What is Pseudoscience? ft.
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2022
- Ayurveda, Homeopathy, chiropractic and astrology, what is Science and what is not? That is the topic of discussion in this episode of Explain Like I'm 10! astrology enthusiast Meghnad is joined by Ayurveda Enthusiast Pragati Ganeriwal and pseudoscience buster Pranav Radhakrishnan A.K.A. Science is dope, as they talk about what is science, and what qualifies as pseudoscience. They debunk some common misconceptions about science and medicine, and how horoscopes having been fooling us all this while!
Link to the articles:
Invention of homeopathy: www.nhp.gov.in/homeopathy-hah...
Definition of Homeopathy: www.nhs.uk/conditions/homeopa...
Does Cinnamon Help Diabetes?: www.webmd.com/diabetes/cinnam...
The Baader Meinhof Phenomenon: science.howstuffworks.com/lif...
NewsLaundry Coronil: www.newslaundry.com/2022/08/2...
Trump &hydroxychloroquine: www.thehindu.com/news/interna...[…]ks-in-early-stages-of-covid-19-infection/article32221865.ece
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I like the way Pranav tries not to offend people and takes an understanding approach. Mocking can never make any difference.
I like how people still get offended
Mocking make ppl more tolerant keep Mocking and normalize criticism or blasphemy
@@Ipluuu baseless argument.
@@rajeevranjanmishra25 wait I talk to my friend who is sanskrit scholar he knows logic he will criticize him allopathy doctor cannot stand in front of his logic
@@user-yr1pd1pz9o his logic is called illogic .
My man Pranav!!! So so happy to see him here.
So happy to see Pranav here!
The best thing of modern science is, it is open to critisism.. debunkers of moder science is modern science itself.. but alternatives are like "this it we won't change it.."
Much needed discussion..simply superb.
Pranav is right it's more about rational thinking and evidence based research.
It all boils down to this- we need to inculcate scientific temperament to understand what is correct and what is wrong. Which alternative medicine or religion doesn't allow you to inculcate or school and college don't teach you about it. It comes only through questioning and searching answers to it.
PCOS/PCOD is not only treated by medicines, probably your understanding of modern medicine is still that it is allopathy no it isn't.
Modern medicine is more involved and PCOS/PCOD is treated by a combined approach which includes Lifestyle Modification and Medications.
Lifestyle modification include dietary control and weight management. Medications she mentioned. Yes modern medicine considers life style modification as primary treatment approach in many conditions.
You are prescribed Antibiotics in a viral infection because they don't want you cath a secondary bacterial infection on top. Like sore throat may lead to hear diseases and kidney diseases.
While I was on the live stream it just stopped and switched over to a previous one from your channel... BTW your content is amazing 👏 ✨️ please keep it up...
Great discussion today! Also shout out to Pragati, she is the best audience representative 😊
I can't believe I watched the full video, Totally glued, I am towards the evidence 👍
What evidence it's made of some other material so how did u believe you get every past evidence earth is changing people changing so you cannot think earth will be same after few decades our future generations don't get evidence about us so that time they claim us as mythical creatures enjoy science your myth I am myth everything is myth.🤣😂
Science changes because it is supposed to do so, we are supposed upgrade our knowledge by analysing the newer data we get.
But the thing is , once something is proved , we don't go back and changes it , science builds on the earlier proven things and builds upon them to reach new heights.
Not true, science is revisionist especially when you enhance the ecosystem in which the observations are made. For example, take the spooky effect, termed by Einstein himself, which was not accepted by Einstein as something that could have been possible based on his theory. Now his theory has been proved wrong and the physics Nobel prize for 2022 has been awarded for the same.
Nah very baby science aa your main arguements also fail like pseudocience of electric field is taught in class 12th but in quantum electrodynamics its explained by virtual particle
53:00 She meant CRP ( C- Reactive Protein) and ESR( Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate) not CSR and ERP.
Watch at 1.25x, thank me later...
Actually no need to watch, just listen...
2x I would say 😅
Hey Meghnath I am your avid viewer from around two years and I love you small skit kinda things in newsance and you explainer videos so can you please continue that too on this channel and give some special appearances on newslaundry.
Edit: This format is nice too but you know the drill.
For random skits, you can follow me on Instagram. For explainers... Coming soon on this channel only. I'm designing a format for it. :)
@@meghnerd noice but no insta sorry 😔.
technically there should be that Arcernic molecules in that water. maybe 1 tiny molecule will be in a 5ml bottle among some thousands of bottles that doesn't have any effect because that's too less that it is just negligible. even within that 5 ml there would be some other molecules in much more number than that just like in any drop of water.
