What people are missing out which is a HUGE piece of context from Karl Jobst is that the whole time he was listing off organizations he was donating to, when the money has literally been sitting there the whole time. This wouldnt be such a problem if he was transparent about holding onto it in the first place
Yeah i when I was watching that vid I kept wondering if anyone had asked where exactly the money was being donated to and then when they played the clips of him saying it was going to these specific places, that's pretty damning
@@Shyknit I watched the Karl Jobst video and SOG and Karl confronted him about him claiming what charities he was donating to. In the call he claimed that he was surprised himself that the money wasn't moving and was unhappy with it. The thing is that call happened ~1 year ago and after the call he was still straight up saying that he was donating to all of those charities again after supposedly being made aware that the money wasn't moving at all.
yeah jirad just plain lied. there's not really anything more to it. also the reporting doesn't really mean that the money is still there in their account. it just means the organization owns or is owed that amount of money. but that's beside him lying. dude just lies.
@@lasskinn474here is the thing as well, him just lying about it is charity fraud, as he knew that it was a lie and still claimed in his live streams for the event that the money was going to these organizations which it wasn't and he knew damn well the money was still in the account, and he was using 10-15k for expenses each year, which is way to much, especially considering he has partnerships with game companies and pc companies who provide him with all the games and the pc's that can run the games, and he films it all in his own studio, and owns the filming equipment. and the furniture is owned by him.
"We are raising ONE MILLION DOLLARS to help with FTD. We just want to make one donation to put it to the best use." That's all it would have taken all those years.
@@robertwesley7332let’s just say Mr Cynical is an awful human being who has been able to get away with what he has done under the banner of “trolling” and is a known loliphile.
I mean, to be fair, he said during his interview with the guys who broke this story that he's only been directly involved with trying to find an appropriate charity to donate it to as of last year. I don't really know what sort of work you need to put into figuring something like that out, but I do know that he's a busy guy who spends a lot of his time working on his videos. I'm not going to absolve him of any wrongdoing -- but at the very least, I don't think that what's happened here was done maliciously or with any intent to take the money for himself. Obviously the right answer would have been to bring someone experienced in to handle the more complicated aspects of the foundation's issues, but again, this is just an outside perspective from someone who has no experience with that end of things running a charity.
@@Counterattack87 the problem is that, even if we assume he hasn’t been able to find a charity since last year, he still lied on this year’s charity event saying that the donations would be used for charity when weren’t. He knew the money wasn’t going to charity and withheld that information for a year
Sounds like his brother "ran" the family charity that this money went to and Jirard only learned last year of the money not being distributed from his charity to the other charities. He needs to explain the last year and not make excuses for his brother.
@biospark4758 100% true. Some things worth considering: Jirard runs a fairly large charity event that takes a lot of planning and coordinating with hundreds of people. He learns that things with the charity aren't going as expected, but despite this, believes that ultimately, the money will still end up where it needs to either via direct involvement or otherwise. Do you cancel the upcoming fundraising event, losing any time and money invested into it? Do you hold the event and tell everyone that the money hasn't moved, knowing that it's going to do harm to your reputation, as well as the charitys and those who are and have been involved? Or do you continue moving forward with the intent to continue to raise money that you believe will ultimately be appropriately handled, making good on what you'd set out to do? I'm not saying he made the right choice or even the best choice, but it's clearly not an easy question. I think it's best to wait for more information to come out before getting the picthforks.
To me the whole problem is Jirard saying he "discovered" the money was sitting in the bank account since 2021, but still asking for donations and saying the money is going straight to the dementia organizations after the fact. Also, did anyone did the math to know if the money is losing value by just sitting in the bank account due to inflation? I'm shit at math, so I can't do it.
you dont need to do the math to know that over the course of 10 years it is absolutely losing value due to inflation. this is why holding cash in a bank account is a horrible long term strategy.
Also he keeps naming charities that Open Hands supports, so if he’s “looking for worthy charities” either dump all the money to the people you claim to have been supporting, that you never have, or stop bringing them up. He’s happy to say “Open Hands supports X” but they apparently aren’t actually worthy of the money?
I don't know how these people can't see that the "At least he didn't spend the money" defense being used is still a terrible defense. Sure, it would be worse if he spent it all on himself, but the fact that the money hasn't been spent at all doesn't suddenly mean the money has been spent on charity. Worse, his entire justification is because he's worried about the integrity of charity organizations, yet he apparently didn't do the due diligence of looking into the integrity of the Open Hand Foundation? As everyone else has already stated, all the accounting information is publicly available. If the crux of Jirard's argument relies on his party doing due diligence to ensure the money will be spent correctly, how the fuck did he miss this negligence until just a year ago, and why has he still lied about it up until now? If he was genuinely a nice person who genuinely wanted to do right by donors, he would've publicly addressed everything for the sake of transparency when he found out, not lie about it until someone else finds out about it a year later.
Because those ppl are idiots. Also why in gods name does the guy make a charity stream if he has no one to give the money to?! Wtf were they thinking!?!?!?
I think a lot of Twitter users that are defending Jirard are missing the fact that regardless of the reasons why he's holding the money, this is still charity fraud. I like the completionist too and don't think Jirard is a bad guy per se, but you cannot under any circumstances advertise raising money with the purpose of giving it to charity and just hold the money. Beyond that he has held all the money for EVERY year he held this charity event and said nothing. TL;DR Being cancelled is the least of his problems for intentional/unintentional charity fraud.
@@goofygoob420 It is what it is, I'm not gonna harp on Projared wanting to defend a friend, but he really should have watched the video before tweeting that the video was one sided and didn't have Jirard's side of the story.
@@ricoanderson6626 too be fair we haven't GOTTEN his side yet so gonna have to wait for that, but from what I've seen in recent interviews, doesn't look good
@@goofygoob420 I don't think it really matters what his reasons were. He is facing a criminal record if this gets to the IRS. This is a tax fraud by definition, withholding information and lying to people.
@@goofygoob420his side is moot, the law will come for him like it comes for Mafia bosses. The IRS is slow and sloppy, but someone is eyeing one huge bonus right now flailing about like a headless chicken
LOVE how all these people are like "He's a close friend and so nice" but never offer the same benefit of the doubt whenever somebody else says the exact same thing
“He is not pocketing money!” So what would you call it when someone is given money and doesn’t spend it where he says he will but instead keeps it for nearly 10 years? Sounds a lot like pocketing to me.
Who wants to bet that most of Jirards friends haven't actually watched the videos calling him out because honestly, it's hard to defend him when you watch them. Also I hate how many of them go on about how nice he is to them, yeah because he's your friend, of course he's gonna be nice to you.
Let ms tell you this, he did his charity event this year and said it was going to charities which we know isnt the case, so he actually commited charity fraud since he lied about where the money was going and got people to still donate because the donators thought the money was going places and not just collecting dust in the companys back account.
Jirard admits to 'reimbursing himself money when applicable' from the charity account at 30:16 in Mutahar's video. 0 dollars in 10 years to charities he claimed to work with all along. Charity spending 30k a year roughly on 'expenses'.
@@carcinogen60yearsago So you're telling me you need various 'expenses' to set up and fund a charity that allegedly has yet to make a charitable donation within its existence of ~9 years while still actively doing fund-raising?
Gotta love how so many large content creators were arguing a point that wasn't made by Karl and Muta. Dexerto really caused a lot of damage with that headline.
People who defend him are sickening, always avoiding the facts and only saying he's innocent by saying "He's a Kind friend of mine" or some bullcrap...
I don't blame them for wanting to beleive their freind is a good person. I would stupidly do the same. BUT It doesn't change the fact that the open hand is shady and even if jirrard comes out on top and is still a good boy. How can I trust charity if I associate charity with the shady open hand. People aren't dumb for defending jirrard or evil but they are blind and emotionally biased. But freinds don't make good defenses lawyers do. Jirrard is responsible one way or another the question is how bad is he.
@@dankhill6851I'm tired of people overusing and using the word fraud under the wrong context But this is literally the textbook definition of fraud so I'm not complaining this time
Honestly, the most confusing and disappointing part of this is that Jirard didn't immediately go and post a video explaining the situation when he allegedly found out the money hadn't moved back in 2022. He always seemed to be pretty transparent about his screw-ups, and I would have expected he'd come clean about it and present a game plan to rectify the situation fairly quickly.
Because this isn't just a 'screw up". This could land him in legal hot water. That and he's most likely not going to make a video explanation until he has actually donated the funds to charities. If what he said previously was true, he's likely trying to find the right ones now. There's always more than one side to these stories. Let's wait to see what he says.
Yeah, that's the worse part, trying to hide the mismanagement. I actually don't believe that he just found out until "recently" (i think he said 2021, not 2022) but if that's the case with his call it just confirms that he just wants to make sure he doesn't look bad in this, giving the money to the correct place seems to be a secondary priority. Him saying "I don't want to donate it right now because it will look as if I'm trying to do damage control" is so telling of his priorities. If he really cared that much for the cause he would take the L, eat his ego and say he will right his wrong and donate the money as fast as possible to a decent enough (or a couple of) places where they will actually use the money for good and just have it sitting there losing value.
@@ErimlRGG Naw dude. Don't automatically assume what he meant. It's easy to have bias in these situations and we're not always correct in that bias. Let the man speak for himself. Also, he was out on the spot and clearly was stressing and just speaking openly about his concerns.
My honest 2 cents, Jirard has enough goodwill that he can comeback from this, but he needs to fully explain everything quickly because that goodwill can only weather so much
I mean, he knew about it in 2022 and still this year he said it was going to the usc dementia and that stuff, and he still talked about it like 3 weeks ago and said the same things, even though he knew it wasnt true, and hes still filing as a private corporation(for this charity event), and he hasnt put where he spent money which most years was 1-3k plus in terms of money doing this each year, corporations supplied them with consoles and other stuff, by doing what he did still saying the money was going places is a crime, its called charity fraud because the money isnt going anywhere. When the charity people promote its going all over the world to fund dementia research which is something a lot of people donated to in memory of their family/friends who died from it and then they find out it was sitting in a account for years just, its not a good thing especially because he was lying when he said it was going places during the 2023 livestreams which he himself runs.
At 30:16 in Mutahar's video, Jirard says from his own mouth that he "reimbursed himself money when applicable" from the charity account. 10 years and not a dollar to charities he claimed to work with all along the way, but the charity is spending roughly 30k a year in ambiguous 'expenses'. I see a jail cell for charity fraud in his future.
