Technically that is true, for single note playing you can of course obtain any pitch by bending. However exact frets are necessary when exploring the chordal harmony of a new microtonal system as well as the melodic ability to effortlessly and precisely grab the exact desired scale degree of a microtonal scale. Bending techniques and fretless guitars don't give you that kind of exactitude needed for more rigorous exploration. Microtonal frets are also needed if you are going to play in tune with a band other instruments or synths tuned to that alternate system, be it 19 tone, 31 tone or Indian 22.
I had a huge post for you. I'll probably have to slice it into chunks. It's probably better off emailed but it's nothing important - not even remotely important, I guess. I'm a mathematician and had some comments and I'm guessing that they were too long to post. If you'd like, I'll be happy to split it up into smaller parts and repost it. I saved it locally so that I can show you that way if you want. It's up to you. I do warn you, it's a LOT of text. In fact, I've never seen RUclips not post a comment until this one so I'm assuming it's THAT much text.
Lol at the people hating on microtones. They sound inherently out of tune because of the fact that we have been brought up on our own, very different musical scale. Microtonal music includes notes that we have been conditioned to perceive as out of tune.
+Randy Slater - But you have to understand that people think you're arrogant if you like something that doesn't fit what they like... cuz that's not arrogant...
benjamin woodrow I can easily call you musically illiterate, because you think you can define what music is and what it isn't... and you demonstrably did. No one who's actually literate in music would make that kind of mistake. It's not that I'm calling you musically illiterate.. It's that you just demonstrated yourself to be so. That's your problem. And your sarcasm might as well be an open admission that you have no ability to argue the point. Thank you.
The problem I can see here is that the majority of people hear dissonance and cringe. It's just the way our brains are wired. To most, this microtonality just doesn't please most people's sensibilities.
Most people who eat something bitter cringe, so bitter is bad right? People don't like it so it is bad. So no chocolate is good, no coffee acceptable, no barbecued anything tastes good, no brussel sprouts, nothing with any kind of bitter is good because people hate bitter, right?
Respect for doing something new, and for actually doing something as opposed to most of the people leaving comments. Having said that, rock guitar has had 6 strings for 50 years and it will most likely stay that way.
I think this is awesome. I've found microtonality hard to get into because there isn't much out there, not much to listen to, and very hard to find an instrument to play on. I really appreciate pioneers in the field. I think the disparaging comments here are sad. I don't know if any of these people have listened to any of Ron Sword's other videos, but this guy is legit...he clearly knows microtonal music and there are videos of him playing all sorts of different types of music, from music inspired by Indian scales, to metal, to just plain accoustic guitar with unusual scales...I especially love his video of the 22 EDO piece.
And a ton of non-temperate instruments: violin, cello, viola, contrabass, fretless guitar and bass, trombone, sitar, there's even other kinds of microtonal guitar (not non-temperate except for the fretless) and 2 kinds of microtonal pianos as far as I've seen, one is called Seaboard I believe, check it out.
***** Yeah, these instruments are great because once you can solidly hear the microtonal intervals, these instruments are as good at playing them as they are at any system! I also find that (french) horn, my first main instrument, is good for microtonal music because you can easily bend the pitch a whole tone or more up or down using your right hand in the bell. Still, learning to hear the intervals can be a lot of work. I have to work on one tuning system at a time, I'm currently working on 31-ET, and it's a challenge.
At the time I knew of the fruits of Ervin Wilson's work and of course the obvious idea that there must be "more" diatonic-like scales with interesting harmonics in the scale in various equal temperaments..... but this video documented the moment when I was exposed to some things I hadn't gotten to yet... like the co-prime grid, the scale-tree, Erv's keyboards and xylo designs- (He made a 53-tone bosanquet board with the late Moog)....I was a kid in a candy store. It really captures a time I am very thankful for. I met Erv the next day after this was filmed...
This stuff goes way back. Check out, composer Harry Partch, and guitarist Jon Catler, who has all sorts of just intonation guitars and compositions. Took a lesson once from him, he showed us a piece on his 64 note per octave guitar. I actually have one of his guitars, 36 note per octave. Wrote a piece on it for one of our cds.
