We make copper/brass/bronze pistons - what will happen?

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  • @jareknowak8712
    @jareknowak8712 Год назад +570

    Stock rods and 3x more weight on the piston.
    Thats impressive.

    • @sasabarisic8864
      @sasabarisic8864 Год назад +52

      makes you wonder how much boost and torque you can run on the stock motor

    • @MushookieMan
      @MushookieMan Год назад +40

      They won't last long under those conditions though, because of fatigue failure

    • @MegaSockenschuss
      @MegaSockenschuss Год назад +37

      @@sasabarisic8864 There's a quite big scene in Hungary with Rallye Ladas, they run up to 180 HP and 200Nm with the 1.6 engine. Without boost, but ofc modified af.
      Havassy Motorsport and the Lada VFTS are worthy keywords into that rabbit hole. :D

    • @FuckGoogle502
      @FuckGoogle502 Год назад +12

      I'd be curious to have known the rod lengths before and after.

    • @Mackze
      @Mackze Год назад +10

      ​@@sasabarisic8864 A guy was running 20psi and the 1.6L with stock internals made 170hp 250nm at the wheels

  • @ja-bv3lq
    @ja-bv3lq Год назад +77

    Those pistons are works of art. The copper one is absolutely beautiful! - you guys should sell them. One of those would be a pretty bookend or pen holder on my desk.

    • @djaydeved
      @djaydeved Год назад +1

      ive seen people use pistons as shifter knobs, bit smaller, maybe closer to the size of a 250 piston, make that out of multi metals and that would be cool
      like a 3 piece design with faux rings
      a copper top, brass/bronze skirt and aluminum "rings"
      like, half way in the oil ring is where the material changes or somthing, also a wrist pin made of polished chrome would look nice too

    • @Itsjustpinchy
      @Itsjustpinchy 4 месяца назад +2

      I use pistons as door noobs.

  • @vortecmacs
    @vortecmacs Год назад +1041

    Man. That engine is wildly unbalanced. I’d love to see a full set of each material and run them.
    And let’s see it on a dyno!

    • @luckgrip252
      @luckgrip252 Год назад +64

      Oh yeah, it'd be more informative. Instead of each piston weighing more and more, make them weigh roughly the same, but trying out each material which would reveal the importance of piston weight

    • @RitaElaineHeltonBarker-uz4sz
      @RitaElaineHeltonBarker-uz4sz Год назад +29

      Where's the Titanium crankshaft which would definitely be necessary

    • @easydoz1
      @easydoz1 Год назад +68

      400 gram aluminum and the rest 1300-1500g was the major fault here. The counterweights on the crank have to work together. 😢

    • @engineprojects
      @engineprojects Год назад +1

      I was Just about to say the same

    • @zZWolfyZz
      @zZWolfyZz Год назад +12

      ​@@RitaElaineHeltonBarker-uz4sztitanium qould be useless it needs a tungsten crank of course it will rev like molasses but it would take the abuse and also be very easy to drive as all the rotating mass would be very hard to slow down once moving

  • @johnjelinek-g7b
    @johnjelinek-g7b Год назад +17

    I've seen you guys do a LOT of crazy stuff, but this was INSANE . LOL
    I just learned a lada IS the most indestructible engine known to man . The reciprocating weight is INSANE . I expected the rod bearings to pound as flat as paper and spin like a top . lol

  • @shaggy5777
    @shaggy5777 Год назад +367

    Since the brass piston seemed to hold up the best may I suggest trying to replace all 4 pistons with brass ones and see how well it runs.

    • @poached_egg_on_cars
      @poached_egg_on_cars Год назад +38

      brass pistons, brass rods, and brass crankshaft. See how many components can be machined in brass and if its an improvement in any way

    • @sayingnigromakesyoutubecry2647
      @sayingnigromakesyoutubecry2647 Год назад +17

      4 brass pistons are enough. With a bigger flywheel it should last forever... Xd

    • @makeitpay8241
      @makeitpay8241 Год назад +11

      @@poached_egg_on_cars can we also get a brass block?

    • @Nikolai_The_Crazed
      @Nikolai_The_Crazed Год назад +15

      Brass is a soft metal, so there’s probably going to be long term wear issues.

