I agree with Melzas below, I’m a black woman and my husband and I are in academia you can look us up online- what she has said is the trend for whatever the reason, it doesn’t mean she is racist, she may even be trying to help. There should be an investigation. We need to see more, I don’t think the firing is just. I have to be honest.
This story wasn’t complete, there is a second clip where they implied it might be their own biases. “What drives me crazy is how that plays out, and whether that is my own perceptions playing in here, my own unconscious biases playing out,” he told Sellers.
lets call it like it is, people are admitted into programs or positions across america not because of qualifications, but because of “diversity.” then it backfires on those who recognize trends based on performance. notice i didnt mention a race, gender, religion, etc...
She acknowledged that her black students get the lowest grades and it makes her uncomfortable, she didn't say they have bad grades BECAUSE they're black or anything of the sort. Seriously what's racist about the conversation?
She knows there is a problem, and she doesn't do anything about. Do you not understand that? Of course you don't because you are another person that thinks like her
Public institutions are supposed to be equal learning not a minority group getting lower grades. Oh but you still find nothing wrong with that do you? Oh and you don't understand what I just wrote in english language?
Yea, I kinda think this one is a stretch too. I’m not sure that she was being racist . Maybe just a bad choice of words for someone with such prestige .
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors.
@@cherriledbetter1120 That's odd. My law school randomly numerates us each semester to make it impossible for the professors to know who is who. Then, once grades are submitted they can identify the students to their numbers. I would assume that is common practice in Law Schools. I wonder if they are saying that they actually see the name of the student and perceive them differently or if what they percieve to be the style of writing of black students makes them grade them poorer.
Ummmmmmm, these conversations happen all the time. I teach in public HS and educators have conversations all the time about the performance differences between different subgroups, and some groups are based on race. She didn’t say anything bad, especially if it’s true. Georgetown just punked out because they didn’t want the backlash. But if the students who consistently score low in her class are black then Georgetown needs to address the learning gaps, not fire the professor for pointing out facts. 🙄 And honestly, that learning gap is from way back in elementary school and probably even prior. She wasn’t nasty with her comment; she actually sounds concerned.
Best comment I've read on this video. Yes, the problems in academic achievement often have to do with early chidhood development and even attachment styles and the kind of support children had that shape their personalities and study habits as they get older. Plenty of other reasons between subgroups. Boys for example, struggle much more in school and are more likely to drop out than girls. Most special needs classes are majority boys. Higher rates of dyslexia, autism spectrum disorder, speech impediments, and attention deficit disorder among boys. There's also greater variablity in IQ among boys, less agreeableness than girls after puberty, etc. Should a teacher be fired for stating boys drop out more? It's important to note such facts.
She was pointing out " the facts" in a gossip session with a colleague "here we go again, those low blacks". Black students don't stand a chance with a professor with that kind of bias. I've no doubt that she's part of the problem [and not the solution], and the university would have seen that too. Removing her is the right thing to do, if they are going to start to have more successful black students.
Huh? If you think this is okay, you shouldn't really teach. I really wish that people like you (black people) wouldn't always have to chime in to defend bad behavior from white people. You make us look bad. Also, in law school, the grading should be anonymous. If it's blind grading, then the problem should be addressed. If not, she's racist. There are studies that show that law professors grade black students lower than non-black students. I didn't do the studies. I just read them. Bottomline: Don't cape for white people in these situation sis. If you really, really, really agree with the racism, do it in silence.
Absolutely agree! It didn't seem mean or racist. She was simply stating facts. This racist agenda is getting old and dangerous! After watching Meghan Markel trying to convince us that the royals talked about her baby possibly having dark skin!?! She is what? 1/8 black? I'm sure that conversation never happened and it's why they wouldn't say who or what was said! Oprah I'm sure is behind this conversation because she had the world's attention!
There was a second clip and GMA did not report the full story. The professors themselves implied that it was their own biases that might be the difference in grades, and school removed them from grading students
@@Duke_of_Prunes nobody said it was, genius. And people do hide their racism. What profession is known for hiring racists or white supremacists anyway? None, I imagine. But they do have jobs.
I’m African American and I don’t think that she should’ve been fired over that. What is going on with this generation? I mean do they just want a world without facts and opinions? No debates? No criticism so that people can improve? Like WTF🤷🏾♂️
I agree with you. Was wondering is it because they were graded poorly or is there another reason why they are not performing. Because if a teacher has students who are routinely performing poorly, there has to be a reason.
Welcome to the club buddy. It's because of such stupid identity politics from the left that more blacks (and other minorities) voted Trump in 2020 than in 2016.
Racist bitch, grouping every black person as having below standard score. Why doesn’t she tend to those individuals not performing well individually but no, she had to group all black people.
@S Robin the truth that black kids are lower ranking in her class. Thats a truth in her class. Who are you to tell that it isnt? But now here you are talking about how you felt cheated out of an A because of your skin color. Firstly, thats unrelated and you attempting to tie it into this story is flimsy. Secondly, I sense victim complex. Who are you to say that the reason why you got a B was because of your skin color? Lastly, even if what you said is true, who are you to say what kind of person she is without even knowing her based off your experience with percieved racism? And as for your last statement, did you ever try to not play the victim for one second and try to act as if the world is against you? If you did, you might realize that you arent as oppressed as you claim to be. I mean, just ask Anothony Brian Logan or the Officer Tatum. Both black conservatives who dont have this victim mentality and would you see how theyre doing? Theyre doing just fine.
OK I'm going to be honest. I'm black and when I got my Degree I was one of the not so many black students to graduate. Started with a lot left with few. She was just stating what she sees on a regular bases why fire her? 🤔 I'm lost. We must be that sensitive now I guess 😂😂.
Well, how was your teaching in high school..not good right.. tutors, after school teaching..Did, mom pay for a College Admissions.. ok, so there you go.
If you have her kind of attitude, that can impact HOW you grade students. It’s not a matter of being too sensitive - it’s a concern over how students are treated. Not all exams have simple yes/no questions and answers. Not all professors grade without bias.
I'm not black but I'm mexican. I also think teachers always think other races are not better then whites. I'm sorry not to agree with you .but I just to have friends and they teachers and they always tell me sometimes some blacks are very smart but they cant give them A so I ask her why she said because you cant let them to rule the world one day. So even when when you think their actually caring for their students I dont belive .
@@adr1ana1000 you don’t have to agree with me. We going off our encounters. Mine is different it is what it is 🤷🏿. In the school I went to we were treated better than other students yet most still failed. Not on the teacher
Just because she made a comment does not make it a fact. We don't even know her basis for grading her "lower ones" lower than her other higher scoring students. Is she grading her "lower ones" just on academic basis or does she have some bias against some students. I wish the university would investigate so the truth and facts come out.
@@songj0056 exactly, all these people are ignoring that her words also reflect things like grading and teaching. Let’s how she grades the papers of other students, or what efforts she doing to help students to better their grades.
This woman should not have been fired for this situation. If her observation is honest, then Georgetown should investigate to see if her assessment is accurate. Then they could looked into why this is the case. Teachers need to be able to discuss the needs of their students and how to support them.
Exactly. What are the other issues at play here. Are the black students working jobs, etc...while they're attending? That's just 1 thought, it could be something else. I heard frustration, like many teachers in America, not racism.
I had studied academic performance and minority/poverty issues. It's a great question that needs to be addressed. Not addressing it shows they don't care.
From the comment above "The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors."
Why do you think Black students don't do as well in a white based culture, that being University. Is there implicit bias there? Could be indeed, infact research shows it.
@@thedialogue9545 For one, admitting them when their grades/scores are lower than their peers aka Affirmative Action. And your assertions that white-based culture is the reason, falls apart when you consider other non-white races (Asian) wasn't mentioned.
I’m a black law student ... she isn’t lying. Rather than just firing these professors, let’s find out what the real problem is!!! Now, I don’t know what issues she may have had prior to this incident but regardless of any this doesn’t resolve the problem.
If you are a black law student then you should be keenly aware of how racist her comment is. If you want to know why, consider this: How is it, that she somehow knows that her lower performing students are black? What does she mean by that? Who is she including in her estimation? Is she including brown skinned Asian students as well as black students? What if the reality is that her low students are her more economically disadvantaged students? What if there's a comparison to be drawn along other lines, such as gender, which colleges they came from, what their LSAT scores were, whether or not they had taken legal writing (or some other particular course) yet? There are several factors that could be assessed to draw conclusions about her low performing students. But SHE is the one pointing to skin color, and that clearly demonstrates the scope of her consideration. She has already drawn a link between skin color and grades in her course. And THAT is what the problem is. I don't agree with you that there's some other "real" problem, for which we should refrain from just firing her. Professors like her ARE the real problem.
real problem is AA, let's be fair to all students, if the school is for academic, be it, don't decide students' competitiveness based on jumping and running
@@sunitamosesesq LOL. Going down the rabbit hole of "what ifs" to make your point when none of them are in evidence. LOL Be better. Focus on discussing what you know. If more evidence comes to light you can change your opinion but commenting on what-ifs is useless to the world.
GMA misrepresented the story, The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors
She said "some (blacks) are fine, but a lot of her lower (scoring) ones are blacks. And it frustrated her. What is wrong with that statement? I guess you can't say there is a performance problem with some black law students. Considering they are accepted with a weaker background, it is to be expected. Poor lady, didn't deserve this at all.
This problem started in grammar school because the push is to pass onward and no teacher is going to risk it job due to mandates they have to observe. Have a real conversation about students performing below standards. These institutions have to stay open and willing to accept those parents who are willing to pay those hefty cost or get loans that they will have to burden the rest of their lives. Do you have any idea how colleges and universities have closedown due to financial difficulties?
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors.
Why is she bringing up race in the first place? Not everything has to be about race. It shows she’s literally making a generalization. First of all depending on class size how is she paying that closely to each and every student that’s black? How is she making all those correlations and assessments without even doing scientific studies on it. Before you make a claim that further contributes to the stigma that all black people are dumb (cause me & u both know it does) actually do a study instead of your plain ignorant observations and random correlations. She can’t even say that it’s true without doing proper studies and research on the situation. Also her choice of words def aren’t exactly proper or nice.
@@meggiemeg435 You're cherry-picking to try to paint her as uncaring and racist. She said it made her "sad" and gave her "angst." Sounds caring to me.
Yep, this exactly what happens, especially in law schools. They give full ride scholarships to the top students and then to compensate, let in underperforming students (many times URM's) at full sticker (see inflated) price. This helps them meet quotas and get paid their $$$. The lower students tend (not always, but often) to perform below average and have a much more difficult time in school as well as finding jobs when they graduate. They are then saddled with all of the debt, basically paying for the top students to attend for free. The school doesn't care because they get their money and the bank doesn't care because the government guarantees the loans. Meanwhile the underperforming students are saddled with debt and have difficulty paying it off. Source: I currently have a full ride to a law school. There's no way I'd pay full price what some of these schools charge.
@@someguy1143 Reverse. The URMs are more likely to get scholarships. The vast majority just get loans. People of any color or no color who have a weaker background will have more trouble - especially at Georgetown Law - which has some of the top students in the country. The school should put the stats out on the pre-Law achievement (grades, LSAT scores, and college ranking) and you will see Black Americans are lower on average (not all)- we all know that - its called Affirmative Action - and it can do a lot of good . She said "lower (performing)" they are still passing - Law school is super competitive. The school is reprehensible. I hope she sues them - she is a lawyer.
I would perceive that also , from knowing teachers. That the greatest interest , would be that she could do something about it , to help. To make better .
We’ll never know, now will we? All we saw was a tiny clip and from the way she said it, I didn’t get a good feeling about it. And I went to an inner city high school where teachers genuinely cared. They did not sound like this professor when they were discussing this problem.
@Danny007 Bad comparison. No one care fs "whites" are on the bottom since they are the majority and no one is worried about them underachieving for whatever reason. To conclude she had bias against blacks from her statements is not logical. Call it angst or being distraught, she didn't like the outcome - how would you conclude that she is working to ensure the outcome? Most law school testing is multiple choice or question that are not ambiguous to answer - hence grading is not impacted much by any bias - and there are too many students in a class to even think about that.
No, you can’t disagree with it because that’s the democrat party for ya’. Truth over facts, right? That truth is whatever you guys say it is. Just like you idiots use to kick and scream about kids in cages....and now it’s perfectly acceptable, and don’t flippin deny it either. The democrat party is nothing but double standards; if it weren’t for double standards then you guys would have none at all. You can’t disagree with it, because with democrats, anything and everything is racist. So the truth is racist, I mean you guys even say that the truth is unfair(truth is truth, it can’t be unfair). This is of your own doing.....you got a little bit too woke, that’s what did it. But no worries buddy, you can just circle back because that seems to be an acceptable answer.
First: How did the reportedly “private conversation” become public? It sounds like their Constitutional Rights were violated. Second: What was the context of the conversation? It sounded like they were dissecting an issue, not merely venting. Per usual, the media does not report the entire story, but manipulate it to fit their agenda.
