When the R.M.S. GERMANIC Sank at her Pier (1899)
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In February, 1899, after a freakish winter storm in the North Atlantic, the White Star Line Germanic limped into New York Harbor with 1,800 tons of ice accumulated on her decks in her rigging. Within a day or two, the ship sank at her moorings. This is the story of the incident and the remarkable raising of the massive vessel.
A special thank-you to the Titanic International Society, who actively works to keep the story of the Titanic and White Star Line alive. titanicinterna...
Thank you to Charles Haas and the late Jack Eaton for their exceptional work in the book "Falling Star", and Mike Poirier for additional materials on the incident.
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Just imagining the frozen Germanic emerging from the fog and entering the New York Harbour is just mystical.
I know right?
Must had a ghostly appearance.
Mystical? I'd say 'scary'!!
It's something out of a horror movie.
More like to say... "I can't believe you made it! "
No obnoxious intro, no loud music, just information. Perfect content in my eyes.
Either you spent years filming all of these videos only to release them one after the other OR you have to be one of the busiest historians on RUclips...... Dude you put out a shit ton of incredible videos telling incredible stories with an incredible amount of detail attached to each one.... It's amazing. Props to you and your lady for all of the hard work y'all put into this channel!
It is refreshing to hear about a victimless shipwreck for a change.
Not to mention the triumph in raising her and the celebration from onlookers when they did.
As refreshing as the cocoa I drank recently... not while watching this video though. Another ship documentary.
No, cant be.. There should be dead ones.. At least cockroaches or sumting.
@@dontkillme5332 Given that this was in February, all the cockroaches probably froze before they drowned. Serves them right.
Theres Oceanos, though that one was only 30 years ago
It's interesting to think that this ship later served as an Ottoman troop transport, carrying troops to the same campaign that 'Britannic' ferried wounded Allied personnel away from. Two White Star ships, several generations apart, engaged in war work for opposing sides.
For a second, I thought you were referring to her sister ship, before remembering that this is the second _Britannic._
@@Daniel_Huffman wait what
It’s true:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Britannic_(1874)
1950!? Damn, that's recent. I was not expecting to hear that she served that long!
With White Star until 1904, then on the Canada run as 'Ottawa', before becoming an Ottoman liner and troop transport in 1910-11. As 'Gul Djemal' and later 'Gülcemal' she served the Ottomans and then Turkey in one role or another for nearly the next 40 years, and survived a British torpedo attack in World War I.
My grandmother came to the US from Ireland aboard Germanic ! This would have been around 1901 when was about 20 . I'd read about the sinking - but I don't think she knew about it .Your videos are wonderful .Do continue them !⭐
Very good storytelling style and skills. Subscribed 👍
Agreed. I find his speaking style infinitely watchable.
I've had a few suggestions and watched them, I must agree he has a lovely wit and style.
Tom, very interesting and nicely spoken. Several large Great Lakes ships got heavily coated with tons of ice also. The freshwater lakes freeze at 32 degrees, less cold than salty ocean water. Alot of the ships that dissapeared in the winter months on the lakes were suspected to have been capsized by hundreds of tons of ice and never seen again.
Might be a reason for wrecks such as the Edmund Fitzgerald.
@@josephhelliwell9938 No. No ice on that trip.
Great to hear about this part of the ships story in more detail although it was briefly mentioned in the history of the white starline fleet great job really enjoyed this one.
I enjoyed the way you told the tale, thank you. Nothing is more satisfying than a plain telling of the facts.
Amazing photos! Imagine being a sailor trying to keep up with chipping away the ice. Tough gig!
My grandfather and his brother came over from Germany via Liverpool in 1903. Thanks for posting this.
Kudos, you are a great storyteller. Fascinating how White Star had so many problems with ships and even more difficulties with her captains. My husband's relatives are among the great ship builders of Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. Wooden Ships & Iron Men. Keep on telling us stories of the sea.
I love listening to stuff like this when I’m falling asleep, if live it if you can do longer videos about old ships and shipwrecks.
Thanks Tom x
You're definitely getting better and better with your content. Thanks for helping history. Just a few years ago, I thought I was a Titanic 'know-it-all'.. Alas, that has certainly changed, especially after I subscribed to your channels.
