I am an attorney by profession and the bulk of my job is research. I spent most of the pandemic researching medical journals, governmental agency documents (FDA/CDC/NIH), and business practices. I preface this because I am naturally skeptical and have reason to question most organizations so I understand your suspicions. However, after doing my research, I trust Olive Tree People (OTP) for its transparency after everything I've come to learn about it. Before I started using the products, I had a myriad of questions. As there is a lot of misinformation in this video, I will try to summarize with countering facts; 1) OTP products are sourced and formulated in the EU and have been in the European market for nearly 20 years - so, it's not a new company but only new to the US market and therefore has been vetted for almost 2 decades with a good track record, 2) Unlike the US/FDA, the EU bans 4800 toxic ingredients it won't allow in skincare and the EU safety standards are so stringent for testing before allowing a product to market it's a wonder any company gets to market, 3) The term "waterless" means the company doesn't add water to the ingredients so the water listed on the INCI (International Nomenclature of Cosmetic Ingredients) is a natural byproduct of the extracts/ingredients used and is required to be listed once a EU inspector/expert tests the products for its contents. Further, the ingredients on the INCI are ordered according to their proportion (from highest to lowest), although those ingredients with a proportion lower than 1% may be mentioned without a particular order. Thus, there is a greater amount of the first ingredient than the last ones (for instance, the first ingredient may constitute 70% of the formula while the second may be only 10%), 4) OTP trees are CAAE certified and therefore organic (us.olivetreepeople.com/pages/company). The Certified Agriculture Education Association (CAAE) is accredited by the USDA's National Organic Program (NOP). This means that CAAE has met the necessary standards and requirements to certify organic agricultural products according to the guidelines set by the NOP. This accreditation signifies that the CAAE is authorized to certify organic products as meeting the USDA's organic standards. You mentioned if it was "organic," the product would be listed as such but that is not required on an EU product that has met NOP standards, 5) As for pesticides and chemicals, the Mayor of the town where the olive tree farm that produces OTP's products exists certified that the farm is in a protected natural park where not a single chemical has been sprayed or fed to these trees for over 60 years. 6) There are three main types of testing for cosmetic products in the EU and it is very time consuming - the basic tests are; a) Stability and Compatibility tests, b) Challenge test (Preservative Efficacy Test, abbreviated PET), and c) Microbiological Quality Analysis, 7) 80% of OTP products don't use preservatives as olive tree leaf extract itself has antimicrobial properties. When alcohol is used in 20% of the products, it's listed as "Alcohol Denat" and is an organic denatured alcohol from fermented sugar that is used in small amounts as a preservative, 8) Even the citric acid in OTP products comes from dehydrated citrus which is nearly unheard of in our time as most skincare (and food products) uses citric acid sources from the black mold of fermented fruits or vegetables. I have more detailed information as the company has been very transparent in all my dealings with it. If you have questions, I'm happy to share what I know. On a personal note, I have chemical sensitivities and semi-sensitive skin. I've used just about every non-toxic/organic skincare brand out there and while some have been okay, nothing impressed me. OTP's products have shown real results and changes to my aging skin after a short amount of time (so much so that although I have my own law practice, I became a consultant on the side just to get a discount on products and share with family/friends). So, there is absolutely something to the science and ingredients. I don't know a single person who uses the products and has been unhappy with them. As they have a generous 1 year return policy on used products, there isn't much to lose. So, while research is crucial, the proof is in the pudding and OTP is good pudding!
@@melanier4205 glad to hear your background and experience. It’s still greenwashing. Waterless means without water. Regardless of where the water comes from- it’s H2O. Water. It doesn’t matter if it’s added water or from an extract. Its water and water dehydrates the skin. Most of their products have water listed as the second or third ingredient while others list it toward the end. If water is extracted from the leaf, the quantity would be the same. As for organic- that’s really fabulous about the trees and I’m sure they are grown without chemicals- but that’s ONE ingredient. What about the other 10, 15, 20 ingredients??? They are not listed as organic! Most are synthetic or processed from plant which removes many of the nutritional value. I don’t care how long they have been in business. L’Oréal has been in business for 110 years. That doesn’t mean I should trust them. Glad you are getting results from their products. As long as you are ok with the greenwashing, keep using them. I’m not ok with it.
@@melanier4205 you clearly don’t understand what water does to the skin. It will dehydrate the skin in the long-term which will increase toxic build up in the skin tissue and cells. This will lead to loss of collagen and elastin and frail, thin and saggy skin. Sure, it will initially make improve your skin, especially after using chemical laden skincare but long term, it will accelerate aging. I have been doing this for 16 years. Water from any source doesn’t belong in a product meant to hydrate the skin. Period.
@@melanier4205 Again, water is water and it doesn't matter where the water comes from. It's still water. And the term "waterless" is defined as "devoid of water". You cannot call something waterless that contains water no matter what the source is. I never trust a company that is greenwashing their marketing. You never know what else they are green washing. The "organic" statement does not specify it is just the olive tree that is organic. Again - when making a general and broad claim, you should have the evidence to back it up... and their ingredient list does not back up any of what they are claiming. You as an attorney should know this. If what they really mean is "less water" then that is what they should have on their marketing. As of now, thousands of "consultants" are promoting this to consumers as "waterless" and what do you think the consumer thinks "waterless" means? For sure, they are not thinking "oh, it has less water in it than conventional products". What they think is "it doesn't contain water". Sorry- that's the definitions of a scam.
