The memory spell was unforgivable, total disrespect of boundaries and lack of consent. Essentially mind-r@pe. Tara shouldn't have taken Willow back after that.
So far they're the only LGBT couple representation on screen I love as a bisexual of the community. Due to the fact that they're the only gay couple on TV that I've seen treated normally like a straight couple and not written sexually or as blunt stereotypes. They're also realistic and natural in they're acting which gives them chemistry that you can not only see but feel and get attached to,
Totally agree with you. All other LGBT relationships I've seen in entertainment media exist only so the shows can boast they have LGBT characters in LGBT relationships, and that's it. But Willow/Tara is written in a natural and realistic way, and I love the pairing completely.
> I've seen treated normally like a straight couple and not written sexually or as blunt stereotypes. Does Willow's date with Kennedy fall under the "blunt stereotypes" heading? Proportionally they send a fair bit of time talking specifically about their sexuality, and not that much talking about everything else that makes them who they are. I get that whole "look how lesbian they are" vibe from it. (I'm not a lesbian, being neither female nor homosexual, so I observe them from an outsider's perspective.) > not written sexually Xander's dream in Restless says hi. But I hear you. That was one exceptional scene.
Willow became intoxicated from the magick and, like a drunkard, had become dependent on it. It was when Xander had saved her (and the world) from "Dark Willow," that she felt the guilt of what she had done. Willow and Tara were my favorite though. Even after Tara died Willow was still my favorite character
It always proper upsets me when willow says to Tara "I need you baby!" Like you've just broke her heart! You don't get to call her baby or any term of endearment! xxx
It really comes across as insidiously manipulative whenever Willow does it. And it's even worse when you remember that Tara comes from an abusive and strict and controlling family of more outspoken people, probably prone to raising voices, so Willow deliberately targeting Tara's need for gentle handling while trying to gloss over her own wrongdoing is really sick.
When she mentioned the whole reversing time and taking it back I was like that’s dumb because when Tara died it was like okay why the hell didn’t she use that spell and go back to stop Warren, hello.
You do realize that's the definition of being homophobic. What's your problem with her falling in love with Tara? I know you're gonna say, "I don't give a shit" but personally, they were my favorite couple and I was not only heartbroken but pissed when they killed Tara. Well, not only that but I fucking hated Kennedy!
@@rwwilson21 I don't understand what you're talking about. I'm NOT homophobic and if you read my comment correctly, you'll see that Willow and Tara becoming a lesbian couple was my favorite part
...as a matter of fact, I wanted them to make a spinoff with those two, but nooo, they had to kill Tara off. I was very angry about it and threw a chair off my balcony. I thought it was cool though that Willow got her revenge, and also happy that she didn't take it too far and destroyed the world
@@michaelschweigart3517 You are right! I'm sorry for what I said. I will give you time to read this or comment back and I then will delete my comments out of my stupidity.
There is a video of that in the uploaders playlist, but it's blocked from viewing because copyright. The uploader should reupload all those videos again.
Im probably clueless bc i dont have much relationship experience but i dont understand this trope in tv shows with couples when one is spiraling out of control the other leaves them “for their own good”. Why? Why would you abandon the one you love when they are at their worst and probably need you the most. I love tara she is maybe my favorite character but i just dont get why people do this. If someone i love is spiraling like this and destroying their life in some way the last thing i would wanna do is abandon them. again i dont have ton of relationship experience so maybe im naive but idk :/
This is actually a really great question! I see what you mean, it seems cold to leave someone at their lowest. But I think what’s important to keep in mind in situations like this is that there is a big difference between supporting someone through a hard time and letting someone drag you down with them. It’s always your responsibility to make sure you are taking care of yourself first, and if your partner’s choices or lifestyle are causing you suffering, then you shouldn’t stay. That’s not to say we should abandon each other every time things’s get tough, however, there is a difference between going through a hard time together, and supporting each other (for example, one of you had a big set back - lost a job, or a loved one, and are going to need time to grieve or get back on your feet) and one person taking advantage of the other (for example, Willow and Tara) Anyway, I hope that makes sense, sorry for the novel, this is just something I wish I knew when I was younger!