@@simon123222 From the breakdown, it looked like the charity was spending more in the 10-15k range most years. I'm not sure what that money is going toward, exactly, but I do know that it's definitely not enough to live off of or do much with, and that if he was going to steal from the charity, it wouldn't make sense for it to be so little. My best guess is that, given the obvious lack of experience Jirard and his family appear to have when it comes to running a charity, it's likely a lot of those administrative fees are for paying lawyers and (hopefully) consultants for help on running things. All I know is that the money the charity has spent towards running the operation and events (on paper) doesn't really seem like it's an inappropriate amount.
In Mutahar's video, at 30:16, Jirard says that he reimbursed himself money "when applicable" from the charity. You just have to trust him that all the money is still there, 10 years and 0 dollars to charities he claimed to be working with all along. The charity is more than capable of spending 30k a year roughly in 'Expenses' though.
The money’s still there, nonprofit finances are public info, that’s kinda the issue, you can publicly look at their charity work and it’s basically “money goes in. No money goes out (except for the streams)”.
you can't compared Open hand with a large scale charity organization. Open hand is pretty much just a fundraiser. They have no employees to pay, and during events they explained the equipment and space was donated so "all the money would go to charity" $100K is gone from the total amount raised for a charity that would have no operating costs. You can even see this on the tax form for 2014 with $0 expenses.
@@Awaken_To_0the 501c3 filings aren't inherently trustworthy since we're talking about government workers looking over them Only if an audit is done by the IRS or an authorized third party will we know for sure what is what If all you had to do is write down on paper that you are rich, boy oh boy, the Ferraris I'd buy..
Karl and Muta did a great job of just presenting the facts and showing why its bad. Muta had a bit more emotion about it, but they werent attackkng him. They were asking questions he couldnt answer
Karl seems pretty spot on and his video was very information-based. Kudos to him for not overstepping. Muta seems like a real douchebag. Never seen his stuff prior to last night, but he definitely comes across as someone who hides their own shitty behavior through virtue signaling and painting targets on others.
@@Counterattack87muta is usually a chill guy but he hates it when someone does something bad and doesn't get punished from it,hence why he comes across as aggressive
Being a guy who grew up with normalboots in general (mostly PBG and jontron, along with a few others) I actually didnt watch a lot of Jirard's content. But I always had extreme respect for him with how much he cared about charity. With him also being apart of tons of major fundraisers for things like cancer (Specifically with matpat from game theory.) Knowing Jirard has been sitting on his own charities money turned my whole world upside down when it comes to internet charities and fundraising. And I'm genuinely furious about knowing what he's done. (And no, not that he's pocketing money. But that he's been sitting on said money in general?)
@@nekolu definitely. Truly I think the biggest name out of them that hasn't been in any serious controversial problems over the last ten years has been PBG. Almost all the others have had at least some form of controversy.
@@VirginStarrrrr the pbg controversy is that he doesn’t get involved with controversy. That wouldn’t matter much to me except for the fact that he addresses the controversy by saying he wouldn’t get involved in the controversy, so people immediately start hating in the replies to his tweets. Sometimes turning off twitter is the best thing for everyone to do.
Scamming people is one thing. Lying about charity is another. Doing both is beyond scummy. Edit: I’d also like to say to, even if a cent hasn’t been spent, 9 years building up for charity and building up money is really suspicious in my opinion and I have no idea why he would need that money hoarded for years.
@@dumbbumsc5329 Not to mention he admitted he knew that money was just sitting there doing nothing since last year yet he did another indieland/charity event recently
@@dumbbumsc5329 Again, if you watch the video, Jirard says he wasn't aware of the situation until last year, and given everything else he has going on, the worst you could say is that he's mismanaged the situation. Anything beyond that is an assumption until proven otherwise.
@@Counterattack87 Besides the blatant lying about the money actually going to charities. Hope it’s just super gross negligence and not anything malicious
it's actually kind of a scam because if you choose to believe he just found out last year, even this year he said that the money went to research and I think again gave the name of the university and made it seem like they are actively helping to the cause, which they haven't yet@@Counterattack87 If people knew the money was just sitting there, no one would donate and the money could actually help someone if they go some place else. It's a very grey area because they it's arguable that they are lying to people
Biggest issue I have is that he mention in the interview that he only found out about money wasn't going anywhere about a year ago. Even if it turns out he was unaware this whole time the money wasn't going anywhere he still kept quite about it and he still told people the money was going somewhere when he did another charity run. I don't know about most people, but if I found out the charity I ran didn't send out any money in more then a decade, I would put any work I was doing on hold until I get this issue fixed, and what's more I would make a public apology instantly telling what I found out and how I will try and fix the massive mistake I made. Course sense Jared didn't do that and its only when his mistake is called out by someone else, any attempts of him apologizing and getting his side of the story (even if its true he just F-Up) is gonna be taken with a massive grain of salt by a lot of people, cause you got caught with what you did.
10000000% this. I get it, it is sitting and he found out late...but he had 2023 and depending on 2022, also the 2022 one, and still lied/held the truth. Be honest or at least tell people "Hey so, because of background and reasons, this money won't go out immediately and be sitting". Like people maybe donate less, but at least the people who do it, know ahead of time.
10000000% this. I get it, it is sitting and he found out late...but he had 2023 and depending on 2022, also the 2022 one, and still lied/held the truth. Be honest or at least tell people "Hey so, because of background and reasons, this money won't go out immediately and be sitting". Like people maybe donate less, but at least the people who do it, know ahead of time.
Maybe it’s just me, but if I was the face of the foundation- the person actively soliciting donations- I’d be asking which organization the money was going to if I wasn’t handling that aspect of it myself. I find it hard to believe it took eight years for him to look into it. Wasn’t he interested? (Apologies if this is a dumbass question; I just learned about this from Bowblax’s video and am going to watch Muta’s now, so it could be I’m missing some context that the other two videos will make clear.)
@@Brooklyntrash Plus like as the face, sorry but I know I'll get the heat, and do everything to fix this/get the money out asap. Especially with people asking him, I'd immediately admit it or work hard to do something
Not pocketing money for personal use...where did the $125,000 in "expenses" he listed go then? He absolutely scammed people and profited by scamming them.
This is either a fall from grace or he's completely incompetent with charity money. Either way, it's bad, but I'd rather he be incompetent with money than pocketing it from a charity that was raised in his mothers name...
So lets boil it down. In the last 10 years he has raised $780,915 for charity. He said every cent would go to a specific charity. Now only $655,520 of it is left. Over $125K has went to expenses, and $0 to charity. Open hand doesn't pay employees, and has people donate equipment and space for events. This was a selling point at events by Jirard so he could promise all the money goes to charity. They should not have expenses, each year should have been like 2014 with no expenses declared. What is the source for this information? 1: Taxes filed by Open Hand. 2: Jirard literally saying it happened while on a call. Possible discrepancy can be the tax forms, leading to 3 scenarios. 1: The tax forms were correct, making this look terrible. 2: They lied on the tax forms to make themselves look bad. 3: They lied on the tax forms and this is much worse than it actually is. Keeping in mind scenario 2 and 3 could lead to criminal charges if reported.
Even scenario 1 can land you in legal hot water. By admitting he knew the money is sitting in the account and continuing to request for donations the very next year claiming he is donating the money while still not doing is fraud. Also, the "5% rule" is in effect going to land him in legal hot water for sure. You are bound legally to spend 5% yearly on charities from funds raised through your charity, and from his tax forms, that's exactly what he didn't do
"Open hand doesn't pay employees, and has people donate equipment and space for events. This was a selling point at events by Jirard so he could promise all the money goes to charity." Do you have something to prove that? not saying is a lie, I just would like to have a source
@@GianniLeonhart Well evidence is twofold. The first was him during the events saying each cent would go to charity, and giving specifically those reasons why. The second is on the tax forms. If you scroll down on most of them the expenses are itemized. Employee payments and equipment cost is 0. They just claim miscellaneous expense.
I wonder if Jirard understands the irony in that being so hesitant to give money to charities that would spend too much of it on administrative costs as he claimed, he seemingly made a charity that ONLY spends money on administrative costs, like at least charities with high executive compensation at least sometimes do something for their cause, Open Hand Foundation has literally done nothing but pay administrative costs and take money away from other charities that could've done at least something with the money
I'm really glad you pointed this out. Up to now I haven't come across anyone that has pointed it out. In using charity donations for administrative costs', Open Hand Foundation became what he didn't want to donate to. In withholding the money, Open Hand Foundation became something worse.
Turns out, the legend came back briefly to Reddit and explained this was the reason he left all those years ago He’s doing well off the grid with his wife and two kids, and is just thankful he had the foresight to see this coming
It's weird how so many people seem more worried about defending the completionist rather than just fairly pushing back against the sensationalized headline claim that "he was pocketing all the donated money", but also really highlighting the critiques of his handling of the situation and what is at best severe negligence if we are to give him the benefit of the doubt. I get that Dexerto had a really shitty headline that should be criticized but all those people tweeting in the middle of the video seems more interested in vouching for the completionist with the criticisms of the money being left to collect dust for 10 years being an afterthought.
JonTron gets thrown in the trash by Twitteroids for making some frankly nothing-burger "politically incorrect" tweets but otherwise has no scandals. Meanwhile, the Completionist has this reputation of being le heccin wholesome and all that gets himself into is this charity scam controversy. Lol.
I really hope that all of those RUclipsrs who are defending TheCompletionist (especially AntDude and GillytheKid) are innocent and just having a hard time accepting that someone like Jirard would ever commit charity fraud. It would break my heart if they were simply trying to cover his ass because they played a role in this whole debacle as well. I mean, seeing TheCompletionist get exposed like this is bad enough; I *really* don’t want to lose any more RUclipsrs that I highly respect and enjoy.
From the looks of it, it's probably just that: denial. As weak an argument as this is, Jirard was friends with these people and just want to believe that this is all just one big misunderstanding and maybe the Court will clear this all up about this whole thing. I understand why anyone would have that mindset as stupid as it is nowadays. In the end, one can do one of three things: support their friend, side with everyone else or just stay out of it and avoid the stink.
I met the completionist back in 2014. I really hope he gives the money to the dementia research. If he still has the money its so fixable. I don't even know why he doesn't do anything?
Like everyone else here I've been watching and supporting Jirard for years. If he can't answer these questions before the week is over I'm going to be sad to let that go, but unlike the donations of the last ten years I can't just do nothing.
