Nobody was really surprised by the other team.Sure they would use a rush defence, with players selected for that job. The England team has very good players. an excellent coach playing a style they understand. Their front row is already beaten, just not up to it, the rush defence is very taxing on fitness, and the ABs have a few answers from the first game. Pity about our halfbacks.
The last sentence tells me I'm not alone after all. Pleased to hear Justin comment on the box kick too, half backs kicking from half way gift wrapping hard won ball to the other side, just dumb.
Kicking good ball away is a sign of having no confidence in your backline they have a fullback that can carve up and link with two wingers that are game winners really need a decent backing coach
Settle down & give it a bit of time. I thought we lacked 1 or 2 ball running forwards which was obvious with how much difference Aumua made when he came on. Our wide back play went alright but will improve & needed to be mixed up with some closer in forward runners so that it wasn't so predictable going wide then wide again every time but calm down you'll give yourself a heart attack with such bitterness.
Loved the way the ABs raised the tempo in the last 20, similar to what Razor did with the Crusaders. Haven’t seen anything like that from the ABs in a long time. The crowd certainly sensed it. They were going off their rocker. England were struggling to match that intenisty, like a battered boxer against the ropes. There’s Super rugby/URC/European club intensity, international rugby intensity, then All Black intensity!!
Often kiwis are like children who think their Dad is Super man..😂...ABs had a few days to prepare for top tier team who already played 6 games together this season.
I have trouble believing that all of you who write negative comments are true AB fans, or have played or coached rugby, my tactic of beating the rush defence would be use the kick to the corner aimed at kicking a 50 20, that is the part of the field from where tries are scored and we should ensure that 1 or 2 of our backs can bang over a drop kick when required, I have no problem with winning close game byway of a field goal.
Unfortunately, an AB team at 75% still beats most other teams. They’ll master the rush defence one day.. However, international rugby is closer today - and that’s a good thing. Too much AB dominance or Bok dominance isn’t good for rugby. Here hoping for a good game at Eden Park. Much love from a Soutie (SA Pom).
JM you are true student and objective amalyst of the game. I have also followed you outstanding playing career over the years.You are the alltime GOAT of scrumhalves. Springbok supporter from Blue Bulls country - Pretoria.
The only thing I saw different was the forward receivers standing out significantly wider than normal… all this did was give the defence more time and take the impact away of short inside balls.
Yeah I noticed that too. Some people were saying the ABs attacking shapes was exactly the same as last year but you are right, there was a subtle change, very subtle though and it was what you mentioned with the forwards runners ranging out wider. And the ABs looked to be going wide wide too but yeah they need to go through the middle first and mix there game up. They look like easy pickings on defence for the opposition, the ABs.
I'm no expert, but I think one way to counter it is to have a very accurate kicking game to go over the "rush" and into the space that is created when 4+ players jump out of the gate.
In my opinion there is 3 ways to counter rush Defence : 1. Play through it ,short direct carries off 9 , pick and go’s etc. get Asafa amua mark telea pick and go’s direct 2. Box kick the shit out of the ball. Literally play 0 rugby , give the opposition nothing to physically hit which frustrates them and prefably kick closer to the touch line. This is how England played that really effective game against the Springboks in the semi. 3. Swing them side to side constantly. Cross kicks galore . Stay deeper and swing them side to side . This is how the bulls beat Leinsters rush d easily. In my opinion no.2 is incredibly effective but most people think is dreadfully boring and wouldn’t accept all blacks playing this way.
We need bigger more abrasive straight running battering rams to get us over the gainline for a number of phases before playing the wide game. Too often we try the wide game off static or back foot ball and no go forward momentum and it just goes side to side and ends with someone isolated. It was the first run of the season and we got the win though
@@jesseferguson4269Right on half time was a prime example of the Naive attack when they should had just booted the ball out with a 3 point lead. What's the definition of insanity!? Doing the same thing and expecting a different result. They were literally going from touch line to touch line going wide, wide in there own half and only gained like 5 metres tye whole time then got penalised at the ruck, half time score 10 all. Enough said!
but clearly the all blacks had put some thought into how to counter the rush defence, it's odd that marshall didn't see it. did he expect that having a plan would mean perfection & total dominance?
New Zealand just don't have great players anymore, good but not great. 10 years ago they had many great players. Im sure that will change in the future.
I agree with Marshy, I believe that once Razor and the All Blacks unlock the keys to the rush defence, it's game over, not only for England but for ALL teams using it. We need to adapt and be more innovative. When we find a way to nullify the rush defence, we reclaim the number 1 position in World Rugby!
