Again, this is just an opinion and not based on anything tangible or real. In art, it is completely demonstrable that paintings and statue styles start out more realistic and become more distorted and complex over time. The same goes for books and writing, especially religious texts. What Cummins is talking about is in this category: text. Again, no.
Thank you for a detailed explanation. Without someone like you putting together the ingredients of this history, I wouldn't have any idea of what was going on. I look forward to getting your books in 😊
So there's no point in dating the paper because we only have transcriptions. Is it possible to date a text using something else, grammar and vocabulary for example?
Yes but it’s exactly the same as Bansenshukai so we know second half the 1600s. That’s no problem. I do not think you can date more accurately to a decade
Very interesting it really does give everyone something to think about especially with all the other texts throughout the ages of every culture how much is missing or changed
There's countless examples of complex --> _compressed_ . One that most people can relate to is something learned in childhood or adolescence. Tying shoes, cooking, driving, reading. If you're a normal adult, many of those examples are nearly unconscious. No longer do you plod through the very complicated steps and skills. It's compressed; you "put on your shoes", "scramble the eggs", "drive to work", "read the text message". Even more compressed..."wear", "cook", "drive", "read". No need to mention the vast complexities in those unless you're trying to impress or scare a 5 year old regarding what grown up life is like.
Tbf same goes with kanji, they haven't been getting more and more similar to the objects they represent, they have become simplified idealised forms, otherwise writing would be hell. I think people tend to think about certain religious texts and latter additions to the doctrine, the bibliography of ancient authors and philology and how scribes/monks copying texts tended to add and modify passages over time. Either way, I think that someone with the knowledge of the Bansenshukai would be able to judge quite easily if this is just a simplification of the original, or of these are small alterations that happen in transcription, or not. The amount of alteration could also easily be compared to other transcriptions to see if there is a gradual process that can be mapped, conceding that a version may have won out over others in transcription (but why would have it necessarily have been the one with the most amount of additions then?). However in absence of a map of gradually increasing teachings one would have to justify why they believe the longer version(s) were favoured in transcription. Regardless of the issue, it should be solvable, but intuitively I'd say Antony's int he right.
Cakes are more intricate and elaborate now in the 21st century than they ever have been before. We have cooking show competitions and the like which prove this. So no, cakes did not "go back to being simple" or even "less complex" than before. That the average person doesn't make an intricate cake is a terrible argument, especially when we are talking about specialists (which is what is far more relevant to something like Ninja, which is also a specialist of his craft) Ninja didn't start in the pre-history of China, you mean ancient history. Pre-history is before written records. The Ninja lore started in ancient China, not pre-history China, because it begins with written records. "Carbon-Dating doesn't work in Japan" The laws of physics and chemistry work everywhere. what you mean to say is that Carbon-Dating doesn't definitively prove originality of the document, but it can indicate age RELATIVE to other documents in question.
@@AntonyCummins And how is that relevant to scrolls or the Ninja? History shows that things become more complex. Computers are more complex than they ever have been before in history. Cakes are more complex than they ever have been before in history. The economy is more complex now than in any point in history. Things go from simple to complex, that is the trend we see in everything NOT Simple to complex to simple again as you suggest. The fact that the average household buys their cake at the store doesn't change the fact that the most elaborate cakes in history are made today, and they're made by specialists, just like the Ninja were specialists.
Again, this is just an opinion and not based on anything tangible or real.
In art, it is completely demonstrable that paintings and statue styles start out more realistic and become more distorted and complex over time.
The same goes for books and writing, especially religious texts. What Cummins is talking about is in this category: text.
Again, no.
Honestly appreciate your work n dedication to the topic of ninjas❤️🔥, Thank You!!
Thank you for a detailed explanation. Without someone like you putting together the ingredients of this history, I wouldn't have any idea of what was going on. I look forward to getting your books in 😊
I think you guys should take a look in biblical critical text. It's an amazing way to findout the original/older.
