot for Clearaudio. The just make wonderful all-in-one packages IMHO
@@anadialog I am very happy to have a turntable in my system which has a place in audio enthusiast like you.. when I start it make a noise like the motor is trying to start after that perfect.. clicks and pops has reduced dramatically comparing to audio technica, realistic 420 and pioneer pl41 I have .. I have started and exploring vinyl a lot after this upgrade.. looking forward to get black cube phono suggested by you too.. Finding in USA is hard..
I would like some nice feet or platform for turntable..
And anything else you can suggest.. example cartridge keeping jazz and classical as well as vocal genre in mind..
Your reviews and suggestions are very informative.. thank you
Glad to hear that. The cart and the preamp are the most important. I have changed several phono preamps but the black cube with the separate PSU still remains one of my favorites. For the cart it ain't simple...what budget?
Thank you for reply Sir!! Budget for right now maybe 300 to 500.
There is a clearaudio virtuoso wood for 400 which retails about 1000.. used for couple hours.. black cube is something I would like to try.. you as well as some other reviewers has talked very highly about that cube.
Rest of my system is dynaudio excite x36, musical fidelity a3.2 integrated amp.. I have other vintage receivers and amp i can use for synergy like Marantz 2245, sansui au517, kenwood kr9600.. thank you!!
Sir.. there is one black cube se not seii.. for 575..
And vaccum tube audio ph14 for sale in my area. What do you think of ph14?
Thanks
Thanks! Another great video! I’ll put on my list to change my Technics SL-3350 RCA cables they look very old school. And may get the fiber mat you suggested too. Just put ArmorAll on the old “rubber” one, looks great now! From your past Video: I already got the Nagaoka sleeves, ZERODUST stylus tip cleaner and should get the AudioQuest brush today😀🙏. I found a “great” thing! From Amazon HD Music when you choose your DAC there is an “Exclusive Mode” option. Seems it prevents noise from other apps etc... For a budget method, I will record directly from Amazon HD - Mac 🖥 - Modi - Nakamichi BX-300 without something like Audirvana and see if it is ok. Any thoughts? Also something funny I just got new old stock Mandarin Chinese language CASSETTE TAPES! HA HA! Thanks Again!🙏
Hi Sam! Thank YOU! Wow, seems you a true fan...thanks! Makes my day! :-) I like your cassette recording chain. Tell us how its sounds! Seems very reasonable and effective. Audirvana is good but not fundamental.
Unrelated topic: Did you see the new SL-1210GAE NAGAOKA JT-1210? Probably not as nice as yours. But still nice! At least I have the NAGAOKA anti-static sleeves. 😉
in this video you prefer OCC silver cable for your turntable. In two other videos about interconnect cables you mentioned that OCC copper cables. This is confusing for me - what do you think is better ( your personal opinion - sure)
Dont get hung up on cable,.cable = capacitance = very subtle tone filtering that can easily be negated by the tone stack control on your amp,.i build guitar effects and amp emulators and if we thought sliver coated wire (over copper anyway!) would make circuits sound better we would be doing it,its utter snake oil, copper is cool to use!
Wow $300 for a turntable mat will the record sound better I'm just wondering I use the Rubber from the turntable when I'm only listining to my collection of records lp cus it will not scratch the record n it take out the hauling noise when I blast the music at a loud valume with base just wondering thank you like all your videos sir
As I admitted it was a bad idea even though it is a very good mat.
Hi sir, i have ordered just an technics sl1200gr2. Which powercord do you recommend? I am from The Netherlands. Thank you.
Hi there! In this case shielding is a good idea. Ludic for example makes great stuff at a decent price
@@anadialog thank you
I have the GR version and noticed that the rubber mat is about half as thin as the old technics 1200 mats. I went on eBay and bought an original (thicker) technics rubber mat. I actually like their rubber mats. 🤷🏻♂️
The mat that is advised here doesn't seem to have an indentation (lower part) at the center where the label of the LP resides. So the LP more or less floats in an instable manner above the mat, only making contact with the mat via the label. How can that be a good thing?! I use the Funk Firm Achromat which has such an indentation for the label; I like the relaxation of the sound it provides (Turntable VPI Scoutmaster Signature).
I have the acromat. Good but not the best for the Technics. The mat is so thin that it doesn't influence the label. With a standard clamp you can be sound in that if it concerns you.
