I am 4 weeks since my L4 L5 spinal surgery. Laminectomy done by surgeon in Philadelphia. My experience so far, positive. I have taken no painkillers. I have discomfort sometimes and fatigue. I am 63 years old and I can walk without pain. I hope you get better and will not have to continue taking pills.
Hi Mark I am 8 weeks post op from level 3 fusion L3-SI. I have been on morphine off that. Oxy still on and Lyrica off that. My back doesn’t hurt but my fingertips are numb and my legs , shins and feet , feel like I have been walking for miles before I’ve taken a step. I know it’s nerve but hoping that subsides. I have spent more time in the hospital and ERs than I care to count. My back was all but collapsed at time of surgery but like you I don’t like taking Meds all the time. I can’t take a lot of the nerve meds because they cause you to retain fluid and that was a living hell and so far none have worked . People say patience, I think I lost mine. It’s hard not to get down but hearing your not alone helps so thank you!
Thank you so much for all your videos... I see how tired you are of all the meds and shit you are going thru.. my daughter is still thinking and the drs are pressuring her saying that she needs this surgery Ive followed all your videos please keep posting your recovery... Thank you again for everything I hope you get better soon !!! xoxoxoxo
I looked at your videos in the lead up to my L4-L5 fusion and laminectomy last December. That was my second operation in two years. The first being just a laminectomy that didn't work. I also had about 8 epidural injections, before and in between the two surgeries. While it's been discouraging to hear of your post-op problems, I went ahead with the second operation after weighing the risks against the potential benefits. So far, I've been quite happy with the result. I got out of the hospital on the second day, mostly because my urine and bowel function came back quickly. (I never used the morphine pump, nor any opioid pills.) I know many others have experienced problems or disappointment after their surgery, but I don't want everyone to think this operation never works. So far, it's been great for me. I'm not saying that I'm 100% without pain. However, that usually involved me pushing too much during my recovery. I hope things work out for you and everyone else facing problems.
Geez Mark - sounds like you been really through the mill. I just want to say that - the message you are putting out there is very powerful. It has made it very easy for me to make up my mind to not have surgery. So in that respect you have done me a great service - Thank you. I was under pressure to have surgery last year and didn't - thank God. I have a spondy grade 2 but have managed to go to a Ju jitsu class and even do a round or two of boxing. I can't walk more than 1000 yards but I can do alot. Enough to make surgery unjustifiable - especially having seen your videos. Thank you again Mark.
I have followed your journey. I am 3 months post op from a ALIF ( stomach approach ) 2 levels at L4- S1 with cages. I have been pain free since I woke up in recovery. I had the nurses pull my pain meds pump when I was in the room, tylenol has been enough. I have never touched 1 narcotic pain med. I am literally so sad for all these stories of post op pain. I have zero. Best of luck.
Thanks so very much for your videos. You have helped me! I had a bi-lateral sacroiliac joint dysfunction fusion 6 weeks ago and, thus, I am still on the mend. My doctor prescribed me Oxycodone, too. I will taper off ASAP and use Tylenol. You have taught me much. I am so saddened that you have been going through a horrendous ordeal. It is my hope that you will update again. Certainly, I hope that your pain stops. I suggest seeing a new orthopedic surgeon/neurologist, Mark. Rooting for you!
20+ years of every type of therapy and pain management you can think of. My last stop was spinal fusion surgery. I’m feeling better, some soreness, nerve pain on both legs… kinda painful but my doctor said it will go away. I’m hoping soon though. Thanks for your help and good advice.
Thank you for sharing your story of recover. I have lower back pains that has altered my life. It was determine that the cause is my L5-S1 degenerated disc. I'm thinking of surgery as the conservative approach hasn't worked. I'm at a desperate mode, but after watching your videos, I may not want it now. I hope you get better and off all meds.
I had a 3 level spinal fusion 11 months ago. I understand your pain, I am on pain medication & I don't think I could handle the daily pain. The pain I have is so different & i can do very little. I will keep you in my prayers. I'm 55 so my children are grown so our lives are different & I'm a female. Whatever you do just don't give up on life!
When I was working as a caregiver I injured myself assisting a client of mine. I can some what relate to your pain. I've been on every kind of meds you can think of. Been depressed no longer able to do activities that I use to do. Its a bummer... I have had the epidural (steroid) injection, that didn't work. So I had my ortho. to remove the bugle at the L5-S1. And now he is talking about me having a spinal fusion. I couldn't make up my mind on having it. I just want to have some relief across my lower back and the numbness and tingling down my right leg and foot. After watching your video has given me a second thought of going further with the fusion. Good luck on continuing your recovery!
I had spinal fusion 2 years ago. Not everyone has all this trouble. I had a lot of pain after the surgery and had to go on pain meds. After 8 months I weaned myself off of them. I'm in good shape now. Except I have another vertebrae that's slipping and need another spinal fusion on another vertebrae. I have no doubt I'll do it again.
This helps me to know more what I am about to go through. I am having the same surgery at Boston medical March 4th. I hope you are better and that you are now in less pain. Thanks for the documentaries.
IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHO YOUR DOCTOR IS AND HOW GOOD IS HE AT HIS TRADE. NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE THE SAME. CHECK OUT YOUR DOCTORS RATE OF SUCCESS BEFORE OPTING FOR SURGERY. IF YOU WANT SUCCESS YOU NEED A SUCESSFUL SURGION.
I feeling your pain bro.I'm 15 months post-op lumbar fusion on L5-S1. After about the 8th month in recovery, things took a turn for the worst. My back is on fire daily.I'm still taking 10 of vicodine, lexipro muscle relaxers and various anti-inflammatorys throughout the day.
