The Planets Are Weirdly In Sync
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Orbital Resonance
Incredibly, three of the four largest moons of Jupiter (Ganymede, Europa and Io) have orbital periods that are whole number ratios with each other (1:2:4). The big gap in Saturn's rings is caused by a moon much further out that has an orbital period double that of the gap! We've even found exoplanet systems with these patterns. They're all the result of orbital resonance. This video explains how that mechanism works.
CORRECTION: In the video I say that Ganymede, Europa and Io are the largest moons are jupiter. Actually here are the 4 largest moons from largest to smallest:
Ganymede
Callisto
Io
Europa
Here's my video on resonance:
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Here's my video about bad maths:
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This is Jay Foreman's channel:
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This is the Veritasium video mentioned at the start:
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Here's the paper I found that explains orbital resonance:
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/pd...
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I say "in other words" about 300 times in this video. But what's the alternative?!
CORRECTION: In the video I say that Ganymede, Europa and Io are the largest moons are jupiter. Actually here are the 4 largest moons from largest to smallest:
Ganymede
Callisto
Io
Europa
I just can't think...
You can use "that also means" or "Or"
"id est"
"we can put it like this...."
"simply put..", etc
"that is to say" ;)
Man, we looked at explaining the orbital resonance but thought "nah, that would take a whole other video" and here it is! Kudos to you - I get it now!
An unplanned collab? With my favorite channels?
OMG You're on right now! Do you like rockets and student projects?
That'd have been a good collaboration between you two. And an intro from VSauce..
Y?
Hello Duke of Venezuela!
Having all the planets of a solar system line up is the celestial equivalent of the DVD logo hitting the corner of the screen
get this man a pin
This pin was well deserved
1 out of 11780?
What happens during that time
@@njts6862 it marks the end of each bʼakʼtun
Turning the resonances in nature into musical notes an beats was one of the coolest things I’ve learned in a long time. Great video!
was a decent beat
Don't you love how so many people look at the universe with awe and yet refuse to acknowledge the Creator of such things?
@@TheSpacePlaceYT lmfao??
@@luckas221a The more you talk the more you will prove my point. Watch and learn.
That’s why the motion of the stars used to be called “the music of the spheres”
I realized this in High School when we had to program a realistic to-scale solar system with their correct orbits and masses and everything. It actually wasn't that hard, just time consuming to enter in all the numbers exactly. I noticed all the planets and their moons had a resonance to their orbits and revolutions, and it made me feel like I was living on a tiny gear inside of a giant clock. Sounds lame and underwhelming now but back then it was incredibly grounding and insightful to me for whatever reason.
music trancends
That's not lame or underwhelming. It has a bit of beauty to it.
Meanwhile, in my high school programming class, the final project was implementing a nested for loop! Your class sounds amazing.
I had programmed a gravity simulation during high school to invoke the results itself, and I was amazed to see proof that the masses, the gravitational constant, and orbit periods all worked. It's quite something to know that the numbers really do mean something. I've been coding a new version and I'll upload soon. In your case, seeing rotation periods in sync must have been incredible. I wouldn't have known such things at the time. I would have also been blown away.
When you put your heart into your projects, it's amazing what you can learn.
It's frustrating when you see people complaining about having learned nothing at school and blaming it on the system when they themselves have not actually put in any effort.
That was Newton's view of the universe but we know that it isn't actually how the universe works
There's literally The Rock in the gap of Saturn rings. Just brilliant visualisation.
Not sure if that visualization would EVEN be possible without it.
Good to see POTUS47 supporting science
I love the comedy
CAN YA SMELLL..... WHAT THE ROCK.... IS RESONATIN'???
My mind was blown several times during the duration of this video, but when you casually dropped the fact that Beardyman and Jay Foreman are brothers, I had to go for a short walk to recover.
Ah, yes, the Man brothers. Beardy Man and Jayfore Man.
Right??
@@L4wr3nc3810 But did you notice them being labeled back to front... #ClassicGag
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Turning planets orbits to frequencies to turn them to tones to turn them to music is EXACTLY what I did a few years ago for my own curiosity and to find by « hear » patterns that wouldn’t appear otherwise. I am glad you did a video about it.
I still think that it would be beautiful to release that as some open source music. Planets do make music, actually.
Holst
Those are lights on the firmament and they have frequencies.
@@mickeywicked478 😂😂😂😂
@@mickeywicked478Stop with the nonsense. Or focus your camera please.
