Evan just skipped right over Eli's Giants beating a 15-1 Rodgers led Packers team in Green Bay... That Packers team was the best team in Football that season had great players all around Rodgers on both sides of the ball with 7 pro Bowlers 4 on offense and 3 on defense with multiple All-Pro selections but even then Eli's team didn't only win but he thoroughly outplayed Rodgers. Evan didn't want to discuss that
Yes that was a horrible loss for Rodgers.. It was the first of many times he'd be favored big time in a playoff game and come up small.. Even thought the Giants came into the game HOT, nearly all the media had the Giants getting clobbered in that game.. Giants won that game by 17pts, with Eli handily outplaying Rodgers won the MVP that year..
@@dbreiden83080 Rodgers never came up small in the playoffs. Statistically speaking, he's the best postseason QB in NFL history. His team came up small.
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others. Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
Hold on. Let's not remove contexts. That 2011 Packers defense was ranked 32nd in the league. And didn't that same Giants team go on to beat the so-called goat in the super bowl??
Exactly Evan doesn’t understand. Evan defends Mark Sanchez against the Butt Fumble cause he took his Jets to AFC CHAMPIONSHIP Games. Imagine if he won 2 SBs he would be defending him over Rodgers cause he won 2 SBs for his Jets. He’s a hypocrite.
Funny to listen to him take up for Rodgers like he's been a Jet for 10 years LOL.. In 10 years Jet fans will NOT look back on the Old Man Rogers experiment fondly..
Aaron Rodgers has reached the playoffs 12 times and has won 1 Super Bowl. That is a winning percentage of 8.33%. Eli Manning has reached the playoffs 6 times with 2 Super Bowls. That is a 33.33 % winning percentage. Aaron has had the better regular season career. Eli has had the better playoff career and more rings. Herm Edward's says "You play to win the game."
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others. Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
@@jimwerther he’s a 2 time Super Bowl champion, played just about every game for only one organization. Numbers are still good. Made a ton of money right after retirement.
@@cjandersonjr.8855 The question wasn't about whose retirement is/was better, or who had more time in one place. The question is whose career as QB was better. Answer: Rodgers, obviously.
@@jimwerther everything I listed is part of Eli’s career. Rodgers may have been the more talented QB but Eli’s career is one that many rookie QBs would take in a second. Two championships and play just about every game of your career. A great teammate and well respected. I could end the conversation at two championships alone at this point. If you prefer personal accomplishments, go with Rodgers but I’d rather the two championships, rarely if ever miss a game and be well respected by all your teammates.
@@cjandersonjr.8855 .500 QB who may or may not make the Hall of Fame, vs one of the Top Three QBs of all time. We should be able to agree that if Eli had played his whole career in GB and Rodgers with the Giants, then Eli would have no rings and Rodgers several. But hey, it is your right to prefer Eli's career to Rodgers's. I'm just not sure if the question implied everything you included in your answer.
also regarding 2007, yes I of course understand the argument about the defense carrying Eli. But Eli actually played quite well that postseason run. Perhaps the best stretch of football he played to that point in his career. He didn't throw an INT until the Super Bowl, and we know how prone he was to throwing INTs. So it's not like the defense had to make up for bad QB play. You had solid QB play to go along with great defense. Also let's not forget what he did through the air in that NFC Championship Game in Green Bay. And anybody who says the defense carried Eli in 2011 is an idiot who clearly didn't watch the Giants that season 😂
This is a great discussion. HOWEVER!! I'm tried of the Eli Manning disrespect, let's be clear here. Does Aaron Rodgers throws a prettier ball? YES. Is Aaron Rodger more athletic than Eli sure. BUT!! Guys remember not only did Eli win two SB''s,remember who he beat in those SB's?? (TWICE IN HIS PRIME) One of them Eli destroyed their undefeated season,does that not count for anything? How many QB's in the NFL can say they beat Brady,let alone beat him twice,also let's be clear Eli beat Aaron Rodgers & Brett Farve both in their primes in Green Bay. I can also make.an argument that Bradys first two SB's were Patriot Defense,and a kicker that won his beginning SB's. After that that's when Brady started coming into his own,Eli was the driving force for both his rings. Finally MVP's are nice but that is an individual achievement,championships make your legacy & is a team goal. STOP IT!!!
Nick foles got a Super Bowl, Jimmy G almost won one but only 13 Quarterbacks in history won 2 or more super bowls, I‘m sorry give me Eli Manning‘s career
U would think a player that is soooo much better and going to the playoffs way more and playing in a weaker division would have more playoff success and Super Bowls
Why do Eli haters call him .500 qb when it doesn't include his post season record of 8-4?? So we should just ignore his post season record because it doesn't fit your narrative or agenda??😂😂😂
Eli beat the two GOATs of all time in the NFL with top-20 defenses against the Patriots’ top-tier team on both sides of the ball. If this had happened to Rodgers, there would be an endless discussion on who the real GOAT is. People would bring up stats and MVPs and regular-season performances, but this isn’t allowed for Marino, Montana, or Elway? Peyton vs. Brady somehow makes NFL fans believe Rodgers is better, which is blasphemy. Arguably one of the heaviest superbowls ring on validation all time as well.
Evan’s just mad that Eli got to do something all his own dopey failed jets quarterbacks could never do which was slaying the dragon Tom Brady. Eli had to do it for him twice while the jets and the rest of the AL East gifted patriots free trips to the Super Bowl. And you know the funny thing about all of this? Once Rodgers is finally done and retired and doesn’t give the jets a Super Bowl appearance, Evan’s gonna turn on him too just like how he’s turn on every other loser player for the Jets, the Mets and the Nets.
@@vinnythewebsurfer No, Evan is using his brain, while some Giants' fans comenting here are reacting emotionally. Go ask fans around the league whise career they'd rather have.
@@jimwerther your comment was emotional, mine was just stating facts on opposing football views. Even the greats who didn’t win would traded hall of fame careers for a ring they’ve said multiple times through the years. Stroud is right and Rodgers has had fair more better teams offenses coaching and home field advantage to get more failed two times more getting back then Eli. When Rodgers had far less talent division in his prime. Rodgers Champion prime Eli went in his home field while they were defending champions in Green Bay at the time got his second ring. So Stroud was on point fans just hate facts.
@@XxDanny80xX Actually, I brought facts. You know who beat Brady head-to-head? Nick Foles. Want to put him in Canton as well? Most comments around here are clearly Giants' fans reacting emotionally instead of intelligently, and that would include the commenter to whom I responded above. Rodgers's career was light years ahead of Eli's, something no serious person could dispute. And I have nothing against Eli, but he's no Rodgers, obviously. In a standalone comment I wrote in response to this video, you can see where I demonstrated statistically Rodgers's single-handed raising of GB to a new level. All you need to do is look at how they did with him and then without him in the years in which he missed significant time. As a GB columnist put it at the time, GB was Cleveland (then a laughingstock) plus Aaron Rodgers. He was the difference between them being a joke to being a perennial playoff team. Then look at Rodgers's postseason numbers, which Tom Brady could only dream of having. Rodgers is a Top Three all time QB. Eli may not be Top 25. As to rings, would you really rather be Zack DeOssie than Dan Fouts?