They said that all the money is still there as a fact, but it isn't. You can clearly see on the tax documents that a good portion of money has been withdrawn. I'm not inclined to believe the statements of his friends that can't even bother looking into the bare minimum of presented information. Either have some form of evidence that proves it's not what it looks like or don't expect people to listen. At the very best, Jirard is so bad at managing his organizations that no one should realistically donate to him if they expect the money to go to good use.
At 30:16 in Mutahar's video, he says from his own mouth that he "reimbursed himself money when applicable" from the charity account. 10 years and not a dollars to charities he claimed to work with all along. All while the charity is spending roughly 30k a year in ambiguous 'expenses'. Trust him bro, the money is still in the charity account waiting to be donated.
Yeah in total its like around 200k-300k has been taken out over the course of these 10 years, and they arent even filing the papers right, you need to sign the papers and give a detailed points on where the money went that paid for the expenses, they just put x amount for expenses and never tell us what the expenses are. Like it doesnt cost 20-30k to do that charity event especially because they had sponsors and had companies literally give them the hardware to play the game, this is fishy and he seems to be actually taking money
Exactly. They have this money that's been doing literally nothing while telling people it's going to a good cause. That's the point, its not helping anyone the way its there now
Eh to honest, some of them have a point. The title says "pocked it", it implies he took the money, which he didn't. There's a dude here in RUclips that did the same clickbait title and put "stolen". The situation is bad enough to be trying to paint it as if he took charity money and use it of himself
@@ErimlRGG right, that's just incorrect. But it's also not great regardless. The money could be there, but it's not benefiting the causes it was believed to be helping. It's not as bad as the clickbait is making it out to be, but we also don't know everything yet either
@@ThePlayer4ourthis is actually incorrect, it's worse than it looks and he could get jail time for charity fraud. At 30:16 in Mutahar's video, Jirard says from his own mouth that he reimbursed himself money out of the charity account "when applicable". He claimed for nearly a decade to be supporting multiple organizations and groups that never got a dime in that ten years. All while the charity spends 20-30k a year roughly in 'expenses' vaguer than a piece of abstract art.
Honestly, he just needs to clear up his reasoning on why it’s just sitting there. 600k is a lot of money to just let sit there, if he was wanting to look for a good charity to donate to he should’ve been more transparent about that. But also he should’ve had that figured out before he started doing those streams. It’s right to call him out because who knows how long it would’ve sat there and now this put him in a position to look even more for a charity.
You dont just sit a decade on more then half a mil. Also the expenses were over 100k lol for what doing some charity streams?! I could buy food for myself, my family and friends for the next 50 years for that amount of money!
8:50 the guy says even ignoring his bias he says he knows jirad didn’t do anything bad, when asked for reasoning, he brings up his friendship with him????
I'm willing to believe he didn't know the money hadn't been donated. It's probably an easier thing to be ignorant towards than we think. BUT He said he found out over a year ago. And he STILL made statements that the money was being donated. THAT'S the problem. He's probably a great dude and didn't intend for any of this. But he decided not to be forthcoming about it when he found out. His friends understandably are defending him ------ but there is no counter that I can think of that would explain why he continued to say his charity was actively donating money when he KNEW it wasn't. I'd like his friends to try and explain that one.
Its quite disappointing how his friends are handling the situation. Sure, its good to defend your friend but its also good to ask questions. The defense of "He's not that type of guy" can be extremely inaccurate. All they should have said is "I hope the money will be distributed to the right charities and things get resolved." But its twitter, one of the most volatile places to be on.
Yep. I get that all one has is belief but not only can you not spell "belief" without "lie" (when it comes to yourself) especially when two gave more physical info than Jirard ever did but at the same time, one should still ask questions if you're that concern about this. Even if it doesn't sound like your business.
so do people really dont know about the debacle that was the fallign out between him and his co-lead at the time? the guy was in pretty much every video of his, to the point jirard had to literaly delete his entire library of years and rebuild it from scratch. now the reason they had a falling out, we dont know, BUT we had rumors at the time talking about jirard simply refused to share the revenue of the videos as HE was the completionist and greg was just a "other joe". but, like i said, rumors. what we do know, is that the guy demanded jirard to remove all videos he was present(which was almost 90%).
@@VentureCAM how does it not, the guy was a a friend he had since they were literal kids, they were best friends. and they had such a massive falling out that the guy demanded jirard to scrub his entire channel at the time. and you know the guy wasnt a dirtbag because he allowed jirard to take a year building his channel back before erasing those videos he was in(which, was basically the entire channel at the time of the break up). so to me, this doesnt change anything in the sense that i always felt how he dealed with that situation to be extremely scummy. but it should change it to people who thinks he is an honest and good person.
People calling jirard a scammer are really taking this to an extreme that it doesn’t need to be. On the other hand people shouldn’t be discrediting Karl and Muta’s video when it’s probably going to be the main reason the money actually ends up in the right place.
He's a scammer. At 30:16 in Mutahar's video, Jirard says from his own mouth that he "reimbursed himself money when applicable" from the charity account. 10 years, $0 dollars to charities he claimed to work with all along, but the charity is spending roughly 30k a year in ambiguous 'expenses'. Trust him, the money is still in the charity account waiting to be donated 10 years later.
@@p_cuda9717 you obviously didn’t watch any of the videos relating to this issue that actually cover it and are just watching the drama videos. If you’re just going to blindly defend some random man on the Internet, good for you. It’s really hard to fuck up for 10 years especially when he already admitted he knew for 2 years. And yes, I will attack someone who lies about donating to a dementia foundation when my family is suffering from it.
Well, all the money isn't sitting there, is it? $125k isn't there. Failing to donate the money you raise for charity is a scam. No matter what. Stop being unreasonable because you like the person. It doesn't mean you have to stop liking them. You can be like... You really completed the SlowRun of Donating money. The dude literally has Amber Heard looking punctual for charity payments. ayowaddafak?
"The money is still sitting in the bank account"... exactly. While claiming it was being donated to a very specific charity. But, best of all... for how much longer was gonna "just sit in the account" if nobody called him out? Something is shady there.
10:37 I really regret Tweeting that, I didn't think my tweet would get as many likes as it did (up to 2K). I know he's handling the money in a really weird way but I really don't want him to be painted as a thief. He deserves some penalizing for lying and sitting on it for so long though.
"I can't do that for you. Only Jirard can give a response to that. But i will tell you Jirard is one of the most caring and genuine people i've ever known, and would absolutely not use his mother's struggle and memory for nefarious purposes." That tweet aged so badly lmao. Turned out Jirard just milking his dead mother for everything: to collect donation, to gain sympathy, to shield himself from criticism. What an absolute scumbag
The thing is, those public documents are NOT a bank statement, so they *might* have pocketed the money but never declared it (which would be an even bigger crime). Hopefully the money is all still there, but you can't say for certain that he 100% didn't pocketed the money.
God I get so triggered watching these videos cause twitter is full of morons, but I just can’t look away from the train wreck that is a popular and loved youtuber getting caught in a scandal
"Admiration is a state furthest away from understanding." - Sosuke Aizen A fitting quote for this situation from a character from my favorite anime Bleach. 😶
I love it when people go "oh they were so good" when its found out somebody is actually awful. They cant accept that their perception is possibly wrong
I have mostly chosen a side but I’ll keep an eye out for what funny completion man says, but I personally think his friends are in denial that this is happening to them, thus why they’re defending him. That is unless they’re also directly associated with the charity, in which case I don’t know how to feel (and should maybe look into this deeper) While SIGNIFICANT evidence was posted against Jirard, I’ll wait to hear both sides out first. Pyro and Kwite were cautionary tales that everyone seemed to forget, even in a different context I’ll at least give the man some time to POTENTIALLY clear things up.
So he didn’t pocket the money nor did he donate it……so he still lied and ALL of his friends are just blatantly looking over the fact he said it “was donated” in the past tense but it wasn’t so he is still a liar and not a thief
I’m not believing the excuse of “he didn’t know” If he didn’t know where 600k went then he is bad at his job and his team is just as incompetent as him and need to be staffed better
My speculation is that Jirard really is more of a face or a figurehead of that organization and does very little with it aside from raise funds. Everybody else manages it and I believe he, as he claimed, had no idea exactly how the funds were being used. He just continued to fundraise and trusted everybody else (his family) to handle that end. That's not malicious. It's negligent, but not some kind of act of pure evil. He obviously screwed up and did not do his own due diligence. I have a feeling we're going to get a statement elaborating on this. That's the best explanation I can come up with for how a universally loved guy could be in this situation. People love their bandwagons and like to assume the worst based on headlines. I appreciate how Karl and Mutahar presented it, factually, and how long they waited for the situation to be fixed. A call to action was definitely needed and they helped spur it. But everybody here is acting as if he's embezzling funds or stealing charity... and he's not doing any of that. So sick of witch hunts. There's a reason we decided a legal court system and a fair trial should exist, because angry mobs are just emotionally reacting fools who aren't interested in hearing the whole story. Witch hunt mobbing has never been a good thing in history. Let's see how it plays out. If he's truly knowingly doing wrong, it WILL be exposed.
cancel culture is to blame honestly. people love to jump to conclusions before hearing both sides of a story. I'm not saying he didn't screw up. there's no way he didn't here. but people need to chill out and not be at the ready to immediately turn on someone the moment any news comes out. its like they enjoy it
@imustbeboreddd People forget that humans make mistakes. Big ones. We all do, it's just that most of us don't have spotlights on us. There's nothing to cancel and the only people who know about our mistakes are those who know us and understand that it was a mistake. Cancel culture believes content creators are gods and should be infallible. They aren't. But they forget the difference between mistakes and malice. Mistakes can be forgiven. Malice is a lot more difficult. We know a (negligent) mistake happened here. We don't know that malice happened. And if it did, there's the possibility it happened unknowingly to Jirard from people he trusted. Drama is fun and all, and the sense of superiority that comes from canceling someone who makes mistakes (that all humans make) can be like a drug to some. I'd rather just reserve judgment until I hear what Jirard says. He deserves a chance to respond. I have a feeling he's dealing with a lot of family drama right now as they were likely not all on the same page with how the charity was supposed to operate. But this is speculation presenting one possible way in which Jirard is not automatically a villain.
"He has plenty of money, there's no way he'd do something immoral to get more!" Meanwhile millionaires and billionaires slowly backing into the bushes. And it's so dumb seeing ProJared saying shit about the video with him clearly not having watched it. Especially after what he went through.
