Here's the thing....after someone gets abused and later realizes it....they often become obsessed with analysing what happened. I was in an abusive relationship, Borderline / Vulnerable narcissist for 5 years....at the time, I had no idea what it was....now I'm pretty much an expert in this area given that I have studied so much about it. And yes, I know the terms and talk about this topic now with confidence.....it was the most damaging experience I've ever had...but 4 years later, I'm unlikely to break down crying now......my answer with reference to the witness here "knowing the terms" and not "breaking down emotionally".
Yeah, I can relate to this. We can't use a woman's knowledge as evidence against her that her experience never happened. And it's true, the more you tell the story, the more removed from the emotion you get from it. Especially if you're on a TV show where you're put on the spot and know you have a limited time to educate people about what happened to you.
Totally agree. I had a similar experience but it took me over 20 years and the death of my mother to realise what had happened and the trauma it left me with
It can honestly take years too to actually accept what happened to you was abuse and specially if it was mental and you loved that person. Some can become abusive because of their mental illness too (like boderline), then you might want to excuse the abuse because that person is suffering.
In this case, the accusers are most definitely lying. It’s a real shame for several reasons. Colonel Kurtz, a RUclipsr has done extensive research on the subject. That’s all I came here to say. I wish all the survivors of abuse the very best❤️
Regardless of the truth what disturbs me the most is people automatically believing manson is guilty. Making comments about his image and using lyrics to try and prove him guilty. And him losing everything overnight. Last i checked its innocent until proven guilty. Using social media to publicly attack him and silence him truly disturbs me.
I think it’s very possible of him being guilty there are many sickos in Hollywood look at Armie hammer. However I don’t believe everyone who is accusing him are telling the truth. I think he possibly had a domestic situation that got way out of hand and is very well abusive.. and some people took it and ran with it for money over shadowing the one person he may have truly abused. He also is a mentally ill drug addict who has made his entire career on the back of the satanic panic. He’s just a Hollywood puppet, but very possibly an abuser. Like all things we see in media there is truth and lies shown at the same time.
Didn't he admit to some disgusting and abusive things in his own book though? But agree that it's not right to immidiatly assume he's guilty because of his style and shock rock music.
@@teijaflink2226 The book was a publicity stunt. Everyone in the book has long since said that none of it was true (the crazy stuff anyway). Even the people he claimed to have harmed in some way. I question Manson's state of mind and lack of foresight in publishing such a book like that. But It does not mean those things were true. Everyone including supposed victims said many times over it was not. So I do not think they can used this book in court. If the defense team does, they will open up all those people coming to testify for Marilyn Manson. Even those who no longer like him will stand up and tell the truth that Manson likes to lie to shock people and all that in the book was BS. (That kind of testimony would harm the defenses case. And I am specifically speaking about Trent Reznor, whom I have happened to meet personally and ask about this. He despised Manson at the time I knew him, and he probably still does, but he would have to speak the truth under oath and his testimony would be extremely devastating to the defense.) I personally wonder if the defense would make such a mistake though. We shall wait and see. 👁🗨
I've had a person try to obtain my services who was obviously lying. I had another person who had me completely fooled until the first hearing. And I've had others who were telling the truth but either imploded before the hearing or decided to compromise to guarantee the kids would be protected. I've also seen serial rapists weep on the stand about domestic violence and have the entire court staff in tears. I've seen CPS accept ridiculous stories by an abuser and continually refer to the victim to her face as "the perp." Would I have guessed correctly if I saw someone else interview any of them? Probably not. From the outside, there is no way to evaluate the truthfulness of an alleged victim except by having a lot of information that often doesn't make it into court. On repressed memories: It is super easy to unintentionally create false memories. All it takes is to try hard to remember something. That is, we create memories by trying to remember things. I went to a seminar on false memories where they ended by showing, without comment, forensic interviews of children. With knowledge from the lecture, people gasped as they saw the children accepting false memories suggested to them by the interviewer. Then the presenter explained that these were kids whose parents had already been convicted. It was the most life-changing and reality-bending 2 hours of my life. See the "Punch Bowl Study" for more weirdness.
So true it's not often easy to see who's telling the truth and specially abusers can be extremely manipulative and good at getting everyone on their side, while victims can be so stressed from the abuse that they can firget what they said before and just seem crazy to people which could lead to people taking the abusers side. So important to get facts and to document.
Don't know much about Manson, but have listened to Colonel Kurtz and Andrea Burkhart on the accusations which they don't buy into. I thought Wood rather glib in her statement. After the Depp/Heard trial it seems wise to treat allegations with caution: women are absolutely capable of fabrication if there is a strong financial motive to do so. I doubt that repressed memories are true if the person is responding to suggestions planted by the therapist or investigator.
Also rather convenient that ERW is accusing MM of doing all sorts of things to her now and yet at the time said that he was rather vanilla in bed and the way that she said it she sounded a bit disappointed.
@Gaby Meyer - yes following Colonel Kurtz who has been following the case in depth and Andrea Burkhart who is an excellent level headed attorney, it really makes you stop to think carefully about the accusations. Especially following the case involving A Heard who was found guilty of total fabrication. Money and personality disorders can have dire consequences.
Eric Huntley "I can see your point on it. I want to push back a little, though, because..." I am here for the dialogue. Imagine how much more productive debates could be if opposing viewpoints could be presented this way. Imagine engaging in meaningful conversation where it's safe to disagree and still form a human connection.
I'm about to be slightly controversial for a minute. I don't think a person should automatically believe the accuser just because they said something imparticular happened. People do get angry at other people sometimes. Sometimes one person might accuse another person for an offense just out of spite. You also can't assume someone is necessarily guilty just because they come off a little strange.
hello!!! I can't believe you're not only a fan but appears on Deadbugs channel, you never fail to impress me Doc! A superb video as always bud, you're fast becoming a legend 👏.
The guy who's interviewing (bald man) said that if this is done right ppl from both sides are going to mad howver it's clear to me he doesn't believe these 2 women and is trying to poke holes every chance he gets. I definitely wouldn't sub to his channel.
Just my two cents: the first, if some of the stories seem similar and people think that they are not true because the women talked to each other and even helped each other out writing statements and such, could it be because they were supporting each other, rather than co-conspiaring? I have gone through similar after gotten out of a DV. His next victims mom (small community, so not hard to find out how to reach me) called me and asked if her daughter could call me and maybe I could help her. I said absolutely, and the two of us talked for weeks. It was very therapeutic experience, she is the only person who knows exactly what being with this particular person was like. And we did help and support each other through our respective court cases. Second: could it be that memories were vague due to the intake of drugs and/or alcohol? And could that also explain why some of the women maybe didn't realize the abuse until after they started talking to each other. The above mentioned abuser had another victim after the two of us (I actually think I wasn't his first due to some of the things he said, that completely changed in meaning once I realized this was a pattern for him). She was studying sociology at a University when they were together. She was absolutely adamant that he didn't abuse her at all. Well sometimes they had heated arguments and she felt he was unfair. It wasn't until a bit after their divorce she read an interview (I am the interviewee in the article she read) that she started to realize that he was maybe a bit abusive to her. When I found out they were divorced, I reached out to her and offered her support if needed. We talked and one of the things that she told me was "he never hit me or hurt me physically. He would sometimes hold me down so I couldn't leave, or he would take my phone lock me in the room if we were having an argument". From my point of view, that was absolutely abuse. All of us went through years of torment, before we realized that he was the problem, not us. Gaslighting is insanely effective. Ps. Love your stuff Dr. Das. Almost finished with your book 😁
This seems such rubbish to me. It sounds to me your mind is made up. After reading all the court docs I can not believe MM is guilty of this behavior. Believe all women is going to ruin victim believability bc ppl are going to come to demand even more proof when we know that isn't always possible. Women making false claims should be jailed bc they are hurting womens causes...
I addressed this when my sister was trying for custody of her son. His father accused my sister and his ex-wife of conspiring. I pointed out that you could look at it that way, or could see it as he is consistent in his behavior towards his s/o and his children. Fortunately, we had documentation from doctors, counselors, teachers, etc who also reported patterns of behavior or were able to verify what the children were saying. And that can make the difference. Find outsiders who also notice the behavioral patterns even if it isn't the same behavior, but patterns.
I see what you're saying but what got me is the fact that Wood and Gore gave checklists of abusive acts to each accuser. It seemed to me that in order to make sure the accusations lined up with each accuser. Why would they need to do that? Also, why did 2 of these women say they had completely repressed memories of abuse but happened to have these repressed memories come up at the same time? That seems odd. These women are also giving a very odd timeline of events. Bianco claims to have been in a relationship and living with Manson at the same time that Smithline claimed to have been dating and living with Manson. There's just so many claims that don't add up.
@@bryan123483 lots of people don't realize things are abuse - especially if they have been gaslit(?? gaslighted??) It gets back to the whole boiling frog analogy. Toss a frog in boiling water and it freaks and tries to escape. Put a frog in nice comfy water and gradually turn up the heat and it will let you boil it without realizing what is going on. By the time outsiders see something is wrong, it is usually because that water is boiling and churning.
Colonel Kurtz posted a video on her channel a couple of months ago called "Marilyn Manson Innocent: All the Best Evidence In One FAST PRIMER Introduction to Lawsuit VS Evan" which elaborates on some of the issues with the accusations, & accusers, against Manson discussed here. Kurtz has done extensive research on the case, & the content on her channel includes deep dives, & recent updates. I would HIGHLY recommend that anyone who is interested in this case go check it out. ✌🏼
It's funny - my first thought on seeing this video was to copy the link and send it to Colonel Kurtz. I think she's astute and was spot on about the Depp Heard case, that Heard is unequivocally the abuser, but I'm not sure she's correct about the Manson case. In this video Hunley's questions, the dialogue, and respectful answers are incredibly fair-minded and allow for multiple possibilities.
We can't dismiss, ignore or sweep genuine pathological behaviours under the proverbial rug just because some entertainer takes on a weird and quasi-malevolent stage persona.
It's odd that Bianco has settled to me. Not because people don't settle all the time but because she said the whole point of the lawsuit was to expose Manson and PROVE that he's an abuser. She decided though to take a payout. That doesn't exactly line up to me.
I was sitting here wondering if either of you would comment on girl #1 face not moving much while she was talking cause I found it weird , 24:50 ,her pharmaceutical choice explains it. #2 the Smirk shows up on this girls face all too often in these statements she makes me uncomfortable , so I do not believe her.
