I want to thank everyone for the words of support here, it's been overwhelming and I'm incredibly greatful. Many have requested evidence, quite rightly, and while it isn't my place to publish what I have but I did share it with trusted media, including Hardware Unboxed who have just published a video that explains the situation well. Here's that video: ruclips.net/video/79ToTB08TY8/видео.html
You got my sub for not selling out to these bullies. I hope your channel grows to the point you can laugh to their face whenever they stomp the ground like a bunch of bitter kids.
Great video, solid review. What's disappointing is NOT the laptop, as everyone makes a sub-par product from time to time. It's MSI's response to receiving a bad review. It's indefensible that they offered money for you not to post the video, and even worse they got AMD involved. Good on you for sticking to your guns and posting the video anyway. Let me know if you need anything.
I have a GS75, My experience isn't completely bad, but I don't get the ports on the right side thing. I constantly have to angle the laptop so USB ports don't block the movement of the mouse. Also, I thought it was only me, but the per-key RGB keyboard constantly has keys that stop showing certain colors. This also happened on my previous GE73 and I thought it was only that model. This may be a wide-spread issue for many people.
It would be one thing if they offered to send another copy and double check the qc from the first one, not sure I'd trust it wasn't cherry picked if it didn't come from a separate store, but that's a different story. But paying for a review, either to get a good one or to take down a bad one is just plain wrong. I really hope this is just a stupid pr rep from a 3rd party and not actually MSI.
@@DixonYerraz wtf are you talking about, GS and GE are high tier laptops. You should be very happy with them. Even GP lineup is awesome devices. The problem is all those TUF, Bravo, etc devices. They are bad by engineering design and made this way in order to be less attractive than expensive models.
@@antonywhatever572 I'm telling you my exact experience, don't like it? there's nothing I can do about that. performance is great, but the steel series keyboard is bad on both and the port layout is bad for the GS and it uses the same touchpad is bad which uses Intel serial drivers instead of Elan which has terrible right and left click which leaves me to use two finger and one finger taps instead of pressing on the bottom-right or bottom-left. You'd expect more when spending $2K on a laptop...
@@TheLukemcdaniel came from highly trusted large retailers, both retailers are different and based in different locations. other users have experienced the same issues with random key lights going out, I thought in my head it was a one of chance I got something bad from two years ago, but now I'm dealing with it again. It doesn't happen immediately, but over time the keys will go, one by one. before I had before I did the GE, now I have two lights not working right on the GS.
Same, I found this video/channel because of their reaction. I subscribed and will try to keep supporting people who honestly review products, and won't be supporting MSI.
MSI refused my warranty on my 2060 that I purchased from Amazon because apparently Amazon isn't an approved seller in Australia but it literally got sent by themselves. I won't be buying MSI in the future either.
I don't want to sound like an ass and I can totally see big companies doing stuff like that, but are there any proofs or hints to his story and MSI reaction? I read his tweets and couldn't find anything besides the story itself.
@@Borando96 Well we can see the issues that caused him to give the review in this video - especially the heat and trackpad issues. Beyond that there is an element of "X word vs Y" due to the fact that largely prerelease info will still be covered by NDA agreements and sharing emails in total publicly will often have much wider reaching supplier backlashes however when other channels I hold in very high regard like Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed have had similar issues with other manufacturers and are willing to come out batting for him I find it completely credible.
@@Borando96 he can give screenshots and stuff and expose MSI, but he is tech reviewer and don't want to spoil his image by doing so which might show an effect on companies not sending him review units🤷🏻♂️
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As an MSI Bravo 15 owner, this review is pretty similar to my everyday experience. After having the laptop for a week, the trackpad is terrible, gaming is definitely not for triple A titles, the screen is definitely not amazing. Overall I honestly don't hate it but I also don't love it.
I also wanted to point out if you checked the built in microphone on the MSI Bravo somehow the monitor is so sensative just touching the screen disconnects the microphone and you touch the screen again the mic works again.
I got the Alpha 15 with the 3750H + 5500M and it ran pretty cool underload (around 70-80C). Can’t believe they make its supposedly successor worst than the previous Alpha.
Bravo for holding your ground. No company makes every product perfect, trying to censor an honest review is unacceptable though. Planned on picking up a Tomahawk MAX. Will look elsewhere now out of principal. MSI, shame on you. TechTeamGB, bravo and keep doing what you're doing. Subbed.
Their laptop and motherboard team acted different though. HUB trashed their early X570 lineup (Gaming Edge and A-Pro) because of poor VRMs. They took it wholeheartedly and released the X570 Tomahawk, which is one of the best X570s out there.
@@woodywolf0309 Everyone makes mistakes but MSI's response to this along with the pattern of responses to other outlets such as GamersNexus and HardwareUnboxed are not. Don't mistake malice for mistakes.
