Rim brakes hands down & yes as others have said allow choice is all that is asked. If not then the big companies new offerings can remain uninteresting to myself & others no problem.😉
Yes. It’s not a debate if rim brakes vs. disk brakes is better. It’s all about providing a customer a choice. Nobody likes being told what is good for you.
But that’s simply not how business works. Sure, the industry may want to give the consumer a choice but when the profit margins no longer allow for it things change and or products die off. You wanting a choice has nothing to do with it.
@@LifeCycle1978 In a free market economy. The consumer has a choice. Industries will try to force products into consumers to rob them of any choice. But consumers still reserves the decision to purchase or not. This is why boycotts works. If a company behaves badly. Consumers can refuse to buy your products. To force a company to lose money or go out of business.
Direct mount rim brakes with grooved brake tracks have insane stopping power. Just didn’t get sold long enough for enough people to try them. Light bicycles rim pads are also the best carbon pad I’ve used, especially in the wet. They bite hard but last 10x as long as Swiss stops. The tech is still improving, people just gave up on it based on 2015 rim brake tech.
@@coryabraham9199 I have a set of falcon pro’s. They do work great together. I also train on some vision kom wheels that came with the bike. They have the worst super smooth brake track and the light bicycle pads make them useable, both wet and dry. With normal carbon pads I couldn’t stop on flat ground in the wet on those wheels.
This hits the nail on the head, Dura ace 9100 rim calipers are insane, more than enough power to skid a tire which is all you need! Far more modulation than disc brakes.
Interesting. I love my LB wheels but the pads were so hard they wore through half the rim over three years with less than 2mm of pad wear. Also racing in the rain in a peloton of 70 when you're one of 5 with rim brakes is a bad time.
@@jordanmiller42 weird, I’m just about all the way through my first set but I haven’t noticed any wear on the tracks at all, groove still seems deep. But I’ll watch for that. Braking was definitely better in the first half of the pad. That is sketchy if it’s really wet and you’re in a bunch w/ only disc brake bikes it’s a bad mix. I will eventually cave and go disc and that is one of the few reasons.
Another factor not often mentioned is that a lot of us who have been in the game for a long time have a ton of old parts lying around from rim brake bikes. I ride well over 10,000 miles each year, so I like having a spare bike with parts that are compatible if/when problems arise, as well as having other spare parts from past bikes. Sooner than later I'll be forced to go to disc brakes for, at least for me, no gain, which will then make most of what I have incompatible, and will be by far the most expensive single bike purchase I've ever made because it'll have to be a complete bike. It's not that I think rim brakes are "superior" - it's that it will be extremely expensive for no gain (for my riding style), and that I'll then have a TON of obsolete equipment that I've acquired over 30+ years of riding.
I am definitely in the same boat. I have no issue with disc brake bikes but currently do not see the need as we mostly have small climbs in Cape Town. I have 2 rim brake bikes and spares aplenty. I am starting to feel the bike industry squeeze as there are no new rim brake frames that I like and the mainstream groupset manufacturers are moving away from it. Will hold off for as long as I can as I will need to school myself on disc brake maintenance too 😜. Let the used market shopping and hoarding spree begin 😊.
Absolutely. I raced for over 30 years on rim brakes, made it to 6 National championships and 2 Olympic Trials. Never once did I ever wish I had more braking power.
Yes, we should still get the rim brake option. This bike is one of the few "modern" current catalog bikes I almost like enough to buy (if it had a 27.2 seat post and if it weren't so expensive). Social pressure and UCI rules have pushed disk brakes onto many, many riders who do not need them and do not want them.
i would NEVER give up my 2007 Look 585, for any modern-day carbon road botched abortion. so glad i scored a 2017 Izalco Max. rim brake and full external cable routing FTW!!
As someone who transitioned from riding a fixed gear to road bikes, having two brakes and a freewheel is already an massive improvement over one or no brake and a fixed rear hub. Also, because of my fixed gear riding history, I really like to service bike on my own. Rim brake bikes are just easier to service than hydraulic disc brake while offer better braking feel than mechanical disc brake.
Rim brake oltre looks so much better, only thing I dont like with one piece aero stem/bars is when you have a few spacers on there it just looks massive. Sick bike though, love my rim brake supersix evo. I'd be hyped to have more options in rim brake in a new bike, probably would get the winspace slc2 if I were to get a brand new frameset anytime soon.
Io adoro i freni Rims Ho 2 bici disc e una delle 2 è già venduta Terrò la Wilier 101 Air rims Ultegra R8000 E spero di trovare un gruppo Sram Force come questo per alleggerirla ancora di più
what's interesting is that if you took a blind survey of World Pro Tour riders and mechanics what they prefer, I would say a large percent of them would say rim brakes. Yet the bike manufacturers feel the need to force feed 'disc' brakes to them. Some of the pro peloton's daredevil descenders did it many times in the rain on rim brakes - riders like Paolo Salvodelli, David Arroyo, Sammy Sanchez and Vincenzo Nibali.
I rode with a fast local group ride last weekend, in mountainous Colorado, and about a third of the 30-35 riders were on rim brakes. Some of these Cat 1/2/3 guys are on 7-8 year old bikes with 105 and Ultegra, maybe half of them on carbon wheels. Everybody's fast, everybody stopped.
@@charliedillon1400 yup. I'm here in the bay area-Northern California and in our P12 criterium fields, there are still a good number of riders on rim brakes and mechanical shifting. Even in the 'minor' leagues in Holland and Belgium, look closely at kermesse photos and you will spot rim brake bikes and mechanical shift levers.
Rim brakes are easy to understand and maintain, and the power of direct mount brakes is a plus. Good to keep options to have customers deciding what they like.
Im glad they still sell it. But one thing i like about disc brakes is no wear on the rims, no heat on the rims. My disc brakes have been trouble free. A good thing because I'm a mechanical anti-talent and they seem tricky to mess with.
This was the main reason I bought a disc brake bike. I’m heavy and live somewhere cold and rainy with lots of mountains. The climate would eat rims like crazy. If I lived somewhere flat and sunny I don’t think there’s any benefit to rim brakes.
