Honestly, I think it would be funniest if we run into an Ascian or two just hanging out on the beach relaxing because, with Zodiark dead, there's really not much point in pursuing the Rejoining.
It would honestly be neat just to have an ascian trying their hardest for the good guys for once (not that our past experiences haven’t shown it I just want more)
even without Zodiarks passing, the fact that Eli, Emit, and Laha are dead, it would really severely limit their options as our interaction with Nabriales has shown. There is only some much meddling they can do without their unsundered leadership. Which is probably one reason Danny just decided to up and inhabit the partial Zodiark, considering rejoining was no longer an tangible option at that point.
the rejoining still has a point, the one that is told to newcomers and potential initates: rejoining shards into the source that as souls cycle they will be rejoined and the world restored in aether and the old souls (with new bodies and minds) in power the rejoining itself requires unbalancing the aether of the shard and source at the same time in manner that attracts them like opposing magnets; with simultaneous elemental calamities; zodiark was never mentioned as a requirement for rejoining the 'land' itself without the unsundered, the ancient civilization itself cannot be remade as all that history is lost the reason zodiark was first created is no longer present nor a need what has gone: resurrecting zodiark their 'one true god', and to subsequently revive the ancient civilization in both place and the people with massive blood sacrifice of the 'lesser' sentient beings what remains of this plan are the fragments of zodiark on the unjoined shards
@@idminister While I concede that they may try for simply returning to the Unsundered World, like what Varis wanted, we do know that the fragments of Zodiark are also gone thanks to the Post-Endwalker stuff, where Golbez says that the fragments just up and dissolved a while back (presumably when we killed Zodiark near the start of EW), but the Darkness he was made of couldn't go anywhere because of the reflection's state.
As it stands, considering the base people the remaining Asians originate from, barring madness like fandaniel or arrogance like nebrialles, they shouldn't necessarily be hostile, but equal chance they could be, the bigger threat would be the Asian acolytes who would now have essentially become cultist who saw their all powerful leaders culled. That's usually a recipe for doubling down and hysteria I would be interested in learning about Igeyorhm and how she became so close to a Lahahrea we now know didn't have the best track record with relationships, nor best relationship with fusion...
Before watching the video, my answer would be Emmerololth, Scion of light and the figure at the top of the DT poster. After watching the video, I am just going to explain why it must be her. First, she's traditionally (FFXII) the Scion of Light (associated with healing and medicine). The white healer-ish figure at the top of the DT poster (and later shown as the mysterious maide) is mighty bright. Also in the trailer, the lalafell running through the stargate (in an era that's long ago) is wearing gear associated with Eureka (the camera makes it impossible to miss the unique shoes). This places the stargate, the yellow-hued techno city and its "pyramid of light", at the end of the third era and the fall of Allag. It also associates it with Eureka. Emmerololth is the only Ascian deeply associated with Eureka. In terms of her role, I suggest she's helped part of the Allagans escape the end of the third Era. We know they were space-faring, so some may have escaped on spaceships. Some may have survived underground. One plausible storyline would be that the spaceships attacking Tuliyolal are the first returnees from the Allagan diaspora. We might be made aware of their coming or at least of the threat further waves pose by those who survived in the city of light.
The Fandaniel/Amon we meet is a sundered shard, so there might be more of him out there. (I doubt the writers would go there, but it is technically a possibility.)
I swear to Hydaelyn if another Ascian comes up that’s not in passing, there’s going to be trouble. I don’t mind their legacy coming up, but after so much of putting their history to rest in EW, even in the patches, it’s going to feel hollow. What if the maiden herself is something like a descendant of an Ascian? Like Emet-Selch in a past host millennia ago sired a daughter? And became what I assume is the memory in a data persona? Or whatever it is the Solution Nine inhabitants are.
Tbh the last time they did a little teaser for a character like the maiden was “the lady of the lake” and it was venat so I don’t even know what to expect 😔
at this point, without the unsundered, the ascians are not technically the same ascians as before, they are all essentially free agent ancients doing their own bidding. since the term ascians really referred to them as an organization, and now that its defunct, I dont think Id call remaining sundered/remembered ancient as ascians.
