JASPER WILDFIRES: "Wokeism" not Climate Change set Jasper ablaze
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Postmedia political columnist Lorne Gunter says preventative measures could have been taken by Parks Canada that may have helped diminish the blazes - but instead “woke” environmentalism fuelled those fires.
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I'm a logger,that lives in Hinton AB. That fire that destroyed Jasper is only the beginning for Jasper national park. What people do not understand is, 44% of the pine trees were killed by the pine Beatles, but when the tree is dead they move to the next tree and every year the Beatles offspring multiply. 90% of the pine trees are infected and dying. What happened was a tragedy, by neglected forest management. The ENTIRE PARK, eventually WILL BURN, there is no choice, that entire park is dead or dying, the only remedy left is for those catastrophic fires too burn and let the forest regrow. It's sad, but true, I see those forests everyday.
@terrytlait6579 Thanks for the information, my friend lives in Hinton and told me exactly what you just said ...
Itll burn through the winter.
Go grow some mushrooms!
@@terrytlait6579 so true, Fires are such an important part of the cycle of a forest and I feel like many people forget that. Gotta let nature do its thing and let the fires burn sometime instead of just pushing the problem to next summer.
Great explanation. Thanks 😊
A wildfire expert warned of this a few years ago on a CBC report. The forest was building up huge amounts of fuel and nothing was being done! Why was nothing done? That’s the burning question!
Take a walk in the woods and you will see why they haven't spent the billions of dollars required to "clean up" our forests since pine beetles and spruce budworm have done their damage...I drove north from Vancouver in 2004 all the way to NWT and witnessed dead and dying forests.
Considering how intensely people whine and sob about paying taxes, how well would it go over to have governments announce that they're going to spend billions upon billions of dollars to "clean up" the forests?
I lived in Jasper as a tourism employee 2015-2020, and have lived in Banff, Revelstoke, Nelson, Hope, Squamish, and as a logger on northern Vancouver Island, as well as being an Environmentalist and a Parks Fanatic since the early 1970's. Parks Canada's attitude in Jasper shocked me, the few times I interacted with them such as reporting bears near the town by phone which they publicize people to do, I found their attitude as haughty, arrogant, even menacing, they would always have a slight but intense threatening tone in their voice as if they could literally EXECUTE me if they so chose, and here all I was trying to do was help them out with information in a polite phone call. They seem to think they are some sort of "GOD" organization sitting on the THRONE of the biggest and maybe the best Park in the Rockies, and like MUCH of Parks Canada, they think the Army will back them in subjugating the public in the streets of Jasper & Banff.
A better question is why you watch CBC.
@@user-conservative-waspsometimes it's nice to know what propaganda is being spewed for the day. I'm not a fan of CBC either and am 100% for them getting defunded but once in a while they do drop a great investigative report that holds some figment of legitimacy. There's still the rare journalist out there with a shred of integrity. I agree that the warning signs have been vocalized for years and nothing was done to manage it. The Liberals will absolutely use this to spin their narrative when the dust settles and they think we forgot, but anyone who paid attention will know better.
Mother nature will give you lots of opportunities to manage things properly, then she will do it for you.
The BEST comment on this video and so true!🎯🎯🎯🎯
Unbelievably true !
Rapid growth in the population of the mountain pine beetle has been caused by climate change. Recent winters have not been cold enough to kill the beetle and prevent its spread throughout much of the BC Interior.
@@garysarela4431for most of Earths history it’s been too warm for ice to form..on the entire globe. So is it “climate change”? Or just the natural order of life restoring itself
@@garysarela4431 The pine beetle population isn't regulated by cold, it is regulated by fire. When it''s cold, it just burrows deep into the tree and hunkers down. Forest fires that burn the dead trees as well as the surrounding area is how nature controls the spread of these beetles.
Why is Steven Guilbeault still a Cabinet Minister?
Why is Trudeau on his everlasting wind surfing vacation?
BECAUSE neither one gives a damn.
Both of them are a cancer to Canada
Possibly because his carbon tax brings in big money from Cdn's pockets.
This is the same parks service that ran the deer cull on Sydney island, at a cost of over $10,000 per deer, farmed out to foreigners using illegal firearms illegally from helicopters!
Woah, you're saying the illegal immigrants are stealing our illegal helicopters??
Damn it! Where are the illegal helicopters for WHITE CANADIANS HUH?
I remember that one!
Where is accountability for the cost of that cull? I want to see public caning, and time in public stocks. Then let's see the drop in GROSSLY WASTEFUL public spending of our tax dollars!
@@chopperking1967 what’s worse, I have seen recent estimates that when all the studies etc are added up it might top $10,000,000 ! I don’t know if I believe that or not but when our government can spend over 2 billion dollars on a firearm registry with no results and drop 100 million on a border crossing app that failled 10 million is possible!
@@chopperking1967 Well... I don't know about THAT, I would be happy if there was just some way to get them out of office. Recall legislation or something to get the buggers out! It is maddening though, I get ya'!
Officially tired of hearing about "climate change"
Problem is too many sheep believe their lies.
My wife and I saw this 3 yrs ago and predicted more fires. We called our trip from Ontario the Great West Smoky Mountain Tour because of all the fires burning everywhere we went. Some nights we slept with our covid masks on! I noticed last yr when I drove through Jasper that nothing had changed. Well, it’s changed now! Parks Canada needs to be sued big time. This is on them.