Amazing sounds. Quick question: what was that instrument used to generate the 12 non ET scale sounds at minute 6:10 of the video and where do I get one?
surprised at the slew of negative comments. I was very surprised by this video. I'm aware of Partch and Carlos microtonal work, but this is kind of cooler because it is less academic and more accessible. Being done on guitar in a rock/metal genre.
Man this guy is a genius! It's mind blowing while some of us still struggle with a basic major scale he's already almost effortlessly playing exotic scales on a 9 string guitar with infinite frets!! And yes Metal band Death ruled with their awesome technical music breaking boundaries just check 'Symbolic' Released March 21, 1995.
Microtonality is not even new to the west, the takeover of 12 equal has only been very recent and primarily due to the use of electronics in music. Folk musicians, jazz musicians, blues musicians, country musicians, rock musicians and even pop singers all tend to pride themselves on their specific handling of the central blue notes that are specifically microtonal, only european classical music strives to remain exclusively in 12 equal but it in no way represents the current common taste. In the past not even European classical music confined itself to 12 equal, there were many tuning systems. In addition we all express emotion through music of voice while speaking and this music of voice is microtonal by nature, every speaker is also a musician and no speaker remains in 12 equal anywhere in the world, so we are all as acquainted with microtones as we are with speech itself.
More IS more & I wanna hear more Ron Sword! I've had the honour of seeing Kraig Grady on a few occasions and I'm a massive fan- I don't necessarily understand many microtonal systems but the harmonies that Kraig (& his partner Terumi) use make you feel like you're taking off in a convertible space ship and the hood is down.
I remember hearing about Ron Sword but I remember John Sword back over 12 even 15 or more years ago and he was already in his mid twenties or early thirties. He also looked different. What is going on? Did they get rid of him so he wouldn’t raise noise already being renowned for his advancing work in 16 tet etc. and replace him when the powers that were to lose theirs to the demand for the new system sent back musicians from the future to thwart the coming King?
No, not at all. A fretless is almost impossible to control with that kind of precision in the high range, one will not be playing 6 note chords with high accuracy.
I think this stuff is fascinating. You gotta think of it less as a musician, more as a scientist. They're talking about numerators and denominators here. Scales that are factors of each other. Like with most avant-garde or extreme music it's wonderful to dissect and see what makes it up. Now could i listen to an entire album of microtonal metal? no. but the learning, to me, is the important part
Yeah if you set C to equal 256 hz and the next C at 512, and every note is 16 hz apart you end up with notes that are mostly close to the 12 in the normal scale (off by a few hz here and there up to a worst of off by 9hz) but there is an extra note between E and F, G and G#, A and A#, and A# and B...
Ben Thurston There are also some nice harmonies like that puts E at 320 and 320 / 256 = 1.25 and it would put G at 384 and 384/320 = 1.2, and lots of other nice rational ratios...
This is interesting, but for rhythm chords I think it would be very difficult to get very good harmonies, especially since distortion adds so many upper harmonics. The other problem is that once you get beyond tritone-based chords, most people won't be able to distinguish the different chord spellings, especially if played in a tech-metal style. I suppose you could do really slow-moving things like Sunn0))) and then play with that, but I'm not optimistic about how much mileage that can give. On the other hand, I would love to hear some real makam music played on electric with drums. That would be cool....
Actually, depending on the tuning, you could get even more in tune than standard which allows all chords to sound w/distortion. Tl:dr, it's actually the opposite of what you think.
@8:20..."I bet I can play that better than Ron."....he actually wants someone to take his guitars and microtonal ideas and do better than he himself....not sure how that is smug behavoir....this was five years ago, he was only 24. He seemed like a nice young man to me... Any more current interviews with him...?
Most of the times I listen microtonal western music, my feeling is that we are still experimenting with it, but don't really know how to make it sound well. No matter if it is classical, rock, metal or any other genre. On the contrary, when I listen eastern music, it sounds much more coherent. I suppose it is just a question of tradition. They had the time to develop the style, while we are new at it.
