Why voting in 2016 could be nearly impossible for some Americans
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2016
- This year’s primaries are a testing ground for voter ID laws.
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I am still confused and baffled by how unusual it is to have an ID in the USA. It should be mandatory to get one.
+Francisco Francesconi The problem is the places where you can get IDs sometimes open once per week during the middle of the day, so it's hard for someone who works 40 hours a week to get one. They purposely keep strange hours to make it hard to get one.
Take into consideration on how long DMV lines are, and also people without transportation. If you are living on a minimum wage, you cannot afford to miss a single hour of work. No sick days, no vacations, you could be fired for missing hours of work.
+Mayo how are you working with out an ID. Sorry one should no be working with out an ID. NO ID NO JOB pay your darn TAXES
Mayo But the government should provide the means to everyone get their ID. Even in Brazil there were massive campaigns to register everybody (80's and 90's), so all citizens even in the most isolated regions in the Amazon forest had an ID. Nowadays it is reçatively simple to get an ID or register a newborn. Social programs, also recquire IDs in order to stop fraud.
Mayo also, people like in New York City where a very small number of people actually own vehicles and need a drivers license
You have to show an ID to buy alcohol, you have to show an ID to buy cigarettes. You should have to show ID to vote. This is a problem with how easy it is to get ID.
+ragmondead Buying alcohol or cigarettes is not a civil duty, voting is. EVERY American has the duty to vote but voter ID laws constrain that because citizens have to pay for IDs and it is a long process. If the nation demands IDs then they should make IDs easier to obtain and IDs should also be free. That way no American has no reason to not get an ID. If the government isn't willing to pay for what they require in order for citizens to fulfill their duty then they should accept other forms of ID or social security numbers instead.
The problem here is in the ease to attain ID. I 100% believe every American should have the right to an ID. But I also am competently opposed to voting without ID. Hell even my college makes me show my school ID when I vote.
The US election should be more secure than a university election.
@Velvet Dawn why did you necro
Everytime I buy alcohol and I'm asked for ID I can't believe how suppressed I feel and how racist the person asking is. Horrible life.
We already have a voter ID system. it’s called voter registration, and that system already filters out undocumented immigrants, children, and felons.
I don't understand why this is an issue. You need ID to drive, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, open a bank account, get food stamps,welfare, social security, renting or buying a house, getting married, buying a gun, picking up a prescription, and donating blood. And you need them to vote in Canada. I have a seriously hard time believing that a significant amount of people would not be able to get one. It just seems like a fabricated issue to me.
+Mitch Brown part of the reason this is an issue is the new rules for getting an id - i am over 50 and own my own home- taxes and all, yet i will have trouble renewing my dl due to new rules about papers like divorce papers that i have not seen since i was a teen. they have no problem with taking my money at all though all these decades.
+Mitch Brown Preach, this is a non-issue, someone is just trying to make a big stink.
+Jane Doe maybe you should have held onto those divorce papers then, its your own fault.
It is so easy to get a government ID in the US that when I hear people complain about this it simply boggles my mind.
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Maybe that's a state thing then.
Wait...I have to prove I'm a legal citizen if I want to vote?!? The horror!!!
This part is actually not hard since you have to give you ID number or Social Security number. They use one of the two to check if you're a legal citizens.
+David Galvin You prove who you are when you go to register to vote
+David Galvin Just because you can't imagine being disenfranchised by this doesn't mean anything. People who should and would legally vote won't if this requirement is added. That's not up for debate.
@@AMPvideoproductions The question is, how did they prove that when they first registered?
I think that when you're 18 and a citizen, you should automatically get an ID to be able to vote.
Most buy a driver's licence or state id card so they can do driving or almost all business. Some say poor can't afford them, but the poor make sure they all get them early, to take advantage of all the public services and welfare you must have an ID to get. 26 states currently have voter id, with drivers licence or state id or passport.
@@alfr1 There is also this thing called a social security card, it is a valid form of identification and citizenship and literally everyone has one that was born in this country.
Democrats want to vote more than once --- hundreds of times with phoney ballots of dead people or the old in homes or whatever. This is the way they do it in Cally and they have ended all competitive elections there. Its more than a one-party state now, its tyranny.
If voter ID is going to be required the government should also provide free and accessible ID.
+Parker Hetzel A photo ID is 55 dollars here in Washington state, and it can take up to three weeks of going in waiting to get served if the offices are packed non stop. In some states have dmv's that are only open as few as five days a month. Try having plenty of money to buy an ID but getting stuck eternally waiting with thousands of other hard working citizens just to have your damn driver's license renewed so you can legally get to work let alone vote. It's become pure madness, in the future its going to be called "going DMV" instead of "going postal".
Yes, everyone should have right to vote. I think the bigger problem is it adds another step to voting and making something more complicated (Yes even a little) is a great way to get people not to do things.
that's a good and reasonable point that I agree with.
+Parker Hetzel well, if ppl dont even have $11 then maybe theyd like someone in their government to help improve their situation, which they could, if they had that $11, oh wait...
Xstr3ngthz What good is having the money to pay if you can't get an appointment to renew anything in the first place. Fuck! I hate having to drive over 200 miles to a non overwhelmed DMV just to renew a driver's license in order to sign a new lease or buy legal weed let alone vote. It like your comment there is pure bullshit. You need serious psychiatric evaluation if you think people with all jobs and homes dont run low on cash after christmas or after buying a new car or house. Not that being homeless or having developmental disability makes anyone's opinion matter any less. Impudent hate filled ablest cretins like you are why decent human beings should vote in the first place.
Got a House of Cards ad before this.
same
+Nicholas McKee I got an invitation from a Nigerian Prince to invest in his business
+Nicholas McKee same
+Nicholas McKee
Same
And? The liberal agenda compares to Frank Underwood in what sense?
So according to Vox it is "NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE" to obtain a photo ID, which most people already have.
It's a lot of time that people would have to spend obtaining one, and a lot of paperwork, and if you don't need one other than to vote, you might start the process too late to register.
