The worst enemy of Doctor Who isn't the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Yeti, the Ice Warriors, the Sontarans, the Master or the Zygons. It's Michael F**king Grade
He admits he isn't a science fiction fan - he would have cancelled anything that had a sci-fi theme despite its popularity. Cutting the budget and using crappy writers didn't help matters much either.
He's HORRIBLE, isn't he?? Especially the *personal remarks* about the show's fans, and their cheap clothing and "NHS glasses". 😏 Guy's got to be a Tory!!
Ok, so the problems with his argument. He said that he thought that Doctor Who didn't look as good as Star Wars or ET. He said a TV show didn't look as good as films. Films that would have bigger budgets than TV shows. And for Doctor Who in particular, they made the budget especially lower because they didn't like it. And then they use the Myrka as an example. But that is the worst one. It's not taking into account all the great effects that have be created over the years. I'd actually say that whilst the Kandyman has a silly design, the build of the costume is actually really good and he is a very scary character in that story adding in that screeching modulated voice. It's such a shame that he left his position in 1987 because he missed some really great seasons of the show. Including in my opinion the best special effect that has ever been devised in the shows history, modern or classic. He needs to take a look at the Destroyer from Battlefield. It's a work of art! Brilliant design and perfect execution. It looks tangible and real with great movement and aesthetics. And he's a genuinely menacing character created by the legend Stephen Mansfield.
He complained that the show looked cheap, and didn’t compare to Star Wars and Close Encounters, when he was the man who kept slashing the budget. The show was also generating huge amounts of money for BBC Enterprises at the time in merchandising. It’s very similar to what the Tories are doing with the NHS… slash the budgets so that it falls apart, in order to then claim that the private sector need to come in to save the day.
Run time of a season was slashed in half after the hiatus (!) And where did the money go in the in the mid 80s that they wouldn’t give to Doctor Who? On setting up a soap to challenge Coronation Street Doctor Who - a series that encouraged children to dream of a creative career when they grow up. Production, screenwriting, set design, VFX, electronic music… EastEnders - the most miserable and depressing show. Real feel bad tv
Picking out Bok from the 70s (incidentally, the golden years of the show) as evidence as to why he cancelled the show in the mid eighties is so disingenuous.
Lowers the budget for a famous sci-fi show (something that _cannot_ work without at least a bit of money) then laughs at the attempts to come up with something good without the necessary money that he took from them. This is a comment that 11-year-old me would have made, but at 21, I still think Michael Grade is an arsehole.
Doctor who is one of the longest running tv shows of all time ( maybe behind the likes of coronation street and emmerdale) with millions of fans around the world. Michael grade you are sooo wrong
Chris Chibnall is Michael Grade's son. The BBC needs a second Michael Grade. Edit: If RTD was a lead writer in the 80s, Michael Grade would think twice about cancelling the episodes, especially Dalek, Midnight, Turn left and the S1, 3, 4 finales.
@@sadako24 And yet we know the effect RTD has on the writers working under him. Just look what happened to Moffat as soon as there was no-one around to tell him he wasn't the epitome of genius.
@@ginge641 RTD might've been good at reigning in other writers, but to me he was hopeless at reigning himself in. From what I read, RTD tended to leave Moffat's scripts alone. He said something once about how Moffat's scripts 'got the zeitgeist' the way he wanted. I think what happened with Moffat was less that RTD wasn't over his shoulder anymore, but it was more other limits being removed. He'd been slotted to do one story a season on a small allocation of the season's budget. Which meant he was required to tell a self-contained story with a resolution, and if he was to use extravagant SFX set-pieces there had to be a good story reason for it. Likewise the guest writers he introduced had to remain one-offs, so they were used to their full in their one appearance. If Silence in the Library had been River's one appearance, her story would feel complete. The problem is, once he had whole control of seasons he could indulge long-spanning arcs, mystery bait and postponements of resolutions. He could now have River return so often she became insufferable and far too much the focus of arcs to the point it got tiresome. He had full control of the budget so he could do a whole story recreating Nazi Germany for no reason other than to have River go there and make silly jokes. His excesses got out of control.
