"Oppose you? Indeed I am going to oppose you, just in the same way that I oppose the Daleks or any other menace to common humanity!" There's gonna be a delay until the next review which is 'The War Machines' and then 'The Smugglers'. A few work and life things happened, but they're on their way!
We forget that despite his appearance this is the Doctor in his youth. He was never a jaded, cranky old man, he was a young, jaded, stubborn, self absorbed mavorick. His companions helped him grow up in a way.
So strange that in two consecutive stories, a companion would get a very fitting and satisfying exit, and the other gets dumped half way through with barely a second thought.
@@UnchainedAmericait results in series 3 just feeling so uneven. You can’t get comfortable with a TARDIS team because they’re going to change literally 2-3 stories later. Like I was really getting a feel for the Doctor, Steven and Vicki team after Time Meddler and Galaxy 4, then they’re suddenly gone in the blink of an eye
Pointing out how the First Doctor has developed since An Unearthly Child, plus the energy-draining machine, makes me wonder if this episode would've worked better as his regeneration story over The Tenth Planet. Then again, having both the regeneration and Steven's departure in the same episode could've been too much at once
I kind of wonder if in universe the doctor is starting his regeneration process Because I'm like other ways of dying a time. Lord seems to be able for my understanding to put off old age for a long while The ward doctor was probably constantly getting the urge to regenerate. But just kept putting it off because he didn't want to waste another life on the war Eleven without The ability lasted thousands of years but immediately started when he got the ability Unlike the first to only lasted a few hundred years Makes me wonder if time lords start to regenerate from old age before their body is fully broken down
It begins with his experience with the Time Destructor in Dalek's Masterplan. He is gradually, over several adventures battered into his renewal into the second Doctor Who. This story. His attack from WOTAN. His sensitivity to the drain of his energy from Mondas etc. Its a subtle arc. It's hard to appreciate now, I think, because so much is missing from this period. The impatience from the production team to write Hartnell out is apparent in season three but in a brilliant way it works dramatically. 'This old body of mine is wearing a bit thin.' Its superbly, if maybe accidentally done.
This is the most Star Trek Doctor Who ever got. I can totally imagine an alien king absorbing Capt Kirk's life-force and then doing a hilarious Shatner impression.
I’ve honestly grown such a strong liking of Steven over the course of his tenure on the show. Him going from half crazed survivor to what is essentially the group dad, keeping The Doctor, Vicki and Dodo in line was just brilliant. He’s just a loveable guy
Peter Pervie was the Blue Peter viewer’s gay uncle, baking cakes and showing us how to make Christmas decorations out of coat hangers. John Noakes was our surrogate crazy uncle who climbed up Nelson’s Column and went free fall parachuting
I think the WHOLE of this story is awesome, not just the first two episodes. The moment Jano ends up with The Doctor’s conscience is brilliant and the whole story is underpinned by one of the best incidental scores ever. Truly underrated for the reasons given but I love all four episodes and is in the top five of the Hartnell Era.
I think this is quietly a pretty good 60s 4 parter, and very overlooked. It's a far better morality play with a lot more moving parts and a lot more for the actors to work from than Galaxy 4 is. It'd be a really interesting one to get returned episodes from.
Glad there is another intellectual that likes steven as much as I do. Think Peter Purve's big finish performances have influenced my love for the character but him and Vicky are definitely my favourite Hartnell companion pairing.
I've been a fan since the 80s, and written music for a couple of Big Finish adventures, and I just absolutely love your reviews. I don't always agree with you, but you always back up your opinions with well-reasoned evidence and your love for the show - at its core - always show through. The Hartnell-era reviews are about my favorite things on RUclips. Keep it up!!
Such a shame, two of Ian Stuart Black's stories are completely missing, cos this guy had really interesting ideas about control, technology and dystopian societies.
I suspect that the banality of the Elders' environment is probably the point. It's a decadent insularity confined only to those few who are deemed worthy. Like a lot of sixties telly, the sparseness of a set can indicate a less than salubrious society. Indeed, it could be said that the Elders are deluding themselves that their utopia is in any way genuine. However, that's just my interpretation of things.
This story always made me wonder what happens after the Doctor leaves a companion behind. Do they still have the 'gift' of the TARDIS and are able to understand what the locals are saying? How long does this 'gift' last?
I can wait until the next story William will talk about The War Machines, One of my favourite stories from the Hartnell era, It will take a while before he'll review this and the last one he'll do The Smugglers.
