I love putting complex sounds into the genopatcher. Not for the sake of recreating them, but because there is almost always a branch or 10 of something really novel and amazing that results.
Synplant is ridiculously overpriced for what it is, but it's not overrated at all. The genopatch thing is fantastic, but it's not going to be long before it's surpassed by other software. The strength will never be copying sounds, thats pointless. The strength is in making variations.
Have you ever put a single piano note into sampler? The further you move away from the original note, it sounds inauthentic and corny. It's the equivalent to physically changing the size of the piano as opposed to hitting different sized strings. Genopatch is not pointless and it's not copying a sound like a sampler ... as explained in the video.
@@gutterg0d That doesn't change the fact that " The strength will never be copying sounds" is an erroneous statement, just because this app is not good at it. As this video explained. a synthesized piano sample that actually sounds real has plenty of benefits, even if we're not there yet. Generating variations of a sound from an original sound is relatively easy and common.
I bought this and its now my go to. Planning on making songs like I used to 15yrs ago only with this. I understand the parameters and know what to change to have the patch sound the way I want. Hi hats and kicks are excellent, recreating chords obviously dont work because there are only 2 oscillators, but planting new seeds, going down a rabbit hole of sound is something much desired on my end
@@m.richards6947 are you using the cracked version floating around? Idk, I hear people complaining about CPU usage and stuff. My M1 is perfectly fine running this so it must be a PC issue.. If you click and drag the branch out it morphs the original sound in random ways and then you can right click and plant that seed to map that new sound to the keyboard
Dude, good show on explaining what overrated means because people will instantly think you're saying it's shit. It's shame that you have to put a disclaimer first, but this is the world we live in where people instantly take things to heart. Also, a very good video. You had me cracking up with yelling random words! Liked, and subscribed!
I can't wait for people to put a basic kick snare and hat in this, put the results in a sample pack, and sell it for hundreds of dollars to poor beginners who dont know better
How would you know the difference? People throw out the same sounds with very little variation in sample packs already, this won't make any kind of difference.
I haven't seen many saying Synplant 2 is the greatest, but it is one of the first to use intelligent AI to do things that will probably be considered stepping stones to more advance things AI will do in the future when it can do them from scratch instead of being fed a sample to analyze... The greatest plug-in ever created hasn't ever been created and in my opinion will NEVER be created because there will always be something better. Synplant has always been unlike any other plug-in and is in that enviable position today. NOBODY else has a an instrument with the capabilities of Synplant 1 or 2 where every note in a scale can be a completely different synthesized sound - the programming hurdles they've crossed to provide the cool interface that works like it does is pure genius. I can't wait to see what THEIR accomplishments lead to for future plug-ins.
"NOBODY else has a an instrument with the capabilities of Synplant 1 or 2 where every note in a scale can be a completely different synthesized sound" this can be achieved in many synth, not always easily, but it can be achieved in Vital for example, and off the top of my head I can't recall which other synths are capable of this, as it's not the easiest feature. It is easier to achieve in synplant, but I can also imagine other methods of accomplishing this specific goal
@@DataBroth - You are correct my friend, even my own Unify Plug-In can be set to where different notes are each completely different plug-ins even. However NOBODY has this ability from a single interface object with only dragging on each of the plant branches to accomplish this in a single plug-in in seconds. I probably should have been more specific in my first reply...
That’s just an illusion. The “something better” is always some gimmick and they never last. The tried and true basic synth techniques and controls will still be used and nobody listening will know which synth instrument the sound came from. So this “plant” is hardly a game changer.
this is a pioneering synth. Others will copy this and fail, while this will keep getting better and better. Because of this, right now yes it might be the greatest in the way of being its own kind. Everything else either tries to be like serum or recreated hardware. Its like a once in a decade synth
@@PlugInGuruVideo yeah, there's not really any simpler solutions out there, though I must say I'm not quite a fan of the branch system either. For me personally, using a bitwig device(or Unify), where I can simply load an entire plugin to each note within an octave is faster and more intuitive. Albeit you lose the ability to save within a single preset
The Genopatch AI thing is genius, and very well executed imo. But it can only do what the synth engine is capable of, and tbh, as of 2023, its very basic and unfortunately struggles with anything more advanced because it lacks any advanced features itself. But then again, running this AI on any advanced synth like Serum, it would probably take 1000x longer ( or even more), because there are that many more combinations of knobs you can turn (not even talking about custom modulation shapes). In short : It would burn our CPU even more
There's only two oscillators so it cant recreate chords or complex pads and sounds with a bunch of processing. I read somewhere it would take days for the dev to recreate sounds when he first came up with it a decade ago. I'm hoping this becomes more refined and a third oscillator can be added without it taking longer.... I think there is a lot going on behind the engine that isn't known or noticeable, which makes it seem its "very basic"
I'm quite suspicious what AI is being used if any. The fact that it is running on the CPU instead of GPU sounds like it is simply brute forcing some method of finding a match. I expect when the companies with large resources get into this they will be able to invest into substantial AI model training that will be significantly more effective.
@@dakara4877 It's very likely not the kind of AI you're thinking of. The recent generative model boom has made one particular form of AI (machine learning via neural networks) pretty much synonymous with the term but that's only scratching the surface of the field. Not all forms benefit from GPU acceleration.
