For some people who are complaining, it's just a tool in my toolbox. I have waited 8 years for this after the initial release of the drummer. Regardless of what the marketing tells you, there is no AI involved, it's just an updated drummer in bass/keyboard form."
@@gregkocis Actually the error is with the gatekeeping here. The buzzword you're speaking about and the claim that there isn't "AI" involved in the session players shows a trend to just call autoregressive large language models "AI" and anything else isn't. From a correct scientific perspective this is bullshit though. Thing is... the last time AI was a big trend was in the 90ies, but at this time many BIG projects (huge invests from DARPA and more) didn't work out as expected so the so called "AI winter" did come and those projects got stopped. Nobody in the field could talk about AI without getting in problems of getting funding. AI was a forbidden term. So many started to talk about "Computer Vision" and "Machine Learning" and such stuff. All this stuff was clearly there and even in end user products for MANY years. When Sam Altman started this marketing stunt called "ChatGPT" which essentially is a LLM tech demo that did work out as a bit to useful to just die immediately... the technology was quite well known for years... most researchers just didn't feel like it is ripe for mass productification. But the ghost was out of the bottle and since the actual names are to weird and arcane for normal people they just called it "AI" in a more Hollywood meaning than ever. And now we are here: People with absolutely no clue who argue that algorithms which clearly are based on artificial intelligence research are put of as "nah that's not AI!" because well... its not ChatGPT.
I believe it is using ai slightly especially when it’s following a specific track. The old drummer would just give a loop that matched the bpm . Maybe I am wrong . I’ve only been using logic for a couple months
You can turn off the left hand on the session keyboardist, do block chords, or even melodic stuff with fills and different ranges and movements, convert to MIDI notes then move the region to the guitar track. You can use the scripter for strumming effects. It works well.
Thank you for the great tip. I looked for it in many forums. This has opened up completely new possibilities for me with the NI tools. Thank you. Great channel.
@@FluxriderTV I've heard some of the best emulators and no, we're still not there. Sometimes single note leads and such can be a bit more convincing, .. but the tell is with the strumming. They still sound like harpsichords to me.
This is great, I was trying to figure out how to do this last night and it wasn’t happening. Seems so obvious when someone else does it haha! Just having the session players follow a chord progression seems to open up ideas on which to build. You don’t get the “wait, play that agin, what are you doing there?” moments but still really useful. I wish there was a way to hum the idea, record it, and then have the session players kind of vibe on that.
Ture. There are many features in Logic that I don't use, like the live loop section. You can experiment and come up with a workflow that suits your needs. Thank you for the comment.
Thanks for the superb content. Is there any hope that LPX will update so that some of the new features will be accessible for INTEL Core users? Whad'ya think?
I don't think they will. Once they set a new minimum requirement that's it. I don't believe there will be any updates to logic X it's now a logic 11 and up from now on.
well, logic doesn't have any guitar players (yet). I do use native instruments, guitars ample sound stuff, and UJAM's guitars. They're all really good, but I guess it depends on what you look for to determine which one is better.
I did a video here on the Full Circle Music channel a while back about all three of these guitars. hope this helps: ruclips.net/video/F2U20bWTX9k/видео.html
I think, for now, you have to input the chords manually in the logic. It would be beneficial to have a feature that allows you to import mini files and extract the chord progressions. Perhaps this could be developed in the future.
Being a musician this is great for writers block and ideas in composing before bringing in musicians 8 bar loops are too robotic while the real deal adds nuance like James Jamerson inprov. and other styles which relies on inprov.
I’m not sure. I was nervous about installing logic pro 11 myself because of other plug-ins maybe not working but it seem to work fine on everything I’ve tested so far.
Thanks for your input. I'll probably use the bass player the most and then use whatever else I use. You don't have to use all the instruments. In fact, everyone's music would sound the same if they did.
The drummer track is super useful when you’re trying to sketch out an idea and can’t sink the time in to actually program drums note by note. You can pump out a rough track, convert to midi and just adjust it later, or use it as a template. It’s a great tool to go from the outline stage to a more fleshed out demo track and has already saved me tons of time. But no, no one is going to be using it as the final cut and leaving it as is on a mastered track.
