I think one of the big mistakes some make, is assuming it was only the Hebrews/Israelites that worshipped YHWH. The Bible itself tells us, other peoples did too, we have gentiles long before Moses who did in Genesis all over the place. One, Melchizedek, was even called a king and priest of YHWH, yet had nothing to do with the Hebrews.
According to the Bible, Edom is the land of Esau, Jacob's brother. Being that according to this identification the Edomites are a people related to the Israelites, is it possible that among the Edomites there were those who worshipped YHVH, even before the time of the Exodus?
Could this group of Shasu have simply been the remnant that wasn’t allowed enter the promised land and wandered on foot an additional forty year or til they died, whichever came first?
Hey, is John Walton right that Egyptian Creation Accounts weren't questioning material origins, but rather functional origins? Or is he misinterpreting the Egyptian texts?
I've never been able to identify a mountain as Seir. Just its general location in Edom, maybe close to the King's Highway. Laban means white and is mentioned in DT 1:1. One possibility is Al-Lajjun, a Jordanian region of phosphorite-bituminous chalk 26 miles east of the Dead Sea. Or another is Abu Al-Luson which is a town 17 miles south-west of Ma'an.
"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3) The Soleb Inscription - YHWH inscription on Amon-Re temple built by the Pharaoh Amenhotep III “land of the nomads of YHWH” (c. 1400 BC) Mt. Ebal Curse Tablet - YHW inscription on lead “you will surely die. Cursed by YHW” (c. 1400 BC-1200 BC) The Merneptah Stele - Pharaoh Merneptah “Israel is wasted, its seed is not; and Canaan is become a widow because of Egypt” (c.1208 BC) The Shishak Inscription - relief from the temple wall at Karnak built by Pharaoh Shishak “the fields of Abraham” and “highlands of David” (c.925 BC) Berlin Pedestal - cartouches inscribed into base of Egyptian victory stele, 18th Dynasty Egypt “Ashkelon” “Canaan” “Israel” (c.1550 BC-1292 BC) Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III & Annals of Shalmaneser III - Assyrian relief of King Jehu and stone tablet record of tribute “I received tribute… from Jehu of the house of Omri” (c. 841 BC) Tel Dan Stele - Canaanite inscription “I killed…king of Israel… of the House of David” (c.796 BC) The King Hezekiah Bulla - royal clay seal of 12th king of the Kingdom of Judah, King Hezekiah “Belonging to Hezekiah [son of] Ahaz, king of Judah” (c.727 BE-698 BC) The Isaiah Bulla - clay seal of the Prophet Isaiah “Belonging to prophet Isaiah” (c.700 BC)
@@nikduke23 just chiming in here to leave something that may be of interest concerning this. It seems to be Hebrew to answer your question. But check out a time lapse of afroasiatic languages on yt. It corroborates Noah's landing on Mt. Ararat, Turkey.
This is interesting on another level. It shows that an army can be sustained when traveling on a lower route across Sinai. If we knew how the Egyptians got to Edom. If they crossed from Suez to Ezion-Geber. Or, from Tell el-Maskhuta to Beer-sheba then from there across the Negeb and Zin to Edom. The logistic might of been of interest to say Moses. One additional thought. Kadesh-Barnea was most likely at Petra. This was a holy site for a number of various worshipers. One could be Yahweh.
I see some connection with the Midianites. They are somewhat related to Edom and live in their proximity, we have Jethro who was a high priest and worshipped the God of Israel and ultimately, like Edom, they came from Abraham and shared religious similarities regarding Yahweh. I believe they might be Midianites.
@John Wright The Jews were protecting their religion. Jesus came in truth, same truth as the father of Abraham. Which is the 1 and only true God. Hashem. I too, dont protect a religion. So I praise Hashem, the Father of Abraham, the Father of Jesus Christ. No religion needed. Truth can stand on its own, in Jesus name, glorifying the Father, who Hashem is how we can best relate to Him in truth, on the inside for those whose the Name has come to them.
Its not pagan hashem the name in bereisheet used for the Nephiliym its not lat latinized yod hay vav hay Yehovah its not messoretic hebrew germanized with germanic w yod hay wah hay Yahweh it is YHUH as the ancient hieroglyphics of paleo hebrew and the ancient cepher says it is yod hay uau hay. YAHUAH
And the meshiachs name is not zeus kristnia or jesus christ of pagan romes state religion his real name was YAHUSHA HA' mashiach there is no j in paleo hebrew and that is the name of the son of NUN it is impossible for his name to be joshua or YESHUAH wich is a word not a name that means salvation it means behold the nailed hands salvation the cornerstone that Yashar'el rejected
land of the Shasu of Laban was mentioned. Laban was Jacobs father in law. Is it possible that the Shasu were divided up as segments of a larger tribe? We know that Laban could not have been an Israelite but his description seems to be that of someone of high standing. So it seems possible they could be named after their tribal leaders and YHU coulda been just that, a tribal leader. I loved this and thanks!
Well, if they're known from the Bible (and it's a big if given the likelihood of "Yahu" being a non-theophoric), the Shasu of Yahu would presumably be a part of the Midianite-Kenite complex. Suffice to say that the term would only really work were this so if one accepts a 19th dynasty context for the Exodus.
Qāws or Qos, an Edomite god, is in my humble opinion most likely who Yhw is. Yhw being used as a title of Qāws the Edomite Equivalent of YHWH makes a lot sense if you consider the meaning of YHWH which "He will be" paralleling "Ehyah" meaning "I will be" though commonly translated as "I am."
Hey E&B 😃, I really enjoy your content thank you for doing this. It was quite refreshing to see an actual opposition to the early Exodus and Rohls mumbo jumbo, you totally convinced me 😅 we totally lacked that in Patterns of Evidence (ie. We are only told that the opposition is a bunch of atheistic short-sighted biggots, Rohl is the top tier, Douglas and others are also okay but Ramses ones are totally wrong and blind). I would really like if you could make a video about Philistines. Why are they and their cities mentioned during Abraham and other patriarchs? Why do they have semitic names? When exactly did the real Philistines come to that region in Bible history and are there any proofs of that in the Bible (like a sudden change of names from semitic to Philistine names). Why is the word Philistine almost always translated as a foreign in Septuagint? How to understand the table of nations concerning Philistines? Its such an interesting and huge topic, and it relates to the early vs late exodus debate and could be made into a small series of videos. But anyway thank you for your content again, God bless you 😃
It is disappointing that you were in such a hurry to do this video that you neglected to do a thorough etymology on the name Shasu. Because the Shasu is not a particular tribe or nation, but it is Egyptian for "someone who travels on foot", it can also be used to denote "a wanderer" or "nomad".
Have you read Daniel E. Fleming's recent book on this? He makes the argument that the Shasu were proto-Israelite and that Yahu is a toponym, perhaps named after a person.
I haven't read Fleming's book. But I've heard the theory proposed before. I don't think the Shasu were proto-Israelites, although Yahu could have been a toponym.
You can’t see the forest because of the tree. You don’t see YHWH working thru man almost until Abraham, whose children were chosen to bring HIS WORD and Salvation thru His messiah. What about in Genesis 4 where when men begin to defame THE NAME OF YHWH? What about Noah, Methuselah and Enoch? Melchizedek and others that were Righteous Preachers. HIS WORDS AND LAWS predated the time most would like to recognize it seems.
No es determinante,pero es suficiente para no mirar hacia otro lado.Laban es el nombre del suegro de Abraham en el relato del Génesis si no me equivoco.
If Yahu is in fact Yahweh, wouldn't this be a serious objection to the burning bush account? Yahweh reveals himself to Moses by his name YHWH a name that apparently his forefathers did not know. If the Israelites simply picked it up from the Shasu wouldn't this be a problem?
@@ancientegyptandthebible I see your point, but it seems a little too convenient to me. Yahweh chooses to reveal his name to one other group of people on the planet, and the Israelites just happen to live within walking distance? I dunno...
@@rataroto3065 Except at that point in time, they are not simply walking distance. The Israelites are living in Egypt, and they are worshipping Baal, Resphef, and Astarte.
@@ancientegyptandthebible it's still pretty close though. A lot closer than YHWH revealing himself to a people group in Hawaii! Doesn't this give a strong case to the atheist position that the Israelites simply adopted Yahweh worship from these Shasu nomads? Unless Yahu was simply a place name I suppose
@@rataroto3065 Again not necessarily. Yes, an atheist might claim that, but that isn't the only explanation. Other explanations are that God revealed himself to the Midianites as Yahweh, just like he revealed himself as El Shaddai to Abraham. Still another explanation is that the real God was like a deity worshipped by the Midianites (a identity and form of worship that wasn't in and of itself pagan) and He assumed the name of that god as a form of condescension.
If possible, is there any additional information or sources that you would recommend on the Shasu vs Levatine Asiatic in 8:53 that I could read/watch more about?
I believe some of them were followers of Yuya the chariot chief of Amenhotep III. He was considered a God in Egypt being the equal to Amenhotep III and they may have worshipped him as Yahweh-YHWH.
I thank you, Dr David for clearing missconception about this important subject.... But, in saying that those Shasu, may have worshipped YHWH, and if they are not the Israelites, how could this be the case ? This is my only misunderstanding of what you are trying to say in this video.
Well, let’s say I believe in only 1 God Who is *truly* worthy of the title. Is that enough to make me an Israelite? Probably not. I may not belong to that ethno-religious group in any significant way, though we may have a lot in common.
@@claymcdermott718 okay.... Would make sense, if it wasn't for The fact that the specific name was given to Moses after the Israelites departed from Egypt, when Moses asked Him about His name, which, even by the Early Date, is too late for that inscription. In all honesty, I am really confused about this problem...... I May be wrong to be confused, but I don't see that it is wrong to be confused with all of this Information going on here.
Shasu of YAHWEH is here, we are Inuit!!!. As a seal hunter in Canada's Arctic we wait for seals for hours and hours at a time, sometimes for more than 24 hours. I pray in Yashuah's name that you will receive the same amount of patience, strength, and the knowledge to beat evil. I PRAY TO YAHWEH FROM THE TOP OF MY HEART. YAHWEH! YAHWEH! YAHWEH! As you created heaven and earth with your WORDS and created humans as an exact beings as YOURSELF here on Earth, that with my WORDS have the same amount of POWER in YASHUAH's name!!! Daniel 7:21-22 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and prevailing against them, 22 Until the Ancient of Days arrived and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for them to possess the kingdom.
Why do you pronounce “Seir” as [siˈɛɹ̠] (see-EHR) instead of [sɛˈiɹ̠] (seh-EER)? Is it just perceived contradiction arising from opposing adjustments in transliteration versus non-native pronunciation?