She's clearly had work done and probably has botox paralyzing her face. Her lips are also overfilled, making it hard for her to speak or move her lips normally. I don't think this is evidence of her lying. I've spent years studying body language and reading faces because I have autism and had to learn, and I didn't see signs of deception here. I saw genuine emotion masked by beauty enhancements. You can hear it in her voice. She was being authentic.
@@m0L3ify Having cosmetic surgery that disfigures your face as badly as that girl’s does seem to show that there’s something wrong with her, whether it is deep insecurity or mental illness I don’t know.
I feel like when it comes to Manson, you can't judge off his past behaviour. He's always being a controversial figure but personally always associated it as almost an alter ego kind of thing. While there is no doubt reasons to be suspicious of the accusations it's important to remember things like Rachel Wood being good friends with Amber heard. Manson and Depp are close friends if this is coincidental or a deeper conspiracy is up to individual interpretation but remains sceptical not to mention she literally forged a search warrent last year which does not help her case. Great rounded video as always.
Totally agree. Of course I don't know MM or have ever stepped foot in their bedroom, bur I feel like the MeToo movement and feminist cancel culture fueled this case and the Depp/Heard DV and SA accusations like kerosene to a fire. The similarities are scary similar. Sadly, in addition to destroying these men's careers... if these accusations truly were fabricated, it's a huge blow to true DV/SA victims who want to have a voice.
Something I've learned about abusive men (or women): They sometimes have a woman/man they look up to (for what reason ever) who will be treated well. Everyone else is "not worthy" and can be used as a doormat. I think, this could very well have happened in this case, too. Strong woman who are able to set rules (like Dita von Teese probably did) were admired, little fan girls not so much (or not at all).
Thanks for believing us Dr Das ❤ I don’t think the victims knew each other initially but do now because of this case and people are using this information to dismiss the victims.
Hey Dr. Das, I haven't watched this full video yet, reluctantly paused at 28:32 as I have to get to work half an hour ago. Eek! I just wanted to say this before I rush out & into my day. I think this man really wants you to co-sign what he believes the facts or otherwise of this case to be. However, I am a deeply cynical, some might say jaded, person, so may well be wrong. Kudos to you in any case for his inability to sway you from your on-point professionalism. Regarding the 1st interviewee in the video being on ketamine, I knew a couple years back who really liked ketamine & took it daily, actually from first thing along with their morning coffee then regularly throughout the day, every day. They'd go on like this for a couple of weeks at a time, then sleep for about 3 days straight, come too, and start over. That girl's overall demeanor, reminded e so much of them, just something slightly off-kilter. Sort of semi-zoned-out vacancy. Hard to put into words. That was how they looked, that was how they lived. They both worked and progressed in their respective careers, they had a daughter, born well before the ketamine days, she was loved & very well looked after. People such as teachers at their daughters' school, parents of her friends, etc had no clue, they were seen as slightly eccentric hippy-dippy types. Tragically killed in a car crash, 6 years ago now, along with his father, who was driving them when a car coming in the other direction mowed straight into theirs. Four people, including a passenger in the other car, died that day. The driver, who'd had a sudden & massive heart attack, suffered terrible injuries and he too passed away by suicide a little over 4 months later. Will look forward to watching the rest of this when I get home again today.
I'm glad you clarified the meaning of "grooming" because when we are with someone over time, we tell them our secrets, innermost thoughts, weaknesses and show so much of our authentic selves - thus one will have "power" over each other because we have shared our innermost thoughts with each other - which they can easily abuse against us. As for Manson, he seems creepy, but I believe in due process, let the evidence come out, be considered and have their day in court before we know the answer
@@jadegreen1554the women are actresses crying crocodile tears. All evidence points to this. We judge based on evidence not emotions. The victims are extremely narcissistic and clearly full of shit because it contradicts statements she herself made about what a great guy he is for 10 years after their breakup and saying he helped her through an abortion, abuse from someone else, etc. not to mention forging an FBI letter she’s completely full of shit.
Oh and Ashlee Morgan Smithline (first girl) has since come out discounting her statement and saying the whole group of women is lying…so yeah this whole thing holds no merit at this point.
Flashbacks are not the same as false memories or suppressed memories. Why are poeple so motivated to prove false memories? Is it because they can't handle the ugly truth of SA? It's so hard for victims to speak, out of shame and fear and accusations of lying espacilly when it's happening in childhood. Drugs are making it more difficult for the victims and perpetraters to recall the SA. Of course these women know what grooming is at that stage. Every victim will tell it from their own perspective in their own way or personality. If there are accusations there should be an investigation. Maybe we should talk about the sentencing of predators. Thank you.
I feel the opposite, like the first young lady couldn't answer the questions because she had no memories to draw on, and I get that way immediately. a the info that followed just confirmed my feeling.
As a teenager, Brian Warner physically assaulted his mother and sent her to the hospital, because he suspected she was having an affair (see his 1999 autobiography). Also, according to an article by RollingStone (November 14, 2021), the women who accuse him were not all "friends" - whatever that word means. The same article mentions different episodes of rage targeting not only women but also men and talks about out-of-court settlements.
No he did not. lol The Autobiography was a work of fiction. Everyone knows this. His own parents even reassured the public that none of those things never happened. He had a pretty close loving relationship with his parents. I am sorry, but you are misinformed. Now writing a controversial book like that does show that he is a social outcast and not a grounded individual. Most people would not do something like that. He is weird guy. But he lied for clout. He wanted to make people think he was a disturbed character. And he could be quite disturbed, but in other ways. Just saying he did not do any of the things in that book. Everyone in the book has said so. Everyone. 🤷♀ This has been public knowledge since I was a teenager and I am in my 40s. lol
@@Gokce-Aysun I have doubt. I suggest you read the article by RollingStone. You will find a testimony about a rather disturbing behavior of MM towards his mother. The witness is a man.
All the women coming forward are buddies. They do know each other very well. I met Marilyn Manson a couple of times. He is super quiet type. He appears like he could easily be a doormat for women. I could see that being true, as people who knew him have said it too. That is the impression I got from him. But aside from my personal opinion about him which could be a different experience of course and it was in a group setting. However, the grooming stuff is BS to me.These women were all adults when they met Manson and interacted with him. A lot of them (aside from ERW) were older adults and were accusing him of grooming. This is quite ridiculous to me and manipulative behavior to me. It's like they are manipulating the public by using strong words like "grooming" "I was a child" "I was so innocent" "I was young." Even Evan Rachel Wood was none of these things when she met Manson. The other women even more so. Manson was not even the first much older man she had relations with. It's the revealed lies and contradictions and discrepancies that make these women's stories questionable. ERW is a way more forceful assertive person than MM according to many people knew them both. Ashley MS was a week long fling. She was not in a relationship with MM. None of these women understand what grooming is. These women disturb me. They are infantilizing us women and themselves. An adult woman has sexual agency. Nothing makes me more annoyed than people thinking a young women is incompetent and can't make her own choices. Can't choose her lover and does not know what she is doing. It just really gets under my skin. They are making it seem like they had no sexual agency and that they were children. It's really dishonest to me. I do not like where they are going with this. Ashley MS said she was on ketamine during this interview. So it kind of explains her strange behavior. She supposedly admitted to it. She looked sedated to me. She may have just not taken a lot of it. A lot of people think she ERW is a liar because she has lied. Like fabricating an FBI letter. ERW shows just as many characteristics as AH. And she's just an aggressive person. Every relationship she is in she completely changes her style of dress and her aesthetic, her personality even.. ERW was also abused as a child too.
Everyone who knows them say ERW dressed the way she wanted to. She changed herself to match MM and said to everyone it was her true self. She said this with other partners she had too. So the claim that the "he wanted me to look a certain way" was not true.
It's possible some are lying for money, Dr. Das. But ERW is quite successful. However, she has political agendas. If she is lying I do not think it is based on money for her. It would possibly be based on her movement and being a national spokes person for women of DV and IPV. Much like AH wanted to be. People always try to say there would be no motive for ERW to false accuse, but there is. This movement of hers is a possible motive. The movement itself has merit and is something good, so a lot of people are not going to want to see this possibility. This was the same thing with AH. It's so similar it's really bothersome to me.
I wrote a full reply to this this morning. Disgusted and confused as to why it has been deleted, but basically thanks for your comment and I support MM.
@@SJ-007 I did not see it. I have had comments disappear before myself. I wonder if RUclips does it because there are key words that are grounds for automatic deletion, though I have had perfectly good comments deleted and I can not understand what word could have done it. But I know the channel did not delete it, because it has happened on friends channels before who said they did not delete anything.
Eric Hundly is a guy trying to make money and grow his popularity. Other than entertainment he has no genuine investment in this issue and no access to first hand knowledge. To believe Eric Hundly is an affront to victims everywhere. In his first 3 minutes speaking here he misspoke and represented these women and friends colluding. If I were to speak about abuse I experienced as a child and teen prior to therapy, it was incredibly hard to simply speak about. After many years of therapy I can speak about it. I can organise my thoughts and express my feelings even more clearly through writing. It’s taken years but it can happen. People like Eric Hundly disgust me.
My question after watching this is...who the heck is Eric Hunley and why is he so interested in this? Does he have a dog in the race or is he just a person who has grasped on to it for his own personal reasons be it financial or to take up the rights of men. Frankly, the impression left with me is that he is a person looking for a cause to get some fame and fortune. Whatever his reasons, he will be creating victims himself. For this reason, I will never give him any attention in the future. Yuck. I feel dirty after watching him. Sorry Doc. I respect you but this interview was a mistake. Kjf
Agree. I subscribed to Hunley for a while because he has some interesting guests, along with the right wing conspiracy types. But his agenda is very off-putting, and this interview was manipulative in pursuit of that agenda. His manner belies the nastiness of what's going on here. Holding back his ''gotcha'' cards, and putting victims on trial in the court of public opinion because they don't present perfectly, or some know each other, implying a huge conspiracy is more likely than Manson is a wrongun. Sohom being a decent human being handled it well in the circs. But Hunley's audience will just latch onto what confirms their biases.
Gary Ramona is the man I thought Eric was alluding to. His 19 year old daughter, Holly, accused him of doing unspeakable things to her. She went to a therapist for help with bulimia and after a little time in therapy, a psychiatrist, and some sodium amytal she uncovered The Repressed Memories. Gary didn't go to prison but he lost everything; career, wife divorced him and took his two other daughters. The lore is, Holly Ramona went on to earn her Master's in clinical psychology.