+Kiran V why would you not need ID? You need it to work etc. if you don't have ID and don't need one. Then you're sitting home all day. And it's not a lot of paperwork. The DMV will mail the paperwork to you and all you have to do is drop it off or mail it back.
If you know you need a photo ID to vote then why wouldn't you get one? except that you are ignorant therefore you shouldn't be voting.
max springfeild for some people it is. Get out of your white bubble
Really? Your gonna tell me that its NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to obtain a photo ID?Ritalin Popper
What's the problem? Simply apply for an ID ...
+Leon Campa I heard its actually quite hard to apply for one when you never had one in the first place. Like a very complicated process (maybe on purpose?).
+Leon Campa And pay a fee that a startling number of people don't actually have the money for. Homeless people, for example, have as much of a right to vote as anyone else, and they don't always have the wherewithal to procure an ID.
+katraylor Exactly. People don't seem able to put themselves in someone else's shoes. Some people who should be allowed to vote either don't drive, have access to public transportation, and or are in poor health Also most elderly are on tight budgets and fixed incomes. They don't have "extra" money to spend. They are already trying to decide on whether to get their prescriptions this month or whether to buy food 'cause they don't have enough money for both!
Guys you have to have an ID to drive, fly, take a train, leave the country, buy alcohol/tobacco, open a bank account, buy or rent real estate, purchase medication, and probably a whole host of other things. Why would any person over 18 not have an ID? And why would we not push for greater accessibility of identification rather than complaining about one more place you have to prove who you say you are.
Already an obligation in many Democratic countries.
+PyroMachinima That was my reaction as well, but it turns out that getting an ID in US can be *really hard*. Look up John Oliver’s Last Week Tonight episode on that issue. He gives an example of a state where institution issuing IDs is open once a month. In democratic countries getting an ID may take you a whole day of standing in queues but you will usually get it within say a month. In US, not so much.
+mina86 Took me 3 weeks to get a British ID, never the less you are required to have one on your person at all times. Fines are hefty in the UK if you're caught without one.
Yes the process may be a pain in the a** but you must have it anyways by law.
+Ryan McKinney A person over 18 may not have a government issued photo ID because they may not have the resources to get one. There are many reasons that people in these specific groups they mentioned may not have an ID. To start, the most commonly issued state ID that includes a photo throughout all of the US is a driver's license. From a bureaucratic standpoint, those would be the easiest IDs to obtain, but even obtaining one of those could be difficult if a person does not have the same privileges you and I enjoy. For one, a driver's license costs a lot of money. Not directly to the government, but indirectly in the process to acquiring one.
A person would have to first spend money on in-classroom driver's education, which is commonly $200-$300. There's also an opportunity cost to these classes. An adult with a full-time job, or a child in high school working part time to help support their family may not be able to get the time off to go and take these classes - about 14 hours of training crammed into just a few days. Not to mention that if they do not have a driver's license it may be difficult to actually get to where the classes are being held.
Then, they have to take the blue slip of paper they get for passing the classroom exam from the course to an assigned city or state government building to take the exam to get their driver's permit. Often times, you are required to take this exam during normal business hours, which would coincide with school if a person was in school or work if they were working full time. Often you are charged $10 to take the test.
Once someone overcomes the hurdle of successfully completing the driver's education exam, they are required to take behind the wheel training. These have to be taken through a driving school and also cost upwards of $100. They are also usually done during business hours. This is yet more time that a person would need to arrange to be out of school or work.
Then, even if they've finished all of their behind-the-wheel sessions, a person has to have another 30 hours of logged driving experience in various conditions (night, rainy, snowy, icy, etc.). This requires someone to either have a family car they can use, have a family friend's car they can use, or to rent a driver's education car for the day, which can also be economically prohibitive. This also requires someone to have an already licensed driver that can supervise their practice in the car. In many poor communities, very few people have driver's licenses because very few people can make it past this part of the process.
Finally, once you've finished all of your 30 hours of training, you need to make an appointment to take the test, again be out of work or school for at least a 1/2 day, have a car that you can take the test in (or again, rent a driver's ed car), and pay the $10 assessment fee. Even making the appointment would be difficult for anyone without a computer because often the only way to sign up for these testing slots is online.
So in total, this process just cost a person $320 (assuming that their class was $200, $10 permit fee, $100 behind the wheel, and $10 assessment fee). That's a lot of money for a person living paycheck to paycheck who does not own a car and never intends to use this ID to drive. It's also a lot of time thrown into tasks to receive an ID for which you will not be using it for it's main purpose.
Some states do offer state issued photo ID's that are not drivers licenses but they are very hard to find, many states don't offer them, and they actually have even more complicated steps to acquire one.
TL;DR: We can only require state issued ID's to vote, when everyone is issued a state photo ID by default and it does not cost any money.
+Ryan McKinney I have no Government issued ID , I have taken trains, I have bought alcohol/tobacco and prescription drugs, I have a bank account, and I rent a house, left my country and a whole list of other things. Having ID is helpful I imagine , but it is not a NEED like having food or water.
Having an ID ensures you are an American citizen or authorized to vote in another way. Saying that an ID is unaccessible is an extreme exaggeration.
+Granite *inaccessible
+MrC0MPUT3R Thanks
+Granite I know right? Anyone who says that they CAN'T carry SOME form of photo identification on them at all times is borderline retarded or homeless, but even then it's not that hard for homeless people to get identification either
+Granite So now the argument has gone from "we need to prevent voter fraud" to "photo ID isn't that hard to get so we should require it". What exactly is the point of requiring photo ID?
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I don't remember having to give anyone my social to get a state ID before I got my drivers license and I live in Michigan. All I believe I did was give them my basic info and pay for the card and boom. But then again if you can't keep track some form of government documentation of yourself like your social or birth certificate then I think you should start focusing your attention to sorting out your own problems and not politics
You can't drive a car, Buy alcohol, buy tobacco, go to a Casino without an id. So why should you vote without it
Because all of those things are privileges. Voting is a RIGHT.
@@lmd499 a right afforded ONLY to american citizens so there should be a way to prove that you are indeed eligible to vote
@@lmd499 pretty sure alcohol and tobacco aren’t privileges
@@lmd499 ummm what
@@lmd499 a right afford to American citizens.