Indonesian music was already on microtonal since ancient era for example gamelan Bali and Java. All the idea start from deep of soul not from mind idea. I think Arabic, Turkish or Indian music was Microtonal too.
I'm sure Microtonal Metal can sound good, but what I heard here isn't very promising. Personally not a fan of the crazy heavy stuff. Wonder how this would work in something more melodic like Progressive or Power Metal. Either way, I don't believe this is the "next step"; more like a new niche.
+Michael Riley I think microtonal has it's place in music and there are countries/genres that use it, which sounds great but to blanket every genre with it, is not always going to sound good. how he was playing makes it sound like shit. In my opinion, one of the things that really brings out the music is the tone difference between two notes that give it the contrast. So, playing microtones in a row, it is really hard to hear and makes it muddy pretty quick because the frequencies are so close together that they bend.
Dustin Erickson Yeah, I'd actually like to see an electric guitar with inserted frets for specific microtones instead of the ones here that are just super small frets to get every microtone inbetween.
+Michael Riley Hey, I'm from India. We still use microtones in our music. It's called Carnatic music. Give it a listen. Initially, we had 66 microtones. Yep, that's right. But now, we usually just stick to 22. What this does is it allows you make scales which have 12 notes etc. Have you heard all these beautiful guitarists(Guthrie Govan, Steve Vai, Petrucci) They add a lot of bends, vibrato and esp, Guthrie, who plays fretless makes microslides. (Small bends and vibratos are basically microtones) These add amazing flavor to their music. That's why no one can sound like them. Now imagine the flavors are a part of the ingredient. That's what Carnatic music is. NOTE: You might find the vocals and the instruments flat or sharp as you are used to the western scale, but the songs are pretty nice to listen to.
What he talked about just happened to me while i watched this video. I saw the instruments, heard the sound and was like ok...so what? Then when they spoke of the scale structures i wanted to get into it right away.
i understand that, it must fit in somewhere if they made it, but on electric..? don't like the sound, for me it's place is in easter european music and that's it.
In this world, where there's a daily increase of computers playing "music" instead of people playing music, It makes me very very happy to know that people are advancing forward with how we approach and play music as humans.
Wow... I love microtonal music... but it took me a while to realize that this is not a joke. Its not just Rons 12 year old attitude, its also the editing "More is More". wtf? Was this intentional? Still not sure. I want his interchangeable fretboard 9-string though.
imagine if Eddie or Yngwie got a hold of one in the 80s and that was their choice ax? I hate it but I could see it catching on and blowing up. I personally love 6 string and maybe a 12 acoustic every now and then. it feels so unnatural to me playing 7 or 8 strings. tried them and don't like them but many people do now and I can understand I guess.
Go to any video anywhere where someone is passionate about something that they have created and the haters gather like zombies to drag them down, if the zombies can't feel any ambitions they sure are not going to let anyone else have any, even the slightest noise sets them off. The haters are really talking about themselves, about their own inability to care, not about the artists inability to produce. I conclude that there must be a lot of intensely miserable people out there hence all the vitriol.
What i believe microtonal music to rely on is actually pure diatonic scale. So you get kind of different flavours of a scale, as for example "blue notes" are used. If you would ,say, play the blues and constantly play blue notes, it would not sound aesthetically pleasing to ears, while playing them in moderation and within a diatonic context just adds to an aesthetic value and musical expression. Same can be applied to indian and turkish classical music ... Playing just microtones without that diatonic background just leaves them "hanging in the air" , not having any expressional value in my opinion.
If it makes money its nearly always considered good, if not its nearly always considered bad, that is how consumerist values work. Under consumerism any aspiration that does not make immediate money is considered worthless, creativity without profit is supposed to be treated as lame, skill without profit is regarded as comedic and passion without profit is treated as a fools errand. In musics most generic era ever somehow it is creativity that is seen as the joke.
