Hm, never thought about it from the perspective of damaging the on-boarding from Web2. I’m always thinking from the position of what’s best for an ILV holder, but on-boarding is possibly the biggest long term success determination of the entire project! Also, 🕺🕺 at 58:28 😂
27:00 But don't they just mean the unsold Alpha disks will transition to non-alpha equivalents? I don't see from this text alone that bought alpha-discs transition as well? Thank you guys for having this public discussion on YT!
To anyone out here watching this, just because someone is the loudest & most emotional does not make what they say is right, we all have a opinion. All I will say is I hope that some big brain thinking into the benefits of exclusivity are equally heard. Collectors come from all walks & if you have a entire collection that can attract a broad group to me, thats a winner. I would pay the 0.37 no problem at all, open or not I dont care. But if I had a preference, definitely having the option to leave unopened, definitely. For the moderator, making this way bigger than it needs to be with the language & emotion used ,the drawing the line in the sand language in such a public manner, disappointed. At the end of the day, illuvium will be judged on Overworld, Zero, & Arena . They will be not dammed if they had a collection covering all tiers but yeah lets debate it, but leave the rest of the bs out of it.
Was I a bit too emotional? Yeah Probably, I really care about the project and the was the proposal was initial presenting was very concerning and the majority of the community were strongly opposed to it, with the new changes they made I have been swayed though, talked it out with Kieran in chat a bunch and I am convinced of the value of appealing to multiple types of buyers in different ways. I still personally would prefer just a single class for all and those wanting to spend more can just buy more but I do see the other side and logic and am happy to live with it under the new IIP Aaron and Kieran also answered a ton of questions in a Town Hall they did right after posting the updated IIP, a recording of it is being uiploaded to this channel as we speak, will be ready to view within an hour or so appreciate your feedback ser
@@Vetemor go relisten, I could imagine plenty of fud for the fudsters. Emotion is fine but in my opinion you went to far with your comments. We need level heads listening to both sides before going on a rant, especially on youtube.
@Deraji absolutely Deraji, further on into the interview ( after I wrote this comment ) There was a more balanced level headed discussion & not so much a rant. Thank you. I too am super excited to 'witness in real time' how quickly the team put out a proposal for the illuvitars. An attitude of determination & open ears. I also like the fact that these proposed changes were last minute and a total surprise to most. Anyone whos tuned into the creative process knows when the baby is due, its due. The fact we have such a creative team that reinvents new ideas & evolves, even as they are already breaking new ground, is truely impressive. Web3 & innovation are next level by a factor of x100. Within moments of releasing their proposal the co-founders all went into open dialogue with the community. To me, this is called 'skin in the game' & its 'street smart'. Two of the foundational reasons why I invested in these guys. The ILV token represents these characteristics which like many I value a lot. The Team listened, debated & then went & made changes to their proposal 'within hours'. Try & find this level of engagement ( with a modified outcome ) in any large scale organization around the world at the top their game today. The egos are too big & it never happens. This whole experience around illuvitars has been a true testament to the quality of leadership we have in illuvium. Game changer.
I like the idea of alphas disks and charging more for them. You want the better product you pay more and they really aren’t that much in terms of collectors items. I’d like to buy 2 maybe 3 expensive ones then get the cheaper ones for fun
Thanks for showing this, not everybody is into the whole discord mayhem. So basically the profile pics is what y'all talking bout now. Given up talking about the city building in land for a couple of guilds (running more than one plot efficiently requires hours for one person)? When are you lot gunna talk about the actual game? Stuff like.... i dunno a release year/decade?
Doesn't the DAO make money off of secondary sales anyways? if we sell alpha packs at a standard price, but its really worth 5x as much, wouldn't the DAO just take a royalty off of every hot secondary sale? If more alpha's get sold, the better in my opinion. It rewards the people who are SUPER early into Illuvium and have waited months if not years for product, and also makes the DAO some good money.
This is straight 🔥 I appreciate the intensity that Vetemor brings here. Can you just post this video in the IIP chat? The counter argument on the jacket comment was beautiful though. I know we're all ILV lovers here and no hate on any view but the points on are one sided. Just make all first sale first addition. Screw the 30k club. MAINSTREAM is how we win. Let's not be short sighted and greedy... I know we want runway but this isn't how we should make ground on it. Thanks for this Vet and team here.
Yeah I was super riled up after seeing that new proposal tbh, they did change it quite fast though, new IIP isnt perfect but its a middle ground I think we're going to have to settle for
I just feel a kinda sour taste in my mouth. I though the entire first set would be treated as ”alphas”.. now i feel i might not be able to get the ”alpha” status i was hoping to get with buying mega disks.. feels alot less valuable to spend money on ”regular” mega disks and probably wont buy many if this stands…
this is still just the first draft of the IIP, they have actually acted very fast to bring out a new draft to the IIP (which is better and imo a better compromise) and Kieran and Aaron jumped on a Town Hall to answer Questions which I think u'd find useful, I actually ended up convinced for the most part of the change (and its better than the first one) - I am uploading a recording of the Town Hall right now, will be LIVE within an hour or so
Bit of a crybaby? lol Fine to express your opinions and some things I agree with some i don't....but this was hard to listen to with all the whining from a certain someone
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Hm, never thought about it from the perspective of damaging the on-boarding from Web2. I’m always thinking from the position of what’s best for an ILV holder, but on-boarding is possibly the biggest long term success determination of the entire project!
Also, 🕺🕺 at 58:28 😂
got u w that ending fam xx
When Viper puts his glasses on, I know that s**t is about to get real.