The cooling "solution" is obviously not up to the job and is a design flaw. Thank you for the well thought out review and analysis. It is right that you have raised these issues.
at this point, they just don't even care about ryzen 4000 laptop. it's like, they just decided to just have something that check minimum boxes to shows that they listen to amd fans out there. good lord, msi. you're missing the precious bandwagon.
Well... It's not like they could add $300 to the price of this laptop and add more premium components when the GPU is Soo much slower then nvidias.... It's called a price bracket, and maybe if he bought this himself he'd appreciate how much cheaper it was compared to the ones he'd obviously rather have that are almost double the price of this one....
@@cmusic52 But the thing is that there are a couple of others out there that hit the same price point, but manage to do so with components that reach the "tolerable for the price" mark.
@@jammo7370 unfortunately that seems to be a trend with many manufacturers, many Ryzen equipped laptops have a pretty horrible screen when compared to intel equipped laptops.and thats just touching the tip of the iceberg
It’s not all covered red. It’s usually just one drunk nut job somewhere in the company that does this kind of stuff. I’ve owned MSI products for a while and they are high quality, and get the job done. The rogue PR employee that did this deserves a jail sentence. Get yourself together MSI, seriously, this was too low.
@@hamzarizvi4378 the worst thing is that MSI has not made a quick response. All they need to say is a single tweet, acknowledging they were wrong, apologising and promising not to do it again. Would have quickly saved their rep and this would have blown over, since usually people have the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to these things. Now, everyone is angry, out for blood and MSI is definetly going to get lashed out at for the next week.
@@BillyTubememe exactly, they could've very very easily, said they dealt with the employee and have enacted changes in their corporate culture to tighten up and make sure this never happens again. As well as obviously pointing out that this has never happened before blah blah bullshit 💩😂
@@BillyTubememe True. Many people including me still can't comprehend why such a successful PC company would have such a reaction. So what if your product had some issues. Fix them! Don't hide them!
Got sent here by gamers nexus. Earned a new sub today. An honest, thorough reviewer that has strong ethics is a rare thing and I'm happy to support those that are.
Found this thru Gamer Nexus MSI topic,.... Great review, my hats off to you sir for sticking with your opinion. I really liked the well informed review. I'll put this channel in may daily routine checking hardware reviews.
Never seen a video of your before homie, but i'm subscribing based on the fact that you wouldn't accept payment to not post this, and won't back down to remove it. Good on you.
Just bought an MSI Meg god like for my Ryzen 3950x build. I’ll be returning it and waiting as long as I have to for an Aorus. Their response to your video is ridiculous.
@@oukn6293 they sided with techteam brotha, amd just hasn't come out publicly, I'm sure it would be hard to outright throw up a middle finger at a major partner. No matter what, ie most major US sports leagues
(here via GN) - Thanks for the solid review. It's my first time on your channel and your delivery, the details of the review (ie, the points you touched on in the review) and the fact that you're reviewing laptops which seems a bit rare these days has earned you a sub. Keep up the good work :)
Hi. I just found your channel from another vloggers channel talking about you and the MSI situation. Just watched your review. Good job. Glad you stuck to your guns.
Hey man, for sticking your ground and releasing this you earned a sub from me. We need more journalists with integrity. Great Review, keep up the good work.
Just come over from GN. Been a laptop gamer for years, you hit all the points I would look for in helping to decide which model to buy next. Good solid review +1 sub. I am finally at a stage (no more work travel!) where I can build a desktop again, and was finalising my list this morning. Companies need to realise that how they behave influences whether they get included on those kind of lists.
Got here from Hardware Unboxed. Good to see the community sticking together. I'm browsing through your videos right now and looks like some good content. Here's hoping you get a lot of clicks in the coming weeks!
I'm sure like many others here, Tech Jesus sent me. His word means something, and he had good words about you. We rely on on folks like yourself in the tech community, to bring us honest, objective content. Subscribed.
Coming here from Gamers Nexus. Good for you, sticking to your guns, and taking the high road when MSI tried to use intimidation to get you to change your review.
I have MSI products and they are fine but if this is how the seek to try and operate as a company towards tech youtubers who many of us rely on in determining if the products we want to buy are worth it then there is no point in giving MSI anyone's money. If they make a product that isn't up to par and reviewers show that it isn't good enough then that's on them. They shouldn't try to change anyone's review of the product at all and instead maybe learn from their mistakes - but I guess that's just too hard for them in this case. It's pathetic.