I think the thing these fellows are forgetting is that people tried this stuff hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years ago and concluded that the "average" human mind didn't do well to perceive notes at less intervals than our standard chromatic scale. I think that evolution is taking an accelerated path as of the last 1000 years, but I don't see people seeking out a greater than 12 note system any time that soon...
Technically that is true, for single note playing you can of course obtain any pitch by bending. However exact frets are necessary when exploring the chordal harmony of a new microtonal system as well as the melodic ability to effortlessly and precisely grab the exact desired scale degree of a microtonal scale. Bending techniques and fretless guitars don't give you that kind of exactitude needed for more rigorous exploration. Microtonal frets are also needed if you are going to play in tune with a band other instruments or synths tuned to that alternate system, be it 19 tone, 31 tone or Indian 22.
+Surfing the Sonic Sky awesome man loved the video
Ah'la the true temperament fretboard!
I had a huge post for you. I'll probably have to slice it into chunks. It's probably better off emailed but it's nothing important - not even remotely important, I guess. I'm a mathematician and had some comments and I'm guessing that they were too long to post.
If you'd like, I'll be happy to split it up into smaller parts and repost it. I saved it locally so that I can show you that way if you want. It's up to you. I do warn you, it's a LOT of text. In fact, I've never seen RUclips not post a comment until this one so I'm assuming it's THAT much text.
where can I get a similar guitar and the different necks and your books?
Galen Gregory how about an abstract for starters?
at around 4:30 when he gave him the paper, you can read the pure utter joy on his face :) Now THAT is heartwarming ^^
Popescu Kevin Really? It looked as if it confused the ever-loving shit out of him.
slightly awkward interview but God, give the kid more opportunity to show his stuff, I want to hear microtonal metal in action!!
Whoever edited this ... was high at the same time. Very high.
Lol at the people hating on microtones.
They sound inherently out of tune because of the fact that we have been brought up on our own, very different musical scale. Microtonal music includes notes that we have been conditioned to perceive as out of tune.
+Randy Slater - But you have to understand that people think you're arrogant if you like something that doesn't fit what they like... cuz that's not arrogant...
benjamin woodrow ... Um, ok. That's simply you admitting your musical illiteracy. How's that anyone else's fault?
+benjamin woodrow but you literally disabled musical illiteracy by saying this guy wasn't playing anything musical.
benjamin woodrow I can easily call you musically illiterate, because you think you can define what music is and what it isn't... and you demonstrably did. No one who's actually literate in music would make that kind of mistake.
It's not that I'm calling you musically illiterate.. It's that you just demonstrated yourself to be so. That's your problem.
And your sarcasm might as well be an open admission that you have no ability to argue the point. Thank you.
benjamin woodrow Not at all. However, you seem to...
Microtonal guitars = yes
Prog thrash microtone riffs = Kreygasm
Chugging on microtones = why not
Microtone Djent = YES
His tone = ew
Fascinating. He is exploring and learning as well as seemingly pioneering at the same time.
The problem I can see here is that the majority of people hear dissonance and cringe. It's just the way our brains are wired. To most, this microtonality just doesn't please most people's sensibilities.
That depends on culture. To us in the west it might make us cringe while for someone from eastern culture might enjoy it.
Agreed. Good point.
Most people who eat something bitter cringe, so bitter is bad right? People don't like it so it is bad. So no chocolate is good, no coffee acceptable, no barbecued anything tastes good, no brussel sprouts, nothing with any kind of bitter is good because people hate bitter, right?
Respect for doing something new, and for actually doing something as opposed to most of the people leaving comments. Having said that, rock guitar has had 6 strings for 50 years and it will most likely stay that way.
Obviously, this particular comment didn't age too well.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
@@unicestwiacznoworodkow7 True that 7 and 8 strings have become more prevalent, but let's face it, the majority of people play a 6 string.
I think this is awesome. I've found microtonality hard to get into because there isn't much out there, not much to listen to, and very hard to find an instrument to play on. I really appreciate pioneers in the field.