I'm in NYC right now. I won't say wear but the last nor'Easter that blew in a couple weeks ago dislodged a sailing vessel that was anchored off shore. Broke the anchor chain - sending the vessel first into some pilings - putting a good dent in the hull, and then into the nearby land. I went out in the area during the good weather we've been having over the past few days and saw the wreck being buffeted against the land by the waves. The hull is now split on the side just above the water line and the poor vessel is taking on water. The keel is bent, cracked, and on the verge of breaking off. One consequence of the keel digging into the mud was that it dislodged some buried items and the waves washed these items to the surface. I found in this stirred up mud an old soda bottle from the mid-19th century, maybe once used by someone who witnessed/traveled on the Germanic. Who knows. History is all around and it continues even if we don't notice.
Iirc, the storm that Germanic battled to get into NYC was part of a series of storms during the Winter of 1898-99. One of them brought snow as far south as Tampa. This same winter also brought us the Portland Gale in November of '98.
Is it possible for you to cover the SS Eastland disaster? She was a ship who capsized in the Chicago River in 1915 as a result of being topheavy! Part of which was the installation of extra lifeboats due to the sinking of Titanic!
Very nice. Punchy short video. As is so often the case with your material, I've never run into this story. It's amazing a liner of the 1870's was still around in 1950; 30 year service careers were exceptional.
Did she have her original engine?
@@jimnewman3569 I don't know, but it would be awesome if she did. If only she could have become a museum ship, heh? I'd travel somewhere to see THAT!
There’s also the Cunard Line's SS _Parthia,_ whose career lasted from 1870 to 1956, the longest career of any ocean liner.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Parthia_(1870)
Great story, love hearing about old boats that had more than 1 career
Really enjoy these videos!
This video is actually genuinely underated and damm.
this was mentioned in the video about the history of the white star line fleet.
Another winner! You're the best, no contest.
My partner family have a connection to this ship. Interesting history of the ship. Thanks for sharing
The best utube channels are in my original homestate! Thank you for your AMAZING videos!
Thank you for this story which I never heard from.
Thank you.
something about a "perfect storm"...what a great story!
I just found your channel and I’m sucked in your very thorough in work I just want to say thank you for the content
Cool story...this is only my 2nd video of yours I've seen but I'm hooked.. Thanx mate.
Someone please throw me a life ring. I am seriously binge watching this channel! TY for the excellent content.
I appreciate the History, you share with us. I'm also from Pennsylvania.
Fascinating- chipping tons of ice from ships mast on rough ocean sounds like fun.
Cargo/ freight / steam/sail - really neat - definitely worth fixing
Great Ship
The lethal dangers of ice accumulation on the superstructure, masts and sails was well known and it was in the Crew members best interests to quickly clear it.
However, when the bad weather that originally caused the ice accumulation worsens, preventing ice clearing operations, life literally hangs in the balance.
Great story, and what a tough old gal.
Thanks as always.
Interesting story, thank you! I enjoy your content.
Love this channel
"Boss, I've done it! I nailed the White Star account. We'll be underwriting all their ships, isn't that grand? We'll make a fortune!"
Germanic and Titanic:
1) Both ships were built by Harland and Wolff.
2) Both ships were run by White Star Line.
3) Both ships were sunk by ice (although the former was refloated).
Your videos are awesome. Well prepared and presented. Thank you for your research and wonderful videos.
First time viewer. Subbed in the first 40 seconds. Great stuff.
NICE Video Keep this up!
Greetings. I'm also in PA. Just found your channel! ✌💥👀
Great video
Very informative - thank you for the upload.
How did she make it back to Belfast? Surely not under her own steam? The boilers, engines etc must have been wrecked due to the sinking?
Not if they'd cooled down prior to the sinking, which is highly probable!
I fucking love ur vids, your the reason I’ve gotten into passenger liners. Thank you.
Enjoyed this one, hadn’t heard it before. Rare lately. Would be fascinated with a further look into her history.
A classic case of, a series of questionable decisions 🤔 leads to a preventable ginormous mess. There seemed to be alot if these in this part of the industrial revolution.
some of these seamen act like it's their first minute on the job, lol. scary stuff.