This story on GMA was not complete, I read more info from an online news paper, they were hosting a zoom meeting with the students, when the meeting ended both professors began talking candidly as we see in GMA’s clip. One student saw and had recorded the zoom meeting and later reposted meeting on Twitter. There were two clips posted, in the second clip the professors implied the lower grades might be there own biases “What drives me crazy is how that plays out, and whether that is my own perceptions playing in here, my own unconscious biases playing out,” he told Sellers. I believe that is why it is seen as racist or unprofessional
@@cherriledbetter1120 white people are being forced to “admit” they’re racist. The professors don’t dare say out loud that their black students are under achievers even when it’s true. This is all political bs.
You are correct..This in it self is so dangerous now days to accuse someone of being a racist.. my grandson has been accused of being a racist by his black friends..He is in 3rd grade. This has been going on for 2 years now..These children are taught to be victims and falsely accuse their piers of racism
What happen is that in another clip of this convo she and the other professor implied they are biases in their grading that they might be grading differently due to race, that’s why she was fired
Sucks when Truth slips out. Deal wiith that Truth and work from there. Tired of.people.not being able to talk about priveledged subjects. It's not good.for America
@@pj5817 lol! Except for the fact they are subjective essay exams that are coded so not to know the names of who gets what grades... Whats bad for America are people like you who run to their confirmation bias without a bit of research. Sit down
@@laiccm stfu with ur commie bias bs. Ur what's wrong eith this country. In fact Venezuela would probably suit you better and you don't have to deal with whitey anymore. Get ur passport and gtfoutta here already
If she believes that any black coming into her class won’t do well then she will likely grade as such. We all know that law school is graded on a curve. There goes your unbiased efforts in grading if you already believe that blacks will submit lower work (“...most of them...”, in her words). That to me...is the disgusting part. They should have kept her and invited her to share how she grades. I would love to hear more from this lady. Unfortunately many people do not see the real issue being, IF blacks in her law classes don’t succeed then the real question is WHY? Do they get the same access from the beginning of time? Why are there so many first generation law students? Are they just as smart but would need years of access to education like their counterparts so that the playing field is more leveled? Please ask yourself these questions too. There IS an education gap. Too bad that this professor did not mention some of these gaps in her zoom meeting. She may have been professor of the year versus loosing her job. Food for thought. I hope that you think of these blatant issues too. Seriously. I love how recordings like these that cannot be denied make us all discuss these issues. Otherwise...well I know that you know the rest. There are other professors like her sadly. She just got caught on video.
@@equallyyoked1 what did she do? Just brought up an issue she sees As a teacher. This is a cultural issue not a race one, wanna change it? Do better blacks
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors.
No its "racist" because its paints her black students in a bad light. Thing is, such data exists everywhere, in public schools of all levels. When you take standardized testing your score is tied to your name and ethnicity, whatever that may be. This professor merely stated what the data shes had so far has shown, and since it painted a certain ethnicity of students in a less than appealing light she got fired on the faulty and incorrect grounds of racism.
Racist teachers and professors are also sinister with how they grade certain ethnic students. Its also not just white professors. Ive been a victim of racist educators from other races as well. Our education system has a hard problem paying closer attention to the people they hire or give tenure to.
Ohhh...look...guess who still isn't defending herself, spoke to her union or even defended her reputation? Almost as if she got caught lyyyyyyyinnnng...😆 🤣
@@mutalix Exactly! And all of her tests are essays. smh. So you know she's bias. Not to mention that she's not at Podunk U. These are students at Georgetown Law School.
I always become skeptical when the news tells me what to think before I even see a video. They called the lady 5 different names before they let us hear what she said. All she said was what actually happened, she seems unhappy about it and wants it to change. Nothing racist about it. Also why was the other professor suspended? For sitting there?
What's offensive about this? If they're at the bottom, they're at the bottom. She's clearly just telling it like it is, and doing so makes her uncomfortable.
@@Coffee.and.antibiotics A question that needs to be asked are the kids in her classes the only ones or is it the general population? If its just her classes, i could understand the outrage, could be her, if its the whole school its not.
@@uwocsoco How is that unprofessional? This is a concern that many professors have expressed. It is extremely common for middling level students to perform at the bottom of their class when they're thrown into schools that have standards above their capabilities to meet. On the flip side, if they had been placed into a school that was more appropriate to their academic levels they would have a way easier time or excel. Struggling students drop classes or change to easier majors so they survive, that's not a good thing and they're being setup to fail in the name of diversity.
Yes as you can't be pushing people into higher course just for looks. These statics never follow how many of blacks that were admitted actually complete the course well. They only care about admissions. It's like expecting a standard freshman math student to learn seniod level nuclear energy just because I threw him in the course.
@@jamalwilburn228 that's exactly why I am curious as to what the full conversation was and the context/ reason this was brought up by her in the conversation. If it was just random, okay then there's a problem and it's just uncalled for and wouldn't have been a reason to mention their race etc. I understand she may have been just making an observation, but that doesn't need to be mentioned UNLESS they were talking about the impact on grades because of the pressures of being a POC etc. Not enough context / enough Information about the conversation here. HOWEVER, if there is a quota to pass POC students with a bias APART from their grades- then that is where I could see this being mentioned as well. I would have issue with that. I believe in BLM and affirmative action ONLY if all other qualifications are equal. Eventually hiring someone based on qualifications and affirmative action us a while separate philosophical debate. Grades come first though.. I am aware of the socio economic impact on POC communities in regards to grades. However once a person can make it to law school everyone needs to be treated the same in hopes of turing out the best lawyers the school can produce. Unfortunately with the most news clips there just isn't enough information given and then whether intentionally or not, the story has a spin/ narrative to it without any time for questions to be raised. Classic case of " lack of IN-DEPTH reporting."
GMA did not report the full story, there was a second clip were the professors implied it was their biases that contributed to the difference of grades by race, so the school removed them from grading students. That’s what happened
@@Zonum420 .......she was fired because she's a racist just like you and the persona Kamala Lama-lama-ding-dong who started this idiot thread...... if you can read go back and read what she said. She said "a lot" of her black students give her angst because of their low scores. This is where she's thinking just like a racist would think. Then (perhaps out of guilt for her private racist views) she gets "very very honest" and says, but "some black students" are doing great. What this means is: she is trying to associate skin color with intelligence or behavior, but her true conscience came to the fore about how well "some of her black students" are doing. She was FIRED as well as she should have been. Thinking like a racist make her racist. The lesson: Stop associating skin color or the lack thereof with intelligence or behavior. Even if this idiot racist professor had only 1 black student that did well that would mean his black skin color had nothing to do with his intelligence or behavior. This is not rocket science.
@@donniematonnie9378 I can listen, I can type, and I can read. Verbatim this is what she said. "And you know what, I hate to say this. I end up having this; you know angst every semester that a lot of my lower ones are blacks. Happens almost every semester." Now that you brought up semantics to substantiate your position/perception, I will do the same. My impression of her statement is she is disappointed that her lower-performing students are black students almost every semester. As a result, I think she wants to see her black students succeed and is disappointed that they do not score higher. Illustrated by her comment of "I hate to say this." Moreover, your perception that "she is trying to associate skin color with intelligence or behavior" is not the same perception I have. She is merely stating performance observations and then explaining what demographic typically scores lower. I do not see how her statement is racist. However, it is ok to have different perceptions. But to call people racists because they do not think the same as you will not bring about any positive change. If we are not allowed to talk and examine issues like this and let feelings guide decisions the great Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy will be ruined. Furthermore, we do not have the whole context of this conversation and none of us can really come to a conclusion with only one narrative of the story. When you always find yourself in agreement with one side, perhaps it is time to reevaluate how much of your thinking is your own. Stop trying to take my thoughts away ;)
@@Zonum420 ......you purposely left out the part where she said and I quote "there are some "REALLY GOOD ONES" so it blows your entire negative theory about black people........right otta of the water. Anybody associating skin color with intelligence or behavior is a RACIST period. That's why she was fired.
Sounds like she was just relaying her experience, and she wasn’t necessarily happy about it. Not racist, IMO. Then again, everything is racist now (except anti-white racism).
@@NeeNee_B. Affirmative Action is literally "anti-white racism" where blacks and other people of color get hiring preference, not based on experience or merit, but simply by their skin color. Understand now?
@@dansmith6990 doesn't feel too good does it? Guess which groups had to endure discrimination long before "anti-white racism." What even is anti-white racism? Is that for or against white people? Anti-white makes sense, Anti-white racism? Why not just use "racism" or "anti-white?" Here is a quote for you: "Equality feels like oppression to the privileged."
@@danap2948 Oh, so two wrongs make a right? Gotcha. And it's not "equality" when things aren't being applied EQUALLY. You're a fucking moron though, that much is true ;-)
To bring race into it is why it is a problem, and it's better to acknowledge the fact that maybe some people are at a greater disadvantage, which can be a great factor in how they approach school. Intelligence has nothing to do with race, I would argue that racists and evil people aren't very bright even if they manage to get good grades. Another point is that it's not difficult to get good grades, and it doesn't make you the smartest person. All people can be intelligent and smart and it has nothing to do with race, there are many other factors that contribute to how well you do in school, such as motivation, mental health, economic situation, etc.
If she’s speaking the truth. Great point!!! How do we know if she is or is not? I was one of a few black students in a private high school and you better believe I faced racism with some of those teachers. I was an excellent student and yet I was graded harshly compared to my white classmates. Sorry to tell you this but racism does exist, I’m just speaking from personal experiences.
@@globalfamily8172 She teaches Law School. Much different from the first two years of college. The professors know who’s in the program once they enter a major. Law Schools are no different. When people say the professors don’t or shouldn’t know who their students are... haven’t stepped foot on a college campus.
If you say that a group of people is bad in what they do. If that's is a lie let's correct it, but if that is the truth, facts don't care about anybody opinions. Nobody should be fired for expressing the truth. If you don't like the content give it your dislike. The truth doesn't care about color. It is simply the truth.
The group of people are "bad at what they do" because anything they do is gonna be looked at as "bad." They can be 4.0 from their previous school and you will hear, "well it's because of they got special trearment," or "it's affirmative action," or "they must not have gone to a tough school." There is an alarming number of people commenting that she is "stating facts." It's "facts" because she is perpetuating the stereotype that the bottoms are "blacks" and every semester no less! What is the bottom? What about asians at the bottom or whites at the bottom or foreign exchange students at the bottom? Or are the only under achievers black? And if so, why? Others have mentioned it so I will mention it again, look up systemic racism.
As long as America's diverse "tribes" value different societal merits, certain tribes won't EVER be largely successful in aspirations requiring only the best of its tribe. Simple as that. Some tribes need to lose their ignorant misplaced values and make education and nonviolence their priorities!!!!!!
I listened to it 3 times. Sounds more like she cares. These students get passed on year after year because our k-12 curriculum is atrocious. Kids can't even read the directions to do their lessons. Enough of covid. Work on education.
her black students are failing because they had a lower GPA requirement to get into that school, and weren't prepared for the intensive curriculum. Racist policies are racist, even if they benefit black people.
@@dansmith6990 you’re making assumptions, no where did they say blk students were failing, what she said is she has an emotional reaction’ angst’ when she has blk students because she finds that they grade lower, but she never said how low is low. Typically in competitive universities low is less than 1% of the highest scores. So it doesn’t necessarily mean the students are not qualified, however admitted she grades from biases does mean she is not qualified and so they fired her
My own white son is going through this in a middle class school. Even though my son is white, he is the type of student getting pushed forward without needing to attempt to succeed so why would they start doing it in college? For her, it's the black students going through this. In our schools with multiple cultures and colors, it's happening to ALL of our boys in K-12.
@skylilly What's with that professor's wide open and rolling eyes 👀, distasteful lips 😬, patronize 😕 behavior, mocking, head tossing and hands movements 😵🤷🤦🧟 mean then ⁉️ If that "sounds more like she cares" then maybe you should say and react that way toward your kids, brothers, sisters, cousins, and family members; then see if they will praise you for sounds like you care about them‼️🤣😂
You should hear their 5 minute top of the hour radio segments! Almost as bad as NPR, sometimes worse. And they give out private medical information on people which is a big no no. I usually mute them until my local news comes on.
@@skylilly1 o my lord do they really? I avoid any main stream news I can. I just seen this pop up in my what's happening feed and clicked it..... only to be disgusted. unreal. brainwash everyone is their only agenda.
@@Preservestlandry did you watch the same video? did you see the reaction of the the news anchors? They are immediately jumping to how racist she is and how racist everyone in this country is and I'm sick of it. The media gets up there and distorts the truth, bends truth to match a certain narrative. I understand what you mean but it's exactly this kind of thing that is destroying our country. everyone is so sensitive and triggered that common sense is gone and main stream media has a gigantic role to play in that. it's sad that we have let it get to this point. united we stand. divided we fall. anyone else rememeber that? when they divide us they get what they want. they are getting exactly that
@Toomuch Destructiion how do you know that? How are you measuring that? Even if you are right how does that square with black students in a freaking American LAW SCHOOL? The professor has the right to opine on her own students. There are no protected classes of people in our constitution. The real problem is the infantilization of black people by liberals and their media. they wan t equality until it comes to being held accountable. That's NOT equality. I'm sick of this crap.