I think the disparaging comments here are sad. I don't know if any of these people have listened to any of Ron Sword's other videos, but this guy is legit...he clearly knows microtonal music and there are videos of him playing all sorts of different types of music, from music inspired by Indian scales, to metal, to just plain accoustic guitar with unusual scales...I especially love his video of the 22 EDO piece.
And a ton of non-temperate instruments: violin, cello, viola, contrabass, fretless guitar and bass, trombone, sitar, there's even other kinds of microtonal guitar (not non-temperate except for the fretless) and 2 kinds of microtonal pianos as far as I've seen, one is called Seaboard I believe, check it out.
*****
Yeah, these instruments are great because once you can solidly hear the microtonal intervals, these instruments are as good at playing them as they are at any system!
I also find that (french) horn, my first main instrument, is good for microtonal music because you can easily bend the pitch a whole tone or more up or down using your right hand in the bell.
Still, learning to hear the intervals can be a lot of work. I have to work on one tuning system at a time, I'm currently working on 31-ET, and it's a challenge.
***** Not to mention quite a few composers (Ivan Wyschnegradsky, Alois Haba, Harry Partch to name a few.)
At the time I knew of the fruits of Ervin Wilson's work and of course the obvious idea that there must be "more" diatonic-like scales with interesting harmonics in the scale in various equal temperaments..... but this video documented the moment when I was exposed to some things I hadn't gotten to yet... like the co-prime grid, the scale-tree, Erv's keyboards and xylo designs- (He made a 53-tone bosanquet board with the late Moog)....I was a kid in a candy store. It really captures a time I am very thankful for. I met Erv the next day after this was filmed...
finally!!! a person who can play in every key at the same time !!!
I was looking for an metal band with fretless guitar but this is also very cool! The future of metal!
Nice Job! Love the guitars and the interchangeable fretboard. First death-metal band "consistently" using non-standard scales, maybe yes.. inspiring!!
'Brushy On String' will be fucked when he sees this, he'll have to move up to two strings.
This stuff goes way back. Check out, composer Harry Partch, and guitarist Jon Catler, who has all sorts of just intonation guitars and compositions. Took a lesson once from him, he showed us a piece on his 64 note per octave guitar.
I actually have one of his guitars, 36 note per octave. Wrote a piece on it for one of our cds.
Considering it's a microtonal guitar, you never have to tune it right?
+Preoh go home
Patrick Callahan lmao
Lol this guy....
this fucking guy
death metals evolution has been amazing over the last 25 years. goig from morbid angel to dying fetus. the genre just keeps getting better
Amazing sounds. Quick question: what was that instrument used to generate the 12 non ET scale sounds at minute 6:10 of the video and where do I get one?
surprised at the slew of negative comments. I was very surprised by this video. I'm aware of Partch and Carlos microtonal work, but this is kind of cooler because it is less academic and more accessible. Being done on guitar in a rock/metal genre.
Man this guy is a genius! It's mind blowing while some of us still struggle with a basic major scale he's already almost effortlessly playing exotic scales on a 9 string guitar with infinite frets!!
And yes Metal band Death ruled with their awesome technical music breaking boundaries just check 'Symbolic' Released March 21, 1995.
New to the west. Indians have been doing this for thousands of years in Hindustani classical and Carnatic classical music.
Microtonality is not even new to the west, the takeover of 12 equal has only been very recent and primarily due to the use of electronics in music. Folk musicians, jazz musicians, blues musicians, country musicians, rock musicians and even pop singers all tend to pride themselves on their specific handling of the central blue notes that are specifically microtonal, only european classical music strives to remain exclusively in 12 equal but it in no way represents the current common taste.
In the past not even European classical music confined itself to 12 equal, there were many tuning systems. In addition we all express emotion through music of voice while speaking and this music of voice is microtonal by nature, every speaker is also a musician and no speaker remains in 12 equal anywhere in the world, so we are all as acquainted with microtones as we are with speech itself.
But does it Djent?
It's a 9 string so🙄
Kaiyn Benzedrine
strings: 69420
strings that we'll be using: 1
Music trends reflect the spirit of the times
More IS more & I wanna hear more Ron Sword!
