This is an easy thing to say as a retiree with a pension. As a dude with 3 kids, a full time job and a marriage, the difference between "building a plane" and "watch tv" is that "building a plane" takes a massive investment in space and time: you're basically looking at needing to be in the same house, with a garage, for 5+ years.
@@JS-rp7qb I'd be interested to know what the monthly cost of renting a storage space for the average length of time for the typical airplane (5-6 years I think). If it's $100 a month, you're looking at between $6000 and $7200 JUST to store the damn thing. Watching TV may not pay but it doesn't cost me anything either (although I don't have a cable subscription).
@Positive Anion Brother, those are words to live by, but if ever possible "do both" ! Are you, or have you ever been associated with any U.S.N. Seabees ? We don't just "do more with less", "we do better" !
And i thought i am too old to work hard, save money, study a lot and start flying an ultralight at age of 42! People like you keep inspiring me. I hope you get there sir.
Its always seemed odd to me that something so low tech, with only a few hundred pounds of common materials with such simple construction should be so damned expensive.
I built my Sonex from plans for under $16,000. That was spread out over a period of five years. I now have about 350 hours on the clock. Its a great little airplane and building it was a wonderful experience.
What a great exemple of financial wisdom ! You built a very nice airplane at a price of a used small car. You inspired me sir, to do the same and to teach it to the kids/new pilots. The way you found your paint is a good representation of your "think outside the box" philosophy. Thanks so much for your teaching. I will share your video on my blog for sure. Best Regards Jeff Boivin
This is pretty much the way I have done things all my life and it usually works out O.K. A fine video and a very nicely turned out plane. Sure would like to see it fly.
I knew an old cheap guy like that in my neighborhood. Found out after he died I saw his daughter and found she and her two brothers inherited $20MIL from that cheap old dude.
I also know one. In the mid 90's an old Filipino American citizen died. He was unmarried with no kids and have worked since he was mid 20's for about 30 years. None of his nephews and nieces wanted to have anything to do with him since he work low paying jobs in electronics, got laid off couple of times and worked odd jobs in between. He dressed up so cheap and eat only sandwiches. He sleeps mostly in the garage of friends or relatives. He had no car. At that time he got sick he was living with a distant relative. Before he died some social worker went over his situation with the idea of sending him to a care home since the relative was refusing to take care of him. It turned out he had a total invested stocks and assets and retirement funds of over 300 K which is big money back then. All of a sudden his nephews and nieces became interested and were contesting as to who will take care of him.
@@ramilio2 Sounds like a twist on the old story of the uncle's treasure. He spent his golden years living with one relative after another, always dragging his locked and chained treasure chest with him. After he died the nieces and nephews busted it open and found it was full of old newspapers.
Great Video! Great Story and wonderful plane build in a great way. Wish the video was longer and showed more details. There are too many people out there who think Aviation is just for Millionaires ... Done right it has ways to be a very reasonably priced hobby. Best Regards from Alaska!
No its not. Many major corporations borrow money because its cheaper than using their own - especially for share buy backs - their cash is working at say 5% while they can borrow at 2% - many people will do the same. Update your assumptions.
He's not talking interest rates, he's talking about going into debt to buy an aircraft vs building one on the cheap. That said, interest rates for individuals to buy an airplane run 7-10% depending on the term.
No, debt is owing someone else money. He is saying he does not want to have debt because he could not afford to pay someone back for what he doesn't' have now. Poverty does not necessarily lead to debt, particularly if one is wise.
Sweet I love it, it has a certain charm, that any other piper full dollar flyer, it's unique, one of a kind. I am sitting here putting together parts and pieces from crashed airplanes, making a frankenplane,I gots to be flying, I start quake n without my air time. Thanks for sharing later my brother.
That was great, it put a huge smile on my face, I love creativity n practicality, finding the solution to the need at the lowest cost. I did wonder about regulations and documentation though. A really fun little vid but now I want to know more, time to do some internet searching ;).
2015 and folks are still talking bad about this. It's not about if the aircraft is safe it's about the doing. You can be safe and be smart (cheap) at the same time. I think this gentleman is smart and I very much doubt he would fly a pice of junk. Good job sir.
"There is a common figure circulating on the internet that the actual first plane, the 1903 Flyer, cost less than $1000 (less than $28K in current dollars) in terms of parts and materials." I'd say you did pretty darn good.