Absolutely at the root is Power and Control. My teaching taught Me to always believe a Victim and statistically it was always in the very low percentile that Women go to Law Enforcement and have charges laid where it is proven a Victim is lying.
I can see your point. But isn’t always automatically believing the victim totally contrary to the whole innocent until proven guilty idea? If the person they are accusing is rich, powerful, famous and the ‘victim’ has a lot of attention, money and fame to gain by their accusations then I don’t think we can just automatically believe the victims all the time.
@@emilywilhite5807 As someone who has worked with "Victims" or as LE says the "Complainant" We still believe the Victim and there may be physical evidence of "Rape" or Violence on the Body and at times there can be mimimal to zero evidence. This can be accounted for often because Victims can ssy Shower and evidence is lost and very frequently many Victims do not go to the Police to report because of real fear of not being believed perhaps or maybe their Abuser is possibly well connected possibly rven in Law Enforcement. There are many reasons and often We see Younger Victims
Who wait years to gain the Courage to report assaults incurred long long times ago. Our Justice System is designed in that We have the Victim who is Alleging a Crime was committed against them by Mr Smith who becomes the Accused Party. Our Justice System is designed to afford anyone accused of a Crime the presumption of Innocence until found Guilty beyond a Reasonable Doubt by a Judge or Jury of their Peers. We absolutely according to the Criminal Code or the Constitution assume that just because a Woman accuses a Wealthy Male of Sexual Assault etc.. that She is automatically lying that is why We have in the US something called Due Process allowing both sides Accuser and Accused to have their Day in Court.💜
I’m confused by the idea of being suspicious of someone saying they were groomed just because it’s the technical term. If I said I had cancer, would you be doubtful because I know its called cancer? ( I don’t have cancer by the by, just to clarify)
Hi Dr Das what’s your take on the BBC going under cover inside the Edenfield centre within prestwich hospital in bury in Manchester and seeing the abusive behaviour from nurses and support workers abusing the patients?
It would be such an interesting topic for Dr Das to discuss, he has never brushed over sensitive topics throughout the time I have listened to his Podcasts. He could really highlight the under funding issues faced in NHS facilities and the challenges faced in these wards. Dr Das would you do it??
@@charking701 Yes Char , absolutely shocking. My nephew is currently in the Edenfield centre so it made it extremely upsetting and I have been trying to get through to speak to the ward manager because I want him out of there . I was reassured that 20 members of staff had been suspended and they wouldn’t tell me about any criminal charges brought against them but I hear only 4 people have been charged at present. I just worry about the care now because of the mistreatment they have suffered by staff employed to care . Disgusting.
@@michellemcgarr1709 . My heart goes out to you and all of your family! It was beyond shocking what I saw this week. I cannot imagine what you are going through, you are fighting an honest fight for your nephew and are trying to get answers. Have you thought about contacting your local MP? To raise this the safeguarding concerns that you are trying to get through to the Ward and the local health authority? They will be launching a massive enquiry into this, even by commenting here I can feel the love and compassion you feel. Your Nephew is lucky to have you fighting his cause and you will no doubt fight the cause for everyone else in there who doesn’t have a voice. This world needs more people like you never forget that. Love ❤️
I am more inclined to believe someone who can explain in detail an incident (like the first lady for eg) as opposed to ERW who was very vague and generalised. I cant say definitely what is true or not, who is victim or not - of course - however, i do have reservations that ERW isnt being completely honest. There are AH vibes there, she wouldve been in similar social circles and mutual friends etc to have ascertained if he was safe or at least heard rumours that he wasnt safe. I cant help think his stage persona was enticing to her and she had an expectation of what she was getting into but now, is perhaps feeling guilty or ashamed that what she wanted wasnt reciprocated enthusiastically (kink for eg) Its just too early to say for sure. Innocent til proven guilty
The first victim didn't say he tied her up the morning after they met. She said he'd do that the morning after she arrived back from Thailand every time she returned to the US. They'd already been friends for awhile and started sleeping together. Let's not misconstrue her story.
@@Gokce-Aysun They all were, other than the assistant who's lawsuit had already been thrown out. Two of the accusers claim to have been dating and living with Manson at the same time. Not exactly the same time but they overlap.
What I would like to know is what possesses women who have cosmetic surgery done that disfigures their face like the first woman in 5he video. The duckface is not a good look.
I had anorexia nervosa. It was in response to me being raped. It was complicated, but necessary in my healing journey. I used it to get my sense of power and control back.
I would have liked to have known if Dr Das' opinion of Manson's probably guilt was influenced as well by Manson's overall known personality profile having anything in common with offenders he has worked with e.g grandiosity, fascination with antisocial themes etc
Disagree that jimmy saville’s secretary is not similar to previous Manson relationships. with the First Lady, it doesn’t have to be grooming, he could have outright sexually assaulted her, it didn’t have to be grooming. But after the assault he could have maintained control with grooming. 18:02 adults have also been groomed, not just children, and not necessarily with a large age difference, it can be a large influence difference. 21:09 mirroring is very likely with grooming. Grooming breaks a victims mind and they are now being brainwashed and controlled. Perpetrators usually break the victims individuality and inject their own personality into the victim. Their brain is hijacked. 29:34 can we stop calling these experiences of victims, a relationship. A predator is a predator. A robber is not a relationship. 30:41 it’s not abnormal for grooming patterns to fit perfectly. Especially with grooming, it is typical that most victims don’t realize it is grooming until years sometimes decades after, usually after hearing about grooming and realizing it has happened to them. Most women don’t realize they have been raped or groomed until the realize it.
Well, consider what Satan does. Satan lies, kills, steals, and destroys souls. Jesus Christ tells truth, brings to life, restores and heals, and redeems souls. Marilyn Manson let Satan make him a monster. It's what Satan does.
I don't like the fact that Eric controlled what information Dr. Das had. The way he worded things were misleading, in my opinion. For example, the women may know each other NOW, but they didn't know each other before they were in relationships with Manson. Eric makes it sound as though they were all close friends before everything happened. Why wouldn't they reach out to each other as they became aware that others who were in relationships with Manson experienced similar things? I think that Eric used Dr. Das' credentials to lend validity to his beliefs, again, while cherry-picking the facts that Dr. Das received. I'm a bit disappointed with this interview. By the way, I'm not a strong supporter of Wood; I've just looked into the issue enough to know that there's SO much more to the story than what Manson supporters, including Eric, would have people believe. (I don't believe for a moment that Eric hasn't already made up his mind, as much as he denied it.) For example, Manson admitted in his own book that he threw a bottle at his mother's face, permanently scarring her. Additionally, from the book: ""In the altercations that followed, I hit her, spit on her and tried to choke her. She never retaliated. She just cried, and I never felt sorry for her." This is the man that everyone is trying to present as a gentle man whose public persona is just an act. Nah, stop gaslighting us!
Did you watch the video? Eric did not "control" the conversation, he asked questions & allowed Dr.Das to answer them. It was a very open, comfortable and equal conversation. This case is VERY VERY complicated with SO many moving parts, it would be impossible to bring Dr.Das up to speed with everything before this video. What you are describing as Eric "controlling the conversation, cherry picking and swaying" is simply Eric filling Dr. Das in on one of the million of facts that Dr.Das was unaware of. Unfortunately a lot of those facts are not in favor of his accusers. There isn't anything anyone can do about that. Facts are facts. Eric is not a "Manson Supporter" nor are any of the other lawyers covering his case. They are simply reacting to the cases and information being presented. That information is not favorable to his accusers. They look suspicious even to people that have little to no knowledge of the case or Marilyn Manson. Manson's book was a work of FICTION based on true events. He didn't write it. Neil Strauss did. And there is a very clear disclaimer in the book explaining what it is about and why it was written, but I'm assuming you didn't read that either....did you?
Evan lie at she couldn’t have Contact with her friends and family because it’s a fotos of Manson with Evan dad and her mom at Disney world he give them VIP PASSES
@@killsims Right? It's not like an abuser would ever groom the parents to make them like him so they won't believe their own daughter when she says something's wrong. That could never happen!
It’s possible the victims are not referring to repressed memories in the hypnosis sense, but memories that make sense to them after they were able to hear about another’s experience. A lot of times, doctor, you should know, victims especially victims of grooming cannot vocalize their experience because their mind has been colonized by a predator and broken. They may leave that entire part of their mind behind/repressed, but they can make sense of it after decades with therapy and information. So let’s not let someone like Eric control the discourse around how difficult and truly agonizing it is for a victim to have their mind hijacked from them, and they were a willing party to the assault on themselves. That’s a very specific kind of trauma. Just because it seems too clean doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Just because the victims are supporting each other doesn’t mean their story is untrue. It is very suspect that Eric’s life mission is to shed doubt on victims pain and to defend alleged criminals. What if what they’re saying is true? It’s not a great look.
No one knows what happens behind closed doors unless they were behind the closed doors. Also, a lot of covert types hide in plain sight right before the eyes of those (and very specifically so) closest to them. I wasn't there, I don't know what has or has not happened, but I now know reality and talking heads, commentators, gossips, critiques, still only talk and have opinions, and opinions only. We must know to know.
There was a suggestion that abuse of a group of people who know each other is unusual. I have heard of and seen for myself that this frequently occurs, especially with similar groups of people eg Looked After Children, child sexual exploitation and vulnerable social groups. It is not at all unusual that people know each other, what is unusual is that they talked about it together. I love the Dr, but sometimes I think he answers too quickly and has a limited field because his speciality is adults. I am trained to work with children and vulnerable adults and K have often seen group abuse.
You should cover the case of the lead singer for The Lost Prophets. If you haven't heard about it I'm sure you'll be very surprised by just how evil everything that happened was. The more interesting aspect, which I'd love to hear you cover, is how he brainwashed underage women and young mothers to commit the despicable acts they did.
Eric, most criminals, most people even, have patterns of behaviour. If you look at serial killers they do follow their little trends, so that the girls have similar stories is not surprising. MM is guilty as f..k. The only caveat, is he plays for the audience, and he ups the ante everytime, so I think he is a bit surprised when the audience complains. He is a good example too, that being crazy doesn't always exonerate you of being guilty.