@@tammier8860 It does, just like when your husband cheating on u fast.. was it with a blonde, because they say they’re prettier, than brunettes.. but that would be judging at a whole..hmmm
In the full version of the clip she admitted that it might be her own biases that lead to her grading by race and the male professor admitted the same and that is why she was fired and he was removed from being able to grade students. The full story you can get at the Daily Mail
Holding people accountable for there words and actions is not being a “snowflake” or “canceling” someone, she’s a professor, and educated adult who knows better and should’ve done better if she’s was concerned.
@Rita Poon the same goes for you, if you don’t care about the subject, why do feel the need to include your opinion. Just cause you can doesn’t mean you need to.
@@Marchking45 you have no fucking say in whether i can comment ot not. What a typical giant baby who thinks he or she dictates the world. Go and get your mommy.
Ziggy, how dare you claim that people should operate under the "rule of facts!" What kind of a world would we have if everyone did such an insane thing!!!??
@@Duke_of_Prunes you know a lot of white supremacists? You ask them all where they work? You know people hide their beliefs sometimes, right? And you know that some bad people try to find jobs where they can do a lot of damage, right? Kind of like people who join the military just to kill.
Imagine being a student at a prestigious law school that you can not earn good grades. If you can’t do the work, you should not be there - no matter the color of your skin! We should rise and fall on merit, and merit only!
Ohhh...look...guess who still isn't defending herself, spoke to her union or even defended her reputation? Almost as if she got caught lyyyyyyyinnnng...😆 🤣
How is it racist? She stated a fact that her black students just aren't trying as hard as others students.... I honestly can't see this being racist but the media will make anything seem racist as long it mentions blacks
There was a 2nd clip were the professors implied that the lower grades were due to their biases “What drives me crazy is how that plays out, and whether that is my own perceptions playing in here, my own unconscious biases playing out,” he told Sellers.
She did not say her Black students weren't trying as hard. She never ascribed blame or named the reason. She said many of her lowest graded students were Black, she did not ascribe a cause for that only that that fact disturbed her.
I'm a black man but to be honest I didn't hear anything racist about that comment, she was merely stating the fact & she wasn't laughing about the issue. She seemed frustrated & concerned because she even said " there are some good ones."... To me it sounded like a cry for help for black students. She wasn't mocking anyone.
You have to find and read the whole story, ABC’s clip misrepresented the story. There is another clip where the professors implied that they maybe grading through their personal biases. So Georgetown law took this as an admission of unfair grading practices and removed them both from grading students this semester and the female professor tried to step down but George Town law fired her before she could quit.
She literally called them useless and that they just stay at the bottom??? A teacher who wants you to do better, would ignore the race of the students and just identify the ones who may be struggling.
@@bassreeves2410 Oh my gosh, lol!!! Typing on a phone screen isn’t that easy🙄. And you’re still missing the point, if a teacher has a pattern of a specific group of students failing every semester, then obviously it’s not the students who are the problem. 20 + year teachers get stuck in old ways and never update their teaching methods. And this is Georgetown, not some random community college. Those students work hard just like everyone else to get admitted and pass there classes.
@Rita Poon No, why are her black students struggling, we would need an investigation to see how black students are doing overall in the same course and the school. And we’re not talking about high school and elementary children, these are grown as adults. And they go to Georgetown, not a random community college. So these aren’t just ordinary students, they worked hard to get into that school and I doubt they’re just “slackers” or have a lack of formal education.
@Rita Poon Not all colleges are public institutions, and No KID left behind only applies to public school districts which are k-12. Colleges are paid institutions who go by there own standards. And not every single black student who gets accepted to an Ivy League or private school is accepted just to meet the diversity quota, a lot of them actually work hard to earn a spot and get admitted. I don’t think you understand how the college system works.
@@tychelotus3536 me, a racist? an asian immigrant who was forced to study while working in college. While black people get into colleges just because of race. Tell me what she said that was racists?
Ohhh...look...guess who still isn't defending herself, spoke to her union or even defended her reputation? Almost as if she got caught lyyyyyyyinnnng...😆 🤣
If you’re Black an are offended by this vid you’re disgusting , as A Mexican POC just because someone state a fact doesn’t mean she’s directing any shade your way. This is why y’all always loose an we’re up an coming. You have this Victim mentality
So she was fired for...stating uncomfortable truths? This reminds me of that incident at Stuyvesant High School in New York where the entrance exam was deemed "racist" because black students couldn't pass it even though everyone else could and there were demands for affirmative action which would allow black students admission to the school without having to qualify while everyone still had to pass the test. Maybe this professor should've just given all her black students an automatic passing grade and called it a day. 😂
Oh ya I've heard about that since black and Hispanics don't usually have the resources so the school is usually filled with Asian and white students. I don't belive the test is racist tho
At the College/ University level, especially elite academic Universities, and even more in specialized schools within those Universities like their law, Med, Engineering, and Business schools, students must perform. These are fast paced, highly competitive environments. It is not a College professor’s job to volunteer as a study buddy for any student. Typically students form study groups with each other or hire more senior students to help them if they are struggling. They have to be incredibly disciplined and micro manage their daily schedules. A University student is a young adult responsible for their success or failure. If and when a student is falling behind they must recognize it and act swiftly in their own best interest. A professor can provide recommendations and resource lists, and there are professors who head up study groups but that is RARE. The reality is that there are no academic victims in the Law School at Georgetown. If a Law Professor with 20 years under her belt at such a respected institute of higher learning speaks about an observable pattern the likelihood is that it is factually accurate. Why is her stating that fact racist? She didn’t create the circumstances that led to some students not doing as well as others. She seemed to me like a person expressing a moment of frustration about a pattern she has observed over time that hasn’t changed. How is that racist? And why is it that people seem to look through the harshest and least generous lens today? Human beings are not perfect and in this time of hyper charged tension, self promotion, the trampling of American liberties and the overwhelming lack of nuance in discourse, where every power center feeds the narrative of racial division and pours gas on embers and salt on wounds for votes and ratings and the adolescent glee of canceling someone whose eyes you don’t have to look into as they lose everything, the greatest victim is our humanity.
@Covid 46 I don't blame you. A girl working retail was moving a clothes rack, she is short so she had to look around the rack to make sure nobody was in her way. When she looked around the rack she saw a black women. The black women reported her and said the worker looked at her "like she did not have any money." Needless to say she lost her job. Even when nothing is said certain people have the power to ruin your life. Frankly, white people need to start standing up for themselves.
This is crazy... She is saying a higher number of her lower grades are black, then the reporter says how only 14% of teachers their are black... Neither of those are due to color, it's the preformance of those students keeping them at the bottom and hence if less are getting good grades on general and graduating that means less to teach at a college.... I'm so over that so of a sudden you can't say anything without it being racist. Others are telling her what she was thinking and saying, there's no freedom of speech anymore or freedom to be an individual... Well I'm not confirming and I'm not racist and I hope we can start putting the same amount of energy and drive and power into real important issues like saving our planet and oceans that are dying and we rely on to even be here.... That's what is going to kill us, not racism, it's going to be our own selfish and twisted way if viewing things. We need to cancel social media and redo how the news is delivered, e need fact checkers again, wet need full stories told... I want to hear what her whole video did, not just the clip of her saying that 1 thing, or reminds me of another case that is being twisted and it's scary.
You should really read the book “Whistling Vivaldi”. There is actual, credible evidence done by many, many social psychologists that proves that a student’s behavior and study skill are only a small part of why certain groups historically do poorly in certain areas when compared to other groups. This goes for race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, etc. Any single group you can think of. The main premise is a concept called “stereotype threat”, which means that a person who identifies themselves with a particular group will feel the threat of a negative stereotype associated with that group when it is present in real life situations. This threat is proven to be so strong, that it significantly impacts a person’s performance. I used to think along the lines of what you said here, but after reading this book for one of my college classes it really changed my perspective. I’m a white, young adult, woman who has absolutely no idea what minorities must feel when they’re in school. I really do encourage you to read it, and to recommend it to others if you like it. Decently cheap on amazon too. www.amazon.com/Whistling-Vivaldi-Stereotypes-Affect-Issues/dp/0393339726/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=whistling+vivaldi&qid=1615612415&sprefix=whistling&sr=8-1
@@sassysigns8029 I understand that concept... Someone tells you you are something over and over you start believing it, that's just human reaction... As a child my parents would say to me "be careful you are more likely to be drug and alcohol addict and just don't do it, cause of genes. it was over and over and over, so at some point my ingrained behavior was to fall into that cause that's all I heard and not taught why or how to change or avoid.... I was told I was something before I even had a chance to not be that or figure out who I was... So I get what you're saying. But reality too is that at some point, ee do ferro to dictate who we are and what we do and wet get to choose how to channel that to others and teach others to be better... It's overcoming the blame game and owning my actions, behavior, words, thoughts... Everyone wanted someone or something to blame, there are no mistakes allowed or responsibility put in individuals. It's always "so and so fault or this happened due to this or mental health caused them to kill 4 people..." but then whoever is going against the grain is torn down and loved ruined and judged, it's all on that person noone or nothing else to blame.... So I see your point and have been there but there's a flaw to it...I'm this case, the students have a choice to not me in bottom percent, not to fall into whatever bubble they have been placed in... We each are in power of our own lives, good and bad.
Along with expressing stress imposed by that awful environment, she also exposes the Georgeclown administration promoting grade inflation & other unjust preference depending upon dark skin color. She is being persecuted for Truth.
@@tychelotus3536 it's their truth is the point. I never wrote he wasnt a bigot... people's real personality is revealed when they get frustrated in public. His kids know their father Is a bigot... they're be raised by him... right?
@@freda2758 she cancelled her outrage by her vulgar expressions in profanity... profanity is also a ignorant mind expressing itself... to add, where did I write the man wasnt a bigot. His frustration brought out how he feels.. exposing his true self... allegedly, with profanity also... assumptions make a**es out of people my guy... Exposing your ignorance in a livestream or being videoed usually doesn't end well...
Is what she said a lie? Sounds like a private conversation and about anxieties and how to deal with liberal studies that are suppose to be law school without being racist. This is CRAZY!!!
GMA did not report the full story. The professors in another clip implied it was their biases that contributed to the grading differences between the races of students and so the school removed them from being able to grade
Okay since you clearly don’t understand the issue. This professor knows that her failing students happen to be African Americans or People of Color. Rather than looking into why this is the issue and fixing it (Cough Cough Years of Systemic Racism: lack of ap classes/higher education in colored communities). She would rather categorize all Students of Color as inferior. “We Get A Few Good Ones” Essentially she sees a problems complains about it and doesn’t try to solve it. What a great Professor.
@@Sirius39170 Or fire a professor who has seen a yearly trend and doesn't do anything about it or ask How is our campus failing our students of color. Then yea. He or She should be gone.
Doesn’t matter. Her pointing that out shows the views she has. The stereotypes toward black people are “black ppl are dumb and don’t try “ but that’s not true. Her saying that on this context is her being ignorant and reinforcing those stereotypes. Therefore making it racist .(shes correlating their race to their grades)
The problem is it wasn't said out of concern or regard. It was more so out her not wanting to deal with them, and decided they were the problem....if you watch the entire tape.
Sorry, but they (abc, cnn, etc) are told Never Break the Narrative. Truth has NO place in the media of today. For the first time since 1948 Propaganda is now legal in the United States. On the 29th of December, 2012, President Barrack Obama signed HR 4310, the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act. Section 1078 of the bill authorizes the use of propaganda inside the US, which had previously been banned since 1948 when the Smith-Mundt Act was passed.
One of things we have discussed in my law class is that in most law schools, they aim to fill their high LSAT scores first and THEN fill the diversity with affirmative action. What you end up with is students who cannot compete academically with those who have high scores. It is a genuine issue and is something that needs to be addressed. It isn't racist; especially when it is something trying to be fixed.
Bro. Wtf did the male professor do to deserve to get put on leave. My mans was jus on the other side of the zoom call and got in trouble for no reason 😂
Sounds funny, true.. but if she felt comfortable with him.. there’s no telling what we didn’t see. I wonder why people are at an uproar. They are so mad because she told her true gut.She gets angst when black people are around.
As a minority I’m deeply offended by this story because the full conversation was not detailed, just snippets, that make the professor sound bad to some but I didn’t pickup racism in her tone rather concern. If she and the other professor have a history of racial slurs and comments, I would totally understand it. It’s sad to see that stating a fact has become something people are castigated for in this new EMO era and that the public does what it does best, jump to conclusions w/ out all the facts. So sad!!!
I don't understand it either. There are always two sides to a story, but the media outlets choose to focus on painting Prof. Sellers as a racist witch.
There's a lot of information missing, here is from another comment "The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors."
Where was the racism? Didn't she start by saying she hates to say it? Meaning she is not racist and wishes her lower students were not all black? We have come to an insane point in this county. Let me ask you all something. Would I be racist for saying Hey I happened to notice all Black people have brown hair... Would that be a racist statement or would I just be noticing a fact? This lady deserves her job back.