@@RealTrinaFelber OTP produces their products in small batches every 3 months as they lack synthetic preservatives. They are transparent about the sourcing for each. It would be responsible of you to ask them for the documents before making false statements or assertions in a public space. It's easy to make false accusations without doing the legwork to investigate your theories (which is what your assertions are until proven otherwise). If your purpose in this video is to educate those that know less than you about the industry, then I would encourage you to do your due diligence as half baked theories are not helpful. Most of the concerns you raise are null & void because of the EU standards put on OTP which you seem to continue ignoring. The US only requires ingredients be listed a particular way because it is essentially a free-for-all as to what can be used in a product whereas in the EU, toxic ingredients are banned at the outset so the remaining ingredients are presumed safe (and then followed up with extensive testing). The one ingredient you speak of being certified organic (olive tree leaf extract) is the primary ingredient in the products and makes up the majority of the product. I imagine you understand that water is in plants. When pressing the olive leaf to get the hydroxytyrosol extract, water will naturally be part of its makeup and the EU requires that water content from the leaf extract be disclosed. The only way to avoid this would be to dehydrate the extract by removing the water which would require further processing that may damage the bioactive ingredients. Adding water to a product is far different than water that is naturally occurring from a compound, similar to how adding sugar to food is far different than the naturally occurring sugar is in fruit, for example. The whole is different than the sum of its parts. Making claims that water is dehydrating to the skin is misleading unless you specify whether the water is isolated or part of humectants, emollients, and nutrients, acting as a hydrating vehicle. And you cannot compare a company like Loreal which doesn't claim to be a non-toxic/organic brand (though it may have particular products it deems organic) to a non-toxic brand like OTP - they are apples and oranges. There is a lot more legal scrutiny put on a company when it makes claims to be a non-toxic and organic brand entirely when those claims are false than a conventional brand that does not and would not make such claims, especially in the US. So, 20 years without public litigation is nothing to bat an eye about. You assert people are probably seeing results because they have switched from chemical laden products to OTP. For me personally, I haven't used chemically laden products since I was a teenager. So I've had 25+ years of trying out non-toxic products and my most transformative results have been from OTP hands down. If that changes, I won't be shy about it. Before using these products, my skin was showing its age more in the last year than ever before and now my skin looks better than it did 5 years ago.
@@RealTrinaFelber Legally a skincare company can generally call its product "waterless" if there's no added water, even if some ingredients naturally contain water. Here's why: 1) common practice: for example, many plant-based ingredients like aloe vera or glycerin naturally contain water, but this is inherent to their structure and not considered "water" even though water is a natural component, 2) marketing: the emphasis in "waterless" skincare is often on avoiding the potential drawbacks of using water as a base ingredient which reduces efficacy as water can dilute active ingredients and require preservatives to prevent bacterial growth, 3) transparency: while using the term "waterless," reputable brands will be transparent about the natural water content of their ingredients by listing it in the product descriptions to avoid misleading consumers. 4) education: brands that educate their consumers about what they claim is or is not in their products fare much better in building trust. OTP does a good job of this. I also want to mention that there are subtle nuances to languages and their translations, so the term "waterless" and its meaning may not be the exact translation from German but may be the closest translation to English. That is another consideration. If you have an issue with the term "waterless" and think it's misleading given the above, you should consider lobbying to change the laws that allow the term. OTP welcomes feedback as well! It's much easier to criticize than to investigate, research, and have conversations with the company you're criticizing.
Trina, there were many Beauty Counter consultants coming over to Oliveda prior to their company closing because they found cleaner products with Oliveda which also produced more effective results.
Oliveda is not really "cleaner" in my opinion. Part of the problem with an MLM (which both Beauty Counter and Oliveda are) is that consultants are driven by money not necessarily finding "safe" products. I exposed Beauty Counter's lies for years... all the while the consultants would adamantly defend the Beauty Counter and scold me for picking on them. Funny how once the Beauty Counter closed, many of the so-called health conscious consultants state "Beauty Counter wasn't really clean anyway" and jumped on the Oliveda MLM bandwagon. If it looks like a scam, sounds like a scam and smells like a scam... its a scam. Oliveda is not "waterless" they use "less water". Thats a disturbing marketing tactic. They are not "organic" and they do use synthetic ingredients. "=Fragrance" is listed on their "fragrance free" products. Too many lies but they pay great money to their consultants.
@@RealTrinaFelber everyone needs an income, so many businesses are driven by money. Many that don't care about health but only making money. I know your company was founded to help people. So was Oliveda. If you want to take the time to learn Thomas's story, he was driven to create products from the olive tree (olive oil healed his debilitating health condition) after learning about the power of the elixir created by crushing the leaves which is way more potent than the oil. He wants to bring the healing power of the olive tree to all who are struggling like he was. It spilled over into skin care so not only healing from the inside out with the internals but also from the outside in with the topicals. I made some other comments (at the same time I made the above comment) and explained about fragrance as well as waterless. The olive groves have not been touched by chemicals / pesticides. I don't care about paying for 'certified organic' - Bill Gates poisons blow over into organic fields all over America. There are only a few of Oliveda's products that needed a preservative added - the potassium sorbate is plant derived and not synthetic like most companies use. Oliveda does not look, smell, or sound like a scam. It is improving people's health, skin, and lives. The results speak for themselves.
@@RealTrinaFelber Their fragrances are not the same as american synthetic fragrance. The EU standards are way more stringent. I've done a deep dive into the research, too, and the whole fragrance thing for me was eye opening. I've been fragrance free and chasing down actually clean products for the last 5 years. I'm usully the type to say "absolutely no" to "fragrance" listed, but it's not the same for Oliveda. You need to use a difference framework when reviewing EU brands.
Oliveda's trees are CAAE certified (this info is on our website). The Certified Agriculture Education Association (CAAE) is accredited by the USDA's National Organic Program (NOP). This means that CAAE has met the necessary standards and requirements to certify organic agricultural products according to the guidelines set by the NOP. This accreditation signifies that the CAAE is authorized to certify organic products as meeting the USDA's organic standards.