Okay lets not beat around the bush the ther guy is pretty much defending Marilyn Manson. Like Imo some of his arguments are prettu stupid like the one where he is like how can there be partners who accuse him and others say that he is clean. So the thing I am wondering is why is he all of a sudden believing Manson so much and doesnt he realize all of his arguments can be used against mansons partners that defend him that they are lying. Or another possibility that they are still undrr his manipulation,fear or thinking there is nothing wrong with it etc there is a milllion different possibilities why they could be silent about the abuse. Also comparing the Depp vs Amber Heard case is super dumb in that case all of Depps ex partners said that he wasnt abusive but Amber Heards ex partners said that she was abusive. The Depp vs Heard case is sad in a sense because incels and misogynists use this as an argument why all women are liars and why abuse victims shouldnt be listened to. Pretty much belittling them and saying that it wasnt abuse that it didnt happen etc.
Did you just say a white model in Asia wouldn't feel vulnerable and isolated?? Also, I think, when you fly out to someone, you are already feeling a good amount of trust
I love your videos they are brilliant..but your guess who was talking about grooming can I just say he’s hard work to listen to..he’s hose around and doesn’t get to what he wants to say..you say it for him I like to listen to someone who says what has to say 🥱other than that brilliant video again ❤️👍💯
I personally believe her.. She’s saying all the same things that happened to me. Her reactions when she’s explaining what happened make me believe her. Grooming for me was him acting like a person I was already comfortable with then once I was completely moved into his home the real him came out.
She's also a well read, intelligent woman. She may also know all the right things to say. I just will not assume anything and automatically believe one over the other. She has to prove it like everyone else. Just because she is famous and white and female, she should not get special privileges. We are all innocent until proven guilty. Dr. Das is a forensic psychiatrist. It is not his job to judge or determine innocence or guilt. So he has the correct approach. Lay people (potential jurors) however should keep in mind that we are all innocent until proven guilty. We have to separate "she could be telling the truth" from "oh she is definitely telling the truth." There is a huge difference. I too suffered horrendous IPV once upon a time. I still do not ever want to be false witness or deliver false testimony, or be mistaken and condemn an innocent. Being a false witness or falsely accusing someone is one of the most terrible miscarriages of justice there could ever be. If I was a religious person- this would be the most horrendous sin to me. Liars are the most despicable of people to me. I would especially never make a liar out of myself. So, if I did not witness something myself, I just can not assume. I can be swayed by compelling evidence when this trial goes to court though.
I'm really not sure about who is lying and telling the truth but if this goes to court even if she's a victim I really doubt she will have any chances to win unless she has some good evidence of his abuse.
@@teijaflink2226 Which is as it should be. As an IPV survivor myself, I would never want to see the day where anyone could point fingers, accuse, convict, and condemn anyone without proof. That would be going back to Salem Witch Trial type mentality and many innocent people would end up harmed by that. (Some people lie.)
@@mabellynn4605 they didn’t say they are false he said ITS HARD TO KNOW IF meaning in this time period it’s hard to know if it’s true or false. Use your mind.
Dr Das you are absolutely an amazing human but this man really had an agenda and I don’t like how he tried to use you! I love already rounded perspectives so we can gain a better understanding of what happened, but the insinuation that the victims are lying is strong here! SN: the first lady was deffo on ketamine 😅 even if it was a small dose, the first thing I said was: “is she on drugs” but I love how you defended her from this man and all the people that think MM is innocent just because they like him.
Just wanted to say 👋🏼 hi I’m out of this since I’ve known him since ‘93. If you need a first hand account let me know. He’s only ever self harmed and we’ve almost lost him twice. He’s a wonderful friend and someone you can always count on. Research the debunking. Oh and he’s sober, married and with a child. He’s been through hell.
Thank you for speaking up. The man is a musical genius and I'm sorry that he's being treated this way. He will always have my love and support (and I'm not even a major fan, I just have a lot of tracks I love very much), and it saddens me that people will miss out just because they can't think for themselves or look at the bigger picture. At the present time I am not convinced by these women or their motives, and I say that as a woman who is generally sympathetic towards abuse victims. One thing that strikes me, isn't ERW Amber Heard's good mate? Anyway, I may have rambled as I've pretty much just woken up, so I apologise for that. I have not yet watched this video but looking forward to very much soon. MM will never be cancelled for me, unless I see some serious proof.
hard to hear you dismiss repressed memory like that... i thought it was a proven protective mecanism of the brain. it's such a blow for victims of sexual child abuse 😢
With The 1st lady my first thought was she did seem to be under the influence of something but then when she started crying I thought oh maybe she’s just trying to control her emotions but I just don’t know The second girl looked a bit disassociated Talk about suppressed memories and not seeing things for what they are. the example given - there was a gun Reply; Oh yes there was a gun it wasn’t until it was pointed out and I went back and looked Oh my gosh was she ever spell casting Is the red haired lady a bit of a ring leader on this? Oh ps The BTK serial killer’s wife of many years had absolutely no idea neither did his friends or community This is the same for other cases to. That horrible white haired mans secretary probably didn’t know either I think his mother certainly didn’t know and he lived with her for many years. Sometimes you don’t know, it just never enters your thoughts it’s then you don’t see things for what they are
It was hard to gauge the emotions of the first spotlighted woman because of her use of Botox. It paralyzed facial muscles that would have displayed involuntary microexpressions that we subconsciously observe and process.
I'm a 'survivor' to an abusive alcoholic narcissist but I still don't believe that whole BS 'Believe all women/victims' especially as some people revel in their victim hood and even make a living from it which is extremely off putting. Some of us women are nasty, spiteful, lying and conniving so, as I have more than two brain cells to rub together, evidence is really important to me. I will believe the victims when there is solid proof. Doing otherwise seems foolish and opens you up to being taken advantage of.
Set looking for a payoff. I am female older, i believe there was probably a little/lot jiggery pokery as people do having been married for 2 hundred years i imagine topics come up and people experiment and they work our whats ok whats not. If i understand she is saying this did not happen and, that he decided what the game was mmm she was 18 she did not have to play BUT by the time she/he were not interested SHE had became used to the very luxurious life style otherwise she could just have gone. I can reflect back on things when i was 18 and there are many things i could say were sexual because that is life when you are young and ‘available’ you PLAY
I'll say this... Please don't go onto the View when wanting to be taken seriously. The cackling hens is not the platform or if you want an educated audience.
I do enjoy Marilyn Manson's music but the allegations spoiled it for me. I went to Prestwich MusicvFestival this year, it's all tribute bands gig and MM was one of the headliners. Great performance, just made me feel uncomfortable and mind you that took place after recent allegations. How can we separate the artist from his personal life (recent Arcade Fore allegations). I do like some Puddle Of Mudd music so take my words with a grain of salt. A whole lot of salt. MM is an shock rock artist and the shock he delivered.
Here is my thing: If all her allegations are true I feel bad for her however.. had she followed his career for any length of time? Trying to turn him into some sweet prince or thinking he would have one sounds egotistical and ignorant at best. Just watching a few of his music videos.. he glorifies violence / abuse against women. I don't condone what he does in his videos but what intrigues me about him is that you always hear of people saying, "I don't care what anyone thinks about me".. but he was the one that really proved it. I love when someone threw something at him while on stage and he stopped the show and actually got the person on stage.. I will just say I highly doubt he would throw something else at him ever again. Also I find it amusing that in more than one video he was portraying a TRANSEXUAL and tons of straight men were glorifying him.. like WTF.. don't they normally target and harass transexuals? Marilyn Manson is one of the most interesting individuals ever.. regardless if he's good or bad. Oh and also, he isn't a satanist, he just did that stuff to get christians riled up to become even more famous, kinda brilliant in a way. But he's a self confessed atheist, pointing out how hypocritical christians are to anyone different. How ironic!
Obviously both lying. First one had no clue what she was saying and the second gave no examples from her heart or mind just generalisations And that's a massive mistake believing what women say , regardless, basically. They are the most macheavellian, manipulative selfish, cruel individuals when hurt or rejected for example
This is the definition of a bad-faith actor seeking to have his own confirmation bias and conspiratorial thinking confirmed by an expert. He's dressing up his incel proclivities in the cloak of "intellectual enquiry" - "hey, I'm just asking questions!" - bullshit. He wanted you to pick apart Evan Rachel Wood and Smithline's accounts, and you did a great job in not bending to his will. Imagine trying to argue with this guy on in a jury situation - torture. I don't know why you entertained this guy's schtick, he's FULLY in the pro-Manson camp. So this enquiry was absolutely bad-faith.
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Here's the thing....after someone gets abused and later realizes it....they often become obsessed with analysing what happened. I was in an abusive relationship, Borderline / Vulnerable narcissist for 5 years....at the time, I had no idea what it was....now I'm pretty much an expert in this area given that I have studied so much about it. And yes, I know the terms and talk about this topic now with confidence.....it was the most damaging experience I've ever had...but 4 years later, I'm unlikely to break down crying now......my answer with reference to the witness here "knowing the terms" and not "breaking down emotionally".
Yeah, I can relate to this. We can't use a woman's knowledge as evidence against her that her experience never happened. And it's true, the more you tell the story, the more removed from the emotion you get from it. Especially if you're on a TV show where you're put on the spot and know you have a limited time to educate people about what happened to you.
Totally agree. I had a similar experience but it took me over 20 years and the death of my mother to realise what had happened and the trauma it left me with
It can honestly take years too to actually accept what happened to you was abuse and specially if it was mental and you loved that person. Some can become abusive because of their mental illness too (like boderline), then you might want to excuse the abuse because that person is suffering.
Yes. I married into a family of Narcissists, not my husband, he was a victim but I am an expert. You become expert or you get revictimised.
In this case, the accusers are most definitely lying. It’s a real shame for several reasons. Colonel Kurtz, a RUclipsr has done extensive research on the subject. That’s all I came here to say. I wish all the survivors of abuse the very best❤️
Regardless of the truth what disturbs me the most is people automatically believing manson is guilty. Making comments about his image and using lyrics to try and prove him guilty. And him losing everything overnight. Last i checked its innocent until proven guilty. Using social media to publicly attack him and silence him truly disturbs me.
I think it’s very possible of him being guilty there are many sickos in Hollywood look at Armie hammer. However I don’t believe everyone who is accusing him are telling the truth. I think he possibly had a domestic situation that got way out of hand and is very well abusive.. and some people took it and ran with it for money over shadowing the one person he may have truly abused. He also is a mentally ill drug addict who has made his entire career on the back of the satanic panic. He’s just a Hollywood puppet, but very possibly an abuser. Like all things we see in media there is truth and lies shown at the same time.
Didn't he admit to some disgusting and abusive things in his own book though? But agree that it's not right to immidiatly assume he's guilty because of his style and shock rock music.