Yes, absolutely! Campy is still offering rim brake versions of all their road 12-speed gruppos (supporting up to 28 mm tyres), so why not have decent frame choice to build a rim brake bike in 2023? No need to start the old discussion about advantages and disadvantages but if somebody wants to revive an old frame with up-to-date components or build a new but classic-looking bike, it's still great to have them around and also have decent frame options.
@@DJWolves97 well my brake pads last me for 7-years.. disc brakes well... a year.. rim brakes maintenance very easy to maintain with no problems.. picking up oils or chemicals on the road or contaminate your brake pads on disc breaks I've seen that alot
Rim brakes should never become obsolete, nor should mechanical shifting. This market will always have entry level riders who do not need that extra stopping power. It's also a cheap way to save a little bit of weight. It's just a simple and proven system. If it was good enough for Lance Armstrong it's good enough for almost anybody.
If you don't ride in the rain and wet (on a road bike), rim brakes are fine. Mountain bikes need disc brakes. As per most of the comments I see here, road bike riders want a choice. Don't cram disc brakes down their throats. They weigh more, are harder to adjust and maintain. For road riding, give me rim brakes and quick release wheels. At least give me a choice.
to me rim brakes ride more lively and less complication compare to disc counterpart disc have its purposes in certain condition. rain mud snow and crazy descent. i think everyone should ride what they like and what fits their lifestyle rim brake as makes amazing travel bike 😎
It seems that it would be minimal cost for Shimano to offer a viable wireless rim brake option. They already have the shifter electronics and Bluetooth system from the hydro brake shifters. They just need a need lever housing for rim brake and the old rim brake calibers. The rest of the group set is the same as the disc set.
If you meant having wireless brakes Di2 i wouldn't dare touch that. There's so much safety concerns associated with it. There's already been iterations of Di2 rim brake, further advancing it to complete wireless is not ANY bike manufacturers should pursue.
You have the wrong top headset for those Vision Metron handlebars. Your using the one for a standard stem the aero top cap blends in better with those handlebars.
I always am glad when I see a bike with rim brakes, but I also like the more modern look of discs. Choice is nice and bike manufacturers would do wise in listening to their customers instead of just ALWAYS trickling down racing technology. 99% of us cyclists will never race, but 100% need brakes, and we should still have a choice in that. But I love my discs on my 2022 Roubaix, they let me put wider tires on it.
Seeing as I commute on a low end rim brake bike year round in all weather conditions (save for blizzards, hurricanes and tornadoes), I’d say it’s good to give the consumers a choice. Each has pros and cons, and different people will prefer different set up’s
As above being a huge rim brake fan it's not the fact I hate discs I've had 4 disc road bikes but prefer my rim brake road bike... The issue is I'm being FORCED to change to a system that's more heavy (disc groupsets are heavier than rim) they're also more expensive.... For a system of no benefit to me. In the wet I use alloy rims..... And when it's really bad weather like 99.9% of us I ride the turbo so while discs may have slightly better braking in wet conditions over an ALLOY rim it's invalid for me as I just don't ride in really wet conditions. Now I'm having to look at a Time Alpe D'Huez just on the basis as I'm now being forced by lack of wheelsets and groupsets I want a frameset that is faced correctly. It's a real shame it's come to this options being taken away = forced change for a lot of us. I think it's a disgusting move by the industry. People that say rim brakes are dead it's hardly surprising when it's very difficult to get them now 🤦♂️🤦♂️ fact is if all manufacturers gave the customer and pros a choice.... It would be a different story....
beautiful bike! And you are right - they should let us customers decide which brakes we prefer! One point: you use TPU tubes, I would recommend to change them to latex, they are a bit heavier but have even lower rolling resistance and they are safer; TPU is not heat resistent, so when you have to brake hard (descending!) the can explode due to the heat building up at the rims! So with rim brakes, latex is better than TPU ...btw, much cheaper as well...
Yes. Really not about people thinking rim or disc is superior. I haven't ridden rim brakes in a while but if I wanted to buy them, I SHOULD be able to.
seems it would be the best solution but I am sure for these companies it is hard to gauge what to make before the season start and to make half rim and half disc and not sell through might be hard
100%!!! only time i ever feel rim brakes are not as good is if im descending fast with carbon wheels in the rain. But i don't ride in the rain so its not an issue. Rim breaks are lighter, require less maintenance and look better!! Disc is great for gravel and MTB for sure but not needed on road cycling that i do at least.
Having both rim and disc vrake bikes if I had to choose one I would definitely stick with the rim brakes one. Easy to service, light weight and beautiful. I hate dealing woth oil bleading, replacing vrake pads and noisy disc alignments.
Just got a new bike with discs and rival etap. Gears great but heavy braking performance is great but what a bloody nightmare with rubbing and now a slightly buckled front disc wish I had never purchased the thing all I want to do is ride I am not a bloody mechanic oh and I every now and then I get a squeak from the bottom bracket which then mysteriously disappears!. Thank god I still have my old rim brake bike!!.
Rim brake for sure. Some people don’t want the complications of the Disk Brake. I bought a Disk Brake bike and I really did not like it. Also when you loose pressure (system needs bleeding)you can lose brakes.
This is all about choice, user friendliness and economics. I have been racing bicycles since 1987 and I hate the direction the sport has gone in. Today it is more of a upper middle class to wealthy user sport. Some disc brake bikes look really cool and have cool electric tech but I prefer the simplicity of a rim brake, mechanical set up. ie; I don't want the extra stress of worrying to remember to charge the batteries on the bike. I can go on and on about the maintenance challenges with modern bikes. I want choice. BTW, cycling is definitely not a green sport any more!!!
Both systems have their pros and cons. I love good rim brake setup, even on longer decents. I don't say that discs are bad. But i have to say.. personaly, rim brakes looks better on road bike - just cleaner and more pure. (I'm also fan of vintage roadies) Maybe the industry will make full circle and in future we will se more rim brake options. It will not be first time, that some thing will make full circle.
I MUCH prefer the aesthetic of disc brake wheels - the brake track on rim brake wheels just looks ugly to me. I was a mtb rider for years before I got a road bike though, so I'm biased. I suppose anybody who has ridden rim brakes for years is biased too. We're all stuck in our way, one way or another!