I live in the Pennsylvania area and would like to meet you and chat about the titanic
Another person who lives in Pennsylvania that’s obsessed with ocean liners from the late 1800s on? We must be friends.
Great story that I hadn’t heard before!
I really like your videos. I was wondering if you might branch out and do more shipwrecks in other parts of the world? I really liked the Ning Po. Thanks for your hard work. The computer renderings are wonderful to watch.
Nice bit of work . Do one for the big blow on great lakes here around Michigan forty wrecks between lake Michigan and Huron and crew of the Plymouth freezing to death on Superior . November 1913 . Great loss of life and some survivors . These fresh water seas have alot of history . Including Bradley in 58 almost made it to the staits off lake Michigan . The Morrel lake Huron in 66 n the Fitz in 75 .
Always love to hear these little known tales
Can yall do more real time sinkings Like the Lusitania, the Carpathia etc. or a real time of when Olympic collided the the HMS Hawk
You'll be seeing some in the next couple of weeks actually. I'm avoiding mentioning what ships though, since a few other youtubers will race to make their own versions once it's confirmed, but I think you'll like the animations!
@@PartTimeExplorer ok
@@PartTimeExplorer The Empress of Ireland would make a nice addition. Won’t be a long video, but that is the most interesting and fascinating aspect in the Empress‘ fate.
You are like Ron Swanson’s son, I respect that.
well narrated I enjoy your videos and the efforts to produce them. A Wardrope suggestion a Pipe and Ascot and a Triumph TR5.
Ya gotta be from, the UK! A Triumph?? An ascot 😅??
I can't imagine travel before 1900, anything you did was hard and a detriment to your health
Interesting vid. Thanks
Why run into an iceberg when you can _become_ the iceberg?
When is it not winter in Pennsylvania.
Its like only one month and not in a row.
Dammit now I need TP for my portholio.
Let's all just agree that The White Star Line is just plain cursed.
Being responsible for a number of less-than-horrific collisions and 5 sinkings out of ~89 ships, and lasting from the late 1860s well into the 1930s and the Great Depression isn’t fantastic, but it sure as heck doesn’t sound flat-out “cursed”.
Other shipping lines had it far worse, after all.
Did the Britannic also get the same refit as the Germanic did? It's mentioned on the latters wikipedia page, but not on the formers.
its wild to me that she sank in New York, and they sent her to Belfast for repairs lol
I work right next to a marina every snow storm one of the boats takes on water
I know this is a very simplistic idea, but I wonder why the Germanic did not turn south and sail in warmer weather to rid themselves of the ice (which they already saw was threatening the ship). However, I was not there, so I have no idea how pervasive the storm was.
23 lub 24 marca 1878 roku Henryk Sienkiewicz wsiada na statek płynący do Liverpoolu i powraca na zawsze do Europy.
Do the RMS Schmendric
A ship that has sank and refloated, does it sail under its own power or is towed? Soaked timber and fabric fixtures would have been hugely heavy. Presumably the weather in March allowed clearing of the ice, but still a treacherous sailing in the Atlantic.
This is very interesting but I wonder, how did she get back to Belfast? Under sail? Or towed? It seems her engines would not have been working, after being submerged. Or have I missed something?
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Germanic is immortal thx for the savers
Why the heck it took all the way to year 1900+ to make a cabin whit windows and doors instead just open air bridge? Especially in the north
The white Star Line had a little bit of bad luck over the years didn't they.....
Who made that drawing of Germanic entering new York?
It's a drawing from around 1900, so I don't know who the artist is. It's actually a drawing in my collection of a Cunard liner, but I photoshopped it to work for the Germanic, since there are so few images depicting this event.
Does it still exist
PLEASE get rid of the background noise
The thing I don’t get is how much ice formed on the ship and why was it so hard to get off Understanding all that they couldn’t do due to the circumstances Why was the ship not warm enough inside to keep the ice off
I LIVE IN PENNSYLVANIA
Remember also the SS Atlantic.
i gruess that ice and the white star line just isnt a good mix - very much forshadowing here...
Interesting video, certainly with the Ismay connection.
"She didn't even seem to be dirty inside, simply wet" Hmmm...🤔
And no future doctor's, visits😉!!
How many years did the RMS Germanic Served?