@@Shiirow And without the Convocation crystals, the remaining ones don’t have the means to raise anymore to office. Best the Warrior of Light left them to Elidibus. Emet-Selch was quite clear about that in Shadowbringers when asked by the player. If the Unsundered are all gone, they don’t have the means to raise them again and will die out. The thing with Mitron was a workaround and not a repeatable method.
Don't the sunderd once have all like 14 versions of themselves? 1 Fandaniel is gone, still 13 to go. At least, that is how I think it could work in theory, but I am not a very knowledged regarding the lore.
yeah in theory they all have different shards of themselves, there's just a lot of grey area in which the rules of them attaching to another vessel and traveling to the source etc that we can't really be sure of :(
all the ascians, non-unsundered, we defeated before we got the shards of memories in Shadowbringers have a _chance_ to resurface because that how they regained their memories as ancients in the first place. now that the stones came to us and subsequently destroyed along with Elidibus, there are no physical ways to reawaken the convocation of fourteen once the current memory holder is destroyed, barring any extreme circumstances like the case of Gaia/Loghrif. Once they are defeated now, theres a high probability of never seeing them resurface as their old self (meaning old Ascian Danny boy is long gone), not to say though they cant crop up as a non-ascian villain on some distant shard in the future but not with their powers and memories from their ancient days.
It has never been made clear how exactly one of the sundered Ascians is able to resurface when they're defeated. Just that they would continue to return unless their aether was contained using an artifact and allowed to enter the lifestream. It seems to be implied that they are able to simply possess a new body. Living or recently deceased. It also seems that they dont need to die to take a new body, but that is how they typically do it. However, it is implied that because Lahabrea, Emet Selch, and Elidibus are unsundered, they're the only ones who actually have their memories, and keep their memories when they possess a new body. Examples of this being Emet Selch's cloning bay where he keeps spare bodies of himself, while the sundered ascians do not have their memories and while they can possess someone new when they die, that person does not suddenly become the ascian, their memories need to be reawoken first. The memory stones seem to be one method of how an Ascian might regain access to their memories. However we've also seen that 1 Ascian with their memories is able to force another to recover their memories. We saw this when Mitron tried to force Gaia to regain Loghrif's memories. The sundered ascians also, while gaining access to said memories, do not necessarily become a copy of the original and simply choose to follow the ascians, however it's not a matter of Person A becoming a new copy of Person B. It's Person A with all of the memories of Person B, but still the motivations and personality of Person A. We see this with Fandaniel who, without the oversight of the unsundered Ascians, persues his own agenda which is counter to the goals of the ascians themselves. We also see this, funny enough, with the Warrior of Light. We've received multiple memories of Azem, we've joined with another fragment of him/her, but we are still us. Emet Selch also is implied to be the only Ascian who was capable of actually seeing aether which would allow him to identify his fellow ascians. Now that all of the sundered ascian are dead, and Emet Selch specifically is gone, even though there are technically shards of the sundered ascians out there, there's no way for any of them to regain their memories unless through some freak accident. The only possible loose thread having to deal with the Ascians is Claudien / Erichthonios and the Heart of Sabik. Claudien is a shard of Erichthonios and although he isn't an Ascian, he is related to one. And Claudien did briefly have interactions with his past self which could have caused some memories to awaken. It's possible he could somehow make use of those memories and whatever is left over of the Heart of Sabik to revive one of the Ascians. It's really funny when you think about it though. At one point in history there was the potential for the ascians to have 143 members of the convocation of 13. The 10 sundered members having 14 shards each and then the 3 unsundered members. But they only ever had 1 of each member active.
I personally think the mystery maiden is Altima or Deudelphon. All we know about them is that Gaius "killed" them and took their masks. However, since it's established that the Scions are the first to permanently kill Ascians and Gaius never learned our technique, what likely happened is they returned to the aetherial sea and later possessed a new body. As for Solution Nine and their role in it, the city and its people originated from the Twelfth shard, which was consumed in the Second Umbral Calamity prior to the Allagans. The Ascian/Mystery Maiden (or maybe even our friend Emet-Selch?) ruled an advanced empire on that shard and used its to sow chaos and tip the shard towards Lightning, like the Allagan or Garlean empires. When it came time for the Twelfth to be swallowed up into the Source, Solution Nine was built and used some sort of technology/spell to allow it to be transported to the Source intact, with its people digitally stored (the Lalafells running into the gate and the "Soul Storage" sign). I like to imagine they also built Solutions One through Eight, but those didn't make it.