I don’t think what she said was wrong, I think it’s about how she said it. And plus she said this at a time of heightened race consciousness. Everyone is suspicious and anxious right now
She was concerned and didn’t know how to bring it up because she would get fired..... and it happened. Oh My God you people have lost all touch. Nice “News” channel
Yeah I'm sure there's no proper way to talk about test scores at an education institute. Not like they'd ever have department meetings or faculty meetings or other appropriate forums. She brought it up in Zoom class because she was afraid to bring it up. Makes total sense.
They are not racist comments, they are facts!! I had a friend who flunked out of LSU law school. He ended up going to Southern University law school the following semester. He said that over 70% of the students were repeating the 1st year and 90% were black. He was 2nd in his class, facts.
What was racist about this comment? She sounds more concerned than hostile. Also, what about the school huh? Why is the majority of struggling students on that school black?👀👀
Wait....is it biased to say that this is true if it is true? She is discussing HER angst BECAUSE she doesn't like the fact that there are consistently, for whatever reason, a number of lower performing students that are black. Is she to blame for that fact? If you can show she is the cause, have at her....but as far as I can see she was upset that this was the case.
Where’s the slander? If her statement is true there’s no racism; it’s an observation. I hope she sues the crap out of that university for wrongful dismissal.
@@charliecostella It's why I quit being a college professor--I could not ethically continue with the lie anymore. I had a student (of color) who never showed up for class or did any of the work. Even with grade inflation he got a C. He should have failed.
@mizzmolly That's a great point! If the students were taking classes online she would not know about their race. Why was that information so important to share with another professor? Just because students did well in high school doesn't mean they're going to do as well in college regardless of their race. It could be a number of factors as to why students have difficulties . The above comments about black students are nothing short of sheer ignorance because they are unaware of what's going on with each student or perhaps the prejudice of the professor for not bring up the failures of the other students for the last twenty years which was odd. Just my thoughts!
But There was nothing in that video conversation That stated that the students was or wasn't getting help she was saying the end of the day when the test scores come in a lot of blacks score low so maybe if she would have said African American score low? so now stating facts having proof behind it is a firing offense and racism also
Truth doesn't matter. You can lie and say that through lowest students are Asian, white, or Christian and that's. It's only racist and bigoted in what academia and the media claims is unjuat.
She should be fired because she's sloppy. She very well could be correct, but the fact that it was publicly heard makes her sloppy and brings negativity to the school and students. These days people need to have certain conversations face to face and not on zoom
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors.
GMA misrepresented the story, The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors
@where's the lamb s a U C E Agreed. To question a difficult statistic is not racist. It is documented that black students score lower across many disciplines although the reasons ARE systemic, not due to personal or cultural failings. Perhaps she said other biased things omitted here, but this sound bite alone is not enough to move her from “someone having a difficult conversation where she’s obviously not the most fluent (e.g.,: ‘blacks’)” to “someone who is actively harming her students by expressing blatant bias.” There are too many unknowns for this brief clip to be considered fair journalism, unless this is just a snippet as part of a longer investigation. 1) What was the professor’s ultimate point? Her conclusions aren’t clear from the clip. 2) Was she open to a change in her practices and assessments or was she justifying a resignation to view all black students as underperforming regardless of evidence? 3) Was she stating all this in front of her students, or was this meant to be a private and confidential conversation? It matters because we have a BIG problem with online communication becoming a convenient excuse for unfair surveillance where - if she was asking for help in-person - her statements here alone would not have led to such an extreme outcome. Rant: White people NEED to have these conversations with each other (and I am just repeating what other black & brown scholars have said). White people should be well-informed and do their homework, but they should also be able to work through their general frustrations to one another without black & brown people having to bear all the burden of informing them of the centuries of histories and systems built up to maintain their status superficially. They need to understand that ALL people experience suppression and hardship, but the pressures are compounded over and over with each identity that’s subject to bigotry, ESPECIALLY when you factor in darker skin color, obvious facial or other observable physical features, ethnicity, and culture. If the conversations black, brown, and white people had together started with, “I was reading about white ethnic identity development in the U.S. and how it’s different in some ways from black and brown identity development...” - and people could actually be patient with the complexities, believe the research, AND affirm one another’s experiences - man, we could be so much better. It’s a lot to ask but we fight the fight that needs fighting.
I'm confused. College professors literally hold department meetings to solve the achievement gap between White/Asians and non-Asian students of color. You could copy/paste the fired prof's remarks into one of those meetings and they would sound like any other Friday afternoon meeting. So I'm trying to figure out the issue. It's not like she was conspiring to give lower grades to her Black students. What she meant by her anxiety was: 1. professionalism compels her to grade all students by the same standards 2. applying those standards make some groups show up in the lower end of the distribution curve 3. this creates a real but awkward/uncomfortable reality 4. outsiders noticing such distribution differences could automatically accuse the prof of discrimination - that possibility is what's giving her anxiety
Imagine just telling the truth about your 20 years of experience and having people get emotionally hurt about your true experience and that true experience ruining your life. Sad
How was that hurtful all she said was the lower students were black in a conversation with another teacher ,she didn't degrade them,this country is crazy
Therein lies the problem! Truth = Racism now. Insanity. Betcha that professor (like most) is even an “old school liberal” who wants to try to find a way to right a wrong IF something is even wrong. Who knows what to think anymore??🤔🤷🏻♀️
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I agree with Melzas below, I’m a black woman and my husband and I are in academia you can look us up online- what she has said is the trend for whatever the reason, it doesn’t mean she is racist, she may even be trying to help. There should be an investigation. We need to see more, I don’t think the firing is just. I have to be honest.
You are Nigerians, yes? (Based on the name) Yes. Way, way and poor overreaction. Thanks for your comment. Your perspective is good.
EQUAL OUTCOME.
Agree. She said she feels "angst" about the situation. Angst- noun: "a feeling of deep anxiety or dread". Is feeling bad about the situation racist?
@@hectorheck1353 it became racist when she said blacks!!!
That means every time she get “angst’ she has associated that with her lower black students..
So she said privately that she feels anxiety that her black students dont preform as well as other students.
So her concern is bad how?
Problem solved. All Black students go HBCU.
This story wasn’t complete, there is a second clip where they implied it might be their own biases. “What drives me crazy is how that plays out, and whether that is my own perceptions playing in here, my own unconscious biases playing out,” he told Sellers.
@@cherriledbetter1120 You keep replying this everywhere yet you don't ever put a link.
@@virginiakane8440 no that’s stupid
@@cherriledbetter1120 even if that was true, that's not an admission of guilt. Do you understand?
How is the school going to address the fact that black students aren’t performing well? And they terminated the only teacher who brought up the issue.
Shhhh.... blacks can do no wrong in America these days. If they're failing, it's definitely not their fault ;-)
They won’t address it period ..
@Jonessa Smith And what issue is that exactly?
lets call it like it is, people are admitted into programs or positions across america not because of qualifications, but because of “diversity.” then it backfires on those who recognize trends based on performance. notice i didnt mention a race, gender, religion, etc...
They won't. Welcome to the liberal wonderland of feelings over facts.
She acknowledged that her black students get the lowest grades and it makes her uncomfortable, she didn't say they have bad grades BECAUSE they're black or anything of the sort. Seriously what's racist about the conversation?
She knows there is a problem, and she doesn't do anything about. Do you not understand that? Of course you don't because you are another person that thinks like her
Public institutions are supposed to be equal learning not a minority group getting lower grades. Oh but you still find nothing wrong with that do you? Oh and you don't understand what I just wrote in english language?
Yea, I kinda think this one is a stretch too. I’m not sure that she was being racist . Maybe just a bad choice of words for someone with such prestige .
What if they said that their asian students score on the higher end of the specturm. Is that considered racist?
You don't understand mainly due to you not going through what we go through. You just think the same way she does...
If she can't point out the problem, then how can she participate in actually solving it?
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors.
@@cherriledbetter1120 Glad you're filling everyone in on what actually happened.
@@cherriledbetter1120 That's odd. My law school randomly numerates us each semester to make it impossible for the professors to know who is who. Then, once grades are submitted they can identify the students to their numbers. I would assume that is common practice in Law Schools.
I wonder if they are saying that they actually see the name of the student and perceive them differently or if what they percieve to be the style of writing of black students makes them grade them poorer.
If one can't be bothered to articulate a solution to said problem,don't bother pointing it out.
@@blairbrown4812 someone else might be able to think of a solution though
Ummmmmmm, these conversations happen all the time. I teach in public HS and educators have conversations all the time about the performance differences between different subgroups, and some groups are based on race. She didn’t say anything bad, especially if it’s true. Georgetown just punked out because they didn’t want the backlash. But if the students who consistently score low in her class are black then Georgetown needs to address the learning gaps, not fire the professor for pointing out facts. 🙄
And honestly, that learning gap is from way back in elementary school and probably even prior. She wasn’t nasty with her comment; she actually sounds concerned.
Best comment I've read on this video. Yes, the problems in academic achievement often have to do with early chidhood development and even attachment styles and the kind of support children had that shape their personalities and study habits as they get older.
Plenty of other reasons between subgroups.
Boys for example, struggle much more in school and are more likely to drop out than girls. Most special needs classes are majority boys. Higher rates of dyslexia, autism spectrum disorder, speech impediments, and attention deficit disorder among boys. There's also greater variablity in IQ among boys, less agreeableness than girls after puberty, etc.
Should a teacher be fired for stating boys drop out more? It's important to note such facts.
She was pointing out " the facts" in a gossip session with a colleague "here we go again, those low blacks". Black students don't stand a chance with a professor with that kind of bias. I've no doubt that she's part of the problem [and not the solution], and the university would have seen that too. Removing her is the right thing to do, if they are going to start to have more successful black students.
@@andiidoode It doesn't reveal any bias. She just made an observation that is probably accurate.
@Melissa1P, she's blaming her ineptitude on black students.
Huh? If you think this is okay, you shouldn't really teach. I really wish that people like you (black people) wouldn't always have to chime in to defend bad behavior from white people. You make us look bad. Also, in law school, the grading should be anonymous. If it's blind grading, then the problem should be addressed. If not, she's racist. There are studies that show that law professors grade black students lower than non-black students. I didn't do the studies. I just read them. Bottomline: Don't cape for white people in these situation sis. If you really, really, really agree with the racism, do it in silence.
I see a professor pointing out a fact she is upset about. What is this crap?!
Absolutely agree! It didn't seem mean or racist. She was simply stating facts. This racist agenda is getting old and dangerous! After watching Meghan Markel trying to convince us that the royals talked about her baby possibly having dark skin!?! She is what? 1/8 black? I'm sure that conversation never happened and it's why they wouldn't say who or what was said! Oprah I'm sure is behind this conversation because she had the world's attention!
Result of Affirmative actions.
Careful, you could be labeled as a racist with those kind of arguments and logic
You are one hundred percent right
There was a second clip and GMA did not report the full story. The professors themselves implied that it was their own biases that might be the difference in grades, and school removed them from grading students
Wasn't she just staring a fact and how it bothers her?
Learn to spell bro 😂
Depends on if she grades them differently. IF she is racist, maybe their grades would be higher.
@Covid 46 is this a joke ... lmao
@@al-bot1094 Since when is academia known for hiring far-right white supremists?
@@Duke_of_Prunes nobody said it was, genius.
And people do hide their racism.
What profession is known for hiring racists or white supremacists anyway? None, I imagine. But they do have jobs.
I’m African American and I don’t think that she should’ve been fired over that. What is going on with this generation? I mean do they just want a world without facts and opinions? No debates? No criticism so that people can improve? Like WTF🤷🏾♂️
I agree with you. Was wondering is it because they were graded poorly or is there another reason why they are not performing. Because if a teacher has students who are routinely performing poorly, there has to be a reason.
10 of my slowest runners are white.
Yes she should have been fired. She's purposely grading black students lower cause she's a fukin racist
Welcome to the club buddy. It's because of such stupid identity politics from the left that more blacks (and other minorities) voted Trump in 2020 than in 2016.
@@yvonnekabiru1200 Yes, and the reason is cultural and/or genetic differences.
So you can't say Blacks? I'm black and not offended. Sensitivity level on high
Lol you aren't black 🤣 these fake accounts.
@@hayaglamazonluxe That's right, I'm more
Incorrect. You can't say anything NEGATIVE about blacks. No matter if it's true or not.
Whites... fair game.
Racist bitch, grouping every black person as having below standard score. Why doesn’t she tend to those individuals not performing well individually but no, she had to group all black people.
When speaking truth gets you fired, the whole damn system is wrong
You are one hundred percent right thank you
@S Robin the truth that black kids are lower ranking in her class. Thats a truth in her class. Who are you to tell that it isnt? But now here you are talking about how you felt cheated out of an A because of your skin color. Firstly, thats unrelated and you attempting to tie it into this story is flimsy. Secondly, I sense victim complex. Who are you to say that the reason why you got a B was because of your skin color? Lastly, even if what you said is true, who are you to say what kind of person she is without even knowing her based off your experience with percieved racism? And as for your last statement, did you ever try to not play the victim for one second and try to act as if the world is against you? If you did, you might realize that you arent as oppressed as you claim to be. I mean, just ask Anothony Brian Logan or the Officer Tatum. Both black conservatives who dont have this victim mentality and would you see how theyre doing? Theyre doing just fine.
@S Robin even if I were to give you that, so what? How does that connect to this case?