As 'Germanic', 29 years, 1875-1904. Overall she was 76 years old (from launch to scrapping), 1874-1950.
Thank you what if titanic never sunk and served for 80 years????
She will tern into a cruise ship
@@randombelugaman If 'Titanic' somehow survived to the early 90s still afloat in some form? She would most likely have gone through a big modernisation and probably significant rebuilding post-WWII. (Look at 'Stockholm', the ship involved in the 'Andrea Doria' collision in the 50s - still going today, but barely recognisable.) I doubt the iconic four funnels would still be there in the same form, for starters. Would she have got out of the danger zone in terms of scrapping? Possibly. By the early 90s there would likely be moves to preserve her, either as a static exhibit or a working museum ship depending on how well she'd held up over the decades. It would be enormously costly but who knows. It wouldn't be impossible...then again she might easily end up like 'United States', sadly rotting at her berth.
Uh, whAT? Germanic survived till the 50s-
Part time explorer the ship is not rms germanic the real is ss germanic!
Plot twist: These ships were *both.*
early 😳
*SS*
Both are right
OK it’s just me
I am just about to start a binge watch of your videos, as I have recently discovered your channel.
Might you be able to do a video on the life of Charles Lightoller
The ship that became her OWN iceberg.
"And the groan she gave as she went down, it caused us to refrain: The RMS Germanic will rise agaaaaain"
Ah, the Mary Ellen Carter! That's one of my all time favourite songs! Stan Rogers really left us a great legacy of music. Such a shame that he didn't live longer to enjoy life, and write and perform more wonderful works of music. 🇨🇦
May her name not be lost to the knowledge of men
Ho, I've just realized that, when I was living in Istanbul, my art studio was 100 meters away from the place where "Germanic" or "Gülcemal" was docked... at least on the picture you are showing in this video. It's in Karakoy district, just on the side of Galata bridge.
Great story ^^
Wouldn't that have been incredible to look out your window and see her sitting there?
@@PartTimeExplorer would’ve been a bit surprising to see her half submerged wouldn’t it?
@@PartTimeExplorer definitely ^^ I would have seen her, and right behind, the end of the Golden horn, the Topkapi palace and Hagia Sophia ^^.
@@MrThekreun man, that would have been a beautiful sight,
@00:32 Huzzarr!!! The last man on EARTH to pronounce FEBRUARY correctly !!! And what makes this particularly impressive is that he’s not even British
Honestly pretty incredible they just popped her back up and put her back into service. Nowadays a superliner will hit some mud and roll over and "uh oh guess we just have to scrap the entire thing".
similar things happen with steam locomotives, the ones that stayed till the end were frequently ones that wrecked at some point late in their career but not too late to make them not worth repairing. They were the engines that got shopped last so when the end came they were the ones in best shape and held in reserve or donated
If I am not mistaken the horrific events of that winter is what gave the final impulse to the eventual construction of the New York City subway system.
First rate yarn, Tom. As I long serving, long retired Chief Engineer I have to say the Capt. and C/E should have lost their jobs over this, unless the shoreside people insisted on loading coal and cargo on a seriously stability compromised vessel. A shore crew and ships company could have de-iced the vessel pretty quickly, steam must have been available from the ship or from shore.
My dealings with ice have been in the N. Pacific and N. Atlantic, it is not to be trifled with. It will bite you in the ass really quickly.
Agree on the oil tankers we would put steam on deck and we would steam all the tank tops valves and butterworth holes
not sure it was cold enough here,
but I remember in the north (like near Archangelsk) steam would actually freeze and add to the ice on some boats in some weather... depends on the pressure and distance from boiler of course, but the act of depressurizing as it vents took much of the heat out of the steam in higher pressure system boilers.
Makes perfect sense...water is really heavy. And the Germanic is carrying a shit-ton of frozen water in all the wrong places in those pictures! As you imply, maybe the captain and C.E. were outranked in port, by some manager obsessed with time-is-money. But lives are money and ships are money and sunken ships turn no profits.
I guess they thought that it would add a lot of weight to help keep her stable. But it also sounds like they should have put that crew, any crew or able bodied man to work de-icing. It almost sounds like they didn't take it seriously enough and when night came they were screwed.