Comparing those two to each other is quite shallow to be quite honest with you. Chibnall was a longtime fan of the show who got the opportunity to become a writer and eventually the showrunner during the 21st century, a man who people hate simply because a few of his stories weren't that great, and also because he made the Doctor a woman (Wow, such a big crime. Next you'll be telling me that Moffat is the next Michael Grade because he made the Master into a woman. Or that RTD is the next Michael Grade because he made the Doctor into a person of color.) Meanwhile, Michael Grade is some random British TV executive who constantly chastised a TV show that was just trying it's goddamn hardest after facing production issues, low ratings, and also being watched closely by Mary Whitehouse, who constantly sought to end the show because it's "tOo vIoLeNt fOr kIdS". Michael Grade did this without understanding the production hell Doctor Who went through for most of the 80s. I'm not sure a man who wrote a few mediocre stories and made a change to a character is quite as bad as someone like Michael Grade. Certainly not as malicious either. (From what I've heard, Chibnall is a lovely bloke in real life.)
Grade, was and still is a pompous fool who allowed his lack of objectivity to destroy the show. He went out of his way to sabotage it until its cancellation in 1989. He put the series on an 18-month hiatus, before having Colin Baker sacked to use him as a scapegoat, and then scheduled it at the same time opposite Coronation Street, which was one of ITV's top-rated shows, which was also advertised heavily while. Doctor Who received little publicity at all. He was the real reason why the show got destroyed.
The kandyman was great and the happiness patrol was a very good story too people like Michael grade are very superficial and only talk about the effect and never about the writing
Also the only bad season jnt made was season 24 and that's mostly because of the troubled production at that point. Seasons 18,25,26 were the most consistently good seasons and they were under him.
From the moment he said those two words he knew he’d completely lost the audience lol 😂. They weren’t going to agree with him either way because, he was basically wanting all us Whovians thrown in along with it lol 😂. Xx
I'm sorry, but I agree with him, Michael grade, you had bad ass villains, with unbrave storytelling with sometimes a good lead as the doctor, sometimes not. And besides it's all subjective anyway
subjectivity doesn't matter in this case, he shouldn't be hired for his subjective opinion. Maybe if doctor who was committing a moral conflict but it isn't really. It's not his ground to make a decision to cancel it with reasoning like that.
So basically Grade cancelled Doctor Who because HE didn't like it...never mind the 7- 8 million viewers who were still tuning in every week at the time of the 1985 cancellation (ratings the producers of the revived series could only dream of)? And he slams the show for being cheap looking compared to Star Wars and other Hollywood blockbusters? Well how about simply giving the series an increased budget so that it CAN compete with the more expensive US sci-fi franchises, rather than arrogantly dismissing the wishes of DW's tens of millions of fans worldwide by axing the show? This man clearly has an ego the size of a mountain... 😡
Cancel a show because of your personal opinion is a pathetic reason because what about the fans who were watching why didn't Care about. Especially the kids.
On the one hand his arguments against the show were completely disingenuous and contradictory (at the time he criticized it for being too violent for a family audience, yet here he is mocking the idea that such a cheaply made show could ever have scared kids). On the other hand, in the context of the show in the 1980's, he actually wasn't wrong. The show had pretty much sank to doing its own worst fanfiction at this point. Aside from the occasional rare gem (Enlightenment, Caves of Androzani, Revelation of the Daleks) the whole era was a write-off and largely utterly repellent to an audience with taste. A story like Warriors of the Deep completely vindicates his statement that the show was 'a waste of licence fee'. As much as I'd want to champion the show against a snide bureaucrat like him, the era was full of own-goals like this. It wasn't 1979 anymore. The fun and wit had gone. It was now a very nasty show that I had little to no love for.