Sorry to hear about your continued pain. My wife is three weeks out from an L5-S1 fusion. She is doing great and without any pain. She is amazed at her outcomes so far. Surgery performed at Barrow Neuro Institute in Phoenix Az. ( not far from Vegas). Dr Nicholas Theodore, x military neurosurgeon, did her procedure. Highly recommend for second opinion. Good luck and hope you can get some relief.
+mike martinell Hi Mike,I am looking at surgery at Barrow as well (right now), with Dr. Tumialan. I have been in terrible pain for 10+ years and am so sick of pain running my life every day. Do you know what grade of a spondy your wife had? Is there any way that you guys would be willing to talk to me to help me decide about getting surgery? I would sincerely appreciate any input that you would have. My email is tjgallo01@gmail.com. Thanks in advance for your help!!
Hey man thank you for the video. I appreciate your honesty. I am 5 weeks post op L4L5. It seems to be better as far as my sciatica. Did your other pain start right away after surgery or did it take awhile? And do you have trouble driving? I can't hardly push the gas without nerve pain.
Back. If marijuana is gonna do that than sign me up ASAP. What are your thoughts boss - we haven't heard from you in almost 8 months which means nothing must've changed. I understand nothing may have changed for you but your transparency, honesty and passion to kick the pills habit. Are all encouraging to me. Please put up an update soon. Thanks and God bless you and the family!
Mark, when a person is dealing with this type of thing, its so easy for them to just want to run, run, run and if its okay to say, it sounds a little like that is what you are doing. It's what I do. But I have had to learn to REST. The more you run, the more your nervous system goes into a fight or flight type response and I can see how it would be extremely difficult to get pain under control in that situation. If you can, give yourself the space and permission to REST.
Mark I feel for you brotha, I'm 34 and have had 4 surgeries within the last 3 years in my back and spinal fusion is next on the list. I haven't found one person who has stated that spinal fusion is a great option, as a matter if fact I've found the opposite. My neurosurgeon refuses to do the spinal fusion because he feels they are a waste of time for me - but I am in 7-10 pain scale daily, there is no real down time. I'm currently taking oxycodone morphine lyrica baclofen clonazepam for pain and
Bro, I can't believe the similarities between you and I. I've had 6 opinions and I can't believe how dissimilar they were. Ive got a ruptured L3-4 and DDD above and below. The last thing I want to do is get out of bed...I just want to be back to where I was, looking forward to the day, goin' to the gym, riding the MC....opiates only help and they're the Goddamn devil despite the relief. I appreciate your honesty; be well bro.
I injured myself at age 19 falling off a Chinook Helicopter in the US Army. I am now 37 and have been through near 18 years of failed conservative treatments. No thanks to the VA, I am now getting surgery 12/10/13 for an L5-S1 fusion. I am hoping to have better results. Good luck to your continued recovery. I am looking forward to a better lesser pain future myself.
I'm so sorry to hear about your 'not so great' recovery! Who did your surgery - an ortho or a neuro? I've heard so many bad outcomes, but mine was so worth it. I really never took any pain meds but had a similar issue as you. I wonder if a different doc could make it better for you? My neurosurgeon is a miracle worker. Just something to consider!! Dr. Mark Li at Lehigh Valley Health Network in Allentown, PA.
Oh my goodness, I completely understand, I had cervical neck surgery. C5 & C6, a year ago. the pain is so strong. it's very discouraging because there is nothing that calms the pain other than medications. You are not alone
Hi, I am 24 months post op on May 29, 2015. As you stated this is a life changer. I am older than you and had exhausted all avenues for relief. Finally I woke one morning in November 2012 unable to walk due to excruiating pain. Had to be laid in the seat of SUV and taken to ER. Prior I had a total hip replacement in 2001. To speed forward as to what happened I had Anterior Lumbar interbody fusion multiple levels, laminectomy, posterior spinal fusion thoracic to plevis. My motion is limited and after looking at my images I am the official Cyborg Senior. Like you I tried to limit my usage of pain meds even breaking them in half. Just when I thought I would have 2 days pain free and regains some of my memory my body would wretch with pain all the way to my toenails(lol). Presently 3 days ago a long lost relative Sciatica decided to pay me a visit on the right side. The left side was the one previously led me to surgery. Being that my motion is limited do is exercising. Forgot to mention I suffer a heart attack 9 months after surgery while having an emergency gall bladder removal. I wont give in to a life of pain meds but will continue to search for alternative. Would I Do this again? Hmmm that is the question. Blessings stay strong
I had the full spinal fusion in 2008 and the pain is far worse now then before. I can tell it's gotten worse in the last 2 years and I need to have a secondary surgery to cut down some of the rod that pokes out of my right side next to my shoulder. It's caused major nerve damage at this point. I was at a 56 percent/degree curvature before and now at 11 percent. I'd really be careful having this surgery because for me, it made everything worse in terms of physical pain. I had no option but to do the surgery unfortunately. going to start physical therapy soon so hopefully that helps.
Thanks for your posts. Hope you are better and feel up to doing an update soon. I am wondering how it's going for you now? Weighing out the pros/cons of fusion @ L4/L5 and microdisc at L3. Also looking into ADR in Germany w/ Dr. Rudolf Bertangoli. Also wondering if any of the docs you saw mentioned ADR as a viable option for you. Thanks!