@@Pablosammy1 Well adjusted rim brake with good pads are really good. But as mechanic, I rode many discs, and not all are created equal. Many are not as good as good rim brakes.. But it also applies vice versa. Disc are also good.. but I love the æshetic of round tubing vintage bikes. They're not perfect for riding now, but still rides well. I don't ride every day my neo-retro bikes, they are for most of time home decoration. It's bit like owning vintage car..
So disc brakes have caught on because carbon fiber tech has stagnated. You cannot build a bike that is lighter, stiffer, and more aero. You must make a choice to trade off. Discs double down on the choice that aero is more important than weight. The UCI, who obviously works with frame designers and conglomerates and promotes their interests, chose to not update the weight minimum for racing bikes. This decision made discs viable for the peloton, as disc brake bikes even now cannot hit the 6.8kg minimum, except for perhaps the Spec aethos. If the weight minimum was dropped to even just 6kg, discs would be much less of a sell. I think discs are practical for heavy riders and in certain situations, but it is artificially being pushed as superior to rim brakes as far as racing is concerned.
For road bikes I much, much prefer rim brakes. I've just bought a good quality carbon road bike, and one of my conditions has been having rim brakes. Only real advantages I find with disks is wet braking and tires of more than 28 mm. Other than that, rim brakes forever!
rim brakes are tried and true with little maintaince but I do prefer the feeling and security of disc brakes over rim brakes now, I dont think I would choose rim brakes if I had an option
Yes. I just bought a 2017 S-Works Tarmac, Dura-Ace 9100, Roval CLXII’s, rim brakes. I specifically wanted rim brake. So, Specialized lost my sale on a new bike because they don’t make rim brake Tarmacs.
I service my own bike so I aim to never ever own a disc brake bike. My time is too valuable to be constantly fiddling around with disc brakes for a useless "improvent" since I absolutely never compete or race.
If pros had their way, they would all still be running rim brakes. There are almost no instances in the pro peloton that they would need such a high braking power. Even on high mountain decents, rim brakes are enough for modulated braking. Remember the time when Tadej was still swapping to a rim brake bike when climbing up the mountain.
If pros had the choice before using disc they wouldn't have changed because they are very fragile little things that have been racing using the same equipment for many years. Now they have used them I'm sure most wouldn't go back. Same in the comments here, most of the comments are from life long cyclists who like the thing they have always used
THIS Oltre is BETTER. Hands down! Theres a CLASSIC look that older bikes have that older bikes just dont have 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 As beautiful and catchy as the newer bikes are, if you go hack to basics, all we need is a bike that looks good (just like this) a bike that can he upgraded if you choose (like this) and has a timeless design.
I ride rimbrakes on my daily endurance bike. That said im not running carbon wheels. Ive seen the delaminated carbon wheels following a descent in switzerland...nasty stuff.
I Own a 2022 Oltre XR4/Rim, dura ace di2, Vision Metron handlebar, Cadex wheels , weights 6.7kg , to be honest this paint job is wrong, not because is not celeste but is too busy and colorful,the head spacers also wrong, Vision Metron comes with a proprietary spacer that flashes with the frame for a sleek look. I would challenge anyone to find a better rim brake road bike, direct mounts, bladed fork, room for 30mm tires. The new Bianchi aero bike makes sense on paper but terrible handlebar design, execution and durability as it turns out . For my money the Oltre XR4 and Dogma F X LIght are the best rim brake bikes ever .
I'd buy a bike like that with rim brakes. I have 2 very nice sets of Princeton Carbon Works Wheelsets. My Trek Emonda is a 2019 getting kinda old buy now. I'm fairly lightweight, it's flat where I live and doesn't rain much so I really don't need disc brakes.
Rim for normal riding days and disc for wet weather but hate to said that manufacturers are going disc and I guess sooner or later disc is the future. All of them have their pros and cons.
Cool bike! Want those lively colors back. For hills/mountains I would never go without disc brakes. On the flats rim brakes are OK - except when it rains. I rode a lot of very steep hills back in the 1980's - scared the hell out of me. My conclusion: never rim brakes again. YMMV.
yea im the saame way I had to many close calls with rim brakes in the rain, I prefer discs now, now that I have them for so long I wouldnt go back to rim brakes
I've just got back into road cycling and went for a TCR Advanced 2 with rim brakes. I was looking at a Tarmac SL7 or Emonda SL7 but my TCR was a third of the price and it's lighter ! I've swapped the rims for carbon and it's just over 7kg.
Yes , we should still have the option rim brake or Disc brake . I’ve got both but still love my rim brake SWorks tarmac better the my Disc brake bike that was bought to replace it . Its all about choice .
Rim brake frames were thicker and stiffer. Ride a tarmac sl3, sl4 or sl5 with rim brake and youll see what i mean. Feels like a Rolls Royce compared to mega thin disc frames, which by the way, have an unbalanced front fork.
Yeah they have to bulk up the fork to combat the torsional torque so they lose weight elsewhere like the BB shell, which is where you get your watts. I'll take discs on a MTB, not road.
Nah, replace the wheels with deeper ones so that it actually goes faster. Because the thing that makes a bike a super bike is its ability to go fast, not weight, lmao
When it is a trend! It is a trend! It is still going to happen no matter how hard you resist! It's like if you see someone still using a fax machine nowadays booking a flight and requires a hardcopy of the flight ticket still using 2G phone instead of 3G because of the concern of being spied on Personally, I can't even stand the Shimano Groupset still has an exposed cord in the Rear Derailleur, I can't stand any external cords I m 57 yrs old, a rider since I was 17 (not a pro though) We are in an era full of changes, so change and keep up!
I get it that Disc are so much better overall for stopping, modulation is much better, performance on long DH runs (less brake fade), and they are also better in the wet. In addition, Carbon Rims will lasts forever with Disc Brakes, but then again, I have heard of guys going 10k miles with their carbon wheels that uses rim brakes. Disc are a must for Mountain Bikes (XC, Trail, Enduro, DH), but for me, I just prefer Rim Brakes for Road/Gravel Bikes, they are so much easier to set up and maintain. I just scored a brand new 2017 Trek Boone 7 at my LBS, and it was the only gravel bike they had in stock with Rim Brakes, and it was at more than 50% off, so I just had to grab it. I plan to keep my 15.5 lb Road Bike, and my 18 lb Gravel Bike forever, so I I just hope rims (for rim brakes), as well as rim brake pads are always available in the future.