I've had the honour of seeing Kraig Grady on a few occasions and I'm a massive fan- I don't necessarily understand many microtonal systems but the harmonies that Kraig (& his partner Terumi) use make you feel like you're taking off in a convertible space ship and the hood is down.
well yeah but can he play "Smoke on the Water"?
Just because Smoke on the Water is extremely difficult to play on the guitar does not mean that he isn't still pretty good.
+Johnny Jones go fuck yourself
Oh how that made me laugh
Hahahaha...!
Could someone explain what microtonal music is and suggest some song/composers/videos? This has intrigued me.
All of this is completely over my head
I remember hearing about Ron Sword but I remember John Sword back over 12 even 15 or more years ago and he was already in his mid twenties or early thirties. He also looked different. What is going on? Did they get rid of him so he wouldn’t raise noise already being renowned for his advancing work in 16 tet etc. and replace him when the powers that were to lose theirs to the demand for the new system sent back musicians from the future to thwart the coming King?
Why should i make my guitar microtonal when i can make it fretless? Cant i do the same thing on a fretless?
No, not at all. A fretless is almost impossible to control with that kind of precision in the high range, one will not be playing 6 note chords with high accuracy.
Is 12 notes not enough for you?
ChallenGe accepted I'm playing this Guiter but where I could get 1 from
Another excellent example demonstrating that THERE ARE NO RULES. Great job of pushing the envelope!
I think this stuff is fascinating. You gotta think of it less as a musician, more as a scientist. They're talking about numerators and denominators here. Scales that are factors of each other. Like with most avant-garde or extreme music it's wonderful to dissect and see what makes it up. Now could i listen to an entire album of microtonal metal? no. but the learning, to me, is the important part
Yeah if you set C to equal 256 hz and the next C at 512, and every note is 16 hz apart you end up with notes that are mostly close to the 12 in the normal scale (off by a few hz here and there up to a worst of off by 9hz) but there is an extra note between E and F, G and G#, A and A#, and A# and B...
Ben Thurston There are also some nice harmonies like that puts E at 320 and 320 / 256 = 1.25 and it would put G at 384 and 384/320 = 1.2, and lots of other nice rational ratios...
Ben Thurston benpaulthurstonblog.blogspot.com/2015/06/comparison-of-16-note-scale-to-12-note.html
I am hoping this takes off! Maybe Tosin Abasi can give it a shot
This is interesting, but for rhythm chords I think it would be very difficult to get very good harmonies, especially since distortion adds so many upper harmonics. The other problem is that once you get beyond tritone-based chords, most people won't be able to distinguish the different chord spellings, especially if played in a tech-metal style. I suppose you could do really slow-moving things like Sunn0))) and then play with that, but I'm not optimistic about how much mileage that can give. On the other hand, I would love to hear some real makam music played on electric with drums. That would be cool....
Actually, depending on the tuning, you could get even more in tune than standard which allows all chords to sound w/distortion. Tl:dr, it's actually the opposite of what you think.
what is microtonal?
What is the intro track?
so why buy or customize a microtonal guitar when you can just tune down a regular guitar and keep a few strings in tune?
MICROTONAL METAL? WHAT'S THAT, METAL FOR ANTS?
+Matt Moves LOL! Very funny. I love insect humor.
+Ted Levy I prefer incest humour
Or just plain incest
+Matt Moves This metal needs to be... at least 3 times bigger
"The Ron Sword metal for kids who can't read good"
@8:20..."I bet I can play that better than Ron."....he actually wants someone to take his guitars and microtonal ideas and do better than he himself....not sure how that is smug behavoir....this was five years ago, he was only 24. He seemed like a nice young man to me...
Any more current interviews with him...?
Fascinating!
Wow. look at the Bosanquet-Wilson keyboard in the back!
Great work, keep it up
I am speechless!
Most of the times I listen microtonal western music, my feeling is that we are still experimenting with it, but don't really know how to make it sound well. No matter if it is classical, rock, metal or any other genre.
