How Many Days to the Sea? SNEAK PEEK Red Sea Miracle Bonus Content

[@lamont814]

Bear in mind God said "I Bore You On Eagles Wings And Brought You To Myself". The wear and tear on their bodies moving across the desert at such a fast pace would have been substantial. When I was an Army soldier back in the 80's I went on several forced marches over 10 miles. One was over 15 miles in desert-like heat. A 10 mile march is rough on the body even if you're in good shape. Some have the Israelites traveling up to 18 miles per day. They traversed a pretty good distance in a relatively short period of time according to my understanding. Don't forget there were women and children with them on this journey. God bearing them on eagles wings meant they were helped along the way by His supernatural providence. Being on eagles wings meant some of the load was lifted off their shoulders allowing them to go farther faster. That's my take on it.

[@gregjillson9351]

Greetings! Just want to say I appreciate your take on this text and especially your personal application, no less from a military exercise point of view. Personally I have not read enough on it. But even though all the details and info and documentation are interesting, sometimes we "forget" about God being all-powerful and supernatural. Yes, amen! He helped them and carried them on eagle's wings. Maybe by angels and maybe by His Spirit! And giving all of them supernatural, physical strength, along with women and children! Our God is the awesome God! And their sandals did not wear out. (Pardon long response.)

[@lamont814]

@@gregjillson9351 Thanks for the positive response. A long time ago I learned about the providence of God. It can all be summed up in John 15:5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing". Their sandals not wearing out was certainly a providential and supernatural act of God. Blessings to you. 😇😇😇

[@claytondc508]

I had the same thoughts.

[@rogerc4748]

Mm😊😊

[@TravisMcKnight-lk7gg]

Agreed 👍 💯%

[@Silverheart1956]

Yeah, Tim has created this idea of the "Egyptian approach vs Hebrew approach".
I kind of strongly lean towards the "Biblical Approach". Tim doesn't go into that one much.
According to the Scriptures, after the Hebrews Crossed the "Red Sea", they entered the northern portion of the Sinai Peninsula. Most people don't appear to have studied the Scripture enough to be aware of this. DZ

[@vian-ij4sv]

Tim, you have helped to answer so many questions. And everything is so fascinating and thought provoking. Don't stop searching.
Remember a month is 28/29 days, not 30.

[@BibleTales123]

We love the story of The Red Sea 🧸✨️🌈🌠

[@Bimfirestarter]

After crossing the Sea, there was no longer any urgency, as the Egyptian threat had been removed. They were no longer 'fleeing', and they could move at a slower pace

[@carriestout6422]

It is also true that Moses received the Law fifty days after the Passover. This is the Hebrew tradition, and God required all of the people to celebrate Pentecost as one of the three major Jewish holidays required by the people. This means that this feast was important to God. I do believe it did have something to do with Moses receiving the Law. It would make sense.

[@-kepha8828]

Jubilees and Jasher give us exact accounts of when this happened.
The Book of Jubilees tells us when they crossed:
…and the festival of unleavened bread, that they should eat unleavened bread seven days, and that they should observe its festival, and that they bring an oblation every day during those seven days of joy before YHUH on the altar of YHUH your ALMIGHTY. For you celebrated this festival with haste when you went forth from Egypt till you entered into the wilderness of Shur; for on the shore of the sea you completed it. (49:22-23)
So they completed the feast on the shore before they crossed the Sea. I believe that when Miriam led Israel in song and dance with tambourines on the morning of Abib 23

[@Michael-pn5lp]

And Jasher ?