I love how RUclipsrs use the “as someone who knows X” card in the face of credible evidence. If anything, being friends with that person shows bias in favor of them and saying that is just a manipulative appeal to emotion.
I can see how this might be an honest fuck up. Not a mistake since those are unintentional, but I could see why he might hold the money and believe it to be a good thing. What I don't understand is why he couldn't simply inform his fan base and work out what to do with the money with them. Refund it or request some help with finding a charity.
"I can see how this might be an honest fuck up." The problem is in that he ran a another charity stream this year despite supposedly knowing for the last 2 years that the money wasn't going to any charity. That's not a fuck up no matter which way you slice it.
@@DisplayThisOkay With the bigger issue being he promised every cent would go to charity and yet $100K was taken from the total for "expenses". Open hand is just a fundraiser, it shouldn't have expenses. Everything equipment and space wise was donated to it.
We already heard from Jirard on Muta’s video. He says he messed up and is willing to “take the L”. So yeah, this did happen and there was no justifiable reason for it. We don’t need to wait for his public response, we already got his side of the story.
Please let us not forget that "Administrative cost" generally includes events to gather funds, and also the administrative side of managing and sending out funds. Their charity "expenses" could technically be related to Indieland, employees, editors, but that should be broken down instead of simply being "expenses" and they've taken out funds without actually handling the managing (+ finding charities) and sending out part. They claim that they've made donations to an University and quoted a message from a Dean that was fired 7 years before their charity started andJirard said that "money will go to X & Y" while he didn't intend to donate funds to X&Y - which has to be illegal. You cannot say "all money will go to help the Saint Claire's Orphanage" and next "We couldn't really find an orphanage that we felt will use the funds in the right way". Also the quote from the Dean doesn't have anything to do with the charity hence - why is it there? It's crazy misleading. There are some potential reasons: 1. They have already withdrawn the funds and hoped that they can simply put money back into the charity account when called out (stupid and malicious + illegal). 2. Jirard has been negligent and his brother couldn't be bothered to manage the charity in any way (simply stupid and quite likely illegal) 3. Charity idea was simply an afterthought for new content that he could monetize on YT while building connections with ppl who wouldn't usually get in touch with him if it wasn't for the charity .. I don't believe the YT revenue for Indieland was added to the charity & haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure that the charity only took in funds from the donations, not Jirard's YT ad revenue. (kinda smart in terms of money, but really bad considering the reason why they started the charity + still stupid for not actually making the donations which makes it likely illegal) I bet there are more explanations but these 3 are ones that make the most sense to me. Maybe the 2nd and 3rd option have a chance of them being able to make the donations ASAP and once IRS does an audit then they might get off with a slap on the wrist fine. If it's the 1st one then I'd imagine jail time (but considering his public image & channel success, I don't imagine that he was that stupid to go through with it, hence I think reasons 2 and 3 are more likely)
Dark Phantom's Tweet at about 11:00 Going from start the start to finish on these series of Jirard videos so it might be covered already; he's the NPC from Sea of Stars and his NPC since then has been removed as of a few days ago.
I mean IF the money is just sitting in an account I suppose theres not much harm that has been done but I can see it coming out that someone's been syphoning that cash. I wouldnt say the completionist is a bad person for taking the money but I'd say he made several poor decisions: 1. Your face and name is connected to this so even if you don't know every small detail u need to be getting regular updates with proof of whats going on to CYA should some fuck shit happen you can say "I got regular updates and trusted the person giving them to me heres proof and I oversee several other projects so being boots on the ground monitoring every last thing isn't feasible." 2. He really should not be making claims he isn't 100% sure of he claimed to not know until recently about the money not going anywhere but confidently stated where it was going that opens you up to so much legal liability So after seeing all of this I don't think he is a bad person only that he made bad decisions and wasn't honest about it for fear of something like this. Going forward tho he needs to donate that money to an organization quickly provide evidence of doing so and either make a commitment to having donated the money within 1 fiscal year or start stating that they save the money up to a certain amount and then donate it in big chunks.
Yeah he didn’t pocket, but he also didn’t donate it. Which the whole point of charity. Also even if he donated it right now, it would raise the question as to why he didn’t do that before he got exposed.
I mean, he paid himself/family out over $100k in "administrative expenses" without the organization accomplishing anything. He didn't go buy himself a yacht, but someone's making money.
This reminds me of my swim school organization. In the first week of October they bought a large box in and slapped a paper sheet explaining, "Please donate new or still fresh looking costumes, we'll give them to kids in foster homes this Halloween". So I found 2 from my kiddos previous year and made the donation. Other families followed.. I had expected the big box to disappear during the last week of October... It didn't happen. I then when taking my child in to their lesson on November, the box with all the costumes was still sitting there. It frustrated me, they broke their promise.
If he did it was his family that did it. The founder of the open hand foundation is his family. So yeah money just sitting there looks very bad for him. And why would he start raising funds before making sure the funds would go to right place? He was asking them where to donate the money but he should have that sorted out before starting it.
If you know any of background drama released around his talks with razorfist and G4 revival you would know it is all a bullshit front. He is virtue signaling scum like the rest of them.
The only possible reason there could have been to hold the money is if they were trying to make a donation setup that generates a signification amount of yearly interest that gets donated, but there was absolutely no indication that was ever a plan. And given recent inflation, a fair good bit of the value was lost in that big lump sum donation.
This is a rare occurrence where someone fucked up badly but can absolutely fix it. I'll wait until the Completionist donates or not to finalize my thoughts. For now, it's extremely bizarre he didn't do anything with the money, though. However, I think he's very stupid.
@@BBWahoo10 years have been wasted, he just completed another charity stream lying about working with different orgs and there's 125k missing in admin fees when they haven't "administrated" anything...if that's not in the red then I doubt he could do any wrong in your eyes dude...
@@Wailingllama dude $10k a year in admin fees is a normal expense for charities. It was a stupid decision but if you're saying that this was intentional fraud, you're trying a bit too hard to grab the pitchfork. Chill and wait to decide until after he releases a statement of his own.
@@Wailingllama Oh no, that's not what I'm implying. He's absolutely suspicious, if he explains himself, including explaining his brothers position, there is a high likelihood he's going to incriminate himself. I learned from ProJared that jumping to conclusions might also be damaging, but to the accusers and not the accused. 120k is a lot of money, so I'm just waiting for him to slip up even further, or throw a hail mary and find a way to explain the situation.
He said he was donating the money, they weren't. 10 years of research funding gone. Even if you give "the benefit of the doubt" these two things are damning enough.
What people are missing out which is a HUGE piece of context from Karl Jobst is that the whole time he was listing off organizations he was donating to, when the money has literally been sitting there the whole time. This wouldnt be such a problem if he was transparent about holding onto it in the first place
Yeah i when I was watching that vid I kept wondering if anyone had asked where exactly the money was being donated to and then when they played the clips of him saying it was going to these specific places, that's pretty damning
@@Shyknit I watched the Karl Jobst video and SOG and Karl confronted him about him claiming what charities he was donating to. In the call he claimed that he was surprised himself that the money wasn't moving and was unhappy with it. The thing is that call happened ~1 year ago and after the call he was still straight up saying that he was donating to all of those charities again after supposedly being made aware that the money wasn't moving at all.
yeah jirad just plain lied. there's not really anything more to it.
also the reporting doesn't really mean that the money is still there in their account. it just means the organization owns or is owed that amount of money.
but that's beside him lying. dude just lies.
@@lasskinn474here is the thing as well, him just lying about it is charity fraud, as he knew that it was a lie and still claimed in his live streams for the event that the money was going to these organizations which it wasn't and he knew damn well the money was still in the account, and he was using 10-15k for expenses each year, which is way to much, especially considering he has partnerships with game companies and pc companies who provide him with all the games and the pc's that can run the games, and he films it all in his own studio, and owns the filming equipment. and the furniture is owned by him.
"We are raising ONE MILLION DOLLARS to help with FTD. We just want to make one donation to put it to the best use."
That's all it would have taken all those years.
The Completionist is sure taking an awful long time to complete this charity donation.
Like Mr Cynical taking a long time for an explanation on the “child prostitute from Thailand” incident.
@@DjDeadpig😳
@@robertwesley7332let’s just say Mr Cynical is an awful human being who has been able to get away with what he has done under the banner of “trolling” and is a known loliphile.
@@DjDeadpig the fucking WHAT
Yeah, dude makes Amber Heard look like a speed runner in Charity payments compared to him. That's gotta be bad.
He has to complete the jail achievement to be a true completionist
Jail for what
@@justaguywithapowerpole embezzlement
@@justaguywithapowerpolecharity fraud
@@JVM485So you have proof he embezzled it? Show it.
@@QuillStrokecharity fraud
I could say this is reasonable if it were a 1 to 2 year wait cause there might have been complications, but 9 YEARS is just unacceptable
criminal neglect hopefully? i feel so bad for all the people donating, thinking their contribution actually made a difference. holy moly
I mean, to be fair, he said during his interview with the guys who broke this story that he's only been directly involved with trying to find an appropriate charity to donate it to as of last year. I don't really know what sort of work you need to put into figuring something like that out, but I do know that he's a busy guy who spends a lot of his time working on his videos. I'm not going to absolve him of any wrongdoing -- but at the very least, I don't think that what's happened here was done maliciously or with any intent to take the money for himself. Obviously the right answer would have been to bring someone experienced in to handle the more complicated aspects of the foundation's issues, but again, this is just an outside perspective from someone who has no experience with that end of things running a charity.
@@Counterattack87 the problem is that, even if we assume he hasn’t been able to find a charity since last year, he still lied on this year’s charity event saying that the donations would be used for charity when weren’t. He knew the money wasn’t going to charity and withheld that information for a year
Sounds like his brother "ran" the family charity that this money went to and Jirard only learned last year of the money not being distributed from his charity to the other charities. He needs to explain the last year and not make excuses for his brother.
@biospark4758 100% true. Some things worth considering: Jirard runs a fairly large charity event that takes a lot of planning and coordinating with hundreds of people. He learns that things with the charity aren't going as expected, but despite this, believes that ultimately, the money will still end up where it needs to either via direct involvement or otherwise. Do you cancel the upcoming fundraising event, losing any time and money invested into it? Do you hold the event and tell everyone that the money hasn't moved, knowing that it's going to do harm to your reputation, as well as the charitys and those who are and have been involved? Or do you continue moving forward with the intent to continue to raise money that you believe will ultimately be appropriately handled, making good on what you'd set out to do?
I'm not saying he made the right choice or even the best choice, but it's clearly not an easy question.