TL;DR: Willow's actions are abusive, and no matter what, you cannot fix someone, not ever. Not because there's something "wrong" or "not good enough" about you, but because for someone to change they must be both willing and *actively trying* to change. Willow was neither, Tara was absolutely right to leave her. Never stay with someone who abuses you because "they're hurting too!" Their pain is *not* your responsibility; it's theirs. They need a therapist for that, not you. Jumping in a little bit late here, as another commenter made some really good points, but I wanted to add a few things. As the other commenter said, if your partner is hurting you, you have to take care of yourself first. Willow literally erased Tara's memory so she could pretend their fight never happened, a HUGE violation of trust. When Tara confronts her, Willow tries to downplay and justify her actions, instead of owning up to what she did wrong, apologizing, and changing her actions in the future. She tries to guilt Tara by saying she did it out of love and because she needs Tara. Really, she did it because it was easier and so she wouldn't have to face the consequences for her actions. Willow's actions *are* abusive, and you should NEVER stay in an abusive relationship because you think you can "fix" someone. Which leads me to the second reason Tara should leave: you *cannot* fix another person. You *cannot* make someone else change. Not a boy/girlfriend, not a parent, not a sibling, not a friend. The only thing you can do is offer support if they *want* to change, which Willow doesn't. Tara gives Willow a chance to prove herself, and Willow immediately blows that chance. Not only does she use magic, she purposely tries to do the exact thing she knows hurt Tara so much. Willow didn't care that she was hurting Tara, she just didn't want to face the consequences of what she had done to Tara. Everything that happens to Willow is a consequence of her own actions. Finally, let me repeat what I said above: Never stay with someone who abuses you because "they're hurting too!" Their pain is *not* your responsibility; it's theirs. That applies to everyone in life: family, friends, romances, even jobs. It can be hard to leave these people behind, but their personal problems are their responsibility to handle, not yours.
Willow abused Tara. Tara was trying to explain to Willow that her addiction to magic is getting out of control and Willow wasn't really understanding her, she didn't fully appreciate just how abusive her actions were. Tara wasn't giving up on her but she needed space, 1 week, to think on things. Time for Willow to show change and for Tara to heal, process what happened and space to think about the relationship/Willows addiction. That's what I got from the scene anyways. The scene after is when Tara leaves her, Willow mind wiped her a 2nd time and that was just too much, Tara had every right to leave her first time but chose to give her a chance. Willow has a problem she needs help with, but she wasn't ready to stop/get help because she was using magic to get away with her addiction in a vicious cycle. It gave Tara no option other than leaving because the hurt/abuse was too deep and she couldn't help, because Willow wasn't ready own up to her addiction and work on herself, by leaving it showed that Willow must make an effort to earn her trust back. Willow was struggling, but she doesn't get any excuse to abuse the people she loves, it's a good scene to show just how addiction changes a person and blinds them to the hurt they cause to loved ones, as sad as it is to see them break up :(
Great video! Thanks man/mam. Willow is my favorite character, but she was SO fucking shitty to Tara. I get the metaphor for addiction, but that does NOT excuse anything. Tara was raised to believe she was as fucking demon, and then Glory mind raped her. Willow was the one she trusted and loved the most, and in the end she betrayed her too. And then she died. Tara was the most beautiful and wonderfull character. Love Willow, but fuck her when it comes to treating your girl right.
Willow really didn’t deserve Tara and that’s why she lost her in the end and got a shitty replacement like Kennedy for a minute. I would have liked to see their break up though.
They deserved each other, and helped each other with their magic. Willow got addicted, she didn't stop loving Tara. Selfishness isn't part of the addiction, the addiction takes over, and until something happens to make the person mentally decide to end the addiction (just like smoking), it continues. Kennedy wasn't a "shitty replacement", she was what Willow needed to start living fully again, and helped her overcome her fear of the dark magic, and become a goddess of magic. That wouldn't have happened if she was still holding on to Tara.
See i get the abuse and addiction thing but wats the point of having magic and being so stingy and squirimsh about using it . There are consequnces to it but come on live a little enjoy it just not to excess. Charmed use magic plenty of time for personal gain and got away with it so did the magicians dr strange harry potter ouat so why does she have to get burn for it espically small things like creating decorations.
I'm probably stating the obvious, but magic isn't the problem. It's the addiction. Magic is just the tool and in this season magic is the metaphor for drugs. So, in that case, willow might as well been addicted to Heroin, cocaine, or even meth. That is why Tara left her.