Why can't all you Americans get voter id's?Every other democratic country has it. Actually I am surprised that US doesn't makes it mandatory to have Voter ID's.
It's the democrats who want the illegals to keep on committing voter fraud. It's kinda like how in the UK the labor party was making it easier for immigrants to come over because the overwhelming majority voted labor
That's what I thought, in India there is huge drive before every election to enroll new voters. Also you can use any other government ID as well.
+Sintendo100 they said in the video in the 8 years of Bush there were only 88 cases of fraud, this is a political ploy
+Alex Gris bull crap, everyone can get away with stuff, besides it doesn't even hurt anyone who is here legally. I've heard many stories of people who go out to vote for a relative who is dead, or illegals in very liberal states like California register to vote even though they aren't citizens, you know how, if they have a drivers license they can be registered to vote. So after that you still may not believe me. 1: you need an ID to drive, drink, basically do everything that you would do that requires being an adult, why not for voting, Europe has it and many liberals agree that Europe is one of the most civilized places in the world but want to comes a voter id, they completely ignore that part about Europe, and 2: I wouldn't be surprised if that information was false primarily because vox always white washes the info to lean liberal like Fox News but with their news leaning conservative. If you don't believe in voter id, you basically belive there shouldn't be rules. I mean srsly
Sintendo100 this isn't the first time I've heard that number either, a bunch of shows on MSNBC said it too
Most democratic countries require photo identification to vote. While I believe the reason behind these laws are nefarious, the laws themselves should be in place. One law I would like to see is a national holiday for Election Day. That would increase votes which in turn would give a more accurate representation of the people's choice as a whole. This too isn't a law for political reasons. Remember to vote :)
+Solid Rollin Ye, about that, Most democratic countries require those also make it mandetory to have a photo identification unlike the specail example, the US.
+Solid Rollin The problem is that in most democratic countries (like Germany where I lived for 10 plus years) the federal government requires you to have your federal ID for many things besides voting, so everyone has one.
The republicans are completely against any type of federal ID card because they want that control to be with the states. So while I do see the need for everyone to have an ID, I also see that the republicans are trying to take advantage of the situation with the current (stupid) state of identification in the USA and the voter ID laws they want.
+Peter John You have valid points. I don't argue that there are political agendas in play. Whether a law should be state or federal is an argument that's as old as this nation. I tend to side a with a state's right to form its own law until they become unconstitutional.
I don't see that a federal law requiring ID is necessary for required ID to vote. It's common sense to require ID for voting just like it is common sense to require ID to purchase a fire arm (another right).
While a detest the motivations behind some laws being passed, it doesn't take away the validity of them.
+Ben Graham In the US we receive a social security card and birth certificate. With these we can get ID's and passports. While I believe ID should be free, the cost is around 5 to 10 dollars.
+Solid Rollin if this really is a good idea and should be done then do it nationally. there are places in america where you do not need an id to live and there are people who have no use for an ID.
i will take Germanys healthcare system along with their ID laws please......
Wait you mean that in the US you can vote without an ID?
+twdziki Its because we have a long history of racists using lots and lots of ways to make it so minorities and the poor cannot vote. Voter IDs aren't a bad idea but the state governments do not make it simple or easy to get them. They are costly (to the poor) and require you to take time off work and/or hours and house to get. Worse, states often hide requirements, so you can show up to get your ID but the clerk will tell you you actually need a particular form, card or reference that you cannot reasonably just acquire right then and there, so you will have to come back at a later date with that information (which means more time off work and more time wasted).
+krim7 That's ridiculous! You can't just strip people of they're citizenship because they're poor! I know USA is a capitalist meritocracy but that's just... How do people get enrolled in school, or even get a library card without an ID?
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This is why people take a hard stance against voter ID laws in the US - because the laws are used as a cudgel to make it so the poor and minorities cannot vote.
It used to be you didn't need an ID to get a library card. I suppose people just don't get them any more (or, more likely, go to a library, read, then leave without checking books out).
For school registration, you only need:
The child’s original birth certificate
The child’s immunization record from a health care provider
A utility bill showing your name and address as proof of residence
+krim7 Free government photo IDs can be obtained for free (through a request made to state governments), this means that even the homeless can vote after these laws are passed in all 50 states.
Please explain to me what the rel problem is, I dont understand why this is a controversy instead of a blanket pass law across all 50 states.
Also, it sounds like SOMEONE is trying to make a stink by saying the 'poor and minorities', sounds racist of you, to immediately associate being a minority to being poor. Are you saying that rich minorities can vote while the poor ones cannot? Because if THATS what you meant then your previous statement is proven racism. Because if what I corrected is what you meant, then you should have not said 'minorities' and just simply said 'poor', but 'poor' was disproven by my earlier comment in this same post.
+krim7 I don't understand.. how do you guys verify the voter? How does the official verify the person voting is a citizen or not?
This is one of those moments, when Europe is puzzled by what's the big fuss about.
+postwage
The trouble is they also make it especially hard to get an ID.
I'm a Democrat but still had to dislike this video. This is just too biased.
I don't get it. Are they protesting the idea that a person has to present ID in order to vote? Isn't that how you know someone has voted?
+dmed and how you know someone hasnt voted more than once, also how you know if the ppl voting are old enough to vote and how you know if the US is actually the country they should be voting in (and not, say, about any other country in the world), i dont see why its a problem that they want to know who their voters are either, youre pretty much helping to choose the most powerful person in the world, a little bit of caution seems appropriate...
+WhiteWolfSK did you watch the video? This would be the most ineffective voter fraud method imaginable - people who actually wanted to manipulate the election are going to use a more effective method than waiting in line again and again (either travelling to a new location or hoping that they aren't seen re-voting)
+dmed But... we already have Voter ID laws in place. Every voter has to identify themselves. What we HAVEN'T been doing is making those ID requirements onerous. --It's also entirely obvious that existing ID laws are more than sufficient to deter meaningful in person voter fraud, given how few prosecutions there were under George W. Bush.