@@Xenotypic Exactly. God may have revealed himself to many around the world in Old Testament times but we’re not told about it because it wasn’t necessary for us. Paul says in Romans 1 that they knew him.
Weill, it is similar but it's not exactly the same. Yahw actually has an Egyptian alef between the y and h, and it doesn't have the final h. Unfortunately, there is no way to know what Yahu means with authority unless we find a corroborating discovery.
@@abc_12333 Generally accepted by whom? The Temple of Yahweh is different, which is we know it was founded by Israelites in the 4th-5th century. There is a context that confirms the identification of Yahu with Yahweh. This is not true of every context where we find the letters Y-H-W. This is why we need to use rigor and caution when we broach this subject. Otherwise, we just end up reading what we want in a manner similar to what the Gnostics did.
Hey David, I've started watching some of your vids and have been fascinated by them! It's showing sides of archaeological discourse that I haven't heard before, so thank you! What's your opinion on when and who wrote the old testament, particularly the torrah? I've heard some say that bits and pieces were written thousands of years after the events they describe, and that the torrah was compiled together during the Persian rule.
I commented on a basically a big claim video on a "fusion of two gods" where they replied that the use of Yahu is how they would use it to refer to a god. If it were so simple to interpret in that way then I assume that Israel's use in the children of Israel could place Israel in the same way, which is absurd. Tell me if I'm wrong.
Yahu is Ah(=Aga of Kish) which is put at the end of Jewish names, as well as Esau’s son Korah, so Ah(iahu/yahu)-mose royal family of Egypt should have been Hebrew. Yahovah also includes Ah, but it could mean Yakov because Yahovah was God of 12 tribes. There was Izumo(the kanji can be read idom) dynasty in ancient Japan and many gods worshipped at shrines have names ‘Ahmose’. Izumo clan has the family tree which includes names like Ahmose(Abraham?) Amenhotep(Isaac?), Ezo(Esau), Kashta(Kushite king), Tiri(Taharka, Kushite), Keros(Cyrus the great), and Kanbi(Cambyses, Cyrus’ son).
There are evidences in Japan that Isaac was called Sheba and Kush. In this case Ham was Abraham who saw his father (probably Noah was a woman, his mother or father’s wife?) naked. Abraham’s mother was Amathlaa who is Japanese emperor’s ancestor. Queen of Sheba had a son with King Solomon. Messiah will come from Solomon’s bloodline, probably Cyrus the great of the family tree of Izumo clan above.
The Shasu of Payaspayas: later incorporated into the Israelite tribe of Asher as the clan Pispa? 1 Chr. 7:38 lists Pispa among the descendants of Jether (cf Jethro?), along with a certain Jephunneh (namesake of the Kenizzite, Caleb's father). Other people named Jether include two Judahites, one a descendant of Jerahmeel (1 Chr. 2:32) and the brother of the mysterious Mered, who married Bithiah, daughter of the king of Egypt (1 Chr. 4:17-18). Context seems to indicate the region of south-eastern Judah and adjacent areas of Edom.
@@abc_12333 thanks. Re: the Shasu of Payaspayas, I'm pretty sure they only appear in Ramsses II's inscription of Amara West (they're not attested in the Soleb inscription of Amenhotep III). Though I'm sure Dr. Falk could recommend some secondary sources.
@@theelf29 YHW, related to the shasu was a city it seems to me? excuse me I don't know how to write in English I take the translator I ask you his questions if you can answer them And Y H W H ? and YAHUH And Y A U h is there a similarity? is this the egyptian god? many call god so, What do you think ? thank you for your answer
OK I don’t know if anybody else understands shasu Means it basically means people people of Yahweh so what I am understanding is when you see that word it represents people
YAHWEH Thank you. YAHWEH!!!! The time is now, as you made the world and earth with your WORDS. As your servant, than you for making my words as same as yours on this KINGDOM ON EARTH!!!!! YAHWEH, our WORDS can't be ignored anymore. THANK YOU YHWH. For picking us as your servants. As Jacobs sons were able to fight, WE GIVE OURSELVES to be able to beat evil. YAHWEH! YAHWEH! YAHWEH!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
@@ancientegyptandthebible if you study the Hebrew language, when you go to concordance if the word LORD in Exodus 3:14 it’s yehovah but theirs no “V” or “W” sounds in paleo Hebrew
The Israelites were many tribes from many places that came together the name I went by at the time was Yaka it means God behold but when the Israelites passed through that area they took YHWH as a reminder not to say Yaka I go by Yahu and my new religion is Shasu
SHASU or SHASAS -Rak Shasas belong to Hindu Assuras, SHASU were not ISRAELITES. They were still are Kenites/GYPSIES. Rak-shasas check Hindu history. Hindu Rak-Shasas they lost their position in India moved to Cannan,Moab ,Edom and Arabic penisula known as Nabatheans. SHASU - SUTU - SETI - SONS OF Seth. They were 5 clans of SHASU they ruled to all Cannan. SHASU SAMATH or SHASU Salem were Yahweh worshipers,they were allready in Israel before arrival of Abraham .
Hi Dr.Falk, I don’t know if you have seen the theory of Thomas Römer who says that yahweh and his tetragram come from the Shasu who invented the tetragram and that Yahweh would be a pagan deity who would have evolved into the God we know today. Thomas Romer is an exegete, philologist and biblical scholar who has written several books to demonstrate that Yahweh is only an invented God, that Moses and a copy of Sargon, etc….thank you in advance for your answer (sorry for my bad english i am french)
I am aware of Römer's views, and needless to say I think they are flawed. Moses is not a copy of Sargon. The only similarities are in the birth narratives and even then there are too many differences to make that assertion of copying credible. Moreover, there are also difficulties with the idea that the Shasu invented Yahweh let alone originated with the Shasu, so to double-down on that hypothesis is fraught with speculation. Now, that doesn't negate the hypothesis, but it does cast serious doubts about the evidentiary power of it. Nevertheless, some have suggested that the Kenite hypothesis is a potential origin of Yahweh, which would be reasonable given the Biblical narrative. But even if you could trace the origins of Yahweh to a specific locale, that would not necessarily mean that Yahweh is an invented God. That is an intellectual leap that goes too far in my opinion.
@@ancientegyptandthebibleArab means desert dwellers or Semitic nomads so they were Arabs Today Saudi population and Jordanian bedouins are the remnants of these nomads
Some of Hindu Shashas convert to Yahweh worshiping they start follow Melchizedek many years before Abraham they were ancestors of Roma Gypsies or Rechabites. SHASU WERE KENITES.
Shasu of YHWH are INUIT!!!!! WE are SHASU OF YHWH!!!!! YAHWEH!!!!! YAHWEH!!!! YAHWEH!!!!!! THANK YOU YAHWEH. AYAHYAH YAH AYAH YAH Alianaituqapu Inunialirama Ulusulitauva IYAHYAH YAHYAHYAH iYAHYAH IYAHYAHYAH. Our traditional song is AYAHYAH YAH!!!!!
RAK- SHASAS OR SHASA WERE ASURA BRAHMINS , ROYAL FAMILY WERE KNOWN AS GIANTS OR ANAK. NOT ALL WERE GIANTS ONLY ROYAL FAMILY WERE. DESCENT FROM Brahma Amurru descent. Amurru were Semites,they called Amuru because they ruled to Amorires,but they were sons of Shem.
"Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God" (Genesis 14) Melchizedek was not an Israelite, nor would that term have had any significance at that period since there were no Israelites yet. But, Melchizedek worshipped God. "I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (El) , but by my name the LORD (YHWH) was I not known to them" (Exodus 6) The great insight revealed to Moses at Mt. Horeb was that of the existential reality which is God (יהוה). That is, God is existence in and of Himself and not simply the greatest among objects which exist. God is existence. God is the singularly self-evident axiom from which all else is derived: ipsum esse subsistens. "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM (יהוה) : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM (יהוה) hath sent me unto you... this is my name forever" (Exodus 3) "and you shall call His name JESUS (יהוה saves) for it is He who will save His people from their sins" (Matthew 1) "I, even I, Am the LORD (יהוה) and apart from Me there is no Savior" (Isaiah 43)
I think it's also possible that Shasu of yhw are "hebrews", and the conquest of Canaan was done by others (if that happened). Later there was an alliance of tribes - one of them was the shasu and they bought their god, others brought their conquest stories in the mix. So maybe the origin story of the israelites is the combined version of different tribes' different events, heroes etc.
So.. "shasu" would be the Egyptian term similar to a nomadic tribe. There can be other tribes (shasu) without making it impossible for the "shasu of YHW" to be the Israelites. Also, that timing fits rather perfectly. Solomon's temple was built around the year 960 BCE. And 1 kings 6:1 dates that as "480 years after the Israelites came out of Egypt." Putting the start of the Exodus around 1440 BCE, during the reign of Thutmose III. Would Thutmose II know about the nomads of YHW? Of course. They were his servants. They hadn't left yet. Even though they were only actually "nomadic" (physically wandering) for 40 years (putting entry to Israel at AROUND 1400 BCE)... They had picked a spot they liked, but they would still be considered more of a "tribe" (shasu) than a "legitimate nation" by Egyptian standards as they wouldn't have a king for a few centuries. And yes, if you read Judges, they had quite a few times where they were defeated and subdued. No, they weren't to live intermixed with Edomites, no.. but from Egypt's perspective, all those guys were around the same area, off to the east. Just like if you ask any American today where Guatemala and Honduras are... Yeah, they're both down south (even when people understand that they are distinct countries). ... Sounds not all Shasu we're Israelites, of course not. But the "Shasu of YHW" probably were. Especially considering the Defixio recently announced to have been found at an alter on Mt. Ebal... An alter with a ramp, and the burnt bones of exclusively kosher animals, with a curse in the name of YHW in Paleo Hebrew, dating to approximately the same time as that inscription (around 1400 BCE). Seemingly in accordance with the command Israelites were given to set up an alter and pronounce curses on that very mountain. Seems like an increased amount of supporting evidence.