Something really worth trying is putting in acoustic samples and acoustic drum samples. It can do a surprisingly good job of making synth drums that have a similar timbre to samples of acoustic drums
I haven't had the opportunity to play around with it yet, so perhaps the functionality already exists and I'm just not aware. But I think it would be cool if there was a slider in the Genopatch UI that lets you adjust how closely it tries to mimic the provided sample, as well as the ability to "lock" any of the resulting patches that you happen to like. That way you could do an initial pass with the slider maxed out to get some patches that closely resemble the sample, then you save those and do another pass after adjusting the slider so Genopatch generates new patches that are more out there, but without replacing the initial patches you liked.
So the best you can do from what I’ve messed with is any genopatch patch you choose it’ll automatically be named and you can just quickly save it as a preset for later use. Not sure if it’s explained in the video I’m only like a minute in
What slider? The process is automatic. Each lane in the genopatch is automatic and uses a slightly different approach to replicating the sample. You can click on the little "i" button in the sample window and it shows you how close the patch is to the sample. The further the "error" readout is from 0 the closer it is to the original sample. Every time you click on a node it becomes the active patch. So you can just save that. But you can further refine it by clicking a patch and making it active and then alt clicking on one of the genopatch lanes to use that as the starting point for generating a patch. It still uses the loaded sample as the goal. One thing to note is that once any patch is generated the sample is not needed anymore.
Yooo, Synplant is outstanding in the sense that it does something no other synth does (Genopatch) and plus it's ill for coming up with original complex voices in seconds. Means I can work backwards and undo little automations I don't want instead of spending a year heaping parameters on top of each other. It's schooling me on some of the finer points of sound design that I hadn't considered yet. In short, it's a work of art with rigorous science under the hood. The way you can roll seamlessly from one wave to the next sounds wild if you bust an LFO on it. I could go on. I won't. :)
@@Weaverbeats i think it deserves its price. the genopatch feature is not the only unique one. the entire synth is an innovation, even though the concept is old already. in other words: i was already about to buy synplant before v2 dropped, but with the genopatch feature it became a nobrainer decision to me
@@Beatsbasteln If I spend $100+ on something it won't be this synth. Something like pigments or phase plant is way better value. because I don't think the novelties in Synplant is going to last very long. But I'm assuming this will be discounted sooner or later, and depending on how things look I might jump on it at 50% off.
I completely agree regarding the CPU issue. I attempted to use Genopatch technology, and it placed a significant strain on my CPU, to the point where even my cursor began to lag. I hope they address this in the future.
Harmor can resynthesize any sound and do so perfectly or nearly perfectly, but that's using additive synthesis. Doing it with "more traditional" synthesis like Synplant 2 is doing here is less impressive in terms of the accuracy of the results, but it's a totally different ball game in terms of how you can go on to manipulate those results. Which is better depends what you're trying to achieve, but for me this is exciting for the purposes of just exploring new sounds, which I feel is the fundamental premise Synplant was conceived from.
@@PHIplaytesting And it has a horrendous UI as well. I've used FL studio forever and barely use their VSTs because of this. UI in their plugins for me is easily their biggest downside. Sure once you learn them it's fine, but the thing is I don't even want to touch most of the stuff, because the learning part is just revolting. Unlike Vital. Unlike Serum. Unlike Diva. Unlike Repro-5.
Some say the price of SYNPLANT 2 is too high, but I don't understand what the problem with that is. I don't think we need to worry about it because we are "buying cheap goods" in our daily lives. SYNPLANT 2" would be a very great buy.
One of my favorite plugins. But its for a very specific composer. Certainly for THE experimental music, there is A VIDEO, of Brian Eno, using it, that should GIVE PEOPLE a good idea. And it CERTAINLY NEEDs a good deal of time to GET AHOLD of taking control to make more "normal sounds'
You can make 'normal sounds' by plonking a sample of a normal sound into the genopatcher and choosing the most normal branches. But why would you want to make normal sounds?
@@made.online2149 ... because you might want a close 'sound-alike' of a 'normal sound' to then further tweak, while still sounding 'normal'. Which is how I tend to use Synplant 2 for most of my music thus far. It's great that you can push it also in random experimental directions. But, whether or not the user choses to, is entirely up to each individual. The idea that you 'have' to get weird with Synplant 2 is an unfair reputation, that is unfortunately putting a lot of potential customers off, from even giving it a chance to prove that misguided reputation wrong.
you're just gonna drop "there is A VIDEO, of Brian Eno, using it, that should GIVE PEOPLE a good idea" without telling me how to find this video huh >.< pls halp
The under the hood synth engine in Synplant 2 is too basic for my taste (it's just a two oscillator synth engine that can do some fm) If it was a four wavetable oscillator and eight operator fm engine combined with multiple lfo's and mod matrix engine, then I would be interested at the current price.
