Right.. I'm confused if he's talking about the use of a GanFet circuit or the tube. He's already pointed out the AGD uses a real custom made tube and the mytek uses a fake tube cover.
The engineer for mytek worked with Alberto to make the gan fet that is being used by AGD and mytek. The mytek amp wasn’t released but has been made for a few years now alongside AGD
@@OCDHIFiGuy same reason i am pissed of at mytek. Money. I want to expose Mytek, but i am giving Michal a last chance of fixing my problem with them. 12 months has passed, and this fool keeps beating around the bush
@ I’ve never heard that before and I’m not knowledgeable in their relationship outside what I heard on the podcast. But I do know mytek had these at CAF a few years ago so Alberto being mad now all of a sudden doesn’t seem right.
What problems are you trying to solve by encapsulating an electronic device inside a glass tube ? It's little wonder these so called "copy cats" didn't copy it anyway, instead encapsulating it inside a metal cage which is going to offer a high degree of shielding compared to glass.
First off, it's aluminum, so I'm not sure what it will shield well, but it's not RFI (copper) and it's not EMI (steel). Furthermore, the AGD does not have the module inches from a giant magnet (torroid) nor even inside the chassis shared with the power supply. It's outside the chassis. Distance from an emitting offender is always best. The glass is to observe/admire the circuit. Not to shield.
and what is really bad is it most likely sound just the same as what they are copying. So the real stupidity is people spending this type of money for any of this stupid shit.
Totally. Is your Alpinestars made in Italy still or is it Pakistan these days ? Dianese sold out.. nothing like a $1500 Arai that needs to be changed every, what ? 3 years now ?? Aaaand, the $25K Superbike seems to be the norm. So spend your money on whatever sold out to China bullshit you want, but we all buy stupid overpriced shit. And all the good Italian bike brands have Chinese parts.
Just take the su-r1000, it also uses GAN tech plus LAPC, plus bypasses chip and doesn´t use up amps, while having basically a DAC inside. 10k USD, amp/DAC/riaa/headphone out/watt meters/remote. Plus the thing also uses battery tech.
Is the copy catting (if thats a word) the use of the GanFet circuit? If the Mytek uses a fake tube and AGD is using a real tube they designed how is it a copy? The AGD amps tubes are replacable correct? Going by the pictures the mytek is again using the "fake tube" they wouldn't be? The AGD seems to be the better value in that regard. Point is if its the tube we are talking about it's probably even more nefarious on Mytek's point as they are trying to make it look the same when its not. I'd be curious of head to head sound to hear the real differences
@toddt5562 yeah, if you're not married, then seducing your girlfriend is fair play as well, right ?? There's something called honor and respect, and there is little left in this world...
I won't buy a copy cat. When I have enough money on the side I'll choose real exotic, timeless, something like Nat audio and the German slate speakers. I need big transformers, big power supplies and real rare tubes
Good choices... although there are other options too. The NATs are old school tubes. The thing I like about the AGDs and Orchards... they sip power and don't generate heat. Fisher & Fisher are the speaker makers. Acora accoustics w their gemstone are the ones to beat. Saw then at AXPONA this year..
@michaelsegel8758 God bless the inefficient, hot, heavy nuclear reactors we get to put in our homes. They have magic that Class D can never equal. Just read the marketing..lol.. they say thier class d "sounds like tubes" because tubes are the actual reference. So if you are about saving money on your electric bill, then class D is the clear choice. If you are shopping for Acora, your Electric bill is completely irrelevant, since those speakers start at $30 or $40K currently. Fischer&Fischer does the same thing for less than half the price... its the clear winner IMHO...
@@OCDHIFiGuy The Acora Gemstone speakers have WAF. (Not that I could afford them.) Her idea would be to put speakers in the ceiling to hide them. Sorry my 'man cave' is my office so the best speakers would be the new Radiants and class D where I'd bake from the amp heat. (think 10x12 room)
I only know mytek from fancy HiFi influencers and always liked their design. How is their credibility out of this mess here? Not that I'd buy gear that expensive and such behavior disqualifies companies for me anyways.
It's not bad gear. It's mediocre in my opinion. I feel that it sounds just like the majority of gear out there. Good. But only good, and not great. Nothing remarkable to me. But he's in NYC, the stronghold for the Audio Media, and they take care of thier own. Just my .02c
Whatever, every class a/b amp is a rip off of the one before it . Don't need to reinvent the wheel. It comes with a flat top as well if you don't like the bubble.