@@Caram0nGreat music. But it’s just a title.
When you played the notes on the piano at the end it would have made the old pythagoreans happy who believed in the music of the spheres. It reminded me of that antique concept
It isn't antique, it is ancient, and fundamental. Everyone who discounts resonances' reAL effect on their lives love to forget that a blueberry's resonance is what makes a Blueberry, blue... so is resonant effect woo? Or is it integral to being? Hippies and physicists BOTH have a point.
look up project jdm
Hello, where do you think the musical scale came from?
Kepler's "Harmonices Mundi" is of note here, as, unlike the Pythagorean tuning, it does not attempt to force the "universal music" into a system purely expressed in iterated 3:2 intervals, but rather allows for harmonies as complex as 19:18, and generally represents a shift away from *Pythagorean* tuning, into extended just-intonation.
didn't expect to hear the planets do a beat drop when I woke up today
Drop a beat, you mean? Hehe
Beardyman!
i need a full song lol
Celestial beat
@@konanhuet623 Beardyman! :D
those last minutes prior to the sponsorship part where kinda magical. i'm talking about the octave part.
Did anyone else also hear the Tedx tune in the last one with the planets
@@Duemaar5186 now i get why i was thinking "hey..... I've heard this somewhere" then proceeded to replay that 10 times
Yes agreed
Just brilliant. Literally sitting on my couch clapping. Chords for star and planetary systems... He outdid himself here.
Why not? This was a responses to a video with metronomes.
You just explained the so called Cosmic Octave. Planetary orbital frequencies translated by the octave into the audible range.
I am producing music based on this for more than 20 years and I programmed my own calculator to convert orbital periods in musical tuning data.
I saw the stickers on your piano keys and I recognized, that the colours are not in relation to the actual tonal frequencies.
If you octave a tonal frequency into the visible spectrum, you get a Green for C, Blue-Green for C#, D is Blue, D# is Blue-Violet, E is Violet, F is Red-Violet and F# is actually at the beginning of the visual spectrum by being Red, G is Red-Orange, G# is Orange, A is Orange-Yellow, A# Yellow and the final key B is Yellow-Green.
If you translate the orbital time into seconds and apply the formula f=1/sec you get the orbital frequency. Then apply the octave (double the frequency) until you get a tone in the middle range of audible frequencies. The earth year is a C# at 136.1 Hz, Blue-Green, the Master -Tuning is then 432.1 Hz and the octave analog tempo is 63.8 BPM.
My calculator can also calculate backwards and I can type in any wavelength of light and convert it into such musical tuning data.
If you check my account you will find a recent video with my live act CONSTELLATION. We performed at the Ibiza Light Festival in October 2022, where we performed a Venus concert and a Saturn concert. The gongs I am playing are also tuned to these orbital frequencies. They are so called symphonic planet gongs. The Swiss mathematician Hans Cousto discovered the cosmic octave and Jens Zygar had the idea to tune gongs to these frequencies, because symphonic gongs are one of the best ways to experience such sonic vibrations, because of their wide frequency range and especially below the audible range, so you can feel the beat.
Anyway, I am happy I discovered your video today and it goes in my archive of bookmarks, because it is a nice way of explaining how to translate orbital frequencies into sound.
@DrBecky I just discovered yesterday. Nice how the RUclips algrorhythm works. Also a form of resonance. :)
As far as I know there are some harmonies but there are also some dischords in the planets PLease confirm!
Genius
I checked in your account finding nothing, but YT search found this video thats shows what you are talking! Amazing ruclips.net/video/E3sjvdE1iMk/видео.html
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This is the best comment I've ever read!
I've always found it interesting that when something is drawn the same scale of a probe on Saturn's rings, the rings looked curved. Surely the rings material would look sparse and as straight as any road you've ever been on. It would be a straight line heading off into the distance with minimal chance of seeing any curve as you're not high enough off the rings and they're only 10m thick. Even at a tall height, it'd look more like a StarWars starting text written in gibberish heading directly away from you.
After 1200km (thickest ring) in front of you, it'd curve inward about 1 degree. Just above the ring surface, it'd probably just look like a thin line dividing your view of the universe in half that maybe gets thicker, in front and behind.
Doubt it would appear to get thicker ahead and behind, as with those extreme distances, everything would be converging to a point from your perspective long before you could perceive the curvature.
@@Nevir202 If I was there I would stir the rocks around a bit and cause a disturbance in the rings. Like kicking leaves in autumn! Run through them and make a mess!