Why not! I've been using rim brakes since the mid 70's and I'm still using them today, I lived in SILICON Valley and I've probable grinded it back and fourth to Santa Cruz over HWY 9 roughly 50 to 60 times, and these were the days that we I would do this ride with a 7sp 12/25t rear end with a 42/53 ring combo up front, yeah! It was a grind bottom line this is what I had and this is what I used. Rim brakes basically I had no problems with them at all, one down hill run while blasting down HWY 9 I blasted by 3 motors cycles with one clean sweep, then swept 3 cars all on one pass, all done with rim brakes, Now a days many would say that is totally nuts and they wouldn't try to do on a Bicycle with rim brakes, 40 plus years later I am still using my CAMPAGNOLO SUPER RECORD Brake CALIPERS, and 40 plus years later they are still serviceable because all the small spares are still available and with the use current day replacement brake blocks and 80's Generation DIA COMPE #251sprind loaded levers with Vintage 80's Spanish made JR STROUGHS braided cables enhances the performance of my rim brake. Last of all rim brake just looks right, just my 2 cents worth.
Does rim brake actually save weight? Can't use lightweight TPU innertube, while you can on disc. This offsets weight of rotors/calipers. Rim brake carbon wheels would also be a bit heavier due to special breaking surface.
I run rim brake carbon wheels - one set with TPU inners and the other tubeless. Absolutely no problem with tpu if you make sure that they are rim compatible (not all are). Re added weight of brake track- I would guess that is actually less of a weight penalty than the extra spokes need for disc wheels ?
Bike manufacturers will run into a dead end milking discs and then in a couple years will start bringing back rim brakes in order to sell more product.
Unless you ride many, long hills in the wet: no need for disc brakes in my view. I actually experience my disc brakes loosing a lot of their breaking power in the wet, I assume due to all the road dirt incl greasy components which accumulate on the discs. So at the end of the day no big difference in the wet between rim and disc
I still have all rim brake on 3 bicycles but Rim brake on carbon rim is an engineering mistake for climbing. I have warped two rims. one when I wasn’t experienced and another one when I was experienced enough to avoid much braking. But on 108 degree Fahrenheit day and 30-40 min long %6-15 descent with sharp turns eventually carbon rim gave up at the bottom of descent. As for the look of disc brake I don’t find them ugly.
It feels like the bike industry is bullying buyers. I don't want or need discs, as I don't descend in poor weather down alpine climbs, and I like to wrench my own bike. I am fortunate to be able to afford a decent bike, but if I want a decent frameset, it has to pretty much be disc/integrated.
I need to know right now!!! what looks better? this 2022 bianchi oltre xr4? or there new bianchi oltre ultimate?
This one!
Yes.
To be honest. None of them 🤣. Would stick to my giant contend 3 to both of those
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Rim brakes hands down & yes as others have said allow choice is all that is asked. If not then the big companies new offerings can remain uninteresting to myself & others no problem.😉
Yes. It’s not a debate if rim brakes vs. disk brakes is better. It’s all about providing a customer a choice. Nobody likes being told what is good for you.
agree 100%
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉!
not always better, in a few areas they have advantages in a few areas they have disadvantages
But that’s simply not how business works. Sure, the industry may want to give the consumer a choice but when the profit margins no longer allow for it things change and or products die off. You wanting a choice has nothing to do with it.
@@LifeCycle1978 In a free market economy. The consumer has a choice. Industries will try to force products into consumers to rob them of any choice. But consumers still reserves the decision to purchase or not.
This is why boycotts works. If a company behaves badly. Consumers can refuse to buy your products. To force a company to lose money or go out of business.
Direct mount rim brakes with grooved brake tracks have insane stopping power. Just didn’t get sold long enough for enough people to try them. Light bicycles rim pads are also the best carbon pad I’ve used, especially in the wet. They bite hard but last 10x as long as Swiss stops. The tech is still improving, people just gave up on it based on 2015 rim brake tech.
Have you tried Light bicycle's grooved carbon wheels? I'd assume their pads would work best with their own wheels
@@coryabraham9199 I have a set of falcon pro’s. They do work great together. I also train on some vision kom wheels that came with the bike. They have the worst super smooth brake track and the light bicycle pads make them useable, both wet and dry. With normal carbon pads I couldn’t stop on flat ground in the wet on those wheels.
This hits the nail on the head, Dura ace 9100 rim calipers are insane, more than enough power to skid a tire which is all you need! Far more modulation than disc brakes.
Interesting. I love my LB wheels but the pads were so hard they wore through half the rim over three years with less than 2mm of pad wear. Also racing in the rain in a peloton of 70 when you're one of 5 with rim brakes is a bad time.
@@jordanmiller42 weird, I’m just about all the way through my first set but I haven’t noticed any wear on the tracks at all, groove still seems deep. But I’ll watch for that. Braking was definitely better in the first half of the pad. That is sketchy if it’s really wet and you’re in a bunch w/ only disc brake bikes it’s a bad mix. I will eventually cave and go disc and that is one of the few reasons.
Another factor not often mentioned is that a lot of us who have been in the game for a long time have a ton of old parts lying around from rim brake bikes. I ride well over 10,000 miles each year, so I like having a spare bike with parts that are compatible if/when problems arise, as well as having other spare parts from past bikes. Sooner than later I'll be forced to go to disc brakes for, at least for me, no gain, which will then make most of what I have incompatible, and will be by far the most expensive single bike purchase I've ever made because it'll have to be a complete bike. It's not that I think rim brakes are "superior" - it's that it will be extremely expensive for no gain (for my riding style), and that I'll then have a TON of obsolete equipment that I've acquired over 30+ years of riding.
I am definitely in the same boat. I have no issue with disc brake bikes but currently do not see the need as we mostly have small climbs in Cape Town. I have 2 rim brake bikes and spares aplenty. I am starting to feel the bike industry squeeze as there are no new rim brake frames that I like and the mainstream groupset manufacturers are moving away from it. Will hold off for as long as I can as I will need to school myself on disc brake maintenance too 😜. Let the used market shopping and hoarding spree begin 😊.
It's easy to ensure you have àll the spares you need. Your fault if you are ever " forced" to go disc- brake.