They don’t extract hydroxytyrosol from olive oil. It’s a by product of oleuropein present in olive leaves predominantly than olive fruit. Olive leaf extract has much more concentration of antioxidants than olives. If you’re gonna trash them, at least be more informed.
They are claiming to be "waterless" yet have water in their ingredient list. They also claim to be "organic" yet there is not one single organic ingredient listed. They also claim to be "fragrance free" yet list fragrance as an ingredient. How you extract hyrdroxytyrosol is not the problem.
@@RealTrinaFelber I would love for you to reach out to them and see what they have to say about this your claims. :) I can see why they would say that based on the majority of their products not listing water first. I had also stopped buying products that had any water listed first. I think it's so tough that the FDA here will pass anything and that the ingredient list can be confusing because I do agree that some can mask what's toxic vs some that use the same name of an ingredient and it's not harmful. I've called ingestible supplement company's before to find out what natural flavors or fragrance free to clarify what that meant to find out if it's not toxic at all. I would let it get to me at times too and I learned to pick and choose my battles. For me it's not necessarily the marketing part that's as a concern (because these days everyone's doing something to get a bite, even as I type this, it is helpful for your channel!) as it is more of where it was sourced and how it was processed. I always read the label as I've seen many companies list what they claim on their marketing but it doesn't always mean that all their products are such (that's been likely happening since media was birthed!). So it's not always ideal but like everything it takes time to be educated for more choice in the matter. After doing some research, it does look like some of their products are fragrance free, waterless and organic. It's cool to hear that it comes from their own source of olive trees and their consultants have been able to visit the physical location. I realized if it's plastered on a website that "all our products are certified organic!" we can trust as such but even then you wonder is it really or did they just buy the certification? These days in the US it's tough the bubble we're in, I may trust a european brand like a french or german company that has higher standards of approval than US. Thank you! You've inspired me to actually look deeper into this company. lol
@@Savant-p3u There are some great companies creating amazing water-free skincare. The key is "water free" because water dehydrates the skin and it's also contaminated with drug waste and heavy metals. This is my mission- to clean up the beauty industry through educating the consumer because brands will always greenwash their messaging.
@@RealTrinaFelber many things to inform you but let me start with fragrance - these are made in Germany so European standards - much different than FDA - fragrances used are only essential oils, if you look at what the EU Standards are companies must submit what they are using for fragrance (EU bans over 4,000 ingredients - the FDA only 33!) and even those essential oils have percentage limits. I've always loved your products and company being a fellow Ohioan but I'm sad you're making claims you haven't fully investigated.
That is not where the water is coming from. There is water in ALL plants. You don't see "water" listed in oils or essential oils. They add water to the product. Period.
@@RealTrinaFelber Actually, @abigailuselton is correct. The water listed comes from the plant extract. It is not isolated water. The EU experts that test the product test the formula and are required to list water separately when it comes from an extract. Also, pure essential oils don't contain water as they are hydrophobic so I'm not sure why you used that as an example....
@@melanier4205 I understand it comes from the plant- but is is still WATER so the product that contains it cannot be marketed as "waterless". Less water, yes, but not "waterless". Essentials oils come from plants as well- and you don't see water listed on the ingredient list- even in extracts.
@@RealTrinaFelber actually, legally/ethically it can be marketed that way which is why it is. Water is a byproduct of the extract which the EU requires be listed as a standalone ingredient even though it was derived from the extract. Just because you don't see water listed in aloe vera gel doesn't mean it isn't present in the gel but a company could consider it "waterless" and meet legal/ethical standards. In this case OTP is being especially transparent as it is informing what's in the extract rather than just listing "extract." It seems that you don't understand that EU regulations for skincare products are far different from the US. That seems to be mostly where you're ill informed here.
What about carrot and stick or ordinary . I like to find a clean line . I have sensitive skin and a lot of redness. I recently purchased a lot of these products and now I am rethinking this brand. Although it rates excellent on my Yuka apt. And most lines do not. Also what about the line called Eight Saints? Thank you for this info
I'm listing the ingredients to the Carrot And Stick moisturizer below- full of toxins. it's bad beauty. This is what I teach in my clean beauty course. If you take my course, you will know exactly what to look for and what to look out for. Those who take my course never guess again and stop wasting money on the shit that doesn't work. The link to watch my free webinar is boldbeautyworkshop.com/optin These are the ingredients in the Carrot And Stick Moisturizer: Water (Aqua), Propanediol, Dimer Dilinoleyl Dimer Dilinoleate, Squalane, Ethyl Macadamiate, Trioctyldodecyl Citrate, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Coconut Alkanes, Mangifera Indica Seed Butter, Theobroma Grandiflorum Seed Butter, Anhydroxylitol, Caffeine, Isomalt, Beta Vulgaris Root Extract, Hydrolyzed Corn Starch, Glycerin, Rhododendron Ferrugineum Leaf Cell Culture Extract, Lactic Acid, Alanine, Proline, Serine, Sodium Hyaluronate, Xylitylglucoside, Isostearyl Isostearate, Xylitol, Rosa Damascena Flower Oil, Pseudoalteromonas Ferment Extract, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Adipic Acid/Neopentyl Glycol Crosspolymer, Hydroxyethyl Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Coco-Caprylate/Caprate, Xanthan Gum, Caprylyl Glycol, Lecithin, Phytic Acid, Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Phosphate, Ethylhexylglycerin, Phenoxyethanol.