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“Faith is something that is devoid of Logic, Reason, Witness, Rationale and Evidence” - Javed Akhtar saab in a debate with the fraudster, mystic Jaggi Vasudev.
Please invite cyriac abby philips to better decode Pseudoscience in Medicine. his experience is vast in this area, as he's facing cases of patients with herb induced liver and other injuries.
Since we are nitpicking as well, The host says "I paraphrased based on memory"..How else can you do it?
I have asked Pranav many times to have a look at the Ayurveda original texts through comments on his Instagram post on Ayurveda but he doesn’t seem interested. He only replies to the comments that appreciates Pranav’s work and pay him on RUclips😅 that’s not the scientific attitude Pranav😅
Bro , Meghnath, Science is dope , Vimoh all of them banned me
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So did news laundry
Not even trying to hide bias zehahahahahahaha
So can relate to the "Myna" stuff. Took me a long time to realize, I was fuckall at studies and had nothing to do with the birds I saw on my way to exams 😂😂
you can pass the myna curse to someone else by basically making them look at it. Duh !
@@offensivebeefroast5407 The hell dude, did not know superstitions came with cheat codes 😂
There was a way out in our case if you saw a coconut tree 🌴 immediately you are good!
1:00:00 See problem with that is that you how individual ingredient reacts to your body but you are adding them all now you don't know how they'll react. for that you need otherwise people go like add sugar, turmeric, pepper. It might react differently just an example.
Great discussion
Someone pls provide timestamps
Many points over "Ayurved vs Modern Medicine":
1. I am prescribed a medicine like Retin-A for acne only the doctor makes me fill a questionnaire and runs a lot of tests. Such counterindications are mostly absent for Ayurved.
2. When you ask what's the harm, the modern medicine states all facts and might not be an easier path (e.g. taking insulin shots daily for diabetes). If someone promises Jamun guthli, how much research has been done on it? Is it an alternate to insulin?
I have personally witnessed people losing life because they followed an 'easier' medication as the claims are made without indication.
3. Something being done since long/traditionally does not mean it was correct. Traditionally, there are thousands of restrictions on women after child birth in India. That does not mean they are scientific. Women give birth in Europe without any such restrictions.
Ok...i am a bams student (bachelor of ayurvedic medicine and surgery)..So i guess i am eligible enough to answer your questions..here we go:
1. If your have ever visited a good ayurvedic physician then you might know that they dont even prescribe any medicine without prakriti parikshan which is basically a questionnaire through which we decide the nature of a patient..then only further treatment is proceed....also you should always check if the doctor is eligible and had studied bams and masters in it..and ayurveda is something that requires a higher level of research on it...and our govt. Hasnt funded it enough to prove itself..and as u talked about all the kupratha, it has evolved just few hundred of years from now...women were so empowered in ancient india that is incomparable to anywhere else in world...
They have contributed a lot to ayurveda and bharat itself.
So first thing is that if you dont have enough knowlege about ayurveda then dont defame it..and you are free to choose any system of medicine you like🤗
@@brahmiveda your whole pseudoscience is based on vata pitta and kapha
Go read about maggots used to eat tumour
when the child stuck while giving birth what stupid horrible things are done
How menstrual blood and sperms are responsible for birth of baby😂😂😂😂😂
You are wasting time doing bams😂😂😂
@@brahmiveda allopathy is only hope and best medicine and true doctors ❤️
Learn proper English first before talking against Ayurved.
@@ishowspeedaf9986
Can allopathy cure jaundice?
Pranav is love😍
Bhai please make chapters 😭😭
Timestamp please 🥺 😭
You should invite an ayurveda expert and a doctor who practices modern medicine, their arguments would feel much more educated than non experts.
yo pranav! i watch your stuff all the time . call me too sometime. ive been brought up in the lap of religion love, science . yes in that order. and im also 48 ,and non believing of anything. questioning of everything..
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Some food for thought for Pragati ji:
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What an irony as I'm watching this episode the break brought an ad about an app for horoscope 😂😂😂😂
Pragati has a very beautiful smile ..
Shout out to the GOAT Hawabaan Harde ❤️
Potential sponsor for sure 😂
Minor nitpick. 30 C is 100^30 not 10^30. So it is worse
I liked the points put forward by Pranav. But meghnad if you want conversation to start on these topics, bring in experts from the field not ppl who have loose idea on it. Bring in doctors and homeopathy practinioners not influencers who have limited knowledge on the topics like normal ppl. We are not learning anything new.for eg Pragati i found was saying a lot from personal exp, may be she has read on it but its on personal belief. Bring in the experts
Invite lallantop journanist .... Siddharth Mohan and swatti Mishra .... They did great job in pre election tours and interveiwing locals... Sensitive and responsible journalists
Why is she attributing to ayurveda which you can just call healthy food? Is all healthy food ayurveda?