Did a road trip through there 3 years ago as well. That was a brutal summer. We felt smothered by smoke in our own prairie province and wanted to get away for a bit to change things up. Couldn't see any mountains through Saskatchewan river crossing past Rocky Mountain House, drove through a raging fire on a BC highway before it was closed. When we made it to Vancouver it was clear air and it was nice to finally breathe.
@Dave-gy5mv we laughed at people wearing surgical masks in their cars during covid. We were wearing ours because of all the smoke, even when sleeping sometimes.
@@Yolozemofo we had fire smoke all the way home in BC, in Sask and from Montana fires, in Man from fires there, in Ont from fires in Quetico - that left ash all over everything, and then last year again in Ont from fires in Quebec that even US border states complained about. I don’t ever remember events like that as a kid.
Visited son in Jasper 6 yrs ago. Told him then, "have a go bag ready as those pines are a fire waiting to happen, a tinder box!"
I can confirm that after my team saved the Town of Slave Lake Alberta from burning down the first time and telling them how to prevent it for years afterward that every community lost since then has been lost for political purposes. Let that sink in.
😢😢😢😢
But only the Liberals fault, right??
See Canada's own Friends of Science. She will explain the Jasper Fire in great detail and it is NOT Climate Change.
yeah, I'm sure this is a true story. you saved them and then told them all what to do for years afterwards. Totally true story.
@@jollygeer I wasn’t seeking your approval or anyone else’s lol. It was a team, we saved the pulp mill too if you really want something to look up if you want lol. Or don’t, your just another cookie cutter keyboard warrior anyway. 😂
The locals have been asking for assistance with this for years.. and were ignored by many levels of Government
I thought the Liberals didn't not run the province of Alberta for years so why blame them ?
You mean the provnicial government who cut the funds?
That isn't true.
Regardless, Parks Canada should have been a better steward, @meekshallinherit3966.
@@synsrfem4428 I seen a video of an MP standing up in parliament and saying it is not a matter if, it is a matter of when Jasper would burn. So you might be wrong, Kind regards.
we used to do forest management now we do wild fires then blame climate change because it makes good press
Never underestimate the ability of bureaucrats and politicians to pass the buck.
they were told in 2017 if they didn't do something about the dead pine trees there was going to be a fire disaster
More than pass the buck. They then capitalize on the tragedy to push their own agendas.
@@rfastkats924 And then residents told the authorities that they were afraid that "controlled" burns to get rid of the trees would get out of control and so they didn't want any controlled burns near the town.
Go figure. Things aren't as cut and dry as people looking to score political points would like them to be. Don't mind the pun.
@ickster23 actually no. There was a giant lightning storm outside of the town that lit up the trees instantly.
Nothing about agendas. Just hownit happened. Hes right.🤷♂️
@@ickster23 That is the real issue here that we must address.
You don't have the money to do it, you don't have the money. 25 years of begging so this means Liberals and Conservatives ignored the issue.
100% Liberals ignored the issue correct.
They give our money to foreign countries and should be sued.
Where's all the money from the carbon tax going? Forests would seem to be a worthy cause.
they surely find the money to support wars in other continents.
remember like 20+ years ago when the pine beetle became a problem in bc and it hadn't made it to alberta yet and their government basically said "It won't come to alberta we have mountains between us and BC" Fast forward 10 years and they didn't understand why the forest was turning brown
There are so many pests and diseases going around that the government doesn't do anything to stop it. Tons of trees here in Ontario are dying and about to.
@@wafflehatjoe420 yep. I remember that
I used to live in Jasper. This is horrible and could have been averted with pro active burns.
Proactive burns and proactive logging and clearing ... government used to do that until they got woke and lazy ... spending our tax dollars on Ukraine money laundering
Those areas are so dry they could easily be burned after a snow cover. Burned areas would start to green up early in spring
Maybe the residents of jasper need to sue parks Canada for their blatant disregard
Most residents in Jasper got seasonal work helping out. You don't even know what you're talking about
@@synsrfem4428They know how to form coherent sentences, unlike you. So just stfu 😂
@@synsrfem4428 maybe you should take your head out of the sand, parks Canada is federal and they not the workers would not allow the removal of dead trees.
All the national parks across the globe or whatever the fuck it is, we’re on here are owned by the United Nations. If you’re going to sue somebody that’s who you’re fucking Sue.
If I lost my home I would start a class action suit
Planned chaos. Government failed Jasper.
Trudeau failed jasp.... no wait... TRUDEAU FAILED EVERYONE LETS BE REAL
They do this same kind of stupid shit here in California. Leave dead trees and brush in huge piles until the local corrupt power company's crappy equipment sparks it all and then blame Carbon for it.
They call it naturalization. It's stupid.
Sorry to hear that and now it's a disaster there too!!
it's because it's dry you dimbwits
Go away merican
Clean it up your self...or pay more taxes
Well the funny thing is the forests normaly burn on average every 60 years. Thats the way it is. Ever wonder why these trees need to be burnt before their seeds can grow
Like you said, Jack pine and lodgepole pine require the heat of fire for their seeds to release and germinate.
This is absolutely right!!! Forest management practices are non existent. Stephen Guilbeault should be held accountable as the minister responsible for Parks Canada!
I don't know what 'wokeism' has to do with bad management or governing. That seems like creating a wedge between people when we should all be united to hold people accountable for this tragedy.
Agree. Making it about us versus them and establishing a blame to a term which encompasses so many things seems to be quite the yellow journalism. This type of thing is actually insidious and a form of corruption.