I love these classic reviews, currently working my way through Hartnell now and watch them right afterwards. This format would even work as a podcast don’t know if you ever thought about releasing just the audio as well, be handy to listen whilst in work lol
I doubt it will ever happen, because why would people ever prioritise it, but i would LOVE to have an animated recreation of this one or maybe even find some lost episodes. Such a great core concept!
The savages is a good doctor who story this story needs animated at some point in the future Mr tardis please like my comment please because we need the scavenges animated on dvd and blue ray because we need to see how Steve depart the tardis and leaves the first doctor and says goodbye to the first doctor and dodo
There seems to be a recurring theme with certain stories in the Hartnell era where they would start great from its first and second parts but would then see a decline in quality once at the half way point. Think about it; for example, The Space Museum, great first part with brilliant setup, mystery and an iconic cliffhanger but falls flat sometime into part 2. The Ark which I personally enjoyed most of the way through has two great opening episodes and another great cliffhanger only for weak unintentionally funny villains and questionable messaging. Quite funny isn’t it. Also, next to Ian, Steven is probably my favourite Hartnell companion followed by Vicki.
Unironic, Frederick Jaeger was born in Berlin, but his family fled from Germany after Hiter's rise to power. To have Jaeger play a role as Jano, in a sort of Hitler-esque episode must've been a tough one for him.
As you people know by now the late Ian Stuart Black would write two more stroies after The Savages, The next one 'The War Machines' from a idea by Cybermen co-creator the late Kit Pedler and of course the story we all pretend they doesn't exist The Macra Terror.
An episode pretty much about doctor who fans having morels that the doctor would definitely not agree with has aged really well when you look at some doctor who fans today
One thing I'm starting to like about this early season is the transition from one companion to another. Because the Doctor has multiple companions, one leaving does not mean a reset for the Doctor like it did in the new series under Davies and Moffat. One of the few good things Doctor Who had during Chibnall's run with keeping one companion consistent with the other companions coming and going. That being said, in the new series with the exception of Rose and Clara, no companion had stuck around pre/post regeneration. Instead characters like Donna and Bill were removed prior to the regeneration. And yes I know that had to do with showrunners changing, but it seems like a smoother transition was happening early on in Doctor Who than having the "Davies Series" then "Moffat Series" then "Chibnall Series". Maybe that's the sales pitch to get new people into Doctor Who, or older people to return. "Don't like Moffat? Skip a few seasons."
I’ve been binging classic Doctor who and I’ve been using your reviews to fill in the gaps of episodes that are missing because the reconstructions are actually unwatchable.
The next big project will be the 60th Anniversary specials as well as the upcoming Christmas special, but after that I'm thinking of stepping away from Classic just for a bit and going to the 10th Doctor with Series 2 (and perhaps Series 3 if I'm feeling spicy). After that, we'll see where we are but I definitely want to move onto Troughton at some point.
I haven't actually listened to their episode on 'The Savages' yet! I really enjoy them, but I make sure to listen to them after I've written by review so I'm not influenced.
"Oppose you? Indeed I am going to oppose you, just in the same way that I oppose the Daleks or any other menace to common humanity!"
There's gonna be a delay until the next review which is 'The War Machines' and then 'The Smugglers'. A few work and life things happened, but they're on their way!
We forget that despite his appearance this is the Doctor in his youth. He was never a jaded, cranky old man, he was a young, jaded, stubborn, self absorbed mavorick. His companions helped him grow up in a way.
So strange that in two consecutive stories, a companion would get a very fitting and satisfying exit, and the other gets dumped half way through with barely a second thought.
At least he didn't leave her in a ruined city with a guy she barely knows like the last two
Yah, Jone Wiles was big on destroying the Companions before they could settle in.
@@UnchainedAmericait results in series 3 just feeling so uneven. You can’t get comfortable with a TARDIS team because they’re going to change literally 2-3 stories later. Like I was really getting a feel for the Doctor, Steven and Vicki team after Time Meddler and Galaxy 4, then they’re suddenly gone in the blink of an eye
Steven is definitely one of the most underrated companions in Doctor Who
No. One of the greatest.