Mark I can feel your pain bro , mental / emotional pain is sometimes worse than physical. I have been avoiding a 3 level lumbar fusion for years. Used to run my commercial fish boat , race dirt bikes in the CA desert , sail etc.etc. all gone now. Have you tried the various types of Tens units available? (electric stimulation). What does your ortho say, any surgical options? Something wrong with your original surgery? I take norco (10 mg hydrocodone) and flexeril when I need it. Don't give up!
hello, I know you made this video back in 2013, but right now I am also 18 months post op L4/L5 spinal fusion. you mentioned having been on pain killers for quite awhile post surgery. Luckily I only needed very minimal pain meds for 4 months after surgery. don't get me wrong I still had pain, but I dealt with through homeopathic means. I have studied herbology and naturopathic medicine for about 20yrs. I have an excellent recipe for a cayenne pepper salve that is so simple to make and is amazingly effective for relieving pain. I also have done extensive research into the herb Wormwood. it has amazing topical pain relieving properties. I make a tincture from the wormwood and then add the tincture to a thick lotion base and apply it where ever and whenever I need it. it works within minutes, it keeps you pain free for several hours, its non addictive, has no adverse side effects (because its applied to the skin and not ingested, it won't harm any of your vital organs the way prescription pain relievers do. if anyone is interested in making cayenne salve, there are several videos on youtube that will show you how to make it. as for the wormwood tincture, i'll be happy to provide the recipe with in depth instructions for how to make it to any who is interested.but as for my physical condition at 18 months post op; I will get twinges of sciatic nerve pain if I move my body wrong such as not rolling over properly in bed or trying to sit up straight from a lying down position, or if I do something stupid such as go to the firing range with my adult son and fire 30 rounds of ammo in a hand gun and a bolt action rifle.........I was in bed with pain for 3 days after that. i do want to find out what exercises i can do to core strengthen that wont land me back on the operating table cause i bent a rod or worse- pulling a screw out of my spine. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and welcomed.
I have had 3 l4 l5 laminectomy with micro discectomies within the last 6 months. I will have the fusion this month. Thanks for your story. Please don't push yourself so hard. You may have to be less active to live pain free. Have you tried biking and swimming? Good luck.
I had spinal fusion surgery and it's been a nightmare I'm almost a year past the surgery and I still hurt everyday. The surgery was the worst decision I ever made in my life. I didn't do enough research because it was a traumatic injury and everything happens so fast I hope you get better but the truth of the matter is you're probably not going to and neither am I. I've been watching a lot of videos about people who have had surgeries under spine and I've yet to see one or someone is completely satisfied most are still under some level of pain. My surgery was a spinal fusion in my thoracic and my lumbar area I thought a lot of times of just dying. If you're in pain life isn't really worth living.
Mark, have you tried Neurontin (gabapentin)? It's not an opiate, but is given for nerve pain. It's also given for epilepsy, but it's the only pain med I take right now (pre-surgery). Ask your doc about it.
Man don't take anything for pain, you have to cure the pain with exercise, i had lumbar fusion about 6 years ago im in pain right now. Its not as bad as it used to be though dude you gotta realize it will always be there, surgery is to stop curve in spine getting worse. Do swimming, plank exercises, push ups, yoga it makes your core strong, stops most the pain, and makes you look better, feel confident (i was also addicted to heroin due to hating myself and pain after surgery BAD choice)
Hey buddy, Just wondering how things are going for you and if your pain has improved? According to my doctors, my last two discs are completely closed on my nerves. I meet my surgeon next month to discuss surgery number five however this one will be arthroscopic. I pray all is well boss....keep your head up and God bless you, your family!
How are you doing? I have been watching your videos and they have help me greatly, for that I thank you. How are you doing now? Did you get the hardware removef? PLEASE GIVE ANOTHER UPDATE!I I am supposed to have Anterior and Posterior Lumbar Fusion in a few weeks. Hope to hear from you soon.
Hey Mark, thanks for the videos and honesty. I feel your pain. I'm a 15 year military veteran and was injured in overseas. I've been through everything besides surgery. My question to you is. How do you feel a medical cannabis (marijuana)? I was really unsure about it. I smoked a little in high school and didn't know of the healing properties it possesses. It has truly been amazing in the pain relief. Anyhow, good luck in all your endeavors.
Thanks for all of the videos. I'm kind of scared of getting this exact thing done next month. I've already been on narcotics for over 10 years and the oxys for the last 6 months 30mg. The only reason I'm thinking of this fusion surgery is to get off of the pain meds and the pain.
Hi Mark. I am 4 months post-op and feel like you do. Thought I was crazy with feeling pain in the front areas. I tried to go off my Tramadol, but the back wasn't having it. I not going to do the injections. I want to go back to teaching in Sept., so I am going to swim and lose the weight..., and then slowly ease off the pain meds before Sept. Where are you now? I see this was posted last year.
So sorry to her your story. Pain is awful and I know. I just want to say I wish you the best and it's your decision as meds. If they r truly helping and ur not abusing them, I'd go with quality of life. I hope for a miracle for u and myself. Take care, I wish u well.
Why do you have pain in the legs post op? Have you herniated another disc? I had a L4L5 fusion in 2011, herniated the L5S1 doing bent over rows and squats in the gym. It sucks man
a pump moephine i believe but i hope it works because i think if im in pain my recovery will be slow and the surgeon wants me to take norco post op and im afraid ill be in too much pain to be active and build strenght but i will let him know if it doesnt work i actually would like the patch but you know how dr are
How are you now? I've been watching your videos. I'm going in for the same surgery weds which is Oct 30. Plz update so I can decide to go through with it or not
Hang in there brother,,, I accepted the fact I will be on pain meds the rest of my life. It's much better than living in pain. I hope you can find a happy medium for yourself, I know what your going through, TY Brother,,, Much love & Respect,,, -/--
Mark sweetheart, I'm so sorry about what you are going through. I am dealing with a severe lower back problem and surgery could be in my future. I just wonder if you need to slow down a little. I truly know how hard it is to stop and not work out and to want to strengthen or stretch or, or, or. But if you don't mind a little feedback, it sounds like maybe you never really took the time to let your body/back heal from the assault of surgery. Maybe those nerves just need a rest. Take care.
I know your pain, bud. Fusion of the L4-5 in May 2013. 3 years later and I'm in 10 times worse pain than before the procedure. Anyone contemplating this surgery...DONT DO IT. It does not work. Makes you worse. Way for doctors to make a quick 100k excactly. In my case...because I went with the suboxone to get off the meds...I cant get back into pain mngt. because that gave me a history of addiction treatment. So i'm in this pain and unable to get any help at all. In fact, I do not even want to live anymore. It's that bad.