> So.. "shasu" would be the Egyptian term similar to a nomadic tribe. There can be other tribes (shasu) without making it impossible for the "shasu of YHW" to be the Israelites. Not really. The Shasu are a specific ethnonym. There is more than sufficient pictorial evidence to show that Shasu are a distinct ethnicity, not just a generic term for nomadic tribes. > Also, that timing fits rather perfectly. Solomon's temple was built around the year 9istinc60 BCE. And 1 kings 6:1 dates that as "480 years after the Israelites came out of Egypt." Putting the start of the Exodus around 1440 BCE, during the reign of Thutmose III. What do you do with the not-so-perfect fact that the places mentioned in the Book of Exodus could not have been built until the reign of Seti I and Ramesses II? Are you claiming that the route of the Israelites mentioned in Exodus and Numbers wasn’t written until hundreds of years after Moses? > Would Thutmose II know about the nomads of YHW? Of course. They were his servants. They hadn't left yet. Don’t you think that it might be a problem that the Shasu of Thutmosis II were living in Canaan? The document that mentions these Shasu are encountered while Thutmosis II is on campaign in Canaan. Isn’t it a problem if you claim the Israelites were living both inside and outside of Egypt at the same time prior to the exodus? > Even though they were only actually "nomadic" (physically wandering) for 40 years (putting entry to Israel at AROUND 1400 BCE)... They had picked a spot they liked, but they would still be considered more of a "tribe" (shasu) than a "legitimate nation" by Egyptian standards as they wouldn't have a king for a few centuries. The problem is that Shasu of Yahw are part of a conquest narrative of the area around Mt. Seir. These references to Shasu of Yahw occur no earlier than 1389 BC. Wouldn’t this be a problem for your “perfect fit”? 51 years after the exodus, shouldn’t the Israelites have already entered the Promised Land and conquered Jericho, Ai, and Hazor? But is not also a problem that Hazor was not destroyed until around 1220 BC? Is this not the wrong place and time if the Shasu of Yahw were Israelites? > No, they weren't to live intermixed with Edomites, no.. but from Egypt's perspective, all those guys were around the same area, off to the east. Just like if you ask any American today where Guatemala and Honduras are... Yeah, they're both down south (even when people understand that they are distinct countries). Don’t you think it is a problem that conquest toponym lists were recorded in sequential order? You did realize that the Egyptians did not randomly gather place names into lists? These lists are arranged in the sequential order that these conquests took place. This is why all the tribes of the Shasu are mentioned next to each other. They are all living around Mt. Seir in Edom. > ... Sounds not all Shasu we're Israelites, of course not. But the "Shasu of YHW" probably were. Why were the “Shasu of Yahw” probably Israelites? Where’s the evidence for this? What’s the evidence that Yahw is even the same as YHWH? You don’t have sufficient evidence here to make this “probably.” > Especially considering the Defixio recently announced to have been found at an alter on Mt. Ebal... An alter with a ramp, and the burnt bones of exclusively kosher animals, with a curse in the name of YHW in Paleo Hebrew, dating to approximately the same time as that inscription (around 1400 BCE). The amulet find is highly contested and was announced by a group known to alter the data to arrive at 1446 BC exodus dates. None of the raw data for that find has been released. And all the archaeological evidence from that site dates to no earlier than ca. 1200 BC. They are asserting a claim that is not supported by the existing evidence. > Seems like an increased amount of supporting evidence. Unfortunately, I think the “evidence” that the Shasu of Yahw were the Israelites is sketchy at best. It’s all based upon a dubious reading of 1 Kings 6:1, a text known to have other explanations. Can you at least see why I am skeptical about this?
@Ancient Egypt and the Bible 1- Regarding the translation of shasu: I would point to the context of there being "shasu of" different areas and peoples as evidence of this applying to different groups. But, we can simply disagree there. 2- k, which places could not have existed until then, and why? For example, if you're referring to something like "the city of Ramses" because it couldn't have been ned Ramses until after the Pharaoh by that name ruled... I would point out that the title of your channel is "Ancient Egypt." Should we say "Egypt could not have existed at that time, because it would have been referred to as Kemet or Misr or Mizraim, depending on who was speaking and when? And the concept of "Egypt" did not exist for many centuries? I would acknowledge that Joseph would never have known a city called "Ramses." It was Avaris at the time. And just like we translate hieroglyphics written about "Misr" as "Egypt," the book of Exodus may use later names for cities. 3- Not really... The last kings of those lands were kings of the Canaanites and Edomites and Moabites and Midianite, etc. Calling those lands by those names is normal. As of the 14th-12th centuries, Israel still had no king, and Egypt wasn't fond of the people, hence referring to them as simply a shasu that murdered the real kings of those lands, rather than an actual kingdom in it's own right. As another example, some people today absolutely refuse to refer to "Palestine" as having ever actually existed. Or to "Palestinians" as a real group of people. Political bias and revisionism still happens today. Always has. 4- Yes, IF the Exodus started somewhere around 1440 (I wouldn't argue +/- a decade or so), then they would have finished their conquest of that area, and taken Jerusalem by 1400. They weren't confined to a single city. I won't claim to know the exact borders at exact points in history, but Mt. Seir is quite close. If a pharoh went along Israel's southern border, and conquered some other tribes, including sacking some Israelite city in the vicinity of the mountain, it's not surprising for some Israelite city to be around there. Amenhotep I and II (and Thutmose IV) all brag about victories over the "tribe of YHW", the Aperu (which could be Hebrews), and the nation of Israel (Merneptah Stele)... Skepticism is fine, of course, if there is some specific other group that goes by those names, sure, point it out. It's possible for other groups to have similar names! But, if there's no evidence to suggest that beyond that "this might not be who it seems to be" simply because there is no other evidence (as long as we deny each piece of evidence on the basis of there being no other pieces, because we've denied them as well)... Then that's not skepticism anymore. For example, you're citing precise years like "1389 BC"... What makes you so confident in the accuracy of those specific dates beyond the record kept by those people? If we consider the records kept by Egypt to be historical... And the records kept by Assyria and Babylon and Persia, and every other country to be historical... Why do we presume the (more specific) records kept by the Hebrews to be completely mythical, no matter how many archeological finds keep turning up that keep coinciding with those records.
@@morielrorschach8090 I'm posting on this video again because many videos use the Soleb and Amara-West Temple inscriptions as proof of the Israelites were n Canaan during the reign of Amenhotep III 1389-1351 BC. One of the problems is that Garstang found two Amenhotep III scarabs in tombs at Jericho. Putting the date of the end of Jericho at least 17 years after the 1406 BC early date of conquest. There is no +/- 10 years allowed with the early date exodus. It has to be 1446 BC or not. The second bird in the Soleb 'ywh' inscription is damaged and may be a falcon. The reason the 'yhw' inscription doesn't indicate it is a god may be because there were no idols. Egyptians may not recognize a god without idols.
@@501Mobius Well, I've seen plenty of debate about the key date (the building of solomon's temple) being anywhere between 966 and 957 BCE... hence, giving some range. Likewise, there's also about a +/- 20 year range for the ascension years of each pharoh. If you're interested in some dry reading, you can search for a paper called "Bayesian modelling of an absolute chronology for Egypt’s 18th Dynasty by astrophysical and radiocarbon methods" ... which lays out some evidence that would suggest Amenhotep III could have reigned earlier than wikipedia suggests... potentially early enough for his scarab to appear in Jericho. ... at least less of a problem for the 15th century exodus than the suggestion of a 13th century exodus (and Jericho seeming to have fallen a couple centuries earlier).
@@morielrorschach8090 With the discovery of the Amarna letters there is more synchronism dating than when Garstang had his discovery. Interestingly he gave the start date of Amenhotep III as 1410. to work around the problem. I expect to see more fabrication of the temple date when others realize the implication of a later Amenhotep III. The scarab date problem is fatal to the early date exodus. It presents no problem at all for the late date. The 'yhw' in Seir presents some problems for both dates. For the early dates there is a question of why were some Israelites left behind and settled at Kadesh Barnea? (Kadesh Barnea is not within the Promised Land otherwise Moses couldn't go there.) And why weren't the tribes in Edom unified into one single group in the record if they unified to oppose Moses? How did the Egyptians get to Edom? By land they would have to pass through and conquer the towns in the Negev and Zin that Joshua took. No Bible record of that exists.
“When Elyon (The Most High) gave the nations an inheritance, when he divided humankind, he set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of Bull El’s children, and Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob, the lot of his inheritance.” How did the Israelites depict YHVH in the Bible when given the chance? A Golden Bull. Were they agricultural or were they herdsmen? Semitic, Proto-Canaanites, their rulers, the Hyksos, are all WELL before the Israelites, but it doesn’t mean they didn’t have those pre-existing influences to draw from for their stories. Moses’ origins are lifted from King Sargon of Akkad, but giving him a position of temporary rule, lines up with what the Hyksos were. Temporary rulers in a foreign land. El, Ba’al, and Asherah were amongst their pantheon of gods, El being the most high. Amenhotep the II did imprison some Semitic peoples, and Amenhotep the IV was the first ruler to mandate Monotheism. The Israelites likely were NOT the Shasu, or vice versa, however as nomadic tribes traveling thru their lands, this Yahu Storm/War God may have been adopted into their pantheon. Soon, the Cult of Yahweh gets strong enough to start rewriting history. He who controls the narrative and all that… Soon, the puzzle pieces start coming together. Why did the Deuteronomic Class make a subtle distinction between Yahweh and El(ohim), and call Yahweh the Bull El? Why did the Torah depict Yahweh AS a Bull God? Lastly, hundreds of years before Isaiah, the Canaanites have the myth of Ba’al, the Son/Sun of God (El), outshining the interloper Attar (Venus), as It tried as the “Morning Star” to reach the Heavenly Zenith. Why do the Israelites keep “forgetting” their God, and have to pull down Asherah poles (some temple remains still have a place for “Yahweh’s Consort, Asherah”, so he stole El’s peoples and his woman, and then killed and buried her under the front porch boards). Yahweh = Yahu, and it’s pronounced Yahoo, the sound of the wind blowing. Seems hilariously fitting.
There is no time problem identifying the nomads of Yahu as Israel. The Israelites were primarily herders and shepherders--that is their sustenance was maintained by a *nomadic* existence even *after* their entrance and possession of Canaan.
You are mistaken. There is a time problem because there is a geography problem. The Shasu of Yahu were located in Edom. The Israelites never entered Edom--they were forbidden to do so by God--and the Israelites turned away from entering Edom. Thus, the Shasu of Yahu cannot be Israelites. It's that simple.
@@ancientegyptandthebible This is the name of the Hebrew God. What definitive proof do you have that Yahu refers to a geographical location rather than a deity?
@@Sarevo100 Did you not see the video? It could be the name of the Hebrew God, but it could be other things too; not to mention the fact that Moses "discovered" Yahweh when he lived in Midian which, before the conquest, included Edom. However, there is no doubt that the "Shasu of Yahu" is a geographical designation, because it occurs in a captive circle in a conquest list of locations written by Amenhotep III. And because these designations are given in geographic order and the "Shasu of Yahu" is very close to the "Shasu of (Mount) Seir", the "Shasu of Yahu" must be in Edom. This doesn't require rocket science to figure out.