@@jimwerther yea he’s using his brain to not even answer the original question and instead is making it about hypotheticals in order to ignore the reality and other factors that make up a players legacy; not just stats. We’re talking about whose career would you rather have, not “who’s the better QB” or “who would you have rather drafted.”
Most of Eli's mates were bums lets be serious about that.. He has some really top level guys on D but on O.. No Hall of famers whatsoever.. Burress was his best receiver.. Followed by Cruz.. Anyone putting Cruz up there with the best WR of his era?
@@gianpopo2007 BINGO!! Who was Eli's best receiver? Burress.. He made ZERO Pro bowls. He was very talented and put up some numbers but still no pro bowls.. And shooting himself in that night club wrecked the Giants 2008 season. Cruz an undersized but elite receiver made 1 pro bowl however injuries wrecked his career post 2012..
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others. Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others. Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
Evan completely missed the question. It wasn't who's the better QB, that's easy it's Rogers. The question was who had a better career, again easy, Eli.
Also im surprised they didnt bring Big Ben into this conversation because hes basically the middle ground between the two 🤷🏾♂️ he had great regular season play and 2 sbs. 3 appearances i think sooo...
It's not just that Eli won 2 super bowls. It's also who he beat. He beat the undefeated 18-0 NE Patriots with their high powered offense. And then beat them again. Do he beat the GOAT HC and the GOAT QB in TB12.
If I wanted the regular season accolades, I'd pick Aaron Rodgers. If I wanted the playoff accolades, I'm taking Eli. Talent wise there's no question that Aaron is the better QB by a large margin. I don't think anyone who loves football will dispute that. HOWEVER... there's something intangible about winning a championship for New York City that can't be discounted. And both times it required almost miraculous postseason runs with nearly perfect QB play from Eli, I mean his playoff stats in those championship runs, it's like looking at a totally different QB compared to what he did for the majority of his career. In those 2 runs, I think he played in only one home game as well. He had to beat the 13-3 Cowboys, 15-1 Packers, 17-0 Patriots... I mean good lord. He had to beat Romo, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady twice...and while it's not an individual player, that 2011 49ers defense deserves to be mentioned. It had *THREE* 1st-team All Pros on it, and numerous pro bowlers. Guys like Patrick Willis, Donte Whitner, NaVorro Bowman, Carlos Rogers. Or guys like Frank Gore and Vernon Davis on the offense. He had to beat a lot of hall of famers lol. And that 07 Pats team is among the greatest teams ever assembled, some would argue THE best. While the Giants defense played a large role in those super bowl wins, Eli deserves a ton of credit for how he played during those playoff runs as well. I'm pretty sure they were the underdogs in every single matchup in those 07 and '11 playoffs. So yea, it's an interesting conversation to have. I don't think it's absolutely CRAZY for Stroud to say Eli, it's just an opinion after all. I don't think most people would share that opinion, but I understand it. I will say there's zero conversation to be had whatsoever if Aaron wins another one and does it with the NY Jets. That door will be slammed shut lol.
Here’s the way I see it. Aaron Rodgers is clearly the better player he’s made the playoffs more which means he’s had more opportunities to win Super Bowls yet Eli has more that’s a knock on Aaron Rodgers. And by the way Eli won 2 SBs for Giants fans they r gonna defend him. Aaron Rodgers has literally done nothing for the Jets yet Evan Roberts is blindly defending him.
Note: WE MUST MAKE A DIFFERENTIATION HERE. The question of, "Who had the better career" is not the same as "Who was the better QB?" They are totally separate and unrelated questions. While you can make the case for Eli having the better career, you can't objectively make the case for Eli being the better QB. Rodgers, in his prime, until Patrick Mahomes came along, was considered, by many (including many non-packer fans) the most well-rounded and physically gifted QB in league history and he is statistically better than Eli in every major passing category. I know the question was whose career was better. I won't fight anyone for saying it's Eli (as long as the reasoning behind that is he won one extra ring). But it's worth pointing out that this question is not necessarily unflawed as it can imply that the better career does equate to that player being better than the other. Nobody, unless you're probably a biased Giants fan, would say Eli was a better QB and if your basis for saying he was, is because he has one more ring, consider this: He has no MVPs, Rodgers has 4. Eli has no all-pros. Rodgers has 4, again. Eli has 4 pro bowls. Rodgers has 10. Rodgers was a HOF All-2010's Decade Team QB. Eli made no all-decade teams. Eli led the NFL in interceptions, twice. Rodgers has only thrown double digit interception totals in a season, three times in 15 years. Rodgers, at his best, his peak, was at least considered in #1 NFL QB discussions, also involving a former Patriots QB. Eli was never considered top-5 in his era. (All of these accolades and statistics I just laid out are INDIVIDUAL accomplishments, btw. These reflect what and how the PLAYER did, independent of overall team success stats, which I will now be covering in the following sentences.) Eli was a .500 regular season QB, contributing to a 117-117-0 record. Rodgers had more success, contributing to a 148-75-1 record. Eli made the playoffs 6 times. Rodgers made it 11 times. Between the two Super Bowl title years in 2007 and 2011, the Giants defense in the playoffs only gave up a combined 15 PPG average. Rodgers' defenses from 2008-2019, in 18 playoff games, allowed a whopping 27 PPG average. For reference, Brady's 24 games in that same timespan saw his defenses only allow a 23 PPG average and he was 3-2 in super bowls. I don't understand how the saying, "Defense wins championships" has gotten lost here. But back to the point, it's important to not confuse "better career" with "better player." These are NOT the same question. You want to make the case for Eli having the better CAREER, that's fine with me, again. But the differentiation between the two questions is critical to understand and keep in mind when having this discussion so as to keep context.
My favorite part of this when Evan tried to brag about how many more times Rodgers brought the Packers to the playoffs, it actually weakened his argument because he went so many times without winning anything lol
Eli got 2 rings. Beat an undefeated team and brady twice. That alone is something Rodgers cant do. He fails in the playoffs. Eli Manning all day. He is true blue through and through... An Ironman in league history... And a consummate professional. Stop the hate. Dude is a Giants legend.
Eli, without a doubt. Two Superbowl wins. Big time plays in the clutch in both Superbowl wins. And more importantly, he did it with class. Yeah, he was kind of goofy. So what? Eli conducted himself with class, never seeking the limelight, and was a team first player. Rodgers has become more of a clown as the years have passed. I understand these days and times. Class and being a gentleman aren't the norm. But it means something for those who conduct themselves accordingly.
Eli Manning's career is a lot better 💪 than Aaron Rodgers. Here is why: 1) Two Super Bowl MVP 2) 2nd QB plays the most straight games. 3) Best winning record against "Tom Brady", especially two victories in the Super Bowl 4) Most comeback wins
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others. Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
Eli beat Rogers in the biggest match up they had, with a better team. Do you want to have a big team at the big moments or do you want Dan Marino's stat hogging and big losses? Keep in mind, Eli is beloved by the NYC area and the team management for his professionalism and clutch play-plus his sense of humor. And he is beloved by teammates. Aaron is pretty hated back in GB and teammates
even 2016, Eli showed up in that Wild Card game. Rest of the team unfortunately didn't. And once Rodgers-Cromartie went down, it was curtains. Defense couldn't do shit
and he played on the Metlife turf for 9 seasons lmao. With a terrible OL for what, like 6 of those seasons? At least? Not to mention he was never known for his mobility of elusiveness
Under-achieving Aaron Rodgers, with all that talent, winning one Super Bowl and never even getting to a second. Part of all-time QB rating is the ability to rally a team to championship level. Rodgers has done relatively little with the gifts he was given.