Put one more way--let's say new Voter ID laws would have deterred ALL 86 people who were prosecuted under Bush for voter fraud, but those new Voter ID laws additionally keep 1,000,000 people from voting. As a conservative who wants limited government, do I really want to make that dysfunctional tradeoff?
As a European I don't get it. How does voting without ID work? Do you just show up and claim to be Mr so and so and people believe you just like that? How do you prevent ppl to claim to be their own neighbors and steal their votes? eg if I know that my neighbors would vote for a party I hate - how would you keep me from claiming to be them and voting instead of them in the morning and then coming back as myself in the afternoon when there are new volunteers who won't recognize me?
Dual citizen here. Can't wait to move out.
Just get an ID, how hard can it be...
+Lord Metroid With people that work long hours or don't have the means to get to a DMV or other similar, it can be hard. On top of that many people work paycheck to paycheck and cannot afford the $25+ fee for issuance.
+Vince Taglia that's complete bullshit, anyone can pay the 25$ dollar fee, even people getting money from the government, and if they can't, they will get money from the gov. Then do it. and and if you can't take the time probably 45minutes-1:30 hour to get an ID, you don't have the time to vote anyway
+Sebas wait if they dont have time to get an ID then how do they have time to vote?
+Allie 5 Usually most businesses will allow employees leave in an election, id's on the other hand are little bit harder to get a manager or higher ups to convince. School is another big factor, I go to after school activities, and take multiple AP courses, even as a high school student I have little to no time, and its even worse for college students. I wouldn't be mad about the laws, only that is they still don't make the primary days or election day a paid holiday, and it doesn't really affect most higher class Americans, just lower class.
+They playin checkers, I been playing chess 4 years There's more than half a million homeless people in America, voting laws say "Americans can vote", not "Americans who have enough time and money can vote"
And of course those are both problems that only effect low-income Americans.
I'm a moderate Democrat. Please, stop with the excuses and just get an ID. You need identification to drive, to drink, to establish a bank account ... It seems implausible that an ID wouldn't be needed to vote. Our ancestors fought hard to establish a government voted on by the people. It shouldn't be equated to the over the counter purchase of a candy bar. Give it the dignity it deserves. If you are having a hard time getting an ID, ask friends, family, or neighbors. If they aren't able to help, contact your local political party headquarters. They will definitely find a way to help.
It seems like things have been going fine without ids for the past 250 years. Seems like a voter suppression tool to me that all the sudden voter fraud is a problem.
ID is one thing, photo ID is another. For people in lower income homes, a lot of those things you mentioned aren't things they do. Cars are too expensive for many people, bank accounts don't make sense for the fees you have to pay, and people lack the spendable money to go out and drink. Getting photo ID isn't something that is easily done, it takes a lot of time, which might either take someone over the due date to register to vote, or take time that they need to work long hours.
a lot of low-income families are on government assistance when sign up for government assistance they have to have an ID so it's likely that they already have it
if you don't care enough about voting to get a ID then how the hell would you care enough about an election to make an informed choice? Why don't Democrats complain about voter registration which is harder than simply getting an ID? maybe because Democrats wouldn't benefit from doing away with it? why would they go over the due date? They have a frickin year. 4 years in case of the Presidential election.
So many people who didn't actually watch the video, and immediately start's screaming "This is biased!" and "Vox is too liberal!". What is wrong with people? They simply describe reality in this video. If you think this is biased, maybe you are the one that is fucking biased, mate. "Biased", like come on, man. Then everything, except the content of your little bubble is biased, then. Spare me. Good luck in real life.
Oh, and for the rest of the world, this is a pretty "right - center" channel , but of course, the rest of the western world is just wrong, then, right? Spare me.
+Magnus Hedemann The assertion that this is a copy of the Jim Crow voting laws don't seem to be a reality to me.
No their biased. And near the end suggest the Republican Party were the ones who opposed African American voting. However, it was not just republicans but people from all sides.
+CitiHopper So that's your claim, but you're not actually rebutting any of the facts presented with material from credible sources.
+Jack Carter Really? Show me a few Democrats supporter Voter ID laws, please.
Okay. I've been democratic my whole life. But I don't understand the problem with requiring ID to vote. This video only makes me question why - apparently - so many democrats don't have ID.
You need an ID to drive, to buy alcohol, to fly, what's wrong with requesting ID to vote?
Did you watch the video?
+Duffy512pd You have a right to vote. You don't have a right to drive or fly a plane.
+Donny Alrightsilver This. All of this.
+Duffy512pd Because driving, buying alcohol, and flying are all extra privileges not guaranteed by the Constitution. Voting is a Constitutionally guaranteed right.
+katraylor we have the right to bear arms, you still need a license and an ID for that
I'm Hispanic living with low income and got my ID which cost me $45. Adults that don't have an ID that means they don't work that mean they don't pay taxes because I needed my ID when I was 18 to be able to work.
The problem isn't whether or not people should need IDs to vote.
The problem is that millions of Americans don't have IDs and the government isn't making it easier to obtain them.
I'd like to know why people cannot afford or won't get State/Goverment ID's?
+Josh G. (OtaconEmmerich) Free government photo IDs can be obtained for free (through a request made to state governments), this means that even the homeless can vote after these laws are passed in all 50 states.
I mean seriously, what is the real issue? I dont want to sound ignorant, but I simply do not understand what the problem is with this controversy. To me, it is classified as a 'non-issue'
+James Watson The fact that most people probably don't know that free photo I.D's can be obtained.
Marianne Johnson The fact that people will blatantly ignore the fact that free ones can be obtained just so they can keep arguing about this garbage
Cause they don't have enough money.
Some Person on the Internet THEY. ARE. FREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
While I oppose voter ID laws, I think we should make IDs more easy to get so these people still get a chance to vote.
This is also a good alternative...
+UnpredictableSB The exact opposite has happened.
+UnpredictableSB You mean in US you have to identify yourself before you vote in order to avoid fraud that allows people to vote multiple times under different names?
How can someone even argue against this? Baffling.