I think it was more about like solving every single problem with magic. Like once she started doing little thing it spiraled and when her and Tara had a conflict she immediately resorted to it. Like magic is great and its fine to mess around with it but it isnt some fix-all
Because different universes for one. Look how fast her stuff spiralled. She started casting ON people and screwing with the fabrication of reality. Stuff which in this world can destroy the soul, literally. She started manipulating people with her magic, which is a violation. Essentially rape, in Tara’s case.
The magic fight is similar to when couples fight about drinking. At first they both like to drink, but soon, one person ALWAYS thinks the other drinks to excess while they themselves are being responsible. It also happens with spending money in relationships.
I agree , except for the rape comment. It was NOT rape, it was not sexual violation, it was mental manipulation. Which goes on with most everyone, just not with magic.
While I admire the ambition of the metaphor, it didn't make sense to me that BtVS started off using magic as a cipher for homosexuality, then a season later for addiction--unless they meant for the addiction represented by magic to be sexual, which is too gross to bear thinking about. Overall, for me the choice muddied the waters of the plot and the characterisation too much. Respect if it worked for you, though.
"Fine, that's easy." That scene is such a spot-on portrayal of addiction. An addict is at their most dangerous when they think they're in control.
" I'm cured, I want the boys." 😂😂😂
Their arguments are like the most adorable thing ever. So soft and cute.
I only just noticed how Tara's old stutter came back at 1:50
Yeah, i noticed that too! It comes out when she’s upset, I think
Aww Rest In Peace Tara Mclay 💛☀️✨ always in our hearts
Nearly stopped watching the show when she died :(
@@michellemaher2010 oh my god the series finale had me crying for so long
I haven't gotten there yet but I HATE ITTTTTTYYYYYY I love them together so much 😭😭💔💔💔
The memory spell was unforgivable, total disrespect of boundaries and lack of consent. Essentially mind-r@pe. Tara shouldn't have taken Willow back after that.
So far they're the only LGBT couple representation on screen I love as a bisexual of the community. Due to the fact that they're the only gay couple on TV that I've seen treated normally like a straight couple and not written sexually or as blunt stereotypes. They're also realistic and natural in they're acting which gives them chemistry that you can not only see but feel and get attached to,
Totally agree with you. All other LGBT relationships I've seen in entertainment media exist only so the shows can boast they have LGBT characters in LGBT relationships, and that's it.
But Willow/Tara is written in a natural and realistic way, and I love the pairing completely.
> I've seen treated normally like a straight couple and not written sexually or as blunt stereotypes.
Does Willow's date with Kennedy fall under the "blunt stereotypes" heading?
Proportionally they send a fair bit of time talking specifically about their sexuality, and not that much talking about everything else that makes them who they are. I get that whole "look how lesbian they are" vibe from it.
(I'm not a lesbian, being neither female nor homosexual, so I observe them from an outsider's perspective.)
> not written sexually
Xander's dream in Restless says hi. But I hear you. That was one exceptional scene.
Re-watching this makes me feel so bad for Tara!😢 Willow was actually quite selfish. 😰
Willow became intoxicated from the magick and, like a drunkard, had become dependent on it. It was when Xander had saved her (and the world) from "Dark Willow," that she felt the guilt of what she had done. Willow and Tara were my favorite though. Even after Tara died Willow was still my favorite character
DC Sunshin9 I still think Tara was absolutely her world and without a doubt deepest love in life.
Yes she was.
I think that willow was honestly a shitty girlfriend especially after Tara died. I mean like it took her what, 4 months to move on with Kennedy.
@@melissadavis18 Right! 😭😭
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It always proper upsets me when willow says to Tara "I need you baby!" Like you've just broke her heart! You don't get to call her baby or any term of endearment! xxx
It really comes across as insidiously manipulative whenever Willow does it. And it's even worse when you remember that Tara comes from an abusive and strict and controlling family of more outspoken people, probably prone to raising voices, so Willow deliberately targeting Tara's need for gentle handling while trying to gloss over her own wrongdoing is really sick.
that song is ICONIC lmao
Thank you for these!
When she mentioned the whole reversing time and taking it back I was like that’s dumb because when Tara died it was like okay why the hell didn’t she use that spell and go back to stop Warren, hello.
Yeah I agree Tara really shouldn't have died but in joss's opinion it was the only way to get dark willow
She also said she didn't think she really COULD reverse time.