The genopatches end results might not be amazing.comparrd to the original samples, but it is to me amazing that it gets even remotely close at all. Itll only get better with the years
While there is some sense talked in the video, the clickbait slogan “only makes simple sounds” is simply untrue. It is a lie. The genopatch machine learning might (sometimes, not always) not perform so well on some types of complex sounds. But that doesn’t in any way mean that it only _makes_ simple sounds, quite the contrary : it can make extremely complex sounds very very easily. Lying about that ( I say “lying” because when you deliberately say something that you know to be untrue that is the appropriate term) for some clickbait slogan is cheap and, frankly, pretty stupid if you are hoping that people will in any way value your opinion.
Keep in mind that when writing text on a thumbnail you can't write more than four or five words without it being completely ineffective as a readable thumbnail. In my opinion it is not able to recreate quite a few complex sounds, therefore I wrote "only makes simple sounds." I don't view that as a "lie" as much as me simplifying a conclusion to as little words as possible. If there is something more accurate that gets peoples attention and can be said in four words or less, I will gladly replace it. I am open to suggestions. Maybe "Struggles with complex sounds" is better?
@@Weaverbeats Fair enough. My gripe was that while it might well struggle with ACCURATELY RECREATING some complex sounds ( though, in my experience, not all, in fact far from it ) it most certainly is able to MAKE complex, in fact VERY complex, sounds ... they just might not always particularly resemble the sample used as a ‘model’ !!! ... to say the opposite in the only text that someone skimming through videos will see ... strikes me as being very unfair, and also, sorry, very untrue. BUT, OK maybe you just weren’t looking at it that way, so I withdraw the “lie” remark, and what’s more it’s pretty rare for youtubers to change their post in response to a comment, instead of just digging in, so kudos for that matey, appreciated. Best !
Overrated no, overpriced defnitely. I've wanted to buy it for a year (Microtonic and Permut8 too), but I just can't justify the cost. I'll eventually get the latter 2 because they'll enhance my workflow and results enough to justify, but Synplant is more a nice-to-have than a must-have. The fact that they explicitly state they never do sales is also pretty annoying. As a dev I understand wanting to hold the line on your value, but when pretty much every other vendor in the space does some kind of sale or bundle or something, patently refusing to do so just makes you look stuck up, and I hate giving money to people who are stuck up.
People still seem to think that this synth uses resynthesis. It's a a simple FM synth that analyses a sample and attempts to recreate it. Neurosynth baslines? Yeah it's obviously gonna fail at that. If you're looking for actual resynthesis with a closer fidelity to the original sound, then Icarus (1 and 2) and Harmor are still your best bet. I'm probably gonna get Synplant 2 , if it's as capable of creating tuned percussion with a West Coat/Buchla type feel. Which I think maybe one of it's strengths judging from the basic synthesis engine.
If the sample is a synth and you attempt to recreate it identically, it's as close to resynthesizing as we'll get. I get that for true resynthesizing you'd have to "decode" the sound into it's original parts somehow, but that's not going to happen on anything more complex anytime soon. Bruteforcing is most likely the way to go for now, and the thing with synplant 2 is that we get to use the things that happen on the way which is *way* more interesting and usable than the end result.
@@gutterg0d When I refer to resynthesis I refer to it in it's classic form which is some sort of FFT analysis that breaks a sound down into sine waves then reassembles it using additive synthesis. Icarus and Harmor both use some variation on this idea, with probably more complexity than I described, but that's the basic idea. As it is, neither of these synths will perfom well with ultra complex waves with lots of modulation, especially stuff like unison, chorusing or reverb. Conventional sampling is probably the best way to go with that sort of material. But I have to ask, what's the point in sampling something like a wavetable synth? You've got all the control you need right there already, in terms of the traversing of the wavetables, and extra functions like wave modulation, FM etc, so sampling it seems kind of pointless. When it comes to Synplant 2 though, I can see where it might be useful for some happy accidents, where you start off with a particular idea but Synplant leads you down a path that may be more interesting than the one originally intended. My initial idea of using it as a way of creating pitched percussion by emulating already existing samples would probably work as a way of creating a sort of melodic drum source. An area I've always been interested in.
I think that this synth could be really valuable to me and I’m really interested. However I don’t think it’s quite worth $150 for me, so I will wait for a sale or a big contract job and then grab it.
I wanted to shit on this video but I was laughing too much at the RANDOM words spoken OUT loud. I don't think Synplant 2 is overrated because it's not really THAT talked about. Something like Sylenth, or Massive or Serum perhaps, because everyone's heard of it and/or uses it. Access Virus, Minimoog, TB303. Overrated, perhaps. This thing not so much; it's always been more of a niche instrument for more experimental types. Having said that, it can also make some sounds you cannot get any other way, and it's a lot of fun to play with. FX and textures galore, and some very interesting and usable leads and pads that would be great for soundtrack work. The Genopatch thing is a wicked feature, and hopefully something that will be refined over time; as it stands, its a blast to chuck all my samples into it and see what it does. I had the original so I got my upgrade for very little. It's not overrated, ya dingus. That's just your usual RUclips pre-release hype where everyone with a channel talks about the same plugin. But is it inspirational? Oh yes. Whenever I am tempted to throw a standard synth patch on something, I go to Synplant and end up with something vastly more unique, and my own.
150 is a decent price for a plug-in, about the load that he puts on the computer, are you Morceau joking or could that be a serious problem down the line? Not too sure on my current build but I know I have at least 16 gigs of RAM and my processing power, at least from my experience can handle a lot of shit until I throw God particle on my master bus.