[@user-mx1ft7lr9k]

Is the significance of the feast of unleavened bread figure into any of these calculations? I don't see it. The feast lasted from the 16th for seven days until the 23rd. Were they still fleeing the Egyptians after the 23rd? If so, why were they not still eating unleavened bread?
As for the 50th day being the giving of the law. We must not forget that the law was not given to the Israelites until after 80 days at Mt Sinai. The first 40 days (at least) were spent by Moses receiving the law at the top of the Mountain. When he came down from the mountain, he found them worshiping a golden calf. Moses then broke these tablets of the law, disciplined his people, and then returned to the mountain for another 40 days receiving another set of tablets of the law.
So maybe the 50 days of Pentecost was when they arrived at Mt. Sinai?
Furthermore, as to how fast they were able to travel, In Egypt they were mixing straw and mud to make bricks, how was this done? probably by stomping the straw into the mud. If you walk through mud all day, every day of your life for years, it would seem to me that their legs were probably fully developed. They should be able to walk quite a distance in the dry desert.

[@501Mobius]

Did Jodell Onstott actually read Exodus and Numbers? She seems to think there was one yam suf crossing and that was at Num. 33:10. She claimed it was 23 days until they came to yam suf. But there were two yam suf encounters. One was near the 30 day mark between Elim and the desert of Sin but the first was between Pi-hahiroth and Marah. Hoffmeier and Rohl are discussing the first one at Num. 33:8.

[@kylestephens4133]

Good observation. I got the distinct impression that Tim was trying to subtly lessen the esteem for Rohl that he has gained in the last 3 decades. Rohl addressed all these matters in book "Exodus"

[@lorilemmonsharvey3633]

Dr. Woods says a group of people comprised of women, children, elderly and sick, can only travel so far in a day. Yet would it be a stretch to say what people back then could travel in a day is far beyond what a group of people could do today? They were much more fit, stronger and capable than we are because they had to be in order to survive!

[@Bimfirestarter]

I find it amazing 2 see epic portrayals of these Biblical events, and as many as my disagreements are with the Patterns films on the Red Sea crossing location and Mt Sinai, I still enjoy seeing the discussions and geography; it helps put the picture in mind so as to explain things better.
But yeah, I feel like the video here is of the filmaker tying into pretzels to fit the Biblical events to his preferred location, all the while EVERYBODY'S ignoring the northern tip of the Gulf if Suez as a crossing location, tantalizingly.
We have Dophkah identified by Egyptian inscriptions as Serâbit El-Khādim in the Sinai. That alone tells us the Sea Crossing happened on the West side of the Sinai Peninsula.
This point about "Eagle's wings"? That means with Exaltation, borne aloft in safety, so to speak. It doesn't at all have any consequence as to their speed. Again, it feels like trying to fit the Bible to suit a preferred location.

[@TomPansen]

please aktivat the Translator Funktion. THX :)

[@riverstyx9618]

If people would just read the text and think about it, they'd realize that the crossing was neither exactly three days out of Egypt nor much more than three days. Three days into the Wilderness is what Pharaoh had permitted. That is a logical distance to go to reach the edge of the wilderness. They probably did just as Moses had said and spent a day worshiping in the desert. (a Sabbath?) Then they turned "back" (west?). Then Pharaoh determined they were wandering and trapped by the wilderness and sent his chariots to catch them. Pharaoh would not have waited a week or more to chase after them. As soon as they were not coming back to Egypt after three days, he would have been upset. With his chariots, it would not have taken more than a week to catch up with them. The turning "back" was a ruse to get Pharaoh to think they were wandering aimlessly and trapped, as God knew he would. So, from the edge of Etham, they turned "back" and reached the position from which the Red Sea crossing would begin. Pharaoh did catch up with them, but Israel escaped the "trap" through the Red Sea. With the drowning of Pharaoh's army, the danger and the need for too much speed to allow leaven to raise the dough of their bread was over. A Red Sea crossing on the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread explains the length of that observance. The best conclusion is that they crossed the Red Sea on the seventh day of the journey. Note, too, where they came to after crossing the Red Sea. The Desert of Etham (Numbers 33). They were at Etham both before and after the Red Sea crossing. The most likely location was the northern tip of the Gulf of Suez. Even the underwater topography there fits. [By the way, claiming the crossing had to have been some other body of water than what we call the Red Sea today simply because translates to "Sea of Reeds" ignores the fact that the Bible uses the phrase many times. It even uses it twice in the Egypt to Mt. Sinai leg of the journey - once at the crossing and once after the camp at Elim. To claim that the Bible used the phrase to refer to multiple different bodies of water, when the context doesn't clearly so indicate, violates the principles of exegesis. The Red Sea had to have been large enough for them to cross it before three days of travel in the Desert of Etham to get to Marah, another period of time to get to Elim, and however far they traveled after Elim to get to the Red Sea camp. The Red Sea crossing was not through a small lake next to Egypt; nor was it the Gulf of Aqaba at Nuweiba; nor was it the Gulf of Aqaba at the Strait of Tiran.]