Hi Mark, I absolutely agree. I am now 13 months post op and the pain has never subsided. I would never recommend this op to anyone. The pain anyone is having now without the op is nothing compared to the pain you experience after this procedure. People who claim to feel better are liars. Stick with what you have and forget TLIF!!!!! Learn to manage the pain you have now rather than have a doctor butcher your back. Doctors will not tell you the truth unless they've had the procedure themselves!!! take it from me, I've had this procedure here in the UK through private health - IT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!
Thanks for being so honest. It looked like Mark was butchered when I saw the first video. I knew right away that he would never be good after that. What a mess. Thank you both for sharing this horribility.
shit i know what u mean im having disc fusion l5s1 on thursday and i tried other stuf before i agreed on it i did epidural shots that sucked i did decompression pt nothing worked instead it got worse it grew 2 mm i believe in less than a month n tge pain sucks i dealt whit it with no help 5 yrs and i had enough now i take percocet 5mg n thats not enough but i dont want to over do it but the pain gets to u if u want it or not but i want to know how bad was it waking up?they are guna put me on
I was constantly at a 5-6 everyday, all day. I started popping pills as soon as my feet hit the floor in the morning. I was absolutely miserable. today im about 3 years from my last fusion and feel like nothing ever happened. I would say my back is perfect now....I am able to do full squats and deadlifts with no pain at all. Sometimes I just cant believe it.
Have you ever tried Kratom it is a great pain reliever myself I would just take the meds if you can tolerate it but I understand I’ve been on pain meds for 18 years I’m looking at back surgery
Hi Mark Sorry to hear what you are going through. It somewhat mirrors my own journey. I would be interested in emailing or chatting with you if interested. Thanks and best of luck.
@@treadbroker so you had to get another fusion if so was it due to more pressure of the disc above fusion? Also all thing being equal would you still have the fusions done?
@@h20no63 yes so after my first fusion L4/L5 I was still in pain. 2 years went by...still in pain so a new Dr. said we could take the hardware out...that maybe that was causing the pain. Took it out...still in pain. 6 months later the original fusion broke and I had to redo it. I cant remember the exact reason but I had to do a 2 level fusion the second time around. During that they found a huge nerve being pinched. Once that was released it was a game changer and I healed up nicely. If you are considering this surgery all I can tell you is find a dr. who uses the latest technologies and make sure they dont want to do a 360 degree fusion. Ive heard really bad things about those
@@treadbroker never heard of a 360 but I will look into it thanks for your input yea I'm 3 years post laminectomy and putting off L1-L4 fusion . On and off the opioids etc. All the doctors I've have seen say you can really tell after 8 to 10 years how and if the fusion workes well . Big question is did you loose much motion? I still work and I'm terrified of that
Sorry man.Four failed spine surgeries cervical and lumbar ALL from WEIGHT TRAINING I was like you Could not stop training. In Pgh.It hard to get pain pills from anyone.The DEA runs it all. Why suffer?Get on methadone tablets.I did and was 70% pain free. Give up barbells. Get neurontin for nerve pain. STOP ALL WORKOUTS!!! Do U want to wind up like me?
I'm so sorry to hear Mark. Thank you for sharing your journey with us. I now everyone has a doctor they think is amazing and they want to share with you. I just feel compelled to share mine with you. I am a fitness instructor, mom of 2 yong girls & have a full time career. I have had chronic, dibilitating pain from l5/s1 for 6 yrs with no help until I found my NS. I also have 2 syrinxs & had a cervical fusion c6/c7 by this NS, who diagnosed my low back in 5 mins. email me mickmefit@gmail
Peace of mind plus I take ambien to sleep. My pain management people have told me about other types of natural meds which include marijuana. Right now they have a thx pill that mimics marijuana on all levels but it's not available for back patients yet. I live in Maryland and am roughly. 30 minutes from DC where I could get medical marijuana but the only reviews I've heard are mixed. I don't want to be high all. Day but I want my quality of life
Dude I hear u. Stay strong. Fuxk the meds. They want you all drugged up to milk you of your money. I had my spinal fusion in 2012 Feb. op area L3-5. And I'm good to go. Swimming will help. Best of luck. Email me if u need help.
This is hilarious. I was on 5 methadone 4 oxycodone n 3 STRONG muscle relaxers a day. I'm down to under 3 oxy no methadone n 1 muscle relaxer. It took almost 3 months but as for help???😏
Mark thanks for documenting this. 34 fit and active here. I am one week post op (L5S1)and its been tough but getting better. I'll be praying that you find a solution and that my surgery works. I hope to hear how you're doing. You or anyone else can email me about my experience: benhudelson gmail.
I am 4 weeks since my L4 L5 spinal surgery. Laminectomy done by surgeon in Philadelphia. My experience so far, positive. I have taken no painkillers. I have discomfort sometimes and fatigue. I am 63 years old and I can walk without pain. I hope you get better and will not have to continue taking pills.
Hi Mark I am 8 weeks post op from level 3 fusion L3-SI. I have been on morphine off that. Oxy still on and Lyrica off that. My back doesn’t hurt but my fingertips are numb and my legs , shins and feet , feel like I have been walking for miles before I’ve taken a step. I know it’s nerve but hoping that subsides. I have spent more time in the hospital and ERs than I care to count. My back was all but collapsed at time of surgery but like you I don’t like taking Meds all the time. I can’t take a lot of the nerve meds because they cause you to retain fluid and that was a living hell and so far none have worked . People say patience, I think I lost mine. It’s hard not to get down but hearing your not alone helps so thank you!
I'm going in for spinal fusion next month and I'm scared shitless. I'm just curious how's your recovery going so far?