Oooh I love the theory of s9 being from an entirely different shard entirely! It would mean so much for the raid series and just in general too! Built as sort of an enormous version of the memory crystals we brought back from the first but with all its people intact!
I think it's rash to assume Gaius didn't have his own method of permanently vanquishing ascians. And Emmerololth's most likely dead. I attribute the inconsistency between ARR and Stormblood to human error on the writing staff. Pashtarot and Halmarut are the only ones who are objectively still out there, unless WoLs on other shards already took care of them.
I honestly really hope they dont appear at all unless its a tease to 8.0 in patches. Like you said the HvsZ arc is done. We need a break from ANYTHING to do with that story line. I really hope that will be the case for at least the main MSQ. No Ascians, no primals, no world ending force, no allagan tech. I just want to see something completely new, something that needs to be dealt with like another possible warning nations issue or heck even saw a theory that Sol9 will be people who survived a calamity underground and now that they threats of rejoinings are gone they plan on rising up with their better tech and being a worse threat then the Garlians. THAT would be fun.
This is a really interesting take! It would be really neat to see a completely fresh story with nary a mention of them throughout, and solution 9 being an emergency refuge could be something that’s well elaborated on with what they’ve shown of the raids (as an entertainment while stuck in solution 9). To be honest I’m also with you on the msq not having a completely earth shattering threat and mostly being an actual adventure through an as yet unknown continent :)
Remaining ascians can't just "poof" and stop being alive just because "ARC" is ended. I personally still dig for Ancients and Allagan stuff - they both left a biiig mark on the world so wish to expansion without all that i guess achievable only if something like Shadowbringers came out.
Yeah I just don't see them coming back as villains. That's supposed to be over. I just wonder how they're moving on. Their... very purpose has been stripped from them and any hope of saving their people.
The death of Zodiark does not mean rejoinings cannot be triggered anymore, at least by the information we have of how they are triggered and the natural properties of aether. Nor does the death of the unsundered Ascians means any remaining ones will give up on their millennia-long grudge. Given the Convocation were an organization of professionals on their respective fields with the primary goal to safeguard the star, I expect some of the remaining Ascians to use their knowledge to live out normal lives doing what their goal has always been; better the star. But it would be silly to expect not one of the remaining Ascians still wants to make the star whole again, even without Zodiark.
Halmarut is one that stands out to me. They specialized in living things - like giant cactuars. We saw that "do you even lift bro?" cactuar early on in the concept artwork, especially since so much of the new world is covered in jungle, it's certainly a possibility we could encounter them. Although, like others have said, I'd much rather they be on our side now that that the war between H&Z has come to a conclusion. It could very well be any of the ascians that we don't have a clear answer for, but Halmarut is my guess for now.
@@hashbrown9928 I don't think there's any reason to assume the rest of the ascians are too altruistic if incarnations who get scouted to join up are among the likes of Amon and whoever Nabriales and Igeyorhm used to be. I am really curious to see if the ascians on other reflections are even fully aware of what has happened to Zodiark
@@cheffdonty true! it'd be interesting to have someone show up saying "mwahaha" and then realising half way through monologuing that they missed it all
Just an FYI: the final letter in Pashtarot is not silent. This can be known by comparing his Japanese name - Pashutarotto, as romaji are written phonetically (albeit with a Japanese accent).
I think Pashtarot is a very likely presence. Their name was dropped in Myths of the Realm but I think that may be coincidence. I'm pretty sure the Yoshi P comment on Myths of the Realm related to Snoegeim's statements after the 3rd raid that she wanted to study the 12 from a perspective of reception theory. Likely we're going to see and hear a lot of things that show how the same 12 are viewed by cultures in Tural (I think these are likely the murals that Jesse Cox found on the media tour). Ascian wise, They're still out there and it would make less since if they didn't show up going forward. With Zodiark dealt with they will be out there trying to figure out how they fit in going forward. Personally I would rather not have them be adversarial and instead be more helpful. I've seen people theorize that Erenville is Halmarut (because of similar specialities) and he actually came from the "city of gold" (actually possible) initially but that would be a little too convenient. That and if we met an ascian by helping him catch marmots, nothing in this world can be taken seriously.