Lol if that truth can't or won't be spoken in front of those students then..
@S Robin but how does that connect to this paritcular case. Theres no proof of racism in the classroom
OK I'm going to be honest. I'm black and when I got my Degree I was one of the not so many black students to graduate. Started with a lot left with few. She was just stating what she sees on a regular bases why fire her? 🤔 I'm lost. We must be that sensitive now I guess 😂😂.
Well, how was your teaching in high school..not good right.. tutors, after school teaching..Did, mom pay for a College Admissions.. ok, so there you go.
If you have her kind of attitude, that can impact HOW you grade students. It’s not a matter of being too sensitive - it’s a concern over how students are treated. Not all exams have simple yes/no questions and answers. Not all professors grade without bias.
Apparently her experience can not be voiced.
I'm not black but I'm mexican. I also think teachers always think other races are not better then whites. I'm sorry not to agree with you .but I just to have friends and they teachers and they always tell me sometimes some blacks are very smart but they cant give them A so I ask her why she said because you cant let them to rule the world one day. So even when when you think their actually caring for their students I dont belive .
@@adr1ana1000 you don’t have to agree with me. We going off our encounters. Mine is different it is what it is 🤷🏿. In the school I went to we were treated better than other students yet most still failed. Not on the teacher
20 Year career gone because she stated a fact? Makes sense...
Sometimes I wonder who the victim is
Just because she made a comment does not make it a fact. We don't even know her basis for grading her "lower ones" lower than her other higher scoring students. Is she grading her "lower ones" just on academic basis or does she have some bias against some students. I wish the university would investigate so the truth and facts come out.
The fact that you and her know there is a systemic problem, and you sit home and comment and do nothing? Still no problem right?🖐️🖐️🖐️
@@songj0056 exactly, all these people are ignoring that her words also reflect things like grading and teaching. Let’s how she grades the papers of other students, or what efforts she doing to help students to better their grades.
@@songj0056 Let me help you out here: It's nothing to do with racism on the part of the professor, I guarantee it.
This woman should not have been fired for this situation. If her observation is honest, then Georgetown should investigate to see if her assessment is accurate. Then they could looked into why this is the case. Teachers need to be able to discuss the needs of their students and how to support them.
Well said! I completely agree!
You sound enlightened.
Exactly. What are the other issues at play here. Are the black students working jobs, etc...while they're attending? That's just 1 thought, it could be something else. I heard frustration, like many teachers in America, not racism.
I had studied academic performance and minority/poverty issues. It's a great question that needs to be addressed. Not addressing it shows they don't care.
She could be grading in a biased way.
I’m confused. I didn’t hear anything racist here? She seems like she noticing a possible growing problem with the percentage of the black students.
Same here
From the comment above "The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors."
Why do you think Black students don't do as well in a white based culture, that being University. Is there implicit bias there? Could be indeed, infact research shows it.
@@thedialogue9545 For one, admitting them when their grades/scores are lower than their peers aka Affirmative Action.
And your assertions that white-based culture is the reason, falls apart when you consider other non-white races (Asian) wasn't mentioned.
@@HiddenRoar Asian not being mentioned would also support the theory that they are grading based on biases, since Asians are stereotyped as smarter.
I’m a black law student ... she isn’t lying. Rather than just firing these professors, let’s find out what the real problem is!!! Now, I don’t know what issues she may have had prior to this incident but regardless of any this doesn’t resolve the problem.
Thank you for validating her statement. This Cancel Culture is really twisted.
If you are a black law student then you should be keenly aware of how racist her comment is. If you want to know why, consider this: How is it, that she somehow knows that her lower performing students are black? What does she mean by that? Who is she including in her estimation? Is she including brown skinned Asian students as well as black students? What if the reality is that her low students are her more economically disadvantaged students? What if there's a comparison to be drawn along other lines, such as gender, which colleges they came from, what their LSAT scores were, whether or not they had taken legal writing (or some other particular course) yet? There are several factors that could be assessed to draw conclusions about her low performing students. But SHE is the one pointing to skin color, and that clearly demonstrates the scope of her consideration. She has already drawn a link between skin color and grades in her course. And THAT is what the problem is.
I don't agree with you that there's some other "real" problem, for which we should refrain from just firing her. Professors like her ARE the real problem.
real problem is AA, let's be fair to all students, if the school is for academic, be it, don't decide students' competitiveness based on jumping and running
@@sunitamosesesq LOL. Going down the rabbit hole of "what ifs" to make your point when none of them are in evidence. LOL Be better. Focus on discussing what you know. If more evidence comes to light you can change your opinion but commenting on what-ifs is useless to the world.
GMA misrepresented the story,
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors
She got fired for making a factual statement ?? How can anyone attending this school not be embarrassed?
She said "some (blacks) are fine, but a lot of her lower (scoring) ones are blacks. And it frustrated her. What is wrong with that statement? I guess you can't say there is a performance problem with some black law students. Considering they are accepted with a weaker background, it is to be expected. Poor lady, didn't deserve this at all.
and no one in the school dare to say a fair word
This problem started in grammar school because the push is to pass onward and no teacher is going to risk it job due to mandates they have to observe. Have a real conversation about students performing below standards. These institutions have to stay open and willing to accept those parents who are willing to pay those hefty cost or get loans that they will have to burden the rest of their lives. Do you have any idea how colleges and universities have closedown due to financial difficulties?
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors.
@@cherriledbetter1120 Here u are again... link?
It is shameful that professors can't speak freely about what they observe.
No one can handle the truth anymore. What she said is correct.
Today truth is racist.
She sounds like shes upset that black ppl are at the bottom of the class and wants to address it...
Am i missing something??
Exactly my impression too.
You're not missing anything. She didn't do anything wrong. It's woke cancel culture nonsense and it's out of control.
Why is she bringing up race in the first place? Not everything has to be about race. It shows she’s literally making a generalization. First of all depending on class size how is she paying that closely to each and every student that’s black? How is she making all those correlations and assessments without even doing scientific studies on it. Before you make a claim that further contributes to the stigma that all black people are dumb (cause me & u both know it does) actually do a study instead of your plain ignorant observations and random correlations. She can’t even say that it’s true without doing proper studies and research on the situation. Also her choice of words def aren’t exactly proper or nice.
You’re also pretty delusional if you think her tone is caring. Lol “it drives me crazy, they’re all just plain or stuck at the bottom” like cmon
@@meggiemeg435 You're cherry-picking to try to paint her as uncaring and racist. She said it made her "sad" and gave her "angst." Sounds caring to me.
Maybe she actually cares about her students, and she’s willing to say what no one else will....instead of failing them then taking their money!
Yep, this exactly what happens, especially in law schools. They give full ride scholarships to the top students and then to compensate, let in underperforming students (many times URM's) at full sticker (see inflated) price. This helps them meet quotas and get paid their $$$. The lower students tend (not always, but often) to perform below average and have a much more difficult time in school as well as finding jobs when they graduate. They are then saddled with all of the debt, basically paying for the top students to attend for free. The school doesn't care because they get their money and the bank doesn't care because the government guarantees the loans. Meanwhile the underperforming students are saddled with debt and have difficulty paying it off.
Source: I currently have a full ride to a law school. There's no way I'd pay full price what some of these schools charge.
@@someguy1143 Reverse. The URMs are more likely to get scholarships. The vast majority just get loans. People of any color or no color who have a weaker background will have more trouble - especially at Georgetown Law - which has some of the top students in the country. The school should put the stats out on the pre-Law achievement (grades, LSAT scores, and college ranking) and you will see Black Americans are lower on average (not all)- we all know that - its called Affirmative Action - and it can do a lot of good . She said "lower (performing)" they are still passing - Law school is super competitive. The school is reprehensible. I hope she sues them - she is a lawyer.
I would perceive that also , from knowing teachers.
That the greatest interest , would be that she could do something about it , to help. To make better .
We’ll never know, now will we? All we saw was a tiny clip and from the way she said it, I didn’t get a good feeling about it. And I went to an inner city high school where teachers genuinely cared. They did not sound like this professor when they were discussing this problem.
@Danny007 Bad comparison. No one care fs "whites" are on the bottom since they are the majority and no one is worried about them underachieving for whatever reason. To conclude she had bias against blacks from her statements is not logical. Call it angst or being distraught, she didn't like the outcome - how would you conclude that she is working to ensure the outcome? Most law school testing is multiple choice or question that are not ambiguous to answer - hence grading is not impacted much by any bias - and there are too many students in a class to even think about that.
I’m a democrat and I disagree vehemently with the dismissal. She was only telling the truth.
you guys are eating each other lol
Y’all voted for this in the most recent election. Get used to it.
No, you can’t disagree with it because that’s the democrat party for ya’. Truth over facts, right? That truth is whatever you guys say it is. Just like you idiots use to kick and scream about kids in cages....and now it’s perfectly acceptable, and don’t flippin deny it either. The democrat party is nothing but double standards; if it weren’t for double standards then you guys would have none at all. You can’t disagree with it, because with democrats, anything and everything is racist. So the truth is racist, I mean you guys even say that the truth is unfair(truth is truth, it can’t be unfair). This is of your own doing.....you got a little bit too woke, that’s what did it. But no worries buddy, you can just circle back because that seems to be an acceptable answer.
@@deplorablelibertarian whoa buddy. A little louder for the people in the back
@Mister Roger....yes, it’s a derogatory statement because jen is a moron and can’t answer questions.
First: How did the reportedly “private conversation” become public? It sounds like their Constitutional Rights were violated.
Second: What was the context of the conversation? It sounded like they were dissecting an issue, not merely venting.
Per usual, the media does not report the entire story, but manipulate it to fit their agenda.
This story on GMA was not complete, I read more info from an online news paper, they were hosting a zoom meeting with the students, when the meeting ended both professors began talking candidly as we see in GMA’s clip. One student saw and had recorded the zoom meeting and later reposted meeting on Twitter. There were two clips posted, in the second clip the professors implied the lower grades might be there own biases “What drives me crazy is how that plays out, and whether that is my own perceptions playing in here, my own unconscious biases playing out,” he told Sellers.
I believe that is why it is seen as racist or unprofessional
@@cherriledbetter1120 white people are being forced to “admit” they’re racist. The professors don’t dare say out loud that their black students are under achievers even when it’s true. This is all political bs.
@@cherriledbetter1120 it was a set up.
Lmao, you must be a law professor at Harvard !
You are correct..This in it self is so dangerous now days to accuse someone of being a racist.. my grandson has been accused of being a racist by his black friends..He is in 3rd grade. This has been going on for 2 years now..These children are taught to be victims and falsely accuse their piers of racism
Wait? Sounds like she's frustrated about it and bothered this didn't sound racist
What happen is that in another clip of this convo she and the other professor implied they are biases in their grading that they might be grading differently due to race, that’s why she was fired
@@cherriledbetter1120 so where is that clip?
Sucks when Truth slips out. Deal wiith that Truth and work from there. Tired of.people.not being able to talk about priveledged subjects. It's not good.for America
@@pj5817 lol! Except for the fact they are subjective essay exams that are coded so not to know the names of who gets what grades...
Whats bad for America are people like you who run to their confirmation bias without a bit of research.
Sit down
@@laiccm stfu with ur commie bias bs. Ur what's wrong eith this country. In fact Venezuela would probably suit you better and you don't have to deal with whitey anymore. Get ur passport and gtfoutta here already
Disgusting. That she got fired, I mean.
If she believes that any black coming into her class won’t do well then she will likely grade as such. We all know that law school is graded on a curve. There goes your unbiased efforts in grading if you already believe that blacks will submit lower work (“...most of them...”, in her words). That to me...is the disgusting part. They should have kept her and invited her to share how she grades. I would love to hear more from this lady. Unfortunately many people do not see the real issue being, IF blacks in her law classes don’t succeed then the real question is WHY? Do they get the same access from the beginning of time? Why are there so many first generation law students? Are they just as smart but would need years of access to education like their counterparts so that the playing field is more leveled? Please ask yourself these questions too. There IS an education gap. Too bad that this professor did not mention some of these gaps in her zoom meeting. She may have been professor of the year versus loosing her job. Food for thought. I hope that you think of these blatant issues too. Seriously. I love how recordings like these that cannot be denied make us all discuss these issues. Otherwise...well I know that you know the rest. There are other professors like her sadly. She just got caught on video.
@@equallyyoked1 have u ever been to school? I mean how on earth you have this kind of thought?
@@equallyyoked1 what did she do? Just brought up an issue she sees As a teacher. This is a cultural issue not a race one, wanna change it? Do better blacks
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors.
Yup. I hope she finds work very soon. Just needs to know that freedom of speech is only valid if you're NOT white...or a liberal.
This woman is just stating FACTS. In her experience, black students ‘ academic performance were lower than average in her classroom. It is what it is
No its "racist" because its paints her black students in a bad light. Thing is, such data exists everywhere, in public schools of all levels.
When you take standardized testing your score is tied to your name and ethnicity, whatever that may be. This professor merely stated what the data shes had so far has shown, and since it painted a certain ethnicity of students in a less than appealing light she got fired on the faulty and incorrect grounds of racism.