If Eli was such a great teammate, he would’ve hung it up two or three years earlier than he did. He set the Giants back because they wanted to stay honorable to him.
if eli was a little more selfish he would have said trade me in 2013 since you arent putting a team around me. he stuck it out through the awful teams around him.
His o line went to crap. Wasn’t his fault. His skills didn’t drop off completely. He lost some of his escapability and no doubt had some PTSD from how many hits he was taking. He still could have succeeded if they gave him a competent line
@@LaceyLaws Oline went to crap is an understatement. His Oline went to crap. His receivers got hurt. His running game was non existent and the defense was horrible every year except for 2016. The decline of the team started in 2010, which was the middle of Eli's prime. He carried them to the superbowl in 2011, but the giants have limped on for the past 15 years. He should have demanded a trade in 2013 when his contract was up or left in free agency. but he stuck it out
I love both QB's so this is a tough one, but let's not pretend like Aaron Rodgers hasn't completely fallen apart in the playoffs since he won that ring. Several years as a #1 seed and that defense thing is a farce, they have had top 10 defenses several times in those playoff runs.
Starting QBs with more than one Super Bowl title: 7: Brady; 4: Bradshaw, Montana; 3: Aikman, Mahomes; 2: Starr, Griese, Staubach, Plunkett, Elway, E. Manning, P. Manning, Roethlisburger No Rodgers on that list. He's not a team leader, team builder. He's a Me-first diva with a career-long persecution complex.
And I know Aaron Rodgers couldn't rally any of his teams to a Super Bowl, except that one time. Leadership has to be an element of QB play and QB assessment, and in terms of leadership, Rodgers is closer to Jeff George than he is to Eli Manning.
@@jimwerther ok…. I think it’s pretty remarkable to stay healthy all that time. Over half the league’s starting qbs missed time last year alone. So… ok, you don’t want to give it to him on that alone… that’s where you pair his accomplishments in the post season and the Super Bowl against the consensus GOATs of the sport with his iron man feat and you can’t deny him. No way.
@@jimwerther bruh the Giants' offensive line has been shit since like 2012, once guys like O Hara, Snee, Seubert, McKenzie and Deihl got old/retired. Still is shit to this day 😂. And it's not like Eli was a mobile QB. Even in 2011 the Giants had the worst rushing attack in the league. Part of that certainly has to fall on the OL performance
Aaron Rodgers never beat an undefeated team in the superbowl. The biggest stage ever. Eli Manning did it not once but twice vs the goat Tom Brady. Aaron Rodgers can't ever say that. Sorry Eli is a bigtime quarterback with everything on the line. His playoff stats are also one of the best ever. He's involved in two of the greatest playoff runs all time ever. He actually had 3 titles in his hand but taken away by a wide receiver walking in a nightclub with a gun a few weeks before the start of the playoffs
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To say Eli had the worst Oline in his last 4 years is an understatement. The difference between 31st and 32nd has been STARK!! The Giants have the worst offensive line I have ever seen in my life and it’s not close.
If let's say a player jumps from team to team and only gathers let's say 300 yards for each team a year but has 6 superbowl rings would he be worth more than a guy that that has 1 superbowl ring with 4 or 5 mvps? I think not...
Is bias is outrageous because the one year Aaron Rodgers won his Super Bowl the Packers had a great defense. Look it up! You're not allowed to Discount Eliza championships because of the Giants great defense
The one thing that I'd ask Evan is, How bad has Eli's career after his career? He's not doing too bad. Aaron is the better QB, but Eli has had the results. and I have no dog in the fight, just saying...
Evan is showing his hypocrisy at its finest. He’s bragging about Rodgers making playoffs all the time. Yet the Rangers make the playoffs all the time but always fail to win the championship. And Evan always points this out when they r eliminated. Now with Rodgers it’s not about championships.
Wfan the flagship station for the Giants continues to hate on Eli Manning at this point it's just lazy and boring to think that way even bizarre the haters never stop
@@donaldkochersperger8074 Eli won playoff games in a total of two postseasons in his life. He lost every playoff game besides those two. How's that? Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that your theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
@@donaldkochersperger8074 Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others. Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others. Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
I think in the situation you should take Aaron Rodgers career because it’s not over yet. One is already written the other, even though it’s at its end. Could have a crazy ending…
While I think Evan is wrong, the biggest issue is how arrogant he is in thinking that he is right. An argument could be made for either guy. It’s not some obvious answer. I don’t know what’s going on with Evan but he has been intolerable lately
What Eli Manning did & who he did it to twice then add who the Giants were & who they knocked down the Aron Rogers Packers the frozen tundra then Eli won at the 49ers while getting a beat down & keep getting up like Hollywood movie & to stopped the perfect seasons the Patriots unbeaten streak what Eli Manning & the NY G'men aka David vs Goliath Eli stopped history..GO BLUE 🧢🤗
Bro Eli all day! also did these idiots forget that Rodgers literally had the best most stacked team in football in 2011 (15-1) but got bodied and outplayed by my giants and Eli. That ebds the argument there. Also eli had horrible teams basically from 2013- the end of his career with the 2016 defense caring them to the post season. Ridgers has had good-great teams most of his career and still always choked in the playoffs. Rodgers got his revenge in 2016 but rewarch that game. Eli was making great throws and plays but all his recievers decided to leave their hands in miami!
100% regarding 2016, Eli showed up but nobody else did. And that great defense that carried them to the playoffs that season was not the same when Rodgers-Cromartie went down in the first half
ELI STAY ON THE FIELD NEVER CAME OFF THE FIELD BUT 1 AND HE PLAYED FOR 1 TEAM AND HE HE NEVER SAID GET THIS PLAYER AND THAT PLAYER EVAN LOST IN PICKLE BALL
I like Eli but he missed the playoffs more often then he made it and is a .500 QB. I give him all the credit for the 2 Super Bowl runs but outside of that he’s an average QB
2008 Giants are the best team in the league until Plax shot his leg... So stop. Eli is clearly better career. Rodgers choked a lot in the playoffs... A lot!
Okay first off Eli Beat Tom Brady when Tom Brady went 17 -0 with Randy Moss, in regular season and was the hottest team in the NFL. So saying Eli/team got hot destroys your argument. Because they beat the hottest team in the NFL quite literally. Your a dingleberry. Also he came back and beat Brady for a second time. This is just not winning one extra super bowl. This is beating the greatest quarterback who won seven super bowls twice. End of discussion.
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others. Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. How's that working out for you?