Thank you so much for all your videos... I see how tired you are of all the meds and shit you are going thru.. my daughter is still thinking and the drs are pressuring her saying that she needs this surgery Ive followed all your videos please keep posting your recovery... Thank you again for everything I hope you get better soon !!! xoxoxoxo
I looked at your videos in the lead up to my L4-L5 fusion and laminectomy last December. That was my second operation in two years. The first being just a laminectomy that didn't work. I also had about 8 epidural injections, before and in between the two surgeries. While it's been discouraging to hear of your post-op problems, I went ahead with the second operation after weighing the risks against the potential benefits. So far, I've been quite happy with the result.
I got out of the hospital on the second day, mostly because my urine and bowel function came back quickly. (I never used the morphine pump, nor any opioid pills.)
I know many others have experienced problems or disappointment after their surgery, but I don't want everyone to think this operation never works. So far, it's been great for me. I'm not saying that I'm 100% without pain. However, that usually involved me pushing too much during my recovery.
I hope things work out for you and everyone else facing problems.
Geez Mark - sounds like you been really through the mill. I just want to say that - the message you are putting out there is very powerful. It has made it very easy for me to make up my mind to not have surgery. So in that respect you have done me a great service - Thank you. I was under pressure to have surgery last year and didn't - thank God. I have a spondy grade 2 but have managed to go to a Ju jitsu class and even do a round or two of boxing. I can't walk more than 1000 yards but I can do alot. Enough to make surgery unjustifiable - especially having seen your videos. Thank you again Mark.
I have followed your journey. I am 3 months post op from a ALIF ( stomach approach ) 2 levels at L4- S1 with cages. I have been pain free since I woke up in recovery. I had the nurses pull my pain meds pump when I was in the room, tylenol has been enough. I have never touched 1 narcotic pain med. I am literally so sad for all these stories of post op pain. I have zero. Best of luck.
Michelle Witteveen Who was your doctor?
Thanks so very much for your videos. You have helped me! I had a bi-lateral sacroiliac joint dysfunction fusion 6 weeks ago and, thus, I am still on the mend. My doctor prescribed me Oxycodone, too. I will taper off ASAP and use Tylenol. You have taught me much. I am so saddened that you have been going through a horrendous ordeal. It is my hope that you will update again. Certainly, I hope that your pain stops. I suggest seeing a new orthopedic surgeon/neurologist, Mark. Rooting for you!
20+ years of every type of therapy and pain management you can think of. My last stop was spinal fusion surgery. I’m feeling better, some soreness, nerve pain on both legs… kinda painful but my doctor said it will go away. I’m hoping soon though. Thanks for your help and good advice.
How’s it going now?
Thank you for sharing your story of recover. I have lower back pains that has altered my life. It was determine that the cause is my L5-S1 degenerated disc. I'm thinking of surgery as the conservative approach hasn't worked. I'm at a desperate mode, but after watching your videos, I may not want it now. I hope you get better and off all meds.
I had a 3 level spinal fusion 11 months ago. I understand your pain, I am on pain medication & I don't think I could handle the daily pain. The pain I have is so different & i can do very little.
I will keep you in my prayers. I'm 55 so my children are grown so our lives are different & I'm a female.
Whatever you do just don't give up on life!
When I was working as a caregiver I injured myself assisting a client of mine. I can some what relate to your pain. I've been on every kind of meds you can think of. Been depressed no longer able to do activities that I use to do. Its a bummer...
I have had the epidural (steroid) injection, that didn't work. So I had my ortho. to remove the bugle at the L5-S1. And now he is talking about me having a spinal fusion. I couldn't make up my mind on having it. I just want to have some relief across my lower back and the numbness and tingling down my right leg and foot.
After watching your video has given me a second thought of going further with the fusion. Good luck on continuing your recovery!
I had spinal fusion 2 years ago. Not everyone has all this trouble. I had a lot of pain after the surgery and had to go on pain meds. After 8 months I weaned myself off of them. I'm in good shape now. Except I have another vertebrae that's slipping and need another spinal fusion on another vertebrae. I have no doubt I'll do it again.
This helps me to know more what I am about to go through. I am having the same surgery at Boston medical March 4th. I hope you are better and that you are now in less pain. Thanks for the documentaries.
Maureen Castanha Did you have your surgery and if so, how do you feel after?
IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WHO YOUR DOCTOR IS AND HOW GOOD IS HE AT HIS TRADE. NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE THE SAME. CHECK OUT YOUR DOCTORS RATE OF SUCCESS BEFORE OPTING FOR SURGERY. IF YOU WANT SUCCESS YOU NEED A SUCESSFUL SURGION.
I feeling your pain bro.I'm 15 months post-op lumbar fusion on L5-S1. After about the 8th month in recovery, things took a turn for the worst. My back is on fire daily.I'm still taking 10 of vicodine, lexipro muscle relaxers and various anti-inflammatorys throughout the day.
Sorry to hear about your continued pain. My wife is three weeks out from an L5-S1 fusion. She is doing great and without any pain. She is amazed at her outcomes so far. Surgery performed at Barrow Neuro Institute in Phoenix Az. ( not far from Vegas). Dr Nicholas Theodore, x military neurosurgeon, did her procedure. Highly recommend for second opinion.
Good luck and hope you can get some relief.
+mike martinell Hi Mike,I am looking at surgery at Barrow as well (right now), with Dr. Tumialan. I have been in terrible pain for 10+ years and am so sick of pain running my life every day. Do you know what grade of a spondy your wife had? Is there any way that you guys would be willing to talk to me to help me decide about getting surgery? I would sincerely appreciate any input that you would have. My email is tjgallo01@gmail.com. Thanks in advance for your help!!
Having spinal fusion L3 to S1 on the 27th of march, after 4 years of chronic pain. I appreciate the vids
Hey man thank you for the video. I appreciate your honesty. I am 5 weeks post op L4L5. It seems to be better as far as my sciatica. Did your other pain start right away after surgery or did it take awhile? And do you have trouble driving? I can't hardly push the gas without nerve pain.