    • @makeitpay8241
      @makeitpay8241 Год назад +4

      yes, that is what i want to see, rapid wear and damage as the engine kills itself.@@Nikolai_The_Crazed

  • @jeanpaulcomeau8131
    @jeanpaulcomeau8131 5 месяцев назад +4

    Mechanical crazy ness at its pinnacle..
    That s what I love about your channel guys .
    Keep doing it .
    Greatings from Malaysia

  • @JHMBB2
    @JHMBB2 Год назад +399

    I know this doesn’t get brought up a lot, but I always love the music choices while they’re building. Never repeats and always fun

    • @jasonlogan5765
      @jasonlogan5765 Год назад +20

      Good to know I'm not the only one that gets up and dances like I'm in a club

    • @StephanBuchin
      @StephanBuchin Год назад +8

      I've been commenting on that several times. They should release some compilations.

    • @dondagy9109
      @dondagy9109 Год назад +3

      Its the free non licensed music you have to pick to not be demonitized. Alot of youtubers use the same free music.

    • @JHMBB2
      @JHMBB2 Год назад +5

      @@dondagy9109 I think that’s what’s impressive, I don’t think I’ve heard these on other channels. Not that I watch too many other channels. That and you don’t hear repeating tracks, at least not obvious repeating. Some channels you hear the same tracks video after video, not that it’s a bad thing, but G54 seems to make an effort to find new stuff to play, and it’s always good.

    • @DRNEGOLICIS
      @DRNEGOLICIS Год назад +1

      This is actually the first decent choice of music, most the time it’s horrid noise and I have to mute the audio

  • @powerbuilder0510
    @powerbuilder0510 Год назад +29

    this would be super fun to watch with a full set of each piston (steel, aluminum, copper, brass, bronze and heat treated to somewhat harden them so the wrist pins don't go oval shaped on the piston) in a diesel and petrol and see if you run them with lightened or no flywheel. eg. diesel engine with fat heavy pistons and a very light or no flywheel.

    • @TheBeeMan1994
      @TheBeeMan1994 Год назад +4

      Flywheels keep a constant rotation, they help smooth out the power pulses while pistons are forced to move up and down. With heavier pistons you would need a heavier flywheel to overcome the weight of the pistons, or else it would vibrate terribly bad and constantly want to die.

    • @DarkAttack14
      @DarkAttack14 Год назад +3

      I personlaly do not think that would work because a flywheel is meant to smooth out the shocks between power strokes, where as using heavy pistons will just increase those shocks. Removing the flywheel would probably make the shaking even worse!

  • @PapiDoesIt
    @PapiDoesIt Год назад +165

    Those pistons were too beautiful to install!

    • @Reman1975
      @Reman1975 Год назад +16

      If they wouldn't cost an absolute fortune to post, I'd say they should mount them on wooden plinths (Still attached to con rods) and auction them off for charity. I'm sure some well to do fan of the channel would drop some silly money to have one as an ornament in their office.

  • @rocketsurgeon11
    @rocketsurgeon11 Год назад +14

    I want to see the rod and main bearings. It's impressive that it didn't break a rod or a rod bolt. That is impressive for sure! I am convinced that if a good flowing head was put on a Lada engine you could rev the snot out of it and boost it to the moon. As long as you could keep a head gasket in it I bet it would make some pretty darn good power.

  • @i_woke_up_in_a_new_buggati
    @i_woke_up_in_a_new_buggati Год назад +534

    Next video: We make pistons out of uranium!

    • @s5studio891
      @s5studio891 Год назад +25

      Who’s ranium?

    • @MWB2Bleachfan
      @MWB2Bleachfan Год назад

      your's, now send it over @@s5studio891

    • @daewooparts
      @daewooparts Год назад +22

      or plutonium ☢️

    • @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
      @joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 Год назад +11

      Isn't that quite heavy? (And I presume expensive, IF you can get it.

    • @Motherduck-ld2
      @Motherduck-ld2 Год назад +20

      @@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 i think it was supposed to be a joke

  • @obiwanceleri
    @obiwanceleri Год назад +9

    The original engineers were assuming each piston would weigh the same. Different weights led to unstable operation. As many have said here, putting in 4 brass pistons, 4 copper pistons and 4 bronze pistons would help your cause.

    • @rickpaulos
      @rickpaulos 5 месяцев назад

      I'd say not. The pistons are counter balanced by the shapes on the crank shaft in simple engines or by secondary counterbalance shafts in more sophisticated engines.

    • @jaykoerner
      @jaykoerner 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@rickpaulosdepends on the configuration, but if secondary counter shafts are used they are almost always to deal with secondary balance issues not primary so to deal with uneven piston weights it is solely a crank counter weight issue

  • @alum1n1umkn1ght3
    @alum1n1umkn1ght3 Год назад +18

    You guy's are something else. I'll have to make a visit to your place when I'm in Russia.