@@ancientegyptandthebible No need to get testy. I am trying to determine, as a layman, what is definitive here, and what is tentative. I'm not looking to plant my metaphorical flag into what could be a life raft. I appreciate you sharing your take on these questions to deflate the life raft if that is what it is. It seems to me that your logic in the video suffers somewhat by *equivocation*. At the outset you use the term "shasu" as if it represents a distinct ethnic or tribal group, which, if I understand it properly, it simply refers to nomads. Of course, there will be references to nomads who are *not* Israelites. The same equivocation pops up again in reference to the depictions of "shasu" and other Levantines. This is not helpful to viewers, such as myself, who are new to this subject and trying to get their moorings, or others who do not have very keen critical analytical skills. You seem to have more scholarly caution in the video, but more dogmatic in your responses. I looked at a map of the time and Edom seems to have shared an extensive border with Canaan. So it appears the *same* general geographical region is involved. Maybe we're dealing with a "distinction without a difference" on this point? This common border seems to quite extensively muddy the waters. The question isn't where was Canaan and where was Edom, but were the incursions of Amenhotep III strictly limited to inside the borders of Edom, with no deviation? I am dubious that this point can be proven. Seir seems pretty definite. But what about the other references? Are they defintively place names in Edom? This is not my bailiwick, so I'm probing the plausibility of your proposition. If the other references are definitively within Edom, and outside of Canaan, then this would add plausibility to your argument, but still fall short of a canonical demonstration. I have read that the term, "Yahu" appears here for the very first time in the extant historical record. If this is correct, and it is a *place* name, where was "Yahu" *before* this time and where did it go *afterwards* ? It seems a little forced to contend that it shows up only here in this one reference and that it is a place name. Granted, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but an argument from silence is not a definitive demonstration. The biblical narrative has it that the name of God, Yah(hu) Yah(weh) originates slightly before this time as revealed to Moses. In any event, this is the name of the Hebrew god. It makes sense that the term should pop up right at this historical juncture if it is a reference to the god of the Hebrews and the people of the god Yahu.
@@Sarevo100 Sorry, I've been dealing with a lot of nonsense over the last week, been running on virtually no sleep, and am more than a bit out of sorts. I will respond to the rest of your inquiry when can get some time (and sleep) over the weekend.
@ancientegyptandthebible then why would the God come from Edom but not the people? Are the Egyptians gods from outside of Egypt? Are the Assyrian gods from outside of Assyria? All ANE deities were tied locally to the people correct? So why would Yahu not be tied to a stock of Isralites from Edom? There is an obvious bias against Edom from the text. You wouldn't refute something that is not happening. You only distance yourself from things that are currently happening. But nice try though. Moses met Yehu in Midian a land relatively close to Edom. The text states the deity comes from Edom in many places but miraculously the people don't? Ok
@@TexxGamingYT > then why would the God come from Edom but not the people? Because Abraham was an Amorite originally from northern Mesopotamia. And God is not exclusive to any one people, but chose the Israelites to be his people. > Are the Egyptians gods from outside of Egypt? Some are. Some are not. It depends upon which Egyptian god you are talking about. > Are the Assyrian gods from outside of Assyria? Not generally. But doesn't mean all deities were specific to a local people group. > All ANE deities were tied locally to the people correct? Not necessarily. > So why would Yahu not be tied to a stock of Isralites from Edom? First, because there were no Israelites in Edom. The Israelite came out of Egypt and with great intentionality avoided entering the land of Edom. Second, the Edomites were also descendants of Abraham but were not Israelites per se. Third, there is a strong possibility that the Edomites also worshipped Yahweh long before Israel was even a nation. > There is an obvious bias against Edom from the text. You wouldn't refute something that is not happening. Actually, the polemic against Edom is a lot less harsh than it is towards Moab or Ammon. Edomites could with greater ease integrate into Israelite society and were not considered idolaters in the same manner as other nations. > Moses met Yehu in Midian a land relatively close to Edom. The text states the deity comes from Edom in many places but miraculously the people don't? Ok Exactly, Moses encounters Yahweh at Mt. Horeb while he sojourning in Midian near Edom. But he has to go back to Egypt where the Israelites were to deliver Yahweh's message to them. So, indeed, the people do not originate from Edom.
Yahuah the Father of all and Yahusha the Son of Man! I prayed for over a year for the truth of what Jesus' name was acutally called and He revealedthe truth with the etymology so I would understand why.
you call your self a christian scholar, and don't know the name of the Living God? I told you His name is Yahuah and you call me a liar out of spite. Tell me learned scholar, why does nearly every prophet from the time have Yahu in his name? I know His name you obvioulsy don't, last chance to post it up and prove what you know. at least His name that's a start right, jew?
Yahu was the Israelite G-d, not the god of other nomads. Shasu by themselves are ANY nomads. Lots of nomads (Shasu) lived in the deserts of Midyan near Edom. The Shasu of Yahu were Israelites. The Shasu of all these other countries, cities, or gods were NOT Israelites. Plus you are being incomplete. The actual hieroglyphics at Soleb spell Yah-weh not Yahu. And the time period around 1410 bce (Amenhotep III) was during the 40 year period where the Israelites were wandering nomads in the desert between Midyan and Edom.
> The Shasu of Yahu were Israelites. The Shasu of Yahu lived inside of Edom. So your idea that these were Israelites is contradicted by the Bible itself. There is no evidence showing that they were Israelites, and evidence that Yahu here is a reference to Yahweh is thin at best. > Plus you are being incomplete. The actual hieroglyphics at Soleb spell Yah-weh not Yahu. No, they don't. Can you read Egyptian hieroglyphs? I highly doubt it. > And the time period around 1410 bce (Amenhotep III) was during the 40 year period where the Israelites were wandering nomads in the desert between Midyan and Edom. Your history is as bad as your geography and Middle Egyptian. Amenhotep III came to the throne no earlier than 1390 BC. If the early conquest date is correct, then Amenhotep III wrote that over 20 years after the Israelites crossed the Arnon. Early daters need to stop using the high chronology and the terrible apologetics associated with the early date--it really makes them look ahistorial, unbiblical, and ridiculous.
They purposely damaged the inscription. He added Seir to make them edomites, thus white. The Israelites are clearly described both implicitly and explicitly. No pale whites in Egypt were Hebrew. The inscription is actually in Nubia, modern day Sudan. The ppl made up the nihlotic people's of Africa, of which Abram was a chieftain. He later changed his name to Abraham, a Semitic name. They play games with semantics rather than stated what's obvious. The Egyptians described themselves, the Africans of the day and the white man. All on the Rosetta stone. When Champollian took it off a nubian soldier. He was embarrassed at their depictions of whites. They call them the Tamahu. A word which means stranger. Whites were never considered Shasu or Hebrew or Israelite. They forced their way into the narrative.
Please everyone it does not say Yahu 0.45 seconds and poor translation. no academics used this! Zip, None, like in zero the guy makes a mistake. Hope he repents.
Do you read Egyptian? I didn't think so. "Yahw" is what it literally says in the captive circle. Why should I repent for what the inscription literally says? You better be careful about who you call to repentance, bro.
I think one of the big mistakes some make, is assuming it was only the Hebrews/Israelites that worshipped YHWH. The Bible itself tells us, other peoples did too, we have gentiles long before Moses who did in Genesis all over the place. One, Melchizedek, was even called a king and priest of YHWH, yet had nothing to do with the Hebrews.
r u white?
Why does race matter at all.
According to the Bible, Edom is the land of Esau, Jacob's brother. Being that according to this identification the Edomites are a people related to the Israelites, is it possible that among the Edomites there were those who worshipped YHVH, even before the time of the Exodus?
It is entirely plausible that there were Edomites who worshipped YHWH.
An example of Edomites worshipping JHVH might be Job of Uz.
Some say, he could have been Duke Jobab, second Duke/King of Edom in Bozrah.
Been waiting for this one. It did not disappoint!
I'm glad it didn't disappoint. 😁
Thank you for sharing this. Keep up with the good work ❤
Absolutely spectacular presentation. I have read lengthy articles but nothing cuts to the chase like you do.
great content, thank you very much!
Our pleasure. 😁
excellent video. I try to make that determination about yahu and Israelites. I appreciate the deep dive.
Could this group of Shasu have simply been the remnant that wasn’t allowed enter the promised land and wandered on foot an additional forty year or til they died, whichever came first?
Not likely, since the Edomites forbade any Israelity from entering their land.
Hey, is John Walton right that Egyptian Creation Accounts weren't questioning material origins, but rather functional origins? Or is he misinterpreting the Egyptian texts?
I think Walton is correct here.
I've never been able to identify a mountain as Seir. Just its general location in Edom, maybe close to the King's Highway. Laban means white and is mentioned in DT 1:1. One possibility is Al-Lajjun, a Jordanian region of phosphorite-bituminous chalk 26 miles east of the Dead Sea. Or another is Abu Al-Luson which is a town 17 miles south-west of Ma'an.
Zaire is Congo
Did Moses father in Law belong to this group?
I was wondering that too
It's possible, but hard to say for certain.
No Moses father in law was a prophet shuaib or jethro he was Arab and prophet sent to midyan people.
I like the presentation , cool, concise , clear and devoid of intellectual arrogance that many scholars portray.
"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you of heavenly things?"
(John 3)
The Soleb Inscription - YHWH inscription on Amon-Re temple built by the Pharaoh Amenhotep III “land of the nomads of YHWH” (c. 1400 BC)
Mt. Ebal Curse Tablet - YHW inscription on lead “you will surely die. Cursed by YHW” (c. 1400 BC-1200 BC)
The Merneptah Stele - Pharaoh Merneptah “Israel is wasted, its seed is not; and Canaan is become a widow because of Egypt” (c.1208 BC)
The Shishak Inscription - relief from the temple wall at Karnak built by Pharaoh Shishak “the fields of Abraham” and “highlands of David” (c.925 BC)
Berlin Pedestal - cartouches inscribed into base of Egyptian victory stele, 18th Dynasty Egypt “Ashkelon” “Canaan” “Israel” (c.1550 BC-1292 BC)
Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III & Annals of Shalmaneser III - Assyrian relief of King Jehu and stone tablet record of tribute “I received tribute… from Jehu of the house of Omri” (c. 841 BC)
Tel Dan Stele - Canaanite inscription “I killed…king of Israel… of the House of David” (c.796 BC)
The King Hezekiah Bulla - royal clay seal of 12th king of the Kingdom of Judah, King Hezekiah “Belonging to Hezekiah [son of] Ahaz, king of Judah” (c.727 BE-698 BC)
The Isaiah Bulla - clay seal of the Prophet Isaiah “Belonging to prophet Isaiah” (c.700 BC)
Hey Dr. Falk,
Have you considered going on Pinecreeks channel to discuss with him? I think he would love to have you on.