Came back to this video after seeing the whole MSI fiasco on my Google news feed... I've been watching your videos for quite some time now and you're the man! I just hate seeing big companies try and use their "muscle" and shut people up. I am glad that you stuck to your guns and didn't back down, it shows the creeps out there that it isn't always easy and they can't buy everything, but also that I for one know I won't be buying any kind of MSI products any time soon if ever again for that matter. Whew what a long one there 😅🙌
Coming from Gamers Nexus Recent video I bought a MSI GL63 9SEK last august and have been using it thoroughly even since the beginning of the year, since now i finally have some time to do stuff on it apart from being at college and doing "college work" on instead now i have time to take up stuff like Blender, Da vinci Resolve as an hobby and play video games . My i7 9750h runs hot just like the one in the Bravo 15 hitting 100c even with a -115v undervolt (thats as far as i could it do it ). I currently have my turbo locked to 3.0Ghz, anything above would tank up the temps to a 100c, even now the laptop manages to hit 95c on certain scenarios and with the airconditioning on 100% of the time (i believe my room temps are quite cool and not at fault here). About the Keyboard, fantastic to use but the LEDs on the keyboard stopped working a few months after i purchased it. The Keyboard on my GL63 is made by Steelseries, i also have a rival 105 ( for those wondering, its available only in the asian market) and that has the same issue as my keyboard and the the left click sensor double clicking. Some more about the shady steelseries, The Rival 105 purchased somewhere around january of this year, Upon waiting almost week for thier support to get back to me regarding my issue Steelseries straight up denied my any help (for the mouse and not for the laptop keyboard that should be dealt my MSI themselves) even with Steelseries having an official presence in my country. So no Refund nor any customer support to have it fixed for me. Back to MSI the trackpad has a similiar issue as the Bravo 15 in this video, unlike the Bravo 15 the trackpad has two seperate buttons for left and right click and the left click is just set depressed downwards just like the Bravo 15 here. I have sent my laptop to the service centre twice now (one time in december and just now last week itself) and both the times they just sent me the laptop as it was without fixing anything. The Emails from the support team at Msi are non existent and call support calls are not picked up most of the time nor are good at being helpful in any sort of way even trying to get a hold of the Support overseer in my region seem like a impossble task (take an exampe of a sekiro boss fight, metaphorically ofcourse) I can understand laptops are very compact and prone to heating much more than that of a desktop but even with all necessary steps of 1.keeping the laptop clean and away from storing dust inside 2. using it in a cool environment when using it under loads 3. performing necessay undervolts but even after doing so i am unable to use the specs to their capacity and with the support handling and the lack of communication from Msi i could only think of buying this laptop as a waste of money especially something that was as expensive as half of my yearly tuition fee at my university. So it just feels like a waste of tech and power wasted on the poor design and manufacturing standards of MSI. I would certainly like to thank Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus and most certainly YOU for keeping your promise as a true and faithful reviewer and for making this video. I strongly hope this will help bring some sort of change Apologies for the mistakes.
@TechteamGB Hello, Steve sent me here, I have also had problems with MSI bad Design, the MSI Trident (Intel 6th gen) had a terrible flaw where one of the capacitors would go bad after a few months and the unit would either have to have its motherboard replaced or if you knew where it was and had the stones to solder in a new capacitor. I did the latter because I was out of warranty. This particular problem was widespread and they have many pages of people who said that their unit would not turn on unless they used a hairdryer to heat up the area near the cpu on the motherboard (at the time people did not know it was a bad Capacitor).
it's a little weird that a little after one of MSI's ceo's died they're brand and reputation goes to shit. Im glad JayzTwoCents mentioned you in his newest video!
I bought a brand new MSI X399 MEG Creation motherboard on Amazon last week (-$500), after getting burned on buying a cheaper used version prior that didn't post, returned that un-working used MB back to Amazon. I was desperate to get another used one from ebay when an all-new version showed up on Amazon which I jumped right on it. Received it within a week, hooked it up. The MB posted, but it did not read all 4 of my 4x16GB DDR4 3000 memory sticks so instead of 64GB, I was getting 49152MB at 2100MHz. Could not turn on any XMP. Tested each DIMM channel with a single stick and saw the system would not post at all with a DIMM in C2. I had no issues with these same DRAM sticks used on my previous MSI X399 SLI Plus motherboard that I was trying to upgrade from. So now I'm RMA'ing the motherboard, can't help but wonder how does this stuff get past quality and assurance testing.
I have had bad experiences with MSI for warranties in the past and after hearing about the unfortunate debaccle you've been through regarding this review from several other reviewrs, I had to watch it myself. As Craft Computing said (I follow him as well), this is a solid and fair review. The way MSi have acted is the final nail in the coffin for them, I won't be recommending them to any friends or building anything with them again. You sir have earned another subscriber, not because of the debaccle, but because this is a solid and clearly honest review and I look forward to enjoying another source of reliable tech info.
I watched your review after GN did the piece on MSI's underhanded practices. I am proud you stood your ground and posted your review. We need all our reviewers to have the same scruples as you and a few other tech tubers.
Hey subbing and commenting because you got a shout out on Hardware Unboxed. Thanks for being a good and honest tech journalist, keep up the good work fighting corporate morons like that guy at MSI. MSI, watch out, this is damaging your brand, pull your pants up
Just subscribed, because this is actually a great review and very detailed. Keep it up! I always support the reviewer that is honest and values audience more than sponsor.