The man illustrates an important concept. There is often more than one good way to get something done. And youtube has opened people's eyes to that concept by sharing information and methods, techniques from all over the world. Knowledge is a powerful thing. Now, how can I avoid the recurring gout in my right toe? I'll bet someone has a better solution than the doctors.
Agreed. And this is a wonderful example of telling the rest of the self-inflated aviation "industry" to go and jump in the lake with its ludicrous charges for servicing, insurance, regulations, certification and everything else controlled by rapacious middle men.
Gout. Try cherries, mangos and plenty of water. It's not wine etc which causes the ache, it can be the water pills you may have been taking. It's worth a try, tastes nice anyway!!!!! The fruit, not the pills!!!!
I agree knowledge is a powerful thing, and there is often more than one good way to get something done, still for a price. The price is likely some form of change, like in material, schedule, cost, or use. Gout is caused by a problem in one of the body's scavenging and recycling systems for protein and DNA. Eating too much of either one (steak, mushrooms...), or breaking down too much of your own (alcohol, damage...) can overwhelm the malfunctioning pathway. This bottleneck causes uric acid to build up. This alone is harmless, as you will pee it out. When high uric acid in blood encounters low pH areas of the body, cooler areas with poor blood flow, it can form crystals. The crystals are sharp and cause damage. The goal is to dissolve them by temporarily raising the pH and increasing blood flow. How? Mix some baking soda, a mild base, into water and drink it, once or twice a day. This will help control an acute attack within a day or so. To prevent an attack, cherries help pee out urate, and avoid trigger foods and body damage, and exercise to improve blood flow. The PRICE: baking soda is like salt in sodium content, so this solution will stress your blood pressure, blood vessels, and your kidneys. The baking soda will cost a few cents. I hear you about doctors, but not all of us are idiots or under corporate control just yet ;)
Suffered from gout for years, my wife sent me to a specialist. I have been gout free for 8 years now due to taking Uloric daily. It must be taken with Cochine for 3 to 6 months to start ( as taking it could cause a very bad gout attack.) After that just a Uloric a day and eat or drink whatever you like. That is my experience.
Now I am a mechanical engineer. I'm confident I could design a plane that's perfectly safe. I am not, however, confidently say that my handiwork would produce the expected safety. Knowing myself I'd forget to attach the chain to the rudder.
Truth is professional Aviation mechanics aren't confident they can do it either. That's why they have 100 layers of inspection to make sure it's done right. Just double check everything you do a ton and you'd be better off that most people. Flying the plane is where I would see more issues.
Excellent video!! Information very valuable. Thanx for the education on building the plane. Would like to hear what engine you installed , also how long it took to complete the project.
Go gramps!!!! Was really cool to watch him build this plane! Too bad old age caught up and he can’t fly anymore :( my uncle now owns it and also works for the EAA
Doesn’t say much about testing or analysis. I’m a mechanical engineer and want to build an airplane. All my experience is automotive. Without knowing load factors, required g load capability for a flight worthy machine causes me some hesitation. This fine gentleman passed the final test. I’ve seldom got from sketches to 5-9s reliable hardware, or at least reliable enough for me to take it up to 1000 feet and buzz the brother in law, in one step. Sometimes it’s good to not know what you don’t know. This guy has some very special intuitive talent. Don’t everybody think that this will work for them. Think about, “guess and test”.
Great video. Only issue I have is the hangar. How much do you suppose he is paying for that? I know in the Reno/Sparks area you’re looking a $350/month minimum to share a hangar, more like $400/month. So you’d be paying $4800 a year to house a $6500 airplane. And yes, it needs to be hangared, it’s fabric. In a way this shows that an all metal Luscombe, Cessna, Piper, would pay for itself in just 4 or 5 years because you can tie it down outside for maybe $480/year. Or maybe even better yet, a folding wing like Kitfox or Avid. Just thinking out loud here...
perfect plane for recreational flying, no static port and pitot tube, no six packs. No electrical system for radio and flaps, all he need is a rotating prop and wings to make it airborne. I wonder how he connected the yoke with the string and actuators.