Les groupes mécanique rim brake sont incassable ta pas de soucis à te faire il faut juste avoir quelques pièces au cas d un problème mécanique
Absolutely. I raced for over 30 years on rim brakes, made it to 6 National championships and 2 Olympic Trials. Never once did I ever wish I had more braking power.
why need brakes.... just get more speed
@@GCPerformance18 not exactly if you ride in a big city like %90 of cyclists.
Exactly, If rim brakes were good for Lance and Chriss Froome, then they will be good for everyone
@@ozgurinsan Just buy a shopping bike with a basket on the front for in-town performance ;)
@@ozgurinsan Where did you get that number from?
Yes, we should still get the rim brake option. This bike is one of the few "modern" current catalog bikes I almost like enough to buy (if it had a 27.2 seat post and if it weren't so expensive). Social pressure and UCI rules have pushed disk brakes onto many, many riders who do not need them and do not want them.
I think Look still has some rim brake bikes.
YES! Keep up the rim brake support! Weight and maintenance cost FTW.
i would NEVER give up my 2007 Look 585, for any modern-day carbon road botched abortion.
so glad i scored a 2017 Izalco Max.
rim brake and full external cable routing FTW!!
Lol that's just holding on to tradition and being bitter about new tech
How to say “I can’t afford a new bike”, without saying “I can’t afford a new bike”.
yup 2007-2017 was about the best era of lightweight, fast, sensible bikes that didn't cost a fortune.
I agree, have 3 disc brake bikes and 1 2012 rim brake bike...I ride my rim brake bike more and see no benefit from disc
@@bonbonflippers4298 Where do you ride? That is very dependent where you ride
As someone who transitioned from riding a fixed gear to road bikes, having two brakes and a freewheel is already an massive improvement over one or no brake and a fixed rear hub. Also, because of my fixed gear riding history, I really like to service bike on my own. Rim brake bikes are just easier to service than hydraulic disc brake while offer better braking feel than mechanical disc brake.
Nothing better than a rim brake!
Rim brake oltre looks so much better, only thing I dont like with one piece aero stem/bars is when you have a few spacers on there it just looks massive. Sick bike though, love my rim brake supersix evo. I'd be hyped to have more options in rim brake in a new bike, probably would get the winspace slc2 if I were to get a brand new frameset anytime soon.
Rim brakes for the win. Dead simple.
Just gone back to rim afther 3 years on discs, brake rub, integrated headsets. All pain points and working on a rim bike is so easy.
This is a beautiful bike. Definitely this Oltre XR4 over the new one.
Io adoro i freni Rims
Ho 2 bici disc e una delle 2 è già venduta
Terrò la Wilier 101 Air rims Ultegra R8000
E spero di trovare un gruppo Sram Force come questo per alleggerirla ancora di più
Both options should be available, we all have different preferences. I prefer and have no issues rim.
I have always rode Specialized but looking at a 2023 Giant TCR Pro 1 because of rim brakes @$3600.00.
I bought a 2021 TCR Pro PC2 rim brake edition in early '22. I love it and so will you.😎
Best deal out there. Ultegra, carbon wheels, power meter.
what's interesting is that if you took a blind survey of World Pro Tour riders and mechanics what they prefer, I would say a large percent of them would say rim brakes. Yet the bike manufacturers feel the need to force feed 'disc' brakes to them. Some of the pro peloton's daredevil descenders did it many times in the rain on rim brakes - riders like Paolo Salvodelli, David Arroyo, Sammy Sanchez and Vincenzo Nibali.
I rode with a fast local group ride last weekend, in mountainous Colorado, and about a third of the 30-35 riders were on rim brakes. Some of these Cat 1/2/3 guys are on 7-8 year old bikes with 105 and Ultegra, maybe half of them on carbon wheels. Everybody's fast, everybody stopped.
I really hate seeing disc breaks on tt bikes. It makes no sense, but it's up to the sponsors
@@charliedillon1400 yup. I'm here in the bay area-Northern California and in our P12 criterium fields, there are still a good number of riders on rim brakes and mechanical shifting. Even in the 'minor' leagues in Holland and Belgium, look closely at kermesse photos and you will spot rim brake bikes and mechanical shift levers.
Yes they should make rim brakes. 💯🚲
Rim brakes are easy to understand and maintain, and the power of direct mount brakes is a plus. Good to keep options to have customers deciding what they like.
I personally prefer discs, however, I prefer having choices even more!
discs rub more than most people realize, resulting in huge power loss.
Im glad they still sell it. But one thing i like about disc brakes is no wear on the rims, no heat on the rims. My disc brakes have been trouble free. A good thing because I'm a mechanical anti-talent and they seem tricky to mess with.
This was the main reason I bought a disc brake bike. I’m heavy and live somewhere cold and rainy with lots of mountains. The climate would eat rims like crazy. If I lived somewhere flat and sunny I don’t think there’s any benefit to rim brakes.
SWORKS SL6 here, in my oppinion, if I had a choice on a new frame, I would go back to rim brakes.
really? after a while now I kind of like the disc brakes and odnt think i would go back if I had both options
That bike looks so much nicer with rim brakes. Love the paint job too. Rim brakes for the old school road man home mechanic is so much easier.
Yes, absolutely! Campy is still offering rim brake versions of all their road 12-speed gruppos (supporting up to 28 mm tyres), so why not have decent frame choice to build a rim brake bike in 2023? No need to start the old discussion about advantages and disadvantages but if somebody wants to revive an old frame with up-to-date components or build a new but classic-looking bike, it's still great to have them around and also have decent frame options.
Yes yes yes I've just arranged 105 rim brake bike this morning a pair of nice mavic wheels my best bike for the 5/7 years😊😊😊
RIM BRAKE ALL THE WAY❤❤❤
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@@DJWolves97 and it will function very well in the future
@@stevensantana8049 My disc wheels will too! Yours won’t 😢
@@DJWolves97 well my brake pads last me for 7-years.. disc brakes well... a year.. rim brakes maintenance very easy to maintain with no problems.. picking up oils or chemicals on the road or contaminate your brake pads on disc breaks I've seen that alot
@@stevensantana8049 I’ve also seen carbon RB wheels warp and delaminate after a descent; you can more affordably maintain and replace DBs than RBs.