I was in talks to go on MythVision's channel but he never followed up. 🤷♂️
if Yahu is associated with YHWH, then is it true that Job lived in the land of Edom?
It’s likely that he did. Job’s homeland is Uz, and there is a person named Uz named as a son of the Horite chief Dishan of Edom in Gen 36:28
What about the language of YHWH coming from Seir? That coupled with the Shasu of YHW seems promising to me.
Just asking, but what is HIS language?
@@nikduke23 just chiming in here to leave something that may be of interest concerning this. It seems to be Hebrew to answer your question. But check out a time lapse of afroasiatic languages on yt. It corroborates Noah's landing on Mt. Ararat, Turkey.
This is interesting on another level. It shows that an army can be sustained when traveling on a lower route across Sinai. If we knew how the Egyptians got to Edom. If they crossed from Suez to Ezion-Geber. Or, from Tell el-Maskhuta to Beer-sheba then from there across the Negeb and Zin to Edom. The logistic might of been of interest to say Moses.
One additional thought. Kadesh-Barnea was most likely at Petra. This was a holy site for a number of various worshipers. One could be Yahweh.
I see some connection with the Midianites. They are somewhat related to Edom and live in their proximity, we have Jethro who was a high priest and worshipped the God of Israel and ultimately, like Edom, they came from Abraham and shared religious similarities regarding Yahweh. I believe they might be Midianites.
You cannot understand the LORD, but you can experience Him (in His name) if He chooses to reveal Himself to you in high meditation. Praise HaShem.
@John Wright Hashem is more than whatever tribe you label him as. If the Name comes to you, you will know. Praise Hashem.
@John Wright The Jews were protecting their religion. Jesus came in truth, same truth as the father of Abraham. Which is the 1 and only true God. Hashem. I too, dont protect a religion. So I praise Hashem, the Father of Abraham, the Father of Jesus Christ. No religion needed. Truth can stand on its own, in Jesus name, glorifying the Father, who Hashem is how we can best relate to Him in truth, on the inside for those whose the Name has come to them.
Its not pagan hashem the name in bereisheet used for the Nephiliym its not lat latinized yod hay vav hay Yehovah its not messoretic hebrew germanized with germanic w yod hay wah hay Yahweh it is YHUH as the ancient hieroglyphics of paleo hebrew and the ancient cepher says it is yod hay uau hay. YAHUAH
And the meshiachs name is not zeus kristnia or jesus christ of pagan romes state religion his real name was YAHUSHA HA' mashiach there is no j in paleo hebrew and that is the name of the son of NUN it is impossible for his name to be joshua or YESHUAH wich is a word not a name that means salvation it means behold the nailed hands salvation the cornerstone that Yashar'el rejected
land of the Shasu of Laban was mentioned. Laban was Jacobs father in law. Is it possible that the Shasu were divided up as segments of a larger tribe? We know that Laban could not have been an Israelite but his description seems to be that of someone of high standing. So it seems possible they could be named after their tribal leaders and YHU coulda been just that, a tribal leader. I loved this and thanks!
Laban also means white. Maybe the Shasu of Laban were named for the color, like Edom (red) - kind of like the White Russians (Belarus)
Well, if they're known from the Bible (and it's a big if given the likelihood of "Yahu" being a non-theophoric), the Shasu of Yahu would presumably be a part of the Midianite-Kenite complex. Suffice to say that the term would only really work were this so if one accepts a 19th dynasty context for the Exodus.
Qāws or Qos, an Edomite god, is in my humble opinion most likely who Yhw is. Yhw being used as a title of Qāws the Edomite Equivalent of YHWH makes a lot sense if you consider the meaning of YHWH which "He will be" paralleling "Ehyah" meaning "I will be" though commonly translated as "I am."
Is there anything to say from an egyptologist's perspective about the flight to Egypt in Matthew 2, or is there too little material there?
There's too little material to say for certain where they went. But travel between Egypt and Israel was not uncommon in the 1st century either.
This guy only appeals to people who don't read for themselves or who are simply apologetic
Or a class of people like Apiru and not just an ethnic group
Hey E&B 😃, I really enjoy your content thank you for doing this. It was quite refreshing to see an actual opposition to the early Exodus and Rohls mumbo jumbo, you totally convinced me 😅 we totally lacked that in Patterns of Evidence (ie. We are only told that the opposition is a bunch of atheistic short-sighted biggots, Rohl is the top tier, Douglas and others are also okay but Ramses ones are totally wrong and blind). I would really like if you could make a video about Philistines. Why are they and their cities mentioned during Abraham and other patriarchs? Why do they have semitic names? When exactly did the real Philistines come to that region in Bible history and are there any proofs of that in the Bible (like a sudden change of names from semitic to Philistine names). Why is the word Philistine almost always translated as a foreign in Septuagint? How to understand the table of nations concerning Philistines? Its such an interesting and huge topic, and it relates to the early vs late exodus debate and could be made into a small series of videos. But anyway thank you for your content again, God bless you 😃
It is disappointing that you were in such a hurry to do this video that you neglected to do a thorough etymology on the name Shasu. Because the Shasu is not a particular tribe or nation, but it is Egyptian for "someone who travels on foot", it can also be used to denote "a wanderer" or "nomad".
Have you read Daniel E. Fleming's recent book on this? He makes the argument that the Shasu were proto-Israelite and that Yahu is a toponym, perhaps named after a person.
I haven't read Fleming's book. But I've heard the theory proposed before. I don't think the Shasu were proto-Israelites, although Yahu could have been a toponym.
Aren't the Shasu from the Southern Levant? Currently Modern Israel?
Love your work... Praise the lord 🙏
You can’t see the forest because of the tree. You don’t see YHWH working thru man almost until Abraham, whose children were chosen to bring HIS WORD and Salvation thru His messiah. What about in Genesis 4 where when men begin to defame THE NAME OF YHWH? What about Noah, Methuselah and Enoch? Melchizedek and others that were Righteous Preachers. HIS WORDS AND LAWS predated the time most would like to recognize it seems.
Couldn't the Shasu be the descendants of all the other sons of Abraham (which he had with Keturah and Hagar), lumped together...?
Well, THAT certainly muddies the waters...
No es determinante,pero es suficiente para no mirar hacia otro lado.Laban es el nombre del suegro de Abraham en el relato del Génesis si no me equivoco.
If Yahu is in fact Yahweh, wouldn't this be a serious objection to the burning bush account? Yahweh reveals himself to Moses by his name YHWH a name that apparently his forefathers did not know. If the Israelites simply picked it up from the Shasu wouldn't this be a problem?
Not necessarily. It wouldn't be Moses's forefathers that knew that name, but that doesn't preclude Yahweh revealing his name to another people group.
@@ancientegyptandthebible I see your point, but it seems a little too convenient to me. Yahweh chooses to reveal his name to one other group of people on the planet, and the Israelites just happen to live within walking distance? I dunno...
@@rataroto3065 Except at that point in time, they are not simply walking distance. The Israelites are living in Egypt, and they are worshipping Baal, Resphef, and Astarte.
@@ancientegyptandthebible
it's still pretty close though. A lot closer than YHWH revealing himself to a people group in Hawaii! Doesn't this give a strong case to the atheist position that the Israelites simply adopted Yahweh worship from these Shasu nomads?
Unless Yahu was simply a place name I suppose
@@rataroto3065 Again not necessarily. Yes, an atheist might claim that, but that isn't the only explanation. Other explanations are that God revealed himself to the Midianites as Yahweh, just like he revealed himself as El Shaddai to Abraham. Still another explanation is that the real God was like a deity worshipped by the Midianites (a identity and form of worship that wasn't in and of itself pagan) and He assumed the name of that god as a form of condescension.
Pretty interesting to see the comparison between how the Shasu and the Levantines dressed.
If possible, is there any additional information or sources that you would recommend on the Shasu vs Levatine Asiatic in 8:53 that I could read/watch more about?
I believe some of them were followers of Yuya the chariot chief of Amenhotep III. He was considered a God in Egypt being the equal to Amenhotep III and they may have worshipped him as Yahweh-YHWH.
I thank you, Dr David for clearing missconception about this important subject.... But, in saying that those Shasu, may have worshipped YHWH, and if they are not the Israelites, how could this be the case ? This is my only misunderstanding of what you are trying to say in this video.
Well, let’s say I believe in only 1 God Who is *truly* worthy of the title. Is that enough to make me an Israelite? Probably not.
I may not belong to that ethno-religious group in any significant way, though we may have a lot in common.
@@claymcdermott718 okay.... Would make sense, if it wasn't for The fact that the specific name was given to Moses after the Israelites departed from Egypt, when Moses asked Him about His name, which, even by the Early Date, is too late for that inscription.
In all honesty, I am really confused about this problem...... I May be wrong to be confused, but I don't see that it is wrong to be confused with all of this Information going on here.
@Joshua X17 yea, but the name itself was given to Moses according to the Bible, that is why I am still confused
Shasu of YAHWEH is here, we are Inuit!!!.
As a seal hunter in Canada's Arctic we wait for seals for hours and hours at a time, sometimes for more than 24 hours. I pray in Yashuah's name that you will receive the same amount of patience, strength, and the knowledge to beat evil. I PRAY TO YAHWEH FROM THE TOP OF MY HEART. YAHWEH! YAHWEH! YAHWEH! As you created heaven and earth with your WORDS and created humans as an exact beings as YOURSELF here on Earth, that with my WORDS have the same amount of POWER in YASHUAH's name!!!
Daniel 7:21-22 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and prevailing against them, 22 Until the Ancient of Days arrived and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for them to possess the kingdom.
Is Yahweh a cannanite God ? Is YHW the same as YHVW? I'm so confused
We don't know. We don't have enough data here to make that determination. That's the problem with this data point.
Why do you pronounce “Seir” as [siˈɛɹ̠] (see-EHR) instead of [sɛˈiɹ̠] (seh-EER)? Is it just perceived contradiction arising from opposing adjustments in transliteration versus non-native pronunciation?
Because of English....
Shasu might worship Yahweh but were not Israelites? I don't understand ...
Moses father in Law was not an Israelite but he worshiped Yahweh.
Also there was Melchizedek. Although to him, God may have went by a different name.
@@Xenotypic Exactly. God may have revealed himself to many around the world in Old Testament times but we’re not told about it because it wasn’t necessary for us.
Paul says in Romans 1 that they knew him.
