CPM Magnacut, Bohler Vanax, Bohler N360 (LC200N) Creely Blades Mako- Kickstarter.
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Welcome to my Kickstarter project! 3 modern high-tech stainless steels- Vanax, CPM Magnacut, and Bohler N360 (LC200N) This is a project to bring three of the top-performing stainless steels to market at an attainable price.
Kickstarter link- www.kickstarte...
Went in for LC200. Cedric loves his mako so figured I would give it a shot
Who is Cedric?
“I’m not afraid of machine marks, these are made by machines” haha, I really appreciate the honesty and candor.
Backed! I have been wanting to get my hands on some magnacut! I can't wait! Keep up the great work! This will be my first knife from you, I am glad that I found this! Thank you.
So cant wait for my Folklore Magnacut. That will be my go to knife for a long time.
I'm excited to back this. I love the custom mako i got a while back, feels great in the hand and looks great to boot!
Update: Got the stainless mako PG trio in the mail and the knives turned out really nicely. The behind-the-edge thickness is very fine, the knives came razor sharp, the fit and finish is very nice-nearly as good as the flawless custom mako. The new util clip sheaths are also nice.
I think these stainless knives need a kydex sheath, because the knives will hold up in water, but i would hate to ruin the leather sheath in the boat or in the rain. I might have to take stab at making something like the sheath that comes on the s90v version of the benchmade hiddon canyon.
Exciting stuff. I’ll try my best to support. How thin can you realistically go with PG?
around .009"-.011"
According to these graphs, it looks like the big winners are Sandvik 14c28n and CPM-3V for what I look for in a knife blade. Magnacut looks pretty good also and I know this is the new darling at the moment.
I agree about 14c28n. You don't hear much about it, prolly cuz edge retention is all some people talk about, but that 14c28n looks like it can do absolutely anything as long as you're willing to strop it occasionally. It looks to me like LC200Ns younger brother... does everything as well except maybe 2/3 of the edge retention.
I've been looking forward to knifemakers using magnacut, but you're also making a run of vanax blades? My indecision is killing me.
The truth is the Vanex is the more rare find here. In two or three years everybody will have a Magnacut blade. Because I do the small batches I do I’m able to be nimble and get the steals out there a little quicker. All that to say, get the vanax, And then get a folding knife in Magnacut when they’re available.
@@Creelyblades Where does the Vanax come ahead of Magnacut?
@@-mystical-16 Vanax has a little better corrosion resistance and edge holding, but less toughness.
@@Creelyblades Why do you think everybody will want a Magnacut blade. That's kind of presumptuous of you or just hopeful for future profitable sales.
@@BennyCFD huh
great charts mate
Nice doing dude
Would you mind sharing source of those nice looking charts? Even on 1080p it's not so easy to track all of it without excessive eye strain.
Ordered. What's the Magnacut heat treat regime going to be Gary?
Hi. I have a piece of the same approach than you, and I like 3V, 14C28N (price compared with LC200N...), Cruwear, Magnacut and Vanax. On your graphs, CPM 3V have much better corrosion resistance than CPM Cruwear. Thats true? Why?
Thanks for your answer and sorry for my english.
Kiss from France.
One of the tricky things with 3V, and cruwear is that there are two different heat treating protocols and one of them significantly changes the corrosion resistance of the steel. 3V would have a little better than cruwear, but maybe on the chart the cruwear is rated at the other heat treating protocol.
@@Creelyblades Ho yes OK, i have read one thing about that. With the "refresh" at low temperature (about 400°F) for increase corrosion resistance. Thanks for your information !
I couldn't help but notice the 14C28N steel was so similar in toughness, edge retention, and corrosion resistance to the Magnacut. I know charts and graphs often don't tell the whole story.
How similar are these two steels in real world?
The Magnacut is intriguing, but the current real world cost is prohibitive, while the 14C28N is quite reasonable in cost and availability.
14c28n is a really good steel. But correct me if im wrong here, I've heard magnacut would likely have better edge stability.
@@tacticalcenter8658 I've heard 14c and AEB-L perform at about the same level... watching some testing done by Carother's knives of AEB-L and their delta 3v, AEB-L did about the same or better on edge stability. Leads me to believe that given a really good heat treat 14c wouldn't be too far off from magnacut. Now if you're comparing a mass produced blade in 14c28n to a custom from Creely in Magnacut... not even close!