Yes ayurveda doest use some sort of chemicals made in lab..it use things that are easily available in surrounding
It’s good that there was a conversation about Ayurveda but a lot of it was not discussed for lack of subject knowledge or some other biases. All the speakers mentioned that there is a loose definition for what is ayurveda but nothing can be farther from the truth. We have documents and written knowledge from practitioners like Sushruta and others which sadly no one cares to study today to learn about the field. Also Ayurveda does not just include medicine but procedures as well for corrective and life saving surgeries, cosmetic surgeries etc.
😅😅If you would have read charak samhita.
You dare not to say this.
Please read .
@@neetphodovideos9687 did you read charak samitha then you would have not commented here 😅😅
Really bro if there are any drug useful in aurvedic plant then we can extract and use it medicine ..it will be better way not like this...
You are right
@@brahmiveda 😂😂😂pseudoscience - waste of time. Read how stupid things are mentioned in the pseudoscience book😂😂😂
I'm 10 and I don't get this /s
Mulagi shikali Pragati(Pragti) zali😅
Btw we still don’t have a cure for Covid.
You say it as ayurveda is not a science because it is not getting updated, ayurvedic practitioners are trusting and practicing using old concepts..tell me it's many years have passed ,yet the concept that to live a life we need air,water and earth (land) has this concept changed ?
the thing about turmeric is that it has really low amounts of curcumin 500:1 also the body only absorbs 50% of that curcumin intake many studies out there have actively said that intake of turmeric as medicine is a waste of time. And if u intake large amounts of turmeric(in the end it is a spice) believe me it won't end well.. Its simple Ayurveda doesn't have a proper working model and trial and error method is very old u're basically hitting shots in the dark and it doesn't have germ theory, mostly treats symptoms not the root cause of the disease and no clinical trials etc. these r some of the basics every method of treatment should have if they r gonna sell their products. And as a individual I think it is imperative to understand what u're intaking in ur body. I think people need to understand that it is really easy for someone to lie and those who recommend those remedies to u may not have bad intentions and really believe in what they said but in the end u're the one who is gonna end up screwed if something bad happens. If u don't have the time u're just a google search away from a study that was conducted u only need to take a glance at some portions of the study to understand the basics(obviously don't just trust any site that just pops up reputed journals/websites r the way to go mostly bcoz they r not gonna risk their reputation for pumping out content)
Ok so u r okay with dumping some lab made chemicals in your body..best of luck for your long life
Meghnad how could you??? HOW DARE YOUU??? Your title box is not centred, please have some shame
Thing is natural stuff isn’t always good for you
Even chemical stuff also isn't always good for you🙃
My (grandmother) has gotten allergy to alopathic medicine so don't overtake homeopathy treatment for year continuous ly
Old veids used to know about all body's they come to treat they might have been giving customised medicine all along
I was not knowing English by itself at ten
Bruh Meghnad ka yt channel bhi ha
Moonlighting
@@whykoks he left newslaundry already.
@@amitmaurya6179 that I know
@@amitmaurya6179 really?
@@thelivingphantom2584 Arun above said moonlighting so I am just saying that he is not working two places at the same time.
Pranav has a way broader concepts of this stuffs! I don’t trust the CA fail guy, he should not interrupt, and juba kesari was way out of context🎉
What pragati defined as ayurveda for the management of PCOD is actually researched allopathy. Classic example of hindsight bias and claiming things proven effective by allopathy by ayurveda. A doc here
Would like you to also discuss about the bloodsucking Pharma industry.....and Dr fauci....
it needs courage to do such videos,
Nice talk.. But I think it is not for 10 year old.. 😄😄😄
These three of them feel like scientists. Just speaking on scince. Just speaking on science zero diffrence they made. Just made it for science lovers. Science is about applying where when.. Useless. Middle guy thinking himself great scientist. They felt like this is international science summit. ....... 😆😀😀😇
Meghnad did you quit newslaundry?
Yes
@@meghnerd All the best! Will miss Sansad watch. Maybe you can start something similar here. :)
Hi, I'm a scientist, and I wanted to add and clarify some things about placebo effect and mindset.