I just bought the 1200g and I'm having an issue balancing the tonearm and getting the correct tracking force I am using a ortofon blue ortofon headshell I'm not using the aux weight , when I balance the tone arm and set I set the I set the dial to zero on the counter weight then adjust to 1.8 for xorrect counter forcer weight when I check with scale I am 1.4 tracking force instead of 1.8 what can it be please help
Just turn the weight until you get the desired force, forget the dials
Question, do technics build the new pioneer PLX-1000 turntable for Pioneer, cause man do it look like the technics turntable
They do not. The PLX-1000 is built for Pioneer by Hanpin. The majority of the non-Technics turntables that look like the 1200 are made by Hanpin in China or Taiwan. They're able to use the design because it's a fairly common design, and whatever patents Technics may have held are no longer active. But Technics would NEVER allow someone else's name to go on their gear, nor would their parent company, Panasonic.
No technics don't make the plx 1000 , it's a super OEM hanpin motor all far east manufactured.
I am waiting for you to get and upgrade a Thorens TD 160 ( MK 1)
Wow that rubber base of your G is pitchblack and shiny. Do you do anything special treatment or clean them with a special product? Find mine to be a bit more faded and grey after a while.
Nothing actually!
@@anadialog so weird
I'm using a amethyst rock mated liège at the corner of the tonearm.
I like the idea.
The capacitors, they vibrate ? Could you explain more ?
Indeed, adding noise. Don't take my word for it. Here is a scientific article that should help: www.dropbox.com/s/sgd9bszsbkqvp6a/Capacitors_for_Reduced_Microphonics_and_Sound_Emis.pdf?dl=0
I made a dedicated video on the subject. Check also the other docs in the video description: ruclips.net/video/UYMbi7v2pNU/видео.html
Thanks for this video, I think it's the best so far and I like the intro! I have the GR to which I have added some upgrades, in particular the perfect interface from Stein music. I found that it was even better by keeping the original mat underneath, the sound seems warmer to me. Other upgrade, the Delos from isoacoustics is not bad too!
Good job!
Two years ago I had the chance to try and compare the Stein mat on my Roksan Xerxes 20+ and happily use it since then. It just sounds musically "right". The price for this flimsy piece of equipment might be insane but Holger Stein has done an impressive job by developing this mat@@anadialog
I have the same TT in black 1210G.I'm using MNPCTEC height adjustment feet in silver with sorbothane isolation. There one lb a peice. I love the way thet look. Alsoim considering using a Ikea chopping board for a plinth.
Better an isolation platform. Even the moderately priced Zazen is a good solution. Here is a video with three different budgets I made: ruclips.net/video/v3r5ubI3Tgo/видео.html
I got my technics 1200gr and I notice that the antiskate is way off . I have my tracking force at 1.8 and when I sent the tracking force to the same I try to cue the tone arm to listen to a song and it moves towards the right is there a way to fix that
The Technics antiskate is far from precise. I discovered that with a test disc. Try playing with it and possibly use a test disc like that by hifi+ and don't set it to the corresponding tracking force as you have discovered that does not work.
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Thanks you my friend I set it to 1 instead of 1.8 and it stays at its place, I will buy a test disc
Once you heard the all new Mcintosh MCD-12000 Tube CD Player with DAC your never want to go back to Vinyl again at any price ! 😇Audio Heaven..as close as Analog as it gets 😉
Great vid. I’d like to add that KAB makes a very nice external PSU for around $250 USD, and as far as feet go, Isonoe also makes some great ones. As for mats, I personally like the Herbies or Funk Firm Achromat, which they make specifically for all the 1200 models.
Thanks again for the excellent vid!
I have the Isonoe feet on my 1200G, it’s important that you buy the 25kg version, because the regular suspension version is not able to support the 18kg of the 1200G/GAE.
Thanks for adding these other solutions!
Rich people are funny. Buy a $4,000 turntable and then feel the need to "upgrade" it.
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Rich people? lol. Not quite, just very passionate about HiFi. I also don’t drive a fancy car, drink, eat at fancy restaurants, etc., etc. I just put my priorities in place, and my main hobby is HiFi, so I put my money into that. You can absolutely bet that I’d drive a nicer car, etc. if I were rich. All the best to you, guerilla vinyl! ✌️🎶🙂🔊
@@guerrillavinyl3178 i know you were referring to the SL1200G, but you can also get the SL1200GR for $1,700.
The teac washi link no longer exists.also on teac nothing is said about this product.any thoughts?
Just need to check the website better. Right here, under accessories: eu.teac-audio.com/en-GLOBAL/audio-hifi/turntables/turntables/turntable-accessories/ta-ts30un/p/156681
Have just ordered an open box deal 1210 GR and my intention is to fit my Jelco arm and Kuetso Red cartridge I also have a Colloro mat .
Hi, maybe you can help me, I bought an 1210GR in United States, I took the turntable to my country where we have 220v, the label in the back reads 120v, but in the page I can see they are multi voltage, do you know if I can plug my GR directly to 220v without using a step down transformer? Thanks in advance
Diego I don't know in detail that model. Don't plug it in until you are 100% sure. Try asking your dealer or directly Technics!