@@andyharpist2938 lol
It would be seen from earth and would be called the 'Nevir Discontinuity' and perplex astronomers for decades.
in the middle of them, they are so incredibly wide youd see the material in all directions, and so sparse that (im guessing) youd see no other individual rock if you were sitting on one
You science youtubers really are on a first name basis with every other science youtubers. It's cross overs all the way down.
I mean, it's a small club and there was once a time when they could all meet.
I mean it's probably all "Everybody knows Brady"
It's a function of orbital resonance, colabs are inevitable.
They are coupled by their genre of youtube videos as well as their popularity.
The youtube multi-body problem clears each science youtuber channel's orbit and accretes material within their orbital ring until all the science youtubers are in resonance.
I know it gets said a lot, but you have a gift in explaining this phenomenon in a way that is easy to digest, and the graphics help a lot as well. Thank you! I had no idea that orbital resonance was a thing until today!
Thank you!
@@SteveMould no sir, thank you!!
@@SteveMould specifically, thank you for 7:45
Yeah i always hearing the moonnis drifting away but there is no detail explanation why it happens. Then this video come up and with the knowledge from verisatium it blows my mind and wondering how many thing affected bybthis phenomenon
@@SteveMould :)
Wow, you wrap it all up so nicely right before you give a big sigh! Wonderful. And the musical interpretation of the Trappist-1 and TOI-178 orbits was beautiful! Awsome video.
When I was at University in 1970s studying music, in medieval music history we studied the foundations of the first European Universities in Oxford, Bologna and Paris, where the learned men studied the Quadrivium, a combination of mathematics, astronomy, geometry and music. Part of their belief involved "The Harmony of the Spheres", a hypothesis that suggested music maths and astronomy were all connected by the divine relationships of the movements of the planets that corresponded to the resonance of a harmonic series. What you are now telling us is that in other star systems they would have been right!
Also known as the "Music of the Spheres". I love it.
I appreciate that you timed the animation to match your speech at 6:48. Your efforts did not go unnoticed :) haha
yeah i noticed that too! i love that kind of attention to detail
Subtle beauty
I don't get what the big deal is? The animation being a visual for what he explains. If it wasn't timed it wouldn't make sense. And it's not a big deal that it's timed, he's just played the animation in between shots of him talking.
@@bradcarter606 you can just let someone say something nice to someone else without butting in, Brad.
Can you explain please
18:36 - Beatbox of the Spheres
20:30 - Music of the Spheres
20:56 - In the words of Adam Neely, that's one spicy chord
@@bro4539 I'm sure there's an add11 in there too!
Adam Neely 👌
For extra spice and girth, pronounce chord with the "ch" as in chiao, or chode.
@@mrkrunch4340 nah lol it's an FΔ9 without the 3rd. very pretty voicing!
fmaj9
that restoring mechanism to the 2-1 resonance frequency is such a lightbulb moment. I hear about orbits having the resonance but was never explained why it comes to that.
Oh man, you playing those notes on the piano threw me right into memories of playing outer wilds.
Both showing the beauty of a solar system in their own unique way
Did you switch Jay’s and Beardyman’s names on purpose? Because, frankly, when I saw the beatboxing head, I thought “Is that Jay Foreman?”. Actually, that was when you showed it the second time; the first time, I was like “Steve’s real good at making those sound effects”.
shame, but the "h" is silent
My thoughts exactly!
I'm honestly shocked I "recognized" Jay in those tiny pictures with my terrible facial memory. Then it turned out to be his brother.
I wanna know too! Was it by accident or on purpose?
Maybe it was a nod to the decades-old tradition of switching name captions on photos, which can be found regularly in "Private Eye"...
My mental process was all over the place around that bit.
The main take-away from this video - Beardy Man and Jay Foreman are brothers. Who knew? Not me ;-)
Me either! Surprised Jay has never used his brothers talents on his videos, though maybe he has and I've never noticed.
My head exploded at that revelation
When I saw beardyman I first thought it was Jay. My mind was blown.
but their names are flipped which is hilarious
@@JanStrojil I was very excited to see that Jay was beatboxing... Then very dissapointed to hear that it wasn't Jay. Now I am truly mindblown at this fact Jay has hidden from the world for so long
This effect reminds me of those metronomes starting out of synch and finishing all in sync.
There is always a fotce ether helping the one falling behind or slowing down the first one making them go into synch - a point where that power of helping and halting cancels out.