Waterless only refers to water not being the first ingredient. If water is in the list it's because it came up on the lab testing, there is water used to wash the olive leaves and they don't want to dry out the leaves damaging the nutrition of the leaves. Also, hydroxytyrosol is a powerful antioxidant found only in the OLIVE TREE not just the OIL. There are tons of studies on Pubmed about hydroxytyrosol.
Yes- misleading. "Waterless" means "lacking or destitute of water ". Look it up. It does not mean "less water". They should say "less water". They add water to the product because some of the ingredients only mix in water. They are lying to you.
@@RealTrinaFelber it's not a marketing scam. It's comparing conventional skin care being MOSTLY WATER - 70% water, dead oils (refined - causing inflammation) and preservatives to products with 70% crushed olive leaf elixir and unrefined oils - how ingredients are processed matters, quality matters. The results speak for themselves.
@@erinribar8541 I agree. That’s what I teach in my clean beauty course- except Oliveda’s ingredients tell a different story. Any way you cut it- waterless and less water are two different things. They are not waterless. Their ingredients are not organic. Period.
I founded two natural skincare companies and formulated and manufactured all of my own product: Olive’s Organic Botanicals in 2009 and Primal Life Organics in 2012. I have been a registered nurse since 1992 and obtained my Masters in Anesthesia in 2007. I am the author of the best selling book Beauty’s Dirty Secret. I have been festered on Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS. I have been a clean beauty expert since 2012. Thanks for asking.
@@Jenny-From-TheBlock You can email me at help@ trinafelber.com. I have a course where I teach you how to read skincare labels. Some brands have a mix of good/bad products and brands change their ingredients all the time. I empower you to know what to look for in brands and skincare. If you want more information, you can check out my website www.trinafelber.com or sign up for a free webinar: webinar.trinafelber.com/webinar-registration
When I heard of the products I thought why not just drink a tablespoon of olive oil and use it on your skin as a moisturizer. The products are also very expensive 25% off isn’t enough discount plus a sign up fee of $39 . I bought oliveda moisturizer off Mercari to try it out that’s as far as I’ll go . Thanks for the review I knew this company sounded fishy 😂
@@jennysadventure8809 organic virgin olive oil is high in phenols and hydroxytyrosol. When I discovered the toxins in skincare- I only used olive oil for 2 months and my skin conditions disappeared!
No thank you. I only use WATER FREE products and make all of my own. I would never buy from a company that greenwashes their marketing. It's deceptive. I'm the Mother Of The Clean Beauty Movement with over 20 year experience- I think I know what I'm talking about.
@sandiscalmanini8096 The purpose is to inform women about the harmful products and ingredients that are labeled as 'clean' or 'natural' and are often sold at high prices. The more we know, the better decisions we can make for our health and well-being. 😊
EU regulations are the most strictly rules that i know, you are very misinformed, concentrate on helping to bring lives into the world,leave beauty to dermatologists 😅😅, you know nothing about EU
I have over 16 years experience in formulating and manufacturing clean beauty products. Dermatologists have no training in formulation and manufacturing. Many dermatologists come to me for guidance because they are lacking in this area. Sorry, you are wrong and you are misinformed. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean what I am saying isn't true. There are way too many red flags with this company.
@@Jmwamuchemi I am fully informed about the greenwashing happening. Their ingredients are not organic. They do contain water. They do have fillers in them. Period. That is greenwashing because their marketing copy states "organic", "waterless" and "no fillers".
If you are actually reviewing a company and ingredients you should actually look into the company and do a little research- what you are saying is all false and this should raise a RED flag for anyone. NO looking at your reviews. All of the information you are stating is no true - it is NOT from olive oil - it is an olive leaf extract. Its truly sad that you are trying to bash a company that you know nothing about.
I agree its from olive leaf extract- olive oil has hydroxytyrosol and no water. The water- no matter where it comes from- dehydrates the skin and causes premature aging. I have looked into the company and I see a ton of greenwashing. Sorry you don't see it- you must be a sales rep.
at@@RealTrinaFelber Waterless means that it does NOT have the majority of water in the product the small amount of water is from the extraction process. So instead of just looking at a label you should research it. Olive oil does not have hydroxytyrosol in it. I can tell you firsthand from using these products that they do not dehydrate your skin. Its obvious you are just reading a label and have not tried or actually looked into the products or ingredients. This is a BIG RED FLAG that you are not actually researching just making stuff up. There is no manufacturing or synthetic products in any of the products. No wonder you only have 46 subscribers to your channel
I founded two natural skincare companies and formulated and manufactured all of my own product: Olive’s Organic Botanicals in 2009 and Primal Life Organics in 2012. I have been a registered nurse since 1992 and obtained my Masters in Anesthesia in 2007. I am the author of the best selling book Beauty’s Dirty Secret. I have been festered on Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS. I have been a clean beauty expert since 2012. Thanks for asking.
@@RealTrinaFelberNo doubt you’re educated but you’ve been misinformed on this brand and ingredients. i am a registered nurse as well and many doctors and health professionals love, use and promote OTPs products. you just need to be educated on EU regulations, ingredients, how they’re listed, etc.
@@abigailuselton Most physicians and nurses have no idea how to formulate or manufacture skincare- trust me. Doctors and nurses are not educated on this- as you should know being a nurse. Just because they promote them, doesn't mean they are safe. Just another reason you need to take my Bold Beauty course.