[@Silverheart1956]

If that were true then they could not have entered the Wilderness of Shur after they crossed the Sea.!

[@kilcar]

Take into account the strength of an average adult individual, and then ambulatory children, and the old. 10-12 miles a day Maximum . If they had many animals to ride, they must rest those animals, and find water, ( very scarce) even day and night, which logically can't happen, as you need rest. Then errors in navigation, even with the day/ night pillar that guided them. Ive walked in forest and wilderness in north America and with a 35 pound pack, the maximum i was able to achieve was 19 miles in a day, in top physical condition, half of that with 2500 ft elevation gain and loss. More to ponder.

[@RonKris]

While listening to these experts I had the thought about how many Israelites there were. Some suggest 1.5 million or more and some around 600,000. If all were walking at a normal pace it seems when the first of the Israelites arrived at the camp, the last in the group might not come until the morning. Therefore, the entire march would be an accordion type of march. The first of the group arrived, making camp, sleeping then waking and marching again, while the last in the group slept, waking and marching to catch up. Am I missing something?
I've watched large groups walk and there are always slower walkers at the rear and the faster in the lead. They come to a point where the lead walkers stop, take a break, and then head out as the slower walkers just arrive. Trying to keep them on the same schedule is impossible. Imagine how the Israelis would have looked marching with 600,000 or more.
I guess when the word came to camp the last in the group would just stop where they were and camp there, and no need to make a large group to camp or camp as one large group considering even at the low number of Israelites it would be a large city.

[@AndthenthereisCencorship-xc6yi]

You know, 4000 years can change a region and a country. I doubt is trails and paths and lakes and swamps and seas, looked exactly like they do today. I highly doubt it! It's like saying I can find Noah's Ark on Ararat in spite of the fact that Ararat is a very large region and the mountain is a solitary place and nobody has been able to find it on that solitary mountain. So much for certainty.

[@Bimfirestarter]

Stage by stage by the command of Yahweh; the original Hebrew text doesn't use the Hebrew word for Lord in that case or most others.
Anyway, What I find very telling is that Moses never states that he took the Israelites through the land of Midian, but the Bible does tell us that Jethro's land wasn't where Mt Sinai was

[@riverstyx9618]

Exactly. Mt. Sinai was not close to where Jethro lived in Midian. It was along the most logical route between Egypt and Jethro and was about two-thirds to three-fourths of the distance from Egypt to Jethro's home. Moses left Mt. Sinai to go to Jethro. At almost the same time Aaron left Egypt to come to Moses. Moses reached Jethro and then left to go to Egypt and met Aaron at Mt. Sinai.

[@Silverheart1956]

@@riverstyx9618
Oh I do think Mt Sinai was close to Jerthro's land - Midian, ... But Mt. Sinai was not in Midian.