I appreciate the critical review. I was really underwhelmed by Synplant 1 (the atonality drove me crazy; that should just not be happening in any software synth) and honestly it looks like overall there are some better features but not enough to drop even $50 for the upgrade, much less $150 as a new user. This is simply not Serum-level good but it is priced that way.
I think Synplant 2 is equally overrated and underrated by different people. Those who think it's only good for weird alien special effects are massively misguided and hence are vastly underrating the plugin's capabilities. And by equal measure, it's overrated by those suggesting, it's the only synth you'll ever need, as if it could replace the top workhorse synths available. The truth is, it is extremely capable synth with an unorthodox and innovative workflow, which is great for some people, but perhaps not everybody's cup of tea. Which is perfectly fine. To each their own, as they say. 😊
It’s more that it was the greatest/orig (even though it DIDN’T HAVE AUTOMATED PARAMETERS 🤬) now it does. And it mimics sounds. I guess I would’ve paid the the $50 for an AI mimic-er so it’s fine 🤷♂️
yeah too expensive, i just wait for big companies copy the genopatch. I think its hard to add to for example serum because the parameters are variable and so hard to train on an ai model. Thats why I think the routing is fixed on this one, so you have a fixed amount of parameters "the dna". But maybe its not impossbile, maybe a "path finding" aproach would solve the variable parameter problem, but probably way to complicated to programm and train.
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I love putting complex sounds into the genopatcher. Not for the sake of recreating them, but because there is almost always a branch or 10 of something really novel and amazing that results.
Like that weird glissando bass it farted out when he put the neuro bass sample in
@@apoplexiamusic Perfect for _liquid_ dnb 💩
Weaver would’ve like it more if the plugin would’ve been named Synfiltrator.
Synplant is ridiculously overpriced for what it is, but it's not overrated at all. The genopatch thing is fantastic, but it's not going to be long before it's surpassed by other software. The strength will never be copying sounds, thats pointless. The strength is in making variations.
If its nots worth the money they are asking, wouldn't that make it overrated?
@@Outmode88_music No. Overvalued and overrated are two different things. Overrated is about what the thing does, not what it costs.
Have you ever put a single piano note into sampler? The further you move away from the original note, it sounds inauthentic and corny. It's the equivalent to physically changing the size of the piano as opposed to hitting different sized strings. Genopatch is not pointless and it's not copying a sound like a sampler ... as explained in the video.
@@illDefine1 I've tried putting a piano sample through genopatch, and spoiler alert, it sounded nothing like the piano.
@@gutterg0d That doesn't change the fact that " The strength will never be copying sounds" is an erroneous statement, just because this app is not good at it. As this video explained. a synthesized piano sample that actually sounds real has plenty of benefits, even if we're not there yet. Generating variations of a sound from an original sound is relatively easy and common.
It's kind of the T-1000 of synths. It can't create complex machines but it can form solid metal shapes
Synthplant 2 is cool but have you tried writing a good song?
I'm getting some great sounds out of synplant.
I bought this and its now my go to. Planning on making songs like I used to 15yrs ago only with this. I understand the parameters and know what to change to have the patch sound the way I want. Hi hats and kicks are excellent, recreating chords obviously dont work because there are only 2 oscillators, but planting new seeds, going down a rabbit hole of sound is something much desired on my end
every time i click on a branch it goes crazy spinning around and shit. the old version didn't do this. got any idea what i'm doing wrong? lol
@@m.richards6947 are you using the cracked version floating around? Idk, I hear people complaining about CPU usage and stuff. My M1 is perfectly fine running this so it must be a PC issue.. If you click and drag the branch out it morphs the original sound in random ways and then you can right click and plant that seed to map that new sound to the keyboard
Dude, good show on explaining what overrated means because people will instantly think you're saying it's shit. It's shame that you have to put a disclaimer first, but this is the world we live in where people instantly take things to heart. Also, a very good video. You had me cracking up with yelling random words!
Liked, and subscribed!
By this time next this channel is going to be renamed to "Weaver Beat, brought to you by Devious Machines' Infiltrator 2™"
to me it’s a boutique item. works well on vocals but no it does not recreate the neuro basses and stuff I make or even drums.
it's pretty damn good at recreating metallic percussion
but no, not good at mimicking advanced synthesis
@@DataBroth It depends. It's not good at nor designed to mimick complex time variable parameters but it can be unexpectedly good at complex timbres.
nah its great, generate until something appears, just have to have a gnarly processing chain
I can't wait for people to put a basic kick snare and hat in this, put the results in a sample pack, and sell it for hundreds of dollars to poor beginners who dont know better
dude you just gave me a great idea
@@oneebaez nah bruh, don't do it I'm beggin
@@oneebaezLMAO
How would you know the difference? People throw out the same sounds with very little variation in sample packs already, this won't make any kind of difference.
The ginopatch is the heaven on earth for sound designers xD, Literally you can do crazy amount of Drums samples just with that lol.