I think it's best to wait for more information to come out before getting the picthforks.
To me the whole problem is Jirard saying he "discovered" the money was sitting in the bank account since 2021, but still asking for donations and saying the money is going straight to the dementia organizations after the fact.
Also, did anyone did the math to know if the money is losing value by just sitting in the bank account due to inflation? I'm shit at math, so I can't do it.
you dont need to do the math to know that over the course of 10 years it is absolutely losing value due to inflation. this is why holding cash in a bank account is a horrible long term strategy.
Also he keeps naming charities that Open Hands supports, so if he’s “looking for worthy charities” either dump all the money to the people you claim to have been supporting, that you never have, or stop bringing them up. He’s happy to say “Open Hands supports X” but they apparently aren’t actually worthy of the money?
@@jzcryptoalso losing out on the main thing it would be paying for: helping increase research and awareness to find a cure or help for dementia
Also he spent 125k from the donations on"expenses" .
I don't know how these people can't see that the "At least he didn't spend the money" defense being used is still a terrible defense. Sure, it would be worse if he spent it all on himself, but the fact that the money hasn't been spent at all doesn't suddenly mean the money has been spent on charity.
Worse, his entire justification is because he's worried about the integrity of charity organizations, yet he apparently didn't do the due diligence of looking into the integrity of the Open Hand Foundation? As everyone else has already stated, all the accounting information is publicly available. If the crux of Jirard's argument relies on his party doing due diligence to ensure the money will be spent correctly, how the fuck did he miss this negligence until just a year ago, and why has he still lied about it up until now?
If he was genuinely a nice person who genuinely wanted to do right by donors, he would've publicly addressed everything for the sake of transparency when he found out, not lie about it until someone else finds out about it a year later.
Because those ppl are idiots.
Also why in gods name does the guy make a charity stream if he has no one to give the money to?!
Wtf were they thinking!?!?!?
The people saying "he made a mistake" are just really desperate to not realize he's being shady.
But he did spend some of the money. $100K of it. The rest was just a nest egg it seemed.
I think a lot of Twitter users that are defending Jirard are missing the fact that regardless of the reasons why he's holding the money, this is still charity fraud. I like the completionist too and don't think Jirard is a bad guy per se, but you cannot under any circumstances advertise raising money with the purpose of giving it to charity and just hold the money. Beyond that he has held all the money for EVERY year he held this charity event and said nothing.
TL;DR Being cancelled is the least of his problems for intentional/unintentional charity fraud.
In defense of projared, the man's had a lot of shit thrown his way, so I don't blame him for not initially believing his friend is a scammer
@@goofygoob420
It is what it is, I'm not gonna harp on Projared wanting to defend a friend, but he really should have watched the video before tweeting that the video was one sided and didn't have Jirard's side of the story.
@@ricoanderson6626 too be fair we haven't GOTTEN his side yet so gonna have to wait for that, but from what I've seen in recent interviews, doesn't look good
@@goofygoob420 I don't think it really matters what his reasons were. He is facing a criminal record if this gets to the IRS. This is a tax fraud by definition, withholding information and lying to people.
@@goofygoob420his side is moot, the law will come for him like it comes for Mafia bosses. The IRS is slow and sloppy, but someone is eyeing one huge bonus right now flailing about like a headless chicken
LOVE how all these people are like "He's a close friend and so nice" but never offer the same benefit of the doubt whenever somebody else says the exact same thing
“He is not pocketing money!”
So what would you call it when someone is given money and doesn’t spend it where he says he will but instead keeps it for nearly 10 years? Sounds a lot like pocketing to me.
Who wants to bet that most of Jirards friends haven't actually watched the videos calling him out because honestly, it's hard to defend him when you watch them. Also I hate how many of them go on about how nice he is to them, yeah because he's your friend, of course he's gonna be nice to you.
Projared definitely didn't, but I think antdude probably did cause his response seems more measured
Let ms tell you this, he did his charity event this year and said it was going to charities which we know isnt the case, so he actually commited charity fraud since he lied about where the money was going and got people to still donate because the donators thought the money was going places and not just collecting dust in the companys back account.
Jirard admits to 'reimbursing himself money when applicable' from the charity account at 30:16 in Mutahar's video. 0 dollars in 10 years to charities he claimed to work with all along. Charity spending 30k a year roughly on 'expenses'.
@@simon123222
So you're telling me you need 0$ to set up and fund a charity?
@@carcinogen60yearsago
So you're telling me you need various 'expenses' to set up and fund a charity that allegedly has yet to make a charitable donation within its existence of ~9 years while still actively doing fund-raising?
Gotta love how so many large content creators were arguing a point that wasn't made by Karl and Muta. Dexerto really caused a lot of damage with that headline.
People who defend him are sickening, always avoiding the facts and only saying he's innocent by saying "He's a Kind friend of mine" or some bullcrap...
IKR he committed fraud, hes a literal fraud.
I don't blame them for wanting to beleive their freind is a good person. I would stupidly do the same. BUT
It doesn't change the fact that the open hand is shady and even if jirrard comes out on top and is still a good boy. How can I trust charity if I associate charity with the shady open hand.
People aren't dumb for defending jirrard or evil but they are blind and emotionally biased. But freinds don't make good defenses lawyers do.
Jirrard is responsible one way or another the question is how bad is he.
@@somedorkydude6483 Him acting so nice could just be a front to make him look like a good person, IMO
Who the fuck cares if their friend is "good" and why would that matter? False equivalence.
@@dankhill6851I'm tired of people overusing and using the word fraud under the wrong context
But this is literally the textbook definition of fraud so I'm not complaining this time
I believe he's completely innocent because all these youtubers keep telling me "He's such a kind person"
Don’t trust youtubers
I’m quite sure charcoal6099 was being sarcastic.
His friends are delusional
His friends are inhaling copium
Lmao Jared the fan groomer of course went to defense immediately.
Honestly, the most confusing and disappointing part of this is that Jirard didn't immediately go and post a video explaining the situation when he allegedly found out the money hadn't moved back in 2022. He always seemed to be pretty transparent about his screw-ups, and I would have expected he'd come clean about it and present a game plan to rectify the situation fairly quickly.
Because this isn't just a 'screw up". This could land him in legal hot water. That and he's most likely not going to make a video explanation until he has actually donated the funds to charities. If what he said previously was true, he's likely trying to find the right ones now. There's always more than one side to these stories. Let's wait to see what he says.
Did Kwite immediately respond to his grape allegation? No, he needed to get his carp in order.
Yeah, that's the worse part, trying to hide the mismanagement. I actually don't believe that he just found out until "recently" (i think he said 2021, not 2022) but if that's the case with his call it just confirms that he just wants to make sure he doesn't look bad in this, giving the money to the correct place seems to be a secondary priority. Him saying "I don't want to donate it right now because it will look as if I'm trying to do damage control" is so telling of his priorities. If he really cared that much for the cause he would take the L, eat his ego and say he will right his wrong and donate the money as fast as possible to a decent enough (or a couple of) places where they will actually use the money for good and just have it sitting there losing value.
@@ErimlRGG Naw dude. Don't automatically assume what he meant. It's easy to have bias in these situations and we're not always correct in that bias. Let the man speak for himself. Also, he was out on the spot and clearly was stressing and just speaking openly about his concerns.
@@TheNoobYouHATE tbh I think holding money from charity and allegations of...that, are 2 different things.
My honest 2 cents, Jirard has enough goodwill that he can comeback from this, but he needs to fully explain everything quickly because that goodwill can only weather so much
I mean, he knew about it in 2022 and still this year he said it was going to the usc dementia and that stuff, and he still talked about it like 3 weeks ago and said the same things, even though he knew it wasnt true, and hes still filing as a private corporation(for this charity event), and he hasnt put where he spent money which most years was 1-3k plus in terms of money doing this each year, corporations supplied them with consoles and other stuff, by doing what he did still saying the money was going places is a crime, its called charity fraud because the money isnt going anywhere. When the charity people promote its going all over the world to fund dementia research which is something a lot of people donated to in memory of their family/friends who died from it and then they find out it was sitting in a account for years just, its not a good thing especially because he was lying when he said it was going places during the 2023 livestreams which he himself runs.
At 30:16 in Mutahar's video, Jirard says from his own mouth that he "reimbursed himself money when applicable" from the charity account. 10 years and not a dollar to charities he claimed to work with all along the way, but the charity is spending roughly 30k a year in ambiguous 'expenses'. I see a jail cell for charity fraud in his future.
You don’t even know who he is
Considering the allegations I think it will be the fucking IRS who will have a final say in this situation
@@simon123222 From the breakdown, it looked like the charity was spending more in the 10-15k range most years. I'm not sure what that money is going toward, exactly, but I do know that it's definitely not enough to live off of or do much with, and that if he was going to steal from the charity, it wouldn't make sense for it to be so little. My best guess is that, given the obvious lack of experience Jirard and his family appear to have when it comes to running a charity, it's likely a lot of those administrative fees are for paying lawyers and (hopefully) consultants for help on running things. All I know is that the money the charity has spent towards running the operation and events (on paper) doesn't really seem like it's an inappropriate amount.
This is why it's so important to look into what you're donating. Transparency matters!
Quite a few shady charities unfortunately
In Mutahar's video, at 30:16, Jirard says that he reimbursed himself money "when applicable" from the charity. You just have to trust him that all the money is still there, 10 years and 0 dollars to charities he claimed to be working with all along. The charity is more than capable of spending 30k a year roughly in 'Expenses' though.
Well, due to the 501c3 filings, we know the money is probably still there. In fact, that's kinda the problem.
The money’s still there, nonprofit finances are public info, that’s kinda the issue, you can publicly look at their charity work and it’s basically “money goes in. No money goes out (except for the streams)”.
you can't compared Open hand with a large scale charity organization. Open hand is pretty much just a fundraiser. They have no employees to pay, and during events they explained the equipment and space was donated so "all the money would go to charity" $100K is gone from the total amount raised for a charity that would have no operating costs. You can even see this on the tax form for 2014 with $0 expenses.
@@Awaken_To_0the 501c3 filings aren't inherently trustworthy since we're talking about government workers looking over them
Only if an audit is done by the IRS or an authorized third party will we know for sure what is what
If all you had to do is write down on paper that you are rich, boy oh boy, the Ferraris I'd buy..