Sorry to hear you're going through this. Hopefully MSI learns from this because this type of interaction shouldn't happen from a company of MSI's scale.
Seen this at the Base store today next to a Dell G5. The Bravo was really light. Bought it and brought it home. Came across this review and you should have seen my eyes light up! OH NO! Lmao! I haven't even taken it out of the box-lol Luckily I have 45 days to return it to the store, no questions asked. Thanks for the review and your warning!
Good on you...like others I came here via the mention on other sites (Gamers Nexus in my case)....proper honest reviews are what we all want and sod the big PR departments...have subbed and hope it backfires on MSI and any others with the same tactics .....you should try having less than 400 subs like me then you don't get this hassle :)
I’m coming from Gamers Nexus and I just subscribed to you. Independent media should be praised above everything else in tech reviews. We are by your side. Fuck MSI, I’m never buying anything from them again.
@@oukn6293 fr tho I got a Msi gs66 stealth 2070 rtx with 240 hz screen and this laptop been running pretty damn good. Like u said if want a good Msi product these cheaper ones aint gonna do it for anyone imo
Very believable and honest review of this product. I own a high end MSI laptop and it's not much better. It's spec'd better but has so many issues that I will NEVER EVER buy anything MSI again. After 3-4 products now in many different areas, there just not to be recommended in their current state. Again like you it's my OPINION ! Adding on top or them becoming cheaper "feeling and or using wise unpleasent" with seemingly there now entire product line, this company needs a complete reboot. The fact that they asked to tone down your very opinion of said product, means only that their very aware of their very own quality issues. Otherwise this review would've been meaningless...
not in the market for a laptop but not interested in buying from manufacturers that do this sort of thing either. Ever. keep up the good work. have a sub.
I want to thank everyone for the words of support here, it's been overwhelming and I'm incredibly greatful. Many have requested evidence, quite rightly, and while it isn't my place to publish what I have but I did share it with trusted media, including Hardware Unboxed who have just published a video that explains the situation well. Here's that video: ruclips.net/video/79ToTB08TY8/видео.html
You got my sub for not selling out to these bullies. I hope your channel grows to the point you can laugh to their face whenever they stomp the ground like a bunch of bitter kids.
Same straight here from HUB video. You have the full support the community. Look forward to your future content.
Uou get my support in form of subbing
Don't be bullied, keep up the good work
Never heard of you before but I will sub to any HONEST reviewer, you have my sub ;)
Subscribed and liked this video to give support!
Great video, solid review. What's disappointing is NOT the laptop, as everyone makes a sub-par product from time to time. It's MSI's response to receiving a bad review. It's indefensible that they offered money for you not to post the video, and even worse they got AMD involved.
Good on you for sticking to your guns and posting the video anyway. Let me know if you need anything.
I have a GS75, My experience isn't completely bad, but I don't get the ports on the right side thing. I constantly have to angle the laptop so USB ports don't block the movement of the mouse. Also, I thought it was only me, but the per-key RGB keyboard constantly has keys that stop showing certain colors. This also happened on my previous GE73 and I thought it was only that model. This may be a wide-spread issue for many people.
It would be one thing if they offered to send another copy and double check the qc from the first one, not sure I'd trust it wasn't cherry picked if it didn't come from a separate store, but that's a different story. But paying for a review, either to get a good one or to take down a bad one is just plain wrong.
I really hope this is just a stupid pr rep from a 3rd party and not actually MSI.
@@DixonYerraz wtf are you talking about, GS and GE are high tier laptops. You should be very happy with them. Even GP lineup is awesome devices.
The problem is all those TUF, Bravo, etc devices. They are bad by engineering design and made this way in order to be less attractive than expensive models.
@@antonywhatever572 I'm telling you my exact experience, don't like it? there's nothing I can do about that. performance is great, but the steel series keyboard is bad on both and the port layout is bad for the GS and it uses the same touchpad is bad which uses Intel serial drivers instead of Elan which has terrible right and left click which leaves me to use two finger and one finger taps instead of pressing on the bottom-right or bottom-left. You'd expect more when spending $2K on a laptop...
@@TheLukemcdaniel came from highly trusted large retailers, both retailers are different and based in different locations. other users have experienced the same issues with random key lights going out, I thought in my head it was a one of chance I got something bad from two years ago, but now I'm dealing with it again. It doesn't happen immediately, but over time the keys will go, one by one. before I had before I did the GE, now I have two lights not working right on the GS.
MSI's reaction to this puts me off their products - Disappointing
Same, I found this video/channel because of their reaction. I subscribed and will try to keep supporting people who honestly review products, and won't be supporting MSI.
MSI refused my warranty on my 2060 that I purchased from Amazon because apparently Amazon isn't an approved seller in Australia but it literally got sent by themselves. I won't be buying MSI in the future either.
I don't want to sound like an ass and I can totally see big companies doing stuff like that, but are there any proofs or hints to his story and MSI reaction? I read his tweets and couldn't find anything besides the story itself.
