Excellent, Tom. Time is always the most critical factor. I believe many schools teach overly complex recovery methods that are unrealistic (except perhaps for pro racing crews) without constant training. In high stress, you need simple. You trim it down to the essentials. Good stuff, indeed. Thanks for your thorough presentation.
My primary reason for choosing a quick-release tether is the terror of being dragged face down should I manage to slide under the lifelines, say while working at the bow. True, once released from the boat, my chances (as a singlehander) aren't much better, but at least I get to breathe a little longer! But great video overall, and lots of food for thought. Thanks so much!
What an EXCELLENT seminar! Thank you! First: My guess is that a combined flash/rescue light is stupid becouse the flashlight would drain the battery of the rescue one! XD Second: If you are tethered to the boat and it sinks then you can use your tool(knife) to cut yourself lose with. That is of course if you havent been banged in the head before that.
Jacklines in my opinion should not be rigged quite the *full* length of the boat, but rather stop a tether's length short of the bow and of the stern, so that you cannot fall off the front of the bow, nor the back of the stern and be dragged behind the boat.
I would like to add , that it's ok to toss everything that floats overboard. it will create kind of a trail to the person in the water, and the person is way more important than anything else.
Great video, full of wisdom and experience, but most valuable for the way it first analyses traditional techniques before recommending something better. In a spirit of construction, can I ask the following: 1. The video is entitled 'crew overboard'. This makes it quite difficult to locate when searching for MOB advice. A pity MOB isn't in the title as one suspects this is significantly limiting exposure to a great production! 2. In the quick-stop process, what is described as 'back 'n tack' is nothing more than a 'heave-to'. Why not call it that? 3. Under how to get back from a 'broad reach' point of sail (at 31 mins into the movie) no mention is made of what to do with the preventer on reaching the safety position. Surely the preventer will need releasing in order to de-power the headsail? 4. Presenter recommends use of the "main halyard" for bringing in the MOB. Is he accepting that release of this line will drop the main and the possible distraction that could cause? Spare halyard . . . .yes, topping lift . . . .yes, but main halyard?!!! 5. Under personal flotation devices, no mention is made of the benefits of a crotch strap with the life vest. This addition unequivocally assists in keeping the MOB more horizontal, or am I missing something?!!! 6. Harnesses . . . . why are these discussed separately from those which are integral to the life vest harness. It isn't one or the other, its both that are needed isn't it? Hope these possibly stupid suggestions are worthwhile. Thanks again for a wonderful seminar. Pete
dont agree with the canvas sling, nice idea but cannot imagine reaching under in heaving conditions to find the hook as well as maneuvering mob into sling.
This video is more than 9 years old, but haven't lost his actuality and importance. So thx for posting. Finally the right answer for you question: why this strobe light including the flashlight is unpropiead? Well I think if you have a flashlight with you, you will use it as much is needed in dark situations. The thing is, you will never know if the batterie is full or enough charged when you need the strobe light in an emergency situation. Am I right sir? ;-)
Some excellent material, thanks for posting. Regarding your opinion on the "wrong tether". We do a lot of racing including multi-day overnight events. It is now mandatory that you have a quick release type tether OR a knife on your person that can quickly disconnect you from the boat if needed. Why? because there have been multiple events worldwide where people going overboard have drowned by being dragged by the boat while still tethered to it. Also worth mentioning, have your PFD fitted with crotch straps so that in the event you go overboard, the PFD does not slide over your head and disappear. These crotch straps are now mandatory for our racing events as well. Cheers!
There is NO WAY that a MOB could be hauled up on my boat, with an Andersen 10 main halyard winch, without the use of the LifeSling 4:1 tackle. I've tried. The proper way to use the LifeSling & tackle is to use the sling to bring the MOB alongside midship, and then secure the MOB to the boat as soon as possible. Once the MOB is secured, the crew can rig the tackle. The current tackle has a clip on one end for the MOB, and a becket which is for the halyard shackle on the other. The crew should lower a halyard, and secure the becket to this halyard. Then, with the clip end, secure the MOB to the tackle. Next raise a halyard approx 10' over the deck, and cleat the halyard at the mast. Finally take the bitter end of LifeSling tackle to the halyard winch, and winch the MOB over the lifelines. The Lifesling tackles are available with 3:1 or 5:1 mechanical advantages.
Thank you Tom. very informative. We are just learning and it's great that you are putting this information out on RUclips. it helps alot because we can't afford all the courses we should have at this time. Thanks! I'm going to look into installing jack lines. when do you think it's acceptable to NOT wear a life jacket? I know it's an easy rule to always wear them.... But when moored or just sailing around the harbor in good conditions it seems a bit. we figure when out at sea, and or in bad conditions it is important to wear them.
I'd like to thank you for posting this video. I hope nobody needs to use these manuevers, but I firmly believe every skipper should know these techiques, and pass them on to every person that puts a foot on their decks. When I'm on the water, and find an unusual or in higher risk situations, I always think, how would I adapt these methods or react if I had an MOB. Every sitution is differant and if you have a plan in hand, you will react faster. Exellent video, this will save lives! Thank You!
Excellent, Tom. Time is always the most critical factor. I believe many schools teach overly complex recovery methods that are unrealistic (except perhaps for pro racing crews) without constant training. In high stress, you need simple. You trim it down to the essentials. Good stuff, indeed. Thanks for your thorough presentation.