@@teijaflink2226 The book was a publicity stunt. Everyone in the book has long since said that none of it was true (the crazy stuff anyway). Even the people he claimed to have harmed in some way. I question Manson's state of mind and lack of foresight in publishing such a book like that. But It does not mean those things were true. Everyone including supposed victims said many times over it was not. So I do not think they can used this book in court. If the defense team does, they will open up all those people coming to testify for Marilyn Manson. Even those who no longer like him will stand up and tell the truth that Manson likes to lie to shock people and all that in the book was BS. (That kind of testimony would harm the defenses case. And I am specifically speaking about Trent Reznor, whom I have happened to meet personally and ask about this. He despised Manson at the time I knew him, and he probably still does, but he would have to speak the truth under oath and his testimony would be extremely devastating to the defense.) I personally wonder if the defense would make such a mistake though. We shall wait and see. 👁🗨
Yep, my intuition is he’s innocent.
@Karolyn Knight same with me
I've had a person try to obtain my services who was obviously lying. I had another person who had me completely fooled until the first hearing. And I've had others who were telling the truth but either imploded before the hearing or decided to compromise to guarantee the kids would be protected.
I've also seen serial rapists weep on the stand about domestic violence and have the entire court staff in tears. I've seen CPS accept ridiculous stories by an abuser and continually refer to the victim to her face as "the perp."
Would I have guessed correctly if I saw someone else interview any of them? Probably not.
From the outside, there is no way to evaluate the truthfulness of an alleged victim except by having a lot of information that often doesn't make it into court.
On repressed memories: It is super easy to unintentionally create false memories. All it takes is to try hard to remember something. That is, we create memories by trying to remember things.
I went to a seminar on false memories where they ended by showing, without comment, forensic interviews of children. With knowledge from the lecture, people gasped as they saw the children accepting false memories suggested to them by the interviewer. Then the presenter explained that these were kids whose parents had already been convicted.
It was the most life-changing and reality-bending 2 hours of my life.
See the "Punch Bowl Study" for more weirdness.
So true it's not often easy to see who's telling the truth and specially abusers can be extremely manipulative and good at getting everyone on their side, while victims can be so stressed from the abuse that they can firget what they said before and just seem crazy to people which could lead to people taking the abusers side. So important to get facts and to document.
You really classed up this interview with your thoughtful and professional approach to answering the questions.
Don't know much about Manson, but have listened to Colonel Kurtz and Andrea Burkhart on the accusations which they don't buy into. I thought Wood rather glib in her statement. After the Depp/Heard trial it seems wise to treat allegations with caution: women are absolutely capable of fabrication if there is a strong financial motive to do so. I doubt that repressed memories are true if the person is responding to suggestions planted by the therapist or investigator.
Also rather convenient that ERW is accusing MM of doing all sorts of things to her now and yet at the time said that he was rather vanilla in bed and the way that she said it she sounded a bit disappointed.
@Gaby Meyer - yes following Colonel Kurtz who has been following the case in depth and Andrea Burkhart who is an excellent level headed attorney, it really makes you stop to think carefully about the accusations. Especially following the case involving A Heard who was found guilty of total fabrication. Money and personality disorders can have dire consequences.
I agree with all of you in this comment. Its important to point these things out👍
Eric Huntley "I can see your point on it. I want to push back a little, though, because..."
I am here for the dialogue. Imagine how much more productive debates could be if opposing viewpoints could be presented this way. Imagine engaging in meaningful conversation where it's safe to disagree and still form a human connection.
I'm about to be slightly controversial for a minute. I don't think a person should automatically believe the accuser just because they said something imparticular happened. People do get angry at other people sometimes. Sometimes one person might accuse another person for an offense just out of spite. You also can't assume someone is necessarily guilty just because they come off a little strange.
hello!!! I can't believe you're not only a fan but appears on Deadbugs channel, you never fail to impress me Doc!
A superb video as always bud, you're fast becoming a legend 👏.
Aw, shucks. Thanks
The guy who's interviewing (bald man) said that if this is done right ppl from both sides are going to mad howver it's clear to me he doesn't believe these 2 women and is trying to poke holes every chance he gets. I definitely wouldn't sub to his channel.
Just my two cents: the first, if some of the stories seem similar and people think that they are not true because the women talked to each other and even helped each other out writing statements and such, could it be because they were supporting each other, rather than co-conspiaring? I have gone through similar after gotten out of a DV. His next victims mom (small community, so not hard to find out how to reach me) called me and asked if her daughter could call me and maybe I could help her. I said absolutely, and the two of us talked for weeks. It was very therapeutic experience, she is the only person who knows exactly what being with this particular person was like. And we did help and support each other through our respective court cases.
Second: could it be that memories were vague due to the intake of drugs and/or alcohol? And could that also explain why some of the women maybe didn't realize the abuse until after they started talking to each other. The above mentioned abuser had another victim after the two of us (I actually think I wasn't his first due to some of the things he said, that completely changed in meaning once I realized this was a pattern for him). She was studying sociology at a University when they were together. She was absolutely adamant that he didn't abuse her at all. Well sometimes they had heated arguments and she felt he was unfair. It wasn't until a bit after their divorce she read an interview (I am the interviewee in the article she read) that she started to realize that he was maybe a bit abusive to her. When I found out they were divorced, I reached out to her and offered her support if needed. We talked and one of the things that she told me was "he never hit me or hurt me physically. He would sometimes hold me down so I couldn't leave, or he would take my phone lock me in the room if we were having an argument". From my point of view, that was absolutely abuse. All of us went through years of torment, before we realized that he was the problem, not us. Gaslighting is insanely effective.
Ps. Love your stuff Dr. Das. Almost finished with your book 😁
This seems such rubbish to me. It sounds to me your mind is made up. After reading all the court docs I can not believe MM is guilty of this behavior. Believe all women is going to ruin victim believability bc ppl are going to come to demand even more proof when we know that isn't always possible. Women making false claims should be jailed bc they are hurting womens causes...
I addressed this when my sister was trying for custody of her son. His father accused my sister and his ex-wife of conspiring. I pointed out that you could look at it that way, or could see it as he is consistent in his behavior towards his s/o and his children.
Fortunately, we had documentation from doctors, counselors, teachers, etc who also reported patterns of behavior or were able to verify what the children were saying. And that can make the difference. Find outsiders who also notice the behavioral patterns even if it isn't the same behavior, but patterns.
I see what you're saying but what got me is the fact that Wood and Gore gave checklists of abusive acts to each accuser. It seemed to me that in order to make sure the accusations lined up with each accuser. Why would they need to do that?
Also, why did 2 of these women say they had completely repressed memories of abuse but happened to have these repressed memories come up at the same time? That seems odd.
These women are also giving a very odd timeline of events. Bianco claims to have been in a relationship and living with Manson at the same time that Smithline claimed to have been dating and living with Manson.
There's just so many claims that don't add up.
If you've actually gone through it, then it should piss you off more when someone fakes it.
@@bryan123483 lots of people don't realize things are abuse - especially if they have been gaslit(?? gaslighted??) It gets back to the whole boiling frog analogy. Toss a frog in boiling water and it freaks and tries to escape. Put a frog in nice comfy water and gradually turn up the heat and it will let you boil it without realizing what is going on. By the time outsiders see something is wrong, it is usually because that water is boiling and churning.
Marilyn Manson can never get a break from accusations and controversy
Colonel Kurtz posted a video on her channel a couple of months ago called "Marilyn Manson Innocent: All the Best Evidence In One FAST PRIMER Introduction to Lawsuit VS Evan" which elaborates on some of the issues with the accusations, & accusers, against Manson discussed here. Kurtz has done extensive research on the case, & the content on her channel includes deep dives, & recent updates. I would HIGHLY recommend that anyone who is interested in this case go check it out. ✌🏼
I will do thanks. I believe MM is innocent of these accusations too, this will be an interesting watch.
It's funny - my first thought on seeing this video was to copy the link and send it to Colonel Kurtz. I think she's astute and was spot on about the Depp Heard case, that Heard is unequivocally the abuser, but I'm not sure she's correct about the Manson case. In this video Hunley's questions, the dialogue, and respectful answers are incredibly fair-minded and allow for multiple possibilities.
We can't dismiss, ignore or sweep genuine pathological behaviours under the proverbial rug just because some entertainer takes on a weird and quasi-malevolent stage persona.
Thank you
I am definitely not a MM fan but I do not believe he is guilty! More grifters!
Manson is a grifter too, he’s grifting off of the satanic panic.
It's odd that Bianco has settled to me. Not because people don't settle all the time but because she said the whole point of the lawsuit was to expose Manson and PROVE that he's an abuser. She decided though to take a payout. That doesn't exactly line up to me.
I was sitting here wondering if either of you would comment on girl #1 face not moving much while she was talking cause I found it weird , 24:50 ,her pharmaceutical choice explains it. #2 the Smirk shows up on this girls face all too often in these statements she makes me uncomfortable , so I do not believe her.
She's clearly had work done and probably has botox paralyzing her face. Her lips are also overfilled, making it hard for her to speak or move her lips normally. I don't think this is evidence of her lying. I've spent years studying body language and reading faces because I have autism and had to learn, and I didn't see signs of deception here. I saw genuine emotion masked by beauty enhancements. You can hear it in her voice. She was being authentic.
@@m0L3ify Having cosmetic surgery that disfigures your face as badly as that girl’s does seem to show that there’s something wrong with her, whether it is deep insecurity or mental illness I don’t know.
I feel like when it comes to Manson, you can't judge off his past behaviour. He's always being a controversial figure but personally always associated it as almost an alter ego kind of thing. While there is no doubt reasons to be suspicious of the accusations it's important to remember things like Rachel Wood being good friends with Amber heard. Manson and Depp are close friends if this is coincidental or a deeper conspiracy is up to individual interpretation but remains sceptical not to mention she literally forged a search warrent last year which does not help her case. Great rounded video as always.
Totally agree. Of course I don't know MM or have ever stepped foot in their bedroom, bur I feel like the MeToo movement and feminist cancel culture fueled this case and the Depp/Heard DV and SA accusations like kerosene to a fire. The similarities are scary similar.
Sadly, in addition to destroying these men's careers... if these accusations truly were fabricated, it's a huge blow to true DV/SA victims who want to have a voice.
@@SSringmaster As a feminist no true one makes false accusations of sa
She is NOT good friends with Amber Heard. She has made that absolutely clear.
Something I've learned about abusive men (or women): They sometimes have a woman/man they look up to (for what reason ever) who will be treated well. Everyone else is "not worthy" and can be used as a doormat. I think, this could very well have happened in this case, too. Strong woman who are able to set rules (like Dita von Teese probably did) were admired, little fan girls not so much (or not at all).