You've done some amazing work on this channel, but I have to say this one really brought back a childlike sense of wonder about the reality we inhabit. Thank you ✌️😊
This was glorious. Well done. And very well explained.
🤩
Agreed
Wasn't it? If I tried to relay the same information in a video, it would end up being a 6 part, 22 hour long series ending with me in a unlit room rambling feverishly about rings and such.
oh and btw, big fan here. cant wait to see what you do with the new lab. congrats and cheers
it's bullshit. venus for example is very obviously and famously in resonance with earth.
and those freaking right angle triangles aren't in resonance with anything.
false advocates.. there to keep the fellaheen stupid.
Hey, it's The Thought Emporium.
I've been following your work for some time now.
I'm curious if you might be interested in having a conversation about an absurdly ambitious idea called The Hedonistic Imperative or a conversation about biosecurity.
Big fan.
Please be careful.
Please do a whole video just about the audiofication of Data! The Last part of this video was just magical! 🤯
I love how you shared this with an auditory example at the end. Great video!
Man I wish I had a guy like him to teach me when I was in college.
Or k-12.
You did.
"let me just complete the circle here"
-*Proceeds to compete 6pi radians of circleage, and then links a tangent to jay bloody foreman*
3 tau
as a musician i really appreciate you explained it so well with the music theory, you just proved rocket science and music theory ain’t as hard as people think, you just need a fine and fun teacher😂
As a music education graduate who excelled at music theory, I can appreciate where you're coming from, but 1. Music theory is not really comparable to rocket science, it's much less complicated, to the point that it's weird to see them used in the same sentence, and 2. This ain't music theory, this is just basic harmonics. It's also not rocket science lol. Sorry to kill your buzz.
@@joshyoung1440 what are you, a brain scientist? Or a rocket surgeon? ;-)
@@AlDunbar a music theorist, I thought I said that lol. But I dabble in rocket surgery ;)
@@joshyoung1440 LOL
As a music graduate myself, I think you are full of shit. Read the Guide Illustre De La Musique from Ulrich Michel. If you never read that book, you dont know shit about the relationship of planets and music.
This is among the greatest RUclips videos I’ve ever seen with 15 years on this site.
Steve has such great content on this channel. Had no idea I needed to learn about resonance this way.
Me, a music theorist of just intonation: "The universe is ratios you say? My friend Pythagoras is all into that, but Aristoxenus ain't so sure."
A music theorist of just intonation you say? Can I ask a question? When a person sings a capella, do they naturally use just intonation? Is it the same for a capella choirs?
@@jamesrockybullin5250 It is a surprisingly complicated question! It seems like a capella choirs are pretty flexible with their intonation, moving between so-called "shift" and "drift" solutions. Basically choosing which intervals to narrow or widen dependant on context.
The default isn't to just do just-intonation all the time, because that sacrifices octaves in some cases, where a progression might produce a slight discrepancy called a comma. These progressions are known as 'comma pumps'. Instead, a capella choirs make many small adjustments for structural reasons, and then sometimes use more pure tunings for expressive affect.
For example, when a choir hits an open fifth at the very end of a work, they would often sing it pretty much justly, but that same fifth might need to be slightly narrow in the middle of a progression. I hope that explains it well enough!
@@Symbioticism Awesome response. Having been both a choir nerd (mostly doing a cappella) and being interested in music theory, I very much enjoyed the thoughts.
that little joke with "the rock" had me laughing much longer than it probably should've
Why should you have laughed only for a specific maximum amount of time? Who dictates how long you are supposed to laugh?
@@epajarjestys9981 You must be fun to hang out with
@@mchammer5026 Not sure about that, but I probably do have more fun than you. I stop laughing when I'm done laughing, without any thought about how much laughter may be permissible.
This video is fantastic in explaining orbital resonances clearly to physics students! I’m gonna be using this possibly as a clip to show at our next stargazing event here at my college when we invite a speaker from SJSU to talk about the physics of music of horns. Harmonics. All we need is a short and easy lecture on Kepler’s “music of the spheres” and his Third Law to complete the bridge into astronomy.
Thank you for this!
That was brilliant. Absolutely loved the translation into sound as well. I'm sure that thought's occurred to me in the past but it must have gone out my head 😁
I'm so glad you explained who Beardyman was! I was like "that guy looks so much like Jay Forman but he's not..." 😅
Apparently he looks so much alike that the editor couldn't tell them apart, because he swapped the names.