Because the woke mindset says that we should not interfere with nature. So, managing the forests to benefit humans, aka cutting down deadwood to prevent fires, is wrong.
Wokeism, including climate change religion, is the main reason for poor forestry management.
He's trying to use people's emotions and upset to imply woke environmentalism (like protecting dead trees) is what allowed the fire to get out of control. He also insanely dovetailed that in to fossil fuels... which is sad since most scientific research shows a clear link between carbon emissions, increasing temperature, and volatile weather patters (including fire). Ironically, there is a causal link between oil industry, government, money, and science deniers. Nothing like pushing an agenda during a time of tragedy.
Yep you absolutely nailed it... I am so sick of the blame game.
Agreed. Yellowstone went through something similar and now is in better shape than before.
The only climate that needs to be changed is the political climate. Politicians incompetence and greed is literally endangering the lives of civilians and they should be prosecuted for it.
What does "wokeism" have to do with good old fashioned federal government incompetence?
Engagement farming. And here we are engaging :(
Wokiesm is the problem!!! Feel good crap does not do the jobs that need to be done
DEI - Didn't earn it
Most firms of activism have been lumped in with Woke. Hence the title.
The provincial government are the idiots
I still don't see the connection to wokeism. I see incompetence.
One in the same
The connection is the "Wokies" want it left as wildlife habitat and the Woke governments are afraid to stand up to them.
Read the woke BC NDP governments new forest management strategy, obviously their strategy isn't working. Just let it burn doesn't work in modern day society, imagining that what worked for my forefathers works today is not factual as we now have many pests from God knows where killing trees in our forests and Canada needs to adapt to these pests and diseases. BC/Canada should be managing the forests not using 200 year old practices. In my humble opinion
Driving the Icefeild Parkway three weeks ago, I was shocked by the amount of standing beettle kill I saw, and had to explain what it was to my Girl Friend who had never seen it.
The scale of this fire was entirely preventable.
And how much money would it cost to hire fallers and loggers to cut down these hundreds of thousands of hectares of dead, commercially unviable trees? Even if the skilled labour existed to do that (which it doesn't), the cost of the labour would be beyond what anyone would be willing to pay.
LIve trees burn in a forest fire just as easily as dead trees. In fact, living pine needles burn really, really well.
@@jeffreypozin3749 Would the cost of labour be more than the cost of damages done by fire?
@@jeffreypozin3749 and how much money has it cost the government and the people of jasper now that it as been burnt down? I think you'll find it is much more than the cost of preventive action would've been. if you only do things that are immediately profitable instead of looking at the long term this is what happens. Greed kills
Do you suppose those beetles have something to do with climate change just like the spread of ticks?
I missed the part about why "Wokeism" had anything to do with this.
They throw that click bait word in to attract the mindless morons... works well as we can see here! The fire was caused by drying forests and pushed on my record temperatures... pretty much what science has predicted.... The Sun is a haven for some odd folks indeed. Odd, and poorly informed.
I suspect it really comes down to incompetence and not wanting to spend the money on maintaining the forests. However, the woke mindset is such that humans should not interfere with nature for human benefit, and cutting down the deadwood would be for human benefit.
Wokeism, including climate change religion, is the main reason for poor forestry management.
That's because it had nothing to do with it. Man's is just insane and wants to blame leftists for any issue conservatives create
I think he's alluding that they left the dead trees so when the forest burned down, they could push their woke agenda (blame it on Climate Change and not forest management).
Working in the Alberta logging industry, I was witness to the fact that the massive rise in pine beetles was also due to climate change. Pine beetle larvae die off in cold enough winters, but the winters over the past several decades have been warm enough to allow for massive breeding events with ridiculous numbers of surviving larvae year over year. This results in more dead wood due to pine beetle numbers rising and feeding, and an increase in fire risk due to the dead wood yes. But to say that climate change has nothing to do with the fires is preposterous, uninformed, and a sign of personal bias. We are just BEGINNING to see the effects on long term climate change (such as the rise of the pine beetle numbers)…and yes we all (including Parks Canada) have a responsibility to act in response to rapid changes in climate, resulting in some foreseen and unforeseen consequences. Policy needs to address what it can, but policy makers are slow to respond…case in point the pine beetle phenomenon and its aftermath.
That does NOT translate into “wokeism caused the fires” … we’re all responsible, whether you want to take responsibility for it or not. We’re living with the consequences right now. The question is what are we going to do about it now? Put our heads in the sand and pretend climate change is a ‘wokeism fantasy’ or start taking this seriously.
Give voters a slogan like “wokeism”, and they will vote down governments that are making an effort to reduce the causes of climate change.
The forest fires in BC, AB, (and QC, NB, ON last year) are just the beginning. 85% of the peach crop in Okanagan lost this year, and most of the trees are dead.
Stop pointing fingers. It is going to get a lot worse, and then really, really bad.
Came here to say the same thing.
Finally, one sane comment here! Whether it is pine beatles or drought, there is more dead fall. There seems to be a whole lot of "jaw flapping" here..... No one, NO ONE, has mentioned the economics of the situation. True, we need to be proactive, but the question is how to pay for it. Yup, I get it, Jasper is damaged, homes and businesses lost. Do you want mowed lawns or health care? Forest floors cleaned or social security? Yes, we need a solution, but wokeness isn't the issue here. Easy here to blame Parks Canada or the Feds!! I live in BC. The forest lands are all managed by big business. No one would believe the crap left behind after a clear cut. We live in fear that the next fire will take our town. Our roof is sprinklered, our lot is xeroscaped and aour grab and go kits are at the ready. GET REAL!!