@@Ajaxykins it would be nice if knife manufacturers and designer's chose the correct steel and heat treatment and did it to its full potential for the task's it was designed for for all mass production knives or customs. Sadly the world is re3ee3ee
14c28n is the best budget, lower edge retention type of stainless steel for knife making. Incredibly tough, good corrosion resistance, very good edge stability, edge retention is okey. Magnacut is less tough, but has a lot better edge retention, even better corrosion resistance and excellent edge stability, it has the edge retention of s30v, but the toughness of 4v and cruwear. that is just absolutly amazing. Also 14c28n has better corrosion resistance and edge retention compared to aebl.
@@svenvanderzwaag1012 nitro-v is another similar option as well. It can get higher in hrc as well. I'm not sure if its more costly though.
Also I thought magnacut was tougher than 14c28n. I didn't look at the data sheets recently though.
Wish I could get in on the drop but I really appreciate your videos and amazing work! I love my Vanax fixed blade and have been wanting Magnacut since I saw info on it. Keep it up and stay safe 👍
What is the blade and handle length?
Where can I find those charts?
What is the hardness (hrc) of the N360 blade? Has the blade received a cryo treatment?
All my blades are cryo-treated and those are around 59 to 60
@@Creelyblades I like your blades. I have the Mako in N360 since last week👍. And I ordered the other two in Vanax and Magnacut.
Why is laser cut steel with a broad tang a benefit? That seems to only be a benefit to the maker and mass production.
I’m not exactly sure what your criticism is here? When you say broad tang I assume you mean full tang. I don’t think that water jet cutting was being presented as a benefit, simply an explanation of how and why it’s made the way it is. In terms of its benefit to the end-user it allows the knife to be more affordable because of a more efficient process.
@@Creelyblades Auto correct problems :(. I meant proud, the tang is proud of the scales. I do agree on affordability but what’s the benefit you are pointing out in maintenance in the video? Isn’t the primary value to reduce production effort (note I’m all for automating production).
@@brandonnelson4164 No doubt that efficiency is part of the equation, but there is a bit of a benefit. If I use removable scales and sand the steel and scales flush so they are perfect, and then you remove those scales it is virtually impossible to get them back on perfectly again. There is always a sharp lip somewhere. Making the a little proud and tumbling makes it a lot easier to take the scales on and off and swap them between different blades.
hope the grinders are good....would hate to see these master steels amd ht ruined
They use half million dollar Berger grinders. During the grinding process they are flooded with coolant, so they are probably safer than when I do it by hand.
Is there a pre order? How can I find more information? I looked on your website but couldn’t find anything on these. Thanks
There is a link in the description.
Hey Gary,
What do you think of 80CrV2 as in Winkler’s offerings?
Thanks!!
It is a nice clean low alloy carbon steel. It is high toughness, low edge holding, and not corrosion resistant. 52100 would be my choice in that style of steel.
@@Creelyblades Gotcha! So are you saying that for a type of blade that would be used in combat type and more extreme conditions, that 52100 would be the solid choice?
Thanku Thanku!
How does your chart put LC200N above H1 in corrosion resistance?
They are the same on the chart and it is ahead just because of the way it is sorted. Additionally, if there are 2 steels right next to each other on a chart with this many steels I would not get too burned up about their exact order.
@@Creelyblades ok for sure. Thanks for the reply. I will calm down! Lol.
What is your belt sander ? custom made ?
I have 3, esteem, a reeder, and a homemade horizontal
Hey, would you like to team up and make some super high-end blades? We all need better American made blades. I don’t have equipment to get started anytime soon. Could I come work in your shop and share cool ideas and make fun RUclips videos? I need to make some money because my wife is pregnant. I’d rather make amazing knives for a living than anything else. I could be like you apprentice and also share ideas that’ll inspire you too. What do you say?
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That the tang is protruding over the handle scales is there to help align the scales for fitting is the dumbest thing I have heard. Why not just admit that you got the measurement or machining toleranse wrong 😂👎
Why not admit that?, Because I did it on purpose that’s why not. I’m just being candid and honest about the process. If the knife is not for you, no problem, but don’t insinuate that I’m a liar and troll me.
So....what's the need for designer fad new steels. Are any of them SIGNIFCANTLY better than any other designer fad steels. Probably not just personal preference. For 90% of your daily knife carrying, hunting, cutlery needs CPM S30V or even 1095 will more then meet your needs. Most all people around the world and I would bet most Americans get along fine without the designer fad steels. Maybe it's just the RUclips "aficionados" who can't wait for the next fad steel to come out.