@@Borando96 Well we can see the issues that caused him to give the review in this video - especially the heat and trackpad issues.
Beyond that there is an element of "X word vs Y" due to the fact that largely prerelease info will still be covered by NDA agreements and sharing emails in total publicly will often have much wider reaching supplier backlashes however when other channels I hold in very high regard like Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed have had similar issues with other manufacturers and are willing to come out batting for him I find it completely credible.
@@Borando96 he can give screenshots and stuff and expose MSI, but he is tech reviewer and don't want to spoil his image by doing so which might show an effect on companies not sending him review units🤷🏻♂️
I'm just here for the Streisand Effect
Likewise, gotta keep the true voice as such upvoted and be seen
Same
Same. Got a sub from me.
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As an MSI Bravo 15 owner, this review is pretty similar to my everyday experience. After having the laptop for a week, the trackpad is terrible, gaming is definitely not for triple A titles, the screen is definitely not amazing. Overall I honestly don't hate it but I also don't love it.
Did you return it or past the date ? just looking at it tells me it's going randomly die on you when need it the most.
Same experience as a MSI GF65 owner, yes track pad is shit, same I don't hate it nor love it but have to live with it🤷🏻♂️
Man I got this in june and I hear yeah the same feeling.
I also wanted to point out if you checked the built in microphone on the MSI Bravo somehow the monitor is so sensative just touching the screen disconnects the microphone and you touch the screen again the mic works again.
I got the Alpha 15 with the 3750H + 5500M and it ran pretty cool underload (around 70-80C). Can’t believe they make its supposedly successor worst than the previous Alpha.
The review MSI doesn't want you to see - literally.
That would have been the perfect title.
Hey, nice seeing the YT tech community being ethical.
and your videos are great.
This high quality content really deserves some more views!
agreed
Bravo for holding your ground. No company makes every product perfect, trying to censor an honest review is unacceptable though.
Planned on picking up a Tomahawk MAX. Will look elsewhere now out of principal.
MSI, shame on you.
TechTeamGB, bravo and keep doing what you're doing. Subbed.
Man Tomahawk MAX is an awesome board. You can't deny that they make some great boards. They just made a bad laptop, everyone makes mistakes
Their laptop and motherboard team acted different though. HUB trashed their early X570 lineup (Gaming Edge and A-Pro) because of poor VRMs. They took it wholeheartedly and released the X570 Tomahawk, which is one of the best X570s out there.
@@woodywolf0309 Everyone makes mistakes but MSI's response to this along with the pattern of responses to other outlets such as GamersNexus and HardwareUnboxed are not. Don't mistake malice for mistakes.
The cooling "solution" is obviously not up to the job and is a design flaw. Thank you for the well thought out review and analysis. It is right that you have raised these issues.
at this point, they just don't even care about ryzen 4000 laptop. it's like, they just decided to just have something that check minimum boxes to shows that they listen to amd fans out there. good lord, msi. you're missing the precious bandwagon.
He had a Tweet storm about it today. AMD took his side vs MSI over this review.
MSI have been Intel shills for awhile now
Well... It's not like they could add $300 to the price of this laptop and add more premium components when the GPU is Soo much slower then nvidias.... It's called a price bracket, and maybe if he bought this himself he'd appreciate how much cheaper it was compared to the ones he'd obviously rather have that are almost double the price of this one....
@@cmusic52 But the thing is that there are a couple of others out there that hit the same price point, but manage to do so with components that reach the "tolerable for the price" mark.
@@jammo7370 unfortunately that seems to be a trend with many manufacturers, many Ryzen equipped laptops have a pretty horrible screen when compared to intel equipped laptops.and thats just touching the tip of the iceberg
Very solid review, Kudos for maintaining your integrity with what happened with this review.
Sorry you have to suffer through MSi’s strong arming. You do quality and honest content. Subbed.
Hope MSI people are reading this so they know I won't be buying any more of their crap going forward 😊. Great video, mate
Not even the graphics card from msi?
It’s not all covered red. It’s usually just one drunk nut job somewhere in the company that does this kind of stuff. I’ve owned MSI products for a while and they are high quality, and get the job done. The rogue PR employee that did this deserves a jail sentence. Get yourself together MSI, seriously, this was too low.
@@hamzarizvi4378 the worst thing is that MSI has not made a quick response. All they need to say is a single tweet, acknowledging they were wrong, apologising and promising not to do it again. Would have quickly saved their rep and this would have blown over, since usually people have the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to these things. Now, everyone is angry, out for blood and MSI is definetly going to get lashed out at for the next week.
@@BillyTubememe exactly, they could've very very easily, said they dealt with the employee and have enacted changes in their corporate culture to tighten up and make sure this never happens again. As well as obviously pointing out that this has never happened before blah blah bullshit 💩😂
@@BillyTubememe True. Many people including me still can't comprehend why such a successful PC company would have such a reaction. So what if your product had some issues. Fix them! Don't hide them!