I think it would be super interesting for one of the main companions to wind up as an Ascian during our adventure in the new world, and that Erenville Halmarut theory is one I haven’t heard yet but definitely an interesting one! Considering Tural has been separate (mostly) for a long time it’ll be cool to see the difference in how they worship and actually who if any they worship from the twelve!
I would love to see an Ascian as some sort of parallel to how we saw Amon/Fandaniel, where they're aware of the Ancient World, and the Sundering, and who they were-- but that they both distinctly see themselves as who they are now, and that they love their world to the point where they're also opposed to the idea of a Rejoining. I would really like to see how a Sundered Ascian from one of the Reflections in particular would handle that, knowing they love their world and that the goal of these incredibly powerful, ancient entities is to effectively destroy it, and what that Ascian might be willing to do to preserve what they now see as their own people.
Honestly, I think it would be funniest if we run into an Ascian or two just hanging out on the beach relaxing because, with Zodiark dead, there's really not much point in pursuing the Rejoining.
It would honestly be neat just to have an ascian trying their hardest for the good guys for once (not that our past experiences haven’t shown it I just want more)
even without Zodiarks passing, the fact that Eli, Emit, and Laha are dead, it would really severely limit their options as our interaction with Nabriales has shown. There is only some much meddling they can do without their unsundered leadership. Which is probably one reason Danny just decided to up and inhabit the partial Zodiark, considering rejoining was no longer an tangible option at that point.
the rejoining still has a point, the one that is told to newcomers and potential initates: rejoining shards into the source that as souls cycle they will be rejoined and the world restored in aether and the old souls (with new bodies and minds) in power
the rejoining itself requires unbalancing the aether of the shard and source at the same time in manner that attracts them like opposing magnets; with simultaneous elemental calamities; zodiark was never mentioned as a requirement for rejoining the 'land' itself
without the unsundered, the ancient civilization itself cannot be remade as all that history is lost
the reason zodiark was first created is no longer present nor a need
what has gone: resurrecting zodiark their 'one true god', and to subsequently revive the ancient civilization in both place and the people with massive blood sacrifice of the 'lesser' sentient beings
what remains of this plan are the fragments of zodiark on the unjoined shards
@@idminister While I concede that they may try for simply returning to the Unsundered World, like what Varis wanted, we do know that the fragments of Zodiark are also gone thanks to the Post-Endwalker stuff, where Golbez says that the fragments just up and dissolved a while back (presumably when we killed Zodiark near the start of EW), but the Darkness he was made of couldn't go anywhere because of the reflection's state.
As it stands, considering the base people the remaining Asians originate from, barring madness like fandaniel or arrogance like nebrialles, they shouldn't necessarily be hostile, but equal chance they could be, the bigger threat would be the Asian acolytes who would now have essentially become cultist who saw their all powerful leaders culled. That's usually a recipe for doubling down and hysteria
I would be interested in learning about Igeyorhm and how she became so close to a Lahahrea we now know didn't have the best track record with relationships, nor best relationship with fusion...
Before watching the video, my answer would be Emmerololth, Scion of light and the figure at the top of the DT poster.
After watching the video, I am just going to explain why it must be her.
First, she's traditionally (FFXII) the Scion of Light (associated with healing and medicine). The white healer-ish figure at the top of the DT poster (and later shown as the mysterious maide) is mighty bright.
Also in the trailer, the lalafell running through the stargate (in an era that's long ago) is wearing gear associated with Eureka (the camera makes it impossible to miss the unique shoes). This places the stargate, the yellow-hued techno city and its "pyramid of light", at the end of the third era and the fall of Allag. It also associates it with Eureka.
Emmerololth is the only Ascian deeply associated with Eureka.