Rim brakes should never become obsolete, nor should mechanical shifting. This market will always have entry level riders who do not need that extra stopping power. It's also a cheap way to save a little bit of weight. It's just a simple and proven system. If it was good enough for Lance Armstrong it's good enough for almost anybody.
I hated my rubbing disc brakes…
If you don't ride in the rain and wet (on a road bike), rim brakes are fine. Mountain bikes need disc brakes. As per most of the comments I see here, road bike riders want a choice. Don't cram disc brakes down their throats. They weigh more, are harder to adjust and maintain. For road riding, give me rim brakes and quick release wheels. At least give me a choice.
Since I retired from racing, and racing in the rain, I have no need for disc brakes.
discs are great for that reason for sure
It’s terrible that most manufacturers aren’t giving consumers a choice.
to me rim brakes ride more lively and less complication compare to disc counterpart
disc have its purposes in certain condition. rain mud snow and crazy descent.
i think everyone should ride what they like and what fits their lifestyle
rim brake as makes amazing travel bike 😎
Rim brakes just looks much better that the disc version
I thought that for a while but after being so used to disc brakes, I think rim brakes now look weird
It seems that it would be minimal cost for Shimano to offer a viable wireless rim brake option. They already have the shifter electronics and Bluetooth system from the hydro brake shifters. They just need a need lever housing for rim brake and the old rim brake calibers. The rest of the group set is the same as the disc set.
If you meant having wireless brakes Di2 i wouldn't dare touch that. There's so much safety concerns associated with it. There's already been iterations of Di2 rim brake, further advancing it to complete wireless is not ANY bike manufacturers should pursue.
You have the wrong top headset for those Vision Metron handlebars. Your using the one for a standard stem the aero top cap blends in better with those handlebars.
I always am glad when I see a bike with rim brakes, but I also like the more modern look of discs. Choice is nice and bike manufacturers would do wise in listening to their customers instead of just ALWAYS trickling down racing technology. 99% of us cyclists will never race, but 100% need brakes, and we should still have a choice in that. But I love my discs on my 2022 Roubaix, they let me put wider tires on it.
Seeing as I commute on a low end rim brake bike year round in all weather conditions (save for blizzards, hurricanes and tornadoes), I’d say it’s good to give the consumers a choice. Each has pros and cons, and different people will prefer different set up’s
The frame looks awesome, but I would not have picked those colors. Celeste all the way!
Yes I love Celeste too. WITH R BRAKES thanks❤
As above being a huge rim brake fan it's not the fact I hate discs I've had 4 disc road bikes but prefer my rim brake road bike...
The issue is I'm being FORCED to change to a system that's more heavy (disc groupsets are heavier than rim) they're also more expensive.... For a system of no benefit to me. In the wet I use alloy rims..... And when it's really bad weather like 99.9% of us I ride the turbo so while discs may have slightly better braking in wet conditions over an ALLOY rim it's invalid for me as I just don't ride in really wet conditions.
Now I'm having to look at a Time Alpe D'Huez just on the basis as I'm now being forced by lack of wheelsets and groupsets I want a frameset that is faced correctly.
It's a real shame it's come to this options being taken away = forced change for a lot of us. I think it's a disgusting move by the industry.
People that say rim brakes are dead it's hardly surprising when it's very difficult to get them now 🤦♂️🤦♂️ fact is if all manufacturers gave the customer and pros a choice.... It would be a different story....
Now I have Winspace rim brakes with Campy 12 Speed and wheels campy WTO 45 I would like to meet you so can see it GC performance
that sounds amazing!! send me an email gcperformanceyt@gmail.com
Love my rim brakes on my rebuilt CAAD10 Swisstop pads work brilliant 🤩 and yep I also own disc brake Cannondales
I have this XR4 rim brake. The best carbon frame i had so far
beautiful bike! And you are right - they should let us customers decide which brakes we prefer! One point: you use TPU tubes, I would recommend to change them to latex, they are a bit heavier but have even lower rolling resistance and they are safer; TPU is not heat resistent, so when you have to brake hard (descending!) the can explode due to the heat building up at the rims! So with rim brakes, latex is better than TPU ...btw, much cheaper as well...
Yes. Really not about people thinking rim or disc is superior. I haven't ridden rim brakes in a while but if I wanted to buy them, I SHOULD be able to.
seems it would be the best solution but I am sure for these companies it is hard to gauge what to make before the season start and to make half rim and half disc and not sell through might be hard
@@GCPerformance18 Same gamble they have to take with super small or big frames and whack ass paint schemes.
100%!!! only time i ever feel rim brakes are not as good is if im descending fast with carbon wheels in the rain. But i don't ride in the rain so its not an issue. Rim breaks are lighter, require less maintenance and look better!! Disc is great for gravel and MTB for sure but not needed on road cycling that i do at least.
Having both rim and disc vrake bikes if I had to choose one I would definitely stick with the rim brakes one. Easy to service, light weight and beautiful. I hate dealing woth oil bleading, replacing vrake pads and noisy disc alignments.
Oh...and those are direct mount brakes. The bite those rims , realy hard with good braking power
yea direct mount was a nice improvement over regular caliper brakes I liked them alot
Oltre XR4 rim brake 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Just got a new bike with discs and rival etap. Gears great but heavy braking performance is great but what a bloody nightmare with rubbing and now a slightly buckled front disc wish I had never purchased the thing all I want to do is ride I am not a bloody mechanic oh and I every now and then I get a squeak from the bottom bracket which then mysteriously disappears!. Thank god I still have my old rim brake bike!!.
me too i got a black xr4 rim 2 months ago. i thinks it good design still.
Rim brake for sure. Some people don’t want the complications of the Disk Brake. I bought a Disk Brake bike and I really did not like it. Also when you loose pressure (system needs bleeding)you can lose brakes.
mechanical over hydraulic
yea especially for ease of home maintaince it is huge
This is all about choice, user friendliness and economics. I have been racing bicycles since 1987 and I hate the direction the sport has gone in. Today it is more of a upper middle class to wealthy user sport. Some disc brake bikes look really cool and have cool electric tech but I prefer the simplicity of a rim brake, mechanical set up. ie; I don't want the extra stress of worrying to remember to charge the batteries on the bike. I can go on and on about the maintenance challenges with modern bikes. I want choice. BTW, cycling is definitely not a green sport any more!!!