My primary reason for choosing a quick-release tether is the terror of being dragged face down should I manage to slide under the lifelines, say while working at the bow. True, once released from the boat, my chances (as a singlehander) aren't much better, but at least I get to breathe a little longer! But great video overall, and lots of food for thought. Thanks so much!
What an EXCELLENT seminar! Thank you!
First: My guess is that a combined flash/rescue light is stupid becouse the flashlight would drain the battery of the rescue one! XD
Second: If you are tethered to the boat and it sinks then you can use your tool(knife) to cut yourself lose with. That is of course if you havent been banged in the head before that.
Jacklines in my opinion should not be rigged quite the *full* length of the boat, but rather stop a tether's length short of the bow and of the stern, so that you cannot fall off the front of the bow, nor the back of the stern and be dragged behind the boat.
I would like to add , that it's ok to toss everything that floats overboard. it will create kind of a trail to the person in the water, and the person is way more important than anything else.
Great video, full of wisdom and experience, but most valuable for the way it first analyses traditional techniques before recommending something better. In a spirit of construction, can I ask the following:
1. The video is entitled 'crew overboard'. This makes it quite difficult to locate when searching for MOB advice. A pity MOB isn't in the title as one suspects this is significantly limiting exposure to a great production!
2. In the quick-stop process, what is described as 'back 'n tack' is nothing more than a 'heave-to'. Why not call it that?
3. Under how to get back from a 'broad reach' point of sail (at 31 mins into the movie) no mention is made of what to do with the preventer on reaching the safety position. Surely the preventer will need releasing in order to de-power the headsail?
4. Presenter recommends use of the "main halyard" for bringing in the MOB. Is he accepting that release of this line will drop the main and the possible distraction that could cause? Spare halyard . . . .yes, topping lift . . . .yes, but main halyard?!!!
5. Under personal flotation devices, no mention is made of the benefits of a crotch strap with the life vest. This addition unequivocally assists in keeping the MOB more horizontal, or am I missing something?!!!
6. Harnesses . . . . why are these discussed separately from those which are integral to the life vest harness. It isn't one or the other, its both that are needed isn't it?
Hope these possibly stupid suggestions are worthwhile. Thanks again for a wonderful seminar.
Pete
Thank you
dont agree with the canvas sling, nice idea but cannot imagine reaching under in heaving conditions to find the hook as well as maneuvering mob into sling.
The figure 8 movement is absurd! Asking to lose site of the MOB, and panic novice crew...
This video is more than 9 years old, but haven't lost his actuality and importance. So thx for posting.
Finally the right answer for you question: why this strobe light including the flashlight is unpropiead?
Well I think if you have a flashlight with you, you will use it as much is needed in dark situations.
The thing is, you will never know if the batterie is full or enough charged when you need the strobe light in an emergency situation.
Am I right sir? ;-)
Some excellent material, thanks for posting. Regarding your opinion on the "wrong tether". We do a lot of racing including multi-day overnight events. It is now mandatory that you have a quick release type tether OR a knife on your person that can quickly disconnect you from the boat if needed. Why? because there have been multiple events worldwide where people going overboard have drowned by being dragged by the boat while still tethered to it. Also worth mentioning, have your PFD fitted with crotch straps so that in the event you go overboard, the PFD does not slide over your head and disappear. These crotch straps are now mandatory for our racing events as well. Cheers!
There is NO WAY that a MOB could be hauled up on my boat, with an Andersen 10 main halyard winch, without the use of the LifeSling 4:1 tackle. I've tried.
The proper way to use the LifeSling & tackle is to use the sling to bring the MOB alongside midship, and then secure the MOB to the boat as soon as possible. Once the MOB is secured, the crew can rig the tackle. The current tackle has a clip on one end for the MOB, and a becket which is for the halyard shackle on the other. The crew should lower a halyard, and secure the becket to this halyard. Then, with the clip end, secure the MOB to the tackle. Next raise a halyard approx 10' over the deck, and cleat the halyard at the mast. Finally take the bitter end of LifeSling tackle to the halyard winch, and winch the MOB over the lifelines. The Lifesling tackles are available with 3:1 or 5:1 mechanical advantages.
Thank you Tom. very informative. We are just learning and it's great that you are putting this information out on RUclips. it helps alot because we can't afford all the courses we should have at this time. Thanks!
I'm going to look into installing jack lines. when do you think it's acceptable to NOT wear a life jacket? I know it's an easy rule to always wear them.... But when moored or just sailing around the harbor in good conditions it seems a bit. we figure when out at sea, and or in bad conditions it is important to wear them.
Word thats awesome
Amazing guys thanks
Excellent post!
I'd like to thank you for posting this video. I hope nobody needs to use these manuevers, but I firmly believe every skipper should know these techiques, and pass them on to every person that puts a foot on their decks.
When I'm on the water, and find an unusual or in higher risk situations, I always think, how would I adapt these methods or react if I had an MOB. Every sitution is differant and if you have a plan in hand, you will react faster.
Exellent video, this will save lives! Thank You!
Fascinating insights and lots of common sense. Thanks Captain Tom!
you really need to film it as well,
Mob mohiigan rescu
Excellent Thx You
This was way better than what I was exposed to in ASA training. Thanks, Tom!