In the early 80s Waikato under George Simpkin the rush defence was not as rushed as today but we moved the backline closer to each other and stood up flat closer to the opposition back line this bought the opposition also closer but gave them less time to cater for fast hands and miss out moves and more room on the outside for blindside winger and fullback to enter the backline outside centre or wing.Maybe they could try this.
I think NZ coaches have failed miserably against rush defence systems that they revert back to ehat they know rather than innovate and change the way we want to play.
The ABs were blood lucky and if England's goalkicker hadn't left 10 points out there from missed attempts they would in my opinion had a fully deserved win.
McKenzie missed three kicks at goal - did you conveniently forget that fact? England ultimately failed and lost, get over it - there's no such thing as a moral victory; only failure or success.
What i thought was crazy is we went wide with no set pieces attempting to beat englands rush defence. Hate to say it, but that's a problem with our 10 /12 and 15. Still tho, typical first test of the year. Huge problems for england now, AB's by 20.
Your kicking game also need to be on top, place the ball behind that rush defence. Or kick for the corners, put them under pressure,than you will see a change in the defensive game.
A couple of old haters complaining that a new 10 day old group couldn't fix what their mates in the old boys club didn't address for 7 years 😂 We came out after halftime with an adjustment, better than we can say for Hansen or Fosters entire tenures.
And you’re a hater of older coaches. Listen to you. Hansen was one of the best and Fozzie got beaten in the final by one with a man down after many kiwis said he was a shit coach. Typical whingers
@@davidfife-nm7uy nothing to do with the coaches age, mate. We haven't been innovators for over a decade now, since when do the All Blacks copy the rest of the world? Time to evolve bro.
It will be interesting to know what style ABs will play.. Nothing new was shown in the first test from the ABs...ABS ATTACK needs to change to counter rush defense...we still haven't learnt from the past...no excuses!! We need to play smart... ALL THE BEST ABS!
The reason why the halfback had to kick or why we kicked the ball Justin was because our attack in the 2nd half was going lateral and not getting over the advantage line - the English umbrella rush defence was just picking us off!!!!
It’s a contrast worth noting: we have focused on our attack and trying to use it to counter the rush defence since 2017; the Springboks adopted a rush defence first from 2018 and now they’re reintroducing their attacking prowess on the back of it in the forwards first and now the backs. Look at the contrast in trend of those two teams.
The previous match against England was a head scratcher, we gave up a massive lead to draw-good as a loss. England is not a team that we have dominated on the field or the score board.
The imposter coach has gone after turning NZ into a third tier rugby nation. I fully expect Robertson, the consummate winner, to begin rebuilding the high standards the once mighty All Blacks were always known and feared for. They will again become the innovators and leaders of world rugby that other teams had to continually catch up to, just that once they had caught up the All Blacks had already reinvented themselves.
"The imposter" put the team in a world cup final for christs sake and were within millimeters of bringing the cup home..fair weather fans like you shame the sport
I agree the all blacks have always had that history and aura, but if we being honest, they haven’t been that now for the past couple of years. Even going in to the World Cup last year, they weren’t outright favourites like previous world cups. The important thing now is to acknowledge where they are, and try to work themselves back there, but it’s gonna take a while .
I think the reason the AB's dont have that dominance anymore is that right now we have the Best SA team in history, the best Irish team in history, the best french team in history and a couple of others that are not far off including England. We also have Austalian rugby at its weakest ever and they are our main sparing partners. We have great coaches like Foster and Razor and we have a group of awesome players but we dont have McCaw and Carter anymore. I don't think its realistic to expect the AB's to win 90% of tests anymore. The environment is completely different. The rest of the rugby world has learned from our period of dominance and margins are so much smaller now.
So devlin😂to lose from world cup final team dane coles,whitelock,retallick,cane,frizzel,smith,mouanga,jordan,faianganuku,havilli,we are just suddenly after 10 days together ment to cane england in our 1st test together against english after playing 6 nations and japan.😂😂wateva.😂
You can dance around it as much as you like, but a couple of basic truths need stating: a lot of NZ rugby is weak on core fundamentals - lineout, passing, defensive alignment, strategic place-kicking and increasingly goalkicking are areas of consistent concern. This was reflected in the ABs performance: tactically naive kicking, clumsy handling, and a misfiring lineout were all in evidence, coupled with a one-dimensional wide-to-wide pattern on attack, the sort of rudimentary stuff you'd expect to see at NPC level, which consistently led to ball carriers being isolated on the wing and pushed to touch. Scott Robertson and his coaching staff's collective lack of exposure to test footie was also evident, with cautious tactics and a reliance on the scrum positively screaming provincial rugger thinking, and "Razor" owes much to the average nature of England's own attack, along with their boneheaded strategy of playing without the ball, which allowed his maiden ABs to notch a win despite playing well below both their own potential and public expectations.