I just bought a rim brake gravel bike, 14 Trek Crossrip. All but one of my bikes, the MTB, are rim brake. I have no need for disc brakes in Michigan.
Both systems have their pros and cons.
I love good rim brake setup, even on longer decents.
I don't say that discs are bad.
But i have to say.. personaly, rim brakes looks better on road bike - just cleaner and more pure.
(I'm also fan of vintage roadies)
Maybe the industry will make full circle and in future we will se more rim brake options.
It will not be first time, that some thing will make full circle.
I MUCH prefer the aesthetic of disc brake wheels - the brake track on rim brake wheels just looks ugly to me. I was a mtb rider for years before I got a road bike though, so I'm biased. I suppose anybody who has ridden rim brakes for years is biased too. We're all stuck in our way, one way or another!
@@Pablosammy1 Well adjusted rim brake with good pads are really good.
But as mechanic, I rode many discs, and not all are created equal.
Many are not as good as good rim brakes..
But it also applies vice versa.
Disc are also good.. but I love the æshetic of round tubing vintage bikes.
They're not perfect for riding now, but still rides well.
I don't ride every day my neo-retro bikes, they are for most of time home decoration.
It's bit like owning vintage car..
This is the perfect bike for me, and I love rim brakes
Thanks for showing this beauty.
So disc brakes have caught on because carbon fiber tech has stagnated. You cannot build a bike that is lighter, stiffer, and more aero. You must make a choice to trade off. Discs double down on the choice that aero is more important than weight. The UCI, who obviously works with frame designers and conglomerates and promotes their interests, chose to not update the weight minimum for racing bikes. This decision made discs viable for the peloton, as disc brake bikes even now cannot hit the 6.8kg minimum, except for perhaps the Spec aethos. If the weight minimum was dropped to even just 6kg, discs would be much less of a sell. I think discs are practical for heavy riders and in certain situations, but it is artificially being pushed as superior to rim brakes as far as racing is concerned.
Never offered rim brake version in UK. Bloody annoyed they stopped offering the specialissma in Rim brake. Disc version looks woeful.
My XR4 weighs under 6.8 kg, standard mechanical Dura ace
This looks awesome.
It looks cleaner, more minimalist than disk brake.
Additionally, rim version is 12oz to a pond lighter, which is a lot better
I love my 2019 trek domane ultegra mechanical rim brake bike. I run 28mm tires.
For road bikes I much, much prefer rim brakes. I've just bought a good quality carbon road bike, and one of my conditions has been having rim brakes. Only real advantages I find with disks is wet braking and tires of more than 28 mm. Other than that, rim brakes forever!
rim brakes are tried and true with little maintaince but I do prefer the feeling and security of disc brakes over rim brakes now, I dont think I would choose rim brakes if I had an option
Yes. I just bought a 2017 S-Works Tarmac, Dura-Ace 9100, Roval CLXII’s, rim brakes. I specifically wanted rim brake. So, Specialized lost my sale on a new bike because they don’t make rim brake Tarmacs.
Yes, rim brakes and lightmess for the win
I service my own bike so I aim to never ever own a disc brake bike. My time is too valuable to be constantly fiddling around with disc brakes for a useless "improvent" since I absolutely never compete or race.
Hell yes! Rim brake road bikes are still relevant.
It resembles the color of the Keisei Electric Railway in Japan.👍
Yep they should, just bought an older bike so i could have mechanical rim option.
My disc friends have brake issues, off to the shop they go. I have brake issues, I'll usually have them resolved in less than 2 minutes.
My bianchi only came with disk brakes. I ride mostly on the flats and in dry weather so I don't really need disk brakes.
alot of people feel the same way
There is a pro team TODAY running rim brakes in the Giro. So yes.
If pros had their way, they would all still be running rim brakes. There are almost no instances in the pro peloton that they would need such a high braking power. Even on high mountain decents, rim brakes are enough for modulated braking. Remember the time when Tadej was still swapping to a rim brake bike when climbing up the mountain.
If pros had the choice before using disc they wouldn't have changed because they are very fragile little things that have been racing using the same equipment for many years. Now they have used them I'm sure most wouldn't go back. Same in the comments here, most of the comments are from life long cyclists who like the thing they have always used
The headset to stem area just looks off to me but everything else on this build looks badass!
yea I am not gonna lie I hate the look of those headsets
@@GCPerformance18 yeah maybe with it slammed it would look better but awesome build!
@@GCPerformance18 and the hoods being so small looking without the hydraulic pistons.... just don't see to many like that anymore
Bad ass bike. Thank you brother for showing me what I and the rest of the rim/ light weight weenies wana see!
THIS Oltre is BETTER. Hands down! Theres a CLASSIC look that older bikes have that older bikes just dont have 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 As beautiful and catchy as the newer bikes are, if you go hack to basics, all we need is a bike that looks good (just like this) a bike that can he upgraded if you choose (like this) and has a timeless design.
Cool bike! Beautiful color and aesthetic. I’m surprised it’s not lighter. I have a steel bike that is only 7 oz heavier
probably because the extra paint, it was paionted locally
I ride rimbrakes on my daily endurance bike. That said im not running carbon wheels. Ive seen the delaminated carbon wheels following a descent in switzerland...nasty stuff.
I have this bike, wouldn’t change over to disc
I Own a 2022 Oltre XR4/Rim, dura ace di2, Vision Metron handlebar, Cadex wheels , weights 6.7kg , to be honest this paint job is wrong, not because is not celeste but is too busy and colorful,the head spacers also wrong, Vision Metron comes with a proprietary spacer that flashes with the frame for a sleek look. I would challenge anyone to find a better rim brake road bike, direct mounts, bladed fork, room for 30mm tires. The new Bianchi aero bike makes sense on paper but terrible handlebar design, execution and durability as it turns out . For my money the Oltre XR4 and Dogma F X LIght are the best rim brake bikes ever .
Idk if it’s my phone but that’s a very vibrant red color, cool !
I'd buy a bike like that with rim brakes. I have 2 very nice sets of Princeton Carbon Works Wheelsets. My Trek Emonda is a 2019 getting kinda old buy now. I'm fairly lightweight, it's flat where I live and doesn't rain much so I really don't need disc brakes.