I wish there were more 17" Ryzen 4000 Laptops out! Thanks for this review :)
I’m here from GN and you do a great job. Good for you standing up to these companies. When a product is bad it’s just bad!
Came over after hearing about MSI's response to you from Bitwit and Paul. Good for you for sticking to your guns. Subscribed.
Got sent here by gamers nexus. Earned a new sub today. An honest, thorough reviewer that has strong ethics is a rare thing and I'm happy to support those that are.
Found this thru Gamer Nexus MSI topic,.... Great review, my hats off to you sir for sticking with your opinion. I really liked the well informed review. I'll put this channel in may daily routine checking hardware reviews.
Subbed after seeing your twitter post on r/hardware :)
Never seen a video of your before homie, but i'm subscribing based on the fact that you wouldn't accept payment to not post this, and won't back down to remove it.
Good on you.
Thanks!
Likewise for me
Same for me
Just want to say that Im here because of GN highlighting your disagreements with MSI. Here to support you!
Rob S I second that. Subbed to support honest reviews.
Just bought an MSI Meg god like for my Ryzen 3950x build. I’ll be returning it and waiting as long as I have to for an Aorus. Their response to your video is ridiculous.
You forgot return the Ryzen also
@@oukn6293 they sided with techteam brotha, amd just hasn't come out publicly, I'm sure it would be hard to outright throw up a middle finger at a major partner. No matter what, ie most major US sports leagues
Buy Asus ROG Strix Crosshair VIII X570 Formula
Get a asus b550f instead m8.
Steve sent me here. Thx for doing the right thing
I think you mean Beve Sturk.
Steve from GamersNexus sent me here. Keep fighting the good fight!
(here via GN) - Thanks for the solid review. It's my first time on your channel and your delivery, the details of the review (ie, the points you touched on in the review) and the fact that you're reviewing laptops which seems a bit rare these days has earned you a sub. Keep up the good work :)
Hi. I just found your channel from another vloggers channel talking about you and the MSI situation. Just watched your review. Good job. Glad you stuck to your guns.
Hey man, for sticking your ground and releasing this you earned a sub from me. We need more journalists with integrity.
Great Review, keep up the good work.
wouldn't even have heard about this review if not for how MSI handled it, but now i'm here and def not buying MSI
Just come over from GN. Been a laptop gamer for years, you hit all the points I would look for in helping to decide which model to buy next. Good solid review +1 sub.
I am finally at a stage (no more work travel!) where I can build a desktop again, and was finalising my list this morning. Companies need to realise that how they behave influences whether they get included on those kind of lists.
Got here from Hardware Unboxed. Good to see the community sticking together. I'm browsing through your videos right now and looks like some good content. Here's hoping you get a lot of clicks in the coming weeks!
Keep fighting ... I only subscribed because you put up a fight and stood for what u believe in ... all the support ....
I'm sure like many others here, Tech Jesus sent me. His word means something, and he had good words about you. We rely on on folks like yourself in the tech community, to bring us honest, objective content. Subscribed.
Seconded. Commenting mainly to show engagement (for the algorithm).
Just a random passerby after watching GN video. Thanks for doing what you do and not submitting to threats.
Found you through GN. Subscribed. Honesty wins.
Good review dude and well done for not backing down. Loved Steve from gamer nexus backing you up in his vids and you have a new sub because of it 👍
Hi from GN I liked and subscribed. Keep up the good honest work.
Came over from GN... will subscribe also... Keep up the good work
thanks a ton for honest review mate!!
Coming here from Gamers Nexus. Good for you, sticking to your guns, and taking the high road when MSI tried to use intimidation to get you to change your review.
Came here after hearing about this from The Wan Show and Awesome Hardware. keep up the great work!
This video just earned you another sub. I'm here through GN, btw.
Streisand effect incoming in 3....2....1
Steve at GN sent me, and I sub'd. Keep up the good work, fight back.
Thanks for the honest review! Came here and subbed after the segment that Kyle & Paul did on your review/MSI's reaction.
Subbed for integrity! This is a very solid and reasonable review. Look forward to seeing more from you.
Well done!
Here from hardware unboxed, giving you a sub based on this video and it's ramifications.
Subscribed if only for the fact that you stood up to the big guy and kept your ethics intact. Keep up the great work!
I have MSI products and they are fine but if this is how the seek to try and operate as a company towards tech youtubers who many of us rely on in determining if the products we want to buy are worth it then there is no point in giving MSI anyone's money. If they make a product that isn't up to par and reviewers show that it isn't good enough then that's on them. They shouldn't try to change anyone's review of the product at all and instead maybe learn from their mistakes - but I guess that's just too hard for them in this case. It's pathetic.