True, but not everyone plays every instrument. I play drums. I play guitar. I play piano. I play bass, and I also produce, and I use tools that are available to me, and it's good to have other players involved depending on what you're creating.
@@gregkocis Exactly. We are born, we make music, and we die. Somewhere between “once you amplify the sound, you’re cheating” and “push the automatic song-create button, and come back in 5 minutes and pick up your song“ is the reality we’re all sloshing around in. Appreciate the video🫡.
@@gregkocis ….yeah I play all those instruments too….but the cut & paste …drag and drop thing is boring and uninspiring….you really didn’t create anything…..
LOL. Indeed, with some tweaking and/or just using parts of this, I think there are some good things that can be done. I'll probably use the bass player the most.
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For some people who are complaining, it's just a tool in my toolbox.
I have waited 8 years for this after the initial release of the drummer.
Regardless of what the marketing tells you, there is no AI involved, it's just an updated drummer in bass/keyboard form."
Yes, I was wondering what AI is. It's a buzzword these days for everything.
@@gregkocis Even my Grandma is about to slap the word all over her bakery 😀😀😀😀😀
Well, there is AI involved but very restricted. Yes, I look at it as a tool for more effective creative flow.
@@gregkocis Actually the error is with the gatekeeping here. The buzzword you're speaking about and the claim that there isn't "AI" involved in the session players shows a trend to just call autoregressive large language models "AI" and anything else isn't. From a correct scientific perspective this is bullshit though. Thing is... the last time AI was a big trend was in the 90ies, but at this time many BIG projects (huge invests from DARPA and more) didn't work out as expected so the so called "AI winter" did come and those projects got stopped. Nobody in the field could talk about AI without getting in problems of getting funding. AI was a forbidden term. So many started to talk about "Computer Vision" and "Machine Learning" and such stuff. All this stuff was clearly there and even in end user products for MANY years. When Sam Altman started this marketing stunt called "ChatGPT" which essentially is a LLM tech demo that did work out as a bit to useful to just die immediately... the technology was quite well known for years... most researchers just didn't feel like it is ripe for mass productification. But the ghost was out of the bottle and since the actual names are to weird and arcane for normal people they just called it "AI" in a more Hollywood meaning than ever. And now we are here: People with absolutely no clue who argue that algorithms which clearly are based on artificial intelligence research are put of as "nah that's not AI!" because well... its not ChatGPT.
I believe it is using ai slightly especially when it’s following a specific track. The old drummer would just give a loop that matched the bpm . Maybe I am wrong . I’ve only been using logic for a couple months
You can turn off the left hand on the session keyboardist, do block chords, or even melodic stuff with fills and different ranges and movements, convert to MIDI notes then move the region to the guitar track. You can use the scripter for strumming effects. It works well.
Thank you for the great tip. I looked for it in many forums. This has opened up completely new possibilities for me with the NI tools. Thank you. Great channel.
Glad it was helpful!
In another 3 to 5 years I'm expecting these guitar VIs to fool us completely. It's coming
We’re already there.. this is not the best example of it.
Indeed.
@@FluxriderTV I've heard some of the best emulators and no, we're still not there. Sometimes single note leads and such can be a bit more convincing, .. but the tell is with the strumming. They still sound like harpsichords to me.
This is great, I was trying to figure out how to do this last night and it wasn’t happening. Seems so obvious when someone else does it haha! Just having the session players follow a chord progression seems to open up ideas on which to build. You don’t get the “wait, play that agin, what are you doing there?” moments but still really useful. I wish there was a way to hum the idea, record it, and then have the session players kind of vibe on that.
Glad it helped!
And yes, that would be cool. If you could put a melody in and have it formed the cords around that. Perhaps in the future
Use tools to enhance what you do……..or don’t use them if it bothers you so much! I love the new updates.
Ture. There are many features in Logic that I don't use, like the live loop section. You can experiment and come up with a workflow that suits your needs. Thank you for the comment.
Thanks for the superb content. Is there any hope that LPX will update so that some of the new features will be accessible for INTEL Core users?
Whad'ya think?