Hi @jenniferStewart-v3h I am doing a live webinar tomorrow "How To Unlock Youthful & Glowing Skin In Less Than 30 Days". You can sign up here: webinar.trinafelber.com/webinar-registration
I am an attorney by profession and the bulk of my job is research. I spent most of the pandemic researching medical journals, governmental agency documents (FDA/CDC/NIH), and business practices. I preface this because I am naturally skeptical and have reason to question most organizations so I understand your suspicions. However, after doing my research, I trust Olive Tree People (OTP) for its transparency after everything I've come to learn about it. Before I started using the products, I had a myriad of questions. As there is a lot of misinformation in this video, I will try to summarize with countering facts;
1) OTP products are sourced and formulated in the EU and have been in the European market for nearly 20 years - so, it's not a new company but only new to the US market and therefore has been vetted for almost 2 decades with a good track record,
2) Unlike the US/FDA, the EU bans 4800 toxic ingredients it won't allow in skincare and the EU safety standards are so stringent for testing before allowing a product to market it's a wonder any company gets to market,
3) The term "waterless" means the company doesn't add water to the ingredients so the water listed on the INCI (International Nomenclature of Cosmetic Ingredients) is a natural byproduct of the extracts/ingredients used and is required to be listed once a EU inspector/expert tests the products for its contents. Further, the ingredients on the INCI are ordered according to their proportion (from highest to lowest), although those ingredients with a proportion lower than 1% may be mentioned without a particular order. Thus, there is a greater amount of the first ingredient than the last ones (for instance, the first ingredient may constitute 70% of the formula while the second may be only 10%),
4) OTP trees are CAAE certified and therefore organic (us.olivetreepeople.com/pages/company). The Certified Agriculture Education Association (CAAE) is accredited by the USDA's National Organic Program (NOP). This means that CAAE has met the necessary standards and requirements to certify organic agricultural products according to the guidelines set by the NOP. This accreditation signifies that the CAAE is authorized to certify organic products as meeting the USDA's organic standards. You mentioned if it was "organic," the product would be listed as such but that is not required on an EU product that has met NOP standards,
5) As for pesticides and chemicals, the Mayor of the town where the olive tree farm that produces OTP's products exists certified that the farm is in a protected natural park where not a single chemical has been sprayed or fed to these trees for over 60 years.
6) There are three main types of testing for cosmetic products in the EU and it is very time consuming - the basic tests are; a) Stability and Compatibility tests, b) Challenge test (Preservative Efficacy Test, abbreviated PET), and c) Microbiological Quality Analysis,
7) 80% of OTP products don't use preservatives as olive tree leaf extract itself has antimicrobial properties. When alcohol is used in 20% of the products, it's listed as "Alcohol Denat" and is an organic denatured alcohol from fermented sugar that is used in small amounts as a preservative,
8) Even the citric acid in OTP products comes from dehydrated citrus which is nearly unheard of in our time as most skincare (and food products) uses citric acid sources from the black mold of fermented fruits or vegetables.
I have more detailed information as the company has been very transparent in all my dealings with it. If you have questions, I'm happy to share what I know.
On a personal note, I have chemical sensitivities and semi-sensitive skin. I've used just about every non-toxic/organic skincare brand out there and while some have been okay, nothing impressed me. OTP's products have shown real results and changes to my aging skin after a short amount of time (so much so that although I have my own law practice, I became a consultant on the side just to get a discount on products and share with family/friends). So, there is absolutely something to the science and ingredients. I don't know a single person who uses the products and has been unhappy with them. As they have a generous 1 year return policy on used products, there isn't much to lose. So, while research is crucial, the proof is in the pudding and OTP is good pudding!
@@melanier4205 glad to hear your background and experience. It’s still greenwashing. Waterless means without water. Regardless of where the water comes from- it’s H2O. Water. It doesn’t matter if it’s added water or from an extract. Its water and water dehydrates the skin. Most of their products have water listed as the second or third ingredient while others list it toward the end. If water is extracted from the leaf, the quantity would be the same.
As for organic- that’s really fabulous about the trees and I’m sure they are grown without chemicals- but that’s ONE ingredient. What about the other 10, 15, 20 ingredients??? They are not listed as organic! Most are synthetic or processed from plant which removes many of the nutritional value.
I don’t care how long they have been in business. L’Oréal has been in business for 110 years. That doesn’t mean I should trust them.
Glad you are getting results from their products. As long as you are ok with the greenwashing, keep using them. I’m not ok with it.
@@melanier4205 you clearly don’t understand what water does to the skin. It will dehydrate the skin in the long-term which will increase toxic build up in the skin tissue and cells. This will lead to loss of collagen and elastin and frail, thin and saggy skin. Sure, it will initially make improve your skin, especially after using chemical laden skincare but long term, it will accelerate aging. I have been doing this for 16 years. Water from any source doesn’t belong in a product meant to hydrate the skin. Period.
@@melanier4205 Again, water is water and it doesn't matter where the water comes from. It's still water. And the term "waterless" is defined as "devoid of water". You cannot call something waterless that contains water no matter what the source is. I never trust a company that is greenwashing their marketing. You never know what else they are green washing. The "organic" statement does not specify it is just the olive tree that is organic. Again - when making a general and broad claim, you should have the evidence to back it up... and their ingredient list does not back up any of what they are claiming. You as an attorney should know this. If what they really mean is "less water" then that is what they should have on their marketing. As of now, thousands of "consultants" are promoting this to consumers as "waterless" and what do you think the consumer thinks "waterless" means? For sure, they are not thinking "oh, it has less water in it than conventional products". What they think is "it doesn't contain water". Sorry- that's the definitions of a scam.
@@RealTrinaFelber OTP produces their products in small batches every 3 months as they lack synthetic preservatives. They are transparent about the sourcing for each. It would be responsible of you to ask them for the documents before making false statements or assertions in a public space. It's easy to make false accusations without doing the legwork to investigate your theories (which is what your assertions are until proven otherwise). If your purpose in this video is to educate those that know less than you about the industry, then I would encourage you to do your due diligence as half baked theories are not helpful.
