this is genuinely really cool, those rack mount units have always intrigued me but the prices are always so high as to discourage me from purchasing one. I will try the midi file on the SC-88 Pro for fun to see what happens.
@@YuutaTogashi0707 Ok and? it didn't stop me from playing this one on it, As a rompler is a rompler and it is designed play MIDI data. Obviously it didn't sound the same cause the 88Pro does not use "XV" engine but the results I got were interesting and still sounded like the song.
Dang it. Now I can't listen to the original, your version sounds a lot cleaner, for some reason, to my ears. Thanks for the video and the explanation in the description!
Not if you're not into making music using MIDI and sampling. Essentially, the Roland Sound Canvas/Studio Canvas models are machines that can be programmed to reproduce sound samples that are stored in their memories or to generate fundamental waveforms used in electronic music (sine wave, triangle wave, square wave etc). These machines were used to create the soundtrack to an infinitude of video game soundtracks and general listening music back in the 90's, and is still used in a lot of music to this day, due to its versatility and, nowadays, desireable "cheesy" sound that a lot of people have come to really enjoy, myself included, though I'm not a composer myself (I just have tons of composer friends who are really into these things lol). A lot of the recognizable sounds from Touhou songs, mainly the infamous ZUNpets, came from machines like this. Like Chris says in the description, ZUN used a Studio Canvas SD-90 model, which is one of the many models Roland released over the years. Chris basically re-programmed, to astounding accuracy, U.N. Owen was her? in one of their own related Roland machines, and what we're seeing in the video is the machine's screen display, showing what's going on inside its guts. Fascinating stuff, really.
XV-5080 without any expansion cards or samples (which is essentially what the VSTi is) isn't enough to reproduce SD-90/80 patches accurately. I've listed hardware expansion boards needed for this track in the description. Some are available in Roland Cloud while others aren't. The MIDI file provided in the description contains full patch data I used for the track in sysex (system exclusive messages). Although last time I messed with the VST it didn't come with support for importing such data. If that's still the case, I'd suggest checking out a few third party patch editors for XV/JV modules (I don't have a personal recommendation).
What?? I want to use SD-90 instruments to make a mashup on the theme of Harry and Flanders, in this style What is Studio Canvas... I need to know everything that ZUN used to make music on, otherwise I won't be calm. Although it won't do me any good if I never get this synthesizer, and I have to use packs of soundfonts for SD-90 instruments, and then not for all. That's why I don't have the Classical Square instrument.
SD-90's full product name is "EDIROL StudioCanvas SD-90". There were a few other products in this line (SD-80, SD-20, etc). SD-90 is the primary hardware synth ZUN has been using for decades now although over the years he has added more and more software instruments to his mix. If you want to know more on what ZUN uses in his mix I'd refer you to the following spreadsheet: tinyurl.com/TouhouSheet The vast majority of SD-90's sounds come from Roland's expandable PCM sound modules (XV-5080 showcased in this video being one of them) and their expansion cards. For more information on this you can check out my blog post: chrisoft.org/blog/post/2020-11-20.html (skip to the section "SD-80's sound content")
@@Chrisoftable Well, I already have a list of instruments for touhou, and plug-ins to make such styles in a modern style, but there is no synthesizer itself, since I heard that it is very rare, and it seems to have stopped being produced... Well, at least I have plugins, for example Retrologue, Electri6ity and others. But Trillian is too fat, so I didn't install it... Only later, when I get a normal PC. Anyway, thanks for the info.
@@ChrisoftableThe only thing I do touhou styles on is a 2009 laptop, old and laggy + FL Studio 20.8, everything. I don't have any synthesizer, so I have to settle for soundfonts and plug-ins in FL
Mostly yes. You'll need the corresponding VSTi for each SRX board. Besides that there are a few limitations. To name a few that I think are the most significant: being impossible to combine waveforms from different SRX boards and missing samples from Spectrasonics / some SR-JV80 boards. If you use Zenology Pro instead, you'll have an entirely different set of issues that are IMO easier to deal with overall.
@@moxa-w9v It's a combination of base XV samples and SRX-03 samples. The cymbals seem to be unique to the SD series and I used hardware XV-5080's sample playback feature to reproduce them, which isn't available in these VSTi plugins (but you can use any software samplers your like).
Why does this version unironically mesh with ZUN's comment on it much more and why do I like it better than the original?
Don't understand anything on the description but it sounds pretty authentic
It just sounds nice that's all you need to know
Different midi sound module make music go interesting
0:31 my ears hurt but i love it
yes lol and for the exact same reason I couldn't bother to fine tune the vibrato to match perfectly with the original
Glad to see there's still hobbyist MIDI techs around in the Touhou community to document the hardware specifics!
finally..... high quality u.n. owen was her...... after 21 years..
Oh i love this, this is so niche, but i love this
honestly this is way better than the original. it's much more clean
I’ve played piano my entire life. i can say that this is the sound.
funny, because to actually play the song correctly you actually would have to de-tune your piano.
Thank the algorithm for leading me hear
The melody truly is a work of genius
this is genuinely really cool, those rack mount units have always intrigued me but the prices are always so high as to discourage me from purchasing one.
I will try the midi file on the SC-88 Pro for fun to see what happens.