  • @JAMIN.IT.DEEP.
    @JAMIN.IT.DEEP. Месяц назад +1

    This channel is great for everyone with a mechanical mind . Thanks

  • @nigelterry9299
    @nigelterry9299 Год назад +20

    Amazes me how tough Ladas are, given their rust reputation.

  • @adriendecroy7254
    @adriendecroy7254 Год назад +6

    Tungsten piston next. I'm impressed the rods and cranks held it together that long. They need to show the crank, big end bearings and crank journals.

    • @johnsnow1355
      @johnsnow1355 Год назад +1

      Yeah I wanted to see how hammered the bearings were

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad 4 месяца назад +1

      Tungsten probably just shatters. It's hard, but not very strong in general. It might be more interesting to see different less common alloys, like Al-Cu or manganese bronze.

  • @SerPurple51
    @SerPurple51 Год назад +46

    Vlad's face when it started up 😂
    These guys never fail to entertain!

  • @christianmeeks4430
    @christianmeeks4430 Год назад +89

    I am really amazed that the rod bolts held up. I was really expecting something ro let go the entire time.

    • @irgant
      @irgant Год назад +6

      The connecting rod from the fret engine withstands 150,000 Nm to break

  • @spankyham9607
    @spankyham9607 Год назад +24

    Take what you think was best material, machine 3 more, equal their weight and balance the rotating assembly. Then let's see how it runs.

  • @alistairshanks5099
    @alistairshanks5099 4 месяца назад +1

    Bronze pistons were tried in very early engines but were damaged by combustion and ring wear. Before Aluminium cast iron was the norm.

  • @onestopfabshop3224
    @onestopfabshop3224 Год назад +30

    You guys did a nice job machining them. Nice looking peices. They'd look good on your desk for a pencil holder when you're done with them!

    • @granderondeproductions3286
      @granderondeproductions3286 Год назад +2

      Bro/girl I thought the same thing! lol they look NICE. I dig the copper one.

    • @martyzielinski1442
      @martyzielinski1442 Год назад

      THAT is your idea of nice machining? Are you serious? Look at the pin chamfers.....the edge of the skirts. Looks like someone did that with an angle grinder. And not carefully at that. Garbage work. Garbage idea.

  • @jonesgang
    @jonesgang Год назад +8

    That is one tough little motor. You guys never cease to amaze!

  • @thewilliamss2392
    @thewilliamss2392 Год назад +40

    I think the next one should be how long will lightened pistons last i.e cutting out bits of the pistons and rods

    • @Reman1975
      @Reman1975 Год назад +3

      Interesting idea. I'm sure stock pistons could probably cope with at least a few largish holes drilled through their skirts.

    • @thewilliamss2392
      @thewilliamss2392 Год назад +1

      @@Reman1975 I was also thinking of drilling holes in the rod's as well

    • @FuckGoogle502
      @FuckGoogle502 Год назад +1

      @@Reman1975 Seems to me like that would just cause a lot of drag as the oil getting scraped from the cylinder walls causes a pressure differential through the holes. Plus, pistons do rock a slight bit as the engine runs. Shortening the skirts a bit at a time would probably work better.

    • @thedarkknight1971
      @thedarkknight1971 Год назад +1

      Or even better, stock Lada motor but with ALL lightened internals, pistons, rods, flywheel and more... How much more "POWAAARRR!" Hahaha 😉👍🤣🤣🤣
      😎🇬🇧

  • @murmaider2
    @murmaider2 Год назад +14

    Garage 54 videos are a testament to how well engineered Lada engines are. These guys put these engines through some really ridiculous experiments that I feel like most engines wouldn't survive.

    • @XtreeM_FaiL
      @XtreeM_FaiL Год назад +3

      Lada is poorly made Fiat. No engineering needed or used.

    • @joro407
      @joro407 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@XtreeM_FaiL Except is a better version of a Fiat.

  • @SCComega
    @SCComega Год назад +69

    So, how would it do with all brass pistons? How long could you get one to run for?