Karl and Muta did a great job of just presenting the facts and showing why its bad. Muta had a bit more emotion about it, but they werent attackkng him. They were asking questions he couldnt answer
Karl seems pretty spot on and his video was very information-based. Kudos to him for not overstepping. Muta seems like a real douchebag. Never seen his stuff prior to last night, but he definitely comes across as someone who hides their own shitty behavior through virtue signaling and painting targets on others.
@@Counterattack87mutas a chill dude but i do feel like he could’ve been less aggressive about it like karl than his usual but it is a big issue so
@@Counterattack87muta is usually a chill guy but he hates it when someone does something bad and doesn't get punished from it,hence why he comes across as aggressive
@@Counterattack87 I watched Muta's video and I thought he did a great job at it.
@@Counterattack87- You might want to watch more of Muta’s videos then, rather than judging the man from impressions you got from one video.
Being a guy who grew up with normalboots in general (mostly PBG and jontron, along with a few others) I actually didnt watch a lot of Jirard's content. But I always had extreme respect for him with how much he cared about charity. With him also being apart of tons of major fundraisers for things like cancer (Specifically with matpat from game theory.)
Knowing Jirard has been sitting on his own charities money turned my whole world upside down when it comes to internet charities and fundraising. And I'm genuinely furious about knowing what he's done. (And no, not that he's pocketing money. But that he's been sitting on said money in general?)
Whole lotta weird people on normalboots, looking back
@@nekolu definitely. Truly I think the biggest name out of them that hasn't been in any serious controversial problems over the last ten years has been PBG. Almost all the others have had at least some form of controversy.
@@VirginStarrrrrPBG has and still is my favorite from NB
@@VirginStarrrrr the pbg controversy is that he doesn’t get involved with controversy. That wouldn’t matter much to me except for the fact that he addresses the controversy by saying he wouldn’t get involved in the controversy, so people immediately start hating in the replies to his tweets. Sometimes turning off twitter is the best thing for everyone to do.
@@nekolu yeah well the people who get mad at him for trying to avoid controversy are just flat out stupid.
Ten years seems an awfully long time to find an appropriate charity or research org.
Scamming people is one thing. Lying about charity is another. Doing both is beyond scummy.
Edit: I’d also like to say to, even if a cent hasn’t been spent, 9 years building up for charity and building up money is really suspicious in my opinion and I have no idea why he would need that money hoarded for years.
Yeah after 9 years you’d think he’d find a charity to donate to that can be trusted
@@dumbbumsc5329 Not to mention he admitted he knew that money was just sitting there doing nothing since last year yet he did another indieland/charity event recently
@@dumbbumsc5329 Again, if you watch the video, Jirard says he wasn't aware of the situation until last year, and given everything else he has going on, the worst you could say is that he's mismanaged the situation. Anything beyond that is an assumption until proven otherwise.
@@Counterattack87 Besides the blatant lying about the money actually going to charities.
Hope it’s just super gross negligence and not anything malicious
it's actually kind of a scam because if you choose to believe he just found out last year, even this year he said that the money went to research and I think again gave the name of the university and made it seem like they are actively helping to the cause, which they haven't yet@@Counterattack87 If people knew the money was just sitting there, no one would donate and the money could actually help someone if they go some place else. It's a very grey area because they it's arguable that they are lying to people
Biggest issue I have is that he mention in the interview that he only found out about money wasn't going anywhere about a year ago. Even if it turns out he was unaware this whole time the money wasn't going anywhere he still kept quite about it and he still told people the money was going somewhere when he did another charity run. I don't know about most people, but if I found out the charity I ran didn't send out any money in more then a decade, I would put any work I was doing on hold until I get this issue fixed, and what's more I would make a public apology instantly telling what I found out and how I will try and fix the massive mistake I made.
Course sense Jared didn't do that and its only when his mistake is called out by someone else, any attempts of him apologizing and getting his side of the story (even if its true he just F-Up) is gonna be taken with a massive grain of salt by a lot of people, cause you got caught with what you did.
10000000% this. I get it, it is sitting and he found out late...but he had 2023 and depending on 2022, also the 2022 one, and still lied/held the truth. Be honest or at least tell people "Hey so, because of background and reasons, this money won't go out immediately and be sitting". Like people maybe donate less, but at least the people who do it, know ahead of time.
10000000% this. I get it, it is sitting and he found out late...but he had 2023 and depending on 2022, also the 2022 one, and still lied/held the truth. Be honest or at least tell people "Hey so, because of background and reasons, this money won't go out immediately and be sitting". Like people maybe donate less, but at least the people who do it, know ahead of time.
Maybe it’s just me, but if I was the face of the foundation- the person actively soliciting donations- I’d be asking which organization the money was going to if I wasn’t handling that aspect of it myself. I find it hard to believe it took eight years for him to look into it. Wasn’t he interested? (Apologies if this is a dumbass question; I just learned about this from Bowblax’s video and am going to watch Muta’s now, so it could be I’m missing some context that the other two videos will make clear.)
@@Brooklyntrash Plus like as the face, sorry but I know I'll get the heat, and do everything to fix this/get the money out asap. Especially with people asking him, I'd immediately admit it or work hard to do something
I think it's more a year ago it was forcibly brought to his attention, so he knows his denial can only go that far back.
10 years and he couldn't find someone to give the money to seriously
I love donating to research about researching good charities.
Not pocketing money for personal use...where did the $125,000 in "expenses" he listed go then? He absolutely scammed people and profited by scamming them.
This is either a fall from grace or he's completely incompetent with charity money. Either way, it's bad, but I'd rather he be incompetent with money than pocketing it from a charity that was raised in his mothers name...
So lets boil it down.
In the last 10 years he has raised $780,915 for charity.
He said every cent would go to a specific charity.
Now only $655,520 of it is left. Over $125K has went to expenses, and $0 to charity.
Open hand doesn't pay employees, and has people donate equipment and space for events.
This was a selling point at events by Jirard so he could promise all the money goes to charity.
They should not have expenses, each year should have been like 2014 with no expenses declared.
What is the source for this information?
1: Taxes filed by Open Hand.
2: Jirard literally saying it happened while on a call.
Possible discrepancy can be the tax forms, leading to 3 scenarios.
1: The tax forms were correct, making this look terrible.
2: They lied on the tax forms to make themselves look bad.
3: They lied on the tax forms and this is much worse than it actually is.
Keeping in mind scenario 2 and 3 could lead to criminal charges if reported.
Even scenario 1 can land you in legal hot water. By admitting he knew the money is sitting in the account and continuing to request for donations the very next year claiming he is donating the money while still not doing is fraud.
Also, the "5% rule" is in effect going to land him in legal hot water for sure. You are bound legally to spend 5% yearly on charities from funds raised through your charity, and from his tax forms, that's exactly what he didn't do
"Open hand doesn't pay employees, and has people donate equipment and space for events. This was a selling point at events by Jirard so he could promise all the money goes to charity."
Do you have something to prove that? not saying is a lie, I just would like to have a source
@@GianniLeonhart Well evidence is twofold. The first was him during the events saying each cent would go to charity, and giving specifically those reasons why. The second is on the tax forms. If you scroll down on most of them the expenses are itemized. Employee payments and equipment cost is 0. They just claim miscellaneous expense.
I wonder if Jirard understands the irony in that being so hesitant to give money to charities that would spend too much of it on administrative costs as he claimed, he seemingly made a charity that ONLY spends money on administrative costs, like at least charities with high executive compensation at least sometimes do something for their cause, Open Hand Foundation has literally done nothing but pay administrative costs and take money away from other charities that could've done at least something with the money
I'm really glad you pointed this out. Up to now I haven't come across anyone that has pointed it out. In using charity donations for administrative costs', Open Hand Foundation became what he didn't want to donate to. In withholding the money, Open Hand Foundation became something worse.
Bro really 100% completed his career. Hate to see that
Somewhere in the world, Greg Wilmot is laughing his ass off right now.
Greg got kicked out by this greedy idiot. Ive been trying to tell people for years but no one seems to listen
dude is probably at the top of the highest building he could find, yelling with all his might: BEAR!
Turns out, the legend came back briefly to Reddit and explained this was the reason he left all those years ago
He’s doing well off the grid with his wife and two kids, and is just thankful he had the foresight to see this coming
It's weird how so many people seem more worried about defending the completionist rather than just fairly pushing back against the sensationalized headline claim that "he was pocketing all the donated money", but also really highlighting the critiques of his handling of the situation and what is at best severe negligence if we are to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I get that Dexerto had a really shitty headline that should be criticized but all those people tweeting in the middle of the video seems more interested in vouching for the completionist with the criticisms of the money being left to collect dust for 10 years being an afterthought.
Karl just released a response video. The gloves come of in this one. I glad this channel archives Twitter comments before there are gone.
JonTron gets thrown in the trash by Twitteroids for making some frankly nothing-burger "politically incorrect" tweets but otherwise has no scandals. Meanwhile, the Completionist has this reputation of being le heccin wholesome and all that gets himself into is this charity scam controversy. Lol.
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." -Harvey Dent
Stop that is so cringe
@@Rooster_Ricyour existence is cringe
@@Rooster_Ric "I used to think my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it's a comedy." - The Joker
Honestly I couldn't help but think the same exact quote when I heard about this.
@@derekrequiem4359"poo poo pee pee" herobrian
The filings say the money is there but isn’t even signed by an accountant so it’s basically just a trust me bro situation
my favorite part about every vs video now is the opera gx cameo I don't know why but just seeing their username come up makes me laugh
I really hope that all of those RUclipsrs who are defending TheCompletionist (especially AntDude and GillytheKid) are innocent and just having a hard time accepting that someone like Jirard would ever commit charity fraud. It would break my heart if they were simply trying to cover his ass because they played a role in this whole debacle as well. I mean, seeing TheCompletionist get exposed like this is bad enough; I *really* don’t want to lose any more RUclipsrs that I highly respect and enjoy.
If it turns out THEY'RE in on this whole thing and it was on purpose the whole time
I'm actually gonna fucking end it
@@cherricake1796 Please don’t.
From the looks of it, it's probably just that: denial. As weak an argument as this is, Jirard was friends with these people and just want to believe that this is all just one big misunderstanding and maybe the Court will clear this all up about this whole thing. I understand why anyone would have that mindset as stupid as it is nowadays.
In the end, one can do one of three things: support their friend, side with everyone else or just stay out of it and avoid the stink.
I met the completionist back in 2014. I really hope he gives the money to the dementia research. If he still has the money its so fixable. I don't even know why he doesn't do anything?