So there's no point in dating the paper because we only have transcriptions. Is it possible to date a text using something else, grammar and vocabulary for example?
Yes but it’s exactly the same as Bansenshukai so we know second half the 1600s. That’s no problem. I do not think you can date more accurately to a decade
Thank you very much for the very good and important work you are doing.!
Welp now I know what I would like for Christmas! Thank you for all your hard work Mr. Cummins ❤️💯😎🙏
Very interesting it really does give everyone something to think about especially with all the other texts throughout the ages of every culture how much is missing or changed
Even if they are just copies I'm still curious what ninja scrolls are the oldest.
There's countless examples of complex --> _compressed_ . One that most people can relate to is something learned in childhood or adolescence. Tying shoes, cooking, driving, reading. If you're a normal adult, many of those examples are nearly unconscious. No longer do you plod through the very complicated steps and skills. It's compressed; you "put on your shoes", "scramble the eggs", "drive to work", "read the text message". Even more compressed..."wear", "cook", "drive", "read".
No need to mention the vast complexities in those unless you're trying to impress or scare a 5 year old regarding what grown up life is like.
Well if apple tart counts I do that at least once a week.
Do indeed point to or share a recipe. Sounds good. (American here, never had one. We have pies/turnovers.)
Wife, forget it man but there's still my mother and mother in law that do yhis and bake complex home made cakes on the weekends 😁
And your theory is very intresting and if you apply it to any skill this will happen
I know you're busy and can't promise anything, but in case you do, I'm looking forward to your Christmas video.
Tbf same goes with kanji, they haven't been getting more and more similar to the objects they represent, they have become simplified idealised forms, otherwise writing would be hell.
I think people tend to think about certain religious texts and latter additions to the doctrine, the bibliography of ancient authors and philology and how scribes/monks copying texts tended to add and modify passages over time.
Either way, I think that someone with the knowledge of the Bansenshukai would be able to judge quite easily if this is just a simplification of the original, or of these are small alterations that happen in transcription, or not. The amount of alteration could also easily be compared to other transcriptions to see if there is a gradual process that can be mapped, conceding that a version may have won out over others in transcription (but why would have it necessarily have been the one with the most amount of additions then?). However in absence of a map of gradually increasing teachings one would have to justify why they believe the longer version(s) were favoured in transcription.
Regardless of the issue, it should be solvable, but intuitively I'd say Antony's int he right.
Did the samurai have any navel training or battles
Yes they had loads of skills
Shoot Tanermura has got a very old copy of these scroll's, he said this 1987 ,in London, could be worth checking out
Cakes are more intricate and elaborate now in the 21st century than they ever have been before. We have cooking show competitions and the like which prove this. So no, cakes did not "go back to being simple" or even "less complex" than before. That the average person doesn't make an intricate cake is a terrible argument, especially when we are talking about specialists (which is what is far more relevant to something like Ninja, which is also a specialist of his craft)
Ninja didn't start in the pre-history of China, you mean ancient history. Pre-history is before written records. The Ninja lore started in ancient China, not pre-history China, because it begins with written records.
"Carbon-Dating doesn't work in Japan"
The laws of physics and chemistry work everywhere.
what you mean to say is that Carbon-Dating doesn't definitively prove originality of the document, but it can indicate age RELATIVE to other documents in question.
If you watch the video I am talking of home baking in the house. Yes they really have gone backwards.
This comment seems to have totally missed the point of this video.
@@AntonyCummins And how is that relevant to scrolls or the Ninja? History shows that things become more complex. Computers are more complex than they ever have been before in history. Cakes are more complex than they ever have been before in history. The economy is more complex now than in any point in history.
Things go from simple to complex, that is the trend we see in everything NOT Simple to complex to simple again as you suggest.
The fact that the average household buys their cake at the store doesn't change the fact that the most elaborate cakes in history are made today, and they're made by specialists, just like the Ninja were specialists.