[@larrybedouin2921]

Etham was "not out of Egypt"

[@normanorr3072]

there is one aspect of the time of the exodus that you did not touch on
when they came to the wilderness of sin on the 15th day of the second month .... there was grumblings .....
and that night they were given quail ... and the followiing morning they received manna
this means that the day they first received the manna .... being the day after the arrival on the 15th .....
would be the first day of the 7 day sabbatical week ..... being on the 16th
projecting back to the start of the year .... the first day of the first month would therrefore be on the 5th day of the 7 day week
the 14th day of the first month would be on the 4th day of the 7 day sabatical week
they would be leaving egypt on the 15th day ... which would be on the 5th day of the 7 day week
if they journeyed 3 days ..... then they would have arrived at the red sea on the 17th .... which would be on the 7th day
and they would have crossed through the dead sea on the 18th day .... which would be on the 1st day
this then is aligned with the death burial and resurrection of messiah .... including the sign of jonah
messiah died on the 14th .... was 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth ... and resurrected on the 1st day
this also links the passover of the 14th with the death of the first born .....
and the crossing of the red sea on the 1st day .... would align with the wave sheaf offering

[@501Mobius]

"the 14th day of the first month would be on the 4th day of the 7 day sabatical week" How do you know this? Why isn't the first day of the year the first day of the sabatical week?

[@normanorr3072]

@@501Mobius it is simple enough to track backwards from the 16th day of the second month ..... the day that the manna was first given ..... making it the first day of the 7 day sabbatical week
track back and you will find that the firsst day of the first month in the year of the exodus would be on the fifth day of the 7 day sabbaitcal week

[@fredgillespie5855]

Actually Messiah was resurrected and the end of the 7th day Sabbath - 3 days and 3 nights after he was put in the tomb.

[@TheYizuman]

Bummer!! No captions!!!

[@kylestephens4133]

Once the Egyptian army was destroyed there was no need to rush. It reads like a they used a very modest, even slow pace. Poor Tim has had this fixation with Jebel el Lawz for so long, it is the only satisfactory location for Sinai. Yet, the ruins he is fixated on appear to be from the first millennium BC to the first century AD.

[@Silverheart1956]

Dear @kylestephens4133
Yeah, it appears that Tim is stretching things to make the story fit his presupposed idea.
He has what he calls the "Hebrew Model" and the Egyptian Model", but sadly, leaves out the "Biblical Model".
Once the Hebrews crossed the "Red Sea" they then entered the "Wilderness of Shur" (Gen 15:22). We know the location of the Wilderness of Shur. According to the Scriptures, The Wilderness of Shur is located in the northern portion of the Sinai Peninsula, between Egypt and the Negev (conduct a Word study of "Shur", looking up all the locations of the people groups associated with "Shur").
So the Scriptures confirm that after the Hebrews crossed the "Red Sea", they entered the Sinai Peninsula, going into the Wilderness of Shur.
Apparently the Scriptures eliminates the Gulf of Aqaba as being identified as the "Red Sea" location the Hebrews crossed.
The only locations that could be considered as viable identifications as the "Red Sea" crossing point is,
1. somewhere along the lakes that were along the ancient area of the Isthmus of Suez, or .....
2. somewhere along the northern portion on the Gulf of Suez branch of the "Red Sea" .
There is nowhere else that you can cross a body of water and then enter into the Wilderness of Shur.
There is absolutely no evidence for another "Wilderness of Shur" to be located in Saudi Arabia, on the other side of the Gulf of Aqaba - none !
Of course that does not stop some people from just relocating the Wilderness of Shur to Saudi Arabia to fit their hypothetical model, ignoring what the Scriptures say about the location of Shur (after all the Hebrew model is considered more authoritative to some, than the Biblical Model). Conjecture & Hypothesis above Scripture.
Be Well, DZ

[@kylestephens4133]

@@Silverheart1956 Thank you for all that. Also, Elim and a few other sites appear to have near-modern linguistic survivors that follow a Sinai route pretty well. You are right also about the people groups associated with certain areas. One such group (that is the most obvious concerning the Exodus/Wandering) are the Amalekites; they have only EVER been associated with an area that encompasses the Hill Country of Judea down into Sinai. If Tim and his "Hebrew model" experts could find notices of Amalekites in MIDIAN, I might begin to reconsider my position. As someone who studied History in college, I must also object to Tim's use of "The Hebrew Model" and "The Egyptian Model"; the conceit being of course that the the former is superior to the latter and "true believers" should prefer the eponymous model that the Hebrews themselves wouldn't have endorsed (with the implication that those who prefer "The Egyptian Model" are tantamount to pagans). I hope this isn't saying more than I should, but there have been occasions where Tim comes across as arrogant [blind] and this is one--I hate these sematic games used to sway well-meaning people. I say this as someone who appreciates what Tim has done for the faithful. Thanks for your insights.