This talk about us being better prepared for the English rush defence is so much crap. We all know that at international test rugby level you have to get the fundamentals right first. There are a ton of priorities the new coaching group had to get to grips with quickly. And in case you didn't notice - we changed tactics after half time. But I guess you have to have something to talk about to hold your relevancy ay guys? The All Blacks played great against a top 3 European side thats had months together to plan and prepare for the ABs - and still couldn't get the job done. You guys need to give yourselves a stiff uppercut.
Super Rugby is just not a reliable barometer to measure players and whether or not they are prepped for test match rugby Australia struggled to put away 10th ranked Wales team at home You miss the South Africans, admit it
Are you serious? Saffas with their 3 titles in 25 years of SR were hardly any kind of benchmark & we were pretty happy to see them trot off to Europe so that we are able to help develop the Pacific Island teams.
@@user-eq9jv5uf7d oh cmon dude😂 NZ teams dominated, well mostly the Crusaders who like many of the other NZ were able to keep their international players inside NZ so as to win SR titles while Australia and SA were struggling to retain their internationals and still were able to compete and make finals appearances. NZ teams beating up on AUS and Pacific franchises doesn’t test your forward packs to the point where they would have been playing in SA against those big guys
@@user-rn9co7jc4t Just hearing excuses sorry mate, bottom line SA Super Rugby teams were average AF and we were glad to see them go..its been 4 years maybe you should be over it by now?
I will keep on saying, AB MUST MOVE THREE BROTHERS, ESPECIALLY JORDIE, only one or two, CANT WAIT HE GO AWAY, ALSO I WISH LAUMAPE return, proper centre
@@brianmurray6287 if teams feared the ABs that’s on them. ABs just made a World Cup final with there worst team ever apparently. Imagine if they were actually good 👀
SA teams won just 3 titles in 25 years of SR..3 titles in 25 years!! Only Saffas could believe the rugby world revolves around them with such miserable results.
All blacks pack has been lacking toughness for the last 8 years, they got too caught up in this expansive game plan including their forwards,they need to pick a pack of forwards that can front up and get over the advantage line
Nz were at a disadvantage? England had to fly around the world at the end of a season that started over a year ago, theyve lost Farrell, Lawes, Care, Vunipolas, Tuilagi etc. since the lions series draw some NZ media have a wildly overloaded view of their place in the scheme of things. Nz could lose atleast two in TRC and three up north. You are never winning 12/14 or better this year
As we know being able to get go forward ball so we can go wide is always the rule isn't it... It seems like the All Black's are struggling to do this... So hopefully they can get back to basics also not going to the corner s more in terms of our kicking game force the opposition to find a way out ... mmmm
Coach took ages to name their side, no hit outs before this England game, its not like these players need more training SR just concluded, ABs look as confused as the new collars? cant understand a word Scott Robertson is saying at a media interview., Razpr looks out of his depth.
They will never be the best in the world like they use to be , there are so many teams now that are on our level if not better . Can’t win them all and it makes an exciting test if it’s not one sided !
There it is, Kiwi entitlement. Losing 3 test matches a year out of 14 in perpetuity is virtually an 80% win rate. Which is unheard of in all of World team sport, with the exception of the All Blacks. But it's not good enough and you don't want to get used to it and you want them to lose less. Get over it, it's not the end of the world.and life without jeopardy, struggle and setbacks is just dull
Expectation & entitlement are two very different things. Expectation of excellence is what has made the AB's so successful but I get this is a difficult concept for others to understand without that history.
@@user-eq9jv5uf7d I spent a year living in New Zealand coaching rugby, so I know of what I speak, it's Kiwi entitlement. Makes the All Black coach job maybe the only job in sport as bad as the England football manager job to hold, because of how badly you turn on him when they have the audacity to not win every game. Wayne Smith, Ian Foster, John Hart and even Graham Henry after 2007, can attest to that. And when you lose, never seen anything like it, you'd thing there had been an actual national catastrophe.