Honestly doctor who to me always had stilted acting and low production value. Prefer Star Trek, can’t understand the cult around doctor who, it’s not good quality, never was, probably never will be. The plots are also ridiculous, and the morals and themes are facile.
Not only do you have your own picture as your icon (egomaniacal much), you have the audacity to promote fucking star trek of all things on a doctor who video. Get a life.
Not so!! Not in the old days, and definitely not now! I always liked Star Trek - but someone once told me it had the values of the US Peace Corps. It was kind of - po-faced. Dr Who was always rather more - quirky!! (Guy's an anarchist rebel, you know!! 😁)
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought Doctor Who was the worst programme the BBC made, Michael Grade did the right thing axing it, Lorraine Heggessey should never have brought it back.
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The worst enemy of Doctor Who isn't the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Yeti, the Ice Warriors, the Sontarans, the Master or the Zygons. It's Michael F**king Grade
Xtra Spice Mikey Ahh yes. Can't forget Mary.
And Chibnall.
1:37
Stubagful: "It's the Myrk... because it's what got the show cancelled."
NO ITS BOTH CHRIS CHIBNALL AND MICHAEL GRADE
I agree
Michael Grade: The show was about cardboard monsters scaring kids
JNT: I'll make it violent
Michael Grade: No difference
RTD Doctor Who: hold my beer
He admits he isn't a science fiction fan - he would have cancelled anything that had a sci-fi theme despite its popularity. Cutting the budget and using crappy writers didn't help matters much either.
The writers were certainly not crappy
It was JNT's choice to use crappy writers. He didn't want anyone on the show who knew the series better than him.
@@sadako24 yes people seem to have taken some of the blame off of JNT in recent years.
@@hothemeep1219 many of them were Pip and Jane Baker Johnny Byrne are just awful "leave the women it's the man I want".
@@nifralo2752 no
And he wonders why the queen never knighted him
The Queen is actually a doctor who fan and takes the DVDs to Balmoral.
@@fadikhoory5350 Is that an article or video you can send me about that?
4:27 Okay, the Cybermen in the audience sticking there hands up is the only genuinely funny part.
He has such an evil laugh
fitting
I’m trying really hard not to hate this man but my attempts are futile
He's HORRIBLE, isn't he?? Especially the *personal remarks* about the show's fans, and their cheap clothing and "NHS glasses". 😏
Guy's got to be a Tory!!
@@oneoflokis he is funnily enough. He’s a tory member of the House of Lords
@@Alex63645 he's also the chairman of ofcom and has been the loudest voice for Channel 4 to be privatised. So yeah awful person
Lord Grade’s evil laugh doesn’t sound that much different from Lord Garmadon’s.
The man who pissed off DW fans in 1985.
The man with whom the responsibility of holding DW's purse strings, had the audacity to say it looked cheap.
@@mekonta it's just who, not whom
Until Moffat who is far worst
JustSomeRandomGuy Online Moffat is chill. It’s chibnail that pisses people off.
@@hazmatsquad8923 somerandomguy is a troll who goes on nearly every doctor who related video and hates on Moffat
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Ok, so the problems with his argument. He said that he thought that Doctor Who didn't look as good as Star Wars or ET. He said a TV show didn't look as good as films. Films that would have bigger budgets than TV shows. And for Doctor Who in particular, they made the budget especially lower because they didn't like it.
And then they use the Myrka as an example. But that is the worst one. It's not taking into account all the great effects that have be created over the years. I'd actually say that whilst the Kandyman has a silly design, the build of the costume is actually really good and he is a very scary character in that story adding in that screeching modulated voice.
It's such a shame that he left his position in 1987 because he missed some really great seasons of the show. Including in my opinion the best special effect that has ever been devised in the shows history, modern or classic. He needs to take a look at the Destroyer from Battlefield. It's a work of art! Brilliant design and perfect execution. It looks tangible and real with great movement and aesthetics. And he's a genuinely menacing character created by the legend Stephen Mansfield.