I just ordered one in vanax from dlt. Looking forward to it.
where can i find these charts so i can actually read them?
Are you still selling this knife?
Drooling over a thin magnacut blade from you myself mate.
Would like to see a sharpening notch myself to ease it creeping in the choil
I have a v1 prototype in m390 that I got from you…I also have the in pocket sheath with skull clip…I’m now looking into magnacut or other steels that may be superior
Your blades are simple beautiful and ideal for edc.
Can I send you a template of one of my blades? Think you would like it, made from Elmax.
Hi. What is your reference for the corrosion resistance ranking chart? Did I hear you correctly? Your ranking of the corrosion resistance is NOT based on testing... LOL sure make up your data if you can´t find it. Jeeez man
Several of the steels I do have salt water testing data for, and others are inferred based on their elemental makeup as compared to the tested ones. There are really only about 4 categories of corrosion resistance as I see it. Not stainless at all (aka- 1095, 52100, A2) Semi-Stainless (3V, D2, ) Standard Stainless (S35VN, 154CM, 440C, S90V), and extremely stainless (LC200N, Vanax,) Additionally, even with testing corrosion resistance can be tough to pin down, for instance, some steels do well in salt but not acids, others do well in acids but not salt. I stand by the ratings on the corrosion resistance chart as a good guide for a particular use case.
@@Creelyblades I communicated with Larrin Thomas. Lets compare notes and make a listing based on testing - for rust. And, lets face it, "stainless" is kind of a misnomer.
Would love to try something in mgnacut
Beautiful knife love the cutout
Great charts and comparison! However, I've got to be careful with toughness of some steels. The graph of high toughness doesn't mean it's both anti-chipping and anti-bending. H1 for example, is hard to chip but easy to bend and doesn't get back. I'm not sure if I can call this steel 'tough'.
The toughness in the chart is based on the notch c toughness test. That is one aspect of overall steel strength, it does has some considerable correlation it other aspects of toughness and strength. As you point those correlations are not 100%
Hi gary, I need advice :
I've been using a 300 grit king stone for a toothy edge,but removes too much material for a regular use, so I was thinking about a 800/1000/1200 stone, wich one would you suggest ?
Does 1200 work well ?
For maintenance 1200s more than enough
@@Creelyblades Thank's 👍😀 still with a toothy edge tho ?
Please forgive my "ignorance " but the toothy stuff I've understood only lately , but I enjoy it 😀
Do you expect to offer "CREELY BLADES PERFECT" in magnacut in the (near) future?
I don’t know that I would say the near future, but certainly on my radar
Wow, love these charts. Thanks a bunch!
Would you consider a sprint run of a PM2 from Spyderco with your steel?
Not my steel, it is a CPM steel.
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Is lc200n really tougher than Magnacut? The charts on knifesteelnerds and on your vid show that it’s tougher. I’m trying to decide which steel to order in my Mako
It is a little bit tougher, but on the size of blade of the mako that really doesn’t matter. Lc200 is more corrosion resistant also,There’s a lot of hype around Magnacut right now and it is a good steel, but Lc200 and is more rare and special
@@Creelyblades thanks for the info. Before I saw this reply I ended up just ordering a Mako in the Magnacut right after I saw Pete’s vid about the Mako in Magnacut lol. I got really hyped about the steel after that vid. I think both of the steels would serve me well though.
What color will the handles be?
If I’m not mistaken you can choose handle color when your knife is being made.
What about AEB , do these steels are top notched also!
AEBL is great, and punches above its weight as a poured ingot stainless. These 3 are in a different class.
@@Creelyblades Sir, I am excited to acquire , one of at least nice & affordable lineup of your Mako fixed blades , like the ones, I’ve mentioned & Cruwear which I find out is more expensive!
Is ordering a PG mako in magnacut off the creely blades site the same as backing on kickstarter?
Those orders will be filled after the Kickstarter orders are filled, but similar concept
@@Creelyblades well shoot is there any way I can become a kickstarter without having to order a second blade if I've ordered one off the site? handle scale color doesn't really matter much to me as I might have a go at making my own for it down the line.
@@Creelyblades and to be clear what I’m asking is if I can transfer a creely blades site purchase to one of the available Kickstarter slots.
@@kevindeuschle3413 The Kickstarter orders were only open for a period of 20 days a couple months ago, there are no open slots for Kickstarter as that campaign ended.
@@Creelyblades oh, ok. sorry about that. I'll be patient then as difficult as that is going to be =). Thanks for getting back to me.
What rockwell did you target for the magnacut?