@@user-eq9jv5uf7d Congratulations, sarcasm and belittlement, the last refuge of those with no coherent argument left to make to justify their point of view.
All blacks are so soft these days. Go and get some league players like Taumalolo, nelson, Leniu. They run hard and fast, not like our fowards who move in slow motion
4:40 incorrect, the aura is gone. Evidence is they now use the rest of the world's classic excuse for the first time. Saying they are undercooked but some would call them fresh. The ABs say eng were better prepared but when its them playing fra/ire this coming nov they are saying they will be tired after a long season so losses are ok...
NZ have been exporting talented players and coaches for decades to markets that are much better funded. Of course that gap was always going to close. The All Blacks don't have a god given right to be #1, that much should be clear after losing 7 of 10 RWC campaigns, including every single one that Marshall played in. But here we are, Kiwi exceptionalism!
NZ is the most poached country of all 60+ kiwis were playing for other countries at the world cup and look how many NZ coaches have coached other sides also these so called exports i guess you are talking about islanders 90% + of them were born in NZ 😂.
@@Trajan2401 the island meme is the go to for those who want to deflect from the poaching of NZ talent that goes on yr in,yr out. This yr, we have lost 3 10's, Fergus Burke,Aiden Morgan,and now Josh Ioane. The constant drain isn't the sole reason for NZ's problems,but it sure isn't helping.
@@user-eq9jv5uf7d no but since New Zealand are all jabbed up to the eyeballs with about 5 boosters each and as woke as they are I can't predict anything too good. Where does this new cannibal language come from anyway ? Bloody ridiculous...
These two couldn’t be more spot on. Always love their chats
7 years ABs are talking about countering Rush Defence.
Lol 100 percent
.....and the rest. It's as if they (and every other team) don't do the same
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And still passing super deep, just like they did to their first loss to Ireland's rush defense in America.
Abs been talking bout countering rush defense since boks french deployed back on 90s and 2000s
Awesome contribution guys so agree with this wake up coaches
Nobody was really surprised by the other team.Sure they would use a rush defence, with players selected for that job. The England team has very good players. an excellent coach playing a style they understand.
Their front row is already beaten, just not up to it, the rush defence is very taxing on fitness, and the ABs have a few answers from the first game. Pity about our halfbacks.
The last sentence tells me I'm not alone after all. Pleased to hear Justin comment on the box kick too, half backs kicking from half way gift wrapping hard won ball to the other side, just dumb.
The All blacks need a12 like Ma Nonu, that can take one the line/ rush defence. Their will come a whole in that aggressive defence line.
where to get him from though? Ma was probably a once in a 20 year player.
Isn't he playing for Ireland?
They had Laumape available, but didn’t pick him
They Slept on bunty aki
Levi Aumua
Kicking good ball away is a sign of having no confidence in your backline they have a fullback that can carve up and link with two wingers that are game winners really need a decent backing coach
It’s not that simple
Settle down & give it a bit of time. I thought we lacked 1 or 2 ball running forwards which was obvious with how much difference Aumua made when he came on. Our wide back play went alright but will improve & needed to be mixed up with some closer in forward runners so that it wasn't so predictable going wide then wide again every time but calm down you'll give yourself a heart attack with such bitterness.
Loved the way the ABs raised the tempo in the last 20, similar to what Razor did with the Crusaders. Haven’t seen anything like that from the ABs in a long time. The crowd certainly sensed it. They were going off their rocker. England were struggling to match that intenisty, like a battered boxer against the ropes. There’s Super rugby/URC/European club intensity, international rugby intensity, then All Black intensity!!
Then out come the injury stoppages
It was 1 point intensity ffs...
Nonsense
Often kiwis are like children who think their Dad is Super man..😂...ABs had a few days to prepare for top tier team who already played 6 games together this season.
And yet England came here quietly confident to get a win some even suggesting a series 😂
Boks had short prep to beat Ireland, the current Six Nations champs, and still did so handily.
@@rodeo4786no they didn't. That's just nz fans narrative.
@@rodeo4786 And why not?
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Bullshit that' was from England players prior to their departure for Japan pal
I have trouble believing that all of you who write negative comments are true AB fans, or have played or coached rugby, my tactic of beating the rush defence would be use the kick to the corner aimed at kicking a 50 20, that is the part of the field from where tries are scored and we should ensure that 1 or 2 of our backs can bang over a drop kick when required, I have no problem with winning close game byway of a field goal.