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Bro, my eyes were hurting, I watch the PC-Screen too much lately.
@@viper_ilv 🤣
27:00 But don't they just mean the unsold Alpha disks will transition to non-alpha equivalents? I don't see from this text alone that bought alpha-discs transition as well? Thank you guys for having this public discussion on YT!
@Deraji Clear, ty
To anyone out here watching this, just because someone is the loudest & most emotional does not make what they say is right, we all have a opinion. All I will say is I hope that some big brain thinking into the benefits of exclusivity are equally heard. Collectors come from all walks & if you have a entire collection that can attract a broad group to me, thats a winner. I would pay the 0.37 no problem at all, open or not I dont care. But if I had a preference, definitely having the option to leave unopened, definitely.
For the moderator, making this way bigger than it needs to be with the language & emotion used ,the drawing the line in the sand language in such a public manner, disappointed.
At the end of the day, illuvium will be judged on Overworld, Zero, & Arena . They will be not dammed if they had a collection covering all tiers but yeah lets debate it, but leave the rest of the bs out of it.
Was I a bit too emotional? Yeah Probably, I really care about the project and the was the proposal was initial presenting was very concerning and the majority of the community were strongly opposed to it, with the new changes they made I have been swayed though, talked it out with Kieran in chat a bunch and I am convinced of the value of appealing to multiple types of buyers in different ways. I still personally would prefer just a single class for all and those wanting to spend more can just buy more but I do see the other side and logic and am happy to live with it under the new IIP
Aaron and Kieran also answered a ton of questions in a Town Hall they did right after posting the updated IIP, a recording of it is being uiploaded to this channel as we speak, will be ready to view within an hour or so
appreciate your feedback ser
@@Vetemor go relisten, I could imagine plenty of fud for the fudsters. Emotion is fine but in my opinion you went to far with your comments. We need level heads listening to both sides before going on a rant, especially on youtube.
@Deraji absolutely Deraji, further on into the interview ( after I wrote this comment ) There was a more balanced level headed discussion & not so much a rant. Thank you.
I too am super excited to 'witness in real time' how quickly the team put out a proposal for the illuvitars. An attitude of determination & open ears.
I also like the fact that these proposed changes were last minute and a total surprise to most. Anyone whos tuned into the creative process knows when the baby is due, its due.
The fact we have such a creative team that reinvents new ideas & evolves, even as they are already breaking new ground, is truely impressive. Web3 & innovation are next level by a factor of x100.
Within moments of releasing their proposal the co-founders all went into open dialogue with the community. To me, this is called 'skin in the game' & its 'street smart'. Two of the foundational reasons why I invested in these guys.
The ILV token represents these characteristics which like many I value a lot.
The Team listened, debated & then went & made changes to their proposal 'within hours'. Try & find this level of engagement ( with a modified outcome ) in any large scale organization around the world at the top their game today. The egos are too big & it never happens.
This whole experience around illuvitars has been a true testament to the quality of leadership we have in illuvium.
Game changer.
I like the idea of alphas disks and charging more for them. You want the better product you pay more and they really aren’t that much in terms of collectors items. I’d like to buy 2 maybe 3 expensive ones then get the cheaper ones for fun
Good on you Vetemor, you understand that the DAOs value comes from the community. Discourage the community and they will spend and care less.
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Vetemor, I'm absolutely agree with you as usual. thank you so much!
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5 % great call
Thanks for showing this, not everybody is into the whole discord mayhem. So basically the profile pics is what y'all talking bout now. Given up talking about the city building in land for a couple of guilds (running more than one plot efficiently requires hours for one person)? When are you lot gunna talk about the actual game? Stuff like.... i dunno a release year/decade?
release should be this year tbh of full open beta
Doesn't the DAO make money off of secondary sales anyways? if we sell alpha packs at a standard price, but its really worth 5x as much, wouldn't the DAO just take a royalty off of every hot secondary sale? If more alpha's get sold, the better in my opinion. It rewards the people who are SUPER early into Illuvium and have waited months if not years for product, and also makes the DAO some good money.
This is straight 🔥 I appreciate the intensity that Vetemor brings here. Can you just post this video in the IIP chat? The counter argument on the jacket comment was beautiful though. I know we're all ILV lovers here and no hate on any view but the points on are one sided. Just make all first sale first addition. Screw the 30k club. MAINSTREAM is how we win. Let's not be short sighted and greedy... I know we want runway but this isn't how we should make ground on it. Thanks for this Vet and team here.
Yeah I was super riled up after seeing that new proposal tbh, they did change it quite fast though, new IIP isnt perfect but its a middle ground I think we're going to have to settle for
I love deraji but all of his arguments missed for me. I agree with vetemor on each and every topic. LET THE COMMUNITY DECIDE!
Controlled opposition XD lol
I just feel a kinda sour taste in my mouth. I though the entire first set would be treated as ”alphas”.. now i feel i might not be able to get the ”alpha” status i was hoping to get with buying mega disks.. feels alot less valuable to spend money on ”regular” mega disks and probably wont buy many if this stands…
this is still just the first draft of the IIP, they have actually acted very fast to bring out a new draft to the IIP (which is better and imo a better compromise) and Kieran and Aaron jumped on a Town Hall to answer Questions which I think u'd find useful, I actually ended up convinced for the most part of the change (and its better than the first one) - I am uploading a recording of the Town Hall right now, will be LIVE within an hour or so
Bit of a crybaby? lol Fine to express your opinions and some things I agree with some i don't....but this was hard to listen to with all the whining from a certain someone
thats a fair take ser, honestly was quite emotional about the initial proposal