Racist teachers and professors are also sinister with how they grade certain ethnic students. Its also not just white professors. Ive been a victim of racist educators from other races as well. Our education system has a hard problem paying closer attention to the people they hire or give tenure to.
@@dbzfan655 Agree
Ohhh...look...guess who still isn't defending herself, spoke to her union or even defended her reputation?
Almost as if she got caught lyyyyyyyinnnng...😆 🤣
@@mutalix Exactly! And all of her tests are essays. smh. So you know she's bias. Not to mention that she's not at Podunk U. These are students at Georgetown Law School.
I always become skeptical when the news tells me what to think before I even see a video. They called the lady 5 different names before they let us hear what she said. All she said was what actually happened, she seems unhappy about it and wants it to change. Nothing racist about it. Also why was the other professor suspended? For sitting there?
YES. How often do you read in media lately " here's what you should know" I guess just the fact it is called 'media' these days says it all.
Lets not talk about the higher scores that Asian peoples need to get in order to attend that same school that might have gotten better grades.
If that were accurate sure
That's is true. There are lawsuits regarding it.
@@johntran1352 and thrown out for lack of evidence
African student have better scores than Asians but hey! the news never publicize it. Double standard.
@@Chris_EE shhhh
Welcome to America 2021. We have freedom of speech. But remember not freedom of speech of truth
truth ... about black people
You're free to say whatever the woke mob tells you to say, and whatever else which doesn't offend.
What's offensive about this? If they're at the bottom, they're at the bottom. She's clearly just telling it like it is, and doing so makes her uncomfortable.
She was criticizing the school's admission policies. That was very unprofessional.
@@Coffee.and.antibiotics
A question that needs to be asked are the kids in her classes the only ones or is it the general population? If its just her classes, i could understand the outrage, could be her, if its the whole school its not.
@@uwocsoco How is that unprofessional? This is a concern that many professors have expressed. It is extremely common for middling level students to perform at the bottom of their class when they're thrown into schools that have standards above their capabilities to meet. On the flip side, if they had been placed into a school that was more appropriate to their academic levels they would have a way easier time or excel. Struggling students drop classes or change to easier majors so they survive, that's not a good thing and they're being setup to fail in the name of diversity.
@@Coffee.and.antibiotics what's wrong here? If that's the numbers, its the numbers...
@@googlergoogleplex6013I would say it's more like the hatred of white people that have historically/currently hated Black Americans.
Problem identified: Office of diversity , equity, and affirmative action.
Yes as you can't be pushing people into higher course just for looks. These statics never follow how many of blacks that were admitted actually complete the course well. They only care about admissions. It's like expecting a standard freshman math student to learn seniod level nuclear energy just because I threw him in the course.
“Diversity and equity” is a joke - the universe doesn’t work that way!
@@jamalwilburn228 that's exactly why I am curious as to what the full conversation was and the context/ reason this was brought up by her in the conversation. If it was just random, okay then there's a problem and it's just uncalled for and wouldn't have been a reason to mention their race etc. I understand she may have been just making an observation, but that doesn't need to be mentioned UNLESS they were talking about the impact on grades because of the pressures of being a POC etc. Not enough context / enough Information about the conversation here. HOWEVER, if there is a quota to pass POC students with a bias APART from their grades- then that is where I could see this being mentioned as well. I would have issue with that. I believe in BLM and affirmative action ONLY if all other qualifications are equal. Eventually hiring someone based on qualifications and affirmative action us a while separate philosophical debate. Grades come first though.. I am aware of the socio economic impact on POC communities in regards to grades. However once a person can make it to law school everyone needs to be treated the same in hopes of turing out the best lawyers the school can produce. Unfortunately with the most news clips there just isn't enough information given and then whether intentionally or not, the story has a spin/ narrative to it without any time for questions to be raised. Classic case of " lack of IN-DEPTH reporting."
@@Laowu1898 especially when you make it that way.
GMA did not report the full story, there was a second clip were the professors implied it was their biases that contributed to the difference of grades by race, so the school removed them from grading students. That’s what happened
She gets fired for speaking the truth. Never in history has it been a good thing to silence people for merely speaking. This country is in trouble
Next thing you know, they'll take our thoughts away. D. Mustaine.
@@Zonum420 .......she was fired because she's a racist just like you and the persona Kamala Lama-lama-ding-dong who started this idiot thread...... if you can read go back and read what she said. She said "a lot" of her black students give her angst because of their low scores. This is where she's thinking just like a racist would think. Then (perhaps out of guilt for her private racist views) she gets "very very honest" and says, but "some black students" are doing great. What this means is: she is trying to associate skin color with intelligence or behavior, but her true conscience came to the fore about how well "some of her black students" are doing. She was FIRED as well as she should have been. Thinking like a racist make her racist. The lesson:
Stop associating skin color or the lack thereof with intelligence or behavior. Even if this idiot racist professor had only 1 black student that did well that would mean his black skin color had nothing to do with his intelligence or behavior. This is not rocket science.
@@donniematonnie9378 I can listen, I can type, and I can read. Verbatim this is what she said. "And you know what, I hate to say this. I end up having this; you know angst every semester that a lot of my lower ones are blacks. Happens almost every semester." Now that you brought up semantics to substantiate your position/perception, I will do the same. My impression of her statement is she is disappointed that her lower-performing students are black students almost every semester. As a result, I think she wants to see her black students succeed and is disappointed that they do not score higher. Illustrated by her comment of "I hate to say this." Moreover, your perception that "she is trying to associate skin color with intelligence or behavior" is not the same perception I have. She is merely stating performance observations and then explaining what demographic typically scores lower. I do not see how her statement is racist. However, it is ok to have different perceptions. But to call people racists because they do not think the same as you will not bring about any positive change. If we are not allowed to talk and examine issues like this and let feelings guide decisions the great Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy will be ruined. Furthermore, we do not have the whole context of this conversation and none of us can really come to a conclusion with only one narrative of the story. When you always find yourself in agreement with one side, perhaps it is time to reevaluate how much of your thinking is your own. Stop trying to take my thoughts away ;)
@@Zonum420 ......you purposely left out the part where she said and I quote "there are some "REALLY GOOD ONES" so it blows your entire negative theory about black people........right otta of the water.
Anybody associating skin color with intelligence or behavior is a RACIST period. That's why she was fired.
@@donniematonnie9378 whatever dude. Go be mad at everything. You are a waste of effort. Take it easy
Sounds like she was just relaying her experience, and she wasn’t necessarily happy about it. Not racist, IMO. Then again, everything is racist now (except anti-white racism).
You hit the nail on the head.
Lmaooo wtf is anti white racism?? When did congress pass "the white codes"??
@@NeeNee_B. Affirmative Action is literally "anti-white racism" where blacks and other people of color get hiring preference, not based on experience or merit, but simply by their skin color. Understand now?
@@dansmith6990 doesn't feel too good does it? Guess which groups had to endure discrimination long before "anti-white racism." What even is anti-white racism? Is that for or against white people? Anti-white makes sense, Anti-white racism? Why not just use "racism" or "anti-white?" Here is a quote for you: "Equality feels like oppression to the privileged."
@@danap2948 Oh, so two wrongs make a right? Gotcha.
And it's not "equality" when things aren't being applied EQUALLY. You're a fucking moron though, that much is true ;-)
I'm so tired of the media!
Facts not racism.
To bring race into it is why it is a problem, and it's better to acknowledge the fact that maybe some people are at a greater disadvantage, which can be a great factor in how they approach school. Intelligence has nothing to do with race, I would argue that racists and evil people aren't very bright even if they manage to get good grades. Another point is that it's not difficult to get good grades, and it doesn't make you the smartest person. All people can be intelligent and smart and it has nothing to do with race, there are many other factors that contribute to how well you do in school, such as motivation, mental health, economic situation, etc.
If she is speaking the truth, who cares? This country is so gd sensitive its disgusting.
The left part of this country, to be specific.
Is she speaking the truth or she intentionally scoring them lower?
If she’s speaking the truth. Great point!!! How do we know if she is or is not? I was one of a few black students in a private high school and you better believe I faced racism with some of those teachers. I was an excellent student and yet I was graded harshly compared to my white classmates. Sorry to tell you this but racism does exist, I’m just speaking from personal experiences.
@@CatEyedGoddess Which classes? There's no way they could grade you worse on math or science.
@@globalfamily8172 She teaches Law School. Much different from the first two years of college. The professors know who’s in the program once they enter a major. Law Schools are no different. When people say the professors don’t or shouldn’t know who their students are... haven’t stepped foot on a college campus.
If you say that a group of people is bad in what they do. If that's is a lie let's correct it, but if that is the truth, facts don't care about anybody opinions. Nobody should be fired for expressing the truth. If you don't like the content give it your dislike. The truth doesn't care about color. It is simply the truth.
And the truth is that the country is in mass degradation for it.
EQUAL OUTCOMES
RIGHT ON!!!!
The truth without proper CONTEXT is very disingenuous.
The group of people are "bad at what they do" because anything they do is gonna be looked at as "bad." They can be 4.0 from their previous school and you will hear, "well it's because of they got special trearment," or "it's affirmative action," or "they must not have gone to a tough school." There is an alarming number of people commenting that she is "stating facts." It's "facts" because she is perpetuating the stereotype that the bottoms are "blacks" and every semester no less! What is the bottom? What about asians at the bottom or whites at the bottom or foreign exchange students at the bottom? Or are the only under achievers black? And if so, why? Others have mentioned it so I will mention it again, look up systemic racism.
So much for anonymous grading I suppose. Oh how I love law school. But, is she lying? Was this racist or just her being concerned?
She was just being concerned...and frustrated. As an educator she sincerely wishes every student do well.
Initial grading is anonymous, but profs can go back once grades are posted to determine the name of a given test taker.
I’d say she was being concerned.... I work in higher Ed and it is frustrating.
As long as America's diverse "tribes" value different societal merits, certain tribes won't EVER be largely successful in aspirations requiring only the best of its tribe. Simple as that. Some tribes need to lose their ignorant misplaced values and make education and nonviolence their priorities!!!!!!
No good deed goes unpunished!!!!!
I listened to it 3 times. Sounds more like she cares. These students get passed on year after year because our k-12 curriculum is atrocious. Kids can't even read the directions to do their lessons. Enough of covid. Work on education.
her black students are failing because they had a lower GPA requirement to get into that school, and weren't prepared for the intensive curriculum. Racist policies are racist, even if they benefit black people.
School fired her because she admitted to grading from biases.
@@dansmith6990 you’re making assumptions, no where did they say blk students were failing, what she said is she has an emotional reaction’ angst’ when she has blk students because she finds that they grade lower, but she never said how low is low. Typically in competitive universities low is less than 1% of the highest scores. So it doesn’t necessarily mean the students are not qualified, however admitted she grades from biases does mean she is not qualified and so they fired her
My own white son is going through this in a middle class school. Even though my son is white, he is the type of student getting pushed forward without needing to attempt to succeed so why would they start doing it in college? For her, it's the black students going through this. In our schools with multiple cultures and colors, it's happening to ALL of our boys in K-12.
@skylilly What's with that professor's wide open and rolling eyes 👀, distasteful lips 😬, patronize 😕 behavior, mocking, head tossing and hands movements 😵🤷🤦🧟 mean then ⁉️ If that "sounds more like she cares" then maybe you should say and react that way toward your kids, brothers, sisters, cousins, and family members; then see if they will praise you for sounds like you care about them‼️🤣😂
can we cancel ABC News? little taste of their own medicine.
Yes, don't watch it, EVER. Enough people do the same...........CANCELLED !!!
You should hear their 5 minute top of the hour radio segments! Almost as bad as NPR, sometimes worse. And they give out private medical information on people which is a big no no. I usually mute them until my local news comes on.
@@skylilly1 o my lord do they really? I avoid any main stream news I can. I just seen this pop up in my what's happening feed and clicked it..... only to be disgusted. unreal. brainwash everyone is their only agenda.
It's not like ABC fired the lady.
@@Preservestlandry did you watch the same video? did you see the reaction of the the news anchors? They are immediately jumping to how racist she is and how racist everyone in this country is and I'm sick of it. The media gets up there and distorts the truth, bends truth to match a certain narrative. I understand what you mean but it's exactly this kind of thing that is destroying our country. everyone is so sensitive and triggered that common sense is gone and main stream media has a gigantic role to play in that. it's sad that we have let it get to this point. united we stand. divided we fall. anyone else rememeber that? when they divide us they get what they want. they are getting exactly that
They weren't racist! You freaking liars! Why don't you address the problem? This wasn't rscist
@Toomuch Destructiion no that is not THE problem.
@Toomuch Destructiion Not in Brazil, Japan, India, Ghana etc... in most of the world that's just not true
@Toomuch Destructiion how do you know that? How are you measuring that? Even if you are right how does that square with black students in a freaking American LAW SCHOOL? The professor has the right to opine on her own students. There are no protected classes of people in our constitution. The real problem is the infantilization of black people by liberals and their media. they wan t equality until it comes to being held accountable. That's NOT equality. I'm sick of this crap.
The male professor got in trouble when he ain’t even say nothin 😂
Life comes at you fast!!!
@@tammier8860 facts 😲
Even funnier -women are considered minorities also, so I guess they fired a minority - duh!!