Unfortunately, an AB team at 75% still beats most other teams. They’ll master the rush defence one day.. However, international rugby is closer today - and that’s a good thing. Too much AB dominance or Bok dominance isn’t good for rugby. Here hoping for a good game at Eden Park. Much love from a Soutie (SA Pom).
A bit condescending on England. I doubt you are a pom.
Well it's not like we need boring English rugby to set the pace..
AB's will smash the poms at Eden Park
it's what the game needs 😂😂😮
@@Keepitsimple183 The children are on the computer again.
JM you are true student and objective amalyst of the game. I have also followed you outstanding playing career over the years.You are the alltime GOAT of scrumhalves. Springbok supporter from Blue Bulls country - Pretoria.
First test for DMAC, and Perfetia
The only thing I saw different was the forward receivers standing out significantly wider than normal… all this did was give the defence more time and take the impact away of short inside balls.
Yeah I noticed that too. Some people were saying the ABs attacking shapes was exactly the same as last year but you are right, there was a subtle change, very subtle though and it was what you mentioned with the forwards runners ranging out wider. And the ABs looked to be going wide wide too but yeah they need to go through the middle first and mix there game up. They look like easy pickings on defence for the opposition, the ABs.
Justin Marshall says he's had four coaches but hasn't he had five? Laurie Mains, John Hart, Wayne Smith, John Mitchell, and Graham Henry?
Maybe not Henry?
Not Henry.
@@Jon_Jon4777Justin Marshall left the All Blacks after the 2005 British Lions series, which was in Henry's second year.
@sleek822 My mistake. I forgot they gave Henry 2 shots at the world cup.
i wish justin spoke like he does in this format instead of his tv bit.
If the rush defense is varied in it's application . It becomes difficult predict and there for hard to beat .
What about the final Justin. We we more than human. We were heroic. We were the heros and everyone agrees with me.
Okay so we need to find a way to beat this rush defence. My question is how exactly do we do it? How? What specific tactics should we employ?
I'm no expert, but I think one way to counter it is to have a very accurate kicking game to go over the "rush" and into the space that is created when 4+ players jump out of the gate.
In my opinion there is 3 ways to counter rush Defence :
1. Play through it ,short direct carries off 9 , pick and go’s etc. get Asafa amua mark telea pick and go’s direct
2. Box kick the shit out of the ball. Literally play 0 rugby , give the opposition nothing to physically hit which frustrates them and prefably kick closer to the touch line. This is how England played that really effective game against the Springboks in the semi.
3. Swing them side to side constantly. Cross kicks galore . Stay deeper and swing them side to side . This is how the bulls beat Leinsters rush d easily.
In my opinion no.2 is incredibly effective but most people think is dreadfully boring and wouldn’t accept all blacks playing this way.
they had worked up some pretty good backline passing manoeuvres, scored a couple of tries off them & came away with a win. ✔
We need bigger more abrasive straight running battering rams to get us over the gainline for a number of phases before playing the wide game. Too often we try the wide game off static or back foot ball and no go forward momentum and it just goes side to side and ends with someone isolated.
It was the first run of the season and we got the win though
@@jesseferguson4269Right on half time was a prime example of the Naive attack when they should had just booted the ball out with a 3 point lead. What's the definition of insanity!? Doing the same thing and expecting a different result. They were literally going from touch line to touch line going wide, wide in there own half and only gained like 5 metres tye whole time then got penalised at the ruck, half time score 10 all. Enough said!
but clearly the all blacks had put some thought into how to counter the rush defence, it's odd that marshall didn't see it. did he expect that having a plan would mean perfection & total dominance?
New Zealand just don't have great players anymore, good but not great. 10 years ago they had many great players. Im sure that will change in the future.
Exactly, perfectly said.
We will see 😁.
I agree with Marshy, I believe that once Razor and the All Blacks unlock the keys to the rush defence, it's game over, not only for England but for ALL teams using it. We need to adapt and be more innovative. When we find a way to nullify the rush defence, we reclaim the number 1 position in World Rugby!
In the early 80s Waikato under George Simpkin the rush defence was not as rushed as today but we moved the backline closer to each other and stood up flat closer to the opposition back line this bought the opposition also closer but gave them less time to cater for fast hands and miss out moves and more room on the outside for blindside winger and fullback to enter the backline outside centre or wing.Maybe they could try this.
A fan of Marshall
I think NZ coaches have failed miserably against rush defence systems that they revert back to ehat they know rather than innovate and change the way we want to play.