Willow was always my favorite character, and Buffy became my favorite show once she became a lesbian
You do realize that's the definition of being homophobic. What's your problem with her falling in love with Tara? I know you're gonna say, "I don't give a shit" but personally, they were my favorite couple and I was not only heartbroken but pissed when they killed Tara. Well, not only that but I fucking hated Kennedy!
@@rwwilson21 I don't understand what you're talking about. I'm NOT homophobic and if you read my comment correctly, you'll see that Willow and Tara becoming a lesbian couple was my favorite part
...as a matter of fact, I wanted them to make a spinoff with those two, but nooo, they had to kill Tara off. I was very angry about it and threw a chair off my balcony. I thought it was cool though that Willow got her revenge, and also happy that she didn't take it too far and destroyed the world
@@michaelschweigart3517 You are right! I'm sorry for what I said. I will give you time to read this or comment back and I then will delete my comments out of my stupidity.
No prob! All is good. Buffy though is, to this day, my all-time favorite show
You should add that clip from season 5 when Tara and Willow fought about magic before Glory sucked out Tara's brains.
That wasn't really a fight about magic, but more about their relationship in general
There is a video of that in the uploaders playlist, but it's blocked from viewing because copyright. The uploader should reupload all those videos again.
Poor willow too
Im probably clueless bc i dont have much relationship experience but i dont understand this trope in tv shows with couples when one is spiraling out of control the other leaves them “for their own good”. Why? Why would you abandon the one you love when they are at their worst and probably need you the most. I love tara she is maybe my favorite character but i just dont get why people do this. If someone i love is spiraling like this and destroying their life in some way the last thing i would wanna do is abandon them. again i dont have ton of relationship experience so maybe im naive but idk :/
This is actually a really great question! I see what you mean, it seems cold to leave someone at their lowest. But I think what’s important to keep in mind in situations like this is that there is a big difference between supporting someone through a hard time and letting someone drag you down with them. It’s always your responsibility to make sure you are taking care of yourself first, and if your partner’s choices or lifestyle are causing you suffering, then you shouldn’t stay. That’s not to say we should abandon each other every time things’s get tough, however, there is a difference between going through a hard time together, and supporting each other (for example, one of you had a big set back - lost a job, or a loved one, and are going to need time to grieve or get back on your feet) and one person taking advantage of the other (for example, Willow and Tara) Anyway, I hope that makes sense, sorry for the novel, this is just something I wish I knew when I was younger!
Tara left her because Willow violated her. It's that simple
TL;DR: Willow's actions are abusive, and no matter what, you cannot fix someone, not ever. Not because there's something "wrong" or "not good enough" about you, but because for someone to change they must be both willing and *actively trying* to change. Willow was neither, Tara was absolutely right to leave her. Never stay with someone who abuses you because "they're hurting too!" Their pain is *not* your responsibility; it's theirs. They need a therapist for that, not you.
Jumping in a little bit late here, as another commenter made some really good points, but I wanted to add a few things. As the other commenter said, if your partner is hurting you, you have to take care of yourself first. Willow literally erased Tara's memory so she could pretend their fight never happened, a HUGE violation of trust. When Tara confronts her, Willow tries to downplay and justify her actions, instead of owning up to what she did wrong, apologizing, and changing her actions in the future. She tries to guilt Tara by saying she did it out of love and because she needs Tara. Really, she did it because it was easier and so she wouldn't have to face the consequences for her actions. Willow's actions *are* abusive, and you should NEVER stay in an abusive relationship because you think you can "fix" someone.
Which leads me to the second reason Tara should leave: you *cannot* fix another person. You *cannot* make someone else change. Not a boy/girlfriend, not a parent, not a sibling, not a friend. The only thing you can do is offer support if they *want* to change, which Willow doesn't. Tara gives Willow a chance to prove herself, and Willow immediately blows that chance. Not only does she use magic, she purposely tries to do the exact thing she knows hurt Tara so much. Willow didn't care that she was hurting Tara, she just didn't want to face the consequences of what she had done to Tara. Everything that happens to Willow is a consequence of her own actions.
Finally, let me repeat what I said above: Never stay with someone who abuses you because "they're hurting too!" Their pain is *not* your responsibility; it's theirs. That applies to everyone in life: family, friends, romances, even jobs. It can be hard to leave these people behind, but their personal problems are their responsibility to handle, not yours.