@@tammier8860 It does, just like when your husband cheating on u fast.. was it with a blonde, because they say they’re prettier, than brunettes.. but that would be judging at a whole..hmmm
In the full version of the clip she admitted that it might be her own biases that lead to her grading by race and the male professor admitted the same and that is why she was fired and he was removed from being able to grade students. The full story you can get at the Daily Mail
Welcome to the snow flakes and cancel culture generation!!!!
Holding people accountable for there words and actions is not being a “snowflake” or “canceling” someone, she’s a professor, and educated adult who knows better and should’ve done better if she’s was concerned.
@@Marchking45 you wish your mommy is your professor?
@@xiao6826 ☝️☝️☝️That’s not the one!!! Just because you have the ability to type and post a comment doesn’t mean you have to do it!!!
@Rita Poon the same goes for you, if you don’t care about the subject, why do feel the need to include your opinion. Just cause you can doesn’t mean you need to.
@@Marchking45 you have no fucking say in whether i can comment ot not. What a typical giant baby who thinks he or she dictates the world. Go and get your mommy.
Seems she’s stating facts. Can’t have that nowadays.
Unless she grades them differently.
@@al-bot1094 Academia is full of far- left liberals -- not many "white supremists" want to work at a college.
Ziggy, how dare you claim that people should operate under the "rule of facts!" What kind of a world would we have if everyone did such an insane thing!!!??
@@Duke_of_Prunes you know a lot of white supremacists? You ask them all where they work?
You know people hide their beliefs sometimes, right?
And you know that some bad people try to find jobs where they can do a lot of damage, right?
Kind of like people who join the military just to kill.
@@al-bot1094 So have a witch hunt and clear out academia -- eating your own is what the left is good at.
Imagine being a student at a prestigious law school that you can not earn good grades. If you can’t do the work, you should not be there - no matter the color of your skin! We should rise and fall on merit, and merit only!
Now you're beginning to understand where Conservatives are coming from. What you just pointed out is Affirmative Action -- a racist policy in itself.
You mean a student, where College Admission Scandal, run rapid.. hahah will mom find u a Husband..hmmm
Ohhh...look...guess who still isn't defending herself, spoke to her union or even defended her reputation?
Almost as if she got caught lyyyyyyyinnnng...😆 🤣
How is it racist? She stated a fact that her black students just aren't trying as hard as others students.... I honestly can't see this being racist but the media will make anything seem racist as long it mentions blacks
There was a 2nd clip were the professors implied that the lower grades were due to their biases “What drives me crazy is how that plays out, and whether that is my own perceptions playing in here, my own unconscious biases playing out,” he told Sellers.
She did not say her Black students weren't trying as hard. She never ascribed blame or named the reason. She said many of her lowest graded students were Black, she did not ascribe a cause for that only that that fact disturbed her.
I'm a black man but to be honest I didn't hear anything racist about that comment, she was merely stating the fact & she wasn't laughing about the issue. She seemed frustrated & concerned because she even said " there are some good ones."... To me it sounded like a cry for help for black students. She wasn't mocking anyone.
amen. Agree.
You have to find and read the whole story, ABC’s clip misrepresented the story. There is another clip where the professors implied that they maybe grading through their personal biases. So Georgetown law took this as an admission of unfair grading practices and removed them both from grading students this semester and the female professor tried to step down but George Town law fired her before she could quit.
Fired for telling the truth. Hope she sues them.
she said nothing wrong, just aired her frustration about her lower graded students.
Exactly 👍
She literally called them useless and that they just stay at the bottom??? A teacher who wants you to do better, would ignore the race of the students and just identify the ones who may be struggling.
@@bassreeves2410 Oh my gosh, lol!!! Typing on a phone screen isn’t that easy🙄. And you’re still missing the point, if a teacher has a pattern of a specific group of students failing every semester, then obviously it’s not the students who are the problem. 20 + year teachers get stuck in old ways and never update their teaching methods. And this is Georgetown, not some random community college. Those students work hard just like everyone else to get admitted and pass there classes.
@Rita Poon No, why are her black students struggling, we would need an investigation to see how black students are doing overall in the same course and the school. And we’re not talking about high school and elementary children, these are grown as adults. And they go to Georgetown, not a random community college. So these aren’t just ordinary students, they worked hard to get into that school and I doubt they’re just “slackers” or have a lack of formal education.
@Rita Poon Not all colleges are public institutions, and No KID left behind only applies to public school districts which are k-12. Colleges are paid institutions who go by there own standards. And not every single black student who gets accepted to an Ivy League or private school is accepted just to meet the diversity quota, a lot of them actually work hard to earn a spot and get admitted. I don’t think you understand how the college system works.
How is this racist? Maybe if more black students studied more instead of crying racism every time they would get higher grades
The irony in your comment . Shows how racist you are. I’d happily tell you why what she said was racist but you clearly made up your ignorant mind .
You’re literally so ignorant you probably wrote that comment before probably even watching the video. Disgusting
True fact
@@tychelotus3536 come on
@@tychelotus3536 me, a racist? an asian immigrant who was forced to study while working in college. While black people get into colleges just because of race.
Tell me what she said that was racists?
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
Well said
Ohhh...look...guess who still isn't defending herself, spoke to her union or even defended her reputation?
Almost as if she got caught lyyyyyyyinnnng...😆 🤣
If you’re Black an are offended by this vid you’re disgusting , as A Mexican POC just because someone state a fact doesn’t mean she’s directing any shade your way. This is why y’all always loose an we’re up an coming. You have this Victim mentality
If you are going to make a racist statement you should really learn to spell. 🙄
@Mister Roger If you're offended by it, you are disgusting. What difference does country make?
@@nancybeveridgetaylor3256 What is racist about the statement?
Jay...you have this Idiot mentality...
@@hectorheck1353 is you dumb or?
So she was fired for...stating uncomfortable truths? This reminds me of that incident at Stuyvesant High School in New York where the entrance exam was deemed "racist" because black students couldn't pass it even though everyone else could and there were demands for affirmative action which would allow black students admission to the school without having to qualify while everyone still had to pass the test. Maybe this professor should've just given all her black students an automatic passing grade and called it a day. 😂
Oh ya I've heard about that since black and Hispanics don't usually have the resources so the school is usually filled with Asian and white students. I don't belive the test is racist tho
@@dayaoof8907 You mean don't have the intelligence
@@chewcab8008 im not racist but okay and I'm a ma'am
@ultraquiz yea
@ultraquiz maybe systemic racism is the school system?
At the College/ University level, especially elite academic Universities, and even more in specialized schools within those Universities like their law, Med, Engineering, and Business schools, students must perform. These are fast paced, highly competitive environments. It is not a College professor’s job to volunteer as a study buddy for any student. Typically students form study groups with each other or hire more senior students to help them if they are struggling. They have to be incredibly disciplined and micro manage their daily schedules. A University student is a young adult responsible for their success or failure. If and when a student is falling behind they must recognize it and act swiftly in their own best interest. A professor can provide recommendations and resource lists, and there are professors who head up study groups but that is RARE. The reality is that there are no academic victims in the Law School at Georgetown. If a Law Professor with 20 years under her belt at such a respected institute of higher learning speaks about an observable pattern the likelihood is that it is factually accurate. Why is her stating that fact racist? She didn’t create the circumstances that led to some students not doing as well as others. She seemed to me like a person expressing a moment of frustration about a pattern she has observed over time that hasn’t changed. How is that racist? And why is it that people seem to look through the harshest and least generous lens today? Human beings are not perfect and in this time of hyper charged tension, self promotion, the trampling of American liberties and the overwhelming lack of nuance in discourse, where every power center feeds the narrative of racial division and pours gas on embers and salt on wounds for votes and ratings and the adolescent glee of canceling someone whose eyes you don’t have to look into as they lose everything, the greatest victim is our humanity.
I really don’t think she should be fired. Nothing really wrong with what she said.
She should've lied and said they were top of the class, apparently.
I agree. How was that offensive I will never understand.
@@mayebouee8099 Thank you 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@@mayebouee8099 Where is it in evidence she's "likely scoring them lower as well"? Would you like to be judged by the same assumptions?
@@mayebouee8099 the difference is, she's talking about students in her class. IE, evidence.
Being honest will ruin your life in 2021- but we already know this.
@Covid 46 I don't blame you. A girl working retail was moving a clothes rack, she is short so she had to look around the rack to make sure nobody was in her way. When she looked around the rack she saw a black women. The black women reported her and said the worker looked at her "like she did not have any money." Needless to say she lost her job. Even when nothing is said certain people have the power to ruin your life. Frankly, white people need to start standing up for themselves.
I don't understand why she got fired for stating a fact makes no sense
I don’t get it.
I am black and there is nothing wrong to making observation when students refused to study so they perform well
EQUAL OUTCOMES.
This is crazy... She is saying a higher number of her lower grades are black, then the reporter says how only 14% of teachers their are black... Neither of those are due to color, it's the preformance of those students keeping them at the bottom and hence if less are getting good grades on general and graduating that means less to teach at a college.... I'm so over that so of a sudden you can't say anything without it being racist. Others are telling her what she was thinking and saying, there's no freedom of speech anymore or freedom to be an individual... Well I'm not confirming and I'm not racist and I hope we can start putting the same amount of energy and drive and power into real important issues like saving our planet and oceans that are dying and we rely on to even be here.... That's what is going to kill us, not racism, it's going to be our own selfish and twisted way if viewing things. We need to cancel social media and redo how the news is delivered, e need fact checkers again, wet need full stories told... I want to hear what her whole video did, not just the clip of her saying that 1 thing, or reminds me of another case that is being twisted and it's scary.
You should really read the book “Whistling Vivaldi”. There is actual, credible evidence done by many, many social psychologists that proves that a student’s behavior and study skill are only a small part of why certain groups historically do poorly in certain areas when compared to other groups. This goes for race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, etc. Any single group you can think of. The main premise is a concept called “stereotype threat”, which means that a person who identifies themselves with a particular group will feel the threat of a negative stereotype associated with that group when it is present in real life situations. This threat is proven to be so strong, that it significantly impacts a person’s performance.
I used to think along the lines of what you said here, but after reading this book for one of my college classes it really changed my perspective. I’m a white, young adult, woman who has absolutely no idea what minorities must feel when they’re in school. I really do encourage you to read it, and to recommend it to others if you like it. Decently cheap on amazon too.
www.amazon.com/Whistling-Vivaldi-Stereotypes-Affect-Issues/dp/0393339726/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=whistling+vivaldi&qid=1615612415&sprefix=whistling&sr=8-1
@@sassysigns8029 I understand that concept... Someone tells you you are something over and over you start believing it, that's just human reaction... As a child my parents would say to me "be careful you are more likely to be drug and alcohol addict and just don't do it, cause of genes. it was over and over and over, so at some point my ingrained behavior was to fall into that cause that's all I heard and not taught why or how to change or avoid.... I was told I was something before I even had a chance to not be that or figure out who I was... So I get what you're saying. But reality too is that at some point, ee do ferro to dictate who we are and what we do and wet get to choose how to channel that to others and teach others to be better... It's overcoming the blame game and owning my actions, behavior, words, thoughts... Everyone wanted someone or something to blame, there are no mistakes allowed or responsibility put in individuals. It's always "so and so fault or this happened due to this or mental health caused them to kill 4 people..." but then whoever is going against the grain is torn down and loved ruined and judged, it's all on that person noone or nothing else to blame.... So I see your point and have been there but there's a flaw to it...I'm this case, the students have a choice to not me in bottom percent, not to fall into whatever bubble they have been placed in... We each are in power of our own lives, good and bad.
Along with expressing stress imposed by that awful environment, she also exposes the Georgeclown administration promoting grade inflation & other unjust preference depending upon dark skin color. She is being persecuted for Truth.
When the truth hurts.. They fire you.
But it’s not the truth . It’s biased , ignorance and racism .
You're all so quick to defend such deplorable behavior. Very telling. I pity your children. You don't hear her racism because it's what you support.
@@tychelotus3536 it's their truth is the point. I never wrote he wasnt a bigot... people's real personality is revealed when they get frustrated in public. His kids know their father Is a bigot... they're be raised by him... right?
@@freda2758 she cancelled her outrage by her vulgar expressions in profanity... profanity is also a ignorant mind expressing itself... to add, where did I write the man wasnt a bigot. His frustration brought out how he feels.. exposing his true self... allegedly, with profanity also... assumptions make a**es out of people my guy...
Exposing your ignorance in a livestream or being videoed usually doesn't end well...
Thomas Sowell a brilliant black man has an explanation for all of this. Look him up.
I love Thomas Sowell!
THANK YOU! I’ve posted his name like three times on this feed in the hopes people will wake up.
Brilliant? He voted for Trump.
Can you link that video you sre referring to please
@@jackiepaper101 because Biden was the intellectual choice? 🥴
a lot of people don’t know what “angst” means
Oh now is prohibit say the true. wrong is right, the true can’t be said. Ridiculous.
Is what she said a lie? Sounds like a private conversation and about anxieties and how to deal with liberal studies that are suppose to be law school without being racist. This is CRAZY!!!