@@anadialog Many thanks for your help, I already contacted Technics in the page, I hope they answer me.
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Hi i have a 1200 mk 2 since 1989, just used for listening and serviced twice, and it’s still amazing.
Just out of curiosity, are you italian?
Best regards from Italy anyway, love your vids.
Giova
Lo sono!
Ah sentivo un accento familiare...
You bought well Gio , think how many lesser decks you would have purchased other wise , the SL1200 MK2 is bomb proof 😉
Just upgraded my 1200GR to a1200G... Guess it's a good upgrade😃 Also waiting for my KAB TD1000 I initially ordered for my GR which will now be my first upgrade for the G...
Congrats!! Give us some feedback! For me the KAB was a medium impact upgrade but for others a high one...
@@anadialog the G is now in use... I'm shocked how much better it is above the GR.... The KAB TD1000 is not here yet... Will report!
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Hi there, just to let you know... The KAB TD1000 arrived yesterday and for me it has a huge impact. The seperation of single instruments and voices improves alot but most of all the bass is so controlled now... Awesome... Didn't expect it to have such an impact. Btw I use an Audio Technica AT150MLX cartridge with a nagaoka magnesium headshell! Thanks alot for this tip even it didn't have the same positive effect for you!
@@dennisdreler4057 cool! Good to know and thanks for the feedback.
Do you have any experience with the 1500c?
I don't...
Did you compare the sound quality of 1200G and GR before you take the more expensive ones? The difference is 2000 EUR. What's about the sound quality from your personal point of view? You can spend these money e.g. for much better cartridges. Thanks for your video
For me it is interesting why you choose this technics model and not other products like e.g. VPI .... For me the technics looks good and I will upgrade my turntable this year.
I haven't compared them side by side but the upgrade is quite significant. I do not like direct drive turntables but when they are well conceives like this they really go up in turntable heaven and can be compared to models tha cost at least twice as much. In fact, that is why Michael Fremer did that comparison with his Caliburn. As I said in the video, Caliburn wins but the Technics is right behind it and we are talking of a 125.000$ machine!
I don't even like much the estethics but the sound is precise, controlled and subtle where needed. Check out this wobble issue. Some models have it more than others. If you intend to spend 2000$ on a cart and get a GR insted of a G then I think it is a wise choice since the cart IMHO is much more important. Nevertheless, the turntable is likely to remain for several years, while you van always upgrade to a better cart. Make your choice!
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Re so nance / resonance good video.
Ciao, dopo aver venduto il mio Rega RP 8 sto seriamente pensando di acquistare un Technics, ma non ho esperienza con questi giradischi, magari puoi darmi un consiglio. Quale considereresti migliore tra un 1200GR nuovo o un SP15 con base originale e braccio SME3009? Grazie!
Io ho venduto is mio Technics ma confermo che è un ottimo giradischi. Ho preso un EMT 948 e un Kuzma stabi R. Il punto un po' debole del Techmics è in effetti il braccio m a cmq di alto livello. SP15 lo conosco solo di Fama ma potrebbe essere una buona soluzione con cotanto braccio. A naso il GR dovrebbe cmq essere meglio...
@@anadialog Grazie per la risposta. Difficile decidere senza poter fare prove di ascolto comparate. Del GR se ne parla bene per quanto riguarda il motore, ma viene molto criticato il braccio, e sembra che telaio e piedini siano inferiori anche ai vecchi 1200mk2, quindi meno isolanti. Intanto mi sono fatto prestare un 1200mk2 da un amico e montato la mia Benz Micro Glider SL per farmi un'idea. Devo dire sono sorpreso, per me per l'80% delle cose suona meglio del mio vecchio Rega RP8, gli manca solo un pochino di trasparenza e di silenzio di fondo, ma considera che sono con i cavi stock di quaità bassissima e uno shell da 20 euro.
Ciao alla fine ho cambiato direzione, ho preso un Garrard 401 in ottimo stato con braccio SME3009. Sono contentissimo, questa macchina è semplicemente magica! Produce un suono musicalissimo e di una potenza disarmante, veramente imponente. Non ho sentito i technics sp15 o 1200gr, ma ho avuto in prestito il 1200mkII di un mio amico mi era piaciuto molto perché precisissimo e stabile, però un po’ freddino e poco coinvolgente. Sono molto contento dell’acquisto per ora.
Secondo me hai fatto una scelta davvero ottima. Se avessi spazio lo prenderei anche io! I giradischi a puleggia hanno davvero qualcosa di magico
What model is it?