Back. If marijuana is gonna do that than sign me up ASAP. What are your thoughts boss - we haven't heard from you in almost 8 months which means nothing must've changed. I understand nothing may have changed for you but your transparency, honesty and passion to kick the pills habit. Are all encouraging to me. Please put up an update soon. Thanks and God bless you and the family!
Mark, when a person is dealing with this type of thing, its so easy for them to just want to run, run, run and if its okay to say, it sounds a little like that is what you are doing. It's what I do. But I have had to learn to REST. The more you run, the more your nervous system goes into a fight or flight type response and I can see how it would be extremely difficult to get pain under control in that situation.
If you can, give yourself the space and permission to REST.
Mark I feel for you brotha, I'm 34 and have had 4 surgeries within the last 3 years in my back and spinal fusion is next on the list. I haven't found one person who has stated that spinal fusion is a great option, as a matter if fact I've found the opposite. My neurosurgeon refuses to do the spinal fusion because he feels they are a waste of time for me - but I am in 7-10 pain scale daily, there is no real down time. I'm currently taking oxycodone morphine lyrica baclofen clonazepam for pain and
had the surgery five years ago.....been on pain meds since such as tramadol, vicodin, motrin.... life has never been the same
Bro, I can't believe the similarities between you and I. I've had 6 opinions and I can't believe how dissimilar they were. Ive got a ruptured L3-4 and DDD above and below. The last thing I want to do is get out of bed...I just want to be back to where I was, looking forward to the day, goin' to the gym, riding the MC....opiates only help and they're the Goddamn devil despite the relief. I appreciate your honesty; be well bro.
I injured myself at age 19 falling off a Chinook Helicopter in the US Army. I am now 37 and have been through near 18 years of failed conservative treatments. No thanks to the VA, I am now getting surgery 12/10/13 for an L5-S1 fusion. I am hoping to have better results.
Good luck to your continued recovery. I am looking forward to a better lesser pain future myself.
hello dawn. hope the surgery went well. how is the recovery going? I will possible do the same surgery.
Howd it go?❤
I'm so sorry to hear about your 'not so great' recovery! Who did your surgery - an ortho or a neuro? I've heard so many bad outcomes, but mine was so worth it. I really never took any pain meds but had a similar issue as you. I wonder if a different doc could make it better for you? My neurosurgeon is a miracle worker. Just something to consider!! Dr. Mark Li at Lehigh Valley Health Network in Allentown, PA.
Oh my goodness, I completely understand, I had cervical neck surgery. C5 & C6, a year ago. the pain is so strong. it's very discouraging because there is nothing that calms the pain other than medications. You are not alone
Hi, I am 24 months post op on May 29, 2015. As you stated this is a life changer. I am older than you and had exhausted all avenues for relief. Finally I woke one morning in November 2012 unable to walk due to excruiating pain. Had to be laid in the seat of SUV and taken to ER. Prior I had a total hip replacement in 2001. To speed forward as to what happened I had Anterior Lumbar interbody fusion multiple levels, laminectomy, posterior spinal fusion thoracic to plevis. My motion is limited and after looking at my images I am the official Cyborg Senior. Like you I tried to limit my usage of pain meds even breaking them in half. Just when I thought I would have 2 days pain free and regains some of my memory my body would wretch with pain all the way to my toenails(lol). Presently 3 days ago a long lost relative Sciatica decided to pay me a visit on the right side. The left side was the one previously led me to surgery. Being that my motion is limited do is exercising. Forgot to mention I suffer a heart attack 9 months after surgery while having an emergency gall bladder removal. I wont give in to a life of pain meds but will continue to search for alternative. Would I Do this again? Hmmm that is the question. Blessings stay strong
I had the full spinal fusion in 2008 and the pain is far worse now then before. I can tell it's gotten worse in the last 2 years and I need to have a secondary surgery to cut down some of the rod that pokes out of my right side next to my shoulder. It's caused major nerve damage at this point. I was at a 56 percent/degree curvature before and now at 11 percent. I'd really be careful having this surgery because for me, it made everything worse in terms of physical pain. I had no option but to do the surgery unfortunately. going to start physical therapy soon so hopefully that helps.
I hope you feel better soon
What happened? Your surgery wasn’t successful?
Hi everyone I had my hard ware romevo praying that it works please keep me in your prayers I really appreciate God bless you so much
How are you now
Thanks for your posts. Hope you are better and feel up to doing an update soon. I am wondering how it's going for you now?
Weighing out the pros/cons of fusion @ L4/L5 and microdisc at L3. Also looking into ADR in Germany w/ Dr. Rudolf Bertangoli. Also wondering if any of the docs you saw mentioned ADR as a viable option for you. Thanks!
Mark I can feel your pain bro , mental / emotional pain is sometimes worse than physical. I have been avoiding a 3 level lumbar fusion for years. Used to run my commercial fish boat , race dirt bikes in the CA desert , sail etc.etc. all gone now. Have you tried the various types of Tens units available? (electric stimulation). What does your ortho say, any surgical options? Something wrong with your original surgery? I take norco (10 mg hydrocodone) and flexeril when I need it. Don't give up!