On the contrary, when I listen eastern music, it sounds much more coherent. I suppose it is just a question of tradition. They had the time to develop the style, while we are new at it.
Try listening to Zhea erose, xeno*n* and benyamind. I think they sound really good and coherent
i wouldn't even know how to approach those kind of intervals. i mean what the hell do you get between a minor second?
Sounds extremely interesting to me.
and utility?
Indonesian music was already on microtonal since ancient era for example gamelan Bali and Java. All the idea start from deep of soul not from mind idea. I think Arabic, Turkish or Indian music was Microtonal too.
I'm sure Microtonal Metal can sound good, but what I heard here isn't very promising. Personally not a fan of the crazy heavy stuff. Wonder how this would work in something more melodic like Progressive or Power Metal. Either way, I don't believe this is the "next step"; more like a new niche.
+Michael Riley Especially since someone can achive semitones with bending in the first place.
+Michael Riley I think microtonal has it's place in music and there are countries/genres that use it, which sounds great but to blanket every genre with it, is not always going to sound good. how he was playing makes it sound like shit. In my opinion, one of the things that really brings out the music is the tone difference between two notes that give it the contrast. So, playing microtones in a row, it is really hard to hear and makes it muddy pretty quick because the frequencies are so close together that they bend.
True that!
Dustin Erickson Yeah, I'd actually like to see an electric guitar with inserted frets for specific microtones instead of the ones here that are just super small frets to get every microtone inbetween.
+Michael Riley Hey, I'm from India. We still use microtones in our music. It's called Carnatic music. Give it a listen. Initially, we had 66 microtones. Yep, that's right. But now, we usually just stick to 22. What this does is it allows you make scales which have 12 notes etc.
Have you heard all these beautiful guitarists(Guthrie Govan, Steve Vai, Petrucci) They add a lot of bends, vibrato and esp, Guthrie, who plays fretless makes microslides. (Small bends and vibratos are basically microtones)
These add amazing flavor to their music. That's why no one can sound like them. Now imagine the flavors are a part of the ingredient. That's what Carnatic music is.
NOTE: You might find the vocals and the instruments flat or sharp as you are used to the western scale, but the songs are pretty nice to listen to.
now you should try some alternate tunings with these guitars...
Does he let the guy he's interviewing talk?
What he talked about just happened to me while i watched this video. I saw the instruments, heard the sound and was like ok...so what? Then when they spoke of the scale structures i wanted to get into it right away.
why give a shit about microtonal if it sounds like shit?
kevin motti yeah it sounds like the guitar is not in tune
somebody said it perfect: "just beacause you can doesn't mean you should"
kevin motti Nuff said. :)
i understand that, it must fit in somewhere if they made it, but on electric..? don't like the sound, for me it's place is in easter european music and that's it.
kevin motti Have you heard Fretless Brothers? It's not turkish, not acoustic, and it swings and rocks.
There must be one hell of a learning curve between playing a diatonic guitar to playing a microtonal guitar.
Sounds like the intonation is out of whack. I do appreciate the determination and the dedication. I would form a band with you
Keep on the exploration man!
Good for him, I will stick with what has worked for hundreds of years.
this video is like a weird acid trip.... cool microtone stuff though i would totally do it if i knew how
In this world, where there's a daily increase of computers playing "music" instead of people playing music, It makes me very very happy to know that people are advancing forward with how we approach and play music as humans.
why im glad i live in florida
+Joel Paul im glad you do too
+mrhard2000uk and I am glad that he is glad that you live in Florida
4ur3n im glad for your gladness
ZomeTool on the desk in the background. Proper!
wouldn't it be easier to put pickups on a sitar?
PS: does it djent?
Wow... I love microtonal music... but it took me a while to realize that this is not a joke. Its not just Rons 12 year old attitude, its also the editing "More is More". wtf? Was this intentional? Still not sure. I want his interchangeable fretboard 9-string though.
Malaysian pelog? Im malaysian and i've never heard of it. Does it sounds like .. malaysian?