Most of the concerns you raise are null & void because of the EU standards put on OTP which you seem to continue ignoring. The US only requires ingredients be listed a particular way because it is essentially a free-for-all as to what can be used in a product whereas in the EU, toxic ingredients are banned at the outset so the remaining ingredients are presumed safe (and then followed up with extensive testing).
The one ingredient you speak of being certified organic (olive tree leaf extract) is the primary ingredient in the products and makes up the majority of the product. I imagine you understand that water is in plants. When pressing the olive leaf to get the hydroxytyrosol extract, water will naturally be part of its makeup and the EU requires that water content from the leaf extract be disclosed. The only way to avoid this would be to dehydrate the extract by removing the water which would require further processing that may damage the bioactive ingredients. Adding water to a product is far different than water that is naturally occurring from a compound, similar to how adding sugar to food is far different than the naturally occurring sugar is in fruit, for example. The whole is different than the sum of its parts. Making claims that water is dehydrating to the skin is misleading unless you specify whether the water is isolated or part of humectants, emollients, and nutrients, acting as a hydrating vehicle.
And you cannot compare a company like Loreal which doesn't claim to be a non-toxic/organic brand (though it may have particular products it deems organic) to a non-toxic brand like OTP - they are apples and oranges. There is a lot more legal scrutiny put on a company when it makes claims to be a non-toxic and organic brand entirely when those claims are false than a conventional brand that does not and would not make such claims, especially in the US. So, 20 years without public litigation is nothing to bat an eye about.
You assert people are probably seeing results because they have switched from chemical laden products to OTP. For me personally, I haven't used chemically laden products since I was a teenager. So I've had 25+ years of trying out non-toxic products and my most transformative results have been from OTP hands down. If that changes, I won't be shy about it. Before using these products, my skin was showing its age more in the last year than ever before and now my skin looks better than it did 5 years ago.
@@RealTrinaFelber Legally a skincare company can generally call its product "waterless" if there's no added water, even if some ingredients naturally contain water. Here's why:
1) common practice: for example, many plant-based ingredients like aloe vera or glycerin naturally contain water, but this is inherent to their structure and not considered "water" even though water is a natural component,
2) marketing: the emphasis in "waterless" skincare is often on avoiding the potential drawbacks of using water as a base ingredient which reduces efficacy as water can dilute active ingredients and require preservatives to prevent bacterial growth,
3) transparency: while using the term "waterless," reputable brands will be transparent about the natural water content of their ingredients by listing it in the product descriptions to avoid misleading consumers.
4) education: brands that educate their consumers about what they claim is or is not in their products fare much better in building trust. OTP does a good job of this.
I also want to mention that there are subtle nuances to languages and their translations, so the term "waterless" and its meaning may not be the exact translation from German but may be the closest translation to English. That is another consideration.
If you have an issue with the term "waterless" and think it's misleading given the above, you should consider lobbying to change the laws that allow the term. OTP welcomes feedback as well!
It's much easier to criticize than to investigate, research, and have conversations with the company you're criticizing.
Trina, there were many Beauty Counter consultants coming over to Oliveda prior to their company closing because they found cleaner products with Oliveda which also produced more effective results.
Oliveda is not really "cleaner" in my opinion. Part of the problem with an MLM (which both Beauty Counter and Oliveda are) is that consultants are driven by money not necessarily finding "safe" products. I exposed Beauty Counter's lies for years... all the while the consultants would adamantly defend the Beauty Counter and scold me for picking on them. Funny how once the Beauty Counter closed, many of the so-called health conscious consultants state "Beauty Counter wasn't really clean anyway" and jumped on the Oliveda MLM bandwagon. If it looks like a scam, sounds like a scam and smells like a scam... its a scam. Oliveda is not "waterless" they use "less water". Thats a disturbing marketing tactic. They are not "organic" and they do use synthetic ingredients. "=Fragrance" is listed on their "fragrance free" products. Too many lies but they pay great money to their consultants.
@@RealTrinaFelber everyone needs an income, so many businesses are driven by money. Many that don't care about health but only making money. I know your company was founded to help people. So was Oliveda. If you want to take the time to learn Thomas's story, he was driven to create products from the olive tree (olive oil healed his debilitating health condition) after learning about the power of the elixir created by crushing the leaves which is way more potent than the oil. He wants to bring the healing power of the olive tree to all who are struggling like he was. It spilled over into skin care so not only healing from the inside out with the internals but also from the outside in with the topicals. I made some other comments (at the same time I made the above comment) and explained about fragrance as well as waterless. The olive groves have not been touched by chemicals / pesticides. I don't care about paying for 'certified organic' - Bill Gates poisons blow over into organic fields all over America. There are only a few of Oliveda's products that needed a preservative added - the potassium sorbate is plant derived and not synthetic like most companies use. Oliveda does not look, smell, or sound like a scam. It is improving people's health, skin, and lives. The results speak for themselves.
@@RealTrinaFelber Their fragrances are not the same as american synthetic fragrance. The EU standards are way more stringent. I've done a deep dive into the research, too, and the whole fragrance thing for me was eye opening. I've been fragrance free and chasing down actually clean products for the last 5 years. I'm usully the type to say "absolutely no" to "fragrance" listed, but it's not the same for Oliveda. You need to use a difference framework when reviewing EU brands.
Oliveda's trees are CAAE certified (this info is on our website). The Certified Agriculture Education Association (CAAE) is accredited by the USDA's National Organic Program (NOP).
This means that CAAE has met the necessary standards and requirements to certify organic agricultural products according to the guidelines set by the NOP. This accreditation signifies that the CAAE is authorized to certify organic products as meeting the USDA's organic standards.