Now I understand the formation of Mimas large crater, Herschel.
No one repeatedly kicks The Rock and goes w/o consequences...
HOLY CARP. The orbital resonance bits I recall from university astronomy but I’ve never seen or heard these relationships relayed as MUSIC. This was fantastic. And informative. Thank you.
19:23
At this point, I'm convinced all English people know each other.
"The three largest moons of Jupiter"
*Sad Callisto noises*
Solid video dude loving your content.
Just a little audio tip (from a sound engineer). A bit of fiddling with a noise gate and eq on your microphone will get rid of the loud breathy noises between statements, making for much clearer, crisper sounding vocal recordings.
The audio analysis at the end was phenomenal. Thank you!
I love to listen to Dr. Becky explaining anything. She's got a great sense of humor too.
Oh, who is she?
@@aresorum Astrophysicist Dr. Rebecca Smethurst of Oxford University. She has a popular channel here on YT under the name "Dr. Becky." She explains and discusses astronomy topics on a regular basis.
@@sschmidtevalue
Thank you!!!
Spongebob memes!!!
That was a brilliant explanation of a phenomenon I have always struggled to understand. Your skills in understanding and being able to explain difficult topics are unmatched! Well done!
You & most scientists.
@@halweilbrenner9926 Not most, nope. "Some" at best
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Really, really amazing video. The one thing I wish you did is a different way to do the last two things - instead of switching to the piano, you could have kept the "beatbox" part speeding up. You already had it speeding up - if you continued long enough you would have illustrated with sound the fact you described in words - that rhythm becomes pitch, which isn't intuitive for all folks, and is a really, really cool thing to hear.
Ok the music analogy was gold. I love music and the fact you applied that to orbital resonance made my heart skip a beat.
My dude, finding out that beardyman and Jay foreman are brothers was more mind-blowing than the rest of the video
Right?! I'm still shocked I never knew. And he dropped it so casually. 😅
I always thought they are twins
But beardyman is 2 years older
They look very much alike and I bet their mum is equally proud of both :)
I still can't believe it!
Yeah so much!
I love how we went from talking about Jupiter's moons to perfect fifths in music. In our Universe, everything is connected.
I was only waiting for Adam Neely coming to name all those chords.
Perfect fifths, perfect video.
I've always found the connections between art & math to be some of the most profound. It makes you see how things relate to one another in an entirely different light.
Yea its connected because it was all designed by the same person
@@selitoskuldakis2209 yep, Weird Al Yankovic
Turning the orbits into notes brought up a childhood memory for me!
I used to have a stereo, back when I was around 10-12 or so. I had a disk with it that had music for each planet of our solar system.
After a bit of internet digging, I found it:
Gustav Holst - The Planets
It’s a suite comprised of 7 movements. Composed all the way back in 1914-17.
Fun fact! I have only ever gotten to use a telescope once in my life. I viewed Jupiter through it, and it just so happened that at the time, the moons were almost perfectly lined up. So this is why. Neato.
I was really hoping you'd then play the chord that most closely corresponds to our solar system and it would sound horribly discordant
The volume of each note should correlate to its relative mass among its neighbors. Prepare for a strong note from the center of the keyboard.
So I just did the math on this--it turns out that the frequency for Mercury is 1032x the one for Pluto, which is very close to 10 octaves higher (1024x the frequency). In other words, if you set Pluto as 20Hz (roughly the lower limit of human hearing), Mercury would be 20643Hz (which is slightly above the upper limit of human hearing).
That said, if you could actually hear both ends of the chord these are the notes:
Pluto~E0=20.6Hz
Neptune~B0=30.87Hz (technically it should be 31.08, but 30.87 is the closest note)
Uranus~B1=61.74Hz (technically 60.96)
Saturn~F3=174.61 (173.83)
Jupiter~A4=440 (431.78)
Mars~F7=2793.83 (2723.91)
Earth~D#8=4978.03 or E8=5274.04 (5120.95, roughly halfway between, so you could call it E half-flat)
Venus~C9=8372.02 (8324.34)
Mercury~E10=21096.16 (21262.7)
If you take the notes from the parentheses, those would be the correct actual values. If we take the closest notes to those values, that's E0, B0, B1, F3, A4, F7, E8, C9, E10. I chose E8 there instead of Eb8/D#8 because of the E's and B's present. In music theory terms, you could call this an E b9 11 b13 chord or Fmaj7(11). If you choose Eb8 for Earth instead, you get E7 b9 11 b13, or Fmaj-min7 #11/E. Neither of the E root chords have a proper third, thus why I didn't mark major or minor. Also, music theory is a super imperfect science when you're talking about particularly unusual chords, so I could be way off on naming them.