+kemita when you register to vote you have to prove who are through various measures including date of birth and driver's license number or social security number. This does not require having a government issued ID, but you are still proving who you are. When you register to vote you prove who you are, there should then be no need to do it a second time when you actually vote. In addition the forms of ID these laws require cost money which many lower income individuals simply can't afford. This is why people, myself included, believe these laws to be unnecessary obstacles for those who want access to voting, but cannot afford to pay for ID.
+UnpredictableSB Its honestly not that hard. Its an hour trip to the DMV and a $5-25 fee at the most. You don't need a driver's license just to get an ID card. You only need to know your information (which I hope you would know) and an address.
If you dont have an ID why the fuck would you want them to vote??
This voter ID thing is really confusing to me as a Canadian. Like here the government just mails you one for free. And if you lose it you can just request another online or pick one up at a government service center. Like America just do that.
You need an ID for almost everything. Why would voting be different?
+Nick Swiss you dont need an ID for everything..
+LostJomper I don't know for USA but in Croatia it is mandatory to have an ID for voting, buying alcohol, opening a bank account, anything with social well fare. Anything that needs to be singed requires an ID. And it is given to every citizen over 16.
mm3200 Yeah, we in Germany have one ID, our Personalausweis, and not 5 diffrent ones, thats unlogical
+mm3200 Thanks, tell it like it is. It's pretty much the same in the states.
Nick Swiss thats so unhandy tho
What a profoundly patronizing way to explain this complex issue to us simpletons.
Every single voter in Mexico has a voter ID, i really don't see the problem with it.
+jesus oct. Hillary NEEDS the illegals voting..the Democrats cant survive without them
+jesus oct. And the Mexican government is the epitome of honest and representative politics right?
My point is that, it's something so simple, that if a third world country can do it, why are americans raging about it?It's super simple to implement, here in mexico i did 10 minutes in line to get my ID, that's it, not a lot of paper work, and not a lot of waiting. This is something America can definitely do.
jesus oct. It was sarcasm, the Mexican politically system is unbelievably corrupt. IDs cost money, sometimes $50, and with half a million Americans homeless the poorest Americans are cut out of the voting process.
+jesus oct. And so people without IDs are precluded from being voters? In the US that's repeatedly been declared unconstitutional, and therefore illegal.
BUILD THE WALL......I.D's REQUIRED FOR VOTING.........EASY PEASY
This isn't biased. This is really what happened
You need an ID to drive. You need an ID to get a job. Why wouldn't you need one to vote?
+Seth Moore Because many people who should be allowed to vote don't work and don't drive.
+Seth Moore It's a license to drive not an ID (but often used as one). I could easily ride a bicycle to work as I could a car. Voting is a fundamental right outlined in the constitution that every citizen is entitled to. See the difference?
+Seth Moore I agree with the fact that people should be required to have an ID to vote. Nevertheless, the same government who passes these bills should improve or facilitate the process of getting such IDs.
+Brock Smith "I could easily ride a bicycle to work".. Of course, but you couldn't get the work without an id! I don't even think you can get a library card without an id. Voting is a constitutional right but you should be able to prove who you are. Owning a gun is a constitutional right but that doesn't stop democrats from implementing hoops for you to jump through to exercise your constitutional right.
***** So someone disabled, college students, unemployed, or the elderly shouldn't vote?
Wait, I don't get this. Doesn't every legal, proper citizen has a government issued ID? Or is USA different?
It's different in the US. Not everyone has a government issued ID because maybe they don't drive (driver's license) or travel by air (passport/passport card). It costs money to get a state photo ID. Many either don't have the money to get it or wait in the long lines.
Katie Yao Then what would those people do when the police wants to check their ID?
Liou David In some states, it is not required to carry ID so if the police asks you, you may ask them if are under arrest. If not, you're free to leave but if you're issued a summons/under arrest, they will detain you. You don't have to show them in some states. As you see, laws vary greatly across the US but in general, just be polite to the officer.
Katie Yao I see, thanks for the explanation. Just thought that it would be a no-brainer for the government to issue a free (paid-by-tax) ID for every legal citizen - at least once - if they lose it or damaged then they have to bare the cost of replacing it. Wouldn't it be easier for everyone?
@@shininggreentea you do know state IDs exist right?
Why not have a mandatory citizen ID????????
You can easily get a simple cheap ID at the DMV.
Is called a social security number
+Rick Fatscher The constitution doesn't require a person to have an ID to be considered a citizen and citizens get to vote. Pretty simple when you think about it.
@@yeahBradleyhey it’s pretty simple that voter fraud can and will occur when you don’t vet people.
How can you be a legal citizen and not have some form of government ID
The problem is not that you need an ID to vote. The real problem is the access to an ID. I'm from Canada and we need to show an ID for voting. The difference is that everybody here have an ID. You can use your passport, your driving permit, your health assurance card (which you have since you are born), your First Nation card, or anything else. In the US, there's not a single ID that is given to you. You need to pay for having one. And it's mostly the people who need the most to vote (minorities) that they can't pay for an ID.
+Olivier Blais-Turcotte It's honestly not that hard to get an ID in the US. It's not free and I would support a process where ever citizen gets a free state ID but the walls currently in place aren't that high. It's maybe an hour of your time and $5-25 fee depending on where you live.
+Atlas61 You are right about the fact that a $5-25 fee doesn't seem too much for us and probably for others too. But, for example, if you are homeless, it could be very difficult. The first thing that comes in mind is the fact that you don't have the money to buy an ID. But, you also need an address which you can be registered with and one for receiving it. They won't register you if say you live under a bench. We cannot forget that you also need a way for transporting yourself at the centre of registration. It's true, an ID is probably not expensive, if you don't look at all the other cost that comes with it.
Have you been to America?
How the hell does someone not have a basic ID?
Homeless, maybe mentally ill, maybe too poor to afford, or can't obtain one.
Jochem van Oosten Different states offer different programs. ID NYC is a completely free certified ID..
+Jochem van Oosten You need a permanent address on your voter registration to get registered to vote in the first place so it's kind of hard to vote if you're homeless even if you have ID.
+Granite Look, vox made the problem look simple.