He complained that the show looked cheap, and didn’t compare to Star Wars and Close Encounters, when he was the man who kept slashing the budget.
The show was also generating huge amounts of money for BBC Enterprises at the time in merchandising.
It’s very similar to what the Tories are doing with the NHS… slash the budgets so that it falls apart, in order to then claim that the private sector need to come in to save the day.
Actually the comparison of Doctor Who to the NHS is very fitting because Michael Grade became a Tory peer. No wonder he hated Doctor Who.
2:55 that is really inaccurate actually. Wheres the 1979 spike? Why does it seem to start in the late 40s?
Horrible man.
Run time of a season was slashed in half after the hiatus (!)
And where did the money go in the in the mid 80s that they wouldn’t give to Doctor Who? On setting up a soap to challenge Coronation Street
Doctor Who - a series that encouraged children to dream of a creative career when they grow up. Production, screenwriting, set design, VFX, electronic music…
EastEnders - the most miserable and depressing show. Real feel bad tv
Picking out Bok from the 70s (incidentally, the golden years of the show) as evidence as to why he cancelled the show in the mid eighties is so disingenuous.
Yeah!! Bok scared *me*, as a kid! At least in the book version, he did..🙂👍
and then 7th doctor arrived
Dr who main villain before chibnall
doctor who beat the daleks, the cybermen and the master but he failed to outsmart michael grade
The clown behind the death of classic Doctor Who.
John Nathan turner helped tbf he should have left after the 6th doctor
Wasn't he dating Colin Baker's wife when he fired him from the show
Almost, it was Baker’s ex-girlfriend. I often wondered if that was part of the REAL reason that JN-T hired him… just to annoy Grade!
@@themomentalist Like how JNT doesn't like grade aswell
So Michael Grade was really in league with the Cybermen?
Lowers the budget for a famous sci-fi show (something that _cannot_ work without at least a bit of money) then laughs at the attempts to come up with something good without the necessary money that he took from them. This is a comment that 11-year-old me would have made, but at 21, I still think Michael Grade is an arsehole.
Make a wish! What on Earth did the Doctor say that?!😆 1:58
Someone should go onto Room 101 and nominate Michael Grade as something to be put in there.
Doctor who is one of the longest running tv shows of all time ( maybe behind the likes of coronation street and emmerdale) with millions of fans around the world. Michael grade you are sooo wrong
Chris Chibnall is Michael Grade's son. The BBC needs a second Michael Grade. Edit: If RTD was a lead writer in the 80s, Michael Grade would think twice about cancelling the episodes, especially Dalek, Midnight, Turn left and the S1, 3, 4 finales.
Those RTD finales were unbelievably badly plotted and resolved. Dalek was by Rob Shearman.
@@sadako24 And yet we know the effect RTD has on the writers working under him. Just look what happened to Moffat as soon as there was no-one around to tell him he wasn't the epitome of genius.
@@ginge641 RTD might've been good at reigning in other writers, but to me he was hopeless at reigning himself in.
From what I read, RTD tended to leave Moffat's scripts alone. He said something once about how Moffat's scripts 'got the zeitgeist' the way he wanted.
I think what happened with Moffat was less that RTD wasn't over his shoulder anymore, but it was more other limits being removed.
He'd been slotted to do one story a season on a small allocation of the season's budget. Which meant he was required to tell a self-contained story with a resolution, and if he was to use extravagant SFX set-pieces there had to be a good story reason for it.
Likewise the guest writers he introduced had to remain one-offs, so they were used to their full in their one appearance. If Silence in the Library had been River's one appearance, her story would feel complete.
The problem is, once he had whole control of seasons he could indulge long-spanning arcs, mystery bait and postponements of resolutions. He could now have River return so often she became insufferable and far too much the focus of arcs to the point it got tiresome.