In terms of her role, I suggest she's helped part of the Allagans escape the end of the third Era. We know they were space-faring, so some may have escaped on spaceships. Some may have survived underground. One plausible storyline would be that the spaceships attacking Tuliyolal are the first returnees from the Allagan diaspora. We might be made aware of their coming or at least of the threat further waves pose by those who survived in the city of light.
Azem from the 12th shard (rejoined during the lightning calamity)
The Fandaniel/Amon we meet is a sundered shard, so there might be more of him out there. (I doubt the writers would go there, but it is technically a possibility.)
@@XCodes That's what I meant by "more of him." :)
i was hoping someone would make this! it’s good to have a all together look into what potentially could happen! dawntrail can’t come sooner
We killed their dad last expansion? What do they want now?
the little girl is an ascian for sure and I think erenville is part of Halmarut. thats my guesses.
I swear to Hydaelyn if another Ascian comes up that’s not in passing, there’s going to be trouble. I don’t mind their legacy coming up, but after so much of putting their history to rest in EW, even in the patches, it’s going to feel hollow.
What if the maiden herself is something like a descendant of an Ascian? Like Emet-Selch in a past host millennia ago sired a daughter? And became what I assume is the memory in a data persona? Or whatever it is the Solution Nine inhabitants are.
Tbh the last time they did a little teaser for a character like the maiden was “the lady of the lake” and it was venat so I don’t even know what to expect 😔
at this point, without the unsundered, the ascians are not technically the same ascians as before, they are all essentially free agent ancients doing their own bidding. since the term ascians really referred to them as an organization, and now that its defunct, I dont think Id call remaining sundered/remembered ancient as ascians.
@@Shiirow And without the Convocation crystals, the remaining ones don’t have the means to raise anymore to office. Best the Warrior of Light left them to Elidibus. Emet-Selch was quite clear about that in Shadowbringers when asked by the player. If the Unsundered are all gone, they don’t have the means to raise them again and will die out. The thing with Mitron was a workaround and not a repeatable method.
@@hashbrown9928 She was a LoLcow. Lady of Light.
No. Done.
Don't the sunderd once have all like 14 versions of themselves? 1 Fandaniel is gone, still 13 to go. At least, that is how I think it could work in theory, but I am not a very knowledged regarding the lore.
yeah in theory they all have different shards of themselves, there's just a lot of grey area in which the rules of them attaching to another vessel and traveling to the source etc that we can't really be sure of :(
No. Only one shard of a former Convocation member is raised as an Ascian at a time. The others are just regular people.
all the ascians, non-unsundered, we defeated before we got the shards of memories in Shadowbringers have a _chance_ to resurface because that how they regained their memories as ancients in the first place. now that the stones came to us and subsequently destroyed along with Elidibus, there are no physical ways to reawaken the convocation of fourteen once the current memory holder is destroyed, barring any extreme circumstances like the case of Gaia/Loghrif.
Once they are defeated now, theres a high probability of never seeing them resurface as their old self (meaning old Ascian Danny boy is long gone), not to say though they cant crop up as a non-ascian villain on some distant shard in the future but not with their powers and memories from their ancient days.
It has never been made clear how exactly one of the sundered Ascians is able to resurface when they're defeated. Just that they would continue to return unless their aether was contained using an artifact and allowed to enter the lifestream. It seems to be implied that they are able to simply possess a new body. Living or recently deceased. It also seems that they dont need to die to take a new body, but that is how they typically do it.
However, it is implied that because Lahabrea, Emet Selch, and Elidibus are unsundered, they're the only ones who actually have their memories, and keep their memories when they possess a new body. Examples of this being Emet Selch's cloning bay where he keeps spare bodies of himself, while the sundered ascians do not have their memories and while they can possess someone new when they die, that person does not suddenly become the ascian, their memories need to be reawoken first.
The memory stones seem to be one method of how an Ascian might regain access to their memories. However we've also seen that 1 Ascian with their memories is able to force another to recover their memories. We saw this when Mitron tried to force Gaia to regain Loghrif's memories.