I don't think they will. Once they set a new minimum requirement that's it. I don't believe there will be any updates to logic X it's now a logic 11 and up from now on.
Oh dear! I can see months of experimenting coming on! Thanks for the heads-up! 😁
You bet!
Thank you for the good video! I'm curious about your opinion.
logic session player vs Kontakt guitar vs toontrack vs ample sound who is winner !?
well, logic doesn't have any guitar players (yet).
I do use native instruments, guitars ample sound stuff, and UJAM's guitars. They're all really good, but I guess it depends on what you look for to determine which one is better.
I did a video here on the Full Circle Music channel a while back about all three of these guitars. hope this helps: ruclips.net/video/F2U20bWTX9k/видео.html
...it still missing a chord track like cubase or st1..to be able to extract chords from any audio file..cubase does this very good...regards
Thanks for your input.
Really great! Thanks. Does anyone ever do video’s of country music anymore?
I think so.
Pretty cool. Thank you.
You're welcome
Can you make a video on finding midi online and using them with session players? I have no clue about music theory... Thanks
I think, for now, you have to input the chords manually in the logic. It would be beneficial to have a feature that allows you to import mini files and extract the chord progressions. Perhaps this could be developed in the future.
You have love Logic.
Thanks
I think its a great tool - it has its uses:
thanks for your comment.
Being a musician this is great for writers block and ideas in composing before bringing in musicians 8 bar loops are too robotic while the real deal adds nuance like James Jamerson inprov. and other styles which relies on inprov.
thanks for your input.
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Great video..
Thank You
Thank you!
You're welcome!
What I did wrong when installed Logic Pro 11 that Kontakt 7 and EWest Opus Orchestra not work?
I’m not sure. I was nervous about installing logic pro 11 myself because of other plug-ins maybe not working but it seem to work fine on everything I’ve tested so far.
Try re-installing them.
I reinstalled and didn't work I found out the Kontakt 6 is working I don`t what is going on. Thanks
@@rafaelhernandez5550 Maybe Kontakt needs to be updated.
Yes, All working great I did the Native Access update actually was the problem and the same with the East West Opus Engine. Thank you very much.
Particularly unsatisfying.
I agree. It sounds so bland, now. But, in a couple of years (if that long) it’s going to sound crazy good. Which is scary.
Use Scaler 2 with this …
@@henningbokelmann I used Chordable in this video ruclips.net/video/sx_ydd3Tcn8/видео.html
They’ve turned Logic into Band In A Box 😂. Fine if you want to make Vapor Wave or cheesy elevator music.
Pro Tools to round off your mix and fine-turn.
Thanks for your input. I'll probably use the bass player the most and then use whatever else I use. You don't have to use all the instruments. In fact, everyone's music would sound the same if they did.
The drummer track is super useful when you’re trying to sketch out an idea and can’t sink the time in to actually program drums note by note. You can pump out a rough track, convert to midi and just adjust it later, or use it as a template. It’s a great tool to go from the outline stage to a more fleshed out demo track and has already saved me tons of time. But no, no one is going to be using it as the final cut and leaving it as is on a mastered track.
@@justsomemincedgarlic Agreed 100%
……or you can learn how to play instruments and record it….boom done.
True, but not everyone plays every instrument. I play drums. I play guitar. I play piano. I play bass, and I also produce, and I use tools that are available to me, and it's good to have other players involved depending on what you're creating.
@@gregkocis Exactly. We are born, we make music, and we die. Somewhere between “once you amplify the sound, you’re cheating” and “push the automatic song-create button, and come back in 5 minutes and pick up your song“ is the reality we’re all sloshing around in. Appreciate the video🫡.
@@gregkocis ….yeah I play all those instruments too….but the cut & paste …drag and drop thing is boring and uninspiring….you really didn’t create anything…..
I already can play an instrument: this is just another instrument which I'll use sometimes. Its a tool, nothing else, and as such its useful.
hahahaha
Indeed
Sounds like shit, welcome to band in the box, Logic Stylee
LOL. Indeed, with some tweaking and/or just using parts of this, I think there are some good things that can be done. I'll probably use the bass player the most.