Is there anything published academically about the theory of shasu of yahu not being israelites? And that yahu is not YHWH?
Is the pronounciation of diagramaton known?
It is because the pronunciation is inherited from the Akkadian. The tetragrammaton follows the vowel patterns of its ancient Semetic root language.
@@ancientegyptandthebible ok
@@ancientegyptandthebible what would they be ?
@@gamerjj777 Follow the Masoretic pointing of the tetragrammaton as it is exactly the same as the vowels used in the Akkadian inflection.
@@ancientegyptandthebible but masoretic has different vowel pointings in different parts.
Does Yahu have any etymological connections to YHWH or is it just similar? Also is there any way to know what Yahu (the word) means?
Weill, it is similar but it's not exactly the same. Yahw actually has an Egyptian alef between the y and h, and it doesn't have the final h. Unfortunately, there is no way to know what Yahu means with authority unless we find a corroborating discovery.
I really appreciate that you take the time to respond to comments. I’ve learned a lot after finding your channel. Thank you Dr. Falk.
@@marcfofi688 You're most welcome. 😄
Well the Temple of Yahu in Elephantine is universally called 'the Temple of Yahweh'. So it is generally accepted as similar.
@@abc_12333 Generally accepted by whom? The Temple of Yahweh is different, which is we know it was founded by Israelites in the 4th-5th century. There is a context that confirms the identification of Yahu with Yahweh. This is not true of every context where we find the letters Y-H-W. This is why we need to use rigor and caution when we broach this subject. Otherwise, we just end up reading what we want in a manner similar to what the Gnostics did.
Hey David, I've started watching some of your vids and have been fascinated by them! It's showing sides of archaeological discourse that I haven't heard before, so thank you! What's your opinion on when and who wrote the old testament, particularly the torrah? I've heard some say that bits and pieces were written thousands of years after the events they describe, and that the torrah was compiled together during the Persian rule.
I commented on a basically a big claim video on a "fusion of two gods" where they replied that the use of Yahu is how they would use it to refer to a god. If it were so simple to interpret in that way then I assume that Israel's use in the children of Israel could place Israel in the same way, which is absurd. Tell me if I'm wrong.
Yahu is Ah(=Aga of Kish) which is put at the end of Jewish names, as well as Esau’s son Korah, so Ah(iahu/yahu)-mose royal family of Egypt should have been Hebrew.
Yahovah also includes Ah, but it could mean Yakov because Yahovah was God of 12 tribes.
There was Izumo(the kanji can be read idom) dynasty in ancient Japan and many gods worshipped at shrines have names ‘Ahmose’. Izumo clan has the family tree which includes names like Ahmose(Abraham?) Amenhotep(Isaac?), Ezo(Esau), Kashta(Kushite king), Tiri(Taharka, Kushite), Keros(Cyrus the great), and Kanbi(Cambyses, Cyrus’ son).
There are evidences in Japan that Isaac was called Sheba and Kush.
In this case Ham was Abraham who saw his father (probably Noah was a woman, his mother or father’s wife?) naked. Abraham’s mother was Amathlaa who is Japanese emperor’s ancestor.
Queen of Sheba had a son with King Solomon. Messiah will come from Solomon’s bloodline, probably Cyrus the great of the family tree of Izumo clan above.
Mix multitude they are not homogenous, meaning Apiru Habriu and Shasu could all make up what came to be Hebrew and Israelites.
complex topic!
The Shasu of Payaspayas: later incorporated into the Israelite tribe of Asher as the clan Pispa? 1 Chr. 7:38 lists Pispa among the descendants of Jether (cf Jethro?), along with a certain Jephunneh (namesake of the Kenizzite, Caleb's father). Other people named Jether include two Judahites, one a descendant of Jerahmeel (1 Chr. 2:32) and the brother of the mysterious Mered, who married Bithiah, daughter of the king of Egypt (1 Chr. 4:17-18). Context seems to indicate the region of south-eastern Judah and adjacent areas of Edom.
That's very interesting. Where can I find out more about the Shasu of Payaspayas?
@@abc_12333 thanks. Re: the Shasu of Payaspayas, I'm pretty sure they only appear in Ramsses II's inscription of Amara West (they're not attested in the Soleb inscription of Amenhotep III). Though I'm sure Dr. Falk could recommend some secondary sources.
@@theelf29
YHW, related to the shasu
was a city it seems to me?
excuse me I don't know how to write in English
I take the translator
I ask you his questions if you can answer them
And Y H W H ?
and YAHUH
And Y A U h
is there a similarity?
is this the egyptian god?
many call god so,
What do you think ?
thank you for your answer
OK I don’t know if anybody else understands shasu Means it basically means people people of Yahweh so what I am understanding is when you see that word it represents people
Some believe the Shasu is Esau
YAHWEH Thank you. YAHWEH!!!! The time is now, as you made the world and earth with your WORDS. As your servant, than you for making my words as same as yours on this KINGDOM ON EARTH!!!!! YAHWEH, our WORDS can't be ignored anymore. THANK YOU YHWH. For picking us as your servants. As Jacobs sons were able to fight, WE GIVE OURSELVES to be able to beat evil. YAHWEH! YAHWEH! YAHWEH!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
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Yahu stands for Yahuah which is the The Most High name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3
How do you know that?
@@ancientegyptandthebible if you study the Hebrew language, when you go to concordance if the word LORD in Exodus 3:14 it’s yehovah but theirs no “V” or “W” sounds in paleo Hebrew
@@yosephisrael6833 Not what I meant. How do you know that Yahu in the "Shasu of Yahu" means Yahweh?
@@ancientegyptandthebible it doesn’t mean Yahweh, it’s Yahuah. I mean Yahu sounds more like Yahuah than Yahweh
@yosephisrael6833 in what verse is he called yahuha
The Israelites were many tribes from many places that came together the name I went by at the time was Yaka it means God behold but when the Israelites passed through that area they took YHWH as a reminder not to say Yaka I go by Yahu and my new religion is Shasu
SHASU or SHASAS -Rak Shasas belong to Hindu Assuras, SHASU were not ISRAELITES. They were still are Kenites/GYPSIES. Rak-shasas check Hindu history. Hindu Rak-Shasas they lost their position in India moved to Cannan,Moab ,Edom and Arabic penisula known as Nabatheans. SHASU - SUTU - SETI - SONS OF Seth. They were 5 clans of SHASU they ruled to all Cannan. SHASU SAMATH or SHASU Salem were Yahweh worshipers,they were allready in Israel before arrival of Abraham .
Hi Dr.Falk, I don’t know if you have seen the theory of Thomas Römer who says that yahweh and his tetragram come from the Shasu who invented the tetragram and that Yahweh would be a pagan deity who would have evolved into the God we know today. Thomas Romer is an exegete, philologist and biblical scholar who has written several books to demonstrate that Yahweh is only an invented God, that Moses and a copy of Sargon, etc….thank you in advance for your answer (sorry for my bad english i am french)
I am aware of Römer's views, and needless to say I think they are flawed. Moses is not a copy of Sargon. The only similarities are in the birth narratives and even then there are too many differences to make that assertion of copying credible. Moreover, there are also difficulties with the idea that the Shasu invented Yahweh let alone originated with the Shasu, so to double-down on that hypothesis is fraught with speculation. Now, that doesn't negate the hypothesis, but it does cast serious doubts about the evidentiary power of it. Nevertheless, some have suggested that the Kenite hypothesis is a potential origin of Yahweh, which would be reasonable given the Biblical narrative. But even if you could trace the origins of Yahweh to a specific locale, that would not necessarily mean that Yahweh is an invented God. That is an intellectual leap that goes too far in my opinion.
@@ancientegyptandthebible thanks for your response 🙏
@@alx_gold9745 My pleasure.
Shasu were arabs
They weren't arabs. The arabs didn't migrate to the western Suadi peninsula until the 10th century BC.
@@ancientegyptandthebibleArab means desert dwellers or Semitic nomads so they were Arabs
Today Saudi population and Jordanian bedouins are the remnants of these nomads
The shashu people are sudanese from the land of Yahweh . Sudan was once called the land of Yahweh!! Sobel temple was destroyed by the egyptians..
There is no evidence to suggest that the shasu were from Sudan, and all the evidence suggests that they were from the southern Levant.
Some of Hindu Shashas convert to Yahweh worshiping they start follow Melchizedek many years before Abraham they were ancestors of Roma Gypsies or Rechabites. SHASU WERE KENITES.
Shasu of YHWH are INUIT!!!!! WE are SHASU OF YHWH!!!!! YAHWEH!!!!! YAHWEH!!!! YAHWEH!!!!!! THANK YOU YAHWEH. AYAHYAH YAH AYAH YAH Alianaituqapu Inunialirama Ulusulitauva IYAHYAH YAHYAHYAH iYAHYAH IYAHYAHYAH. Our traditional song is AYAHYAH YAH!!!!!
My brother some edommites worshiped YAH they are blood Hebrews sons of Abraham
RAK- SHASAS OR SHASA WERE ASURA BRAHMINS , ROYAL FAMILY WERE KNOWN AS GIANTS OR ANAK. NOT ALL WERE GIANTS ONLY ROYAL FAMILY WERE. DESCENT FROM Brahma Amurru descent. Amurru were Semites,they called Amuru because they ruled to Amorires,but they were sons of Shem.
"Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God" (Genesis 14)
Melchizedek was not an Israelite, nor would that term have had any significance at that period since there were no Israelites yet. But, Melchizedek worshipped God.
"I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (El) , but by my name the LORD (YHWH) was I not known to them"
(Exodus 6)
The great insight revealed to Moses at Mt. Horeb was that of the existential reality which is God (יהוה). That is, God is existence in and of Himself and not simply the greatest among objects which exist. God is existence. God is the singularly self-evident axiom from which all else is derived: ipsum esse subsistens.
"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM (יהוה) : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM (יהוה) hath sent me unto you... this is my name forever"
(Exodus 3)
"and you shall call His name JESUS (יהוה saves) for it is He who will save His people from their sins"
(Matthew 1)
"I, even I, Am the LORD (יהוה) and apart from Me there is no Savior"
(Isaiah 43)
I think it's also possible that Shasu of yhw are "hebrews", and the conquest of Canaan was done by others (if that happened). Later there was an alliance of tribes - one of them was the shasu and they bought their god, others brought their conquest stories in the mix. So maybe the origin story of the israelites is the combined version of different tribes' different events, heroes etc.
So.. "shasu" would be the Egyptian term similar to a nomadic tribe. There can be other tribes (shasu) without making it impossible for the "shasu of YHW" to be the Israelites.