Heres the problem, The US unlike most other countries does not make it mandetory to have a form of ID. Some states have aesy acces to ID some make it hard on purpose to keep minorities from voting.
Anthony Veel It is mandatory to have an ID to gain employment on the books, get married, make contracts and do business. People that don't get ID's is because they can't they are ILLEGAL.
How do so many people not have IDs? How do they go to the bar?
I am a foreigner staying in the US. I can't understand how come you can vote without having an ID here. If black don't have ID, then go and get the ID themselves. Why are you blaming the law? I don't care how small the chance of fraud happened in the past but you must prevent it from happening by requiring ID for voting. We have a proverb in our country "don't wait until losing your cow to build the fence". If black get ID and vote for the Democrat, who cares? As long as they obey the law of the land.
Wow, this is so weird. In Russia you receive a passport when you're 14 yo, and NOT having a passport is illegal, there are fines for not getting it in time. And like you have to have your ID for literally anything from getting a train ticket to getting married. So this concept, that requring an ID in order to vote is somehow "not right" is beyond me.
+slow disaster It is same here in Croatia. Everybody above 16 years old has to have an ID.
Why wouldn't you have an ID?
because it is a lot of extra paperwork to get one, and a lot of time that people don't know they have to spend
so why do you get to void my vote because of your ignorance?
For one thing you have to pay for an ID most of the time
most voter ID laws include a way for people to get ID for free but Democrats still opposed them.
the people thst can't get ID's are people who don't have the ability to take of from work and can't afford to. have you tried getting an ID recently? it takes hours of waiting in line. the reason Republicans support these laws are because they know that those people who can't get ID's are usually democrats.
Please change the channel name to Vox PC
I don't understand. How can you be an adult and not have an ID? How do you apply for a loan, pick up a transcript, drive, etc. without an ID?
+laserwolf65 None of those things you listed are rights, and if you are raised and born into a state of poverty that you could not even imagine, many times a $35 driver's license with a permit test fee, *plus* driving school fee to get a driver's license is less important than feeding your many children and paying your rent etc. There are countless roadblocks to obtaining it when you are so poor that you basically can't even keep a roof over your head; and a person, like the countless ones I just described, has to have the right to elect someone into office or a place of power in hopes that the person they elect will help them get out of their s**t hole situation that they very well may have had almost no control over and no say in from their time of birth. That's how.
+Lip22Gloss you need Id to rent:buy a home
+Lip22Gloss So you are telling me that in the US the only form of ID is a driver's licence?
+pots839100 Nope. I got a regular non-driving id for 5 bucks here in California. Then again Im a legal citizen, so Im sure theres alotta people who are having trouble getting one.
***** My wife has a non driver's ID for $18. And that still doesn't explain how you even apply for these services without ID in the first place. Like, how do you even apply for a lease without an ID? My wife and I just signed one and they required photo ID.
I like how no one got what the video presented
every other country has voter ID laws! Europe has voter ID laws.
research into voter fraud is not well looked into.
+East South The point is that there isn't a problem with voter fraud! There were only 65 voter frauds in 5 years.
***** is that a fact? 65 voter fraud in 5 years? looks like something doesn't add up.
from what im reading its technically crap. cause "its very difficult to prove voter fraud". that's why only 65 voter fraud in 5 years the statistics show only those who have been convicted and not accused. many cases are let go and not included in the statistic.
+East South You hit the nail on the head with, " looks like something doesn't add up" The reason they say it's difficult to prove is because they haven't been able to prove it's a problem.
***** you missed the point
the nail their being that no one is truly willing to investigate the problem. and from what i'm reading its for political partisan reasons.
from I have read through the incidents cant affect political outcome.
but the outcome is besides the point. the point their being that it has to be done correctly.
another stupid argument is that millions of people cant vote if an ID is required. then help millions of people get an ID.
these insane notions are just begging for illegal voting. oxy moron being "were Americans and you'll just have to take our word for it!".
again every other country requires an ID, just cant take you word for it.
If you're an adult, you need to have a government issued photo i.d.
wtf even is this video?
To clarify, A voter ID card is ANY state issued ID: passport, licenses, state issued ID, etc. They are same identification cards to travel on plane, buy alcohol, own a car, own a home, have blue or white collar job, have a bank account, etc.
what's wrong with that? all you need is a driver's license or passport. the real problem is that america needs an id just for turning 18. so once you're 18 you go to city hall and they give you your government issued id for like 5 dollars all you need is a birth certificate boom problem solved.
Don't you need a drivers license to buy liquor or drive?
Yes.
Liquor and driving are not constitutional rights tho
+Jose Cano buying a firearm in America is a constitutional right, but you still need ID for that.
teamSAF bmx exactly... and i know your being sarcastic, but a basic comprehension test would go a long way when your voting for the future "leader of the free world."
James M I'd agree with a basic comprehention test rather than an age restriction, as long as the process for creating that test is solid (for example, make at least 2/3 of congress aprove the test). I disagree with your use of 'the leader of the free world'. Both because that implies the USA is the only free country in the world and because a truely free world shouldn't have a leader.
Dear Vox:
Please stop using the slight "tapping" to express movement in your stop-motion. The sanity that I may barely have left would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks for your time,
one random person of the billions that exist in the world
In North Carolina, banks explicitly bend the rules for ID requirements when cashing checks. In minority-heavy and impoverished areas, they allow people to use their Social Security card, eliminating one of the major reasons for people without cars to get a photo ID. Then when elections roll around, these people are far less likely to have the requisite ID to vote.
This kind of corporate and government behavior should be illegal.
isnt it just common sense, I mean its mandatory in Malaysia. its just to make sure no fraud is not committed. its not discriminatory. its excuse to not get. i mean is it really that hard to get one in malaysia
+peach cobbler They're difficult to obtain, and poorer americans don't have passports or drivers license, and there's no precedent for voter fraud
+Not That Harrison is voter id for americans the same as national ids like ours where everyone really just a single identification card for everything like voting and it is natuonal and is free for first time even those in villages has id which is weird for americans
Nope. You have to have some form of ID obtained for a specific reason like a passport for travel, driving etc.