The touhou 6 MIDI files from the game are meant to be played on a SC-88 Pro
@@YuutaTogashi0707 Ok and? it didn't stop me from playing this one on it, As a rompler is a rompler and it is designed play MIDI data. Obviously it didn't sound the same cause the 88Pro does not use "XV" engine but the results I got were interesting and still sounded like the song.
Did that anger you? Huh?
I just said the MIDI are meant to be played on a SC-88Pro@@pirozhkebab
@@YuutaTogashi0707 I believe I miss interpreted you reply my bad
this needs more attention thank you for your hard work in restoring this awesome piece of music
happy to see you post again- this is really interesting, thanks for sharing
Sounds so good and clean
Sounds much better
pretty cool
This is great!
Dang it. Now I can't listen to the original, your version sounds a lot cleaner, for some reason, to my ears.
Thanks for the video and the explanation in the description!
Helps that it's not screaming at you
Flandre not destroying your ears. Lol.
wild
U.N. Owen Is Here
Can't access the website link without a UN and password
Should be fixed now. Thanks for catching that.
am i supposed to understand anything on screen or in the description?
Not if you're not into making music using MIDI and sampling.
Essentially, the Roland Sound Canvas/Studio Canvas models are machines that can be programmed to reproduce sound samples that are stored in their memories or to generate fundamental waveforms used in electronic music (sine wave, triangle wave, square wave etc).
These machines were used to create the soundtrack to an infinitude of video game soundtracks and general listening music back in the 90's, and is still used in a lot of music to this day, due to its versatility and, nowadays, desireable "cheesy" sound that a lot of people have come to really enjoy, myself included, though I'm not a composer myself (I just have tons of composer friends who are really into these things lol).
A lot of the recognizable sounds from Touhou songs, mainly the infamous ZUNpets, came from machines like this. Like Chris says in the description, ZUN used a Studio Canvas SD-90 model, which is one of the many models Roland released over the years.
Chris basically re-programmed, to astounding accuracy, U.N. Owen was her? in one of their own related Roland machines, and what we're seeing in the video is the machine's screen display, showing what's going on inside its guts.
Fascinating stuff, really.
@@TanekoshimaThanks for this explanation! ^_^
@@poni_poki Np!
Hey, I’ve got an XV-5080 VST but I can’t make it sound like EoSD. What settings did you use in your synth? Thanks!
XV-5080 without any expansion cards or samples (which is essentially what the VSTi is) isn't enough to reproduce SD-90/80 patches accurately. I've listed hardware expansion boards needed for this track in the description. Some are available in Roland Cloud while others aren't.
The MIDI file provided in the description contains full patch data I used for the track in sysex (system exclusive messages). Although last time I messed with the VST it didn't come with support for importing such data. If that's still the case, I'd suggest checking out a few third party patch editors for XV/JV modules (I don't have a personal recommendation).
@@ChrisoftableOk, Thanks!!!
What?? I want to use SD-90 instruments to make a mashup on the theme of Harry and Flanders, in this style
What is Studio Canvas... I need to know everything that ZUN used to make music on, otherwise I won't be calm. Although it won't do me any good if I never get this synthesizer, and I have to use packs of soundfonts for SD-90 instruments, and then not for all. That's why I don't have the Classical Square instrument.
SD-90's full product name is "EDIROL StudioCanvas SD-90". There were a few other products in this line (SD-80, SD-20, etc). SD-90 is the primary hardware synth ZUN has been using for decades now although over the years he has added more and more software instruments to his mix. If you want to know more on what ZUN uses in his mix I'd refer you to the following spreadsheet: tinyurl.com/TouhouSheet
The vast majority of SD-90's sounds come from Roland's expandable PCM sound modules (XV-5080 showcased in this video being one of them) and their expansion cards. For more information on this you can check out my blog post: chrisoft.org/blog/post/2020-11-20.html (skip to the section "SD-80's sound content")
@@Chrisoftable Well, I already have a list of instruments for touhou, and plug-ins to make such styles in a modern style, but there is no synthesizer itself, since I heard that it is very rare, and it seems to have stopped being produced... Well, at least I have plugins, for example Retrologue, Electri6ity and others. But Trillian is too fat, so I didn't install it... Only later, when I get a normal PC. Anyway, thanks for the info.
@@ChrisoftableThe only thing I do touhou styles on is a 2009 laptop, old and laggy + FL Studio 20.8, everything. I don't have any synthesizer, so I have to settle for soundfonts and plug-ins in FL
It's Real melodies…… :-○
なにこれ
UN Owen but clear
Can I use the same sound with Roland Cloud?
Mostly yes. You'll need the corresponding VSTi for each SRX board. Besides that there are a few limitations. To name a few that I think are the most significant: being impossible to combine waveforms from different SRX boards and missing samples from Spectrasonics / some SR-JV80 boards. If you use Zenology Pro instead, you'll have an entirely different set of issues that are IMO easier to deal with overall.
Which srx vst would you recommend to reproduce Eosd?
@@moxa-w9v IMO SRX studio (3) and world (9) are essential. SRX keyboard (7) and orchestra (6) are pretty useful.
Which vst is Room set 2 in?
@@moxa-w9v It's a combination of base XV samples and SRX-03 samples. The cymbals seem to be unique to the SD series and I used hardware XV-5080's sample playback feature to reproduce them, which isn't available in these VSTi plugins (but you can use any software samplers your like).
ok