If an ingredient is organic, it would be listed as such on the ingredient list. NONE of the ingredients are listed as organic.
They don’t extract hydroxytyrosol from olive oil. It’s a by product of oleuropein present in olive leaves predominantly than olive fruit. Olive leaf extract has much more concentration of antioxidants than olives. If you’re gonna trash them, at least be more informed.
They are claiming to be "waterless" yet have water in their ingredient list. They also claim to be "organic" yet there is not one single organic ingredient listed. They also claim to be "fragrance free" yet list fragrance as an ingredient. How you extract hyrdroxytyrosol is not the problem.
@@RealTrinaFelber I would love for you to reach out to them and see what they have to say about this your claims. :) I can see why they would say that based on the majority of their products not listing water first. I had also stopped buying products that had any water listed first. I think it's so tough that the FDA here will pass anything and that the ingredient list can be confusing because I do agree that some can mask what's toxic vs some that use the same name of an ingredient and it's not harmful. I've called ingestible supplement company's before to find out what natural flavors or fragrance free to clarify what that meant to find out if it's not toxic at all. I would let it get to me at times too and I learned to pick and choose my battles. For me it's not necessarily the marketing part that's as a concern (because these days everyone's doing something to get a bite, even as I type this, it is helpful for your channel!) as it is more of where it was sourced and how it was processed. I always read the label as I've seen many companies list what they claim on their marketing but it doesn't always mean that all their products are such (that's been likely happening since media was birthed!). So it's not always ideal but like everything it takes time to be educated for more choice in the matter. After doing some research, it does look like some of their products are fragrance free, waterless and organic. It's cool to hear that it comes from their own source of olive trees and their consultants have been able to visit the physical location. I realized if it's plastered on a website that "all our products are certified organic!" we can trust as such but even then you wonder is it really or did they just buy the certification? These days in the US it's tough the bubble we're in, I may trust a european brand like a french or german company that has higher standards of approval than US. Thank you! You've inspired me to actually look deeper into this company. lol
@@Savant-p3u There are some great companies creating amazing water-free skincare. The key is "water free" because water dehydrates the skin and it's also contaminated with drug waste and heavy metals. This is my mission- to clean up the beauty industry through educating the consumer because brands will always greenwash their messaging.
@@RealTrinaFelber many things to inform you but let me start with fragrance - these are made in Germany so European standards - much different than FDA - fragrances used are only essential oils, if you look at what the EU Standards are companies must submit what they are using for fragrance (EU bans over 4,000 ingredients - the FDA only 33!) and even those essential oils have percentage limits. I've always loved your products and company being a fellow Ohioan but I'm sad you're making claims you haven't fully investigated.
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Maam, water is naturally found in the leaves of olive trees. The lack of common sense in this entire video is absolutely annoying😂
That is not where the water is coming from. There is water in ALL plants. You don't see "water" listed in oils or essential oils. They add water to the product. Period.
@@RealTrinaFelber Actually, @abigailuselton is correct. The water listed comes from the plant extract. It is not isolated water. The EU experts that test the product test the formula and are required to list water separately when it comes from an extract. Also, pure essential oils don't contain water as they are hydrophobic so I'm not sure why you used that as an example....
@@melanier4205 I understand it comes from the plant- but is is still WATER so the product that contains it cannot be marketed as "waterless". Less water, yes, but not "waterless". Essentials oils come from plants as well- and you don't see water listed on the ingredient list- even in extracts.
@@RealTrinaFelber actually, legally/ethically it can be marketed that way which is why it is. Water is a byproduct of the extract which the EU requires be listed as a standalone ingredient even though it was derived from the extract. Just because you don't see water listed in aloe vera gel doesn't mean it isn't present in the gel but a company could consider it "waterless" and meet legal/ethical standards. In this case OTP is being especially transparent as it is informing what's in the extract rather than just listing "extract." It seems that you don't understand that EU regulations for skincare products are far different from the US. That seems to be mostly where you're ill informed here.
MLM scam is annoying
What about carrot and stick or ordinary . I like to find a clean line . I have sensitive skin and a lot of redness. I recently purchased a lot of these products and now I am rethinking this brand. Although it rates excellent on my Yuka apt. And most lines do not. Also what about the line called Eight Saints? Thank you for this info
I'm listing the ingredients to the Carrot And Stick moisturizer below- full of toxins. it's bad beauty. This is what I teach in my clean beauty course. If you take my course, you will know exactly what to look for and what to look out for. Those who take my course never guess again and stop wasting money on the shit that doesn't work. The link to watch my free webinar is boldbeautyworkshop.com/optin
These are the ingredients in the Carrot And Stick Moisturizer: Water (Aqua), Propanediol, Dimer Dilinoleyl Dimer Dilinoleate, Squalane, Ethyl Macadamiate, Trioctyldodecyl Citrate, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Coconut Alkanes, Mangifera Indica Seed Butter, Theobroma Grandiflorum Seed Butter, Anhydroxylitol, Caffeine, Isomalt, Beta Vulgaris Root Extract, Hydrolyzed Corn Starch, Glycerin, Rhododendron Ferrugineum Leaf Cell Culture Extract, Lactic Acid, Alanine, Proline, Serine, Sodium Hyaluronate, Xylitylglucoside, Isostearyl Isostearate, Xylitol, Rosa Damascena Flower Oil, Pseudoalteromonas Ferment Extract, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Adipic Acid/Neopentyl Glycol Crosspolymer, Hydroxyethyl Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Coco-Caprylate/Caprate, Xanthan Gum, Caprylyl Glycol, Lecithin, Phytic Acid, Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Phosphate, Ethylhexylglycerin, Phenoxyethanol.