TL;DR: Yeah very dissonant, sounds like Stravinsky's Rite of Spring.
@@drakedbz I don't have perfect pitch or anything, so I'm unable to play this in my head, but reading down the list of notes and seeing a couple of B's and a couple of F's I was already delighted by how discordant it must sound. 😂
@@drakedbz wow
The last 5 minutes of this video have me looking behind your couch for Adam Neely.
who wouldve known trappist 1 is fmaj9
This was sooooo incredible to watch, so well done. Loved this
Wow! That musical tie in there at the end was completely from out left field.
As a musician and also a live music and recording engineer, that clicked pretty loudly and clearly.
3:45 The Rock 😁
The parallel between orbital periods, rhythms and tones is amazing. I'm impressed.
Your graphics really helped make sense of this phenomenon! Thanks.
Ive enjoyed lots of your vids. But really liked this one. Ever fealt like youre in the club.... Good work x
Didn't that Veritasium video come out only a few days ago?
And you've already discovered a new concept, understood it, and made a video explaining it...?
.....
I feel super dumb.
I wish! I've been working on this one for ages. Changed the intro when Veritasium uploaded his. If you look closely you'll notice my beard is longer in the beginning!
@@SteveMould yes, I' d noticed your beard gers shorter suddenly!
🙂
@@SteveMould I dunno, I still feel _pretty_ dumb...
@@SteveMould So in a way you and Veritasium are drifting into resonance, since his video came out first, causing you to slow down slightly to change the intro to yours.
Next time around you'll be closer to releasing videos simultaneously.
@@scudlee - Ah yes, you see the pattern. BTW, there is another outstanding channel actually titled “See The Pattern” which is equally provocative. 😎
Can't believe I'm seeing Beardyman in this! Been a fan of his for over a decade. He made me feel like it was cool to always try and mimic sounds like I've done since I was little.
i guess police academy was a loong time ago
@@HeterosexuaI i thought you were asking about my EVP music.. yeah that dude was on the tv all over
(check some videos for the mills brothers from the 1930s, dudes imitating trumpets.. "nagasaki" is a good one)
@@HeterosexuaI Yes, Michael Winslow is a living sound effect machine. You should look up some of his other work outside of Police Academy.
I searched the comments to also say I thought I recognized him in the thumbnail. Science view and beardyman? Guaranteed click from me
I thought that was him int he thumbnail!! I haven't reached that point in the video yet!
i loved the planet beat boxing and the piano being matched to the planets resonance tones
Wont lie. this was the easiest explanation of orbital resonance to follow that ive ever heard. Amazing! would love to see a collab between you and Nick Lucid fro The science asylum. Your practical demonstrations and his very concise and fun way of explaining stuff could come together to make an amzing video!!!!
I absolutely love these videos where you take something that has repeatedly been explained badly and do it properly. It's so satisfying finally hearing and understanding an explanation that actually makes sense!
What I learned: If we want to keep the moon, we need to create another, much larger moon in a 1:2 orbital ratio to the existing moon. Better get on that now I guess...
#SaveTheMoon!
i guess the main problem is that our Moon is kinda unique masswise compared to our planet, so unless we wanna to yoink some Ganymede or Callisto (a little less mass) from Jupiter and use i don't even know how much thrust to move it to our planet, from that point, maybe just correcting Moon orbit with periodical propolsion would be cheaper and more feasable :) By the way, the tide effect on inner satelite will be still in place, so by the time goes by, the inner satelite will increase it's orbit aswell, since even period of twice the existing Moon is still slower than one Earth revolution. And as i assuming, that will lead to some increase speed in outer satelite (Moon) and so the radius of it's orbit. So i guess there is no eternal solution to this problem, rather than just to put the Moon into geocentric orbit and we will have 2 constant ocean tide bulges at the same place forever )
@@Mr_Bartt the tidal bulge of the earth looks like is basically formed by water. Get rid of the oceans so we can keep the moon. 😁😉
@@pansepot1490 #KeeptheMoon. If to be more precise, the Moon is actually stealing our momentum !
@@Mr_Bartt this is true.. Energy can neither be created or destroyed, so the 'day' on earth is increasing ever so slightly with each orbit of the moon, as angular momentum (rotational energy) is exchanged between the 2..