@Pete.across.the.street lol. Of course he didn't invent it, but he has advanced it farther than any other company by breaking all the old rules. He is an innovator. Mytek is a copycat. Big difference.
Mike, did you give Michel a chance to respond to your claims? Michel is a very respected designer in the pro audio community. He’s also been very honest with me when I evaluated his gear. How do know he didn’t do his own take on the technology in the circuits before and after the module? Also, he says on his site that the orange tube is decorative and he offers a non-tube cover.
@realleescoggins uhhh. Hi Lee, Behringer is really respected in the pro audio industry as well.. so that means little to me for HiFi.. im not interested in Michael's response whatsoever. I'm not a journalist. This is a 6 minute video and that's all I care to spend on this. I dont care about the circuits that Skip designed for him. I'm pointing out that he puts a "decorative" fake tube on his product, which I find revolting. Nice that he adds a back door exit option for the fake tube showing utter non-comittment to the design. I dont think this product is worthy of my respect, based on the fake tube alone. That's all...
Dude! What a rant! Ok... lets set aside the Mytek for a second. While AGD was the first to create a GaN Amp, if memory serves he did a lot of the work when he was working for a company to design the GaN FET. He then bought out their supply and started to build stereo amps w the FETs. (I forget where I read/heard this story... maybe Jay Lee's video???) So yes Kudos to AGD, brilliant design. But don't talk about the other companies like Orchard which AFAIK they did their own design. [Edit: You did catch yourself later in the vid, but early on... you started to hate on everyone who make a GaNFET amp which is what I am talking about...] Also IMHO the best bagels are actually in Cleveland at a place called Bialy's Bagels in University Hts. (Ok so he got his start in NYC before moving to Cleveland...) [RIP Corkey and Lenny's] Now back to Mytek... If it were a chi-fi knockoff for less ... ok sure. If I were to go GaNFET, I would see if I could afford the AGDs but if not... Orchard Audio. Great reporting and uncovering this story.
@michaelsegel8758 this video was about mytek copying the tube idea for a GaN amp. Orchard is another story alltogether. Bottom line is many companies just copy others and make a "me too" product. They have no solid think tank, they just copy trends. We know who they are... lol.
Omg stop whining and making inaccurate statements. GaN has been around longer AGD. I’ve owned the AGD GV and whilst very good they don’t hold a candle to my NAT tubes or even my Line Magnetic 845 premium.
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Most amps copy proven designs in one form or another. Same with speakers and everything else
Right.. I'm confused if he's talking about the use of a GanFet circuit or the tube. He's already pointed out the AGD uses a real custom made tube and the mytek uses a fake tube cover.
It's about a LOOK. Fully class D amp with a tube... we can't see the circuit as they covered it. My video is in regard to a look.
The engineer for mytek worked with Alberto to make the gan fet that is being used by AGD and mytek. The mytek amp wasn’t released but has been made for a few years now alongside AGD
Interesting @OCD Mikey
@t.j.bennett6454 then why is Alberto pissed off at Mytek ??
@@OCDHIFiGuy same reason i am pissed of at mytek. Money. I want to expose Mytek, but i am giving Michal a last chance of fixing my problem with them. 12 months has passed, and this fool keeps beating around the bush
@ I’ve never heard that before and I’m not knowledgeable in their relationship outside what I heard on the podcast. But I do know mytek had these at CAF a few years ago so Alberto being mad now all of a sudden doesn’t seem right.
@@OCDHIFiGuy this amp has not been released for 4 years watch youtube man
And that amplifier is $10K!! What a ripoff. They even admitted it on their website!!
Crazy, right ?
This is not the fist time. I seen other amps using lights to fake tube glow. Or that they use tubes, but they're not even a part of the audio circuit!
Please tell us which ones. I've never seen that.
And copying is the highest form of flattery…🤡
@@dragocelander6671 lol. Right ??
Another justified and epic rant, my dopamine levels are now fully restored - thanks!
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@@connorduke4619 glad you enjoyed it !
I just came for the comments. They are always entertaining on Mikey videos
Lol. You can count on me Scotty !!
What problems are you trying to solve by encapsulating an electronic device inside a glass tube ? It's little wonder these so called "copy cats" didn't copy it anyway, instead encapsulating it inside a metal cage which is going to offer a high degree of shielding compared to glass.
In the hi-end world it's called "gimme something poors cannot afford". This is why dagostino sells sapphires, and agd sells tubes.