    • @kinsmart7294
      @kinsmart7294 Год назад +9

      It would probably last longer but you still have the problem with it work hardening. Brass or copper doesn't have the "springiness" that iron and steel have, so they harden in the stress points so much that the metal becomes brittle and cracks

    • @michaellegg9381
      @michaellegg9381 Год назад +3

      ​@@kinsmart7294it becomes porous and soft after getting hot.. alloy heads and cast heads are known for it after overheating the engine.. you can test it buy using a ball bearing and a tube to hold the ball and if the heads strong it will bounce and if it's gone soft it won't bounce it's the fastest way to see it the heads porous or not.

    • @granderondeproductions3286
      @granderondeproductions3286 Год назад

      @@kinsmart7294 I've heard the same with Magnesium metal.

  • @JimWisniewski2005
    @JimWisniewski2005 Год назад +24

    you could make a whole engine out of brass (something like the acrylic one but with metall) and see how it behaves and how much it weights

    • @Eluderatnight
      @Eluderatnight Год назад +4

      I bet a brass engine would sound amazing.

    • @martin-vv9lf
      @martin-vv9lf Год назад +2

      That would be a lot of work and expense. I wonder if they poured babbit bearings in an old engine block that spun a main bearing, then line bored it would it still run.

    • @Eluderatnight
      @Eluderatnight Год назад +1

      @@martin-vv9lf to do babbit mains you put in a precision ground undersized rods across all the mains and then pour. Next blue mains and fit crank. Scrape until 40+ points per inch.

  • @Impending_Doom
    @Impending_Doom 4 месяца назад +1

    Fun fact: bronze can be hardened by striking it with a hammer or a hydraulic press, no tempering required

  • @DodgeCharger900
    @DodgeCharger900 Год назад +18

    These Lada engines seem to be some of the most dureable ones in the world.👍

    • @caoimhin27
      @caoimhin27 Год назад +2

      no😭

    • @biohazard8295
      @biohazard8295 11 месяцев назад +1

      I think Lada uses peugeout engines, built under license

    • @TF2Scout..
      @TF2Scout.. 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@biohazard8295 most ladas are from Soviet era so no Peugeot engines there

  • @djcybercorgi
    @djcybercorgi Год назад +6

    WHAT A COOL VIDEO!!! Man, I want to see more different materials used in a motor... this is awesome!

  • @SovereignKnight74
    @SovereignKnight74 Год назад +15

    I love this channel! They do all sorts of interesting things! Even wacky ones!

  • @ricka.a.
    @ricka.a. Год назад +13

    Excelent experiment. I think a copper piston might be a good choice for old stationary engines once the crankshaft is balanced to match. The old engines that have a maximum of 400 to 500 rpm.

  • @6Twisted
    @6Twisted Год назад +16

    You guys should do these kind of tests on a single cylinder motorcycle engine. Much easier to work on and you don't need to deal with 4 combustion chambers.

    • @AwakenedR6
      @AwakenedR6 Год назад +8

      for a model it may be interesting, but these guys use the lada as a baseline to compare performance. a motorcycle probably wouldn't experience as high cylinder pressures and loads as a conventional 4 cyl engine.

    • @bshinn4884
      @bshinn4884 Год назад +2

      ​​@@AwakenedR6They could get a high compression V twin. Most motorcycle engines run higher compression as they lose heat quicker than a car engine due to size

    • @hitekredneck109
      @hitekredneck109 Год назад +1

      ​@@AwakenedR6lol......put these pistons in a dnepr engine and I'll be things would get really fun really quick!!!

  • @Ang3lUki
    @Ang3lUki Год назад +13

    Really hope the war doesn't negatively impact these guys, I love their content.

    • @Zoey_KL
      @Zoey_KL 2 месяца назад

      Keep politics out of content creation

  • @GHOOGLEMALE
    @GHOOGLEMALE Год назад +5

    Incredible strength in those old Lada engines

  • @omnificent9946
    @omnificent9946 Год назад +1

    I was surprised that little Lada didn't jump around like an American lowrider!😂

  • @quartzcyanis
    @quartzcyanis Год назад +31

    Copper pistons are common in some steam engines due to their low weight and resistance to moisture

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 Год назад +16

      low weight? I could see how high heat conductivity would be useful though

    • @quartzcyanis
      @quartzcyanis Год назад +15

      @@lasskinn474 low weight compared to rough cast iron of the time

    • @SocketSlinger
      @SocketSlinger Год назад +3

      And older air-compressors used brass sometimes..