At some point, our sidereal day will actually be precisely 24 hours long, instead of 23:56..
That'll throw all the clocks out.. ;) (assuming of course humans are still around on this rock, since that's hundreds of millions of years from now)..
I think the thing you missed with the orbital resonance is that the system wants to find stability. 2 objects have to find resonance or one is ejected. Over time i would bet most systems naturally circularise as the centre of mass is nailed in.
The thing that i find weird is some of these stars on the outer edges of galaxies would have only ever orbited their host galaxy a few times, a few in galactic terms anyway
This is hands down the best video and one of my favorites by Steve, I have watched this thrice in entirety.
This was transcendent. Nobel prize for explaining difficult science!
Wow. It must've taken so much research and work to turn such a complicated topic into something so digestible. Great Video.
21:11 *Tenet theme plays*
honestly this concept feels as complicated to understand as Tenet, but the video explanation made it sound so easy
Excellent, I absolutely loved this vid. Putting it to music was brilliant. (Has anyone tried to do similar modeling with solar system, incase an unexpected pattern emerges? Where you suggesting it had no pattern?). How about the resonant frequencies of atoms and molecules?
Math puzzle: When can 1+1=3? When can 1+1+1=5 (or more, etc?); overtones!
Lets examine the effects of different wave shapes on overtones and undertones and show how music has much more than is obvious. (and why some stereos sound much better than others)/
So glad to have discovered you. Will be perusing your other vids as I can find time. Appreciate you, keep it up.
That musical/acoustic representation of orbital frequencies is just mesmerizing. You even disclaimed on equal/just intonation. Kudos!
Just slightly undercut by an out of tune piano x).
Every piano is slightly out of tune...
@@kevinbissinger Just because piano tuners don't tune precisely to 12-TET across all 88 keys doesn't mean the piano is out of tune. In fact, it is quite the opposite. A well-tuned piano follows the Railsback Curve precisely because tuning to 12-TET would sound out of tune due to string inharmonicity. To say that every piano is slightly out of tune implies that tuners aren't able to eliminate beating between octaves which just isn't the case.
@@billclinton6040 I think he might have been talking about how 12-TET is inherently out of tune compared to just intonation
@@Arcangel0723 correct
@@billclinton6040 Lol you both got it and missed it in the same comment.
i've recently done a project of sofya kovalevskaya and she was one of the pioneers of the dynamics of saturn's rings, she's great!
She's the one, who went to the university in Germany dressed as a man?
@@arvedui89 Huh, I've never heard of that. She was refused auditing in Berlin, but accepted in Heidelberg.
This video is absolutely fascinating. Really thorough and well explained
This was fantastic. Thanks so much for doing this. I always thought that it was coincidental that it seemed like, for instance, that Mercury's year was 1/4 that of Earth's. Having the reason for it explained was terrific, and I'll be giving this to my Earth Science students. Without going into the math, is this also the reason that Bode's Law works?
If it's close but not quite it doesn't count, sadly. None of the eight planets in the solar system are in orbital resonance.
@@hydrocharis1 wouldn't each planet exert tidal forces on the sun, drifting outward until they found equilibrilium?
@@KristopherNoronha This is indeed something that can happen. The opposite happens as well however definitely for the 'real' planets, where disturbances knock planets out of their resonance: those close matches could have been in resonance in the past. It's very much an evolving situation.
This is the type of content that keeps me refreshing RUclips 96 times a day!
I feel like there'scnumber theory in that 96 but I don't know what that is, help me out pls
That sounds like every 10mins
I love it when two different fields of science come together to explain reality. Astrophysics and beatboxing.
Steve, I just found your channel and I'm in love!
Brilliantly explained and animated. I like that you played musical versions of the resonances.
You even said "Saturn" the way Dr. Becky says it!
Surely if the whole solar system was turned into music, including Pluto(!) the interval between Mercury (fastest and highest) and Pluto would be too many octaves apart. Maybe from Mercury to Jupiter or Saturn would work or from Jupiter outwards. An out of tune piano actually gives a more accurate sense of it as they are not all perfect intervals but some slightly out, which can be adjusted in audio editing by changing speed/pitch of a tone.
I found if you take the square (or cube) root of the orbital periods it halves (or divides by 3) the intervals , which gets a similar effect but fits them onto the piano more easily. It could still sound sort-of harmonic.