Very good work. The only problem is somethings you can cut back on others you can't. I don't see any indication of Tim Buttles jeopardizing his safety, he knows what he's doing. But someone watching this video might get the wrong idea and build an unreliable aircraft and crash.
I do agree that we must know what we do. But a wise man will have a back up "knowledgable" friend who double check his own work with data to prove it right. We can find them (data or friend) with the EAA online community or with others organizations. But you are RIGHT never jeopardize our safety. I think this is the reason that most of people buy airplane kits with plans. :) Best Regards, Jeff
When I get old and (hopefully) have a good retirement, this is the kind of stuff I want to do. I would have all the time I need to just build almost anything.
I love this man's spirit! I started my operation, with a lot of creaivity, and practically zero budget. All you need is a target and to keep focused. There are so many thigns that can be re-puporsed and it makes it feasible when you think outside the box. We have been conditioned to see things as given by those that present them, many times as the only way, but it does not have to be that way. There are many ways to skin a cat, so to speak, and when necessity presents itself, creativity really takes over. Thumbs up! BTW check out my Land Yacht video using tyvek for sail.
Nice work and commentary - Id be curious to have heard more on how the FAA inspections went as Im sure theres some stories there w/ all the improvisations made.
How did u get ur airplane to pass faa inspection? I have a Cessna cub( Cessna 152 wings on a pa18 fuselage with a custom tail) but i am running into some major issues with the 50% rule for experimental
"The labor doesn't pay anything, watching tv doesn't pay either". Fantastic word
No one needs tv anymore. Watch good people on RUclips.
This is an easy thing to say as a retiree with a pension. As a dude with 3 kids, a full time job and a marriage, the difference between "building a plane" and "watch tv" is that "building a plane" takes a massive investment in space and time: you're basically looking at needing to be in the same house, with a garage, for 5+ years.
Daniel Williams rent a storage space and borrow a trailer when you need it
@@JS-rp7qb I'd be interested to know what the monthly cost of renting a storage space for the average length of time for the typical airplane (5-6 years I think). If it's $100 a month, you're looking at between $6000 and $7200 JUST to store the damn thing. Watching TV may not pay but it doesn't cost me anything either (although I don't have a cable subscription).
@Positive Anion
Brother, those are words to live by, but if ever possible "do both" ! Are you, or have you ever been associated with any U.S.N. Seabees ? We don't just "do more with less", "we do better" !
"the lack of money has become, I call it : Good education". Very very nice example of a great human being !!!
Excellent words to live by in a time when excess money brings about poorly educated people..
Ramon Martinez miseducated people, I guess
Go for it old timer l'm right behind you (63) building from scratch my own design and " if " something goes wrong so be it, l lived my dream.
I am 62, soon to be your age and I too dream of flying, and inspired by this gentleman. Nice work!
Are you still alive?!
@@robdevoe1057 guess not...
And i thought i am too old to work hard, save money, study a lot and start flying an ultralight at age of 42! People like you keep inspiring me. I hope you get there sir.
How's your progress? I'm going to check out your channel. I'm 50.
Its always seemed odd to me that something so low tech, with only a few hundred pounds of common materials with such simple construction should be so damned expensive.
Iv wondered that too!
Because of liability insurance required from Tort Reform. It’s super expensive to make aircraft now because of the regulations required in aviation.
I built my Sonex from plans for under $16,000. That was spread out over a period of five years. I now have about 350 hours on the clock. Its a great little airplane and building it was a wonderful experience.
My Cessna 152 airplane was free. I just had to pay $18,000 for the engine.
Still a pretty great deal. Especially if you know a good A and P
You had me in the first half ngl
There must have been one hell of a conversation when he got this thing inspected with the FAA.
Nope, as an experimental they don't really care too much lol.
i believe man made aircraft don't get inspected by FAA, it could be just "on condition" year round hahah
There is an inspection, its just not all that rigorous like a manufacturer certification process
iliketrains0pwned HAH
Haha 😂
only if people where more like this guy, the world would be an amazing place
Great video! Proves that where there is a will, there is always a way.
Where there is a will there is also inheritance, buy an aeroplane!!
where there is a will, there is a bill.
a $6,500 bill for that airplane you built
respect sir
What a great exemple of financial wisdom ! You built a very nice airplane at a price of a used small car. You inspired me sir, to do the same and to teach it to the kids/new pilots. The way you found your paint is a good representation of your "think outside the box" philosophy. Thanks so much for your teaching. I will share your video on my blog for sure. Best Regards Jeff Boivin
I learned a lot from this . I love flying but I learned something else by watching this . Live within your means .