The ABs were blood lucky and if England's goalkicker hadn't left 10 points out there from missed attempts they would in my opinion had a fully deserved win.
NZ missed just as many kicks.
Lol
McKenzie missed three kicks at goal - did you conveniently forget that fact?
England ultimately failed and lost, get over it - there's no such thing as a moral victory; only failure or success.
If england won by one point coz our kicker missed some kicks , they wudnt say "oh we'r lucky to win" they wud appreciate winning a test match.
The Poms lost no luck there at all ..
The ABs won a tight test thanks to some great All Black's resilience.
What i thought was crazy is we went wide with no set pieces attempting to beat englands rush defence. Hate to say it, but that's a problem with our 10 /12 and 15. Still tho, typical first test of the year. Huge problems for england now, AB's by 20.
Did you say by 40 in the last game?
Your kicking game also need to be on top, place the ball behind that rush defence. Or kick for the corners, put them under pressure,than you will see a change in the defensive game.
A couple of old haters complaining that a new 10 day old group couldn't fix what their mates in the old boys club didn't address for 7 years 😂
We came out after halftime with an adjustment, better than we can say for Hansen or Fosters entire tenures.
And you’re a hater of older coaches. Listen to you. Hansen was one of the best and Fozzie got beaten in the final by one with a man down after many kiwis said he was a shit coach. Typical whingers
@@davidfife-nm7uy nothing to do with the coaches age, mate. We haven't been innovators for over a decade now, since when do the All Blacks copy the rest of the world?
Time to evolve bro.
It will be interesting to know what style ABs will play.. Nothing new was shown in the first test from the ABs...ABS ATTACK needs to change to counter rush defense...we still haven't learnt from the past...no excuses!! We need to play smart... ALL THE BEST ABS!
The reason why the halfback had to kick or why we kicked the ball Justin was because our attack in the 2nd half was going lateral and not getting over the advantage line - the English umbrella rush defence was just picking us off!!!!
It’s a contrast worth noting: we have focused on our attack and trying to use it to counter the rush defence since 2017; the Springboks adopted a rush defence first from 2018 and now they’re reintroducing their attacking prowess on the back of it in the forwards first and now the backs. Look at the contrast in trend of those two teams.
The previous match against England was a head scratcher, we gave up a massive lead to draw-good as a loss. England is not a team that we have dominated on the field or the score board.
I think you will find it's not so easy to be dominant in the Professional era, in the past it was semi-pro versus different levels of amateur
Hell yeah!
The imposter coach has gone after turning NZ into a third tier rugby nation. I fully expect Robertson, the consummate winner, to begin rebuilding the high standards the once mighty All Blacks were always known and feared for. They will again become the innovators and leaders of world rugby that other teams had to continually catch up to, just that once they had caught up the All Blacks had already reinvented themselves.
"The imposter" put the team in a world cup final for christs sake and were within millimeters of bringing the cup home..fair weather fans like you shame the sport
I agree the all blacks have always had that history and aura, but if we being honest, they haven’t been that now for the past couple of years. Even going in to the World Cup last year, they weren’t outright favourites like previous world cups. The important thing now is to acknowledge where they are, and try to work themselves back there, but it’s gonna take a while .
I think the reason the AB's dont have that dominance anymore is that right now we have the Best SA team in history, the best Irish team in history, the best french team in history and a couple of others that are not far off including England. We also have Austalian rugby at its weakest ever and they are our main sparing partners. We have great coaches like Foster and Razor and we have a group of awesome players but we dont have McCaw and Carter anymore. I don't think its realistic to expect the AB's to win 90% of tests anymore. The environment is completely different. The rest of the rugby world has learned from our period of dominance and margins are so much smaller now.
I agree with 99% of that,but seriously,Foster,a great coach? I think not.
Marshall "you can never prepare for a test match..." WTF?
You don't know what the opposition is going to have on the field.
Yeah what a bloody genius 😂
AB's still not able to deal with a blitz defence, when they figure it out one day they will be unstoppable
He’s a Razor sycophant. If that game had been played under Foster he would have been outraged.