He had full control of the budget so he could do a whole story recreating Nazi Germany for no reason other than to have River go there and make silly jokes. His excesses got out of control.
@@sadako24 Yeah, you've got a point. Being the showrunner has more barriers broken than just RTD no longer reigning him in.
People really overate RTD. The man who can't do a season finale without making it ludicrously overblown and reliant on lazy deus ex machinas to solve.
This was a time before the 2005 Reboot when doctor who was a complete joke. The audience reaction says it all as they laugh and snigger.
Of course they chose Warriors of Deep...
To be honest, I'd have cancelled the show over that one.
Michael Grade was the first Chris Chibnall.
Comparing those two to each other is quite shallow to be quite honest with you.
Chibnall was a longtime fan of the show who got the opportunity to become a writer and eventually the showrunner during the 21st century, a man who people hate simply because a few of his stories weren't that great, and also because he made the Doctor a woman (Wow, such a big crime. Next you'll be telling me that Moffat is the next Michael Grade because he made the Master into a woman. Or that RTD is the next Michael Grade because he made the Doctor into a person of color.)
Meanwhile, Michael Grade is some random British TV executive who constantly chastised a TV show that was just trying it's goddamn hardest after facing production issues, low ratings, and also being watched closely by Mary Whitehouse, who constantly sought to end the show because it's "tOo vIoLeNt fOr kIdS". Michael Grade did this without understanding the production hell Doctor Who went through for most of the 80s.
I'm not sure a man who wrote a few mediocre stories and made a change to a character is quite as bad as someone like Michael Grade. Certainly not as malicious either. (From what I've heard, Chibnall is a lovely bloke in real life.)
John Nathan Tuner was the first Chris Chibnall.
atleast chris chibnall liked the show 😭
Grade, was and still is a pompous fool who allowed his lack of objectivity to destroy the show. He went out of his way to sabotage it until its cancellation in 1989. He put the series on an 18-month hiatus, before having Colin Baker sacked to use him as a scapegoat, and then scheduled it at the same time opposite Coronation Street, which was one of ITV's top-rated shows, which was also advertised heavily while. Doctor Who received little publicity at all. He was the real reason why the show got destroyed.
TBH the candyman was an abomination
The JNT era as a whole was. I don't actually begrudge Grade and Powell for despising it.
Haha you're an idiot
@@sadako24 I agree, I think the best for the show happened, it needed cancellation.
The kandyman was great and the happiness patrol was a very good story too people like Michael grade are very superficial and only talk about the effect and never about the writing
Also the only bad season jnt made was season 24 and that's mostly because of the troubled production at that point. Seasons 18,25,26 were the most consistently good seasons and they were under him.
Which year is this from ?
Y'know the host doesn't take the thing he's talking about seriously when he says "baddies".
I really disliked this man for curtailing Colin's run and then cancelling the show-if I had my way he'd be in Room 101
Remember when Chris Morris flashed "Michael Grade is a c***" on his Brass Eye program?
Exactly how I feel.about him!
Grade was pissed about that. The fact he is a c*** just made it funnier.
Whether your a whovian..a whoistani or a whoberman..letvus agree michael grade is a aerosol
From the moment he said those two words he knew he’d completely lost the audience lol 😂.
They weren’t going to agree with him either way because, he was basically wanting all us Whovians thrown in along with it lol 😂. Xx
Michael Grade for Master. IMMEDIATELY!!!
So he cancelled doctor who for even shitter shows to stay on air?
Ikr who needs boring soap sheis
The real Master
Dear Chris Chibnall............I am so sorry!
I'm sorry, but I agree with him, Michael grade, you had bad ass villains, with unbrave storytelling with sometimes a good lead as the doctor, sometimes not. And besides it's all subjective anyway
subjectivity doesn't matter in this case, he shouldn't be hired for his subjective opinion. Maybe if doctor who was committing a moral conflict but it isn't really. It's not his ground to make a decision to cancel it with reasoning like that.