[@Silverheart1956]

Dear@@kylestephens4133 ,
I agree with your perspective and thoughts on this issue.
It's good to hear that some people are independent thinkers who actual research the issues, instead of fall in to the sensationalism and speculative hypotheses.
"Tim's use of "The Hebrew Model" and "The Egyptian Model"
Yeah ! It is obvious those terms were created in a manipulative manner to persuade people to a particular perspective.
Admittedly, that is why I introduce another term to confusion the manipulation the other two terms. I will support the "Biblical Model", the model Tim leaves out.
I personally think Tim sometimes manipulates the issues to support the perspective of the "Hebrew Model".
For example, he likes to use Dr. Bryant Wood's comments when what Wood says supports his narrative. but he does not reveal the fact that Dr. Wood disagrees with the "Hebrew Model" on the basis of some very strong scholarly evidence. Tim never allows Dr. Wood to adequately voice and explain his objections to the "Hebrew Model". This is a manipulation of what evidence is presented to the audience.
Isn't this a compromise of objectivity ?
Tim is obviously favoring a certain perspective, and I have noticed that the perspective he favors is one that is clouded in sensationalism, and tends to neglect scholarship. That is a cause for concern. Be Well, DZ

[@kylestephens4133]

@@Silverheart1956 couldn't agree more. Thanks for being a voice of reason in the comments

[@SporGaming7]

If they can cross the sea by the will of God so what's so hard in crossing a land

[@rogerc4748]

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[@Bimfirestarter]

Still with this contrived "Egyptian vs Hebrew approach". 🤦‍♂️

[@larrybedouin2921]

And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that *God led them not* through the way of the land of the Philistines, [the coastal route] although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they *return* to Egypt:
But God led the people about, through *the way of the wilderness of the Red sea* and the children of Israel went up harnessed *out of the land of Egypt*
{Exodus 13:17-18}
... [Day one]
And they took their journey from Succoth, and encamped in Etham, *in the edge of the wilderness*
And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; *to go by day and night*
He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.
{Exodus 13:20-22}
(By implication, meaning more than a single day and a single night.)
...
And it was told the king of Egypt that the people fled: and the heart of Pharaoh and of his servants was turned against the people, and they said, Why have we done this, that we have let Israel go from serving us?
(More then likely Pharaoh had spies following the mixed multitude, and when they continued after three days into the wilderness, and they did not stop to make offerings of sacrifice to God, the spies returned to Pharaoh with this news.)
And *he made ready his chariot* and took his people with him:
And he took six hundred chosen chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt, and captains over every one of them.
{Exodus 14:5-6}
(The logistics for this would have not been completed in a day.)
Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of *Midian* and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
{Exodus 3:1}
...
And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: *When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt ye shall serve God upon this mountain*
{Exodus 3:12}
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: *before it shall ye encamp by the sea*
For Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel, They are entangled in the land, *the wilderness hath shut them in*
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, *that he shall follow after them* and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so.
{Exodus 14:1-4}
-- Here we have proof that Pharaoh and his army did not follow the Exodus out of Egypt before he thought that they had trapped themselves in the wilderness be for the Red Sea and the wilderness.
-- Existential evidence from a pure military and security standpoint. God would not have lead Moses and the Exodus to the Sinai Peninsula in such close proximity to the danger of Egypt.

[@Bimfirestarter]

Still with this contrived "Egyptian vs Hebrew approach". 🤦‍♂️

[@Silverheart1956]

Dear @Bimfirestarter
Yeah, I kind of strongly lean towards the "Biblical Approach". Tim doesn't go into that one much.