Pointing out how the First Doctor has developed since An Unearthly Child, plus the energy-draining machine, makes me wonder if this episode would've worked better as his regeneration story over The Tenth Planet. Then again, having both the regeneration and Steven's departure in the same episode could've been too much at once
I kind of wonder if in universe the doctor is starting his regeneration process
Because I'm like other ways of dying a time. Lord seems to be able for my understanding to put off old age for a long while
The ward doctor was probably constantly getting the urge to regenerate. But just kept putting it off because he didn't want to waste another life on the war
Eleven without The ability lasted thousands of years but immediately started when he got the ability Unlike the first to only lasted a few hundred years
Makes me wonder if time lords start to regenerate from old age before their body is fully broken down
It begins with his experience with the Time Destructor in Dalek's Masterplan. He is gradually, over several adventures battered into his renewal into the second Doctor Who. This story. His attack from WOTAN. His sensitivity to the drain of his energy from Mondas etc. Its a subtle arc. It's hard to appreciate now, I think, because so much is missing from this period. The impatience from the production team to write Hartnell out is apparent in season three but in a brilliant way it works dramatically. 'This old body of mine is wearing a bit thin.' Its superbly, if maybe accidentally done.
This is the most Star Trek Doctor Who ever got. I can totally imagine an alien king absorbing Capt Kirk's life-force and then doing a hilarious Shatner impression.
That would be dangerous, they’d be shagging everyone all over the damn place
I’ve honestly grown such a strong liking of Steven over the course of his tenure on the show. Him going from half crazed survivor to what is essentially the group dad, keeping The Doctor, Vicki and Dodo in line was just brilliant. He’s just a loveable guy
16:40 the city is named “look how far the main character has come” and the planet is named “plot device used to give the city land”
Peter Pervie was the Blue Peter viewer’s gay uncle, baking cakes and showing us how to make Christmas decorations out of coat hangers. John Noakes was our surrogate crazy uncle who climbed up Nelson’s Column and went free fall parachuting
I think the WHOLE of this story is awesome, not just the first two episodes. The moment Jano ends up with The Doctor’s conscience is brilliant and the whole story is underpinned by one of the best incidental scores ever. Truly underrated for the reasons given but I love all four episodes and is in the top five of the Hartnell Era.
Over the course of this marathon-turned-longathon, I have really come to appreciate the first Doctor and his characterisation.
"All progress is based on exploitation" hits differently with foreknowledge of the Timeless Child twist.
This is why I look forward to this serial getting animated, they could really go all out in how the city SHOULD look!
I think this one would definitely benefit from being animated.
I think this is quietly a pretty good 60s 4 parter, and very overlooked.
It's a far better morality play with a lot more moving parts and a lot more for the actors to work from than Galaxy 4 is. It'd be a really interesting one to get returned episodes from.
Glad there is another intellectual that likes steven as much as I do. Think Peter Purve's big finish performances have influenced my love for the character but him and Vicky are definitely my favourite Hartnell companion pairing.
I've been a fan since the 80s, and written music for a couple of Big Finish adventures, and I just absolutely love your reviews. I don't always agree with you, but you always back up your opinions with well-reasoned evidence and your love for the show - at its core - always show through. The Hartnell-era reviews are about my favorite things on RUclips. Keep it up!!
Such a shame, two of Ian Stuart Black's stories are completely missing, cos this guy had really interesting ideas about control, technology and dystopian societies.
I suspect that the banality of the Elders' environment is probably the point. It's a decadent insularity confined only to those few who are deemed worthy. Like a lot of sixties telly, the sparseness of a set can indicate a less than salubrious society. Indeed, it could be said that the Elders are deluding themselves that their utopia is in any way genuine. However, that's just my interpretation of things.
The "Merry Christmas" line was sent to the people back on his home planet. That's why the Monk showed up again in the next episode.
This story always made me wonder what happens after the Doctor leaves a companion behind. Do they still have the 'gift' of the TARDIS and are able to understand what the locals are saying? How long does this 'gift' last?
Mr TARDIS, challenge Bowlestrek to find a non-political Hartnell story 😂
I can wait until the next story William will talk about The War Machines, One of my favourite stories from the Hartnell era, It will take a while before he'll review this and the last one he'll do The Smugglers.
the elders would be very popular in Hollywood...
I love these classic reviews, currently working my way through Hartnell now and watch them right afterwards. This format would even work as a podcast don’t know if you ever thought about releasing just the audio as well, be handy to listen whilst in work lol
One of the most underrated stories, but still steven and peter purves for that matter deserved better, a really underapreaciated talent😢
I really wish we could see The Myth Makers. I really don't think you'd think it that bad if we could actually see it...!
I doubt it will ever happen, because why would people ever prioritise it, but i would LOVE to have an animated recreation of this one or maybe even find some lost episodes. Such a great core concept!