Waterless only refers to water not being the first ingredient. If water is in the list it's because it came up on the lab testing, there is water used to wash the olive leaves and they don't want to dry out the leaves damaging the nutrition of the leaves. Also, hydroxytyrosol is a powerful antioxidant found only in the OLIVE TREE not just the OIL. There are tons of studies on Pubmed about hydroxytyrosol.
So they're misleading people. Waterless means the absence of water. So it's a lie.
Yes- misleading. "Waterless" means "lacking or destitute of water ". Look it up. It does not mean "less water". They should say "less water". They add water to the product because some of the ingredients only mix in water. They are lying to you.
@@rebeccamueller8790 Yes- waterless means without water. Not "less water". It's a marketing scam.
@@RealTrinaFelber it's not a marketing scam. It's comparing conventional skin care being MOSTLY WATER - 70% water, dead oils (refined - causing inflammation) and preservatives to products with 70% crushed olive leaf elixir and unrefined oils - how ingredients are processed matters, quality matters. The results speak for themselves.
@@erinribar8541 I agree. That’s what I teach in my clean beauty course- except Oliveda’s ingredients tell a different story. Any way you cut it- waterless and less water are two different things. They are not waterless. Their ingredients are not organic. Period.
What are your credentials?
I founded two natural skincare companies and formulated and manufactured all of my own product: Olive’s Organic Botanicals in 2009 and Primal Life Organics in 2012. I have been a registered nurse since 1992 and obtained my Masters in Anesthesia in 2007. I am the author of the best selling book Beauty’s Dirty Secret. I have been festered on Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS. I have been a clean beauty expert since 2012. Thanks for asking.
What skincare brands do you recommend?
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When I heard of the products I thought why not just drink a tablespoon of olive oil and use it on your skin as a moisturizer. The products are also very expensive 25% off isn’t enough discount plus a sign up fee of $39 . I bought oliveda moisturizer off Mercari to try it out that’s as far as I’ll go . Thanks for the review I knew this company sounded fishy 😂
@@jennysadventure8809 organic virgin olive oil is high in phenols and hydroxytyrosol. When I discovered the toxins in skincare- I only used olive oil for 2 months and my skin conditions disappeared!
they so expensive . i use them since some time but then i realised that is scam
This lady is crazy she needs to be using Thai Oliveda it would truly be helpful 😂❤
No thank you. I only use WATER FREE products and make all of my own. I would never buy from a company that greenwashes their marketing. It's deceptive. I'm the Mother Of The Clean Beauty Movement with over 20 year experience- I think I know what I'm talking about.
Shade won’t get you anywhere. 😢
@sandiscalmanini8096 The purpose is to inform women about the harmful products and ingredients that are labeled as 'clean' or 'natural' and are often sold at high prices. The more we know, the better decisions we can make for our health and well-being. 😊
EU regulations are the most strictly rules that i know, you are very misinformed, concentrate on helping to bring lives into the world,leave beauty to dermatologists 😅😅, you know nothing about EU
I have over 16 years experience in formulating and manufacturing clean beauty products. Dermatologists have no training in formulation and manufacturing. Many dermatologists come to me for guidance because they are lacking in this area. Sorry, you are wrong and you are misinformed. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean what I am saying isn't true. There are way too many red flags with this company.
@@RealTrinaFelber yes I get it,but you are not fully informed!!
@@Jmwamuchemi I am fully informed about the greenwashing happening. Their ingredients are not organic. They do contain water. They do have fillers in them. Period. That is greenwashing because their marketing copy states "organic", "waterless" and "no fillers".
If you are actually reviewing a company and ingredients you should actually look into the company and do a little research- what you are saying is all false and this should raise a RED flag for anyone. NO looking at your reviews. All of the information you are stating is no true - it is NOT from olive oil - it is an olive leaf extract. Its truly sad that you are trying to bash a company that you know nothing about.
I agree its from olive leaf extract- olive oil has hydroxytyrosol and no water. The water- no matter where it comes from- dehydrates the skin and causes premature aging. I have looked into the company and I see a ton of greenwashing. Sorry you don't see it- you must be a sales rep.
at@@RealTrinaFelber Waterless means that it does NOT have the majority of water in the product the small amount of water is from the extraction process. So instead of just looking at a label you should research it. Olive oil does not have hydroxytyrosol in it. I can tell you firsthand from using these products that they do not dehydrate your skin. Its obvious you are just reading a label and have not tried or actually looked into the products or ingredients. This is a BIG RED FLAG that you are not actually researching just making stuff up. There is no manufacturing or synthetic products in any of the products. No wonder you only have 46 subscribers to your channel
You know NOTHING about ingredients or about EU standards or rules or regulations. Nothing. Please do your research. What are your credentials anyway?
I founded two natural skincare companies and formulated and manufactured all of my own product: Olive’s Organic Botanicals in 2009 and Primal Life Organics in 2012. I have been a registered nurse since 1992 and obtained my Masters in Anesthesia in 2007. I am the author of the best selling book Beauty’s Dirty Secret. I have been festered on Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS. I have been a clean beauty expert since 2012. Thanks for asking.
It don't matter, it's an MLM, that alone means stay away. Scam
@@RealTrinaFelberNo doubt you’re educated but you’ve been misinformed on this brand and ingredients. i am a registered nurse as well and many doctors and health professionals love, use and promote OTPs products. you just need to be educated on EU regulations, ingredients, how they’re listed, etc.
@@abigailuselton Most physicians and nurses have no idea how to formulate or manufacture skincare- trust me. Doctors and nurses are not educated on this- as you should know being a nurse. Just because they promote them, doesn't mean they are safe. Just another reason you need to take my Bold Beauty course.
Lmao she told you what she knows and credentials
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