    • @ЕвгенийПрижогин
      @ЕвгенийПрижогин Год назад +11

      ​@@quartzcyaniscast iron has way less density than copper 😂

    • @quartzcyanis
      @quartzcyanis Год назад +2

      @@SocketSlinger yup, not plastic like nowadays

  • @ryanrohauer5940
    @ryanrohauer5940 Месяц назад

    im blown away that little thing held together for all that revving them lil ladas man

  • @tjwalker997
    @tjwalker997 Год назад +3

    I love how you guys go above and beyond with Theas videos. Ide love to see 3 different Lada engines with all copper/bras and bronze pistons and have them all roughly the same weight just to see how they would compare instead of having 4 different pistons in the same engine. And maybe try to have a hardened piston wrist pin hole to stop them from ovaling out the holes.
    (like a piston sleeve but for the wrist pin).
    Either way keep up the wired and wonderful vids 👌

  • @mrmatt2525able
    @mrmatt2525able Год назад +2

    Nice to see you guys having some genuine laughter when funny stuff happens

  • @scorpion-in2xj
    @scorpion-in2xj Год назад +9

    I wonder if the crankshaft bearing where ok or had been hammered around its to bad we didn't get a chance to see them 😊

  • @oscaranderson1822
    @oscaranderson1822 Год назад +1

    Thank you for all the wonderful videos. It's so neat to see total experiments going on.

  • @CONCEPTUALMAN
    @CONCEPTUALMAN Год назад +4

    I wonder if increasing the crankshaft counterweights would help with the rough run. 4 pistons of each metal would be cool too.!

  • @punisher3607
    @punisher3607 Год назад +10

    Make lead pistons 😂

    • @elinoreberkley1643
      @elinoreberkley1643 4 месяца назад

      no no not lead. That is deadly. Gold? J/K

    • @evann1136
      @evann1136 4 месяца назад

      @@elinoreberkley1643lead isn’t that harmful.

  • @Mar1241-b7t
    @Mar1241-b7t 11 месяцев назад

    As an Appalachian and West Virginian, I got extremely excited at the end when he picked up the copper piston and said “this sum bitch heavy”
    I heard my ancestors in that statement

  • @thatguybrody4819
    @thatguybrody4819 Год назад +3

    i'm curious to see all brass piston heads. full bronze and copper are also on my mind but i want to see if the brass work hardens and lasts longer while giving the engine a little bit more power.

  • @foxpopuli6982
    @foxpopuli6982 Год назад

    This is an excellent example of what happens when an engine is unbalanced/imbalanced
    You have my utmost respect for testing this idea!

  • @michaelgoodman6734
    @michaelgoodman6734 Год назад +4

    I would love to see how it would do with all 4 copper. And leave them sized correctly.

  • @AngelaWest-if5ko
    @AngelaWest-if5ko 2 месяца назад

    Ya gotta admit that Garage 54 never runs out of ideas. Never even thought about this one because heavier material is never good in a engine.

  • @JonMadHatter
    @JonMadHatter Год назад +9

    Copper piston is interesting . Perphaps adding a copper layer to each piston top to promote better heat management preventing detonation .

    • @oshkiv4684
      @oshkiv4684 Год назад +1

      Aluminum already has a good heat transfer rate, I wouldn't think copper would do very much to help that

    • @Athiril
      @Athiril Год назад

      A coating to do the opposite helps, ceramic or other coatings etc

    • @j5892000
      @j5892000 Год назад +1

      No. That's a bad idea

  • @bobirving6052
    @bobirving6052 Год назад +2

    Good post-analysis.
    Primary, piston slap.
    Secondary, wrist-pin knock.
    Lada engine built strong! 👍

  • @joshuagibson2520
    @joshuagibson2520 Год назад +5

    This was silly. Why wouldn't you do 4 copper pistons? The balnce had to be atrocious with one of each different type of metal.

  • @reapermansoldholdensixmech8675
    @reapermansoldholdensixmech8675 9 месяцев назад

    Love the ingenuity of these blokes, no matter how nuts their ideas seem. Thanks for making these vids.

  • @gordonagent7037
    @gordonagent7037 4 месяца назад

    New subscriber from Australia, I’m not sure how I found your channel but pleased so pleased I did, this should be a great learning tool for first year mechanics I think as they ask interesting questions and your channel certainly covers a wide range of answers. I love the scope and also it’s always interesting to see how other people from other countries approach things. I look forward to going back through your library of videos and catching up. Also, thankyou for the excellent voice over of your commentary. Many thanks and congratulations on a really interesting channel

  • @deanjohnston4806
    @deanjohnston4806 Год назад +7

    You should melt all four into a new alloy and make four new pistons then try those.