+Not That Harrison In the Netherlands everyone over 14 must have a valid ID with them, so this wouldn't be a problem.
Where that is the policy this isn't a problem, the issue is that republicans are deliberately implementing this purely to win votes, rather than to tackle any credible threat to voting.
This channel is so damn liberal now, what the hell is wrong with presenting an ID to vote?
You need to actually watch the video to find out.
+Kyle Griffin It becomes a problem when one does not have one, and one can not easily obtain one. Kinda like the old literacy tests where whites were grandfathered but blacks had to pass to vote. For people in system already it is trivial. For people outside of it, a barrier.
+neeneko you're comparing literacy tests to obtaining an ID two completely different scenarios. if you don't have an ID or drivers license in this country today, then you probably aren't qualified to determine who you think should be our next president. I did watch the whole video and the statistic and old videos clips of politicians are heavily skewed in one direction.
+Benbot I did but thank you anyways
+Xstr3ngthz this is completely uneducated and ridiculous
If a person is not responsible enough to have an ID, why do we think they will be responsible enough to vote? What is keeping them from getting an ID? Is DMV discriminating?
But... is it not mandatory to have an ID in the US? That's just weird. In the Netherlands you have to be able to show an ID at all times.
No
Ohh wow, thanks for the info! And those laws are indeed really stupid.
I believe there should be some form of voter ID. I shouldn't be able to go to the polls and vote as my dead grandpa 3 times, and as my uncle who doesn't exist twice. However, what the Republicans are doing is wrong and they are assholes for doing what they are doing.
I'm sorry, but this is a must. Most countries require positive ID to vote. In our country laws are set to change to require both ID and proof of residence. This is because a certain small municipality was recently set to lose to the opposition party in a municipal election. They ended up secretly driving bus loads of party loyal registered voters to place their vote in that town...
I worked at the polls in Michigan and we have the voter id laws. You can still vote without an id, you just have to sign an affidavit on the back of this sheet of paper. A lot of people just don't know that.
Asking for an ID to vote is an answer to something that isn't a problem. Instead of encompassing everyone's ability to vote, people want to strip them of their ability to do so by demanding an ID. There have been no cases of rampant voter ID fraud, there never will be.
If the system works, has almost no problems, why would you ever require a fix?
Terribly biased video. A news media company shouldn't use "republican" as a dirty word. This issue has complexity and creating an introduction to it that doesn't seriously deal with both sides is hurtful to all sides.
+aalllxx Did you watch the video? Its the republicans and the republicans only that are making and passing these laws
teamSAF bmx LOL so you have no comeback because i wrote he instead of it? LOL you must be a republican because you don't like facts
in other words the system is corrupt and doesn't doesn't work, .... o gee who would've thought.....welcome to America folks. we need Sanders to take a stand here.... Sanders 2016
Bernie is a fucking socialist
in other words he's a COMMUNIST !!!!
I am split.
On one hand, its really stupid to have no ID.
But on the other, why is it needed.
+The Artist formerly known as Al-Mansura Abbassid to know who the fuck you are????
Justin Koenig you have a ballot
The Artist formerly known as Al-Mansura Abbassid eh i think it's stupid. ID should be mandatory as it is pretty much everywhere and then you don't get a ballot but your id is the entry ticket to a ballot
Justin Koenig yeah, i don't get why they don't have it. But still, they cant just take away their right to vote just because of their stupidity. (though personally I believe they should be stripped of voting rights, same with people with little education)
Why not make it easier to get an ID if it's such a problem?
Look up new mexicos I'd laws lol illegal immigrants will take advantage
it's extremely easy, people are just too damn lazy
those arnt even Legos :{
Finally, a non-political comment that both sides can agree on.
Voter ID is the best way to prevent voter frauds !! Every countries around the world require Voter ID to make sure the election is fair !!
"Nearly Impossible" come on Vox. This is so biased. Getting an ID is like the easiest thing ever. You need it to do so many things anyway requiring it to vote make only makes sense.
It's awesone Heya,# degree super What's your opinion about lt 1!
There should also be a basic intelligence test. Anyone who goes to vote is given a square peg, and a board with two holes. One square hole, and one round hole. If they can't figure out which hole the peg goes in, they're too stupid to vote.
then no one in America will be able to vote
OHHHH THE US JUST GOT REKED
#CANADA'SHAT #BURNED
it's just gonna be us minorities voting even though half of us don't have citizenships lmao
Would suck if you were an amputee.
you made my day
Is every RUclips channel completely liberal?
+Tannerp24 Only the technologically educated are able to run a successful youtube channel.
It does disappoint me that vox has a very pronounced bias. Good news organizations should be as unbiased as possible but that doesn't happen with modern "blogger news"
+Tannerp24 Vox doesn't hide it dude. Look at 90% of most hip and cool internet news sites. They jack off to this shit
+Tannerp24 Check out PragerU, it won´t get even more conservative/reactionary.
The Hunt for Red Prussia I just don't get why people purposely look for news that fits their biases. Just because you agree with it doesn't make it right. Find news that is just reporting and not analysis. News that isn't biased. Vox and PragerU are horrible places to get news due to the biases both have. The only video I really liked from vox was the one they recently did about guns. Lots of stats and sources cited and well thought out video.
This logic is very unsettling, take the example of rape cases, if an area has small number of cases you still take actions to prevent their increase and try to eradicate this problem altogether. Most democratic nations across the world require a mandatory voter id, its a basic photo identification.
Please try to understand that this video is not biased, it's incomplete. The real issue with legislation that requires a government-issued ID is that in these states, in minority neighborhoods, it is unconstitutionally hard to get a voter ID. John Oliver made a video about this issue where the office is open for about 4 hours on every 5th Wednesday of the month. In 2016 there are 3 months: March, June and August before the election. So 12 hours in a year for millions of minority voters to get their ID. Also, most of the people cannot afford to take time off work to go and get a voter ID because the government officials will raise sometimes illegitimate objections and make the residents come multiple times to get a voter ID. It is not the law that is an issue, it is how the access to an ID is restricted by the same states and how the party targets areas with minority voters to enact these restrictions.