hello, I know you made this video back in 2013, but right now I am also 18 months post op L4/L5 spinal fusion. you mentioned having been on pain killers for quite awhile post surgery. Luckily I only needed very minimal pain meds for 4 months after surgery. don't get me wrong I still had pain, but I dealt with through homeopathic means. I have studied herbology and naturopathic medicine for about 20yrs. I have an excellent recipe for a cayenne pepper salve that is so simple to make and is amazingly effective for relieving pain. I also have done extensive research into the herb Wormwood. it has amazing topical pain relieving properties. I make a tincture from the wormwood and then add the tincture to a thick lotion base and apply it where ever and whenever I need it. it works within minutes, it keeps you pain free for several hours, its non addictive, has no adverse side effects (because its applied to the skin and not ingested, it won't harm any of your vital organs the way prescription pain relievers do. if anyone is interested in making cayenne salve, there are several videos on youtube that will show you how to make it. as for the wormwood tincture, i'll be happy to provide the recipe with in depth instructions for how to make it to any who is interested.but as for my physical condition at 18 months post op; I will get twinges of sciatic nerve pain if I move my body wrong such as not rolling over properly in bed or trying to sit up straight from a lying down position, or if I do something stupid such as go to the firing range with my adult son and fire 30 rounds of ammo in a hand gun and a bolt action rifle.........I was in bed with pain for 3 days after that. i do want to find out what exercises i can do to core strengthen that wont land me back on the operating table cause i bent a rod or worse- pulling a screw out of my spine. Any advice would be greatly appreciated and welcomed.
I have had 3 l4 l5 laminectomy with micro discectomies within the last 6 months. I will have the fusion this month. Thanks for your story. Please don't push yourself so hard. You may have to be less active to live pain free. Have you tried biking and swimming? Good luck.
Did you try acupuncture, it helps a lot with nerve pain, general pain management without medication at all.
I had spinal fusion surgery and it's been a nightmare I'm almost a year past the surgery and I still hurt everyday. The surgery was the worst decision I ever made in my life. I didn't do enough research because it was a traumatic injury and everything happens so fast I hope you get better but the truth of the matter is you're probably not going to and neither am I. I've been watching a lot of videos about people who have had surgeries under spine and I've yet to see one or someone is completely satisfied most are still under some level of pain. My surgery was a spinal fusion in my thoracic and my lumbar area I thought a lot of times of just dying. If you're in pain life isn't really worth living.
Mark, have you tried Neurontin (gabapentin)? It's not an opiate, but is given for nerve pain. It's also given for epilepsy, but it's the only pain med I take right now (pre-surgery). Ask your doc about it.
Man don't take anything for pain, you have to cure the pain with exercise, i had lumbar fusion about 6 years ago im in pain right now. Its not as bad as it used to be though dude you gotta realize it will always be there, surgery is to stop curve in spine getting worse. Do swimming, plank exercises, push ups, yoga it makes your core strong, stops most the pain, and makes you look better, feel confident (i was also addicted to heroin due to hating myself and pain after surgery BAD choice)
Hey buddy,
Just wondering how things are going for you and if your pain has improved? According to my doctors, my last two discs are completely closed on my nerves. I meet my surgeon next month to discuss surgery number five however this one will be arthroscopic.
I pray all is well boss....keep your head up and God bless you, your family!
How are you doing? I have been watching your videos and they have help me greatly, for that I thank you. How are you doing now? Did you get the hardware removef? PLEASE GIVE ANOTHER UPDATE!I I am supposed to have Anterior and Posterior Lumbar Fusion in a few weeks. Hope to hear from you soon.
Hey Mark, thanks for the videos and honesty. I feel your pain. I'm a 15 year military veteran and was injured in overseas. I've been through everything besides surgery. My question to you is. How do you feel a medical cannabis (marijuana)? I was really unsure about it. I smoked a little in high school and didn't know of the healing properties it possesses. It has truly been amazing in the pain relief. Anyhow, good luck in all your endeavors.
Thanks for all of the videos. I'm kind of scared of getting this exact thing done next month. I've already been on narcotics for over 10 years and the oxys for the last 6 months 30mg. The only reason I'm thinking of this fusion surgery is to get off of the pain meds and the pain.
Hi Mark. I am 4 months post-op and feel like you do. Thought I was crazy with feeling pain in the front areas. I tried to go off my Tramadol, but the back wasn't having it. I not going to do the injections. I want to go back to teaching in Sept., so I am going to swim and lose the weight..., and then slowly ease off the pain meds before Sept. Where are you now? I see this was posted last year.
Have gone back to work and how long after surgery
So sorry to her your story. Pain is awful and I know. I just want to say I wish you the best and it's your decision as meds. If they r truly helping and ur not abusing them, I'd go with quality of life. I hope for a miracle for u and myself. Take care, I wish u well.
This is a really old video. But how are you now?? In 2023
I think you should get the opinion of a 2nd neurosurgeon! Also, yoga helps. Have you tried manual adhesion release or massage?
Why do you have pain in the legs post op? Have you herniated another disc? I had a L4L5 fusion in 2011, herniated the L5S1 doing bent over rows and squats in the gym. It sucks man
a pump moephine i believe but i hope it works because i think if im in pain my recovery will be slow and the surgeon wants me to take norco post op and im afraid ill be in too much pain to be active and build strenght but i will let him know if it doesnt work i actually would like the patch but you know how dr are
sorry i had another question an my english is not good but i am curious. before the fusion do you have back pain and leg pain? or only back pain?
How are you now? I've been watching your videos. I'm going in for the same surgery weds which is Oct 30. Plz update so I can decide to go through with it or not
I would maybe reach out to a clinic in Germany called ONZ. I am contemplating going there to do my fusion.
no...the fusion L4/L5 was the first surgery.
did you have open back fusion? or did you have minimal evasavie procedure
Hang in there brother,,, I accepted the fact I will be on pain meds the rest of my life. It's much better than living in pain. I hope you can find a happy medium for yourself, I know what your going through, TY Brother,,, Much love & Respect,,, -/--
do you have a back surgery before the spinal fusion L4/5 ?
should i have this surgery? im 16. they want to try injections first but i dont think they'll work. (herniated disc L4/L5)
Take care mark God bless
Mark sweetheart, I'm so sorry about what you are going through. I am dealing with a severe lower back problem and surgery could be in my future.