I was wondering if a many-moon system might even out or cancel out the tidal effects on the planet from all the moons so that would be another reason they would not tend to drift away. However, if they all line up when they are 'meeting' it may cause bigger tides at that time when they have all had their respective numbers of months to bring it around again.
It's curious also about the day-year resonance on Mercury instead of it being tidally locked.
Are there also galactic resonance effects or is it too weak to have an effect over scales of tens of thousands of light years? I suppose it could work over timescales of millions of years. I guess it would keep changing as the central black hole is growing more massive and pulling things towards it gradually over time. Maybe that is what makes spirals instead of rings.
PS I just heard someone else mention the name Steve Mould on a video. I think it was Matt Parker. I had forgotten who Steve Mould was, but now I recognise the face. I have seen him on a few other videos. It seems all these science/maths RUclipsrs all know each other, unsurprisingly. When they collaborate it is double the excitement for fans of both (or all) of them.
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this is the most incredible video to hit youtube since tom scott's explosions series. Modelling orbital frequencies with piano chords!! you are a madman!
Thank you. I've know about orbital resonance for thirty years but never really understood how it works. Now I do. That was very interesting and just the right side of needing me to think without being incomprehensible.
12.48 The tidal bulge opposite the Moon is easy to understand. Just like any two objects spinning around each other, the Earth and Moon rotate around the center of gravity (CG) also called the center of mass (CM) of the system. It's like balancing an object, the balance point is at the CG, or CM.
If you hold a heavy object at arms-length and spin you will have to lean back so you are moving in a circle around the CG or CM of your body and the object. The Earth and Moon are rotating around a point 4,671 Km from the center of the Earth. What happens when a body rotates around a point? Just like a passenger in a car rounding a curve where bodies are thrown outward by a fictitious force called centrifugal force, water which is a fluid and flows, bulges on the opposite side from the Moon.
i’ve been searching for an answer like this for years, thx mate
@@joaojosevaldo It's easy to understand the high tide that faces the Moon, but that second bulge always creates confusion.
Love this! Is there a particular source that's good for investigating the ratios of more planetary systems? I feel a new music project coming on :D
Hey that looks like Jay Foreman. Hmm, no I don't think it is. Oh it's beardyman... WAIT A SECOND!
This is a great presentation and explanation! Thank you! The animation is great, and the sped up to beat, then audio frequencies demonstration is cool. And thank you for the good sound quality and no annoying music or sound effects! - I find that stuff distracting from what is being said. Bravo, and cool to see Becky, too!
This is the single greatest video I have ever watched on RUclips. It has been a long time since my mind has been blown
Stay grounded and remember what is natural and what is man made. Humans invented counting in base ten, and humans divided the octave into twelve. Also the planets don't travel round the sun in perfect circles in perfect time or on exactly the same plane. The sun is screaming through space with us and the planets chasing it in spirals. The cute little graphic is an approximation of reality. It's no less amazing.
I'm imagining a space exploration game where every star system you visit has a special chord associated with it as a little easter egg nod to the planets' orbital resonance.
The amount of subjects you managed to weave into 1 video was just beautiful.
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Welcome to Math Metal
The way that you translated information into frequency is something that I hadn't ever considered before but makes so much sense. It made me immediately think of the idea commonly credited to Tesla - "if you wish to understand the universe, think of energy, frequency and vibration."
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Incredible video, you are very good at explaining everything!
This is mind-blowing. We've been studying equilibrium in my chemistry class, and the extent of similarity between these concepts, down to the restoring mechanism and Le Chatelier's Principle, is incredible
19:32 This video has some good trolls in it, but the name switch is so obviously on purpose. :-D I like it! You can feel the influence of the two brothers...
yep, was looking for this comment, haha! ;)
My top favorite video of the YT I'm getting back to from time to time. The ending is just so beautiful. 😎
This was one of the best videos I have seen so far about these "phenomena" and as a friend of electronic music it makes sense to me beyond the math behind orbital mechanics 👍🎶🎶🎶💫
Really cool realization of the sonification of solar resonance! Loved the animation right at the end where you removed the tones as you removed the image of the moon. Great content!
Can we get a 1 hour video of just the beat boxing planets please? it's strangely mesmerizing.
omg just watched ur video earlier on quartz watches & was thinking u could describe the flip flop chain info in a musical way so u could see (hear) the pattern so I was THRILLED when u did it with orbital resonance!! (and the literal flip flop chain was so much better)
1:12 but……. It’s not exact? I guess it’s close enough?