    • @jakubkrcma
      @jakubkrcma Год назад

      🤣👍

    • @oshkiv4684
      @oshkiv4684 Год назад +1

      You'd pretty much just get a very poor aluminum bronze. With a ratio of 3:1 you'd start seeing some brittleness to them

  • @toktomikanikal
    @toktomikanikal Год назад

    ❤❤Thank you very much. This topic has been on my mind for a while, and with the clarification that you made, I will add to it that if the cylinder was moved in proportion to the offset, the defects that I mentioned would disappear. It is better than the counterweight.

  • @Yousitech
    @Yousitech Год назад +4

    Prediction. It’ll run.

    • @marsrover001
      @marsrover001 Год назад +1

      It's garage 54, it always runs. How well is the actual question.

  • @vtecro1826
    @vtecro1826 Год назад

    Jim Sim...this is a good add for Lada s I would never have believed this engine could stand the off balance and weight differences between cylinders and crank balance differences between all top and bottom piston balance...

  • @themausindahaus814
    @themausindahaus814 Год назад +8

    Glass Pistons?

    • @TF2Scout..
      @TF2Scout.. 5 месяцев назад

      I don't think glass pistons would survive the Russian roads even if they worked

  • @yoppindia
    @yoppindia Год назад

    I would like to see copper coated brass piston. I know copper coating on brass is not easy, but it will give best characteristics of both.

  • @toktomikanikal
    @toktomikanikal Год назад +1

    The length of the journey and the speed of fall are supposed to be taken into account in the fuel equation and the electric spark ‏‪2:47‬‏

  • @WarblesOnALot
    @WarblesOnALot Год назад

    G'day,
    My father started work in 1923, in his father's Blacksmith's Shop.
    In 1948 he bought an
    Offset-Chuck Crankshaft-Grinder,
    Having become an
    Engine Reconditioner.
    In the 1960s I watched him cast a set of new Pistons for a
    Fordson Tractor, when no New Spares were available.
    He used to keep a wooden box a metre square & half a metre deep, full of old discarded Pistons - as a source of Aluminium for the remelting.
    Because there's more metal in the
    Skirt than the
    Gudgeon-Pin Supports,
    And because the extra metal means
    Extra
    Expansion as the metal heats up,
    Dad had a setup to
    Cam-
    Grind the Pistons, into
    Eliptical Section - removing metal from the Thicker sections of the
    Skirts.
    Then, instead of
    Expanding out of
    Round &
    Siezing up,
    The Eliptical Pistons
    Expanded to
    Become
    Circular, and thus could cope with
    Australian conditions.
    Cossack Motorcycles imported into Sydney used to need to have their Pistons pulled and Cam-Ground to render the Bikes useable in Australia.
    Otherwise they used to seize up after about 10 miles riding.
    Why is it that
    Russians
    Dunno
    About
    Cam-Grinding
    Pistons ?
    One
    Wonders.
    Such is life,
    Have a good one...
    Stay safe.
    ;-p
    Ciao !

  • @jakubkrcma
    @jakubkrcma Год назад +2

    Seriously, the piston rod not being bent at full throttle by a piston that weighs 1.489 kg, that is MEGA impressive! The sum of the piston weights was 4.640 kg. That is about 3 times the weight of the OEM pistons! The aluminium/aluminum pistons would be "just" 1.864 kg. The standard OEM pistons are even lighter. With SUCH imbalance between individual pistons, it is an absolute miracle the engine kept working and working and working. I definitely expected a catastrophic failure VERY early.

    • @YuckFoutube-e1z
      @YuckFoutube-e1z 5 месяцев назад

      The rods would experience less compression with heavier pistons. They would experience more tension as the piston is slowed at the top.
      This means the rods would be harder to bend with heavier pistons and easier to snap in half on the inlet stroke.

    • @jakubkrcma
      @jakubkrcma 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@YuckFoutube-e1z Yes, the rods would experience less compression after TDC on the power stroke (because the same force accelerates a heavier piston less) but more compression around BDC on the power and intake strokes. Of course the higher tension at the end of the exhaust stroke would be the most probable cause of rod failure with heavier pistons. Anyway, the strength of the connecting rods is incredible when they can handle such wild loads.

    • @YuckFoutube-e1z
      @YuckFoutube-e1z 5 месяцев назад

      @@jakubkrcma Ahh i get you. My thinking was flawed. Thankyou sir.