100 % Respect and Admiration. Can you imagine if we all had this drive and ingenuity?
and then rolls it back in the hangar, because of the cost of AV GAS . nice.
FPVREVIEWS probably rocks pump gas 87 lol
that's why I want a paramotor
Wonder how good the fuel economy is on this guy's plane
The $15k hanger on his $1M property....
...bet he uses mogas...
This is pretty much the way I have done things all my life and it usually works out O.K. A fine video and a very nicely turned out plane. Sure would like to see it fly.
Yes if you can show up to me thanks
Words that makers live by: "The labor doesn't pay anything but watching TV doesn't pay anything either." Love that.
I knew an old cheap guy like that in my neighborhood. Found out after he died I saw his daughter and found she and her two brothers inherited $20MIL from that cheap old dude.
that happens more than you think.
I also know one. In the mid 90's an old Filipino American citizen died. He was unmarried with no kids and have worked since he was mid 20's for about 30 years. None of his nephews and nieces wanted to have anything to do with him since he work low paying jobs in electronics, got laid off couple of times and worked odd jobs in between. He dressed up so cheap and eat only sandwiches. He sleeps mostly in the garage of friends or relatives. He had no car. At that time he got sick he was living with a distant relative. Before he died some social worker went over his situation with the idea of sending him to a care home since the relative was refusing to take care of him. It turned out he had a total invested stocks and assets and retirement funds of over 300 K which is big money back then. All of a sudden his nephews and nieces became interested and were contesting as to who will take care of him.
@@ramilio2 Sounds like a twist on the old story of the uncle's treasure. He spent his golden years living with one relative after another, always dragging his locked and chained treasure chest with him. After he died the nieces and nephews busted it open and found it was full of old newspapers.
You sir. Did what my grandfather said he was gonna do. An he never got to due to funds. I admire you. Maybe one day I can change that.
That was awesome sir..... No matter what.. When we know the trick everything works just perfect...
He embodies the spirit that built America. Great inspiration!
Always proud of Tim's creativity.
Great Video! Great Story and wonderful plane build in a great way. Wish the video was longer and showed more details. There are too many people out there who think Aviation is just for Millionaires ... Done right it has ways to be a very reasonably priced hobby. Best Regards from Alaska!
You need to spray uv-blocking on the PVC.
This is what Paul Poberezny always meant EAA to be.
"I don't want debts, I can't afford them"
That is in fact the definition of debts.
Yeah, but too many people never get that concept through their heads.
No its not. Many major corporations borrow money because its cheaper than using their own - especially for share buy backs - their cash is working at say 5% while they can borrow at 2% - many people will do the same. Update your assumptions.
He's not talking interest rates, he's talking about going into debt to buy an aircraft vs building one on the cheap. That said, interest rates for individuals to buy an airplane run 7-10% depending on the term.
@audas , as in auditing ass? You're overly anxious to show off your last textbook reading.
No, debt is owing someone else money. He is saying he does not want to have debt because he could not afford to pay someone back for what he doesn't' have now. Poverty does not necessarily lead to debt, particularly if one is wise.
Great video! You are an inspiration my friend!
Sweet I love it, it has a certain charm, that any other piper full dollar flyer, it's unique, one of a kind. I am sitting here putting together parts and pieces from crashed airplanes, making a frankenplane,I gots to be flying, I start quake n without my air time. Thanks for sharing later my brother.
That was great, it put a huge smile on my face, I love creativity n practicality, finding the solution to the need at the lowest cost. I did wonder about regulations and documentation though. A really fun little vid but now I want to know more, time to do some internet searching ;).
Sir I cant Express the way this inspired me thank you
2015 and folks are still talking bad about this. It's not about if the aircraft is safe it's about the doing. You can be safe and be smart (cheap) at the same time. I think this gentleman is smart and I very much doubt he would fly a pice of junk.
Good job sir.
I was chewing some bubble gum and I thought to myself....hell...this would be great for affixing the empanage to the airframe!!
Very resourceful man.
Nice looking airplane. Good tips and nice job.