The sundered ascians also, while gaining access to said memories, do not necessarily become a copy of the original and simply choose to follow the ascians, however it's not a matter of Person A becoming a new copy of Person B. It's Person A with all of the memories of Person B, but still the motivations and personality of Person A. We see this with Fandaniel who, without the oversight of the unsundered Ascians, persues his own agenda which is counter to the goals of the ascians themselves. We also see this, funny enough, with the Warrior of Light. We've received multiple memories of Azem, we've joined with another fragment of him/her, but we are still us.
Emet Selch also is implied to be the only Ascian who was capable of actually seeing aether which would allow him to identify his fellow ascians.
Now that all of the sundered ascian are dead, and Emet Selch specifically is gone, even though there are technically shards of the sundered ascians out there, there's no way for any of them to regain their memories unless through some freak accident.
The only possible loose thread having to deal with the Ascians is Claudien / Erichthonios and the Heart of Sabik. Claudien is a shard of Erichthonios and although he isn't an Ascian, he is related to one. And Claudien did briefly have interactions with his past self which could have caused some memories to awaken. It's possible he could somehow make use of those memories and whatever is left over of the Heart of Sabik to revive one of the Ascians.
It's really funny when you think about it though. At one point in history there was the potential for the ascians to have 143 members of the convocation of 13. The 10 sundered members having 14 shards each and then the 3 unsundered members. But they only ever had 1 of each member active.
Yeah, Emmerololth is the obvious candidate for a DT appearance. The link to Galuf alone would be enough to justify it, from a narrative standpoint.
Yup the more people say about the link the more I think it likely, krile lining up to be a main scion for dawntrail really makes it fit well
We are literally fighting giant cactuars and monsters in the coming expansion lol.
The moment the buff cactuar turns around and has the classic ascian dark aura I’m out
I personally think the mystery maiden is Altima or Deudelphon. All we know about them is that Gaius "killed" them and took their masks.
However, since it's established that the Scions are the first to permanently kill Ascians and Gaius never learned our technique, what likely happened is they returned to the aetherial sea and later possessed a new body.
As for Solution Nine and their role in it, the city and its people originated from the Twelfth shard, which was consumed in the Second Umbral Calamity prior to the Allagans. The Ascian/Mystery Maiden (or maybe even our friend Emet-Selch?) ruled an advanced empire on that shard and used its to sow chaos and tip the shard towards Lightning, like the Allagan or Garlean empires. When it came time for the Twelfth to be swallowed up into the Source, Solution Nine was built and used some sort of technology/spell to allow it to be transported to the Source intact, with its people digitally stored (the Lalafells running into the gate and the "Soul Storage" sign). I like to imagine they also built Solutions One through Eight, but those didn't make it.
Oooh I love the theory of s9 being from an entirely different shard entirely! It would mean so much for the raid series and just in general too! Built as sort of an enormous version of the memory crystals we brought back from the first but with all its people intact!
I think it's rash to assume Gaius didn't have his own method of permanently vanquishing ascians. And Emmerololth's most likely dead. I attribute the inconsistency between ARR and Stormblood to human error on the writing staff. Pashtarot and Halmarut are the only ones who are objectively still out there, unless WoLs on other shards already took care of them.
I honestly really hope they dont appear at all unless its a tease to 8.0 in patches. Like you said the HvsZ arc is done. We need a break from ANYTHING to do with that story line. I really hope that will be the case for at least the main MSQ. No Ascians, no primals, no world ending force, no allagan tech. I just want to see something completely new, something that needs to be dealt with like another possible warning nations issue or heck even saw a theory that Sol9 will be people who survived a calamity underground and now that they threats of rejoinings are gone they plan on rising up with their better tech and being a worse threat then the Garlians. THAT would be fun.
This is a really interesting take! It would be really neat to see a completely fresh story with nary a mention of them throughout, and solution 9 being an emergency refuge could be something that’s well elaborated on with what they’ve shown of the raids (as an entertainment while stuck in solution 9). To be honest I’m also with you on the msq not having a completely earth shattering threat and mostly being an actual adventure through an as yet unknown continent :)
Remaining ascians can't just "poof" and stop being alive just because "ARC" is ended. I personally still dig for Ancients and Allagan stuff - they both left a biiig mark on the world so wish to expansion without all that i guess achievable only if something like Shadowbringers came out.