    • @jakubkrcma
      @jakubkrcma 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@YuckFoutube-e1z No, you were right - the rods would more likely snap off than bend. Although anything is possible with such a crazy setup. 😃

  • @pavelslama5543
    @pavelslama5543 6 месяцев назад

    Considering all the rust, I fully expected the shaking to snap the car in half like a Titanic...

  • @Moxzot
    @Moxzot 4 месяца назад

    Glad I'm not the only one thinking about the piston weights being different.

  • @NinJaHunTa
    @NinJaHunTa Год назад +2

    Only issue there was the inbalance from different mass and weight in each piston, would also be interesting to see the effects after 10,000 ks or more, not just a quick thrashing

  • @8bert9
    @8bert9 4 месяца назад

    Maybe try a titanium alloy. My father bought a titanium alloy 4x8 foot sheet and he never used it and it stayed in the woods for 30 years and he told me where to find it and it was under 6 inches of forest decomposition, it had pine trees that had literally grown into the sheet. It took me a chain saw and a few hours but I was able to free the sheet and it still looks brand new and the trees did not bend the sheet. It has been laying in the yard for 5 years after I freed it from 30 years in the forest and it still is as the day my dad bought it. Great experiment, great content.

  • @Subnortherner
    @Subnortherner 10 месяцев назад

    Interesting video! Glad you tried this.

  • @Zanelander
    @Zanelander Год назад +1

    my man picked up the copper piston and said "dis sum bich hevy" 😂😂

  • @Ba11leFieldAce
    @Ba11leFieldAce Год назад

    With the way that engine is vibrating, combined with the mass deltas between pistons , I wouldn't be at all surprised if the pistons ovaled out the cylinders.

  • @chrishartley1210
    @chrishartley1210 11 месяцев назад

    I would have run it with the heaviest pistons in the middle with the lightest (aluminium) next to the heaviest (copper) to try to give the crankshaft at least the closest change of overall balance.
    I know from past experience of a friend rallying in a VAZ-2106 that these Lada OHC engines are rock solid so I didn't expect any damage to the basic engine block or crankshaft.
    I'm not surprised that the aluminium piston took the most damage, the aluminium used in drink cans is generally 99.9% pure and really soft so that they can be pressed out easily. An alloy would have been much better, adding about 5% by weight of copper would have made it much more durable.

  • @destin-diesel.9495
    @destin-diesel.9495 Год назад

    Can you all try a full set of brass pistons? And machine the wrist pin in a little for a snap-ring. And can the piston be dished in for a little less compression. If they prove durable enough might be fun to toss on a turbocharger!

  • @mr.thebandit.2370
    @mr.thebandit.2370 Год назад +1

    make a bronze set of 4 a get a crank and rods ( because of piston bobweight ) made put stainless steel sleeves in the block ( bronze slides on stainless steel like ice on glass. ) and it should be a torque monster with all that rotating mass.

  • @portedbikes
    @portedbikes 8 месяцев назад

    Running with 4 different material does not say anything about each material, the unbalance is ridiculous, also making pistons with no holes for the oil rings is just criminal. Still love the dedication do.

  • @edwardevans7219
    @edwardevans7219 Год назад

    Here is an idea, take 2 engines, put them piston head to piston head, make channels for exhaust and intake, chain the two crank shafts together with a timing chain. Make this engine an opposable 2 stroke engine, Lada style. Good luck.

  • @otool
    @otool Год назад +1

    I’d love a tour of the community they are in and some insight to life there.

  • @JeffKopis
    @JeffKopis 9 месяцев назад

    Vlad, bronze is not harder than brass. Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin, which is very soft. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc, which is somewhat harder

  • @trevor02150
    @trevor02150 17 дней назад

    Top notch machine work making those pistons.👍👍👍.

  • @lennartswenson2690
    @lennartswenson2690 10 месяцев назад +2

    Garage 54, where are you?... Only old timers will get that homage in comedy...

    • @imsayingthisinmybrainbeacu6049
      @imsayingthisinmybrainbeacu6049 6 месяцев назад

      I've heard it from Australians here an im welmd with humour about 3 minutes of smiles from reading this comment 😄

  • @Tokey_The_Bear
    @Tokey_The_Bear 10 месяцев назад

    Look at the rod thickness and bore spacing. That motor could make SERIOUS power on stock internals if it had a good head, cam and boost.

  • @neilbrown3359
    @neilbrown3359 5 месяцев назад

    This is the best automotive channel!!!