Came back to this video after seeing the whole MSI fiasco on my Google news feed... I've been watching your videos for quite some time now and you're the man! I just hate seeing big companies try and use their "muscle" and shut people up. I am glad that you stuck to your guns and didn't back down, it shows the creeps out there that it isn't always easy and they can't buy everything, but also that I for one know I won't be buying any kind of MSI products any time soon if ever again for that matter. Whew what a long one there 😅🙌
Coming from Gamers Nexus Recent video
I bought a MSI GL63 9SEK last august and have been using it thoroughly even since the beginning of the year, since now i finally have some time to do stuff on it apart from being at college and doing "college work" on instead now i have time to take up stuff like Blender, Da vinci Resolve as an hobby and play video games .
My i7 9750h runs hot just like the one in the Bravo 15 hitting 100c even with a -115v undervolt (thats as far as i could it do it ). I currently have my turbo locked to 3.0Ghz, anything above would tank up the temps to a 100c, even now the laptop manages to hit 95c on certain scenarios and with the airconditioning on 100% of the time (i believe my room temps are quite cool and not at fault here). About the Keyboard, fantastic to use but the LEDs on the keyboard stopped working a few months after i purchased it. The Keyboard on my GL63 is made by Steelseries, i also have a rival 105
( for those wondering, its available only in the asian market) and that has the same issue as my keyboard and the the left click sensor double clicking. Some more about the shady steelseries, The Rival 105 purchased somewhere around january of this year, Upon waiting almost week for thier support to get back to me regarding my issue Steelseries straight up denied my any help (for the mouse and not for the laptop keyboard that should be dealt my MSI themselves) even with Steelseries having an official presence in my country. So no Refund nor any customer support to have it fixed for me.
Back to MSI
the trackpad has a similiar issue as the Bravo 15 in this video, unlike the Bravo 15 the trackpad has two seperate buttons for left and right click and the left click is just set depressed downwards just like the Bravo 15 here. I have sent my laptop to the service centre twice now (one time in december and just now last week itself) and both the times they just sent me the laptop as it was without fixing anything. The Emails from the support team at Msi are non existent and call support calls are not picked up most of the time nor are good at being helpful in any sort of way
even trying to get a hold of the Support overseer in my region seem like a impossble task (take an exampe of a sekiro boss fight, metaphorically ofcourse)
I can understand laptops are very compact and prone to heating much more than that of a desktop but even with all necessary steps of
1.keeping the laptop clean and away from storing dust inside 2. using it in a cool environment when using it under loads 3. performing necessay undervolts but even after doing so i am unable to use the specs to their capacity and with the support handling and the lack of communication from Msi i could only think of buying this laptop as a waste of money especially something that was as expensive as half of my yearly tuition fee at my university. So it just feels like a waste of tech and power wasted on the poor design and manufacturing standards of MSI.
I would certainly like to thank Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus and most certainly YOU for keeping your promise as a true and faithful reviewer and for making this video. I strongly hope this will help bring some sort of change
Apologies for the mistakes.
Great review man! Great editing 👌
It seems that every Ryzen laptop has poor fan vents and then the Intel ones are all open....
Yes
Expect Lenovo legion 5, 7, & y7000se
I hope that the integrity you've shown as an independent reviewer brings you more viewership.
Just found out about you, nothing much i can do except for subscribe for an honest reviewer :)
I subbed because of the honesty of this reviewer and channel. Well done for not taking the MSI bribe.
Telling the truth is so rare in today's world. Respect for your honest review.
Keep the good working 💪, we support you around the world.
Hi MSI, just so you know, I was brought here because of your bad behaviour. Will no longer consider buying your products.
Same here
@TechteamGB Hello, Steve sent me here, I have also had problems with MSI bad Design, the MSI Trident (Intel 6th gen) had a terrible flaw where one of the capacitors would go bad after a few months and the unit would either have to have its motherboard replaced or if you knew where it was and had the stones to solder in a new capacitor. I did the latter because I was out of warranty. This particular problem was widespread and they have many pages of people who said that their unit would not turn on unless they used a hairdryer to heat up the area near the cpu on the motherboard (at the time people did not know it was a bad Capacitor).
it's a little weird that a little after one of MSI's ceo's died they're brand and reputation goes to shit. Im glad JayzTwoCents mentioned you in his newest video!
Brother keep posting honest reviews, thanks for not falling for the money.
Supporter from India
great vidio... hope you can keep making this kind of vidio to the future...keep the good job...
I bought a brand new MSI X399 MEG Creation motherboard on Amazon last week (-$500), after getting burned on buying a cheaper used version prior that didn't post, returned that un-working used MB back to Amazon.
I was desperate to get another used one from ebay when an all-new version showed up on Amazon which I jumped right on it. Received it within a week, hooked it up. The MB posted, but it did not read all 4 of my 4x16GB DDR4 3000 memory sticks so instead of 64GB, I was getting 49152MB at 2100MHz. Could not turn on any XMP. Tested each DIMM channel with a single stick and saw the system would not post at all with a DIMM in C2.