I just wonder if you need to slow down a little. I truly know how hard it is to stop and not work out and to want to strengthen or stretch or, or, or. But if you don't mind a little feedback, it sounds like maybe you never really took the time to let your body/back heal from the assault of surgery. Maybe those nerves just need a rest.
Take care.
I know your pain, bud. Fusion of the L4-5 in May 2013. 3 years later and I'm in 10 times worse pain than before the procedure. Anyone contemplating this surgery...DONT DO IT. It does not work. Makes you worse. Way for doctors to make a quick 100k excactly. In my case...because I went with the suboxone to get off the meds...I cant get back into pain mngt. because that gave me a history of addiction treatment. So i'm in this pain and unable to get any help at all. In fact, I do not even want to live anymore. It's that bad.
Hi Mark, I absolutely agree. I am now 13 months post op and the pain has never subsided. I would never recommend this op to anyone. The pain anyone is having now without the op is nothing compared to the pain you experience after this procedure. People who claim to feel better are liars. Stick with what you have and forget TLIF!!!!! Learn to manage the pain you have now rather than have a doctor butcher your back. Doctors will not tell you the truth unless they've had the procedure themselves!!! take it from me, I've had this procedure here in the UK through private health - IT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!
Thanks for being so honest. It looked like Mark was butchered when I saw the first video. I knew right away that he would never be good after that. What a mess. Thank you both for sharing this horribility.
shit i know what u mean im having disc fusion l5s1 on thursday and i tried other stuf before i agreed on it i did epidural shots that sucked i did decompression pt nothing worked instead it got worse it grew 2 mm i believe in less than a month n tge pain sucks i dealt whit it with no help 5 yrs and i had enough now i take percocet 5mg n thats not enough but i dont want to over do it but the pain gets to u if u want it or not but i want to know how bad was it waking up?they are guna put me on
Are you on Gabapentn?
Before you got the surgery what would you say your pain was from 1-10?
I was constantly at a 5-6 everyday, all day. I started popping pills as soon as my feet hit the floor in the morning. I was absolutely miserable. today im about 3 years from my last fusion and feel like nothing ever happened. I would say my back is perfect now....I am able to do full squats and deadlifts with no pain at all. Sometimes I just cant believe it.
Have you ever tried Kratom it is a great pain reliever myself I would just take the meds if you can tolerate it but I understand I’ve been on pain meds for 18 years I’m looking at back surgery
I have this genetic malady as well 😞
Hi Mark
Sorry to hear what you are going through. It somewhat mirrors my own journey.
I would be interested in emailing or chatting with you if interested.
Thanks and best of luck.
johnx0910
Hi Mark I am going on my 4rd spinealb surgery.and I am wores than then I was when I started I am interested in chating with you or E-mailing with you.
How are you today?
this was a very long time ago. Had my last fusion in 2015 L4-S1. Never had a problem since. i feel great in the back dept.
@@treadbroker so you had to get another fusion if so was it due to more pressure of the disc above fusion? Also all thing being equal would you still have the fusions done?
@@h20no63 yes so after my first fusion L4/L5 I was still in pain. 2 years went by...still in pain so a new Dr. said we could take the hardware out...that maybe that was causing the pain. Took it out...still in pain. 6 months later the original fusion broke and I had to redo it. I cant remember the exact reason but I had to do a 2 level fusion the second time around. During that they found a huge nerve being pinched. Once that was released it was a game changer and I healed up nicely. If you are considering this surgery all I can tell you is find a dr. who uses the latest technologies and make sure they dont want to do a 360 degree fusion. Ive heard really bad things about those
@@treadbroker never heard of a 360 but I will look into it thanks for your input yea I'm 3 years post laminectomy and putting off L1-L4 fusion . On and off the opioids etc. All the doctors I've have seen say you can really tell after 8 to 10 years how and if the fusion workes well . Big question is did you loose much motion? I still work and I'm terrified of that
Best wishes, friend. This must be awful. It must be difficult to keep up your morale.
Sorry man.Four failed spine surgeries cervical and lumbar ALL from WEIGHT TRAINING
I was like you Could not stop training. In Pgh.It hard to get pain pills from anyone.The DEA runs it all.
Why suffer?Get on methadone tablets.I did and was 70% pain free.
Give up barbells. Get neurontin for nerve pain. STOP ALL WORKOUTS!!! Do U want to wind up like me?
I'm so sorry to hear Mark. Thank you for sharing your journey with us. I now everyone has a doctor they think is amazing and they want to share with you. I just feel compelled to share mine with you. I am a fitness instructor, mom of 2 yong girls & have a full time career. I have had chronic, dibilitating pain from l5/s1 for 6 yrs with no help until I found my NS. I also have 2 syrinxs & had a cervical fusion c6/c7 by this NS, who diagnosed my low back in 5 mins. email me mickmefit@gmail
Peace of mind plus I take ambien to sleep. My pain management people have told me about other types of natural meds which include marijuana. Right now they have a thx pill that mimics marijuana on all levels but it's not available for back patients yet. I live in Maryland and am roughly. 30 minutes from DC where I could get medical marijuana but the only reviews I've heard are mixed. I don't want to be high all. Day but I want my quality of life
Dude I hear u. Stay strong. Fuxk the meds. They want you all drugged up to milk you of your money. I had my spinal fusion in 2012 Feb. op area L3-5. And I'm good to go. Swimming will help. Best of luck. Email me if u need help.
This is hilarious. I was on 5 methadone 4 oxycodone n 3 STRONG muscle relaxers a day. I'm down to under 3 oxy no methadone n 1 muscle relaxer. It took almost 3 months but as for help???😏
Mark thanks for documenting this. 34 fit and active here. I am one week post op (L5S1)and its been tough but getting better. I'll be praying that you find a solution and that my surgery works. I hope to hear how you're doing.
You or anyone else can email me about my experience: benhudelson gmail.