Kinda like Deepground in Dirge of Cerebrus, but even more destructive.
Yeah I just don't see them coming back as villains. That's supposed to be over. I just wonder how they're moving on. Their... very purpose has been stripped from them and any hope of saving their people.
The death of Zodiark does not mean rejoinings cannot be triggered anymore, at least by the information we have of how they are triggered and the natural properties of aether. Nor does the death of the unsundered Ascians means any remaining ones will give up on their millennia-long grudge. Given the Convocation were an organization of professionals on their respective fields with the primary goal to safeguard the star, I expect some of the remaining Ascians to use their knowledge to live out normal lives doing what their goal has always been; better the star. But it would be silly to expect not one of the remaining Ascians still wants to make the star whole again, even without Zodiark.
Halmarut is one that stands out to me. They specialized in living things - like giant cactuars. We saw that "do you even lift bro?" cactuar early on in the concept artwork, especially since so much of the new world is covered in jungle, it's certainly a possibility we could encounter them.
Although, like others have said, I'd much rather they be on our side now that that the war between H&Z has come to a conclusion.
It could very well be any of the ascians that we don't have a clear answer for, but Halmarut is my guess for now.
Yeah I’m definitely in the court of “ascians are now neutral at worst” because there’s just no reason for them to keep being evil hahaha
@@hashbrown9928 I don't think there's any reason to assume the rest of the ascians are too altruistic if incarnations who get scouted to join up are among the likes of Amon and whoever Nabriales and Igeyorhm used to be. I am really curious to see if the ascians on other reflections are even fully aware of what has happened to Zodiark
@@cheffdonty true! it'd be interesting to have someone show up saying "mwahaha" and then realising half way through monologuing that they missed it all
Im think Erenville is part of Halmarut. Gleaners be doing that sort of thing ya?
@@miqotesoulia8620 It wouldn't surprise me (too much) if Erenvale was a reincarnation of an Ascian.
Just an FYI: the final letter in Pashtarot is not silent. This can be known by comparing his Japanese name - Pashutarotto, as romaji are written phonetically (albeit with a Japanese accent).
Ah thanks for letting me know! With no actual pronunciation in game I just guessed but lost the 50/50 it seems
I think Pashtarot is a very likely presence. Their name was dropped in Myths of the Realm but I think that may be coincidence. I'm pretty sure the Yoshi P comment on Myths of the Realm related to Snoegeim's statements after the 3rd raid that she wanted to study the 12 from a perspective of reception theory. Likely we're going to see and hear a lot of things that show how the same 12 are viewed by cultures in Tural (I think these are likely the murals that Jesse Cox found on the media tour).
Ascian wise, They're still out there and it would make less since if they didn't show up going forward. With Zodiark dealt with they will be out there trying to figure out how they fit in going forward. Personally I would rather not have them be adversarial and instead be more helpful. I've seen people theorize that Erenville is Halmarut (because of similar specialities) and he actually came from the "city of gold" (actually possible) initially but that would be a little too convenient. That and if we met an ascian by helping him catch marmots, nothing in this world can be taken seriously.
I think it would be super interesting for one of the main companions to wind up as an Ascian during our adventure in the new world, and that Erenville Halmarut theory is one I haven’t heard yet but definitely an interesting one! Considering Tural has been separate (mostly) for a long time it’ll be cool to see the difference in how they worship and actually who if any they worship from the twelve!
Erenville will end up being a shard of Azem.
how convenient
azem is so special every single shard is alive while he or she is alive xD
I would love to see an Ascian as some sort of parallel to how we saw Amon/Fandaniel, where they're aware of the Ancient World, and the Sundering, and who they were-- but that they both distinctly see themselves as who they are now, and that they love their world to the point where they're also opposed to the idea of a Rejoining. I would really like to see how a Sundered Ascian from one of the Reflections in particular would handle that, knowing they love their world and that the goal of these incredibly powerful, ancient entities is to effectively destroy it, and what that Ascian might be willing to do to preserve what they now see as their own people.
I’d like to see them bring back Travanchet.
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