Like everyone else here I've been watching and supporting Jirard for years. If he can't answer these questions before the week is over I'm going to be sad to let that go, but unlike the donations of the last ten years I can't just do nothing.
They said that all the money is still there as a fact, but it isn't. You can clearly see on the tax documents that a good portion of money has been withdrawn. I'm not inclined to believe the statements of his friends that can't even bother looking into the bare minimum of presented information.
Either have some form of evidence that proves it's not what it looks like or don't expect people to listen.
At the very best, Jirard is so bad at managing his organizations that no one should realistically donate to him if they expect the money to go to good use.
At 30:16 in Mutahar's video, he says from his own mouth that he "reimbursed himself money when applicable" from the charity account. 10 years and not a dollars to charities he claimed to work with all along. All while the charity is spending roughly 30k a year in ambiguous 'expenses'. Trust him bro, the money is still in the charity account waiting to be donated.
Yeah in total its like around 200k-300k has been taken out over the course of these 10 years, and they arent even filing the papers right, you need to sign the papers and give a detailed points on where the money went that paid for the expenses, they just put x amount for expenses and never tell us what the expenses are. Like it doesnt cost 20-30k to do that charity event especially because they had sponsors and had companies literally give them the hardware to play the game, this is fishy and he seems to be actually taking money
I never expected he'd try to pocket it. That's not the point. He has it SITTING. DOING NOTHING. His friends are outta touch.
Exactly. They have this money that's been doing literally nothing while telling people it's going to a good cause. That's the point, its not helping anyone the way its there now
Eh to honest, some of them have a point. The title says "pocked it", it implies he took the money, which he didn't. There's a dude here in RUclips that did the same clickbait title and put "stolen". The situation is bad enough to be trying to paint it as if he took charity money and use it of himself
@@ErimlRGG right, that's just incorrect. But it's also not great regardless. The money could be there, but it's not benefiting the causes it was believed to be helping. It's not as bad as the clickbait is making it out to be, but we also don't know everything yet either
@@ThePlayer4ourthis is actually incorrect, it's worse than it looks and he could get jail time for charity fraud. At 30:16 in Mutahar's video, Jirard says from his own mouth that he reimbursed himself money out of the charity account "when applicable". He claimed for nearly a decade to be supporting multiple organizations and groups that never got a dime in that ten years. All while the charity spends 20-30k a year roughly in 'expenses' vaguer than a piece of abstract art.
Honestly, he just needs to clear up his reasoning on why it’s just sitting there. 600k is a lot of money to just let sit there, if he was wanting to look for a good charity to donate to he should’ve been more transparent about that. But also he should’ve had that figured out before he started doing those streams. It’s right to call him out because who knows how long it would’ve sat there and now this put him in a position to look even more for a charity.
You dont just sit a decade on more then half a mil.
Also the expenses were over 100k lol for what doing some charity streams?!
I could buy food for myself, my family and friends for the next 50 years for that amount of money!
8:50 the guy says even ignoring his bias he says he knows jirad didn’t do anything bad, when asked for reasoning, he brings up his friendship with him????
surprised to see this video
I never expected to see my guy get in any trouble.
"Wait for his response" bruh he literally responded within the video 😂 and admitted to tons of things the only thing we're waiting for is action
I swear every time something bad happens twitter manages to be as ignorant and hateful as possible
I'm willing to believe he didn't know the money hadn't been donated. It's probably an easier thing to be ignorant towards than we think.
BUT
He said he found out over a year ago.
And he STILL made statements that the money was being donated.
THAT'S the problem.
He's probably a great dude and didn't intend for any of this.
But he decided not to be forthcoming about it when he found out.
His friends understandably are defending him ------ but there is no counter that I can think of that would explain why he continued to say his charity was actively donating money when he KNEW it wasn't.
I'd like his friends to try and explain that one.
The fact that Keemstar had some of the more reasonable tweets on the subject shows just how dark and messed up this timeline is.
Its quite disappointing how his friends are handling the situation. Sure, its good to defend your friend but its also good to ask questions. The defense of "He's not that type of guy" can be extremely inaccurate. All they should have said is "I hope the money will be distributed to the right charities and things get resolved." But its twitter, one of the most volatile places to be on.
Yep. I get that all one has is belief but not only can you not spell "belief" without "lie" (when it comes to yourself) especially when two gave more physical info than Jirard ever did but at the same time, one should still ask questions if you're that concern about this. Even if it doesn't sound like your business.
I don't think he's completely at fault but RUclips gave me trust issues with nice/kind people.
Damn… starting to think everyone has skeletons in their closet
so do people really dont know about the debacle that was the fallign out between him and his co-lead at the time? the guy was in pretty much every video of his, to the point jirard had to literaly delete his entire library of years and rebuild it from scratch.
now the reason they had a falling out, we dont know, BUT we had rumors at the time talking about jirard simply refused to share the revenue of the videos as HE was the completionist and greg was just a "other joe". but, like i said, rumors.
what we do know, is that the guy demanded jirard to remove all videos he was present(which was almost 90%).
@@marcosdheleno how does that change anything
@@VentureCAM how does it not, the guy was a a friend he had since they were literal kids, they were best friends. and they had such a massive falling out that the guy demanded jirard to scrub his entire channel at the time.
and you know the guy wasnt a dirtbag because he allowed jirard to take a year building his channel back before erasing those videos he was in(which, was basically the entire channel at the time of the break up).
so to me, this doesnt change anything in the sense that i always felt how he dealed with that situation to be extremely scummy. but it should change it to people who thinks he is an honest and good person.
People calling jirard a scammer are really taking this to an extreme that it doesn’t need to be. On the other hand people shouldn’t be discrediting Karl and Muta’s video when it’s probably going to be the main reason the money actually ends up in the right place.
He's a scammer. At 30:16 in Mutahar's video, Jirard says from his own mouth that he "reimbursed himself money when applicable" from the charity account. 10 years, $0 dollars to charities he claimed to work with all along, but the charity is spending roughly 30k a year in ambiguous 'expenses'. Trust him, the money is still in the charity account waiting to be donated 10 years later.
Why is your first thought to defend something like this?
@@p_cuda9717 you obviously didn’t watch any of the videos relating to this issue that actually cover it and are just watching the drama videos. If you’re just going to blindly defend some random man on the Internet, good for you. It’s really hard to fuck up for 10 years especially when he already admitted he knew for 2 years. And yes, I will attack someone who lies about donating to a dementia foundation when my family is suffering from it.
Well, all the money isn't sitting there, is it? $125k isn't there. Failing to donate the money you raise for charity is a scam. No matter what. Stop being unreasonable because you like the person. It doesn't mean you have to stop liking them. You can be like... You really completed the SlowRun of Donating money. The dude literally has Amber Heard looking punctual for charity payments. ayowaddafak?
@@p_cuda9717 I would suggest you go research situations before commenting on them, it makes you look kind of ignorant.
"The money is still sitting in the bank account"... exactly. While claiming it was being donated to a very specific charity. But, best of all... for how much longer was gonna "just sit in the account" if nobody called him out?
Something is shady there.
This is fraud surely? It's 600K. Over 10 years. Surely he intended to withdraw the money eventually.
10:37 I really regret Tweeting that, I didn't think my tweet would get as many likes as it did (up to 2K). I know he's handling the money in a really weird way but I really don't want him to be painted as a thief. He deserves some penalizing for lying and sitting on it for so long though.
It was funny af though lol.
And congrats for making it here.
He is a greedy thief unless he explains everything
@@Blueflag04 I believe him being greedy and stubborn, but Idk about thief yet, until proven otherwise this feels like stupidity and incompetence.
The internet is now just millions of people talking to no one
"I can't do that for you. Only Jirard can give a response to that. But i will tell you Jirard is one of the most caring and genuine people i've ever known, and would absolutely not use his mother's struggle and memory for nefarious purposes."
That tweet aged so badly lmao.
Turned out Jirard just milking his dead mother for everything: to collect donation, to gain sympathy, to shield himself from criticism. What an absolute scumbag
The thing is, those public documents are NOT a bank statement, so they *might* have pocketed the money but never declared it (which would be an even bigger crime). Hopefully the money is all still there, but you can't say for certain that he 100% didn't pocketed the money.
God I get so triggered watching these videos cause twitter is full of morons, but I just can’t look away from the train wreck that is a popular and loved youtuber getting caught in a scandal
These mfs with their parasocial attachment to some youtuber that is clearly a scammer is fucking gold ❤
Thank you for archiving all those reactions!
Oh… this video is just “he said this”, “he responded with this”. Might as well just browse Twitter at this point
"Admiration is a state furthest away from understanding." - Sosuke Aizen
A fitting quote for this situation from a character from my favorite anime Bleach. 😶
Bro was on something.
I love it when people go "oh they were so good" when its found out somebody is actually awful. They cant accept that their perception is possibly wrong
Honestly it hurts knowing that the completionist never donated the money.🐱
nah, he played the donation game, but gave it a rank of: SKIP IT!
I have mostly chosen a side but I’ll keep an eye out for what funny completion man says, but I personally think his friends are in denial that this is happening to them, thus why they’re defending him. That is unless they’re also directly associated with the charity, in which case I don’t know how to feel (and should maybe look into this deeper)
While SIGNIFICANT evidence was posted against Jirard, I’ll wait to hear both sides out first. Pyro and Kwite were cautionary tales that everyone seemed to forget, even in a different context I’ll at least give the man some time to POTENTIALLY clear things up.
Grooming allegations are one thing. Charity fraud with evidence to back it up is another.
So he didn’t pocket the money nor did he donate it……so he still lied and ALL of his friends are just blatantly looking over the fact he said it “was donated” in the past tense but it wasn’t so he is still a liar and not a thief
I’m not believing the excuse of “he didn’t know”
If he didn’t know where 600k went then he is bad at his job and his team is just as incompetent as him and need to be staffed better
My speculation is that Jirard really is more of a face or a figurehead of that organization and does very little with it aside from raise funds. Everybody else manages it and I believe he, as he claimed, had no idea exactly how the funds were being used. He just continued to fundraise and trusted everybody else (his family) to handle that end.
That's not malicious. It's negligent, but not some kind of act of pure evil. He obviously screwed up and did not do his own due diligence. I have a feeling we're going to get a statement elaborating on this. That's the best explanation I can come up with for how a universally loved guy could be in this situation.