I had no issues with these same DRAM sticks used on my previous MSI X399 SLI Plus motherboard that I was trying to upgrade from.
So now I'm RMA'ing the motherboard, can't help but wonder how does this stuff get past quality and assurance testing.
Just subscribed and ordered the next gen bravo b55dd!thanks for the review!
This is the way you earn you viewer's respect!! Subbed!!
I have had bad experiences with MSI for warranties in the past and after hearing about the unfortunate debaccle you've been through regarding this review from several other reviewrs, I had to watch it myself. As Craft Computing said (I follow him as well), this is a solid and fair review. The way MSi have acted is the final nail in the coffin for them, I won't be recommending them to any friends or building anything with them again. You sir have earned another subscriber, not because of the debaccle, but because this is a solid and clearly honest review and I look forward to enjoying another source of reliable tech info.
I am new to your channel - Keep up the solid work - It takes good character to post honest reviews these days - Keep up the good work !
I watched your review after GN did the piece on MSI's underhanded practices. I am proud you stood your ground and posted your review. We need all our reviewers to have the same scruples as you and a few other tech tubers.
Just saw an article about your situation. I subbed.
Much respect for not backing down
Great video!!! I will now watch every channel and buy some merch
Came here and subbed, found the channel via GN :)
Hey subbing and commenting because you got a shout out on Hardware Unboxed. Thanks for being a good and honest tech journalist, keep up the good work fighting corporate morons like that guy at MSI. MSI, watch out, this is damaging your brand, pull your pants up
Thank You for the honesty! Dont be bullied. +1 sub
Just subscribed, because this is actually a great review and very detailed. Keep it up! I always support the reviewer that is honest and values audience more than sponsor.
Great to keep ethics! Subscribed because of a person willing to stand up to the man
Sorry to hear you're going through this. Hopefully MSI learns from this because this type of interaction shouldn't happen from a company of MSI's scale.
A like and sub for your integrity here. Well done!
Just heard about this on awesome hardware, subbed! Good work!
Seen this at the Base store today next to a Dell G5. The Bravo was really light. Bought it and brought it home. Came across this review and you should have seen my eyes light up! OH NO!
Lmao! I haven't even taken it out of the box-lol
Luckily I have 45 days to return it to the store, no questions asked.
Thanks for the review and your warning!
I appreciate your honesty and I have subscribed!
Can I buy this MSI bravo 15 or m1 mackbook air
Please reply
I'm waiting
Good on you...like others I came here via the mention on other sites (Gamers Nexus in my case)....proper honest reviews are what we all want and sod the big PR departments...have subbed and hope it backfires on MSI and any others with the same tactics .....you should try having less than 400 subs like me then you don't get this hassle :)
I’m coming from Gamers Nexus and I just subscribed to you. Independent media should be praised above everything else in tech reviews. We are by your side. Fuck MSI, I’m never buying anything from them again.
Thanks for standing your ground. Your are a trusted channel Forsure
Subbed from seeing HUB vid. Keep it real TechteamGB.
Appreciate you honesty one more subscriber :)
Came here because of the video by Gamers Nexus exposing MSI's bad habits. Stayed and subscribed because of the quality content :)
Gained a new sub because of your integrity!
Just subscribing after having heard the story. Do not change anything.
subbed for telling it like it really is and not bending to corporate pressure.
I think you should continue reviewing them and give some comments on their attitude whenever you do.
Thank you for convincing me to NEVER buy MSI. Also, great video. This is the kind of honest and credible review we deserve.
Nah just dont by the cheap made ones
bit like most of there x570 motherboards overheating apart from the tomahawk
@@oukn6293 fr tho I got a Msi gs66 stealth 2070 rtx with 240 hz screen and this laptop been running pretty damn good. Like u said if want a good Msi product these cheaper ones aint gonna do it for anyone imo
@@Kamui916 yea , just like how my MSI desktop still holding up after 2+ years
Very believable and honest review of this product. I own a high end MSI laptop and it's not much better. It's spec'd better but has so many issues that I will NEVER EVER buy anything MSI again. After 3-4 products now in many different areas, there just not to be recommended in their current state. Again like you it's my OPINION ! Adding on top or them becoming cheaper "feeling and or using wise unpleasent" with seemingly there now entire product line, this company needs a complete reboot. The fact that they asked to tone down your very opinion of said product, means only that their very aware of their very own quality issues. Otherwise this review would've been meaningless...
Came here because at steve from gamer's nexus' recommendation. good job, gained a sub!
Great overview, thank you.
Your video hit my twitter feed. Keep up the HONEST reviews. Honesty goes a long way.
not in the market for a laptop but not interested in buying from manufacturers that do this sort of thing either. Ever. keep up the good work. have a sub.
came for drama, stayed for a very nice review ^^
Same got you a sub from GN here! Never buying MSI again until they publicly come out take their mea culpa and vow to change and actually do so.