I haven't seen many saying Synplant 2 is the greatest, but it is one of the first to use intelligent AI to do things that will probably be considered stepping stones to more advance things AI will do in the future when it can do them from scratch instead of being fed a sample to analyze... The greatest plug-in ever created hasn't ever been created and in my opinion will NEVER be created because there will always be something better. Synplant has always been unlike any other plug-in and is in that enviable position today. NOBODY else has a an instrument with the capabilities of Synplant 1 or 2 where every note in a scale can be a completely different synthesized sound - the programming hurdles they've crossed to provide the cool interface that works like it does is pure genius. I can't wait to see what THEIR accomplishments lead to for future plug-ins.
"NOBODY else has a an instrument with the capabilities of Synplant 1 or 2 where every note in a scale can be a completely different synthesized sound"
this can be achieved in many synth, not always easily, but it can be achieved in Vital for example, and off the top of my head I can't recall which other synths are capable of this, as it's not the easiest feature. It is easier to achieve in synplant, but I can also imagine other methods of accomplishing this specific goal
@@DataBroth - You are correct my friend, even my own Unify Plug-In can be set to where different notes are each completely different plug-ins even. However NOBODY has this ability from a single interface object with only dragging on each of the plant branches to accomplish this in a single plug-in in seconds. I probably should have been more specific in my first reply...
That’s just an illusion. The “something better” is always some gimmick and they never last. The tried and true basic synth techniques and controls will still be used and nobody listening will know which synth instrument the sound came from. So this “plant” is hardly a game changer.
this is a pioneering synth. Others will copy this and fail, while this will keep getting better and better. Because of this, right now yes it might be the greatest in the way of being its own kind. Everything else either tries to be like serum or recreated hardware. Its like a once in a decade synth
@@PlugInGuruVideo yeah, there's not really any simpler solutions out there, though I must say I'm not quite a fan of the branch system either. For me personally, using a bitwig device(or Unify), where I can simply load an entire plugin to each note within an octave is faster and more intuitive. Albeit you lose the ability to save within a single preset
The Genopatch AI thing is genius, and very well executed imo. But it can only do what the synth engine is capable of, and tbh, as of 2023, its very basic and unfortunately struggles with anything more advanced because it lacks any advanced features itself. But then again, running this AI on any advanced synth like Serum, it would probably take 1000x longer ( or even more), because there are that many more combinations of knobs you can turn (not even talking about custom modulation shapes). In short : It would burn our CPU even more
There's only two oscillators so it cant recreate chords or complex pads and sounds with a bunch of processing. I read somewhere it would take days for the dev to recreate sounds when he first came up with it a decade ago. I'm hoping this becomes more refined and a third oscillator can be added without it taking longer.... I think there is a lot going on behind the engine that isn't known or noticeable, which makes it seem its "very basic"
I'm quite suspicious what AI is being used if any. The fact that it is running on the CPU instead of GPU sounds like it is simply brute forcing some method of finding a match.
I expect when the companies with large resources get into this they will be able to invest into substantial AI model training that will be significantly more effective.
I agree and i do hope that they will improve and update the engine so hopefully they programmed it with that in mind.
@@dakara4877 It's very likely not the kind of AI you're thinking of. The recent generative model boom has made one particular form of AI (machine learning via neural networks) pretty much synonymous with the term but that's only scratching the surface of the field. Not all forms benefit from GPU acceleration.
@@frogofdeparture yeah, it's annoying that the word "AI" just means things like chatGPT to people now
Something really worth trying is putting in acoustic samples and acoustic drum samples.
It can do a surprisingly good job of making synth drums that have a similar timbre to samples of acoustic drums
I haven't had the opportunity to play around with it yet, so perhaps the functionality already exists and I'm just not aware. But I think it would be cool if there was a slider in the Genopatch UI that lets you adjust how closely it tries to mimic the provided sample, as well as the ability to "lock" any of the resulting patches that you happen to like. That way you could do an initial pass with the slider maxed out to get some patches that closely resemble the sample, then you save those and do another pass after adjusting the slider so Genopatch generates new patches that are more out there, but without replacing the initial patches you liked.
So the best you can do from what I’ve messed with is any genopatch patch you choose it’ll automatically be named and you can just quickly save it as a preset for later use. Not sure if it’s explained in the video I’m only like a minute in
What slider?
The process is automatic. Each lane in the genopatch is automatic and uses a slightly different approach to replicating the sample.
You can click on the little "i" button in the sample window and it shows you how close the patch is to the sample. The further the "error" readout is from 0 the closer it is to the original sample.
Every time you click on a node it becomes the active patch. So you can just save that.
But you can further refine it by clicking a patch and making it active and then alt clicking on one of the genopatch lanes to use that as the starting point for generating a patch. It still uses the loaded sample as the goal.
One thing to note is that once any patch is generated the sample is not needed anymore.
3:52 it sounds like it quite literally is shitting the bed here
Yooo, Synplant is outstanding in the sense that it does something no other synth does (Genopatch) and plus it's ill for coming up with original complex voices in seconds. Means I can work backwards and undo little automations I don't want instead of spending a year heaping parameters on top of each other. It's schooling me on some of the finer points of sound design that I hadn't considered yet. In short, it's a work of art with rigorous science under the hood. The way you can roll seamlessly from one wave to the next sounds wild if you bust an LFO on it. I could go on. I won't. :)
Weaver Beats: "this synth is overrated"
*proceeds to talk about all the insane features and the sounds he made with it*
Overpriced, but definitely not overrated. It's not replacing anything, but it adds something new which is *way* more rare.