Thanks for believing us Dr Das ❤
I don’t think the victims knew each other initially but do now because of this case and people are using this information to dismiss the victims.
Hey Dr. Das, I haven't watched this full video yet, reluctantly paused at 28:32 as I have to get to work half an hour ago. Eek! I just wanted to say this before I rush out & into my day. I think this man really wants you to co-sign what he believes the facts or otherwise of this case to be. However, I am a deeply cynical, some might say jaded, person, so may well be wrong. Kudos to you in any case for his inability to sway you from your on-point professionalism. Regarding the 1st interviewee in the video being on ketamine, I knew a couple years back who really liked ketamine & took it daily, actually from first thing along with their morning coffee then regularly throughout the day, every day. They'd go on like this for a couple of weeks at a time, then sleep for about 3 days straight, come too, and start over. That girl's overall demeanor, reminded e so much of them, just something slightly off-kilter. Sort of semi-zoned-out vacancy. Hard to put into words. That was how they looked, that was how they lived. They both worked and progressed in their respective careers, they had a daughter, born well before the ketamine days, she was loved & very well looked after. People such as teachers at their daughters' school, parents of her friends, etc had no clue, they were seen as slightly eccentric hippy-dippy types. Tragically killed in a car crash, 6 years ago now, along with his father, who was driving them when a car coming in the other direction mowed straight into theirs. Four people, including a passenger in the other car, died that day. The driver, who'd had a sudden & massive heart attack, suffered terrible injuries and he too passed away by suicide a little over 4 months later. Will look forward to watching the rest of this when I get home again today.
totally agree. This guy came at this from a thoroughly bad-faith position, and that much was obvious from the off.
I'm glad you clarified the meaning of "grooming" because when we are with someone over time, we tell them our secrets, innermost thoughts, weaknesses and show so much of our authentic selves - thus one will have "power" over each other because we have shared our innermost thoughts with each other - which they can easily abuse against us. As for Manson, he seems creepy, but I believe in due process, let the evidence come out, be considered and have their day in court before we know the answer
“Are these women acting like a GENUINE victim would?” Wow. Just wow.
I know right. This man is truly offensive. Why is his life’s mission to defend alleged criminals? It’s so suspect.
@@jadegreen1554the women are actresses crying crocodile tears. All evidence points to this. We judge based on evidence not emotions. The victims are extremely narcissistic and clearly full of shit because it contradicts statements she herself made about what a great guy he is for 10 years after their breakup and saying he helped her through an abortion, abuse from someone else, etc. not to mention forging an FBI letter she’s completely full of shit.
Oh and Ashlee Morgan Smithline (first girl) has since come out discounting her statement and saying the whole group of women is lying…so yeah this whole thing holds no merit at this point.
Flashbacks are not the same as false memories or suppressed memories. Why are poeple so motivated to prove false memories? Is it because they can't handle the ugly truth of SA? It's so hard for victims to speak, out of shame and fear and accusations of lying espacilly when it's happening in childhood. Drugs are making it more difficult for the victims and perpetraters to recall the SA. Of course these women know what grooming is at that stage. Every victim will tell it from their own perspective in their own way or personality. If there are accusations there should be an investigation. Maybe we should talk about the sentencing of predators. Thank you.
That first woman said that she stayed with him every chance she got, yet her first encounter with him was waking to him abusing her...?
I feel the opposite, like the first young lady couldn't answer the questions because she had no memories to draw on, and I get that way immediately. a the info that followed just confirmed my feeling.
As a teenager, Brian Warner physically assaulted his mother and sent her to the hospital, because he suspected she was having an affair (see his 1999 autobiography). Also, according to an article by RollingStone (November 14, 2021), the women who accuse him were not all "friends" - whatever that word means. The same article mentions different episodes of rage targeting not only women but also men and talks about out-of-court settlements.
No he did not. lol The Autobiography was a work of fiction. Everyone knows this. His own parents even reassured the public that none of those things never happened. He had a pretty close loving relationship with his parents. I am sorry, but you are misinformed.
Now writing a controversial book like that does show that he is a social outcast and not a grounded individual. Most people would not do something like that. He is weird guy. But he lied for clout. He wanted to make people think he was a disturbed character. And he could be quite disturbed, but in other ways. Just saying he did not do any of the things in that book. Everyone in the book has said so. Everyone. 🤷♀ This has been public knowledge since I was a teenager and I am in my 40s. lol
@@Gokce-Aysun I have doubt. I suggest you read the article by RollingStone. You will find a testimony about a rather disturbing behavior of MM towards his mother. The witness is a man.
@@hwi6913 Rolling Stone is not a good source. Everyone knows this.
All the women coming forward are buddies. They do know each other very well.
I met Marilyn Manson a couple of times. He is super quiet type. He appears like he could easily be a doormat for women. I could see that being true, as people who knew him have said it too. That is the impression I got from him. But aside from my personal opinion about him which could be a different experience of course and it was in a group setting. However, the grooming stuff is BS to me.These women were all adults when they met Manson and interacted with him. A lot of them (aside from ERW) were older adults and were accusing him of grooming. This is quite ridiculous to me and manipulative behavior to me. It's like they are manipulating the public by using strong words like "grooming" "I was a child" "I was so innocent" "I was young." Even Evan Rachel Wood was none of these things when she met Manson. The other women even more so. Manson was not even the first much older man she had relations with. It's the revealed lies and contradictions and discrepancies that make these women's stories questionable. ERW is a way more forceful assertive person than MM according to many people knew them both. Ashley MS was a week long fling. She was not in a relationship with MM. None of these women understand what grooming is.
These women disturb me. They are infantilizing us women and themselves. An adult woman has sexual agency. Nothing makes me more annoyed than people thinking a young women is incompetent and can't make her own choices. Can't choose her lover and does not know what she is doing. It just really gets under my skin. They are making it seem like they had no sexual agency and that they were children. It's really dishonest to me. I do not like where they are going with this.
Ashley MS said she was on ketamine during this interview. So it kind of explains her strange behavior. She supposedly admitted to it. She looked sedated to me. She may have just not taken a lot of it.
A lot of people think she ERW is a liar because she has lied. Like fabricating an FBI letter.
ERW shows just as many characteristics as AH. And she's just an aggressive person. Every relationship she is in she completely changes her style of dress and her aesthetic, her personality even.. ERW was also abused as a child too.
Everyone who knows them say ERW dressed the way she wanted to. She changed herself to match MM and said to everyone it was her true self. She said this with other partners she had too. So the claim that the "he wanted me to look a certain way" was not true.
It's possible some are lying for money, Dr. Das. But ERW is quite successful. However, she has political agendas. If she is lying I do not think it is based on money for her. It would possibly be based on her movement and being a national spokes person for women of DV and IPV. Much like AH wanted to be. People always try to say there would be no motive for ERW to false accuse, but there is. This movement of hers is a possible motive. The movement itself has merit and is something good, so a lot of people are not going to want to see this possibility. This was the same thing with AH. It's so similar it's really bothersome to me.
Answer: We have to explore every single case. MM is innocent until proven guilty.
I wrote a full reply to this this morning. Disgusted and confused as to why it has been deleted, but basically thanks for your comment and I support MM.
@@SJ-007 I did not see it. I have had comments disappear before myself. I wonder if RUclips does it because there are key words that are grounds for automatic deletion, though I have had perfectly good comments deleted and I can not understand what word could have done it. But I know the channel did not delete it, because it has happened on friends channels before who said they did not delete anything.
Great interview. How have you not got 100k subscribers yet.
Eric Hundly is a guy trying to make money and grow his popularity. Other than entertainment he has no genuine investment in this issue and no access to first hand knowledge. To believe Eric Hundly is an affront to victims everywhere. In his first 3 minutes speaking here he misspoke and represented these women and friends colluding. If I were to speak about abuse I experienced as a child and teen prior to therapy, it was incredibly hard to simply speak about. After many years of therapy I can speak about it. I can organise my thoughts and express my feelings even more clearly through writing. It’s taken years but it can happen. People like Eric Hundly disgust me.
Outstanding video! As a student of forensic psychology this is absolutely fascinating and I totally count it as 'independent study'!
Glad you enjoyed it!
My question after watching this is...who the heck is Eric Hunley and why is he so interested in this? Does he have a dog in the race or is he just a person who has grasped on to it for his own personal reasons be it financial or to take up the rights of men. Frankly, the impression left with me is that he is a person looking for a cause to get some fame and fortune. Whatever his reasons, he will be creating victims himself. For this reason, I will never give him any attention in the future. Yuck. I feel dirty after watching him. Sorry Doc. I respect you but this interview was a mistake. Kjf
You have completely misinterpreted him and ascribed behaviour to him with no evidence.
Agree. I subscribed to Hunley for a while because he has some interesting guests, along with the right wing conspiracy types. But his agenda is very off-putting, and this interview was manipulative in pursuit of that agenda. His manner belies the nastiness of what's going on here. Holding back his ''gotcha'' cards, and putting victims on trial in the court of public opinion because they don't present perfectly, or some know each other, implying a huge conspiracy is more likely than Manson is a wrongun.
Sohom being a decent human being handled it well in the circs. But Hunley's audience will just latch onto what confirms their biases.
@@Lilacrosepetalleaf He is a victimizer who reaps rewards off those he victimizes. That's my opinion.
What the... Weird thing to say. I really like the man and his channel
@@kellyfinleybrown9313 opinions don't prove anything.
Gary Ramona is the man I thought Eric was alluding to. His 19 year old daughter, Holly, accused him of doing unspeakable things to her. She went to a therapist for help with bulimia and after a little time in therapy, a psychiatrist, and some sodium amytal she uncovered The Repressed Memories. Gary didn't go to prison but he lost everything; career, wife divorced him and took his two other daughters.
The lore is, Holly Ramona went on to earn her Master's in clinical psychology.
Absolutely at the root is Power and Control. My teaching taught Me to always believe a Victim and statistically it was always in the very low percentile that Women go to Law Enforcement and have charges laid where it is proven a Victim is lying.
I can see your point. But isn’t always automatically believing the victim totally contrary to the whole innocent until proven guilty idea? If the person they are accusing is rich, powerful, famous and the ‘victim’ has a lot of attention, money and fame to gain by their accusations then I don’t think we can just automatically believe the victims all the time.