  • @herrkulor3771
    @herrkulor3771 Год назад

    Hello @garage 54,
    Now copper plate some original Lada pistons.
    For comparison also try Nickel plating original pistons.
    If you would be the Tsar of Russia, you should also consider gold and silver plated Pistons.
    Let's go!

  • @klyddmeisters5026
    @klyddmeisters5026 4 месяца назад

    An engine with 4 copper pistons and a huge heavy flywheel would be interesting. A low idle engine

  • @mr.notsure9679
    @mr.notsure9679 9 месяцев назад

    I would very much enjoy hanging out with these guys. Amazing this worked.

  • @OwhyeeVdub
    @OwhyeeVdub Месяц назад

    This dude does some wild stuff. Awesome!

  • @mondude9754
    @mondude9754 Год назад

    Now make the most noisy enegine possible.bore out the rods( to make them fit loose), machine loose fitting pistons (or just reuse the ones from this video) and maybe even set the valve lash high. It would probably put out some interesting sounds

  • @maccmedina1366
    @maccmedina1366 Год назад

    Interesting Mix of materials for piston

  • @zAvAvAz
    @zAvAvAz Год назад +1

    You are absolutely omazing. i am, love your channel. Bless you for this. Make copper brass bronze ceramic silicon ALUMINUM alloy. Then you have the best pistons in the world.

  • @garycarpenter2932
    @garycarpenter2932 Год назад

    his takes 'balanced' and blueprinted to a whole new level.

  • @jimsworthow531
    @jimsworthow531 Год назад +1

    Great experiment; never seen before; thanks for making such an interesting project.

  • @dicksandballsnshit3856
    @dicksandballsnshit3856 Год назад +2

    This is what I like about this channel - it's not just mindless destruction, you've created some beautiful pistons there.

  • @InsideOfMyOwnMind
    @InsideOfMyOwnMind Год назад

    Very impressive making pistons like that, and they all held up better than expected for homemade pistons.

  • @oscaranderson1822
    @oscaranderson1822 Год назад +2

    Very interesting results. I was really amazed it took full throttle as long as it did! That was a really cool experiment good job manufacturing your own Pistons. And no we know.❤

  • @stacyp4534
    @stacyp4534 Год назад +1

    Man those are very pretty if nothing else!

  • @jckrieger
    @jckrieger Год назад +1

    If you do future experiments, try machining the piston with the correct dimensions for the temperatures on the piston. The area above the top ring should be a smaller diameter than the area below the top ring and so-on. You can see on most of those pistons how the top land was really scuffed, but further down everything looked OK. In addition, the piston shouldn't be round, but that's a topic for another day.

    • @DaisyKarensunflower
      @DaisyKarensunflower Год назад

      It fact it not Ballance property. I would put that aluminum in center it uneven.

  • @leenn5083
    @leenn5083 Год назад

    copper is actually one of the alloy that is mixed with Mg and Ni in forging pistons and also makes pistons withstands heat because of its conductive properties

  • @michaellegg9381
    @michaellegg9381 Год назад +1

    Now make 4x brass pistons and machine them to be all the same waight.. even if they are 1.2kg each then make a flywheel that's 4.8kg heavier than normal to compensate for the extra rotating mass.. I want to see if the crank and block can handle the extra mass especially at 4000rpm as the matched flywheel should let it rev up better.. copper is to soft so it will be expensive because it going to have to be all brass..

  • @VinnyMartello
    @VinnyMartello Год назад

    This provides evidence that adding copper to a piston might be good for heat control. Not like an alloy but more like an All-Clad cooking pan.

  • @willart1735
    @willart1735 5 месяцев назад

    Power and engine on baking soda and vinegar!!!
    Another idea,
    Use springs as brakes so when you press on the brakes you engage the springs and it slows down the wheel.

  • @BlackPill-pu4vi
    @BlackPill-pu4vi Год назад

    Still waiting for the Flying Lada. One with wings and empennage.
    It will take somebody driving and the passenger handling the flight controls. At least get it into taxi testing phase where it can go fast enough to push down the tail, lift up the front, and check responsiveness of the rudder and ailerons. Then run at high speed to a ramp where we can see how far it will glide.
    If it is stable and controllable enough to glide for a distance.... THEN put an engine and propeller on somewhere (keep it balanced correctly) and see how far it will fly.

  • @1NIGHTMAREGAMER
    @1NIGHTMAREGAMER Год назад +1

    pour a 50% copper 50% aluminum into a mold stir it with a graphite rod then make piston out of it