Well said @Noreseman00!
Pine beetles came through international shipping, stop spreading false information. Even if you weren't, where is the firesmarting and why is't carbon tax or even taxation in general financing it?
In Ontario I see lots of dead ash standing in Eastern Ontario. Only Residential trees are being removed! We need to get forestry companies in to remove this.
Am I the only one who doesn't see the connection between leaving dead trees and wokeness? Isnt it enviormental activists who usually advocate for cleaning forests so this stuff doesnt happen.
right?? imo the "woke" answer would have been turning forestry over to Indigenous Peoples to manage.
It's the opposite. Enviro cultists don't want anything done to clear out dead kill. They want to keep the forests "natural"
Yes, absolutely. I went to school for environmental management, and we had to fight for forest management strategies such as brush clearing and controlled burns. In reality, it's often the conservative government that resists new forest management practices the most (I am neither left nor right wing, btw).
No they don't because they don't want to disturb nature.
This folks are trying to bring in the stupid ass US politics into Canada.. Freaking move there already..
The pine beetle devastation can be seen all over BC and it's horrible. Climate change has played a role in allowing the beetle to expand in numbers and regions because of shorter winters but anyone with eyes can see that the huge stands of kindling were going to be a problem so the government is definitely to blame.
Fire suppression for the last century has played a bigger role in the pine beetle infestation.
Although I agree that the parks board have been remiss in management,particularily of the pine beetle problem,using the Politically charged term WOKE isn't helpful. This is just a talking head,with a political view.Note no solution proposed!
The reason there were so many dead trees was due to the pine beetle, which in itself is due to climate change (winters no longer cold enough to kill the beetle) so I am not sure I understand the argument here.
This is all about climate change and is detailed in this editorial. The reason why the forests are easily set ablaze is because of the Mountain Pine Beetle, like this author claims. But the pine beetle is native to North America and has been around for centuries. It would make its way over the mountains from BC and then infect the prairie forests. When winter came, a couple of nights of minus 40 would kill off the pine beetle, This is why it was never an issue until the winter climate warmed on the Northern prairie forests. The beetles were able to survive the winters and have become an epidemic. That is why the forests are burning!
i guess the beetles are gonna be a real menace once Earth is no longer in an ice age then huh
It's been -40 this year shut up go spray some orange stuff like a woke ❄️ 😂😂
I don't see how Parks Canada's incompetency had anything to do with "wokeism", that attribution makes no sense at all and just leaves people puzzled. This commentator makes some important and valid points, it would have been more effective to simply call out Parks Canada for being incompetent rather than wrongly use a buzzword.
True. Going to Jasper for years. Nothing but dry sticks everywhere! Parks Canada sucks
Climate change is drying the sticks faster than we can pick them up...Drought and high temperatures cause wildfires - NOT wokeism
Banff is the same
Are you okay with spending billions on remediation for pine beatle damage? There are billions of dead trees over hundreds of thousands of sq. Km. It will take decades and billions of $.
That's actually climate change. The evidence is all around us.
@DavidAllison-qs8wn the government has no issue using our tax dollars and sending it all to Ukraine when some of the money could've went towards clearing out these trees. Money isn't the issue it's the braindead government who doesn't know how to use it correctly.
What created the conditions for warmer winters that no longer kill the beetles?
And I'm sure if Parks Canada asked for billions of dollars to thin out millions of hectares of forest you would have been right on board...
Good grief, it's hotter than hadies all over the planet . Year after year new record are being set. Towns are now routinely burning to the ground by fires that have new behaviours. People are moving because they can't handle the stress. It's a new reality.
that's really not true, it's pretty hot but we're canadian so anything above 15c is pretty much hell on earth
cali summers go up to like 80 celsius and all of their recent "wildfires" have been man-made, we haven't hit half of that and most of OUR recent wildfires have been man-made too
just another ploy to introduce a dumb tax (again) for something completely made up (again) by the trudeau goons
The reality is society is unable to mitigate damage because it is not politically correct to do so.
Don't disturb mother nature. She will (and did) do just that.
The Oldman River Valley cutting through Lethbridge is FULL of deadfall,years of wild grass buildup and vegetative remnants of floods,along with dead cottonwoods.This is just before the transition to grasses on the Coulees. Pathways cut through these areas .
I learned through a Coulee Center employee that it can not be cleaned out to mitigate the chance of a fire that rages out of control because it is a "natural area"....Also mentioned was firefighting would commence if the fire was started by "other than nature".If nature started the fire,it would be allowed to burn.Who,and when would the course of action be determined based on the ignition source??
If something starts in that valley it will be catastrophic.
Blame it on a complete disconnect between concerned citizens, environmentalists,municipal and provincial governments.Who will make that decision? Who will pay for that disconnect ?
Those that stand in the way of the flames racing out of the valley !
Am I missing something? I listened to the entire video, but nowhere did I hear an explanation of how inaction on the part of Parks Canada had anything to do with "wokeism".
Yeah man's is just triggered that conservatives ignoring climate change lead directly to this
Nice try wokie
The current government is entirely driven by woke ideological pandering and zero regard for the economy or sense.
Thank you for saying this! I'm from Northern Alberta. It's been dry, to much dead fall, perfect for fires.
This is the exact type of opinion I'd expect from the Toronto Sun, which is essentially owned by Anthony Melchiorre who is aligned with radical Republicans
You know it's true when BIG BROTHER puts a climate change warning from the united nations! WE LOVE BIG BROTHER! WE LOVE BIG BROTHER!