@@gutterg0d yeah. i rarely expect plugins to replace older plugins anyway. i just love being inspired by new ways and sounds
Overrated does not mean bad, I just think people rate it a bit higher than it's actual value.
@@Weaverbeats i think it deserves its price. the genopatch feature is not the only unique one. the entire synth is an innovation, even though the concept is old already. in other words: i was already about to buy synplant before v2 dropped, but with the genopatch feature it became a nobrainer decision to me
@@Beatsbasteln If I spend $100+ on something it won't be this synth. Something like pigments or phase plant is way better value. because I don't think the novelties in Synplant is going to last very long. But I'm assuming this will be discounted sooner or later, and depending on how things look I might jump on it at 50% off.
That first “fail” had a couple options that were a few nob turns away to sounding similar
3:54 is great
I completely agree regarding the CPU issue. I attempted to use Genopatch technology, and it placed a significant strain on my CPU, to the point where even my cursor began to lag. I hope they address this in the future.
Unless it uses neural network processing over cloud (like most AI these days), this won't change very much any time soon.
Why does my system I built in 2017 handle it fine?
Really? Does fine on my 7 year old falling apart Thinkpad.
I got a 2012 dell that handles fine. Weird.
"YELLING A RANDOM WORD" 😁...was hilarious, you have a great gift for humor! Also, great video, very informative, thanks. ✔
I don’t think it does well with sounds with complex modulation
the ADSR control is not straight forward 😢 n the matrix for lfos as well.
true, i've noticed it was a bit wonky there too.
The randomly emphasized words had me cracking up lol. Such dumb comedy, but I love it.
Agreed. It fails too much right now. I hope we get something capable of generating more complex sounds soon.
Harmor can resynthesize any sound and do so perfectly or nearly perfectly, but that's using additive synthesis. Doing it with "more traditional" synthesis like Synplant 2 is doing here is less impressive in terms of the accuracy of the results, but it's a totally different ball game in terms of how you can go on to manipulate those results. Which is better depends what you're trying to achieve, but for me this is exciting for the purposes of just exploring new sounds, which I feel is the fundamental premise Synplant was conceived from.
@@PHIplaytesting And it has a horrendous UI as well. I've used FL studio forever and barely use their VSTs because of this. UI in their plugins for me is easily their biggest downside. Sure once you learn them it's fine, but the thing is I don't even want to touch most of the stuff, because the learning part is just revolting. Unlike Vital. Unlike Serum. Unlike Diva. Unlike Repro-5.
No subscription model and AI. That’s underrated
The genopatch is heavily AI/Machine Learning driven.
Not being able to drag in samples to the genome patch and having to go into your folders is a huge pain in the ass
Damn bro you just sparked my creativity with that Drum&Bass cut! Nice! Gonna use Infiltrator a lot more for Key progressions!
Some say the price of SYNPLANT 2 is too high, but I don't understand what the problem with that is. I don't think we need to worry about it because we are "buying cheap goods" in our daily lives.
SYNPLANT 2" would be a very great buy.
When the helicopter flew above 😂💀
9:34 is that a Renard sample??
yeah i flipped it for the different transition screens lmao
@@Weaverbeats hahah I knew you were a freak
One of my favorite plugins. But its for a very specific composer. Certainly for THE experimental music, there is A VIDEO, of Brian Eno, using it, that should GIVE PEOPLE a good idea. And it CERTAINLY NEEDs a good deal of time to GET AHOLD of taking control to make more "normal sounds'
You can make 'normal sounds' by plonking a sample of a normal sound into the genopatcher and choosing the most normal branches.
But why would you want to make normal sounds?
@@made.online2149 ... because you might want a close 'sound-alike' of a 'normal sound' to then further tweak, while still sounding 'normal'. Which is how I tend to use Synplant 2 for most of my music thus far. It's great that you can push it also in random experimental directions. But, whether or not the user choses to, is entirely up to each individual. The idea that you 'have' to get weird with Synplant 2 is an unfair reputation, that is unfortunately putting a lot of potential customers off, from even giving it a chance to prove that misguided reputation wrong.
🧐 Brian Eno you say?
@@crnkmnky Brian Eno, I say. 😸
you're just gonna drop "there is A VIDEO, of Brian Eno, using it, that should GIVE PEOPLE a good idea" without telling me how to find this video huh >.< pls halp
I started using the demo version today and I do like it. It's just costs too much in my opinion.
To compare Xfer Serum synth was and still is 189 USD. So 150 USD is a competitive price.
If that was like 30$ i would consider
this technology is very old. why is humanity so far behind in music tech.
the sounds you said are embarrassing is exactly the sounds i want ironically
waiting for my "this" in the mail, im so excited. thanks bro
damn, this plugin is actually underrated
It most definitely is not overrated, lmao
The under the hood synth engine in Synplant 2 is too basic for my taste (it's just a two oscillator synth engine that can do some fm) If it was a four wavetable oscillator and eight operator fm engine combined with multiple lfo's and mod matrix engine, then I would be interested at the current price.