First off, it's aluminum, so I'm not sure what it will shield well, but it's not RFI (copper) and it's not EMI (steel). Furthermore, the AGD does not have the module inches from a giant magnet (torroid) nor even inside the chassis shared with the power supply. It's outside the chassis. Distance from an emitting offender is always best. The glass is to observe/admire the circuit. Not to shield.
Isn't "stereo monoblock" an oxymoron?
Yes. Did I say that ?
@OCDHIFiGuy sorry if I missed you also saying that. I watched the intro, saw the cost of the amp and jumped straight to the comments 🙂
and what is really bad is it most likely sound just the same as what they are copying. So the real stupidity is people spending this type of money for any of this stupid shit.
Totally. Is your Alpinestars made in Italy still or is it Pakistan these days ? Dianese sold out.. nothing like a $1500 Arai that needs to be changed every, what ? 3 years now ?? Aaaand, the $25K Superbike seems to be the norm. So spend your money on whatever sold out to China bullshit you want, but we all buy stupid overpriced shit. And all the good Italian bike brands have Chinese parts.
Just take the su-r1000, it also uses GAN tech plus LAPC, plus bypasses chip and doesn´t use up amps, while having basically a DAC inside. 10k USD, amp/DAC/riaa/headphone out/watt meters/remote. Plus the thing also uses battery tech.
Is the copy catting (if thats a word) the use of the GanFet circuit? If the Mytek uses a fake tube and AGD is using a real tube they designed how is it a copy? The AGD amps tubes are replacable correct? Going by the pictures the mytek is again using the "fake tube" they wouldn't be? The AGD seems to be the better value in that regard. Point is if its the tube we are talking about it's probably even more nefarious on Mytek's point as they are trying to make it look the same when its not. I'd be curious of head to head sound to hear the real differences
It's a copy of a look. A fully Class D amp with a tube on the chassis.. they hid thier circuit or we could then compare circuitry..
Well if it's not a patent infringement then it's fair play 😂... Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery as they say 😂
@toddt5562 yeah, if you're not married, then seducing your girlfriend is fair play as well, right ?? There's something called honor and respect, and there is little left in this world...
@@OCDHIFiGuy Damn, that's the understatement of the century!!!
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Even your wife is fair game any more
My second DAC was almost the Mytek Brooklyn DAC. Guess I made a good call going another direction.
They are OK, but just like these amps, nothing special other than marketing. "Me too" DACs and "me too" amps...
They are OK, but just like these amps, nothing special other than marketing. "Me too" DACs and "me too" amps...
I won't buy a copy cat.
When I have enough money on the side I'll choose real exotic, timeless, something like Nat audio and the German slate speakers.
I need big transformers, big power supplies and real rare tubes
Agreed.
Good choices... although there are other options too. The NATs are old school tubes. The thing I like about the AGDs and Orchards... they sip power and don't generate heat.
Fisher & Fisher are the speaker makers. Acora accoustics w their gemstone are the ones to beat. Saw then at AXPONA this year..
@michaelsegel8758 God bless the inefficient, hot, heavy nuclear reactors we get to put in our homes. They have magic that Class D can never equal. Just read the marketing..lol.. they say thier class d "sounds like tubes" because tubes are the actual reference. So if you are about saving money on your electric bill, then class D is the clear choice. If you are shopping for Acora, your Electric bill is completely irrelevant, since those speakers start at $30 or $40K currently. Fischer&Fischer does the same thing for less than half the price... its the clear winner IMHO...
@@OCDHIFiGuy
The Acora Gemstone speakers have WAF.
(Not that I could afford them.)
Her idea would be to put speakers in the ceiling to hide them.
Sorry my 'man cave' is my office so the best speakers would be the new Radiants and class D where I'd bake from the amp heat. (think 10x12 room)
I only know mytek from fancy HiFi influencers and always liked their design. How is their credibility out of this mess here? Not that I'd buy gear that expensive and such behavior disqualifies companies for me anyways.
It's not bad gear. It's mediocre in my opinion. I feel that it sounds just like the majority of gear out there. Good. But only good, and not great. Nothing remarkable to me. But he's in NYC, the stronghold for the Audio Media, and they take care of thier own. Just my .02c
Whatever, every class a/b amp is a rip off of the one before it . Don't need to reinvent the wheel. It comes with a flat top as well if you don't like the bubble.
Lol. A Mytek fan boy, I guess.... tell me how Jeff Rowland 555 class A/B is a "ripoff" of something else....