Forest management or lack of it has nothing to do with "wokeism". Do you even have an idea what "woke" means?
What does it mean?
@@jaimelynn6701 As you seem unable to use google or read: ": aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"
- Merriam Webster
Of course, like most conservatives, you just keep using the word to describe things you don't like. Your ignorance will be everybody else's education.
@@WallaceHumperdink 🤣🤣🤣
@@sommmeguywords migrate in semantics. Example: Being gay used to only mean being happy.
@@sommmeguy go touch grass freak
nice to see the toronto sun is sticking to it's lack of requiring an article to be factual and not a propaganda piece.
There is a video from a few years ago where the MP for the Jasper area, the park is a National Park by the way, and in the HoC the MP told the Environment Minister, Catherine McKenna, all about the pine beetle devastation and the need to clean out the dead standing and grounded trees as they represented a huge fire danger. She said she would work with the MP for Jasper to solve the problem. Looks like the government didn’t do anything, or didn’t do enough. Did they prevent the dead standing and grounded trees from being removed?
I'm dead against fucking with nature in national parks. we do it everywhere else in the country. let's leave some places untouched. forest fires be damned.
@@ragnaraxelson59We already "fuck with nature" by not allowing low intensity fires to occur. Hence the mega fires we see now. My community was wiped out by a mega fire in 2021. Soil analysis in my area shows a low intensity fire every 7-10 years up until 1920. That's when the province started "managing" the forest. With no fire between 1920 and 2021, the fuel load one tree spacing made a mega fire inevitable. The fire was so intense that no seeds survived and the soil was sterilized.
While I'm against climate change propoganda and especially against the carbon tax I can't also not point out the fact the pine beetles generally can't migrate to forests that have long periods of very cold weather. So if we had some warm winters that could be attributed to unusual warm weather as being the cause of the infestation in the first place. I might also point out that around where I live in BC most of the forests were burnt down completely by mining prospectors in the early 1900. All of the forests here are young and in transition. A lot of the softer fast growing trees like birch have been out competed and are dead. Hence more fires. That couple with unusually warm summers and dry lightning has been causing a lot of fires this year. Most of southern BC has been clear cut. Just look at satalite pictures. and a lot of the moisture that was once in the landscape is going away. The real issue is the current logging industry and old time mining practices.
He's 100% correct. These forests are cycled in a large degree by fire. Ignoring common sense forest practices aided the intensity for sure. Get ready for much more of this in unmanaged forests in the future.
Not if this tyrannical government is overthrown next year!!!!
How is he correct? This is basic forest management practice. How exactly is that woke?
Yeah it's almost like this has been made worse by climate change and the constant dry and hot weather we're stuck in. Largely due to dumbass conservatives like this sticking their heads in the sand to try to blame anyone else for an issue they've caused
@@Blynx1991 Depends on how you define "Woke', its not a Professional term I use. But the fact that authorities ignored warnings to sufficiently manage the fuel there for 'environmental' reasons defies common sense and is NOT basic forest management.
@@Blynx1991 The current government is entirely driven by woke ideological pandering and zero regard for the economy or sense.
I've worked in Northern Alberta doing Mountain Pine Beetle survey and control for a decade. The program (funded by the Alberta government - but funding reduced in recent years) was/is incredibly helpful in mitigating the spread of MPB and preventing the fires they may inevitably produce. That said, the control only removes the green/live infested pine trees, not any of the red/dead standing trees, still leaving them more vulnerable to fire.
Each year I drove through Jasper, and each year I witness more and more pine trees either red or dead, until eventually that was all I'd seen, because Parks Canada does not perform MPB control, which may have prevented this. For what reason, or to what end they didn't do control? Not clear...
... But wokeism?! What clickbate tripe for a title! What does the wildfire have to do with this? What "woke" agenda was Parks Canada going for here? Are you upset Canada doesn't allow clear cut logging in it's National Parks?
You've made no meaningful point to support your claim. Oh, it's because the Libs are currently in power, maybe? This has been a known problem for decades (as you've mentioned), but you might need reminding that 9 years were under Conservative leadership, 4 of which were a majority government. Why did the "non-woke" Harper government do nothing? Surely they weren't influenced by these left-wing extremist environmentalists, because they made certain to silence their voices and defunded most of their work.
Mountain Pine Beetle is specifically a climate change issue, they would not have extended as far north as they now do were it not for rising average temperatures.
Maybe this is just government neglect and incompetence, as we have been seeing since the beginning of civilisation regardless of anyone's social or political ideology. Both the Libs and the Cons had many opportunities to do something, but did not.
Could you also please point which of the other 122 wildfires currently burning throughout Canada are also woke so I know who to be irrationally angry towards?
Stop crying about electric cars and winds turbines, and stop politicizing a bug. Maybe do some journalism.
Really. This guy is wrong. The infestation has been going on for 50 years. Its more complicated.
He's smiling and rubbing his hands in glee because this is his chance to show how "wrong" ennvironentalists, scientists, and anyone else who would dare believe climate change has anything to do with it.
If he had his way he would ban electric vehicles and demand that everyone use petroleum.
Just another asshole.
For people wondering where the wokeness comes in, It's the underlying assumption that people are the planets biggest problem and we must let "nature" take care of itself. The reality is that people are made to steward and care for the earth taking account of imbalance in creation and carefully correcting it.
You seem a little touchy about the subject. No doubt the pine beetle killed the trees but what caused the beetle infestation? also who was supposed to pay to remove and replant the forest?