The savages is a good doctor who story this story needs animated at some point in the future Mr tardis please like my comment please because we need the scavenges animated on dvd and blue ray because we need to see how Steve depart the tardis and leaves the first doctor and says goodbye to the first doctor and dodo
Great piece about a terrific story. Thank you.
Loved the ending regarding the cursed prop 🤣🤣
Oh my, this story had potential. Just needed some more development
Great review, Trilbee!
There seems to be a recurring theme with certain stories in the Hartnell era where they would start great from its first and second parts but would then see a decline in quality once at the half way point.
Think about it; for example, The Space Museum, great first part with brilliant setup, mystery and an iconic cliffhanger but falls flat sometime into part 2. The Ark which I personally enjoyed most of the way through has two great opening episodes and another great cliffhanger only for weak unintentionally funny villains and questionable messaging. Quite funny isn’t it.
Also, next to Ian, Steven is probably my favourite Hartnell companion followed by Vicki.
Unironic, Frederick Jaeger was born in Berlin, but his family fled from Germany after Hiter's rise to power. To have Jaeger play a role as Jano, in a sort of Hitler-esque episode must've been a tough one for him.
Thank you for the review. I had never seen Steven's departure. Only read the novelization.
My love of the Target novelisation makes this the mising Hartnell story that I'd most like to see found/animated!
As you people know by now the late Ian Stuart Black would write two more stroies after The Savages, The next one 'The War Machines' from a idea by Cybermen co-creator the late Kit Pedler and of course the story we all pretend they doesn't exist The Macra Terror.
Macra? There are no Macra
@@mimkyodar Knew it.
An episode pretty much about doctor who fans having morels that the doctor would definitely not agree with has aged really well when you look at some doctor who fans today
it's my 20th birthday today😍
One thing I'm starting to like about this early season is the transition from one companion to another. Because the Doctor has multiple companions, one leaving does not mean a reset for the Doctor like it did in the new series under Davies and Moffat. One of the few good things Doctor Who had during Chibnall's run with keeping one companion consistent with the other companions coming and going.
That being said, in the new series with the exception of Rose and Clara, no companion had stuck around pre/post regeneration. Instead characters like Donna and Bill were removed prior to the regeneration. And yes I know that had to do with showrunners changing, but it seems like a smoother transition was happening early on in Doctor Who than having the "Davies Series" then "Moffat Series" then "Chibnall Series".
Maybe that's the sales pitch to get new people into Doctor Who, or older people to return. "Don't like Moffat? Skip a few seasons."
I’ve been binging classic Doctor who and I’ve been using your reviews to fill in the gaps of episodes that are missing because the reconstructions are actually unwatchable.
They are fine imo. I still enjoy them on entertaining, dialogue heavy stories like Marco Polo
I have a soft spot for this story, the loose cannon recon is also one of their best!
Looks like the celestial toy maker had one last trick on him
Lets hope that singaporw copy is found
Obviously not right away as you’ve earnt a well needed brake. But are you going to be going through the second dr in similar detail.
The next big project will be the 60th Anniversary specials as well as the upcoming Christmas special, but after that I'm thinking of stepping away from Classic just for a bit and going to the 10th Doctor with Series 2 (and perhaps Series 3 if I'm feeling spicy). After that, we'll see where we are but I definitely want to move onto Troughton at some point.
@@MrTARDISohh thats a very good idea, really looking forward to all of that 😊
The first story not to use individual episode titles 🎩
Someone’s been listening to the missing episodes podcast 😂
I haven't actually listened to their episode on 'The Savages' yet! I really enjoy them, but I make sure to listen to them after I've written by review so I'm not influenced.
@@MrTARDIS Oh it wasn’t a criticism I just noticed a few similarities. I’m so glad someone else thinks that Steven is the best Hartnell companion 😄
👍
Steven looks so handsome with a beard, I wish he didn't shave.
Did any Companion get a decent/happy send off in Classic Doctor Who?
Perhaps the most overlooked missing story. Should be animated
if you could choose 2 adventures to be animated this year what would they be
The Wheel in Space and The Celestial Toymaker for me. We can get a Season 5 boxset and see the Toymakers first full appearance
Ad then he left Dr Who to present Blue Peter...
The fact that the writer didn’t consider himself a success until he wrote for something his children were fans of is kinda sweet
Any more news yet on the missing episode they are restoring?👍👍🏳🌈☘ Like & Subscribe gals, gents & respectable humans.