Evan fucking stop it Roger’s teams almost always where better overall than the giants defense and offense stop the capping and I fucking hate people always saying the 2007 giants had a elite defense they where ranked 17 in the lg that yr now don’t get me wrong they was number one in sacks but points per and everything else they was middle of the road 17th all this non sense like we was the 2000 ravens or the 86 bears is fucking non sense we just got hot in the playoffs both superbowl runs
Aside from winning 1 more Superbowl than Rodgers.I just believe Eli Manning makes his teams worse than Rodgers. Eli Manning would just throw it up and Cruz,Odell, burress or Hakeem hicks would just up and get it.
You think Eli would rather have better looking stats in exchange for 1 less ring and everyone thinking he never got to reach his true potential and is kind of an annoying douchebag?
You’re not understanding the point it’s about being a fan of a team what would you rather have more rings or individual stats? the goal is to have your team win championships but you’re probably a Jets fan so don’t know about that
I am so Glad you mentioned Marino.. The answer to that one is 100% yes in favor of Eli... Watch Dan's football life documentary. Right off the bat he was asked "There has to be a best QB to never win a SB, is it cool that's you or does it suck that's you" The look of annoyance and disappointment on his face said it all.. And when they went over his 1 SB appearance/loss to Montana and the 49ers again the look of annoyance and disappointment on his face said it all.. Marino and Eli will both be in the HOF. But Eli has his 2 rings and will always feel 100% complete as a player.. Marino does NOT.. You can tell..
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others. Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. I rest my case.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017. Year with Rodgers without Rodgers -------- ---------------------- --------------------------- 2010 10 - 4 0 - 2 2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1 2017 4 - 2 3 - 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1 I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them. No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers. And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball. Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you: 304 Yards 3 TDs 0 INTs Rating 111.5 Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year? The Steelers. How's that?
@@Chiefs767 Yeah he beat the greatest QB ever from what everyone says. I would rather have the Superbowls then individual success. Rodgers in the biggest moments disappears
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Eli beat the GOAT twice! I can’t even remember who Farve’s little brother played.
Evan just skipped right over Eli's Giants beating a 15-1 Rodgers led Packers team in Green Bay... That Packers team was the best team in Football that season had great players all around Rodgers on both sides of the ball with 7 pro Bowlers 4 on offense and 3 on defense with multiple All-Pro selections but even then Eli's team didn't only win but he thoroughly outplayed Rodgers. Evan didn't want to discuss that
Yes that was a horrible loss for Rodgers.. It was the first of many times he'd be favored big time in a playoff game and come up small.. Even thought the Giants came into the game HOT, nearly all the media had the Giants getting clobbered in that game.. Giants won that game by 17pts, with Eli handily outplaying Rodgers won the MVP that year..
Thank you
@@dbreiden83080
Rodgers never came up small in the playoffs. Statistically speaking, he's the best postseason QB in NFL history. His team came up small.
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
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2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
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Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
Hold on. Let's not remove contexts. That 2011 Packers defense was ranked 32nd in the league. And didn't that same Giants team go on to beat the so-called goat in the super bowl??
Best episode by far. It's Eli all the way
Eli Manning 100%… it’s all about Rings and the road to get there… Eli manning beat a 16-0 and a 15-1 team to win his SBs
that 15-1 team being quarterbacked by an MVP Aaron Rodgers no less
Evan talks exactly like a guy who doesn’t know what it feels like to watch his team win a championship.
Exactly Evan doesn’t understand. Evan defends Mark Sanchez against the Butt Fumble cause he took his Jets to AFC CHAMPIONSHIP Games. Imagine if he won 2 SBs he would be defending him over Rodgers cause he won 2 SBs for his Jets. He’s a hypocrite.
Funny to listen to him take up for Rodgers like he's been a Jet for 10 years LOL.. In 10 years Jet fans will NOT look back on the Old Man Rogers experiment fondly..
The problem is Giants' fans talking like fans instead of thinking
How many championships did tiki win
@@jaysoncollins8123
As many as all the commenters here ripping on Evan - zero
Aaron Rodgers has reached the playoffs 12 times and has won 1 Super Bowl. That is a winning percentage of 8.33%.
Eli Manning has reached the playoffs 6 times with 2 Super Bowls. That is a 33.33 % winning percentage.
Aaron has had the better regular season career. Eli has had the better playoff career and more rings.
Herm Edward's says "You play to win the game."
Eli also had multiple potential game winning drives in those playoff loses that his defense squandered
Eli missed the playoffs more often than he made it and you're using that as a point in his favor??
@@myrongaines6022
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Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
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2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
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Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
@@myrongaines6022
You are correct, of course.
Eli’s career obviously
Why? He's a .500 QB in the right place at the right time.
@@jimwerther he’s a 2 time Super Bowl champion, played just about every game for only one organization. Numbers are still good. Made a ton of money right after retirement.
@@cjandersonjr.8855
The question wasn't about whose retirement is/was better, or who had more time in one place. The question is whose career as QB was better. Answer: Rodgers, obviously.
@@jimwerther everything I listed is part of Eli’s career. Rodgers may have been the more talented QB but Eli’s career is one that many rookie QBs would take in a second. Two championships and play just about every game of your career. A great teammate and well respected. I could end the conversation at two championships alone at this point. If you prefer personal accomplishments, go with Rodgers but I’d rather the two championships, rarely if ever miss a game and be well respected by all your teammates.
@@cjandersonjr.8855
.500 QB who may or may not make the Hall of Fame, vs one of the Top Three QBs of all time. We should be able to agree that if Eli had played his whole career in GB and Rodgers with the Giants, then Eli would have no rings and Rodgers several. But hey, it is your right to prefer Eli's career to Rodgers's. I'm just not sure if the question implied everything you included in your answer.
Eli has the most yards in a single post season in 2011. Not just defense bro.
also regarding 2007, yes I of course understand the argument about the defense carrying Eli. But Eli actually played quite well that postseason run. Perhaps the best stretch of football he played to that point in his career. He didn't throw an INT until the Super Bowl, and we know how prone he was to throwing INTs. So it's not like the defense had to make up for bad QB play. You had solid QB play to go along with great defense. Also let's not forget what he did through the air in that NFC Championship Game in Green Bay.
And anybody who says the defense carried Eli in 2011 is an idiot who clearly didn't watch the Giants that season 😂
210 consecutive starts is a pretty impressive streak and a 4-0 record in NFC championship and super bowl.
Who is 4-0 in nfc championship games?
@@connieq2811 2-0 in the NFC championship, 2-0 in the Superbowl.
There we go… was reading to see if anyone mentioned the fact that he never got hurt. It this NFL… almost impossible to find.
would've been longer than that too if the Giants actually were a decent team in 2017
Eli didn't miss games, he was there every week.
And was trash
This is a great discussion. HOWEVER!! I'm tried of the Eli Manning disrespect, let's be clear here. Does Aaron Rodgers throws a prettier ball? YES. Is Aaron Rodger more athletic than Eli sure. BUT!! Guys remember not only did Eli win two SB''s,remember who he beat in those SB's?? (TWICE IN HIS PRIME) One of them Eli destroyed their undefeated season,does that not count for anything? How many QB's in the NFL can say they beat Brady,let alone beat him twice,also let's be clear Eli beat Aaron Rodgers & Brett Farve both in their primes in Green Bay. I can also make.an argument that Bradys first two SB's were Patriot Defense,and a kicker that won his beginning SB's. After that that's when Brady started coming into his own,Eli was the driving force for both his rings. Finally MVP's are nice but that is an individual achievement,championships make your legacy & is a team goal. STOP IT!!!