This is absolutely amazing!!!!
My respect goes out to you sir!
This guy reminds me of my dad, now I can fix almost anything also. Awesome video, plane, and especially pilot.
This guy is a true inspiration!
Great encouragement!!!
"There is a common figure circulating on the internet that the actual first plane, the 1903 Flyer, cost less than $1000 (less than $28K in current dollars) in terms of parts and materials." I'd say you did pretty darn good.
There is the true spirit of avation pioneers.
The man illustrates an important concept. There is often more than one good way to get something done. And youtube has opened people's eyes to that concept by sharing information and methods, techniques from all over the world. Knowledge is a powerful thing. Now, how can I avoid the recurring gout in my right toe? I'll bet someone has a better solution than the doctors.
Agreed. And this is a wonderful example of telling the rest of the self-inflated aviation "industry" to go and jump in the lake with its ludicrous charges for servicing, insurance, regulations, certification and everything else controlled by rapacious middle men.
Gout. Try cherries, mangos and plenty of water. It's not wine etc which causes the ache, it can be the water pills you may have been taking. It's worth a try, tastes nice anyway!!!!! The fruit, not the pills!!!!
I agree knowledge is a powerful thing, and there is often more than one good way to get something done, still for a price. The price is likely some form of change, like in material, schedule, cost, or use. Gout is caused by a problem in one of the body's scavenging and recycling systems for protein and DNA. Eating too much of either one (steak, mushrooms...), or breaking down too much of your own (alcohol, damage...) can overwhelm the malfunctioning pathway. This bottleneck causes uric acid to build up. This alone is harmless, as you will pee it out. When high uric acid in blood encounters low pH areas of the body, cooler areas with poor blood flow, it can form crystals. The crystals are sharp and cause damage. The goal is to dissolve them by temporarily raising the pH and increasing blood flow. How? Mix some baking soda, a mild base, into water and drink it, once or twice a day. This will help control an acute attack within a day or so. To prevent an attack, cherries help pee out urate, and avoid trigger foods and body damage, and exercise to improve blood flow. The PRICE: baking soda is like salt in sodium content, so this solution will stress your blood pressure, blood vessels, and your kidneys. The baking soda will cost a few cents. I hear you about doctors, but not all of us are idiots or under corporate control just yet ;)
Suffered from gout for years, my wife sent me to a specialist. I have been gout free for 8 years now due to taking Uloric daily. It must be taken with Cochine for 3 to 6 months to start ( as taking it could cause a very bad gout attack.) After that just a Uloric a day and eat or drink whatever you like. That is my experience.
Prop your feet up every night before you go to bed for 15 minutes it is also good for swolen legs.
Nice video. Keep flying
The craftman's skills means more than expensive materials.
Thanks for the lesson.
Now I am a mechanical engineer. I'm confident I could design a plane that's perfectly safe.
I am not, however, confidently say that my handiwork would produce the expected safety. Knowing myself I'd forget to attach the chain to the rudder.
Truth is professional Aviation mechanics aren't confident they can do it either. That's why they have 100 layers of inspection to make sure it's done right. Just double check everything you do a ton and you'd be better off that most people. Flying the plane is where I would see more issues.
Awesome build Sir..........................
Excellent video from my EAA brother.
Excellent video!! Information very valuable. Thanx for the education on building the plane. Would like to hear what engine you installed , also how long it took to complete the project.
I really enjoyed your video, thank you.
"Now, the labor dosn't pay anything but watching tv dosn't pay anything either." Genius.
What a Beauty that plane is.
Love this guy! Nice airplane.
You are my hero. Pure genius
And it still passes certifications. Well dones, sir! 👍👍
Go gramps!!!! Was really cool to watch him build this plane! Too bad old age caught up and he can’t fly anymore :( my uncle now owns it and also works for the EAA
pics or ban lol
Doesn’t say much about testing or analysis. I’m a mechanical engineer and want to build an airplane. All my experience is automotive. Without knowing load factors, required g load capability for a flight worthy machine causes me some hesitation. This fine gentleman passed the final test. I’ve seldom got from sketches to 5-9s reliable hardware, or at least reliable enough for me to take it up to 1000 feet and buzz the brother in law, in one step. Sometimes it’s
good to not know what you don’t know. This guy has some very special intuitive talent. Don’t everybody think that this will work for them. Think about, “guess and test”.