So devlin😂to lose from world cup final team dane coles,whitelock,retallick,cane,frizzel,smith,mouanga,jordan,faianganuku,havilli,we are just suddenly after 10 days together ment to cane england in our 1st test together against english after playing 6 nations and japan.😂😂wateva.😂
You can dance around it as much as you like, but a couple of basic truths need stating: a lot of NZ rugby is weak on core fundamentals - lineout, passing, defensive alignment, strategic place-kicking and increasingly goalkicking are areas of consistent concern. This was reflected in the ABs performance: tactically naive kicking, clumsy handling, and a misfiring lineout were all in evidence, coupled with a one-dimensional wide-to-wide pattern on attack, the sort of rudimentary stuff you'd expect to see at NPC level, which consistently led to ball carriers being isolated on the wing and pushed to touch. Scott Robertson and his coaching staff's collective lack of exposure to test footie was also evident, with cautious tactics and a reliance on the scrum positively screaming provincial rugger thinking, and "Razor" owes much to the average nature of England's own attack, along with their boneheaded strategy of playing without the ball, which allowed his maiden ABs to notch a win despite playing well below both their own potential and public expectations.
I think you're being a bit harsh Martin. B+ for me
ABs will be better. Gotta dent the frontline first. Hope they give Wallace a crack on the bench.
JM my favorite half back
He's my favourite commentator in partnership with Nisbo. I missed him on Saturday.
Yeh thanks. England are in the Euro footie final AGAIN having just finished off the Dutch 2-1. Cheers
Can never prepare for a test match, but also we didn't have enough time to prepare? 😅
Exactly JM,too many box kicks.
Is there any top international team that doesn't do a rush defense??
NZ .
@@richardscanlan3419 they do it as well!
Nothing has changed. 😏
This talk about us being better prepared for the English rush defence is so much crap. We all know that at international test rugby level you have to get the fundamentals right first. There are a ton of priorities the new coaching group had to get to grips with quickly. And in case you didn't notice - we changed tactics after half time. But I guess you have to have something to talk about to hold your relevancy ay guys? The All Blacks played great against a top 3 European side thats had months together to plan and prepare for the ABs - and still couldn't get the job done. You guys need to give yourselves a stiff uppercut.
Super Rugby is just not a reliable barometer to measure players and whether or not they are prepped for test match rugby
Australia struggled to put away 10th ranked Wales team at home
You miss the South Africans, admit it
Are you serious? Saffas with their 3 titles in 25 years of SR were hardly any kind of benchmark & we were pretty happy to see them trot off to Europe so that we are able to help develop the Pacific Island teams.
@@user-eq9jv5uf7d oh cmon dude😂
NZ teams dominated, well mostly the Crusaders who like many of the other NZ were able to keep their international players inside NZ so as to win SR titles while Australia and SA were struggling to retain their internationals and still were able to compete and make finals appearances.
NZ teams beating up on AUS and Pacific franchises doesn’t test your forward packs to the point where they would have been playing in SA against those big guys
@@user-rn9co7jc4t Just hearing excuses sorry mate, bottom line SA Super Rugby teams were average AF and we were glad to see them go..its been 4 years maybe you should be over it by now?
Your living in the past the both of you
I will keep on saying, AB MUST MOVE THREE BROTHERS, ESPECIALLY JORDIE, only one or two, CANT WAIT HE GO AWAY, ALSO I WISH LAUMAPE return, proper centre
C+ Marty its a pass.
Stop Whinging, always negative, get out of the dark and into the sunlight.
Losing the SA teams to the URC has diminished Super rugby and in turn the AB's.
No it hasn’t.
@@HiMom2024 AB fear factor is a thing of the past mate....maybe razor can bring it back but I sincerely doubt it.
Nah SA never won much in SR.
@@brianmurray6287 if teams feared the ABs that’s on them.
ABs just made a World Cup final with there worst team ever apparently.
Imagine if they were actually good 👀
SA teams won just 3 titles in 25 years of SR..3 titles in 25 years!! Only Saffas could believe the rugby world revolves around them with such miserable results.
The ABs are lacking in innovation. Apart from a disco-dancing coach, all they have are words to counter their downward projection.
All blacks pack has been lacking toughness for the last 8 years, they got too caught up in this expansive game plan including their forwards,they need to pick a pack of forwards that can front up and get over the advantage line
Super Rugby is their demise
Nz were at a disadvantage? England had to fly around the world at the end of a season that started over a year ago, theyve lost Farrell, Lawes, Care, Vunipolas, Tuilagi etc. since the lions series draw some NZ media have a wildly overloaded view of their place in the scheme of things. Nz could lose atleast two in TRC and three up north. You are never winning 12/14 or better this year
Tualagi is a dinosaur 🦕 He belongs in a museum. What are you on about?
As we know being able to get go forward ball so we can go wide is always the rule isn't it...
It seems like the All Black's are struggling to do this...