3:43 that sounds more like a Taco Bell bowel movement than a helicopter 😂
The genopatches end results might not be amazing.comparrd to the original samples, but it is to me amazing that it gets even remotely close at all. Itll only get better with the years
Love the bong sounds on the neuro sound!!!
While there is some sense talked in the video, the clickbait slogan “only makes simple sounds” is simply untrue. It is a lie. The genopatch machine learning might (sometimes, not always) not perform so well on some types of complex sounds. But that doesn’t in any way mean that it only _makes_ simple sounds, quite the contrary : it can make extremely complex sounds very very easily. Lying about that ( I say “lying” because when you deliberately say something that you know to be untrue that is the appropriate term) for some clickbait slogan is cheap and, frankly, pretty stupid if you are hoping that people will in any way value your opinion.
Keep in mind that when writing text on a thumbnail you can't write more than four or five words without it being completely ineffective as a readable thumbnail. In my opinion it is not able to recreate quite a few complex sounds, therefore I wrote "only makes simple sounds."
I don't view that as a "lie" as much as me simplifying a conclusion to as little words as possible.
If there is something more accurate that gets peoples attention and can be said in four words or less, I will gladly replace it. I am open to suggestions. Maybe "Struggles with complex sounds" is better?
@@Weaverbeats Fair enough. My gripe was that while it might well struggle with ACCURATELY RECREATING some complex sounds ( though, in my experience, not all, in fact far from it ) it most certainly is able to MAKE complex, in fact VERY complex, sounds ... they just might not always particularly resemble the sample used as a ‘model’ !!! ... to say the opposite in the only text that someone skimming through videos will see ... strikes me as being very unfair, and also, sorry, very untrue. BUT, OK maybe you just weren’t looking at it that way, so I withdraw the “lie” remark, and what’s more it’s pretty rare for youtubers to change their post in response to a comment, instead of just digging in, so kudos for that matey, appreciated. Best !
im mad didnt watch full video i dont follow orders i was fine till u told me what to do i dont need a totorial on how o watch a youtube video
Not only overrated but every sample I throw at it gives horrible results that just sounds like metallic noise with reverb on it
Rabbit hole audiosoft…
Not even close to being worth the price.
Overrated no, overpriced defnitely. I've wanted to buy it for a year (Microtonic and Permut8 too), but I just can't justify the cost. I'll eventually get the latter 2 because they'll enhance my workflow and results enough to justify, but Synplant is more a nice-to-have than a must-have. The fact that they explicitly state they never do sales is also pretty annoying. As a dev I understand wanting to hold the line on your value, but when pretty much every other vendor in the space does some kind of sale or bundle or something, patently refusing to do so just makes you look stuck up, and I hate giving money to people who are stuck up.
Feed it random midi, play with the modwheel and stack Valhalla Supermassive on it. Tell me if it's still overrated 😂
Liked for the cable tie. I need as many as you can spare.
Those sounds u take te Mickey out of were sick
People still seem to think that this synth uses resynthesis. It's a a simple FM synth that analyses a sample and attempts to recreate it. Neurosynth baslines? Yeah it's obviously gonna fail at that. If you're looking for actual resynthesis with a closer fidelity to the original sound, then Icarus (1 and 2) and Harmor are still your best bet. I'm probably gonna get Synplant 2 , if it's as capable of creating tuned percussion with a West Coat/Buchla type feel. Which I think maybe one of it's strengths judging from the basic synthesis engine.
If the sample is a synth and you attempt to recreate it identically, it's as close to resynthesizing as we'll get. I get that for true resynthesizing you'd have to "decode" the sound into it's original parts somehow, but that's not going to happen on anything more complex anytime soon. Bruteforcing is most likely the way to go for now, and the thing with synplant 2 is that we get to use the things that happen on the way which is *way* more interesting and usable than the end result.
@@gutterg0d
When I refer to resynthesis I refer to it in it's classic form which is some sort of FFT analysis that breaks a sound down into sine waves then reassembles it using additive synthesis. Icarus and Harmor both use some variation on this idea, with probably more complexity than I described, but that's the basic idea. As it is, neither of these synths will perfom well with ultra complex waves with lots of modulation, especially stuff like unison, chorusing or reverb. Conventional sampling is probably the best way to go with that sort of material. But I have to ask, what's the point in sampling something like a wavetable synth? You've got all the control you need right there already, in terms of the traversing of the wavetables, and extra functions like wave modulation, FM etc, so sampling it seems kind of pointless.
When it comes to Synplant 2 though, I can see where it might be useful for some happy accidents, where you start off with a particular idea but Synplant leads you down a path that may be more interesting than the one originally intended. My initial idea of using it as a way of creating pitched percussion by emulating already existing samples would probably work as a way of creating a sort of melodic drum source. An area I've always been interested in.
@@gutterg0d For a synth that has a really original take on sampling you might interested in Tomofon, by Klevgrand.
Perfect for one shots, and the magic only comes in the Manipulate mode. It takes a while to get used to
2:20 high, we are smoking the synplants 999 lmao
Weaver reviews and rates plug ins like fantano reviews music
so, poorly? 😭
I didn't know Weaver Beats was also a RUclipsr!