Eli Manning won a SB with the 27th ranked defense in the league, Evan you gotta give Arron Rodgers a different excuse
Man rodgers has to win a Super Bowl to calm these mf down. Mfs thinking they can compare him to average ass qbs because of his only Super Bowl ring.
Exactly, I’m praying he shuts these fools up and reminds everyone!! The disrespect is crazy lol
Eli has 2 rings bum.
@@chriscallahan5699 and led the league in interceptions three times in his career you bum. Never once did he lead the league in td yards or comp pct.
@@danielmunguia8341 so what he is 8 -2 in the playoffs.rodgers cant touch eli once the post season starts who cares about the regular season
And in 2012 our defence wasn't good.he carried us threw his second post season people who say otherwise aren't studied fans
I would take the career of Eli over Aaron.
It’s simple if your the type of player who cares more individual accomplishments it’s Rodger’s … if you care more about team accomplishments it’s Eli
yup
Nick foles got a Super Bowl, Jimmy G almost won one but only 13 Quarterbacks in history won 2 or more super bowls, I‘m sorry give me Eli Manning‘s career
U would think a player that is soooo much better and going to the playoffs way more and playing in a weaker division would have more playoff success and Super Bowls
Why do Eli haters call him .500 qb when it doesn't include his post season record of 8-4?? So we should just ignore his post season record because it doesn't fit your narrative or agenda??😂😂😂
Eli beat the two GOATs of all time in the NFL with top-20 defenses against the Patriots’ top-tier team on both sides of the ball. If this had happened to Rodgers, there would be an endless discussion on who the real GOAT is. People would bring up stats and MVPs and regular-season performances, but this isn’t allowed for Marino, Montana, or Elway? Peyton vs. Brady somehow makes NFL fans believe Rodgers is better, which is blasphemy. Arguably one of the heaviest superbowls ring on validation all time as well.
Evan’s just mad that Eli got to do something all his own dopey failed jets quarterbacks could never do which was slaying the dragon Tom Brady. Eli had to do it for him twice while the jets and the rest of the AL East gifted patriots free trips to the Super Bowl.
And you know the funny thing about all of this? Once Rodgers is finally done and retired and doesn’t give the jets a Super Bowl appearance, Evan’s gonna turn on him too just like how he’s turn on every other loser player for the Jets, the Mets and the Nets.
@@vinnythewebsurfer
No, Evan is using his brain, while some Giants' fans comenting here are reacting emotionally. Go ask fans around the league whise career they'd rather have.
@@jimwerther your comment was emotional, mine was just stating facts on opposing football views. Even the greats who didn’t win would traded hall of fame careers for a ring they’ve said multiple times through the years. Stroud is right and Rodgers has had fair more better teams offenses coaching and home field advantage to get more failed two times more getting back then Eli. When Rodgers had far less talent division in his prime. Rodgers Champion prime Eli went in his home field while they were defending champions in Green Bay at the time got his second ring. So Stroud was on point fans just hate facts.
@@XxDanny80xX
Actually, I brought facts. You know who beat Brady head-to-head? Nick Foles. Want to put him in Canton as well?
Most comments around here are clearly Giants' fans reacting emotionally instead of intelligently, and that would include the commenter to whom I responded above. Rodgers's career was light years ahead of Eli's, something no serious person could dispute. And I have nothing against Eli, but he's no Rodgers, obviously.
In a standalone comment I wrote in response to this video, you can see where I demonstrated statistically Rodgers's single-handed raising of GB to a new level. All you need to do is look at how they did with him and then without him in the years in which he missed significant time. As a GB columnist put it at the time, GB was Cleveland (then a laughingstock) plus Aaron Rodgers. He was the difference between them being a joke to being a perennial playoff team. Then look at Rodgers's postseason numbers, which Tom Brady could only dream of having. Rodgers is a Top Three all time QB. Eli may not be Top 25.
As to rings, would you really rather be Zack DeOssie than Dan Fouts?
@@jimwerther yea he’s using his brain to not even answer the original question and instead is making it about hypotheticals in order to ignore the reality and other factors that make up a players legacy; not just stats. We’re talking about whose career would you rather have, not “who’s the better QB” or “who would you have rather drafted.”
Once a Giant, Always a Giant.
No one is talking about how in that 2011 run, Eli beat Aaron Rodgers to get to the Super Bowl
Evan makes it out like every single teammate Rodgers ever had was a bum. Only 1 of Eli's superbowls did he have an elite defense (2007)
Most of Eli's mates were bums lets be serious about that.. He has some really top level guys on D but on O.. No Hall of famers whatsoever.. Burress was his best receiver.. Followed by Cruz.. Anyone putting Cruz up there with the best WR of his era?
Aaron also played with multiple HOF and potential HOF players and still couldn't get it done. Eli only played with one HOF (Strahan)
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BINGO!!
Who was Eli's best receiver? Burress.. He made ZERO Pro bowls. He was very talented and put up some numbers but still no pro bowls.. And shooting himself in that night club wrecked the Giants 2008 season. Cruz an undersized but elite receiver made 1 pro bowl however injuries wrecked his career post 2012..
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
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2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
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Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
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2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
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Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
Evan completely missed the question. It wasn't who's the better QB, that's easy it's Rogers. The question was who had a better career, again easy, Eli.
Also im surprised they didnt bring Big Ben into this conversation because hes basically the middle ground between the two 🤷🏾♂️ he had great regular season play and 2 sbs. 3 appearances i think sooo...
It's not just that Eli won 2 super bowls. It's also who he beat. He beat the undefeated 18-0 NE Patriots with their high powered offense. And then beat them again. Do he beat the GOAT HC and the GOAT QB in TB12.
If I wanted the regular season accolades, I'd pick Aaron Rodgers. If I wanted the playoff accolades, I'm taking Eli. Talent wise there's no question that Aaron is the better QB by a large margin. I don't think anyone who loves football will dispute that. HOWEVER... there's something intangible about winning a championship for New York City that can't be discounted. And both times it required almost miraculous postseason runs with nearly perfect QB play from Eli, I mean his playoff stats in those championship runs, it's like looking at a totally different QB compared to what he did for the majority of his career. In those 2 runs, I think he played in only one home game as well. He had to beat the 13-3 Cowboys, 15-1 Packers, 17-0 Patriots... I mean good lord.
He had to beat Romo, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady twice...and while it's not an individual player, that 2011 49ers defense deserves to be mentioned. It had *THREE* 1st-team All Pros on it, and numerous pro bowlers. Guys like Patrick Willis, Donte Whitner, NaVorro Bowman, Carlos Rogers. Or guys like Frank Gore and Vernon Davis on the offense. He had to beat a lot of hall of famers lol. And that 07 Pats team is among the greatest teams ever assembled, some would argue THE best. While the Giants defense played a large role in those super bowl wins, Eli deserves a ton of credit for how he played during those playoff runs as well. I'm pretty sure they were the underdogs in every single matchup in those 07 and '11 playoffs.