If you're interested in microtonal guitar you should check "Tolgahan Çoğulu" out. He's been playing unique Anatolian music. Check him out immediately.
Another is "Secret Chiefs"
People don't get bands like Portal
He cannot be bothered when the other guy is talking about something...he's only interested in what comes out his own mouth
Go Ron.
Pulling for you dude, keep innovating for us all.
Excuse me but are we going to ignore that opening jingle
Thanks Julian Carrillo ¡¡¡
imagine if Eddie or Yngwie got a hold of one in the 80s and that was their choice ax?
I hate it but I could see it catching on and blowing up. I personally love 6 string and maybe a 12 acoustic every now and then. it feels so unnatural to me playing 7 or 8 strings. tried them and don't like them but many people do now and I can understand I guess.
This is kind of terrifying. I'm interested to hear it in a musical context though.
"...but this one goes to 11.3245"
Hahahahaha....
Kind of reminds me of a Koto a little , Koto music uses some really strange /beautiful scales :)
Funny how i hear the music he plays and then the next frame is him wearing a Death shirt.
It all make sense now.
When you can't add any more strings or frets. Add more microtones!
Actually death metal is pretty stuck on the past Imo.
I think that the most changing music is progressive metal.
Wish I could play like that...
A whole new world :)
I don't understand the hate o:
Go to any video anywhere where someone is passionate about something that they have created and the haters gather like zombies to drag them down, if the zombies can't feel any ambitions they sure are not going to let anyone else have any, even the slightest noise sets them off. The haters are really talking about themselves, about their own inability to care, not about the artists inability to produce. I conclude that there must be a lot of intensely miserable people out there hence all the vitriol.
Microtonal ?
How about fretless ?
Is there any metal musician that plays with a fretless guitar or bass?
***** Are you cereal?
Is there any?
Have you ever even heard a fretless guitar? They sound and are played totally different from a fretted microtonal guitar.
So? It's just a simple question...
and we never heard about it again...Praise jesus.
Well done. You've inadvertently taken up the guitar equivalent of the Laserdisk.
What i believe microtonal music to rely on is actually pure diatonic scale. So you get kind of different flavours of a scale, as for example "blue notes" are used. If you would ,say, play the blues and constantly play blue notes, it would not sound aesthetically pleasing to ears, while playing them in moderation and within a diatonic context just adds to an aesthetic value and musical expression. Same can be applied to indian and turkish classical music ... Playing just microtones without that diatonic background just leaves them "hanging in the air" , not having any expressional value in my opinion.
"That's interesting, tell me about the Dank you're growing in the background."
people are over thinking music, if it sounds good its good, leave it at that
That was a pointless comment.
Just like the moon is cool to look at... But to walk on??
Its a free country
If it makes money its nearly always considered good, if not its nearly always considered bad, that is how consumerist values work. Under consumerism any aspiration that does not make immediate money is considered worthless, creativity without profit is supposed to be treated as lame, skill without profit is regarded as comedic and passion without profit is treated as a fools errand. In musics most generic era ever somehow it is creativity that is seen as the joke.
Rockin' that Death shirt, I see~ \m/
But it is can djent?
+Gabriel Alvarenga Rocha You were so close
The only thing that doesn't djent is your grammar.
Outrageous lol, it's the future. Can you sell me a microtonal 7 string?
God has no end or beginning, Alpha and Omega...
But, can you djent with it?
You are a genius!
I think the thing these fellows are forgetting is that people tried this stuff hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years ago and concluded that the "average" human mind didn't do well to perceive notes at less intervals than our standard chromatic scale. I think that evolution is taking an accelerated path as of the last 1000 years, but I don't see people seeking out a greater than 12 note system any time that soon...
Sweet guitar mod, you've earned your haters.
That's intended with the utmost respect, Cheers from Tampa.
dude i want one.
6:26 - 6:40 Fascinating! Yes! Yes! Wow! Yes! Jipes! Killer! Sick! Yes!
I think Shawn Lane would also be into it if he was still here...
With guitar - less is always more. Interesting removable fret board though.