So hopefully they can get back to basics also not going to the corner s more in terms of our kicking game force the opposition to find a way out ... mmmm
NZ rugby talking heads needs to start waking up to reality, the rest of the rugby world have figured thing’s out and advanced further.
Coach took ages to name their side, no hit outs before this England game, its not like these players need more training SR just concluded, ABs look as confused as the new collars? cant understand a word Scott Robertson is saying at a media interview., Razpr looks out of his depth.
Maybe overdone
They will never be the best in the world like they use to be , there are so many teams now that are on our level if not better . Can’t win them all and it makes an exciting test if it’s not one sided !
If you want to beat the rush defence first you need a half back that doesn’t have a look in the stand before he passes the ball
Justine Marshall gets sucked into the bitchy Martin narrative. Give it a minute please. And yes, 10 days is not a lot of time at start of season. .
There it is, Kiwi entitlement. Losing 3 test matches a year out of 14 in perpetuity is virtually an 80% win rate. Which is unheard of in all of World team sport, with the exception of the All Blacks. But it's not good enough and you don't want to get used to it and you want them to lose less. Get over it, it's not the end of the world.and life without jeopardy, struggle and setbacks is just dull
Expectation & entitlement are two very different things. Expectation of excellence is what has made the AB's so successful but I get this is a difficult concept for others to understand without that history.
@@user-eq9jv5uf7d I spent a year living in New Zealand coaching rugby, so I know of what I speak, it's Kiwi entitlement. Makes the All Black coach job maybe the only job in sport as bad as the England football manager job to hold, because of how badly you turn on him when they have the audacity to not win every game. Wayne Smith, Ian Foster, John Hart and even Graham Henry after 2007, can attest to that. And when you lose, never seen anything like it, you'd thing there had been an actual national catastrophe.
@@nickparker808 Wow you spent a whole year in NZ..that defo makes you an expert! You dont know shit mate.
@@nickparker808 Wow a while year living in NZ, that defo makes you an expert on NZ mate congratulations!
@@user-eq9jv5uf7d Congratulations, sarcasm and belittlement, the last refuge of those with no coherent argument left to make to justify their point of view.
Thanks JM don’t kick good ball away ❤❤❤ come on RAZOR 🪒
All blacks are so soft these days. Go and get some league players like Taumalolo, nelson, Leniu. They run hard and fast, not like our fowards who move in slow motion
England are a class side bar none, we were bloody lucky thats for sure.
4:40 incorrect, the aura is gone. Evidence is they now use the rest of the world's classic excuse for the first time. Saying they are undercooked but some would call them fresh. The ABs say eng were better prepared but when its them playing fra/ire this coming nov they are saying they will be tired after a long season so losses are ok...
NZ have been exporting talented players and coaches for decades to markets that are much better funded. Of course that gap was always going to close. The All Blacks don't have a god given right to be #1, that much should be clear after losing 7 of 10 RWC campaigns, including every single one that Marshall played in. But here we are, Kiwi exceptionalism!
NZ is the most poached country of all 60+ kiwis were playing for other countries at the world cup and look how many NZ coaches have coached other sides also these so called exports i guess you are talking about islanders 90% + of them were born in NZ 😂.
@@Trajan2401 the island meme is the go to for those who want to deflect from the poaching of NZ talent that goes on yr in,yr out.
This yr, we have lost 3 10's, Fergus Burke,Aiden Morgan,and now Josh Ioane. The constant drain isn't the sole reason for NZ's problems,but it sure isn't helping.
.. you are living in the past mate..
New Zealand won't dominate any longer.
We shall see
We will see 😁.
Awesome thanks Nostradamas, any chance of this weeks lotto numbers while you are at it?
@@user-eq9jv5uf7d no but since New Zealand are all jabbed up to the eyeballs with about 5 boosters each and as woke as they are I can't predict anything too good. Where does this new cannibal language come from anyway ? Bloody ridiculous...
Rugby union has turned into a shit show, I no longer watch the game
Then why are you still commenting about it?
@salomiodendaal4473 because of Watching the game
It's funny how a lot of people who claim to not be into a sport pop up in those videos?.
If you don't watch rugby why do you read about it and write stupid comments?
Pommies looked away head of the aotearoa.s or allblacks. The allblacks are on a rapid demise. Poor aotearoa team😂😂
So far ahead they lost lol. Just too far and way way ahead lol
Ahh Michael havent seen you around...i see you havent changed 😂.
Dont forget to cradle the balls while working that English shaft Mike.