So yea, it's an interesting conversation to have. I don't think it's absolutely CRAZY for Stroud to say Eli, it's just an opinion after all. I don't think most people would share that opinion, but I understand it. I will say there's zero conversation to be had whatsoever if Aaron wins another one and does it with the NY Jets. That door will be slammed shut lol.
Here’s the way I see it. Aaron Rodgers is clearly the better player he’s made the playoffs more which means he’s had more opportunities to win Super Bowls yet Eli has more that’s a knock on Aaron Rodgers. And by the way Eli won 2 SBs for Giants fans they r gonna defend him. Aaron Rodgers has literally done nothing for the Jets yet Evan Roberts is blindly defending him.
No, Evan is saying Rodgers had the better career. Has absolutely nothing to do with him being currently on the Jets. Look past your fandom.
Note: WE MUST MAKE A DIFFERENTIATION HERE. The question of, "Who had the better career" is not the same as "Who was the better QB?" They are totally separate and unrelated questions.
While you can make the case for Eli having the better career, you can't objectively make the case for Eli being the better QB. Rodgers, in his prime, until Patrick Mahomes came along, was considered, by many (including many non-packer fans) the most well-rounded and physically gifted QB in league history and he is statistically better than Eli in every major passing category. I know the question was whose career was better. I won't fight anyone for saying it's Eli (as long as the reasoning behind that is he won one extra ring). But it's worth pointing out that this question is not necessarily unflawed as it can imply that the better career does equate to that player being better than the other.
Nobody, unless you're probably a biased Giants fan, would say Eli was a better QB and if your basis for saying he was, is because he has one more ring, consider this: He has no MVPs, Rodgers has 4. Eli has no all-pros. Rodgers has 4, again. Eli has 4 pro bowls. Rodgers has 10. Rodgers was a HOF All-2010's Decade Team QB. Eli made no all-decade teams. Eli led the NFL in interceptions, twice. Rodgers has only thrown double digit interception totals in a season, three times in 15 years. Rodgers, at his best, his peak, was at least considered in #1 NFL QB discussions, also involving a former Patriots QB. Eli was never considered top-5 in his era. (All of these accolades and statistics I just laid out are INDIVIDUAL accomplishments, btw. These reflect what and how the PLAYER did, independent of overall team success stats, which I will now be covering in the following sentences.)
Eli was a .500 regular season QB, contributing to a 117-117-0 record. Rodgers had more success, contributing to a 148-75-1 record. Eli made the playoffs 6 times. Rodgers made it 11 times. Between the two Super Bowl title years in 2007 and 2011, the Giants defense in the playoffs only gave up a combined 15 PPG average. Rodgers' defenses from 2008-2019, in 18 playoff games, allowed a whopping 27 PPG average. For reference, Brady's 24 games in that same timespan saw his defenses only allow a 23 PPG average and he was 3-2 in super bowls. I don't understand how the saying, "Defense wins championships" has gotten lost here.
But back to the point, it's important to not confuse "better career" with "better player." These are NOT the same question. You want to make the case for Eli having the better CAREER, that's fine with me, again. But the differentiation between the two questions is critical to understand and keep in mind when having this discussion so as to keep context.
Haven’t listened to Evan in years. Now I remember why.
QB's are judged by SB wins, so Eli is ahead but there's still time for Aaron.
Rogers has to win another SB. A ring is 100x more important than stat polishing. You want the big game-not be a bridesmaid
My favorite part of this when Evan tried to brag about how many more times Rodgers brought the Packers to the playoffs, it actually weakened his argument because he went so many times without winning anything lol
Eli got 2 rings. Beat an undefeated team and brady twice. That alone is something Rodgers cant do. He fails in the playoffs. Eli Manning all day. He is true blue through and through... An Ironman in league history... And a consummate professional. Stop the hate. Dude is a Giants legend.
17:10 cool but when rodgers get knocked out bc injury those teams absolutely get exposed. Rodgers carried that franchise.
Yup
You know who didn’t get knocked out for injuries?
@@barryfurtado8184 so we’re blaming rodgers for getting hurt? You must have never played football a day in your life
@@danielmunguia8341 nope never not one single snap… but please feel free to give me your 3 years of j.v. take.
@@danielmunguia8341 I would also like to point out that I blamed no one for anything in my comment.
Eli, without a doubt. Two Superbowl wins. Big time plays in the clutch in both Superbowl wins. And more importantly, he did it with class. Yeah, he was kind of goofy. So what? Eli conducted himself with class, never seeking the limelight, and was a team first player. Rodgers has become more of a clown as the years have passed. I understand these days and times. Class and being a gentleman aren't the norm. But it means something for those who conduct themselves accordingly.
Even more than championships, it is how Eli did it in both caseS. LEGEND!!!!!
Eli Manning's career is a lot better 💪 than Aaron Rodgers. Here is why:
1) Two Super Bowl MVP
2) 2nd QB plays the most straight games.
3) Best winning record against "Tom Brady", especially two victories in the Super Bowl
4) Most comeback wins
Eli. Two rings against Brady and the Pats. No contest.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Nothing beats defeating Brady’s undefeated season.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Nothing beats defeating Brady’s undefeated season.
Rodgers only had a top 10 defense one time.
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
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2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
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Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
So then he's better than Tom
Eli beat Rogers in the biggest match up they had, with a better team. Do you want to have a big team at the big moments or do you want Dan Marino's stat hogging and big losses? Keep in mind, Eli is beloved by the NYC area and the team management for his professionalism and clutch play-plus his sense of humor. And he is beloved by teammates. Aaron is pretty hated back in GB and teammates
even 2016, Eli showed up in that Wild Card game. Rest of the team unfortunately didn't. And once Rodgers-Cromartie went down, it was curtains. Defense couldn't do shit
Eli got 2 rings, and both his Achilles
and he played on the Metlife turf for 9 seasons lmao. With a terrible OL for what, like 6 of those seasons? At least? Not to mention he was never known for his mobility of elusiveness
Under-achieving Aaron Rodgers, with all that talent, winning one Super Bowl and never even getting to a second. Part of all-time QB rating is the ability to rally a team to championship level. Rodgers has done relatively little with the gifts he was given.
I would give up a couple Yankee WS for those Giants SB wins. Eli!
Evan…you just can’t give kudos to a New York Giant. You are so biased.
Eli hands down!!!!!
He is being rational. Just because some people can't see past their fandom doesn't mean it's true of Evan, who is always fair.
If Eli was such a great teammate, he would’ve hung it up two or three years earlier than he did. He set the Giants back because they wanted to stay honorable to him.
if eli was a little more selfish he would have said trade me in 2013 since you arent putting a team around me. he stuck it out through the awful teams around him.