It would be interesting as a standalone app, rather than requiring a host DAW . . . just my thought of the moment.
I think that this synth could be really valuable to me and I’m really interested. However I don’t think it’s quite worth $150 for me, so I will wait for a sale or a big contract job and then grab it.
They don’t do sales…
@@crawlingwind it’s so over for me
It's got a 3 month free trial and that's 3 months of actual use!
To compare Xfer Serum synth was and still is 189 USD. So 150 USD is a competitive price.
google is your friend@@rosekennedy9744
its cool if it creates weird versions of a oneshot. I pick the ones that sound wrong to the original on purpose
ROFL! Why would someone need this?
Also , no ilok. I value that highly these days.
how do i get it to stop spinning when i click on a branch lol
hm so they made a chamomile synth?
I wanted to shit on this video but I was laughing too much at the RANDOM words spoken OUT loud. I don't think Synplant 2 is overrated because it's not really THAT talked about. Something like Sylenth, or Massive or Serum perhaps, because everyone's heard of it and/or uses it. Access Virus, Minimoog, TB303. Overrated, perhaps. This thing not so much; it's always been more of a niche instrument for more experimental types. Having said that, it can also make some sounds you cannot get any other way, and it's a lot of fun to play with. FX and textures galore, and some very interesting and usable leads and pads that would be great for soundtrack work. The Genopatch thing is a wicked feature, and hopefully something that will be refined over time; as it stands, its a blast to chuck all my samples into it and see what it does. I had the original so I got my upgrade for very little. It's not overrated, ya dingus. That's just your usual RUclips pre-release hype where everyone with a channel talks about the same plugin. But is it inspirational? Oh yes. Whenever I am tempted to throw a standard synth patch on something, I go to Synplant and end up with something vastly more unique, and my own.
Its so confusing !
I've gone completely portamental.
3:48 diahria
Holyshh how do i get that OS NDNB G Bass Hit, sounds so great
busted up laughing when you kept saying certain words LOUDER
I was all aboard the hype train myself... then I jumped into the trial...and yes...yea...yupppp...
150 is a decent price for a plug-in, about the load that he puts on the computer, are you Morceau joking or could that be a serious problem down the line? Not too sure on my current build but I know I have at least 16 gigs of RAM and my processing power, at least from my experience can handle a lot of shit until I throw God particle on my master bus.
I appreciate the critical review. I was really underwhelmed by Synplant 1 (the atonality drove me crazy; that should just not be happening in any software synth) and honestly it looks like overall there are some better features but not enough to drop even $50 for the upgrade, much less $150 as a new user. This is simply not Serum-level good but it is priced that way.
Weaverphobia..it's the extreme dislike of Infiltrator...thanks for another killer video!
I think Synplant 2 is equally overrated and underrated by different people. Those who think it's only good for weird alien special effects are massively misguided and hence are vastly underrating the plugin's capabilities. And by equal measure, it's overrated by those suggesting, it's the only synth you'll ever need, as if it could replace the top workhorse synths available. The truth is, it is extremely capable synth with an unorthodox and innovative workflow, which is great for some people, but perhaps not everybody's cup of tea. Which is perfectly fine. To each their own, as they say. 😊
Hey weaver, it's been a while! Oh man, I'm bored. Bye Weaver!
--goes to Weaver Beats 2--
It’s a subtractive synth. Noobs gonna noob
definitely not a new go to but it is nice to have
dork mode would be nice though
_Ninjas don't dance no mo'._
_All they do is this… whatever this thing is._
How is PhasePlant hard to get into? I found it the easiest, and most intuitive for beginners.
It’s more that it was the greatest/orig (even though it DIDN’T HAVE AUTOMATED PARAMETERS 🤬) now it does.
And it mimics sounds.
I guess I would’ve paid the the $50 for an AI mimic-er so it’s fine 🤷♂️
Never getiing mad about when reading headlines bro.
Ok let me continue watching....
it is pretty overrated. I'm not waiting 5 minutes and wait for it to generate some weird sounds. Cool algorithm and that pretty much it for me,
It's fun to play with but it's trash
yeah too expensive, i just wait for big companies copy the genopatch. I think its hard to add to for example serum because the parameters are variable and so hard to train on an ai model. Thats why I think the routing is fixed on this one, so you have a fixed amount of parameters "the dna". But maybe its not impossbile, maybe a "path finding" aproach would solve the variable parameter problem, but probably way to complicated to programm and train.
The sound of a goat eating meatballs?
whats infiltrator?
3:45 it really got diarrhea from it
Is it possible you're the only one who is honest on this youtube game?
I think $50 new price would be about right for a plugin sounding this mediocre.
This folder architecture killed it for me. Thank your for this video.
not another installer with "options" to install "other" products? Oh no. I hate installers.
(it's looks like a velcro 'cable-tie'. get some new cables, recently?)
Synplant has Oddworld Abe’s Odysee vibes
Dnb demo was 🔥🔥🔥
whats your fursona
LOL it's $150 WTF
oh shit, the infiltrator army is coming after synplant
Yeah..I'll pass on the like button for the video.. I mean it was a little overrated ..It doesn't mean I hated it. It was OK, though not quite great.
Good Explanation Clik Bait title but Good Video