Well done sir, great job...fantastic
That is a good looking airplane.
Great thing to know about . I wish, if I also could make it by myself .
Awesome Video, thanks.
Wow that is awesome. Stay safe.
Absolutely wonderful. You da man!
Well Done - Incredible Thinking
"instead of air fuel, i just use moonshine, works pretty good"
Looks very well-built
Top job Mate !!!
I have a chrisavia MK4 .power plant is a 1962 Buick V8 aluminum block I got 560 hours on it . I fly all over I love it..
Great job and I'm in agreement..
great job. like your attitude ;) looks great.
That guy is my hero. Wish he lived next to me. We would be the best of friends.
Brilliant - beautiful plane - awsome.
Great video. Only issue I have is the hangar. How much do you suppose he is paying for that? I know in the Reno/Sparks area you’re looking a $350/month minimum to share a hangar, more like $400/month. So you’d be paying $4800 a year to house a $6500 airplane. And yes, it needs to be hangared, it’s fabric. In a way this shows that an all metal Luscombe, Cessna, Piper, would pay for itself in just 4 or 5 years because you can tie it down outside for maybe $480/year. Or maybe even better yet, a folding wing like Kitfox or Avid. Just thinking out loud here...
wow nice air plane good job.i would like to build my own airplane one of these days .
He tells all those stories.. has it parked like hes gonna go fly and then pushes it back in the hangar!! MAN!
perfect plane for recreational flying, no static port and pitot tube, no six packs. No electrical system for radio and flaps, all he need is a rotating prop and wings to make it airborne. I wonder how he connected the yoke with the string and actuators.
Good on you!
Very good work. The only problem is somethings you can cut back on others you can't. I don't see any indication of Tim Buttles jeopardizing his safety, he knows what he's doing. But someone watching this video might get the wrong idea and build an unreliable aircraft and crash.
SirXavior You live and learn. If someone wants to build and fly one of these, you can't just put it together and send it in the air.
I do agree that we must know what we do. But a wise man will have a back up "knowledgable" friend who double check his own work with data to prove it right. We can find them (data or friend) with the EAA online community or with others organizations. But you are RIGHT never jeopardize our safety. I think this is the reason that most of people buy airplane kits with plans. :) Best Regards, Jeff
safety police. Do you wear an orange cone on ur head and have a whistle? i think about the important thing
When I get old and (hopefully) have a good retirement, this is the kind of stuff I want to do. I would have all the time I need to just build almost anything.
This guy is awesome
Nicely done
Love it Bravo 👏 👍 Labor doesn’t pay you any money but watching TV doesn’t either 😂👍👍👍
I love this man's spirit! I started my operation, with a lot of creaivity, and practically zero budget. All you need is a target and to keep focused. There are so many thigns that can be re-puporsed and it makes it feasible when you think outside the box. We have been conditioned to see things as given by those that present them, many times as the only way, but it does not have to be that way. There are many ways to skin a cat, so to speak, and when necessity presents itself, creativity really takes over. Thumbs up! BTW check out my Land Yacht video using tyvek for sail.
can i see it fly?
I love this guy, hes awesome. Tight as hell but awesome.
What an awesome video. Flying should be about flying, not about $$ :)
Fantastic job.
Amazing and inspiring, thanks Tim Butholes!
Would love to see it fly.... beauty of a plane!
He is my hero, definitely
true spirit of aviation
Nice work and commentary - Id be curious to have heard more on how the FAA inspections went as Im sure theres some stories there w/ all the improvisations made.
Does $6,500 cover the cost of the powerplant too? Nice job man! I'm building a BD4 so I think along the same lines.
I'm also curious where he got the engine and how much it costs.
You see a typical engine so he stripped a honda civic engine lol
So cool!
This guy is awesome.
my heart will go on
How did u get ur airplane to pass faa inspection? I have a Cessna cub( Cessna 152 wings on a pa18 fuselage with a custom tail) but i am running into some major issues with the 50% rule for experimental
did you ever get it certified?
Don't think you can just put together certified craft parts and call it exp. anymore. FAA took the fun out with more stringent rules.
What a guy!
Thanks brady lane👍 its inspirational....
You're my hero.