Also, that timing fits rather perfectly. Solomon's temple was built around the year 960 BCE. And 1 kings 6:1 dates that as "480 years after the Israelites came out of Egypt." Putting the start of the Exodus around 1440 BCE, during the reign of Thutmose III.
Would Thutmose II know about the nomads of YHW? Of course. They were his servants. They hadn't left yet.
Even though they were only actually "nomadic" (physically wandering) for 40 years (putting entry to Israel at AROUND 1400 BCE)... They had picked a spot they liked, but they would still be considered more of a "tribe" (shasu) than a "legitimate nation" by Egyptian standards as they wouldn't have a king for a few centuries.
And yes, if you read Judges, they had quite a few times where they were defeated and subdued.
No, they weren't to live intermixed with Edomites, no.. but from Egypt's perspective, all those guys were around the same area, off to the east. Just like if you ask any American today where Guatemala and Honduras are... Yeah, they're both down south (even when people understand that they are distinct countries).
... Sounds not all Shasu we're Israelites, of course not. But the "Shasu of YHW" probably were. Especially considering the Defixio recently announced to have been found at an alter on Mt. Ebal... An alter with a ramp, and the burnt bones of exclusively kosher animals, with a curse in the name of YHW in Paleo Hebrew, dating to approximately the same time as that inscription (around 1400 BCE). Seemingly in accordance with the command Israelites were given to set up an alter and pronounce curses on that very mountain.
Seems like an increased amount of supporting evidence.
> So.. "shasu" would be the Egyptian term similar to a nomadic tribe. There can be other tribes (shasu) without making it impossible for the "shasu of YHW" to be the Israelites.
Not really. The Shasu are a specific ethnonym. There is more than sufficient pictorial evidence to show that Shasu are a distinct ethnicity, not just a generic term for nomadic tribes.
> Also, that timing fits rather perfectly. Solomon's temple was built around the year 9istinc60 BCE. And 1 kings 6:1 dates that as "480 years after the Israelites came out of Egypt." Putting the start of the Exodus around 1440 BCE, during the reign of Thutmose III.
What do you do with the not-so-perfect fact that the places mentioned in the Book of Exodus could not have been built until the reign of Seti I and Ramesses II? Are you claiming that the route of the Israelites mentioned in Exodus and Numbers wasn’t written until hundreds of years after Moses?
> Would Thutmose II know about the nomads of YHW? Of course. They were his servants. They hadn't left yet.
Don’t you think that it might be a problem that the Shasu of Thutmosis II were living in Canaan? The document that mentions these Shasu are encountered while Thutmosis II is on campaign in Canaan. Isn’t it a problem if you claim the Israelites were living both inside and outside of Egypt at the same time prior to the exodus?
> Even though they were only actually "nomadic" (physically wandering) for 40 years (putting entry to Israel at AROUND 1400 BCE)... They had picked a spot they liked, but they would still be considered more of a "tribe" (shasu) than a "legitimate nation" by Egyptian standards as they wouldn't have a king for a few centuries.
The problem is that Shasu of Yahw are part of a conquest narrative of the area around Mt. Seir. These references to Shasu of Yahw occur no earlier than 1389 BC. Wouldn’t this be a problem for your “perfect fit”? 51 years after the exodus, shouldn’t the Israelites have already entered the Promised Land and conquered Jericho, Ai, and Hazor? But is not also a problem that Hazor was not destroyed until around 1220 BC? Is this not the wrong place and time if the Shasu of Yahw were Israelites?
> No, they weren't to live intermixed with Edomites, no.. but from Egypt's perspective, all those guys were around the same area, off to the east. Just like if you ask any American today where Guatemala and Honduras are... Yeah, they're both down south (even when people understand that they are distinct countries).
Don’t you think it is a problem that conquest toponym lists were recorded in sequential order? You did realize that the Egyptians did not randomly gather place names into lists? These lists are arranged in the sequential order that these conquests took place. This is why all the tribes of the Shasu are mentioned next to each other. They are all living around Mt. Seir in Edom.
> ... Sounds not all Shasu we're Israelites, of course not. But the "Shasu of YHW" probably were.
Why were the “Shasu of Yahw” probably Israelites? Where’s the evidence for this? What’s the evidence that Yahw is even the same as YHWH? You don’t have sufficient evidence here to make this “probably.”
> Especially considering the Defixio recently announced to have been found at an alter on Mt. Ebal... An alter with a ramp, and the burnt bones of exclusively kosher animals, with a curse in the name of YHW in Paleo Hebrew, dating to approximately the same time as that inscription (around 1400 BCE).
The amulet find is highly contested and was announced by a group known to alter the data to arrive at 1446 BC exodus dates. None of the raw data for that find has been released. And all the archaeological evidence from that site dates to no earlier than ca. 1200 BC. They are asserting a claim that is not supported by the existing evidence.
> Seems like an increased amount of supporting evidence.
Unfortunately, I think the “evidence” that the Shasu of Yahw were the Israelites is sketchy at best. It’s all based upon a dubious reading of 1 Kings 6:1, a text known to have other explanations. Can you at least see why I am skeptical about this?
@Ancient Egypt and the Bible
1- Regarding the translation of shasu: I would point to the context of there being "shasu of" different areas and peoples as evidence of this applying to different groups. But, we can simply disagree there.
2- k, which places could not have existed until then, and why? For example, if you're referring to something like "the city of Ramses" because it couldn't have been ned Ramses until after the Pharaoh by that name ruled... I would point out that the title of your channel is "Ancient Egypt." Should we say "Egypt could not have existed at that time, because it would have been referred to as Kemet or Misr or Mizraim, depending on who was speaking and when? And the concept of "Egypt" did not exist for many centuries?
I would acknowledge that Joseph would never have known a city called "Ramses." It was Avaris at the time. And just like we translate hieroglyphics written about "Misr" as "Egypt," the book of Exodus may use later names for cities.
3- Not really... The last kings of those lands were kings of the Canaanites and Edomites and Moabites and Midianite, etc. Calling those lands by those names is normal. As of the 14th-12th centuries, Israel still had no king, and Egypt wasn't fond of the people, hence referring to them as simply a shasu that murdered the real kings of those lands, rather than an actual kingdom in it's own right.
As another example, some people today absolutely refuse to refer to "Palestine" as having ever actually existed. Or to "Palestinians" as a real group of people. Political bias and revisionism still happens today. Always has.
4- Yes, IF the Exodus started somewhere around 1440 (I wouldn't argue +/- a decade or so), then they would have finished their conquest of that area, and taken Jerusalem by 1400. They weren't confined to a single city. I won't claim to know the exact borders at exact points in history, but Mt. Seir is quite close. If a pharoh went along Israel's southern border, and conquered some other tribes, including sacking some Israelite city in the vicinity of the mountain, it's not surprising for some Israelite city to be around there.
Amenhotep I and II (and Thutmose IV) all brag about victories over the "tribe of YHW", the Aperu (which could be Hebrews), and the nation of Israel (Merneptah Stele)... Skepticism is fine, of course, if there is some specific other group that goes by those names, sure, point it out. It's possible for other groups to have similar names! But, if there's no evidence to suggest that beyond that "this might not be who it seems to be" simply because there is no other evidence (as long as we deny each piece of evidence on the basis of there being no other pieces, because we've denied them as well)... Then that's not skepticism anymore.
For example, you're citing precise years like "1389 BC"... What makes you so confident in the accuracy of those specific dates beyond the record kept by those people? If we consider the records kept by Egypt to be historical... And the records kept by Assyria and Babylon and Persia, and every other country to be historical... Why do we presume the (more specific) records kept by the Hebrews to be completely mythical, no matter how many archeological finds keep turning up that keep coinciding with those records.
@@morielrorschach8090 I'm posting on this video again because many videos use the Soleb and Amara-West Temple inscriptions as proof of the Israelites were n Canaan during the reign of Amenhotep III 1389-1351 BC.
One of the problems is that Garstang found two Amenhotep III scarabs in tombs at Jericho. Putting the date of the end of Jericho at least 17 years after the 1406 BC early date of conquest.
There is no +/- 10 years allowed with the early date exodus. It has to be 1446 BC or not.
The second bird in the Soleb 'ywh' inscription is damaged and may be a falcon.
The reason the 'yhw' inscription doesn't indicate it is a god may be because there were no idols. Egyptians may not recognize a god without idols.
@@501Mobius Well, I've seen plenty of debate about the key date (the building of solomon's temple) being anywhere between 966 and 957 BCE... hence, giving some range.
Likewise, there's also about a +/- 20 year range for the ascension years of each pharoh. If you're interested in some dry reading, you can search for a paper called "Bayesian modelling of an absolute chronology for Egypt’s 18th Dynasty by astrophysical and radiocarbon methods"
... which lays out some evidence that would suggest Amenhotep III could have reigned earlier than wikipedia suggests... potentially early enough for his scarab to appear in Jericho.
... at least less of a problem for the 15th century exodus than the suggestion of a 13th century exodus (and Jericho seeming to have fallen a couple centuries earlier).
@@morielrorschach8090 With the discovery of the Amarna letters there is more synchronism dating than when Garstang had his discovery. Interestingly he gave the start date of Amenhotep III as 1410. to work around the problem. I expect to see more fabrication of the temple date when others realize the implication of a later Amenhotep III.
The scarab date problem is fatal to the early date exodus. It presents no problem at all for the late date.
The 'yhw' in Seir presents some problems for both dates. For the early dates there is a question of why were some Israelites left behind and settled at Kadesh Barnea? (Kadesh Barnea is not within the Promised Land otherwise Moses couldn't go there.)
And why weren't the tribes in Edom unified into one single group in the record if they unified to oppose Moses?
How did the Egyptians get to Edom? By land they would have to pass through and conquer the towns in the Negev and Zin that Joshua took. No Bible record of that exists.
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“When Elyon (The Most High) gave the nations an inheritance, when he divided humankind, he set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of Bull El’s children, and Yahweh’s portion was his people, Jacob, the lot of his inheritance.”
How did the Israelites depict YHVH in the Bible when given the chance? A Golden Bull. Were they agricultural or were they herdsmen?
Semitic, Proto-Canaanites, their rulers, the Hyksos, are all WELL before the Israelites, but it doesn’t mean they didn’t have those pre-existing influences to draw from for their stories. Moses’ origins are lifted from King Sargon of Akkad, but giving him a position of temporary rule, lines up with what the Hyksos were. Temporary rulers in a foreign land.
El, Ba’al, and Asherah were amongst their pantheon of gods, El being the most high. Amenhotep the II did imprison some Semitic peoples, and Amenhotep the IV was the first ruler to mandate Monotheism.