His o line went to crap. Wasn’t his fault. His skills didn’t drop off completely. He lost some of his escapability and no doubt had some PTSD from how many hits he was taking. He still could have succeeded if they gave him a competent line
@@LaceyLaws Oline went to crap is an understatement. His Oline went to crap. His receivers got hurt. His running game was non existent and the defense was horrible every year except for 2016. The decline of the team started in 2010, which was the middle of Eli's prime. He carried them to the superbowl in 2011, but the giants have limped on for the past 15 years. He should have demanded a trade in 2013 when his contract was up or left in free agency. but he stuck it out
I love both QB's so this is a tough one, but let's not pretend like Aaron Rodgers hasn't completely fallen apart in the playoffs since he won that ring. Several years as a #1 seed and that defense thing is a farce, they have had top 10 defenses several times in those playoff runs.
Starting QBs with more than one Super Bowl title: 7: Brady; 4: Bradshaw, Montana; 3: Aikman, Mahomes; 2: Starr, Griese, Staubach, Plunkett, Elway, E. Manning, P. Manning, Roethlisburger
No Rodgers on that list. He's not a team leader, team builder. He's a Me-first diva with a career-long persecution complex.
You do know Roethlisberger was carried to that first super bowl and so was Peyton for his last one 🤡🤡
And I know Aaron Rodgers couldn't rally any of his teams to a Super Bowl, except that one time. Leadership has to be an element of QB play and QB assessment, and in terms of leadership, Rodgers is closer to Jeff George than he is to Eli Manning.
Eli Manning is a King of NY. He can walk around Gotham City (NYC) with a crown on his head and rings on his fingers.
What about his iron-man status? The fact that he never got hurt should get him into the Hall first ballot as well
Seriously??
@@jimwerther yes. How many qbs have gone their entire careers without missing a game due to injury?? You can count on one hand. That’s special.
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That's not a reason to put anyone into the Hall of Fame. Maybe his offensive line though.
@@jimwerther ok…. I think it’s pretty remarkable to stay healthy all that time. Over half the league’s starting qbs missed time last year alone. So… ok, you don’t want to give it to him on that alone… that’s where you pair his accomplishments in the post season and the Super Bowl against the consensus GOATs of the sport with his iron man feat and you can’t deny him. No way.
@@jimwerther bruh the Giants' offensive line has been shit since like 2012, once guys like O Hara, Snee, Seubert, McKenzie and Deihl got old/retired. Still is shit to this day 😂. And it's not like Eli was a mobile QB. Even in 2011 the Giants had the worst rushing attack in the league. Part of that certainly has to fall on the OL performance
Bro Aaron had an elite defense the year he won a chip, that’s why he won. He hasn’t won before that defense or since that defense
Aaron Rodgers never beat an undefeated team in the superbowl. The biggest stage ever. Eli Manning did it not once but twice vs the goat Tom Brady. Aaron Rodgers can't ever say that. Sorry Eli is a bigtime quarterback with everything on the line. His playoff stats are also one of the best ever. He's involved in two of the greatest playoff runs all time ever. He actually had 3 titles in his hand but taken away by a wide receiver walking in a nightclub with a gun a few weeks before the start of the playoffs
Eli is Brady’s daddy. Eli all day and twice on Sunday
🤙😂👈 You know the DAWG DAYZ of the Summer sports void are upon WFAN listeners when questions like 'what mascot would rather be, mr mets or rutgers' mr knight?🥺🔫🤣
To say Eli had the worst Oline in his last 4 years is an understatement. The difference between 31st and 32nd has been STARK!! The Giants have the worst offensive line I have ever seen in my life and it’s not close.
I think a superbowl ring is a team attribute where a MVP is a personal attribute! Just saying...
If let's say a player jumps from team to team and only gathers let's say 300 yards for each team a year but has 6 superbowl rings would he be worth more than a guy that that has 1 superbowl ring with 4 or 5 mvps? I think not...
Tiki says don’t answer the question, when as a player he was questioning Strahans decision to hold out is comical 😂
Evan brother quit while you’re ahead. Eli won 2 superbowls. Thats the only argument that is needed!
Rodgers just like Favre played in Green Bay forever had monster offenses and only have 1 ring
ELI ALL DAY....EVERY DAY!!
Is bias is outrageous because the one year Aaron Rodgers won his Super Bowl the Packers had a great defense. Look it up! You're not allowed to Discount Eliza championships because of the Giants great defense
The one thing that I'd ask Evan is, How bad has Eli's career after his career? He's not doing too bad. Aaron is the better QB, but Eli has had the results. and I have no dog in the fight, just saying...
Because he played in NY, that’s why.
Evan got wrecked by logic in this exchange. He got too emotional and got served by a more logical person
I guess Aaron but Eli has 1 more ring and everyone doesn't think he's an A-Hole like they do with Mr. Rodgers..
No one asked who deserved the Mother Theresa Award.
Eli all day. Citizen Watch
Evan is showing his hypocrisy at its finest. He’s bragging about Rodgers making playoffs all the time. Yet the Rangers make the playoffs all the time but always fail to win the championship. And Evan always points this out when they r eliminated. Now with Rodgers it’s not about championships.
Apples and oranges. No one asked if you'd rather be a Jet fan or Giant fan.
Wfan the flagship station for the Giants continues to hate on Eli Manning at this point it's just lazy and boring to think that way even bizarre the haters never stop
Thumbnail picture is Eli sending Rodgers home
Rodgers Comes up small every big game....
He is a Super Bowl champion and Super Bowl mvp. Real small
@@connieq2811 2011 divisional lost, 2012 divisional lost, 2013 wild card lost, 2014 NFC championship lost, 2015 divisional lost, 2016 NFC championship lost, 2019 NFC championship lost, 2020 NFC championship lost, 2021 divisional lost.
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Eli won playoff games in a total of two postseasons in his life. He lost every playoff game besides those two. How's that?
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
-------- ---------------------- ---------------------------
2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
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Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that your theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
@@donaldkochersperger8074
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
-------- ---------------------- ---------------------------
2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
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Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
-------- ---------------------- ---------------------------
2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
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Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
I think in the situation you should take Aaron Rodgers career because it’s not over yet. One is already written the other, even though it’s at its end. Could have a crazy ending…
While I think Evan is wrong, the biggest issue is how arrogant he is in thinking that he is right. An argument could be made for either guy. It’s not some obvious answer. I don’t know what’s going on with Evan but he has been intolerable lately
No rational person thinks Eli had a better career than Rodgers
Tiki agrees with Rodgers but his bias forces him to pick Eli 😂😂
I want super bowls over personal accolades , jets fan
Didn’t Eli Bret Favre and Aaron Rodger’s on the way to a Super Bowl? They maybe better than Eli but they weren’t that day
I would rather win 2 rings than 1 so there is your answer Rogers has been on loads of supposedly super bowl winning teams
What Eli Manning did & who he did it to twice then add who the Giants were & who they knocked down the Aron Rogers Packers the frozen tundra then Eli won at the 49ers while getting a beat down & keep getting up like Hollywood movie & to stopped the perfect seasons the Patriots unbeaten streak what Eli Manning & the NY G'men aka David vs Goliath Eli stopped history..GO BLUE 🧢🤗
Bro Eli all day!
also did these idiots forget that Rodgers literally had the best most stacked team in football in 2011 (15-1) but got bodied and outplayed by my giants and Eli. That ebds the argument there.
Also eli had horrible teams basically from 2013- the end of his career with the 2016 defense caring them to the post season. Ridgers has had good-great teams most of his career and still always choked in the playoffs.