People love their bandwagons and like to assume the worst based on headlines. I appreciate how Karl and Mutahar presented it, factually, and how long they waited for the situation to be fixed. A call to action was definitely needed and they helped spur it. But everybody here is acting as if he's embezzling funds or stealing charity... and he's not doing any of that. So sick of witch hunts. There's a reason we decided a legal court system and a fair trial should exist, because angry mobs are just emotionally reacting fools who aren't interested in hearing the whole story. Witch hunt mobbing has never been a good thing in history.
Let's see how it plays out. If he's truly knowingly doing wrong, it WILL be exposed.
cancel culture is to blame honestly. people love to jump to conclusions before hearing both sides of a story. I'm not saying he didn't screw up. there's no way he didn't here. but people need to chill out and not be at the ready to immediately turn on someone the moment any news comes out. its like they enjoy it
@imustbeboreddd People forget that humans make mistakes. Big ones. We all do, it's just that most of us don't have spotlights on us. There's nothing to cancel and the only people who know about our mistakes are those who know us and understand that it was a mistake.
Cancel culture believes content creators are gods and should be infallible. They aren't.
But they forget the difference between mistakes and malice. Mistakes can be forgiven. Malice is a lot more difficult. We know a (negligent) mistake happened here. We don't know that malice happened. And if it did, there's the possibility it happened unknowingly to Jirard from people he trusted.
Drama is fun and all, and the sense of superiority that comes from canceling someone who makes mistakes (that all humans make) can be like a drug to some. I'd rather just reserve judgment until I hear what Jirard says. He deserves a chance to respond. I have a feeling he's dealing with a lot of family drama right now as they were likely not all on the same page with how the charity was supposed to operate. But this is speculation presenting one possible way in which Jirard is not automatically a villain.
Im not reading all of that. He is still greedy for kicking out Greg from the show
"He has plenty of money, there's no way he'd do something immoral to get more!" Meanwhile millionaires and billionaires slowly backing into the bushes.
And it's so dumb seeing ProJared saying shit about the video with him clearly not having watched it. Especially after what he went through.
I know right!?
Projared disappointed me there
Apparently, Jirard gave his charity a completionist rating of "HOARD IT!" 🤷🏻♂️
I love how RUclipsrs use the “as someone who knows X” card in the face of credible evidence. If anything, being friends with that person shows bias in favor of them and saying that is just a manipulative appeal to emotion.
You're telling me bro hasnt found a good charity to donate to in 10 years?
And ppl still try to tell you that its okay because he didnt use the money XD lol
Not only that. He ran another stream this year for more donations despite "learning" that the money was going nowhere two years ago.
And his friends are tyring to defend him
Welp, a lot of these tweets didn't age well.
I can see how this might be an honest fuck up. Not a mistake since those are unintentional, but I could see why he might hold the money and believe it to be a good thing. What I don't understand is why he couldn't simply inform his fan base and work out what to do with the money with them. Refund it or request some help with finding a charity.
"I can see how this might be an honest fuck up."
The problem is in that he ran a another charity stream this year despite supposedly knowing for the last 2 years that the money wasn't going to any charity. That's not a fuck up no matter which way you slice it.
@@DisplayThisOkay With the bigger issue being he promised every cent would go to charity and yet $100K was taken from the total for "expenses". Open hand is just a fundraiser, it shouldn't have expenses. Everything equipment and space wise was donated to it.
It doesn't matter how nice or kind he is. He lied, he was negligent, and therefore committed a crime.
I swear to Christ if Jesse cox turns out to be dodgy I'm gonna cry
Its worth asking some questions about but if there is still there this isn't unsalvageable
People saying its "untouched" haven't realised 16% of the money raised were used in "operation costs" for a non profit organization
We already heard from Jirard on Muta’s video. He says he messed up and is willing to “take the L”. So yeah, this did happen and there was no justifiable reason for it. We don’t need to wait for his public response, we already got his side of the story.
0:08: "A RUclipsr who never gets into controversy".
Looks like PBG is next.
No one cares about his video anymore
"I'm honored to call him a friend" never been in the same room ever
Please let us not forget that "Administrative cost" generally includes events to gather funds, and also the administrative side of managing and sending out funds. Their charity "expenses" could technically be related to Indieland, employees, editors, but that should be broken down instead of simply being "expenses" and they've taken out funds without actually handling the managing (+ finding charities) and sending out part.
They claim that they've made donations to an University and quoted a message from a Dean that was fired 7 years before their charity started andJirard said that "money will go to X & Y" while he didn't intend to donate funds to X&Y - which has to be illegal. You cannot say "all money will go to help the Saint Claire's Orphanage" and next "We couldn't really find an orphanage that we felt will use the funds in the right way". Also the quote from the Dean doesn't have anything to do with the charity hence - why is it there? It's crazy misleading.
There are some potential reasons:
1. They have already withdrawn the funds and hoped that they can simply put money back into the charity account when called out (stupid and malicious + illegal).
2. Jirard has been negligent and his brother couldn't be bothered to manage the charity in any way (simply stupid and quite likely illegal)
3. Charity idea was simply an afterthought for new content that he could monetize on YT while building connections with ppl who wouldn't usually get in touch with him if it wasn't for the charity .. I don't believe the YT revenue for Indieland was added to the charity & haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure that the charity only took in funds from the donations, not Jirard's YT ad revenue. (kinda smart in terms of money, but really bad considering the reason why they started the charity + still stupid for not actually making the donations which makes it likely illegal)
I bet there are more explanations but these 3 are ones that make the most sense to me. Maybe the 2nd and 3rd option have a chance of them being able to make the donations ASAP and once IRS does an audit then they might get off with a slap on the wrist fine. If it's the 1st one then I'd imagine jail time (but considering his public image & channel success, I don't imagine that he was that stupid to go through with it, hence I think reasons 2 and 3 are more likely)
Dark Phantom's Tweet at about 11:00 Going from start the start to finish on these series of Jirard videos so it might be covered already; he's the NPC from Sea of Stars and his NPC since then has been removed as of a few days ago.
I mean IF the money is just sitting in an account I suppose theres not much harm that has been done but I can see it coming out that someone's been syphoning that cash. I wouldnt say the completionist is a bad person for taking the money but I'd say he made several poor decisions:
1. Your face and name is connected to this so even if you don't know every small detail u need to be getting regular updates with proof of whats going on to CYA should some fuck shit happen you can say "I got regular updates and trusted the person giving them to me heres proof and I oversee several other projects so being boots on the ground monitoring every last thing isn't feasible."
2. He really should not be making claims he isn't 100% sure of he claimed to not know until recently about the money not going anywhere but confidently stated where it was going that opens you up to so much legal liability
So after seeing all of this I don't think he is a bad person only that he made bad decisions and wasn't honest about it for fear of something like this. Going forward tho he needs to donate that money to an organization quickly provide evidence of doing so and either make a commitment to having donated the money within 1 fiscal year or start stating that they save the money up to a certain amount and then donate it in big chunks.
"All the money are still there" / "UNTOUCHED" - yeah... minus 125K collectively for annual "administrative expenses".
not coofers, its COUGH-ERS
Yeah he didn’t pocket, but he also didn’t donate it.
Which the whole point of charity.
Also even if he donated it right now, it would raise the question as to why he didn’t do that before he got exposed.
I mean, he paid himself/family out over $100k in "administrative expenses" without the organization accomplishing anything. He didn't go buy himself a yacht, but someone's making money.
This reminds me of my swim school organization. In the first week of October they bought a large box in and slapped a paper sheet explaining, "Please donate new or still fresh looking costumes, we'll give them to kids in foster homes this Halloween". So I found 2 from my kiddos previous year and made the donation. Other families followed.. I had expected the big box to disappear during the last week of October... It didn't happen. I then when taking my child in to their lesson on November, the box with all the costumes was still sitting there. It frustrated me, they broke their promise.
and that's something minor. this is far more grand.
@@marcosdheleno True
It’s odd that Jared jumped to defend Jirard without doing research and after Jirard turned his back on Jared after that whole insident.
It's probably the bias of his situation, knowing people were chomping at the bit to believe his allegations, that makes him defend Jirard
Imho, he always came across as a "good hearted yet naive" kind of guy. I woukdnt be surprised that he got suckered into this.
If he did it was his family that did it. The founder of the open hand foundation is his family. So yeah money just sitting there looks very bad for him. And why would he start raising funds before making sure the funds would go to right place? He was asking them where to donate the money but he should have that sorted out before starting it.
If you know any of background drama released around his talks with razorfist and G4 revival you would know it is all a bullshit front. He is virtue signaling scum like the rest of them.
The only possible reason there could have been to hold the money is if they were trying to make a donation setup that generates a signification amount of yearly interest that gets donated, but there was absolutely no indication that was ever a plan. And given recent inflation, a fair good bit of the value was lost in that big lump sum donation.
"He was nice to me he can't be a lying creep!"
💀💀when you forget the dementia money
I don’t know what being a good friend has to do with this situation.
It's not UNTOUCHED. Administrative fees and operating costs add up over a decade
This is a rare occurrence where someone fucked up badly but can absolutely fix it. I'll wait until the Completionist donates or not to finalize my thoughts. For now, it's extremely bizarre he didn't do anything with the money, though. However, I think he's very stupid.
I agree, he's firmly near the red, but not ON it. I hope he doesn't fumble it, his career depends on it.
@@BBWahoo10 years have been wasted, he just completed another charity stream lying about working with different orgs and there's 125k missing in admin fees when they haven't "administrated" anything...if that's not in the red then I doubt he could do any wrong in your eyes dude...
@@Wailingllama dude $10k a year in admin fees is a normal expense for charities. It was a stupid decision but if you're saying that this was intentional fraud, you're trying a bit too hard to grab the pitchfork. Chill and wait to decide until after he releases a statement of his own.
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Oh no, that's not what I'm implying. He's absolutely suspicious, if he explains himself, including explaining his brothers position, there is a high likelihood he's going to incriminate himself.
I learned from ProJared that jumping to conclusions might also be damaging, but to the accusers and not the accused.
120k is a lot of money, so I'm just waiting for him to slip up even further, or throw a hail mary and find a way to explain the situation.
@@jzcryptoA charity that only his father and brother are running and doesn't pay its employees. So where is the money going?
Funny how he responded in the videos themselves and people are still waiting for his response ...
pbg better not get called out for some shit, he's the last normal boots member who hasn't been called out yet
"He's one of the most kind people ive met" shared 2 tweets and met just once for like 10 mins
Man, this reminds me of that one time when I tried to complete gta in real life.
He said he was donating the money, they weren't. 10 years of research funding gone. Even if you give "the benefit of the doubt" these two things are damning enough.