1) Pranav, no, placebo effects aren't always short-term or palliative. I think you're taking an overly deterministic perspective on how diseases work, like, "in order for a disease to go away, you must eliminate the root cause of the disease, and that usually requires modern medical treatments." But we are living humans with immune systems, self-repairing tissue, etc.... not just rotting meat bags. Even setting aside the placebo effect, we heal from viral infections without taking anti-virals or antibody infusions all the time. And as for the placebo effect: if it was only a short-term thing, clinical trials wouldn't have to work so hard to prove that a treatment is better than placebo. Seriously, medical science would be so much easier if patients given ineffective treatments never improved, lol. Like it or not, your beliefs matter for your health outcomes. [Peer-reviewed reading material in point #3 below.]
2) When Pragati said "it goes the other way too," I thought she was going to bring up the nocebo effect. Attacking modern medicine as colonial (when so many top scientists, researchers, and doctors are Asian!) or allopathic (unnatural or causing side-effects) is literally harmful. If you expect negative consequences from a treatment, your mind might be able make some of those bad things happen or lessen the effectiveness of the treatment. Even if you're given a placebo, you can give yourself a psychosomatic illness if you're super scared of side effects. [The wikipedia page for Nocebo has some references.]
3) This probably isn't the research Pragati was discussing, but in grad school I learned about the work of Prof. Alia Crum. You can check out her peer-reviewed publications at MBL (dot) STANFORD (dot) EDU, or search for her TEDx Talks; she's a great science communicator too. Pranav, citations for studies showing long-term placebo effects can be found in the first few paragraphs of almost any paper from her lab about placebo effects. She's one of the few researchers studying placebo mechanisms, meaning, how mindsets can affect both long-term outcomes and short-term physiological measurements. One of the things she helped me realize is that even well-established scientific concepts like "stress" can become an entry-point for pseudoscience when our culture demonizes it. Anyway, her lab is actively studying a range of mindset interventions in cancer patients and survivors, which is related to Pragati's points about hope and the good aspects of placebo effect.
One more thing about modern medicine's confusion on covid matters: defensive responses like the one Pranav gave--and every damn public health official and many doctors & scientists, unfortunately--are bad for society because they defend pseudoscience. No offense Pranav, I adore the lifesaving work you do on your channel, but if we love science, we have to do better. To Pragati's point, I do agree that there have been an alarming number of serious failures of public health guidance on airborne transmission, masking, long covid, children's risk, herd immunity, antibody treatments, and protocols for testing, quarantine, etc. They keep claiming they're "following the science", but no, they literally aren't; they're following politics and their own pride. But I claim that it wasn't science that failed, it was the humans.
Let's get one thing straight: any "repurposing" of therapies that have nothing to do with virus replication, antibodies, or palliative care for organ systems under attack was inherently unscientific, not merely "flawed study designs". Scientists and doctors practicing modern medicine knew there was no plausible mechanism of action for random other drugs to cure this viral multi-system disease. We need to stop covering for the ones who abused their authority, with statements like, "well it was so early, science changes, we were desperate." Bullsh*t! We acted as if we'd learned nothing from previous SARS or flu pandemics. (Except vaccine makers, who harnessed the process they developed for Ebola and other more common vaccines. That's science!) If we really cared about saving people, we would have made N95-equivalent masking a priority instead of handwashing. By summer 2020, we would have started convalescent plasma transfusions on every high-risk positive case instead of telling folks to stay home until the tissue damage made it obvious that they were dying. Yes there are some tricky details like timing and dosage, but it's better to focus on getting the details right and developing sustainable technologies worldwide for something that has been the obvious right answer for >100 years. The doctors with any integrity were honest that modern medicine had no other treatments, and that everything else they were doing was just trying to keep you alive while your own immune system fought to get the virus under control.
Everything you've said about homeopathy can apply to the attempted use of antimalarial and anti-parasitic compounds on covid19 patients. It's FDA approved, so it "can't hurt". We're too poor to afford properly developed treatments, and the vaccine isn't ready yet, so let's just try whatever we have lying around because they're gonna die anyway. The patients' families expect doctors to do something, anything. [Insert anti-intellectualism masquerading as anti-colonialism & anti-racism here.] And in my country, the biggest fans of the fake cures are religious extremist nationalists. They're the ones who scared public health officials away from the science. The point is, it's disinformation & pseudoscience, and it's much better for us to admit that we failed to gatekeep science & medicine when we needed to most. It sucks that you have to be better at science than most scientists in order to tell fact from fiction and to use science to keep yourself safe.
May I know what scientist you are? Is every medicine except allopathy psuedo science?