@@emilywilhite5807 As someone who has worked with "Victims" or as LE says the "Complainant" We still believe the Victim and there may be physical evidence of "Rape" or Violence on the Body and at times there can be mimimal to zero evidence. This can be accounted for often because Victims can ssy Shower and evidence is lost and very frequently many Victims do not go to the Police to report because of real fear of not being believed perhaps or maybe their Abuser is possibly well connected possibly rven in Law Enforcement. There are many reasons and often We see Younger Victims
Who wait years to gain the Courage to report assaults incurred long long times ago.
Our Justice System is designed in that We have the Victim who is Alleging a Crime
was committed against them by Mr Smith who becomes the Accused Party. Our Justice System is designed to afford anyone accused of a Crime the presumption of Innocence until found Guilty beyond a Reasonable Doubt by a Judge or Jury of their Peers. We absolutely according to the Criminal Code or the Constitution assume that just because a Woman accuses a Wealthy Male of Sexual Assault etc.. that She is automatically lying that is why We have in the US something called Due Process allowing both sides Accuser and Accused to have their Day in Court.💜
I’m confused by the idea of being suspicious of someone saying they were groomed just because it’s the technical term. If I said I had cancer, would you be doubtful because I know its called cancer? ( I don’t have cancer by the by, just to clarify)
It’s easier to check whether someone has cancer.
Theres a lot of people including myself who questions the validity of mansons accusers.
I have to say this is marilyn manson he's known 4 his craziness
Great content bro 👊🏽
Mr Juice! Cheers, fam.
DrDas..you’re outstanding⭐️
Dr. Shohondas laying down the law, big up you madman RE-SPECT!
Hi Dr Das what’s your take on the BBC going under cover inside the Edenfield centre within prestwich hospital in bury in Manchester and seeing the abusive behaviour from nurses and support workers abusing the patients?
It would be such an interesting topic for Dr Das to discuss, he has never brushed over sensitive topics throughout the time I have listened to his Podcasts.
He could really highlight the under funding issues faced in NHS facilities and the challenges faced in these wards.
Dr Das would you do it??
@@charking701 Yes I’d be really interested to listen if he did Char .
@@michellemcgarr1709. I think he would give such a balanced overview! It was really shocking watching it this week!
@@charking701 Yes Char , absolutely shocking. My nephew is currently in the Edenfield centre so it made it extremely upsetting and I have been trying to get through to speak to the ward manager because I want him out of there . I was reassured that 20 members of staff had been suspended and they wouldn’t tell me about any criminal charges brought against them but I hear only 4 people have been charged at present. I just worry about the care now because of the mistreatment they have suffered by staff employed to care . Disgusting.
@@michellemcgarr1709 . My heart goes out to you and all of your family! It was beyond shocking what I saw this week. I cannot imagine what you are going through, you are fighting an honest fight for your nephew and are trying to get answers. Have you thought about contacting your local MP? To raise this the safeguarding concerns that you are trying to get through to the Ward and the local health authority? They will be launching a massive enquiry into this, even by commenting here I can feel the love and compassion you feel. Your Nephew is lucky to have you fighting his cause and you will no doubt fight the cause for everyone else in there who doesn’t have a voice. This world needs more people like you never forget that. Love ❤️
I am more inclined to believe someone who can explain in detail an incident (like the first lady for eg) as opposed to ERW who was very vague and generalised. I cant say definitely what is true or not, who is victim or not - of course - however, i do have reservations that ERW isnt being completely honest. There are AH vibes there, she wouldve been in similar social circles and mutual friends etc to have ascertained if he was safe or at least heard rumours that he wasnt safe.
I cant help think his stage persona was enticing to her and she had an expectation of what she was getting into but now, is perhaps feeling guilty or ashamed that what she wanted wasnt reciprocated enthusiastically (kink for eg)
Its just too early to say for sure. Innocent til proven guilty
Ketamine upset the Hell out of me. It brought back a series of negative past experiences.
The first victim didn't say he tied her up the morning after they met. She said he'd do that the morning after she arrived back from Thailand every time she returned to the US. They'd already been friends for awhile and started sleeping together. Let's not misconstrue her story.
Are you talking about Ashley Smithline? She was Manson's fling. For a week. lol
@@Gokce-Aysun They all were, other than the assistant who's lawsuit had already been thrown out. Two of the accusers claim to have been dating and living with Manson at the same time. Not exactly the same time but they overlap.
What I would like to know is what possesses women who have cosmetic surgery done that disfigures their face like the first woman in 5he video. The duckface is not a good look.
Hi dr das I would love an episode on eating disorders and if you’ve encountered them in your work
I had anorexia nervosa. It was in response to me being raped. It was complicated, but necessary in my healing journey. I used it to get my sense of power and control back.
@@melisentiapheiffer3034 hope everything’s okay with you now
I would have liked to have known if Dr Das' opinion of Manson's probably guilt was influenced as well by Manson's overall known personality profile having anything in common with offenders he has worked with e.g grandiosity, fascination with antisocial themes etc
Disagree that jimmy saville’s secretary is not similar to previous Manson relationships.
with the First Lady, it doesn’t have to be grooming, he could have outright sexually assaulted her, it didn’t have to be grooming. But after the assault he could have maintained control with grooming.
18:02 adults have also been groomed, not just children, and not necessarily with a large age difference, it can be a large influence difference.
21:09 mirroring is very likely with grooming. Grooming breaks a victims mind and they are now being brainwashed and controlled. Perpetrators usually break the victims individuality and inject their own personality into the victim. Their brain is hijacked.
29:34 can we stop calling these experiences of victims, a relationship. A predator is a predator. A robber is not a relationship.
30:41 it’s not abnormal for grooming patterns to fit perfectly. Especially with grooming, it is typical that most victims don’t realize it is grooming until years sometimes decades after, usually after hearing about grooming and realizing it has happened to them. Most women don’t realize they have been raped or groomed until the realize it.
Has Eric ever been accused of Grooming... Just asking.. For a friend.
Well, consider what Satan does. Satan lies, kills, steals, and destroys souls. Jesus Christ tells truth, brings to life, restores and heals, and redeems souls.
Marilyn Manson let Satan make him a monster. It's what Satan does.
Please update with new legal documentation by Ashley Morgan Smithline she has submitted to court as accessory to ERW & Illma Gore.
I don't like the fact that Eric controlled what information Dr. Das had. The way he worded things were misleading, in my opinion. For example, the women may know each other NOW, but they didn't know each other before they were in relationships with Manson. Eric makes it sound as though they were all close friends before everything happened. Why wouldn't they reach out to each other as they became aware that others who were in relationships with Manson experienced similar things? I think that Eric used Dr. Das' credentials to lend validity to his beliefs, again, while cherry-picking the facts that Dr. Das received. I'm a bit disappointed with this interview.
By the way, I'm not a strong supporter of Wood; I've just looked into the issue enough to know that there's SO much more to the story than what Manson supporters, including Eric, would have people believe. (I don't believe for a moment that Eric hasn't already made up his mind, as much as he denied it.) For example, Manson admitted in his own book that he threw a bottle at his mother's face, permanently scarring her. Additionally, from the book: ""In the altercations that followed, I hit her, spit on her and tried to choke her. She never retaliated. She just cried, and I never felt sorry for her." This is the man that everyone is trying to present as a gentle man whose public persona is just an act. Nah, stop gaslighting us!
Did you watch the video?
Eric did not "control" the conversation, he asked questions & allowed Dr.Das to answer them. It was a very open, comfortable and equal conversation.
This case is VERY VERY complicated with SO many moving parts, it would be impossible to bring Dr.Das up to speed with everything before this video.
What you are describing as Eric "controlling the conversation, cherry picking and swaying" is simply Eric filling Dr. Das in on one of the million of facts that Dr.Das was unaware of. Unfortunately a lot of those facts are not in favor of his accusers. There isn't anything anyone can do about that. Facts are facts.
Eric is not a "Manson Supporter" nor are any of the other lawyers covering his case. They are simply reacting to the cases and information being presented. That information is not favorable to his accusers. They look suspicious even to people that have little to no knowledge of the case or Marilyn Manson.
Manson's book was a work of FICTION based on true events. He didn't write it. Neil Strauss did. And there is a very clear disclaimer in the book explaining what it is about and why it was written, but I'm assuming you didn't read that either....did you?
@@LibbyKay188 nah. You're deluded. Eric is fully in the "Manson is innocent" camp, he's just pretending to be objective.
I like this Doc but I think he should know that Evan worked on the new Law that came out and she is VERY aware of the SYMPTOMS.
Evan lie at she couldn’t have Contact with her friends and family because it’s a fotos of Manson with Evan dad and her mom at Disney world he give them VIP PASSES
@@killsims Right? It's not like an abuser would ever groom the parents to make them like him so they won't believe their own daughter when she says something's wrong. That could never happen!
It’s possible the victims are not referring to repressed memories in the hypnosis sense, but memories that make sense to them after they were able to hear about another’s experience. A lot of times, doctor, you should know, victims especially victims of grooming cannot vocalize their experience because their mind has been colonized by a predator and broken. They may leave that entire part of their mind behind/repressed, but they can make sense of it after decades with therapy and information. So let’s not let someone like Eric control the discourse around how difficult and truly agonizing it is for a victim to have their mind hijacked from them, and they were a willing party to the assault on themselves. That’s a very specific kind of trauma. Just because it seems too clean doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Just because the victims are supporting each other doesn’t mean their story is untrue. It is very suspect that Eric’s life mission is to shed doubt on victims pain and to defend alleged criminals. What if what they’re saying is true? It’s not a great look.
No one knows what happens behind closed doors unless they were behind the closed doors. Also, a lot of covert types hide in plain sight right before the eyes of those (and very specifically so) closest to them. I wasn't there, I don't know what has or has not happened, but I now know reality and talking heads, commentators, gossips, critiques, still only talk and have opinions, and opinions only. We must know to know.
The victim blaming guy looks like he's been on To Catch a Predator...
There was a suggestion that abuse of a group of people who know each other is unusual. I have heard of and seen for myself that this frequently occurs, especially with similar groups of people eg Looked After Children, child sexual exploitation and vulnerable social groups. It is not at all unusual that people know each other, what is unusual is that they talked about it together. I love the Dr, but sometimes I think he answers too quickly and has a limited field because his speciality is adults. I am trained to work with children and vulnerable adults and K have often seen group abuse.
You should cover the case of the lead singer for The Lost Prophets. If you haven't heard about it I'm sure you'll be very surprised by just how evil everything that happened was. The more interesting aspect, which I'd love to hear you cover, is how he brainwashed underage women and young mothers to commit the despicable acts they did.