Rodgers got his revenge in 2016 but rewarch that game. Eli was making great throws and plays but all his recievers decided to leave their hands in miami!
100% regarding 2016, Eli showed up but nobody else did. And that great defense that carried them to the playoffs that season was not the same when Rodgers-Cromartie went down in the first half
NOT JUST RINGS HE BEAT THE G.O.A.T 2 TIMES
This is insane.....this is the most disrespectful thing I've heard in football. That's crazy....
ELI STAY ON THE FIELD NEVER CAME OFF THE FIELD BUT 1 AND HE PLAYED FOR 1 TEAM AND HE HE NEVER SAID GET THIS PLAYER AND THAT PLAYER EVAN LOST IN PICKLE BALL
Eli beat Rodgers on the way too 1😂
I like Eli but he missed the playoffs more often then he made it and is a .500 QB. I give him all the credit for the 2 Super Bowl runs but outside of that he’s an average QB
2008 Giants are the best team in the league until Plax shot his leg... So stop. Eli is clearly better career.
Rodgers choked a lot in the playoffs... A lot!
Quite simply. Both in their prime. What guybyoubwant. It's bot even close rodgers
Okay first off Eli Beat Tom Brady when Tom Brady went 17 -0 with Randy Moss, in regular season and was the hottest team in the NFL. So saying Eli/team got hot destroys your argument. Because they beat the hottest team in the NFL quite literally. Your a dingleberry. Also he came back and beat Brady for a second time. This is just not winning one extra super bowl. This is beating the greatest quarterback who won seven super bowls twice. End of discussion.
It's Aaron without doubt
Shroud picked the one other ring .not the rings. Just the one difference .Lot more winning and going to play offs not sitting home a lot
Evan loves his team so he can't be impartial
Didn’t tiki criticize Eli early in his career LOL the hypocrisy is crazy 🤡🤡
“Rodgers never had an elite defense”. He won his only SB because of the packers defense. Evan is a clown.
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
-------- ---------------------- ---------------------------
2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
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Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
-------- ---------------------- ---------------------------
2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
----------------------------------------------------------------
Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
How's that working out for you?
Evan fucking stop it Roger’s teams almost always where better overall than the giants defense and offense stop the capping and I fucking hate people always saying the 2007 giants had a elite defense they where ranked 17 in the lg that yr now don’t get me wrong they was number one in sacks but points per and everything else they was middle of the road 17th all this non sense like we was the 2000 ravens or the 86 bears is fucking non sense we just got hot in the playoffs both superbowl runs
English is a thing
@@jimwerther yea yea I know GED baby lol
@@ibethuggin247
You actually received a GED?
@@jimwerther yep and actually scored pretty high I’m sorry if my grammar wasn’t good enough for u
Aside from winning 1 more Superbowl than Rodgers.I just believe Eli Manning makes his teams worse than Rodgers.
Eli Manning would just throw it up and Cruz,Odell, burress or Hakeem hicks would just up and get it.
You think Eli would rather have better looking stats in exchange for 1 less ring and everyone thinking he never got to reach his true potential and is kind of an annoying douchebag?
You think Rodgers never reached his true potential??
WELL, SAID TIKI!!!!!
117 and 117 is Eli’s career and he mostly lost and barely made the playoffs most years
Evan you can’t compare Trent dilfer career to Dan marino
Eli can’t sit at the same table as Rodgers
Tucker Carlson has
Really? What about when he destroyed him when he was 15-1.eli scored 40 something pionts.rodgers was trash
yes. Eli can sit at the table containing QBs with multiple Super Bowl rings, and Rodgers can't 😂
A-Rod is Álex Rodríguez.
Whats next? Eli over marino and brees????
Yes, if youre actually a fan of the team and not just a players fanboy, anyone would take the option of more rings.
@@Lennox1224well said Lennox
You’re not understanding the point it’s about being a fan of a team what would you rather have more rings or individual stats? the goal is to have your team win championships but you’re probably a Jets fan so don’t know about that
It's unfair to the legacy of greatness though. Only one QB is great between these two. @@Lennox1224
I am so Glad you mentioned Marino.. The answer to that one is 100% yes in favor of Eli... Watch Dan's football life documentary. Right off the bat he was asked "There has to be a best QB to never win a SB, is it cool that's you or does it suck that's you" The look of annoyance and disappointment on his face said it all.. And when they went over his 1 SB appearance/loss to Montana and the 49ers again the look of annoyance and disappointment on his face said it all.. Marino and Eli will both be in the HOF. But Eli has his 2 rings and will always feel 100% complete as a player.. Marino does NOT.. You can tell..
Eli easily lmao he beat Brady twice lol.
Eli Manning easily Rodgers is overrated and had so many chances to get a 2nd Superbowl and can't do it
Do you even watch the NFL!? Eli at his best couldn’t hold a candle to Aaron Rodgers! I don’t care about 1 more ring. This isn’t basketball
Eli won playoff games two seasons in his life. He lost all the others.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
-------- ---------------------- ---------------------------
2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
----------------------------------------------------------------
Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
I rest my case.
Rodgers took GB teams that would have finished with losing records and carried them into and through the playoffs. To illustrate the point, let us look at the three season wherein Rodgers missed significant playing time due to injury: 2010, 2013, 2017.
Year with Rodgers without Rodgers
-------- ---------------------- ---------------------------
2010 10 - 4 0 - 2
2013 6 - 2 2 - 5 - 1
2017 4 - 2 3 - 7
----------------------------------------------------------------
Total: 20 - 8 5 - 14 - 1
I challenge you to find any other QB in football history - Montana, Brady, anyone - where the team loses even close to that much when the starting QB is out. When you take a 5 - 14 - 1 squad and take them to 20 - 8, that means that you are surrounded by a very weak group and are singlehandedly winning with them.
No one has ever done that in NFL history. Except Aaron Rodgers.
And still...there are limitations when your team is that bad. In four of his five NFC Championship games, GB was on the road, meaning they were playing a better team. Rodgers can be Superman, but he can't be all 53 guys on the roster. Take, for example, the 2014 Championship Game in Seattle. The Packers' Special Teams blew it twice - by allowing a fake field goal which became a 19 yard pass play, and by doing a dreadful job on Seattle's onsides kick, letting Seattle recover. And then with GB down by 3, Rodgers led the Packers down the field in 44 seconds to tie the game. Seattle won the coinflip, and GB never touched the ball.
Let me further point out that any theory about Rodgers being unable to perform against tougher competition is blown away by some other facts. For one thing, look at the numbers he has put up against Pete Carroll's Seahawks in their prime, which no other QB managed to come near at the time when Seattle had the Legion of Boom. For another, do you know what Rodgers's numbers are in his Super Bowl appearance, against the Steelers? Don't worry, I'll tell you:
304 Yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
Rating 111.5
Do you know which team had the best defense in the NFL that year?
The Steelers.
How's that?
@@Chiefs767 Yeah he beat the greatest QB ever from what everyone says. I would rather have the Superbowls then individual success. Rodgers in the biggest moments disappears
How is this even a debate😅 it's not close.
I assume you mean Rodgers > Eli?
anyone who says eli is a fool