+Aditya Goyal Exact-fucking-ly.
I used to love Vox. But lately I feel it has become extremely biased. Also, this lego format sucks...
+Gabriel Lobl there's only facts here, not sure where you're getting the bias from...?
Aaron Smith biased toward what? it's portraying facts, not slander
Vox, go back to talking about bad doors. I'm tired of your biased shit.
a not-American here. How do you vote in the US then? it's common to show your ID when voting in many countries. I'm presuming that only American citizens can vote, so how should they know you're not foreign?
social security number
+RuggedALAN Okay, thanks, that's fair. But really, be honest please, wouldn't an ID atleast prevent fraud even more than just a social security number?
They dont have citizenship IDs, so they use driver's licenses, passports, etc.
+andrelm3 well, I interpreted citizenship ID as a number that's just written on your passport. That's why I'm a bit confused by this discussion. I have no clue what my social security number is, I would just hand my passport over to a civil servant who checks the number on it and my photo
+RuggedALAN and how do you prove you are the person linked to that Social Security Number??
Other country's have voter ID laws as well as signature verification. And they have no issues with it.
If having to pay to renew (or even just get one) your ID is an issue, then demand to make them free. No "poll tax" if renewing or getting one is free. If having to get to a DMV is an issue. Then advocate to have ID/renewal centers placed in libraries 3 weeks before and during elections.
Still not enough? Then argue to be able to do renewals online as well.
TRUMP 2016
END POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
your the reason why we need free tuition
+Mark Avalos You know Trump is winning the college educated vote for Republicans? He is winning every Republican demographic and bringing in Democrats. Plus college in the 21st century is just an elaborate daycare for adults. Between safezones, microgressions, SJWs, and feminism, good luck learning anything from mandatory liberal art classes that are a huge waste of time.
+Mark Avalos LMAO, NO THANKS
LIBERAL, I WORK FOR MY MONEY
+Tommy M Interesting. Yet, you support a man who gets a "small loan of a million dollars"? Are you sure you know the person you are voting for? It sounds to me that you and Donald trump, a man who can simply ask for money and receive it, have conflicting interests
+James Love please tell me where did you get your information from cause it's inaccurate and there's nothing wrong with the liberal arts? all majors contribute something to the world. By the way liberal arts classes aren't mandatory for most university.
Okay the stop-motion lego people are cute, but explain to me how you can tell if someone has the right to vote or not without ID? Or that they haven't voted more than once in the same election. I am neither Democrat nor Republican. But I just don't understand the logic in allowing for someone to walk up to a polling station and cast a vote with no record that he or she voted. Please explain.
Sooo... is it also racist to require ID to buy alcohol? Or to verify who I am at my bank? This is just stupid. Anything that matters should require ID. It's not rocket science. It's smart, safe, and extremely practical.
I like the idea of requiring an ID to vote, it just makes sense. What vox failed to mention is that the states that made these laws also made in very hard to get an ID and in some cases made it so that the only centers where you can get one are away from minority communities.
are drivers license considered government issue?
Here are some facts:
-Odds of being a terrorism victim in a flight: one in 10,408,947 (gizmodo.com)
-Odds of being killed (not just struck) by lightening: 1 in 500,000
-Every person boarding a plane has to present an ID.
but you have to have ID to register to vote. So how does any ID requirement disenfranchise when voting but not when registering to vote?
I don't get it, I had to show my drivers license when I voted. How else can you vote? You need to be registered to vote and have a voters registration card but it is all stored on the license.
Free government photo IDs can be obtained for free (through a request made to state governments), this means that even the homeless can vote after these laws are passed in all 50 states.
You realize the laws changed because our entire world changed.
Back then you could deny certain groups the vote because those certain groups could be denied ids. Now the only way you can be denied an ID realistically is if you aren't actually a citizen meaning literally the ONLY THING this law is doing is preventing people too lazy to get an ID from voting even though they didn't plan on it anyways, and preventing illegal immigrants from voting. These laws are a good and much needed change.
In Germany you have to show your ID to vote. How do you prevent people voting multiple times if they don't show ID?
ID in voting seems fair, most countries have it. But the difficulty in obtaining IDs is appaling. What common sense when you don't even have the common sense to make them available.
the problem is people thinking you can just go and get yourself an id. its not a simple process and required a lot of unecessary bullshit some people just cant go through
+Florriela how cant they go through it? Do they get triggered when they see the male or female question. WHAT ABOUT SQUIDSEXUALS!!!!!!
I remember watching this when John Oliver talked about this.
Wait, aren't driver licenses valid photo ids? Most voting places are in libraries and schools. Except for the few people who live in the same neighborhood as a school, wouldn't you drive to vote?
while their motive seems wrong I don't think this is an extremely restricted law pretty much every person over 18 will need a photo ID eventually and if someone wants to vote they should look up what exactly are the steps they need to take before election day and find out what they need to do to take those steps.
what kind of debate is this? literally all other countries where you can vote require some kind of identification.
The question here is: how cone so few people have a photo ID?
In a lot of European countries, everyone over the age of 18 has a photo ID (and some have a drivers license or a passport added to that).
That's funny. In Brazil, although we being obligated to vote with the risk of losing a lot of rights if not, we have to go to a special "electoral region" to get an "elector title" which is one more of many many different mandatory documents we have to get during our life. And guess what? It's mandatory to have it but not to take it with you to vote. In fact, it only has legitimacy together with some officially issued photo document.
Can we acknowledge the fact that a state issued ID costs about $10? You also need a photo ID to purchase alcohol, cigarettes, to drive a car, to open a bank account, to purchase a house, etc. You might as well have to prove yourself when electing the leader of your country. In my opinion, it is racist to assume that minorities have a more difficult time getting an ID. Everyone has an equal opportunity to get an ID as well as vote. If you are making excuses as to why you can't get an ID or how it is so discriminatory, then most likely you either shouldn't be voting or committing a voter fraud yourself. the reason why voter fraud hasn't been proven is because it is almost impossible to track based on our secret ballots. All in all, if you are an eligible voter, you most likely have an ID, so please, stop making excuses, and get out there and vote.