Looks like climate change and Mother Nature took care of that but not in a good way.
The infestation was actually a BC NDP government refusal to spray in northern BC when the beetle was first present. The other problem was only one logging company in Central BC willing to log the infected trees and the problem acerbated throughout the province and into Alberta.
Putting out every single forest fire and not doing prescribed burns is what caused it.
@@rfruss acerbated
Yikes.
climate change has nothing to do with poor forest management.
@@scottthompson3493 but they have been doing prescribed burns for the past 25 years...the mayor of Jasper literally just gave Parks Canada credit for doing it.
This makes me wonder how much money Parks Canada was given for fire mitigation. It's easy to point the finger and spout "wokeism" but when a dollar is needed and a nickel given that doesn't help to stop forest fires.
Mr. Gunter begins the cause-effect analysis beginning at the government management of pine beetles.
I remind the readers to consider what was the cause of the pine beetles in the first place? Also remember that cold winters are the scientific reality of what normally kills-off the beetles over winter. Consider the possibility that climate change resulted in warmer winters not only in Jasper but through much of B.C. too.
They would never admit that, unfortunately. Why use science which can potentially reveals some flaws in local politicians when you can easily sway people's during their time of sorrow using big words and look like you are angered by others who are not even around to defend themselves like in a proper debate ?
Fair point
This should be the top comment.
@@k.c.sunshine1934 The reason pine beetles have spread is primarily due to the poor health of our forests due to lack of fire resulting in our forests being choked out by too much undergrowth and tree density. I literally just have to walk out 100 feet from my back door to see stunted unhealthy trees and dense fuel loads resulting from over effective fire mismanagement. Healthy properly spaced trees can withstand the effects of insect attacks but not when they are stressed.
@@waynemanning3262 where did you get your Ph.D?
Are you sure it wasn't Smith cutting back the firefighters and preparedness? Just a thought.
I thought I was kidding when I was speaking with my friend who evacuated, and I said: "Watch, somehow the anti-woke mob is going to find someway to blame this on woke-ism".
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. If this was 1914 you would have blamed this on the Ukrainians; in the 1940s you would have blamed this on the Japanese; and in the 1950's you would have blamed it on communists. Moral panics are so predictable, it's honestly pathetic that so many Canadians fall for this shit. How can you not see the pattern?
Human nature I'm afraid!
Once again, the Sun showing it is the publication that can not and should not be taken seriously
Camped at jasper's federal campground a few years ago,, they wouldn't even cut the grass, if it weren't for the presents of other campers you would have thought it was abandoned
We camped in Jasper last summer and our campsite was only new and small trees and shrubs because they had cleared out pine beetle damaged trees.
It was nice of the other campers to give you presents.
@@Argellus😂
Damn that's crazy just shows how lazy Parks Canada is, can't expect much from government employees 😂
Because the new WOKE way is to leave the grass long for all the little critters and bugs.
I am not an expert, but have lived in and spent a portion of my life in and around Jasper and have learned a bit about the area over time. The pine beetle problem in Western Canadian coniferous forests is on a scale that is not manageable by clearing deadfall. It stretches for hundreds of km's, through the eastern and western slopes. Jasper had set up a fire "moat" around parts of the town, and had proceeded with tree thinning in many areas close to town. You have to keep in mind that the area lives off of tourism, so having a stretch of scarred landscape, carved through the area, is very undesirable from a tourism standpoint. However, the three major campgrounds south of the town site had all been closed and thinned out periodically for the last 5-6 years. Having said all this, it really was only a matter of time that a major fire could affect the town, but the reasons for this goes back to the inception of National Parks in Canada and the US and their respective fire suppression mandates. For decades, any and all fires were extinguished throughout these parks, creating an unnatural and eventually fire prone forest landscape. Jasper started up it's FireSmart program around 25 years ago, I believe, and was one of the pioneers in this aspect. The bottom line is this, fires are a natural part of the natural world. I am sure there will be lessons learned from these fires in how to better prepare and protect in the future, but I do not believe "Wokeism" as a cause will be one of them.
They can make it rain, but they don’t put out the fires.🔥 But they likely want to get their 15 minute cities up.
Forrests need fires to clean out the underbrush and get rid of old trees. Many tree seeds need heat from fires to start growing. Denying nature from doing what it needs to do results in lots of dry stuff that can go up in a heartbeat. Noting to do with pollution.
To be fair, is it even possible to clear "10s of thousands of hectares" of dead trees off the land? Serious question.
It usually means that controlled burns need to be conducted, and that's not so compatible with recreational and tourism uses of the Park. Considering the fuel load, controlled burns are almost always at risk of getting "out of control" quickly.
@@chrisgilbert9076 Got cha. Thanks.
We try to imitate forest fires through logging and gain financial benefit doing so. Forest companies in Alberta have to have logging management plans which revolve around a 40-50 year cycle. Typically large fires do not happen in younger forests. The greens and many people see the clear cut and lose their nut not realizing or wanting to understand that it is part of a plan to mange the forest. There are many different ways to manage the logging and clear cuts are not always the best.
Its way more complicated than just ridding the land of dead wood.
A forest cannot be manicured like a damn lawn.People that think so are ill informed or just making assumptions.
@@ramrod9556is it managing the forest when they spray the deciduous trees too kill them so they can plant bigger plantations on conifers is it forest management to leave massive slash piles sitting for years in clear cuts. Buddy logging companies rape our forests they don’t simulate burns what fucking forest fire completely removes a tree entirely.