Maybe because women are not rehabilitation centers?
Willow abused Tara. Tara was trying to explain to Willow that her addiction to magic is getting out of control and Willow wasn't really understanding her, she didn't fully appreciate just how abusive her actions were. Tara wasn't giving up on her but she needed space, 1 week, to think on things. Time for Willow to show change and for Tara to heal, process what happened and space to think about the relationship/Willows addiction. That's what I got from the scene anyways.
The scene after is when Tara leaves her, Willow mind wiped her a 2nd time and that was just too much, Tara had every right to leave her first time but chose to give her a chance. Willow has a problem she needs help with, but she wasn't ready to stop/get help because she was using magic to get away with her addiction in a vicious cycle. It gave Tara no option other than leaving because the hurt/abuse was too deep and she couldn't help, because Willow wasn't ready own up to her addiction and work on herself, by leaving it showed that Willow must make an effort to earn her trust back.
Willow was struggling, but she doesn't get any excuse to abuse the people she loves, it's a good scene to show just how addiction changes a person and blinds them to the hurt they cause to loved ones, as sad as it is to see them break up :(
They should have put the song goodbye to you in when Tara died not left willow
love the videos and I was wondering if you could perhaps maybe upload more scenes of them? ♥️
7:32 Willow can't take her eyes off of Tara's
Where are the other parts? 😭😭😭😭😭
I hated when Tara died defo
Me too she was such a sweetheart and so the kind of woman/person I would go for in terms of dating
Hot mamayama.Funny.
Great video! Thanks man/mam.
Willow is my favorite character, but she was SO fucking shitty to Tara. I get the metaphor for addiction, but that does NOT excuse anything. Tara was raised to believe she was as fucking demon, and then Glory mind raped her. Willow was the one she trusted and loved the most, and in the end she betrayed her too.
And then she died.
Tara was the most beautiful and wonderfull character. Love Willow, but fuck her when it comes to treating your girl right.
Willow really didn’t deserve Tara and that’s why she lost her in the end and got a shitty replacement like Kennedy for a minute. I would have liked to see their break up though.
They deserved each other, and helped each other with their magic. Willow got addicted, she didn't stop loving Tara. Selfishness isn't part of the addiction, the addiction takes over, and until something happens to make the person mentally decide to end the addiction (just like smoking), it continues.
Kennedy wasn't a "shitty replacement", she was what Willow needed to start living fully again, and helped her overcome her fear of the dark magic, and become a goddess of magic. That wouldn't have happened if she was still holding on to Tara.
The spells sound arabic lol
The argument scenes really worked well, probably because Alyson IRL treated Amber badly shooting BtVS.
Wait what??!!! Really??!!!
See i get the abuse and addiction thing but wats the point of having magic and being so stingy and squirimsh about using it . There are consequnces to it but come on live a little enjoy it just not to excess. Charmed use magic plenty of time for personal gain and got away with it so did the magicians dr strange harry potter ouat so why does she have to get burn for it espically small things like creating decorations.
I'm probably stating the obvious, but magic isn't the problem. It's the addiction. Magic is just the tool and in this season magic is the metaphor for drugs. So, in that case, willow might as well been addicted to Heroin, cocaine, or even meth. That is why Tara left her.
I think it was more about like solving every single problem with magic. Like once she started doing little thing it spiraled and when her and Tara had a conflict she immediately resorted to it. Like magic is great and its fine to mess around with it but it isnt some fix-all
Because different universes for one. Look how fast her stuff spiralled. She started casting ON people and screwing with the fabrication of reality. Stuff which in this world can destroy the soul, literally. She started manipulating people with her magic, which is a violation. Essentially rape, in Tara’s case.
The magic fight is similar to when couples fight about drinking. At first they both like to drink, but soon, one person ALWAYS thinks the other drinks to excess while they themselves are being responsible. It also happens with spending money in relationships.
I agree , except for the rape comment. It was NOT rape, it was not sexual violation, it was mental manipulation. Which goes on with most everyone, just not with magic.
While I admire the ambition of the metaphor, it didn't make sense to me that BtVS started off using magic as a cipher for homosexuality, then a season later for addiction--unless they meant for the addiction represented by magic to be sexual, which is too gross to bear thinking about. Overall, for me the choice muddied the waters of the plot and the characterisation too much. Respect if it worked for you, though.
Ok... that song is so CRINGE.
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