@OCDHIFiGuy don't care about myteck at all. Jeff didn't invent class a/b, that's how.
@Pete.across.the.street lol. Of course he didn't invent it, but he has advanced it farther than any other company by breaking all the old rules. He is an innovator. Mytek is a copycat. Big difference.
It’s going to save mytek from litigation with fake tube
@wwoolworth there you go... its the power indicator LED
Send’em packing BlackSheep💯💯🤘🏻🤘🏻👊🏻👊🏻
@@DNW2868 pow !!
They shoud have stayed with making DACs.
They have made amps for a longtime
@philipgardiner2003 yeah, it's a mid level outfit anyways...
Mike, did you give Michel a chance to respond to your claims? Michel is a very respected designer in the pro audio community. He’s also been very honest with me when I evaluated his gear. How do know he didn’t do his own take on the technology in the circuits before and after the module? Also, he says on his site that the orange tube is decorative and he offers a non-tube cover.
@realleescoggins uhhh. Hi Lee, Behringer is really respected in the pro audio industry as well.. so that means little to me for HiFi.. im not interested in Michael's response whatsoever. I'm not a journalist. This is a 6 minute video and that's all I care to spend on this. I dont care about the circuits that Skip designed for him. I'm pointing out that he puts a "decorative" fake tube on his product, which I find revolting. Nice that he adds a back door exit option for the fake tube showing utter non-comittment to the design. I dont think this product is worthy of my respect, based on the fake tube alone. That's all...
@ But if you are a journalist, you would allow him to comment. That’s the fair thing to do.
What’s up Mikey! Still got that coda for sale?😊
Lol. Sold the day I dropped the video...
It also sounds like shit.
Ruh-Roh !!!
@@daverolson you've heard it in your system at home?
just get the (out of patent) $500 darTZeel NHB-108 clone. it beats almost everything
Except the pride of owning the original. You know in your own head you are making a concession. Like buying a fake rolex... lol. No way..
Now, this is pretty ridiculous in the form rip-offs!
@@travis4619 so obvious..
Dude!
What a rant!
Ok... lets set aside the Mytek for a second.
While AGD was the first to create a GaN Amp, if memory serves he did a lot of the work when he was working for a company to design the GaN FET. He then bought out their supply and started to build stereo amps w the FETs. (I forget where I read/heard this story... maybe Jay Lee's video???)
So yes Kudos to AGD, brilliant design.
But don't talk about the other companies like Orchard which AFAIK they did their own design.
[Edit: You did catch yourself later in the vid, but early on... you started to hate on everyone who make a GaNFET amp which is what I am talking about...]
Also IMHO the best bagels are actually in Cleveland at a place called Bialy's Bagels in University Hts. (Ok so he got his start in NYC before moving to Cleveland...)
[RIP Corkey and Lenny's]
Now back to Mytek...
If it were a chi-fi knockoff for less ... ok sure.
If I were to go GaNFET, I would see if I could afford the AGDs but if not... Orchard Audio.
Great reporting and uncovering this story.
@michaelsegel8758 this video was about mytek copying the tube idea for a GaN amp. Orchard is another story alltogether. Bottom line is many companies just copy others and make a "me too" product. They have no solid think tank, they just copy trends. We know who they are... lol.
I smell lawsuit.....
@LIL-MAN_theOG not worth it...
Lol, good luck Serving the Summons......
not really.. In Fact Mikey's video is the perfect defense. AGD uses a real tube, Mytek doesn't.. It's just for show.
Omg stop whining and making inaccurate statements. GaN has been around longer AGD. I’ve owned the AGD GV and whilst very good they don’t hold a candle to my NAT tubes or even my Line Magnetic 845 premium.
What's your point? There is always something better than XYZ.
What's inaccurate ?? I agree about NAT tubes. It's why I'm the USA importer for that brand. You got the Magma Evos yet ??
Well copyrighted
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Nope it is a total ripoff
Lol. Even more direct...
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@@byronb. weird, I'll check it out. Thx.
Wow. 👎 What a lack of creativity. No passion just trying to make a buck.
@@jasonw512 thumbs DOWN
At least is not made in China...
How do you know ??? Lol. It said "designed" in NY
@@OCDHIFiGuy oh my... 🤦🏻
It's made in poland. Just take a look at the back of the amplifier it says it right there @@OCDHIFiGuy
@@net_news "designed in" means "not made in"
It’s made in Poland.