They learned NOT from our Alberta fires from last year!.. ABSOLUTE NEGLIGENCE!
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So. 🤷♀️. Explain. Your words mean nothing if there’s no explanation as to how this is connected to the fires.
Shouldn't the people who lost their property and homes, be filing a claim against Parks Canada's Insurance company for the damages to their homes and property?
And not making a claim to their own insurance companies???
It would be no different than if I poorly managed a tree on my property and it fell onto my neighbor's home destroying some of it. I am now liable!
FACT - Alberta had one of the BEST wildfire programs in the world until 2019.
Despite MULTIPLE warnings, UCP cut MILLIONS from firefighting programs. We’re now seeing the consequences
MAJOR UCP wildfire cuts:
The UCP Eliminated the 63-man Aerial Rapattack Team
The UCP killed 30 of Alberta’s 127 Wildfire Lookout Towers
The UCP cut the Air Tanker Program by 13%
The UCP cut rural firefighter training in 2020.
The UCP made cuts to the Alberta Wildfire Branch in 2021 eliminating Wildfire Rangers & Info Officers
The UCP made 10% more cuts in 2022! This impacted wildfire personnel, resulting in later contractual start dates and earlier end dates
Alberta became short staffed in key roles
Don't be stupid! No single reason can lead to this kind of mess. It's all of the above, while each side would only solve one of them!
Day 378 of "woke" being a meaningless term used by political actors to stir up division.
Kind of like " far right" " maga" " misinformation and disinformation".....
The current government is entirely driven by woke ideological pandering and zero regard for the economy or sense.
yep 👍 we know the real cause is Parks Canada 🇨🇦 and their negligence
So where's the woke part?
there isn't one. Dude is a nutcase.
Wokeism, including climate change religion, is the main reason for poor forestry management.
There isn't one, dude is just insane and refusing to take the blame for the situation conservatives have created
The lack of huskies roaring in the forest.
The current government is entirely driven by woke ideological pandering and zero regard for the economy or sense.
someone needs to go to Jailfor this
So, would Lorne Gunter support a substantial funding increase for Parks Canada so they can adequately maintain the *340,000 square kilometers of land* they currently have to somehow manage with a $1.3B budget?
The carbon taxes collected by the federal government should be going to fund this type of activity.
Now you are just adding fuel to their incompetence. They had plenty of money but refused to spend it on futile woke agendas.
But spent it on futile woke agendas. Rather.
Fund it with the returns of wood fibre sales used in forest management.
The Federal government has managed to spend LOTS of money on unnecessary stuff like the arrive scam app, or the $2+billion green slush fund, or what about the infrastructure slush fund, or an unnecessary pharmacare/childcare/dental care programs that no one can access, but makes harder for private businesses to function... There are many many areas we could easily redirect funds from.
This explains why we didn't see water bombers in Jasper
Ever seen a forest fire go through a pine forest? A green pine forest? I was in Kelowna when the fires raged through and there was not a beetle killed pine tree in sight. Flames 300 meters in the air. The Jasper fire had to start before it would burn like that. It is climate change that has changed the conditions of the forest that has lead to massive fires like this. More fires than ever before all across the west. They are not because of dead pine trees. They are because of unbelievably dry forests. Forest fires don't care if the tree is dead or alive. Once it gets into the tops of a fir or pine tree all hell breaks loose. It will spread much faster through a dry green forest than a dead pine tree forest. There is less to burn in a dead forest. There are no needles up top to burn. Just more climate deniar nonsense.
They have said for a long time that Jasper's burning was just waiting to happen given all those dead trees around the town and humans preventing fires from ever happening in the area. But you have to admit humans pumping hundreds of millions of cubic meters of pollutants and toxins every day into the air doesn't exactly help either. Not saying we should all go buy Electric Vehicles or stop using gasoline/oil products, but you have to agree that the practice of pumping pollutants into the atmosphere does have an effect on the environment we live in.
And why do you think there are so many pine beetles in Alberta all of a sudden? That damn woke thermometer!
Folks, don’t underestimate the effect of “wokeism” on our provincial parks. For years, I have been taking my family to Pinery Provincial Park. Controlled burns used to be the norm…not any more. Went there last week and the park was more Amazon Jungle than anything I have ever seen. Saw workers in trucks and others doing useless jobs, barely exerting themselves. Let’s not forget that these are highly paid positions. In addition, the roads in the park were in disrepair (cyclists beware) and the beach was littered with debris. My wife and I won’t be returning anytime soon. Ontario Government take note. You can do better!
Dayum, never thought I'd hear wokeism and wildfires go together.
Try to think deeper. Wokeism, including climate change religion, is the main reason for poor forestry management.
"Wokeism and Wildfires" is a great name
IDK what for but it's a great name nonetheless
ok. This debate comes up every year when the forest fires start up ...Clearing the brush as this gentleman is suggesting is only a temporary fix but long grass takes over the cleared area and is actually more flammable. Can we please stop these debates every year. unfortunately forest fires have been around before we were on this planet and will continue to burn when we leave it. The bottom line is if you choose to build towns in the middle of heavily wooded areas this is unfortunately the risk associated with it.
Sense!
I spoke with some higher up forestry officers who made it clear that forestry management practices and underfunding by the government leads to out-of-control fires not climate change...
Can’t do controlled burns with it being this hot and dry. All it takes is one ember to get caught in the wind and you’ve lost control of the fire.