GMA did not report the full story. The professors in another clip implied it was their biases that contributed to the grading differences between the races of students and so the school removed them from being able to grade
Do they have statistical evidence from the class proving her wrong?
Okay since you clearly don’t understand the issue. This professor knows that her failing students happen to be African Americans or People of Color. Rather than looking into why this is the issue and fixing it (Cough Cough Years of Systemic Racism: lack of ap classes/higher education in colored communities). She would rather categorize all Students of Color as inferior.
“We Get A Few Good Ones”
Essentially she sees a problems complains about it and doesn’t try to solve it. What a great Professor.
@@jaire4061 Ah, now I understand. She should be fired for not fixing Systemic Racism.
@@Sirius39170 Or fire a professor who has seen a yearly trend and doesn't do anything about it or ask How is our campus failing our students of color. Then yea. He or She should be gone.
I don't understand.. she was saying that alot of the lower grades are from black students?
Yeah I’m not sure how they got racism from that.
That’s a hate crime you stupid ass people
Doesn’t matter. Her pointing that out shows the views she has. The stereotypes toward black people are “black ppl are dumb and don’t try “ but that’s not true. Her saying that on this context is her being ignorant and reinforcing those stereotypes. Therefore making it racist .(shes correlating their race to their grades)
Cause when white students or student of other races fail , I’m sure she doesn’t bring up race and doesn’t correlate their grades to their race ..
The problem is it wasn't said out of concern or regard. It was more so out her not wanting to deal with them, and decided they were the problem....if you watch the entire tape.
ABC you need to give better context...this isnt as clear as it should be on your part.
What
Sorry, but they (abc, cnn, etc) are told Never Break the Narrative. Truth has NO place in the media of today.
For the first time since 1948 Propaganda is now legal in the United States.
On the 29th of December, 2012, President Barrack Obama signed HR 4310, the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act.
Section 1078 of the bill authorizes the use of propaganda inside the US, which had previously been banned since 1948 when the Smith-Mundt Act was passed.
@@Aleainctaest go tie dye something you embarrassment
Can't expect better journalism from ABC. They like to stir up stories for views.
@@johntran1352 John, I'm a big fan of your journalism! You definitely know what you're talking about!
One of things we have discussed in my law class is that in most law schools, they aim to fill their high LSAT scores first and THEN fill the diversity with affirmative action. What you end up with is students who cannot compete academically with those who have high scores. It is a genuine issue and is something that needs to be addressed.
It isn't racist; especially when it is something trying to be fixed.
Im black so what did she say was wrong. If she is lying then fire her if not try to fix the problem
Thank you for being clear-minded.
If u have to announce ur black...u are not
@@nodoubt8842 To be on the sure side, we should find out if he voted for Biden. If not, then we know he's not black.
wrong or not wrong?
u cannot engineering people's brain, mission impossible, do what you are good at, leave opportunities to those well prepared
Bro. Wtf did the male professor do to deserve to get put on leave. My mans was jus on the other side of the zoom call and got in trouble for no reason 😂
Sounds funny, true.. but if she felt comfortable with him.. there’s no telling what we didn’t see. I wonder why people are at an uproar. They are so mad because she told her true gut.She gets angst when black people are around.
He is a white male of a certain age. He must be cancelled.🤷🏻♀️😩🙄😡 #AngrySarcasm
As a minority I’m deeply offended by this story because the full conversation was not detailed, just snippets, that make the professor sound bad to some but I didn’t pickup racism in her tone rather concern. If she and the other professor have a history of racial slurs and comments, I would totally understand it. It’s sad to see that stating a fact has become something people are castigated for in this new EMO era and that the public does what it does best, jump to conclusions w/ out all the facts. So sad!!!
The more society drifts from the truth, the more they hate those who speak it
You are one hundred percent right
Basically proving Affirmative Action does not lead to equity but a double-standard.
Never should have forced integration.
The way the media Villainize the professor is beyond me. This isn’t right at all.
I don't understand it either. There are always two sides to a story, but the media outlets choose to focus on painting Prof. Sellers as a racist witch.
There's a lot of information missing, here is from another comment "The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors."
I had three zoom classes last semester. If anyone heard those professors talk, they would all get fired. What this professor said is nothing.
I agree. Turn them in. There are plenty of people that can teach that will take their jobs.
Plus it is the truth.
what did they say?
@@alextjflorida The TRUTH, a reality that doesn't sit well with a certain underachieving demographic.
@Lisa Kovacs wtf?
Where was the racism? Didn't she start by saying she hates to say it? Meaning she is not racist and wishes her lower students were not all black? We have come to an insane point in this county. Let me ask you all something. Would I be racist for saying Hey I happened to notice all Black people have brown hair... Would that be a racist statement or would I just be noticing a fact? This lady deserves her job back.
Not every black person has brown hair
@@kikiblu9982 Guess I must be a racist for saying it then lol. Oh and by the way that was not the point I was making so go F yourself!
Now we are at the point that if you’re white, you’re racist.
I don’t think what she said was wrong, I think it’s about how she said it. And plus she said this at a time of heightened race consciousness. Everyone is suspicious and anxious right now
Yeah, got to keep it heightened bec. its ur gravy train, only if u were so heightened abt having illegitimate kids before marriage
These people got fired because of peoples feelings. That's messed up.
Ha! Looks like the professor spoke some truth few were willing to stomach. Typical...
I dont think this is racist, she seems to speaking the truth.
I don't think she's but that was the wrong place on zoom 🤣😂
She was concerned and didn’t know how to bring it up because she would get fired..... and it happened. Oh My God you people have lost all touch. Nice “News” channel
Yeah I'm sure there's no proper way to talk about test scores at an education institute. Not like they'd ever have department meetings or faculty meetings or other appropriate forums. She brought it up in Zoom class because she was afraid to bring it up. Makes total sense.
They are not racist comments, they are facts!! I had a friend who flunked out of LSU law school. He ended up going to Southern University law school the following semester. He said that over 70% of the students were repeating the 1st year and 90% were black. He was 2nd in his class, facts.
Yes. I don’t think what she said are racist comments. And that conversation was very private. You cannot make it as a public statement.
What was racist about this comment?
She sounds more concerned than hostile.
Also, what about the school huh? Why is the majority of struggling students on that school black?👀👀
"Come on!" is not concern.
As a black man the professor was honest and right.
Wait....is it biased to say that this is true if it is true? She is discussing HER angst BECAUSE she doesn't like the fact that there are consistently, for whatever reason, a number of lower performing students that are black. Is she to blame for that fact? If you can show she is the cause, have at her....but as far as I can see she was upset that this was the case.
No, its confirmation bias
@@Aj_470 is it?
@@ggpkgman is it not?
@@Aj_470 not if one deals in reality
@@ggpkgman im not saying she's the cause, im saying she's not part of the answer and one could possibly think a professor would be solutions based...
Wow!? I guess from now on we just need to keep our mouths shut and never say a damn thing😶
Where’s the slander? If her statement is true there’s no racism; it’s an observation. I hope she sues the crap out of that university for wrongful dismissal.
Let's be honest, bias will never end.
@Dr of PoliticalScience true, it's just stating a trend in the grades
It's always been a problem they're letting then in with lower scores. They basically get set up for failure.
Charlie Costella Agree. But people don’t like to hear uncomfortable facts!
@@charliecostella It's why I quit being a college professor--I could not ethically continue with the lie anymore. I had a student (of color) who never showed up for class or did any of the work. Even with grade inflation he got a C. He should have failed.
@mizzmolly That's a great point! If the students were taking classes online she would not know about their race. Why was that information so important to share with another professor? Just because students did well in high school doesn't mean they're going to do as well in college regardless of their race. It could be a number of factors as to why students have difficulties . The above comments about black students are nothing short of sheer ignorance because they are unaware of what's going on with each student or perhaps the prejudice of the professor for not bring up the failures of the other students for the last twenty years which was odd. Just my thoughts!
the headline and report were despicable. The comments were not racist if based in fact.
Your thought process is despicable
The guy didn’t say a word! He literally didn’t do anything wrong
Neither did she.
@@papawheelie5576 she got fired for making a negative comment about black people
@@ygjjjgui Nope. She got fired for stating the truth about the black students in her class.
@@papawheelie5576 im still right. The truth was bad so she got fired for saying it
@@ygjjjgui truth is never bad or good, truth is truth!!
What's her comment based on the truth or lie.
It's based on systemic racism that allows her not to care about helping them, but rather find a way to dismiss them....Wallace.
It’s based on truth though.
@@freda2758 bullshit. She stated a fact. That's it. Not a racist comment. Some people like you simply can't handle the truth.
But There was nothing in that video conversation That stated that the students was or wasn't getting help she was saying the end of the day when the test scores come in a lot of blacks score low so maybe if she would have said African American score low? so now stating facts having proof behind it is a firing offense and racism also
Truth doesn't matter. You can lie and say that through lowest students are Asian, white, or Christian and that's. It's only racist and bigoted in what academia and the media claims is unjuat.
Let’s just fire her and not address the situation. Was there any discussion as to if she was right. And if she’s right, why should she be fired?
@Joseph ayala Yeah right.
She should be fired because she's sloppy. She very well could be correct, but the fact that it was publicly heard makes her sloppy and brings negativity to the school and students.
These days people need to have certain conversations face to face and not on zoom
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors.
GMA misrepresented the story,
The professors were holding a zoom class with law students, when the class ended they stayed on the zoom talking candidly as posted in GMA’s clip. However a student had recorded the zoom and later uploaded it to Twitter. There is a second clip where the professors implied that it was their biases that lead to the difference in grades. The school felt that they are not able to grade their students anymore, and removed them. That is why it is being reported as racism or unprofessional acts by professors
@@cherriledbetter1120 omg..... u are ridiculous same comment over and over. LINK????
SUE THE SCHOOL .
SHE DID NOTHING WRONG, JUST STATING FACTS ABOUT STUDENTS' ABILITIES .
I don't see why she should be fired if she's telling the truth 🤷♂️
Truth to libtards is like kryptonite to Superman.
She was fired because later in recording she said it could be her own biases and that she might be grading according to race
She literally said, “I hate to say this” and.... was she lying? If it’s true why are people mad at her?
@where's the lamb s a U C E Agreed.
To question a difficult statistic is not racist. It is documented that black students score lower across many disciplines although the reasons ARE systemic, not due to personal or cultural failings.
Perhaps she said other biased things omitted here, but this sound bite alone is not enough to move her from “someone having a difficult conversation where she’s obviously not the most fluent (e.g.,: ‘blacks’)” to “someone who is actively harming her students by expressing blatant bias.”
There are too many unknowns for this brief clip to be considered fair journalism, unless this is just a snippet as part of a longer investigation.
1) What was the professor’s ultimate point? Her conclusions aren’t clear from the clip.
2) Was she open to a change in her practices and assessments or was she justifying a resignation to view all black students as underperforming regardless of evidence?
3) Was she stating all this in front of her students, or was this meant to be a private and confidential conversation? It matters because we have a BIG problem with online communication becoming a convenient excuse for unfair surveillance where - if she was asking for help in-person - her statements here alone would not have led to such an extreme outcome.
Rant: White people NEED to have these conversations with each other (and I am just repeating what other black & brown scholars have said). White people should be well-informed and do their homework, but they should also be able to work through their general frustrations to one another without black & brown people having to bear all the burden of informing them of the centuries of histories and systems built up to maintain their status superficially. They need to understand that ALL people experience suppression and hardship, but the pressures are compounded over and over with each identity that’s subject to bigotry, ESPECIALLY when you factor in darker skin color, obvious facial or other observable physical features, ethnicity, and culture.
If the conversations black, brown, and white people had together started with, “I was reading about white ethnic identity development in the U.S. and how it’s different in some ways from black and brown identity development...” - and people could actually be patient with the complexities, believe the research, AND affirm one another’s experiences - man, we could be so much better. It’s a lot to ask but we fight the fight that needs fighting.
I'm confused. College professors literally hold department meetings to solve the achievement gap between White/Asians and non-Asian students of color. You could copy/paste the fired prof's remarks into one of those meetings and they would sound like any other Friday afternoon meeting. So I'm trying to figure out the issue. It's not like she was conspiring to give lower grades to her Black students. What she meant by her anxiety was:
1. professionalism compels her to grade all students by the same standards
2. applying those standards make some groups show up in the lower end of the distribution curve
3. this creates a real but awkward/uncomfortable reality
4. outsiders noticing such distribution differences could automatically accuse the prof of discrimination - that possibility is what's giving her anxiety
The 4th point is spot on.
Law professor of 20 years fired for telling the truth and expressing genuine concern for black students. Makes sense.
@henry t Exactly. Stories like this, BLM - there's nothing "progressive" about it.
Imagine just telling the truth about your 20 years of experience and having people get emotionally hurt about your true experience and that true experience ruining your life. Sad
How was that hurtful all she said was the lower students were black in a conversation with another teacher ,she didn't degrade them,this country is crazy
Therein lies the problem! Truth = Racism now. Insanity. Betcha that professor (like most) is even an “old school liberal” who wants to try to find a way to right a wrong IF something is even wrong. Who knows what to think anymore??🤔🤷🏻♀️
This is crazy, Fired for stating facts,