Eric, most criminals, most people even, have patterns of behaviour. If you look at serial killers they do follow their little trends, so that the girls have similar stories is not surprising. MM is guilty as f..k. The only caveat, is he plays for the audience, and he ups the ante everytime, so I think he is a bit surprised when the audience complains. He is a good example too, that being crazy doesn't always exonerate you of being guilty.
Okay lets not beat around the bush the ther guy is pretty much defending Marilyn Manson. Like Imo some of his arguments are prettu stupid like the one where he is like how can there be partners who accuse him and others say that he is clean. So the thing I am wondering is why is he all of a sudden believing Manson so much and doesnt he realize all of his arguments can be used against mansons partners that defend him that they are lying. Or another possibility that they are still undrr his manipulation,fear or thinking there is nothing wrong with it etc there is a milllion different possibilities why they could be silent about the abuse. Also comparing the Depp vs Amber Heard case is super dumb in that case all of Depps ex partners said that he wasnt abusive but Amber Heards ex partners said that she was abusive. The Depp vs Heard case is sad in a sense because incels and misogynists use this as an argument why all women are liars and why abuse victims shouldnt be listened to. Pretty much belittling them and saying that it wasnt abuse that it didnt happen etc.
"Buy my GD book," lol, now I just might.
28:00 triggering 😢
It all seems extremely fishy to me? I must say if my daughter looked up to MM like these girls did I would extremely worried. Evil groopies??$$$
Did you just say a white model in Asia wouldn't feel vulnerable and isolated??
Also, I think, when you fly out to someone, you are already feeling a good amount of trust
First class - by the way.
The concept of monster is a bit more debatable. There are many theories about victims and perpetrators
I love your videos they are brilliant..but your guess who was talking about grooming can I just say he’s hard work to listen to..he’s hose around and doesn’t get to what he wants to say..you say it for him
I like to listen to someone who says what has to say 🥱other than that brilliant video again ❤️👍💯
Rachel woods and Manson were engaged for 3 years so maybe that's why she feels pretty comfortable?
I personally believe her.. She’s saying all the same things that happened to me. Her reactions when she’s explaining what happened make me believe her. Grooming for me was him acting like a person I was already comfortable with then once I was completely moved into his home the real him came out.
She's also a well read, intelligent woman. She may also know all the right things to say. I just will not assume anything and automatically believe one over the other. She has to prove it like everyone else. Just because she is famous and white and female, she should not get special privileges. We are all innocent until proven guilty.
Dr. Das is a forensic psychiatrist. It is not his job to judge or determine innocence or guilt. So he has the correct approach. Lay people (potential jurors) however should keep in mind that we are all innocent until proven guilty. We have to separate "she could be telling the truth" from "oh she is definitely telling the truth." There is a huge difference.
I too suffered horrendous IPV once upon a time. I still do not ever want to be false witness or deliver false testimony, or be mistaken and condemn an innocent. Being a false witness or falsely accusing someone is one of the most terrible miscarriages of justice there could ever be. If I was a religious person- this would be the most horrendous sin to me. Liars are the most despicable of people to me. I would especially never make a liar out of myself. So, if I did not witness something myself, I just can not assume. I can be swayed by compelling evidence when this trial goes to court though.
I'm really not sure about who is lying and telling the truth but if this goes to court even if she's a victim I really doubt she will have any chances to win unless she has some good evidence of his abuse.
@@teijaflink2226 yes, hopefully she has pics.. I did.
@@teijaflink2226 Which is as it should be. As an IPV survivor myself, I would never want to see the day where anyone could point fingers, accuse, convict, and condemn anyone without proof. That would be going back to Salem Witch Trial type mentality and many innocent people would end up harmed by that. (Some people lie.)
I think this is difficult to judge so many women are making false accusations now
How do u know there false??
@@mabellynn4605 they didn’t say they are false he said ITS HARD TO KNOW IF meaning in this time period it’s hard to know if it’s true or false. Use your mind.
#istandwithmarilynmanson
#marilynmansonisinnocent
Marylin Manson is a God, all those women had no issues till he ddnt want to be them# shame on them
Why are you not on telegram??? You could have a lot of people who would come on the channel better than on here
A teenage girls total fantasy is a rock star or it was mine as a teenage girl just saying
Dr Das you are absolutely an amazing human but this man really had an agenda and I don’t like how he tried to use you! I love already rounded perspectives so we can gain a better understanding of what happened, but the insinuation that the victims are lying is strong here!
SN: the first lady was deffo on ketamine 😅 even if it was a small dose, the first thing I said was: “is she on drugs” but I love how you defended her from this man and all the people that think MM is innocent just because they like him.
Just wanted to say 👋🏼 hi
I’m out of this since I’ve known him since ‘93.
If you need a first hand account let me know.
He’s only ever self harmed and we’ve almost lost him twice.
He’s a wonderful friend and someone you can always count on.
Research the debunking.
Oh and he’s sober, married and with a child. He’s been through hell.
Thank you for speaking up. The man is a musical genius and I'm sorry that he's being treated this way. He will always have my love and support (and I'm not even a major fan, I just have a lot of tracks I love very much), and it saddens me that people will miss out just because they can't think for themselves or look at the bigger picture. At the present time I am not convinced by these women or their motives, and I say that as a woman who is generally sympathetic towards abuse victims.
One thing that strikes me, isn't ERW Amber Heard's good mate?
Anyway, I may have rambled as I've pretty much just woken up, so I apologise for that. I have not yet watched this video but looking forward to very much soon.
MM will never be cancelled for me, unless I see some serious proof.
Manson doesn't have a kid
hard to hear you dismiss repressed memory like that...
i thought it was a proven protective mecanism of the brain.
it's such a blow for victims of sexual child abuse 😢
Grooming applies to little kids
With The 1st lady my first thought was she did seem to be under the influence of something but then when she started crying I thought oh maybe she’s just trying to control her emotions but I just don’t know
The second girl looked a bit disassociated
Talk about suppressed memories and not seeing things for what they are.
the example given - there was a gun
Reply; Oh yes there was a gun
it wasn’t until it was pointed out and I went back and looked Oh my gosh was she ever spell casting
Is the red haired lady a bit of a ring leader on this?
Oh ps The BTK serial killer’s wife of many years had absolutely no idea neither did his friends or community This is the same for other cases to.
That horrible white haired mans secretary probably didn’t know either I think his mother certainly didn’t know and he lived with her for many years.
Sometimes you don’t know, it just never enters your thoughts it’s then you don’t see things for what they are
It was hard to gauge the emotions of the first spotlighted woman because of her use of Botox. It paralyzed facial muscles that would have displayed involuntary microexpressions that we subconsciously observe and process.
@@christinefeaster4102 agreed yet her whole body is immobile
Just say you don’t believe survivors and move on dude. Thanks for believing us Doc❤️
I'm a 'survivor' to an abusive alcoholic narcissist but I still don't believe that whole BS 'Believe all women/victims' especially as some people revel in their victim hood and even make a living from it which is extremely off putting. Some of us women are nasty, spiteful, lying and conniving so, as I have more than two brain cells to rub together, evidence is really important to me. I will believe the victims when there is solid proof. Doing otherwise seems foolish and opens you up to being taken advantage of.
Let me know if Marilyn hits you up 👊💕 I genuinely believe Brian is chill and has an interesting stage style
Ok. One who was abused after being groomed from 8year to 14years, this woman is a fake. I ran and never looked back. MOVE ON.
Is that deodorant? I prefer T. rex
I believe Manson
I see you T-Rex 🦖
Set looking for a payoff. I am female older, i believe there was probably a little/lot jiggery pokery as people do having been married for 2 hundred years i imagine topics come up and people experiment and they work our whats ok whats not. If i understand she is saying this did not happen and, that he decided what the game was mmm she was 18 she did not have to play BUT by the time she/he were not interested SHE had became used to the very luxurious life style otherwise she could just have gone. I can reflect back on things when i was 18 and there are many things i could say were sexual because that is life when you are young and ‘available’ you PLAY
I'll say this... Please don't go onto the View when wanting to be taken seriously. The cackling hens is not the platform or if you want an educated audience.
I do not believe this is true at all .
I do enjoy Marilyn Manson's music but the allegations spoiled it for me. I went to Prestwich MusicvFestival this year, it's all tribute bands gig and MM was one of the headliners. Great performance, just made me feel uncomfortable and mind you that took place after recent allegations. How can we separate the artist from his personal life (recent Arcade Fore allegations). I do like some Puddle Of Mudd music so take my words with a grain of salt. A whole lot of salt. MM is an shock rock artist and the shock he delivered.
Here is my thing: If all her allegations are true I feel bad for her however.. had she followed his career for any length of time? Trying to turn him into some sweet prince or thinking he would have one sounds egotistical and ignorant at best. Just watching a few of his music videos.. he glorifies violence / abuse against women. I don't condone what he does in his videos but what intrigues me about him is that you always hear of people saying, "I don't care what anyone thinks about me".. but he was the one that really proved it. I love when someone threw something at him while on stage and he stopped the show and actually got the person on stage.. I will just say I highly doubt he would throw something else at him ever again. Also I find it amusing that in more than one video he was portraying a TRANSEXUAL and tons of straight men were glorifying him.. like WTF.. don't they normally target and harass transexuals? Marilyn Manson is one of the most interesting individuals ever.. regardless if he's good or bad. Oh and also, he isn't a satanist, he just did that stuff to get christians riled up to become even more famous, kinda brilliant in a way. But he's a self confessed atheist, pointing out how hypocritical christians are to anyone different. How ironic!
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Obviously both lying. First one had no clue what she was saying and the second gave no examples from her heart or mind just generalisations
And that's a massive mistake believing what women say , regardless, basically. They are the most macheavellian, manipulative selfish, cruel individuals when hurt or rejected for example
All I wanted to say was… Ted Bundy, so many serial killers had wives that didn’t suspect a thing
This is the definition of a bad-faith actor seeking to have his own confirmation bias and conspiratorial thinking confirmed by an expert. He's dressing up his incel proclivities in the cloak of "intellectual enquiry" - "hey, I'm just asking questions!" - bullshit. He wanted you to pick apart Evan Rachel Wood and Smithline's accounts, and you did a great job in not bending to his will. Imagine trying to argue with this guy on in a jury situation - torture. I don't know why you entertained this guy's schtick, he's FULLY in the pro-Manson camp. So this enquiry was absolutely bad-faith.