The Israelites likely were NOT the Shasu, or vice versa, however as nomadic tribes traveling thru their lands, this Yahu Storm/War God may have been adopted into their pantheon. Soon, the Cult of Yahweh gets strong enough to start rewriting history. He who controls the narrative and all that…
Soon, the puzzle pieces start coming together. Why did the Deuteronomic Class make a subtle distinction between Yahweh and El(ohim), and call Yahweh the Bull El? Why did the Torah depict Yahweh AS a Bull God?
Lastly, hundreds of years before Isaiah, the Canaanites have the myth of Ba’al, the Son/Sun of God (El), outshining the interloper Attar (Venus), as It tried as the “Morning Star” to reach the Heavenly Zenith.
Why do the Israelites keep “forgetting” their God, and have to pull down Asherah poles (some temple remains still have a place for “Yahweh’s Consort, Asherah”, so he stole El’s peoples and his woman, and then killed and buried her under the front porch boards).
Yahweh = Yahu, and it’s pronounced Yahoo, the sound of the wind blowing. Seems hilariously fitting.
How is this known? Doesnt this basically confirm that YHWH is a north arabian deity as opposed to the original chief deity of the israelites?
There is no time problem identifying the nomads of Yahu as Israel. The Israelites were primarily herders and shepherders--that is their sustenance was maintained by a *nomadic* existence even *after* their entrance and possession of Canaan.
You are mistaken. There is a time problem because there is a geography problem. The Shasu of Yahu were located in Edom. The Israelites never entered Edom--they were forbidden to do so by God--and the Israelites turned away from entering Edom. Thus, the Shasu of Yahu cannot be Israelites. It's that simple.
@@ancientegyptandthebible This is the name of the Hebrew God. What definitive proof do you have that Yahu refers to a geographical location rather than a deity?
@@Sarevo100 Did you not see the video? It could be the name of the Hebrew God, but it could be other things too; not to mention the fact that Moses "discovered" Yahweh when he lived in Midian which, before the conquest, included Edom. However, there is no doubt that the "Shasu of Yahu" is a geographical designation, because it occurs in a captive circle in a conquest list of locations written by Amenhotep III. And because these designations are given in geographic order and the "Shasu of Yahu" is very close to the "Shasu of (Mount) Seir", the "Shasu of Yahu" must be in Edom. This doesn't require rocket science to figure out.
@@ancientegyptandthebible No need to get testy. I am trying to determine, as a layman, what is definitive here, and what is tentative. I'm not looking to plant my metaphorical flag into what could be a life raft. I appreciate you sharing your take on these questions to deflate the life raft if that is what it is.
It seems to me that your logic in the video suffers somewhat by *equivocation*. At the outset you use the term "shasu" as if it represents a distinct ethnic or tribal group, which, if I understand it properly, it simply refers to nomads. Of course, there will be references to nomads who are *not* Israelites.
The same equivocation pops up again in reference to the depictions of "shasu" and other Levantines. This is not helpful to viewers, such as myself, who are new to this subject and trying to get their moorings, or others who do not have very keen critical analytical skills.
You seem to have more scholarly caution in the video, but more dogmatic in your responses. I looked at a map of the time and Edom seems to have shared an extensive border with Canaan. So it appears the *same* general geographical region is involved. Maybe we're dealing with a "distinction without a difference" on this point? This common border seems to quite extensively muddy the waters. The question isn't where was Canaan and where was Edom, but were the incursions of Amenhotep III strictly limited to inside the borders of Edom, with no deviation? I am dubious that this point can be proven.
Seir seems pretty definite. But what about the other references? Are they defintively place names in Edom? This is not my bailiwick, so I'm probing the plausibility of your proposition. If the other references are definitively within Edom, and outside of Canaan, then this would add plausibility to your argument, but still fall short of a canonical demonstration.
I have read that the term, "Yahu" appears here for the very first time in the extant historical record. If this is correct, and it is a *place* name, where was "Yahu" *before* this time and where did it go *afterwards* ? It seems a little forced to contend that it shows up only here in this one reference and that it is a place name. Granted, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but an argument from silence is not a definitive demonstration. The biblical narrative has it that the name of God, Yah(hu) Yah(weh) originates slightly before this time as revealed to Moses. In any event, this is the name of the Hebrew god. It makes sense that the term should pop up right at this historical juncture if it is a reference to the god of the Hebrews and the people of the god Yahu.
@@Sarevo100 Sorry, I've been dealing with a lot of nonsense over the last week, been running on virtually no sleep, and am more than a bit out of sorts. I will respond to the rest of your inquiry when can get some time (and sleep) over the weekend.
Or the Shasu were Isralites just the stock that comes from EDOM!
Impossible.
@ancientegyptandthebible the text says that the Hebrews came from Edom! The God of the Bible comes from EDOM! It's ok Habakkuk 3 😁
@@TexxGamingYT The text says no such thing. Habakkuk 3 says that God came from Teman (in Edom) and Mount Paran, not the Israelites. But nice try.
@ancientegyptandthebible then why would the God come from Edom but not the people? Are the Egyptians gods from outside of Egypt? Are the Assyrian gods from outside of Assyria? All ANE deities were tied locally to the people correct?
So why would Yahu not be tied to a stock of Isralites from Edom? There is an obvious bias against Edom from the text. You wouldn't refute something that is not happening.
You only distance yourself from things that are currently happening.
But nice try though.
Moses met Yehu in Midian a land relatively close to Edom. The text states the deity comes from Edom in many places but miraculously the people don't? Ok
@@TexxGamingYT
> then why would the God come from Edom but not the people?
Because Abraham was an Amorite originally from northern Mesopotamia. And God is not exclusive to any one people, but chose the Israelites to be his people.
> Are the Egyptians gods from outside of Egypt?
Some are. Some are not. It depends upon which Egyptian god you are talking about.
> Are the Assyrian gods from outside of Assyria?
Not generally. But doesn't mean all deities were specific to a local people group.
> All ANE deities were tied locally to the people correct?
Not necessarily.
> So why would Yahu not be tied to a stock of Isralites from Edom?
First, because there were no Israelites in Edom. The Israelite came out of Egypt and with great intentionality avoided entering the land of Edom. Second, the Edomites were also descendants of Abraham but were not Israelites per se. Third, there is a strong possibility that the Edomites also worshipped Yahweh long before Israel was even a nation.
> There is an obvious bias against Edom from the text. You wouldn't refute something that is not happening.
Actually, the polemic against Edom is a lot less harsh than it is towards Moab or Ammon. Edomites could with greater ease integrate into Israelite society and were not considered idolaters in the same manner as other nations.
> Moses met Yehu in Midian a land relatively close to Edom. The text states the deity comes from Edom in many places but miraculously the people don't? Ok
Exactly, Moses encounters Yahweh at Mt. Horeb while he sojourning in Midian near Edom. But he has to go back to Egypt where the Israelites were to deliver Yahweh's message to them. So, indeed, the people do not originate from Edom.
God eternal within the body is what it means .
Not even close, but oh well.
Reference please
The shasu are Canaanites Edom married in to the Canaanites also he took on there god Yhwh a horned desert god
Yahuah the Father of all and Yahusha the Son of Man! I prayed for over a year for the truth of what Jesus' name was acutally called and He revealedthe truth with the etymology so I would understand why.
Keep praying... you have yet to arrive at the truth.
@@ancientegyptandthebible tell me the truth then please
@@chrisadams9346 Hey, you have the "Spirit of Truth", what need would you have for a scholar to answer you? 😂
you call your self a christian scholar, and don't know the name of the Living God? I told you His name is Yahuah and you call me a liar out of spite. Tell me learned scholar, why does nearly every prophet from the time have Yahu in his name?
I know His name you obvioulsy don't, last chance to post it up and prove what you know. at least His name that's a start right, jew?
@@ancientegyptandthebible crickets huh?
Yahweh(יהוה) is not the God of Israel but Ahaya(ה-אה"יה) is the God of Israel.
Yahu was the Israelite G-d, not the god of other nomads. Shasu by themselves are ANY nomads. Lots of nomads (Shasu) lived in the deserts of Midyan near Edom. The Shasu of Yahu were Israelites. The Shasu of all these other countries, cities, or gods were NOT Israelites.
Plus you are being incomplete. The actual hieroglyphics at Soleb spell Yah-weh not Yahu. And the time period around 1410 bce (Amenhotep III) was during the 40 year period where the Israelites were wandering nomads in the desert between Midyan and Edom.
> The Shasu of Yahu were Israelites.
The Shasu of Yahu lived inside of Edom. So your idea that these were Israelites is contradicted by the Bible itself. There is no evidence showing that they were Israelites, and evidence that Yahu here is a reference to Yahweh is thin at best.
> Plus you are being incomplete. The actual hieroglyphics at Soleb spell Yah-weh not Yahu.
No, they don't. Can you read Egyptian hieroglyphs? I highly doubt it.
> And the time period around 1410 bce (Amenhotep III) was during the 40 year period where the Israelites were wandering nomads in the desert between Midyan and Edom.
Your history is as bad as your geography and Middle Egyptian. Amenhotep III came to the throne no earlier than 1390 BC. If the early conquest date is correct, then Amenhotep III wrote that over 20 years after the Israelites crossed the Arnon. Early daters need to stop using the high chronology and the terrible apologetics associated with the early date--it really makes them look ahistorial, unbiblical, and ridiculous.
@@ancientegyptandthebiblethanks for replying to these comments and correcting them.
@@ancientegyptandthebible I know this old but can you awnswer.Why they think Yahu means Yahweh?
@@blairmiller9489Yahu and Yah can be abbreviations for Yahweh.
They purposely damaged the inscription. He added Seir to make them edomites, thus white. The Israelites are clearly described both implicitly and explicitly. No pale whites in Egypt were Hebrew. The inscription is actually in Nubia, modern day Sudan. The ppl made up the nihlotic people's of Africa, of which Abram was a chieftain. He later changed his name to Abraham, a Semitic name. They play games with semantics rather than stated what's obvious. The Egyptians described themselves, the Africans of the day and the white man. All on the Rosetta stone. When Champollian took it off a nubian soldier. He was embarrassed at their depictions of whites. They call them the Tamahu. A word which means stranger. Whites were never considered Shasu or Hebrew or Israelite. They forced their way into the narrative.
You haven't done the Bible study
You sound dumb
Please everyone it does not say Yahu 0.45 seconds and poor translation. no academics used this! Zip, None, like in zero the guy makes a mistake. Hope he repents.
Do you read Egyptian? I didn't think so. "Yahw" is what it literally says in the captive circle. Why should I repent for what the inscription literally says? You better be careful about who you call to repentance, bro.