Rim for normal riding days and disc for wet weather but hate to said that manufacturers are going disc and I guess sooner or later disc is the future. All of them have their pros and cons.
Cool bike! Want those lively colors back. For hills/mountains I would never go without disc brakes. On the flats rim brakes are OK - except when it rains. I rode a lot of very steep hills back in the 1980's - scared the hell out of me. My conclusion: never rim brakes again. YMMV.
yea im the saame way I had to many close calls with rim brakes in the rain, I prefer discs now, now that I have them for so long I wouldnt go back to rim brakes
I've just got back into road cycling and went for a TCR Advanced 2 with rim brakes. I was looking at a Tarmac SL7 or Emonda SL7 but my TCR was a third of the price and it's lighter ! I've swapped the rims for carbon and it's just over 7kg.
Absolutely. Customers should have the choice.
Yes , we should still have the option rim brake or Disc brake . I’ve got both but still love my rim brake SWorks tarmac better the my Disc brake bike that was bought to replace it . Its all about choice .
Rim brake frames were thicker and stiffer. Ride a tarmac sl3, sl4 or sl5 with rim brake and youll see what i mean. Feels like a Rolls Royce compared to mega thin disc frames, which by the way, have an unbalanced front fork.
Yeah they have to bulk up the fork to combat the torsional torque so they lose weight elsewhere like the BB shell, which is where you get your watts. I'll take discs on a MTB, not road.
@@charliedillon1400 it does make for a more comfortable ride with disc, but it just feels like driving an SUV instead of a supercar.
Rim for Road, Disc for Dirt. This is what you call a super bike, just replace those wheels with a shallower depth to make it lighter
Nah, replace the wheels with deeper ones so that it actually goes faster. Because the thing that makes a bike a super bike is its ability to go fast, not weight, lmao
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 you sound like a Rapha rider lmao. "Aero" is all marketing bullshi*
The irony of "rim" brakes essentially being a 700c disc is not lost on most of us... 🤷♂️
I’m gonna buy a new rim brake bike ASAP and just put it away in storage for 5-10 years!
I have a mechanical Ultegra 11 sp groupset sitting on a shelf in boxes, brand new, for the same reason.
When it is a trend! It is a trend! It is still going to happen no matter how hard you resist!
It's like if you see someone still using a fax machine nowadays
booking a flight and requires a hardcopy of the flight ticket still
using 2G phone instead of 3G because of the concern of being spied on
Personally, I can't even stand the Shimano Groupset still has an exposed cord in the Rear Derailleur, I can't stand any external cords
I m 57 yrs old, a rider since I was 17 (not a pro though)
We are in an era full of changes, so change and keep up!
I get it that Disc are so much better overall for stopping, modulation is much better, performance on long DH runs (less brake fade), and they are also better in the wet. In addition, Carbon Rims will lasts forever with Disc Brakes, but then again, I have heard of guys going 10k miles with their carbon wheels that uses rim brakes. Disc are a must for Mountain Bikes (XC, Trail, Enduro, DH), but for me, I just prefer Rim Brakes for Road/Gravel Bikes, they are so much easier to set up and maintain. I just scored a brand new 2017 Trek Boone 7 at my LBS, and it was the only gravel bike they had in stock with Rim Brakes, and it was at more than 50% off, so I just had to grab it. I plan to keep my 15.5 lb Road Bike, and my 18 lb Gravel Bike forever, so I I just hope rims (for rim brakes), as well as rim brake pads are always available in the future.
Why not! I've been using rim brakes since the mid 70's and I'm still using them today, I lived in SILICON Valley and I've probable grinded it back and fourth to Santa Cruz over HWY 9 roughly 50 to 60 times, and these were the days that we I would do this ride with a 7sp 12/25t rear end with a 42/53 ring combo up front, yeah! It was a grind bottom line this is what I had and this is what I used. Rim brakes basically I had no problems with them at all, one down hill run while blasting down HWY 9 I blasted by 3 motors cycles with one clean sweep, then swept 3 cars all on one pass, all done with rim brakes, Now a days many would say that is totally nuts and they wouldn't try to do on a Bicycle with rim brakes, 40 plus years later I am still using my CAMPAGNOLO SUPER RECORD Brake CALIPERS, and 40 plus years later they are still serviceable because all the small spares are still available and with the use current day replacement brake blocks and 80's Generation DIA COMPE #251sprind loaded levers with Vintage 80's Spanish made JR STROUGHS braided cables enhances the performance of my rim brake. Last of all rim brake just looks right, just my 2 cents worth.
Does rim brake actually save weight? Can't use lightweight TPU innertube, while you can on disc. This offsets weight of rotors/calipers. Rim brake carbon wheels would also be a bit heavier due to special breaking surface.
I run rim brake carbon wheels - one set with TPU inners and the other tubeless. Absolutely no problem with tpu if you make sure that they are rim compatible (not all are). Re added weight of brake track- I would guess that is actually less of a weight penalty than the extra spokes need for disc wheels ?
the video title brought the whole entire internet rim brake crowd
hahhaha it is not hard to gather them, they are always quick to support and answer the question lol
Me gustaría saber si a estas manetas Sram Red eléctrico 12v. se les podría poner cable para transformarlo al cambio mecánico. Gracias.
Bike manufacturers will run into a dead end milking discs and then in a couple years will start bringing back rim brakes in order to sell more product.
Unless you ride many, long hills in the wet: no need for disc brakes in my view. I actually experience my disc brakes loosing a lot of their breaking power in the wet, I assume due to all the road dirt incl greasy components which accumulate on the discs. So at the end of the day no big difference in the wet between rim and disc
I still have all rim brake on 3 bicycles but Rim brake on carbon rim is an engineering mistake for climbing. I have warped two rims. one when I wasn’t experienced and another one when I was experienced enough to avoid much braking. But on 108 degree Fahrenheit day and 30-40 min long %6-15 descent with sharp turns eventually carbon rim gave up at the bottom of descent. As for the look of disc brake I don’t find them ugly.
It feels like the bike industry is bullying buyers. I don't want or need discs, as I don't descend in poor weather down alpine climbs, and I like to wrench my own bike. I am fortunate to be able to afford a decent bike, but if I want a decent frameset, it has to pretty much be disc/integrated.