@@KumarK-cn1sjyes anything without proper evidence is indeed pseudoscience 😂
Pranav is trying to be very tolerant
Why is her hair black ? She has to dye it.😂
Ayurved is in itself a large subject... Around 700 medicines have been documented in ayurveda ..The concept of vatt pitta kaff has been proven documented by modern medicines in terms of genomics..please read the paper available online.....So it's definitely not psuedoscience
Yess they arnt even eligible enough to talk about that
I am sure that these three people haven’t read a single page of Charak samhita, Ashthanghridayam, Nighantu ratnakar, Yogratanakar etc, and I am also sure that they haven’t read sufficient science as well. All they do is use science as a weapon to attack on Ayurveda that they have never studied 😅 You can clearly observe the arrogance on face of middle guy, look how he laughs every time he tries to show down other people or philosophy/scriptures. Ayurveda is not the topic of belief but understanding. Pranav often mentions that there is no scientific study is done on Ayurveda but he ignores the fact that there are 46 peer-reviewed journals on Ayurveda. World wide demand of Ayurveda is increasing because it works on root cause of diseases and you can see its effect on shares related to Ayurveda as well, for Kerala Ayurveda. It is not only curative but preventative, it deals with the simple daily habits that affect our body and mind.
Find some another topic or study Ayurveda first.
Well said 👌
Ayurdeva is medical degree by government ayurvedic medical college called BAMS .... Ayurdeva is name of a book written by Sage Patanjali. One can't define ayurveda willy nilly
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Ofcourse one can. Just because gullibles buy into such things doesn't mean it can't be wrong.
Ayurveda doctor never only give powder as medicine he gives bhasma if person takes wrongly you can't blame Ayurveda doctor you ask my ayurvedic doctor he explains better he knows allopathy too he defeat you better you can't even talk with him he just do critics very well
Even BUMS/BHMS/BSMS is medical degree offered by government.
What sort of credibility do these courses achieve only because of this region.
If I am not wrong goverment do offers courses in astrology and palmistry.
@@neetphodovideos9687 Exactly. I mean there should someone who would validate the courses before approving them for teaching. But i am sure whoever sits on that post of approving courses is a Whack Job.
In my point of view the main reason for choosing homeopathy or aryuveda is the cost of treatment. If you visit an MBBS doctor then minimum fee will be 300₹ + medicine and it is not affordable (as 80 cr+ population is not self dependent). Middle class families in 3-4 tier cities also avoid MBBS for cost cutting on medical.
If government provides free health care then you will see only 1% will go to homeopathy or ayurveda.
People just use talks of Purkhas(elders) as an very convincing excuse to avoid expenses on medical.
You provide a whole health insurance package to any Indian he/she will never visit other than MBBS.
You think ayurvedic treatments are cheap? They are minting money.
In other words people choose what they have access to and unfortunately very few Indians have access to modern medicine .
As far as I know government hospitals do provide free treatment is that not the case out there? I think middle class avoids public hospitals mainly bcoz they think they will receive subpar treatment or bcoz it is very overcrowded but that is mainly because of low funds allocated to these projects
Bro..visit ayurvedic hospitals once...they are even more costly..coz they use drugs which costs them so..they even get low margin in that..
People treat themselves with ayurveda for their total wellbeing otherwise paracetamol cost 2rs...go and supress your symptoms🙏🏻
Well Pranav, you'd be really disappointed if we would ever meet cuz I'm your massive fan.
Aye fuck i might be high how do I unlike my own comment ?
Mission accomplished
On second thoughts i guess it was auto liked. If anyones reading this then tumlog bhi try Karo na
Business of allopathy is under threat they are Just jealous
Most of the people suffering from liver injury are either due to alcoholic consumption or are cases of herabal product induced liver injury.
Idk how you thought evidence based medicine is under threat because of these nonsense.
If we don not make people aware about these we will have more patients and more money too.
Really?😂😂
🤣🤣🤣😆So boy go just like 200 Year ago where average life expectancy is 20 year go and do that🤣😆
@@stokism2353 Life expectancy of 200 years was because of Ayurveda not allopathy do you know Ravan lived for 1000 years before got killed by god Rama Dashrath maha Raj lived 500 years again ashwathma still alive did u seen him taking allopathy why ashwathma because he was injured after Mahabharat how did healed himself these allopathic doctors were not there that time . Now if you ask where is ashwathma still alive my answer is he not interested in allopathy and adharcard to revel his identity 😂🤣
@@user-yr1pd1pz9o Man here is really bringing in a theology book as evidence😂😂😂