@@rpmblack7892 the affects were awful
@@andyscott6315 Cause he didn't feel like funding it properly
So basically Grade cancelled Doctor Who because HE didn't like it...never mind the 7- 8 million viewers who were still tuning in every week at the time of the 1985 cancellation (ratings the producers of the revived series could only dream of)? And he slams the show for being cheap looking compared to Star Wars and other Hollywood blockbusters? Well how about simply giving the series an increased budget so that it CAN compete with the more expensive US sci-fi franchises, rather than arrogantly dismissing the wishes of DW's tens of millions of fans worldwide by axing the show?
This man clearly has an ego the size of a mountain... 😡
I didn't know future have i got news for you alumni did room 101
That guy really is a pleb, enough said
He axed “ The Word “as well!
So... Not all bad then.
Oh look what a Leftist snob I'm being!
Cancel a show because of your personal opinion is a pathetic reason because what about the fans who were watching why didn't Care about. Especially the kids.
You do know Michael Grade is a Tory right?
@@harold5337 Funny how people have been convinced that black is white and literal tories are 'leftists'.
Uhhh, Michael Grade is a member of and an outspoken member of the Tory party.
And now people hating female doctor
I wish the bbc would rehire mr grade so he could fix the mess the show has become since chinball ruined everything!
He says he likes it now
Exile him, more like!!
(And we don't need dynasties at the BBC!!)
Knob head grade
On the one hand his arguments against the show were completely disingenuous and contradictory (at the time he criticized it for being too violent for a family audience, yet here he is mocking the idea that such a cheaply made show could ever have scared kids).
On the other hand, in the context of the show in the 1980's, he actually wasn't wrong. The show had pretty much sank to doing its own worst fanfiction at this point. Aside from the occasional rare gem (Enlightenment, Caves of Androzani, Revelation of the Daleks) the whole era was a write-off and largely utterly repellent to an audience with taste.
A story like Warriors of the Deep completely vindicates his statement that the show was 'a waste of licence fee'. As much as I'd want to champion the show against a snide bureaucrat like him, the era was full of own-goals like this. It wasn't 1979 anymore. The fun and wit had gone. It was now a very nasty show that I had little to no love for.
Given the state Doctor Who is in now, I wish they would cancel it now. #CancelDoctorWho
Go fuck yourself.
Elijah Ford gonna cry?
@SHIELDGG Funny because Jodie Whittaker had least episodes.
@SHIELDGG Series 10 is the best of Capaldi, fun and adventures.
Just wait for Chinball to go away and then someone will retcon the Timeless Child
Honestly doctor who to me always had stilted acting and low production value. Prefer Star Trek, can’t understand the cult around doctor who, it’s not good quality, never was, probably never will be. The plots are also ridiculous, and the morals and themes are facile.
Not only do you have your own picture as your icon (egomaniacal much), you have the audacity to promote fucking star trek of all things on a doctor who video. Get a life.
@@Dimension5Productions I also have my face on my facebook profile, my narcissism knows no bounds!!!!! AHHHHH!!!!
Not so!! Not in the old days, and definitely not now!
I always liked Star Trek - but someone once told me it had the values of the US Peace Corps. It was kind of - po-faced. Dr Who was always rather more - quirky!!
(Guy's an anarchist rebel, you know!! 😁)
@@Dimension5Productions To be fair, it *is* valid to compare Dr Who and Star Trek. See my comment below.
@@oneoflokis that's a strong point actually. I do see it from a slanted viewpoint as a yank to you
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought Doctor Who was the worst programme the BBC made, Michael Grade did the right thing axing it, Lorraine Heggessey should never have brought it back.
Watch She-Hulk, crybaby.
Jacob Rowly likes horrible people. Including himself.
So that makes a grand total of 'two' then?
It's sad you complain. What a joke comment!
Dr. Who is terrible.