Too little too late
And all that money that went to corrupt Ukraine could of been used here in Canada, tell Zelensky to give back that money
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Get off your campaign of which you have no knowledge!
If those claims are true with regard to the warning signs and lack of due diligence I think the towns people have a good class action lawsuit against Parks Canada. Accountability is greatly required here.
_"Many_ _research_ _efforts_ _show_ _that_ _we_ _are_ _seeing_ _more_ _fires_ _as_ _we_ _warm_ _due_ _to_ _anthropogenic_ _climate_ _change"_
- Mike Flannigan, Emergency Management & Wildland Fire Science
Thompson Rivers University
University of Alberta
Canadian Partnership for Wildland Fire Science
Higher winter temperatures brought on by climate change has allowed pine beetle infestations to kill a massive number of trees right across BC and Alberta - both inside and outside of parks.
Exactly Lorne as a former Forestry and Parks and Recreation Techniciian and 35 1/2 yrs as a Municipal arborist/ Investigator I concur with your analysis
As a municipal arborist/investigator, can you share with everyone how much money and time it would take to thin out "tens of thousands of hectares" of commercially worthless coniferous forest?
@@chandlered with mechanical harvesters, like they use when harvesting live trees for pulp wood, feller butchers a tree can be stripped of branches and felled in about 3 minutes, and as they are dead and or diseased could be shredded, or hauled out by logging trucks for disposal. It would have taken 2 or 3 yrs . In a rotational cycle as if they were harvesting live trees, the govt had that time, but didn't do it due to cut backs in forestry funding. As the trees were dead they were not salvageable for pulp wood by the pulp wood industry. It was a ticking time bomb waiting to go off.
Just what i thought. The upper ups are the problem. A joke as Canadians we talk and do nothing. Time to force government to take action now. Not just B.C. and Alberta but where ever there is concern through all of CANADA . COME ON PEOPLE
It's not woke environmentalism, it's 10 record setting hot summers in a row. The forest has never been drier. Parks Canada can't do anything about that.
Wrong, wrong! I live in Alberta. I love summer. We have a few hot days over the course of a summer ... but nothing more than what I experienced as a kid growing up in Saskatchewan (right next door) in the 50"s, 60's and 70's.
No but they could have done controlled burns for the dry dead( due to beetles killing them) trees so it would not have escalated this way.
Ok can we stop making this a left or right thing? It’s so devaluing of what Jasper residents are going through. Neglect of forests COMBINED with climate change can both be part of the problem. See political journalism doesn’t want you to know this but there’s this handy dandy thing called ✨nuance✨and we need to be taking care of all our people and all of our environment
As soon as you said woke environmentalism I checked out
And yet....here you are!
The current government is entirely driven by woke ideological pandering and zero regard for the economy or sense.
Indigenous people warned about this, the Parks Canada ignored our Indigenous Canadian People.
What exactly are your qualifications?
Thanks for further exposing the incompetence of the current Federal Govt. It seems that every branch of the liberal Government is useless and would rather see chaos and turmoil for Canadians than to do anything significant to help.
Carbon Tax seems to be working just fine
He is referring to bad forest management. This is not the same thing as "wokeism" which is about respect for others. Also, climate change does NOT cause fires - it creates hotter and drier conditions that contribute to mega fires. Bad forest management is another contributing factor. As is urban sprawl. This is not an all or nothing thing. And still climate change is real and it is a factor.
I totally agree Lorne, but listen to what the mayor of Jasper said when he stated” The federal, provincial and municipal governments did all they could have done to prevent this, it was just Mother Nature.”
He said this at a news conference with the Federal Minister and Premier present!
Woke mayor of Jasper
Not only woke mayor a scared shitless mayor being threatened to say what they want him to say or they cut the federal funding for recovery & help rebuild the community,it’s always the underlying things that determine how things play out
@@cindy-mq6pl agreed
Funny how the mayor of that town doesn't know it's a federal jurisdiction.
keeping in mind that over 25 years ago the conservatives didn't do anything either.... so blaming this on the the liberals is simply politicking... just picking out the bad things for political gain hat a wiener!
Arson!
... did you not watch the video? Dry, unmaintained forests. The _number_ of fires isn't that much higher than it used to be, but they're much larger on average now than they were ten years ago.
Yah there was probably some arson involved but even then its on parks canada to clear all the dead bush i live an hour away and when ever I pass through all the trees are red and dead from pin beetles
@@Alex-js5lg ok? But it's not climate change
My daughter works in Forestry planting trees and surveying and the issue with the pine Beatle is true and they didn’t take out the dead wood. The companies were warning the government as stated
The forest industry is a necessity for our environment We need trees for oxygen and wildlife protection
This is 1000% true! No one wants to talk about how they wouldn't log the dead trees!
True that not cutting trees is "woke-ism"? How so? Did the government decline to remove the dead trees because they identify as non-binary or something? The claim that not thinning out the dead trees enabled the fire to spread really fast seems compelling, but how does that prove that it's got nothing to do with climate change or that climate change isn't real? I missed the argumentation and evidence on that point. Those claims sure make the commentator sounds stupid!
Except it's not true at all, man's is just literally insane and trying to find any way to pass the blame onto other people
Is this guy for real? Has he even been to Jasper? Drive up the road to Pyramid lake and look at the fire break!!!! Look at the 3 campgrounds and ALL the trees that have been cleared. The winds were 100 km/hr, nothing can stop a fire driven that WIND! The wind is what caused the devastation, this fire also created its own weather, which exasperated the situation!